June 20, 2020 - Rubin Report - Dave Rubin
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| We now need to let these young people know that they have been duped. | ||
| You know, we have kind of let our guard down. | ||
| And just to kind of segue from that, what we let our guard down is probably the most important place we can think about is our educational system. | ||
| As we've been kind of moving on and having our big dreams and being the eternal optimist that we are as a country, building our future, our kids. | ||
| And vacation, we have not understood that evil's been at our doorstep every single step of the way. | ||
| They have gotten into our educational system for decades, and they have eaten away like little termites on the most important thing that we can have to keep our future. | ||
| A knowledge of our past, what we've done together, and most importantly, what makes our country work, the free market. | ||
| We have kids coming out of college hating our country because of the | ||
| of our Marxist laboratories we've been putting together for the last few decades. | ||
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I'm Dave Rubin and this is the Rubin Report. | |
| Reminder everybody to subscribe to our YouTube channel and click that pesky notification bell so that you're alerted when our new videos drop. | ||
| And joining me today is a former NFL star and Super Bowl champion now running for Congress in Utah's 4th District. | ||
| Burgess Owens, welcome to The Rubin Report. | ||
| Dave, thanks so much. | ||
| Looking forward to our chat for sure. | ||
| I'm glad to have you, man, because you are blowing up every time I turn on television now. | ||
| I just did the Greg Gutfeld show with you a couple days ago, but every time I see somebody talking on Twitter, a video of somebody doing something, you seem to be right in the middle of things. | ||
| You're enjoying this little... | ||
| I really am. | ||
| I really am because we're having a conversation that's been long overdue, Dave. | ||
| We've been talking hypothetically what could happen with socialism and Marxism. | ||
| It's a conversation you can have for years and really not get through. | ||
| We have an opportunity right now to let people know this is the way it looks. | ||
| When you give left power. | ||
| They have no clue what to do with it other than to abuse it. | ||
| So, I think this is... Obviously, it's tough times, but what I've come to understand about America, and I know my history, when we go through the toughest of times, as long as we know what the endgame is, what it takes to win, We come together, we put aside our differences for a little bit of time, and we go out there and make things happen. | ||
| So I see this as a great opportunity to talk with our Democratic fans who love our country, to our Black business owners for sure. | ||
| They definitely get it. | ||
| And then those who have in the past not been really engaged, we are literally fighting for the heart and soul of our nation. | ||
| And those guys on the other side are totally, they're going nuts because they realize how close they are to losing it all. | ||
| So they are all hands on board, and just know that this is going to be probably the most Important few months we have coming up in front of us now. | ||
| We just have to make sure we take advantage of it. | ||
| And as Al Davis used to say in old days, just win, baby. | ||
| We need to get that done. | ||
| Just win, baby. | ||
| So that's actually partly why I wanted to have you on, because of your history as an athlete, as an NFL player, and even the way you answered that question, there's always a certain rhythm, which I've always loved, the way so many athletes speak about things, and obviously you have some of that, and I think we sort of need a little bit more of that right now. | ||
| People who know how to win, not win at all costs, But win within a certain framework of rules and respect for each other and respect for the country, and I really sense that out of you. | ||
| And I'll tell you what I'm excited about. | ||
| I've been hearing from a lot of my peers, college peers and NFL peers, we came through a time when it was quite different. | ||
| We came through a time where our parents did such a great job. | ||
| And this is the thing that I think is being lost. | ||
| We have had this last generation, the great generation, was truly remarkable. | ||
| They succeeded in so many different ways. | ||
| And to say that they were hapless and hopeless and oppressed is a is they put down to them in a big, big way. | ||
| But what I've been getting is calls from guys that I came through through college and pro, and they're all on board. | ||
| We love the fact we're now talking about standing for our flag, standing for our country, respect, which we were taught by our parents to do. | ||
| And we now need to let these young people know that they have been duped. | ||
| You know, we have kind of let our guard down. | ||
| And just to kind of segue from that, what we let our guard down is probably the most important place we can think about is our educational system. | ||
| As we've been kind of moving on and having our big dreams and being the eternal optimist that we are as a country, Building our future, our kids, and vacation. | ||
| We have not understood that evil has been at our doorstep every single step of the way. | ||
| They have gotten into our educational system for decades, and they have eaten away like little termites on the most important thing that we can have to keep our future. | ||
| A knowledge of our past, what we've done together, and most importantly, what makes our country work, the free market. | ||
| We have kids coming out of college hating our country because of Marxist laboratories we've been putting together for the last few decades. | ||
| So this is a good time for us even to start addressing that issue. | ||
| One of the things I cannot wait to do when we get to Congress, by the way, let me just give you guys a little quick advertisement. | ||
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| I promise you I was gonna do it at the end. | ||
| But wait, wait, wait. | ||
| Let's back up a little bit, because you hit a couple things there. | ||
| So you mentioned The Greatest Generation, and you're talking about how so much of what's happening now seems to be an erasure of past. | ||
| So you've had a pretty amazing past. | ||
| You were one of the first three black football players at University of Miami. | ||
| Everybody knows about the incredible football history there. | ||
| Can you just back up first and just tell us a little bit about where you're from, what your folks were like, just growing up, all that kind of stuff? | ||
| I would love to. | ||
| I would love to because this is probably the biggest pride I have is my upbringing. | ||
| And because so many people don't know about it, it's a shocker. | ||
| It's important to realize the message of my background is very simply this. | ||
| This country will give anyone the opportunity to get to the middle class if we understand the tenets that we need to get there. | ||
| And it doesn't matter how poor we come, what color we are, how little we understand language. | ||
| If we understand it's all about education, Faith, industry, and family. | ||
| We got it. | ||
| So, that being said, the black community, because they understood those tenets, the 40s, 50s, and 60s led our country in the growth of the middle class, men matriculated from college, men committed to marriage, over 70%. | ||
| And the percentage of entrepreneurs. | ||
| We had in our communities business owners everywhere. | ||
| Keep in mind, there were no white people in my community. | ||
| So everything was driven by black entrepreneurs. | ||
| Where'd you grow up? | ||
| In Tallahassee, Florida. | ||
| Deep South, Tallahassee. | ||
| Days of KKK, Jim Crow, segregation. | ||
| I didn't have my first interaction with white Americans until I was 16 years old. | ||
| But I grew up in a community that was so proud of who they were. | ||
| Our dads came back from war. | ||
| They were proud of who they were. | ||
| I was taught never let that flag touch the ground. | ||
| It would be desecrated. | ||
| I was really proud of that. | ||
| But the most important thing is that the 40% of business ownership equated to over 50 to 60% of black Americans across our country. | ||
| We had relatives all across the board, all part of the middle class, and that was the way our country was, our race was. | ||
| That has been flipped upside down, where we now have 3.8% business ownership. | ||
| And that's, of course, our middle class has gone down. | ||
| And unfortunately, the most important thing about the middle class, most of it now has become elitist. | ||
| So a great big group of elitists, a bigger group of poor, and a very small group of that very empathetic, loving, serving, outside-the-box thinking middle class. | ||
| So we have to get that back. | ||
| And Dave, I'll tell you, if I can just Warn our fellow Americans what the real attack is. | ||
| The real battle we're fighting right now, obviously, is our culture. | ||
| But what the left wants to do is destroy our middle class. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because the middle class is a stakeholder of our culture. | ||
| That's where we find the best of Americans. | ||
| Those who are going out there, they work, they pay their bills, they pay their payroll, they dream, they fail, they step back up again, and their goal is very simple. | ||
| Build something they can give to their kids, a legacy. | ||
| And here's the other piece of it. | ||
| Business owners realize one thing. | ||
| When customers come through their door, they know they have the discipline to be a nice person. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because they want to come back again. | ||
| Even if they're knuckleheads, they want to come back and keep buying their product. | ||
| That is, in essence, what draws people to our country. | ||
| The bigger that middle class is, the more vibrant our freedom really is, and the more educated we are, and the whole bit. | ||
| And that's what they're after. | ||
| That's why we look at their COVID, what they were trying to do, these Marxists. | ||
| These folks who are totally heartless because they've never understood what it is to build a business. | ||
| They want to shut down our economy, shut down business, and make sure they fail. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because at the end of the day, they want a power in November. | ||
| These mayors allow these thugs to come through these black communities and every four years destroy them, destroy the infrastructure. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because those black business owners will become, they're lifting themselves out of that poverty to the middle class. | ||
| So this is what we're after. | ||
| If we understand that, then we understand our enemy. | ||
| And the enemy is not us. | ||
| It's not Republicans and Democrats and independents. | ||
| It's those who truly adhere to an evil ideology of socialism and Marxism, and because they do, they can care less. | ||
| They have no heart for anybody else but themselves, and they don't mind. | ||
| In my case, with the black community, they will use, abuse, and discard, because that's what it takes for them to continue to win their battle. | ||
| As somebody that grew up in the segregated South, Jim Crow laws, and you mentioned you didn't really have interactions with white America, let's say, until you're 16 years old. | ||
| Then you become an NFL star, you're playing in college, NFL star, Super Bowl champion, have done all sorts of other stuff since then. | ||
| Are you shocked that in 2020, Right now as we talk that we seemingly at our, what the media would tell you is our worst race relations in decades. | ||
| I don't think it's actually true. | ||
| I think it's just the way that it's being framed and pushed on us. | ||
| But are you shocked at sort of the moment that we're at right now? | ||
| Well, I guess I can't say I'm shocked because I know the enemy is tenacious. | ||
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They are, They just don't give up. | |
| There's no shame. | ||
| So what I think we're finding out, though, is how deep into our institutions that they've dived, they've gotten into. | ||
| When I talk about termites, they've been doing this for a long, long time. | ||
| I've seen it with our educational system. | ||
| I just had no idea how broad their tentacles were. | ||
| So we're seeing it coming from every single angle that you have, including within our bureaucracy, the government that we We thought we'd trust it. | ||
| I never thought that the FBI, the DOJ, all those things were complicit in this process. | ||
| But then, if you understand, again, a little bit about Marxism and the socialists, they're cowards and bullies. | ||
| So we really shouldn't be surprised. | ||
| They're the ones that are going to try to find the softest place to do their business, to do their job. | ||
| They want to keep covered. | ||
| They don't want to be fired. | ||
| So if you find a place that's very safe, you'll find them. | ||
| Whether it be college tenure, or these government jobs where nobody knows who they are and they never get fired. | ||
| Or, of course, the media, where they get into media organizations where all they have to do is be as far left as you can, and it's your job. | ||
| So that's what we're fighting against. | ||
| And the downside to being entrepreneurs, being those who are eternal optimists, we sometimes forget to get into the weeds. | ||
| We're not going to be drawn to the same things they are. | ||
| Taking risks, building our dreams, falling and getting back up. | ||
| And all we want to be done is just be left alone. | ||
| Let us do our thing and just leave us alone. | ||
| But while we're doing that, then behind the curtains all this is going on. | ||
| Do you think that's what the fundamental disconnect in society right now is? | ||
| I think it has something to do with that, that there's a certain set of people I actually think most Americans who just wanna live and let live, they want some basic policies that keep the government out of their lives, but that's pretty much it. | ||
| But when you believe that, you're not gonna be riled up all the time and angry and on the attack all the time. | ||
| And now we have a new set of people. | ||
| I don't think it's as many as the other, but I think that they're loud and vociferous and on the attack. | ||
| And so they seem disproportionately powerful because the rest of us, We're working, we're watching TV, we're doing stuff with our families, whatever it might be. | ||
| So there's a disconnect there in the parody of both sides. | ||
| It is, but that's the nature of who we are. | ||
| And it takes, keep in mind, remember what we're doing. | ||
| 9-11 and Pearl Harbor. | ||
| We were going about our business, and one day, all sunny days, going to church or going to work. | ||
| We had no idea how much we were hated until thousands of us had to die through that process. | ||
| But what happens once the enemy hits, we wake up and realize we're up against, and that's when we become dangerous to the enemy. | ||
| As the Japanese whatever admiral said, I feel we're waking a sleeping giant. | ||
| I believe what's happening right now, the Americans across this country do not like what they're seeing. | ||
| They don't want to see cities burned. | ||
| They don't want to see people being beat up. | ||
| We hate bullies to our core. | ||
| And we might not be saying anything about it. | ||
| We might not be polling because we just aren't into that. | ||
| But we as a country always do the right things at the right time for the right reasons. | ||
| I personally think, Dave, the reason why President Trump, Canada Trump, was elected in 2016, because we as a country just innately understood something wasn't right. | ||
| We definitely didn't want the other person to win, even though we didn't know a lot about President Trump. | ||
| But at the end of the day, now that we do see it, and we see him standing for rule of law, we see him pulling together the free market and the government, working things out. | ||
| I mean, more importantly, we see him working against these bullies that no other president has done since Reagan. | ||
| I mean, Reagan had a different style about it because they weren't as, I guess, mean. | ||
| I don't know if that's the word for it, or more. | ||
| But he's the guy, the only one right now that I understand could ever do what he's doing, every single day getting up, because these guys, again, are relentless, and they have no shame, and they just love to lie. | ||
| At the end of the day, for them, lying is part of getting to the end game. | ||
| So we have to understand, and I think that's what our country's getting to, and I truly believe, Dave, that we're gonna come out of this just fine. | ||
| I think for the first time, that's why, as I'm running for Congress, which I never, ever thought I'd ever do, But I'm working with kids. | ||
| My mission has always been working with at-risk kids. | ||
| That's what I was doing. | ||
| But I realized if we don't win at Back to House, the kids I work with and across the country don't have a chance. | ||
| Because it's always policies that make them illiterate, hopeless, jobless, angry. | ||
| It's always policies, and it's Democratic policies doing that. | ||
| So the way I see this, very simply, we have about 18, 19 seats we need. | ||
| I've looked across the country. | ||
| I've seen these congressional candidates, and they're like me. | ||
| Many of them have never done this before, but they're not going there to get a permanent seat in Congress or to be a lobbyist down the road. | ||
| They're there to replicate the president who's showing us what true American-loving leadership looks like for the first time for many of us to see what it takes to really fight against the bullies. | ||
| We're going to get this new group in there, and we're going to make changes that has never been seen before because we're there for the right reasons. | ||
| We're going to start tackling things that we've always had to, but we've had to either deal with elitist Republicans or elitist Democrats, and nothing ever gets done when you talk with those kind of people. | ||
| We're going to start looking at our budget, balancing our budget, doing something with our healthcare system that gives it a transparency and a competitive nature that brings it down. | ||
| How about social security? | ||
| Being able to figure out how we keep our promises with those who are older and had promises made and give our young people an opportunity to do something so much better by the time they get to retirement because they can own the process. | ||
| Those are the conversations we're going to finally have. | ||
| So we'll come there and I'm going to put this out there. | ||
| I see us as a SEAL team. | ||
| facility. | ||
| We're there to we're there to disrupt some stuff. | ||
| And we'll make that happen. | ||
| And not only without our presence, strengthen the backbone of our Senate, which we need more backbone, but allow our president for the first time in four years to run for without having his hands tied behind his back. | ||
| So I see this as this could be the greatest a renaissance for our country than we've ever seen | ||
| because all of America can take part. | ||
| No matter what the color, creed or background, we can all be part of this new growth of America | ||
| and really just enjoy the process together. | ||
| You know, it's funny you describe it as a SEAL team because I had Dan Crenshaw, a congressman down in Texas, | ||
| who I'm sure you know, and I had him on and I described him, it's like, | ||
| he's like a solo superhero fighting against the squad. | ||
| You know, they've got their Legion of Doom team, but he's kind of a solo guy and he needs some new help in Congress, and I think that's what you're talking about. | ||
| Before we go too much on the policy side, because I was on your website this morning, And you lay out all your political beliefs, actually, very clearly. | ||
| It's all there. | ||
| But before we do the policy stuff, I just wanna do a little bit more on your history, because as I said earlier, you're one of the three first black people football players at University of Miami. | ||
| And then let's talk a little bit about NFL and just sort of how the sports mindset and going for a championship and winning and all that stuff, how that set you up as a human being. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Good question. | ||
| Let me just, first of all, kind of put in context the environment of the NFL when I joined as opposed to today. | ||
| Because I think the biggest part of us being excited about our future is knowing about our past. | ||
| And it was something that Karl Marx said that said it all. | ||
| The first battleground is rewriting of history. | ||
| If they steal our past, we truly do not have an appreciation for where we are, and we have no vision for where we're going. | ||
| So that being context, again, I grew up in the Deep South, days of segregation. | ||
| 12 years old, I remember marching. | ||
| I was the youngest person at that time. | ||
| I was with the Florida Indian when my dad was a college professor in front of Florida State Theater, because we couldn't go in to look at a movie theater there. | ||
| My dad, just a little extra background, my dad actually came back from war, And I remember running across a box of letters when he passed away of all these rejection letters that had gotten across the country that would not accept him to those colleges. | ||
| And I looked through it and I realized it was a racist thing. | ||
| But he never ever brought it out. | ||
| He never talked about it. | ||
| For him, it was motivation. | ||
| And that's what those folks do. | ||
| That was motivation. | ||
| Ended up going to Ohio State, where he got his PhD. | ||
| Ended up being a 40-year professor there, and was an entrepreneur, researcher. | ||
| We traveled around the world. | ||
| I was five years old, living in Liberia, Africa. | ||
| Again, that's the environment. | ||
| This is the 50s. | ||
| I had an older uncle. | ||
| By the way, he and his older brother both got their PhDs at Ohio State. | ||
| Dad got it in agronomy, Uncle Lima got it in economics. | ||
| We ended up teaching at the University of Houston. | ||
| The oldest brother was probably the smartest one. | ||
| He was an engineer, and he loved planes, but he couldn't do that when he went to service. | ||
| So on a part-time basis, he ended up buying a little, this is 1962, nobody bought planes in 1962, particularly black folks. | ||
| But he bought a little plane, And because he was entrepreneurial, he was an engineer, but he lived in Wichita Falls, Texas. | ||
| He took letters from Wichita Falls base, the military base, to Chicago. | ||
| That was his side-time business. | ||
| The first FedEx. | ||
| And I remember him coming, flying to Tallahassee, and I must have been maybe 12 years old when I had my first flight in an airplane. | ||
| And I remember that experience very well because he took us up, he took me up, and I don't know if you know what a stall means, what it's all about. | ||
| But if you don't know what a stall means, it's good to know before you stall, before you get the experience. | ||
| It feels like falling out of the air. | ||
| And I remember stalling, getting panicked, and he kind of got control, smiled at me, and taught me what airplane lift was. | ||
| I know today exactly what airplane lift means. | ||
| It ain't fun either way. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| I'm making that point because I want people to know. | ||
| That my community was truly one of the most competitive communities in our country. | ||
| One that we're so proud of. | ||
| We educated ourselves because we knew that's what we needed to do to compete. | ||
| My degree was in biology. | ||
| My minor was chemistry. | ||
| Why was I comfortable doing that? | ||
| Because my dad was a college professor. | ||
| He had a laboratory. | ||
| I felt very comfortable. | ||
| And the most important thing is, when I was told by someone in high school that I could not do that, I made it my duty. | ||
| I lived in the library at University of Miami to prove that guy wrong, because that's the attitude we had in those days. | ||
| So that was the environment. | ||
| Again, I went to University of Miami. | ||
| I was drafted to the Jets. | ||
| When I got to the Jets, This is the way it was in those days. | ||
| There was no black quarterbacks, centers, free safeties, or middle linebackers. | ||
| In those days, the message of the Democratic Party was that black people couldn't think. | ||
| We were not leaders. | ||
| We could run, we could jump, we could play music, but thinking was out of our wheelhouse. | ||
| By the way, to that point, When you go back and you see Martin Luther King, you see the marching, I want you now to keep this in context when you see them. | ||
| Notice he has white shirts, black ties, sometimes business caps and always business shoes, because they were going against the narrative of the leftists, of the racists. | ||
| Illiterate, lazy, bumpkins, can't talk, all the negatives you can possibly think of. | ||
| And they were showing in the way they marched and the discipline and nonviolent that they were totally off base. | ||
| And they wanted to make sure their kids understood that not to take the narrative of these people, to be proud of who you are. | ||
| So I just wanted to put that in there. | ||
| So when I think back about when I came to the NFL, What year? | ||
| What year was your rookie year? | ||
| That was 1973. | ||
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1973. | |
| I now look at an NFL now that's based on meritocracy. | ||
| Color doesn't matter. | ||
| That means no matter what color you are, how fat, how big you are, if you can bring merit to that team, you'll get yourself a good contract. | ||
| That speaks volumes. | ||
| If people understand how far we've come, then all of a sudden, saying we're a racist place doesn't work anymore. | ||
| I mean, I know what racism looks like. | ||
| I know what systemic racism looks like. | ||
| We have an opportunity right now to do anything we want to. | ||
| I can not only go into a theater, I can own a series of them if I wanted to. | ||
| But it comes down to recognizing That the differential in every single race, every single person in terms of success, is based on those four tenets. | ||
| Very simple to understand. | ||
| I think it's time that we find a way to explain conservatism, explain the American way, the entree to the middle class, simply. | ||
| We spent too much time trying to debate it. | ||
| It comes with the four tenets. | ||
| Head, heart, hands, and home. | ||
| Education, faith, industry, and family. | ||
| It's that simple. | ||
| If we educate ourselves, we no longer could be manipulated by the leftist who wants to keep us dumb and motivated by emotion. | ||
| If we understand that faith is the answer to everything, this is the country that was built on Judeo-Christian values, period. | ||
| And no matter how we worship Him, the reason why we look at each other from inside out versus outside in, rather than any other country, is we believe there's a God in heaven that makes us want to bless. | ||
| We want to bless Him by blessing others. | ||
| Industry, we now understand as a country that we are not that country that wants a 10-month vacation. | ||
| That's just not us. | ||
| We want to work. | ||
| We want to sweat. | ||
| We want to, man, fall flat and get back up because we feel good about the process. | ||
| That's who we are, and that's why we've always led the entire world in terms of producing things. | ||
| That's in the DNA of our American people. | ||
| The last but not least is our family. | ||
| The family unit detects where our country goes and how high we fly. | ||
| And that's why the left has been after us for a long time, destroying the family unit. | ||
| We should always think about, very simply, the way I was brought up, is the best thing I could do is I want to make sure that my family's name is one that's respected. | ||
| It's a legacy for my dad, my mom. | ||
| If I do the kind of things that they're proud of, that I carry their name, and I do the same for my kids, then we have done a great deed for our country, and for my family, and for my race, and as a citizen. | ||
| That all works out. | ||
| So the family is really the key point, and we just have to get back to understanding what that means, and what the roles might be, and all that kind of stuff. | ||
| That was a long-ass to a short question, but I hope I got there, buddy. | ||
| I think you got there. | ||
| I think you got there. | ||
| So, you mentioned the meritocracy of the NFL now, and I think that goes obviously for all professional sports at this point. | ||
| Nobody cares what color you are. | ||
| It's can you play? | ||
| I mean, and for me, I'm a basketball guy, but when I play ball my entire life, any court that I showed up to, nobody cared if you were white or black or Asian or anything else. | ||
| What do you care about? | ||
| Can the guy put the ball - In the hole. | ||
| In the hole. | ||
| That's the only thing that you care about. | ||
| Just win baby. | ||
| Yeah, just win baby. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| There's a certain beauty and a simplicity to that. | ||
| But when you see things, you know, how politicized sports has become. | ||
| So you may remember about a year ago, there was a big thing in the NBA that they didn't want, | ||
| the players didn't want the owners to call them owners because that somehow had some connotations to slavery | ||
| But the simple fact is they own the team. | ||
| I mean, they own the team. | ||
| That's how it works. | ||
| When you hear these things, and you hear it from people that are multi-multi-millionaires, that make money that you could never... Do you remember how much you made your rookie year? | ||
| Oh, I'm almost ashamed. | ||
| Keep in mind, first round draft choice, get ready, first round draft choice, the 13th pick, the first defensive back, my bonus was $50,000 a year, $50,000, and I made $20,000, $23,000, $25,000, and $27,000 the first three years. | ||
| And those last three, those years were not guaranteed, by the way. | ||
| Had to go out and make that happen. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| But really, when you hear these guys say these sorts of things and fight about these sorts of things, and then suddenly they won't say anything about China at the same exact time. | ||
| We had a big problem with that in the NBA because they want lucrative deals over there and contracts and all that. | ||
| What do you make as far as what's happened in the sports world? | ||
| There's two things, there's two parts of it. | ||
| I'm going to highlight the middle class ones and then I'll get back to the culture piece. | ||
| The first thing is, this is the biggest problem with my community, my race, is that we went from this great middle class built on small business ownership to a great elitist class built on entertainment and government. | ||
| When people do not work their way through the middle class and understand what it takes to make it, to strive, to finally get to where you feel comfortable, you can reach back, then you become elitist. | ||
| And what happens when you go from dirt poor to super rich, you really do believe you're all that. | ||
| I mean, it's very easy to get into that mindset that you truly are. | ||
| You know the answers. | ||
| Think about LeBron. | ||
| LeBron knows he's a great basketball player, but he also knows the answers to everything else. | ||
| The guy is so smart, if you ask him. | ||
| He's so bold, and he's never wrong. | ||
| But that's what happens with elitists. | ||
| There's no balance. | ||
| He got pretty quiet on China, though. | ||
| Don't forget. | ||
| China, he didn't know much. | ||
| Oh yeah, oh yeah. | ||
| So that's the one piece. | ||
| Unfortunately, we have too many elitists who don't get it, and they will never understand what we're trying to go through. | ||
| The other part of it is very simply, our culture's been under attack for a long time. | ||
| When you take away the family, you take away God, faith of God, you take away things, very simple things like respect. | ||
| One thing that we had in our community a day, very simply, respect to God, country, family, and most of all, women. | ||
| Never ever, don't even let the thought go through your mind, even start going through your ear, of disrespecting mom. | ||
| Because dad would be there to make it right. | ||
| Big time. | ||
| So when you don't understand those basic respects, you don't understand that when you're dealing with a coach, he's truly the coach. | ||
| I mean, we came through an era where coach was, you know, he told you something, you sit there and argue and fight with him. | ||
| We have a thing where things have turned upside down, where literally the players are driving the team. | ||
| The players are dictated to the commissioner, what they're going to do and what they're not going to do. | ||
| And of course, we have cowards like the commissioner, who's... and I'm going to... we may talk about this, but Gordel is nothing but... he's going to be known in history as the Bill de Blasio of commissioners. | ||
| This guy is hapless. | ||
| Half the problem is that he's on purpose because he's truly a true leftist that wants to use the sport to push the agenda and make it work out so at the end of the day, they get Democrats in place. | ||
| It's all about power when you deal with these leftists. | ||
| And I'm sorry, Godel is no different. | ||
| He's all about power. | ||
| He wants to use these kids who have no clue Dive into the social justice with nothing but Marxism, so that we're creating all this anger and angst and riots within the community, so they go out and vote in November. | ||
| These people are truly heartless. | ||
| And they don't think they'll ever be found out, because they're always hiding behind the curtain. | ||
| But we know, we begin to understand what this person is. | ||
| This person is driving the NFL. | ||
| And I'll tell you what, if they go the route of what they did before, either kneeling, Well, the latest thing I've heard is he's going to put the Black Lives Matter flag beneath our flag. | ||
| If he does either one of those two, we're done with the NFL. | ||
| And we won't be coming back. | ||
| And that's going to be a good thing to see happen. | ||
| You know, it's such a crazy thing for, I mean, for a Super Bowl champion football player to say that that would be a good thing. | ||
| It's crazy, but I understand where you're coming from. | ||
| But are you ever shocked, I mean, I get what your feelings are about the Marxists and the idea of destruction and all that, but are you ever shocked that a guy like Goodell, who I assume enjoys football, I assume he enjoys business, right? | ||
| He may have the wrong ideas, but I think, you know, if we separate that for a second, But the lengths that they'll go to destroy their own enterprise. | ||
| I mean, I think we see this across the sports, but it does seem to be worse in the NFL. | ||
| I think David Silver's done a much better job in the NBA of sort of keeping the wheels on the thing, although we talked about the China thing a moment ago. | ||
| Baseball, for some reason, they don't seem to have major issues with this. | ||
| There's something going on in the NFL that does seem particularly different. | ||
| I'm going to give you a little insight of what's happening. | ||
| I think you'll get it. | ||
| I think you'll understand that as we play checkers, these guys play chess. | ||
| Gordel is a globalist. | ||
| And a globalist is someone who looks themselves as a world citizen versus an American citizen. | ||
| And in their game, as long as they can get as much money coming in from wherever they might get it, they're okay. | ||
| And what's happened is over the last few years, the NFL has been looking at going to other parts of the country, China being one. | ||
| They have little China teams they're working on. | ||
| They're now going to England to have a Super Bowl there in another couple of years. | ||
| So they see a global market. | ||
| Right now, they've capped out around $14 billion. | ||
| He's projecting by 2027 to be up to $25 billion. | ||
| Now, where are they going to get that extra? | ||
| It's not here in America, because they're pretty much capped out. | ||
| It's that TV. | ||
| It's the global process. | ||
| And here's the devious part about it, because it's not just the global facet. | ||
| We can kind of understand it as a business owner. | ||
| For these guys, it's more than that. | ||
| They have to devalue the NFL brand first before China will accept it. | ||
| The NFL brand is all-American. | ||
| It's a flag. | ||
| It's our country. | ||
| I mean, that's why we stand together, because we understand this is, as a matter of fact, the founders of the NFL, most of them were World War II vets. | ||
| So when they came out and they developed this concept, it was all about country. | ||
| Well, if they're going to do this in China, they have to demean that brand a little bit. | ||
| And so that's why right now Nike, which is the marketing arm for NFL, guess what the face of the NFL is now around the world? | ||
| It's Kaepernick. | ||
| The Marxist Kaepernick. | ||
| He was paid. | ||
| His face is there. | ||
| So when it comes down to branding now, they can now make the money they have to make outside of our country And of course, keep the American people moving on and keep a kind of a solid base here. | ||
| One of the things, Dave, just so you know, the last contract he signed for $40 million per year, 90% of that is based on growth incentives. | ||
| 90%. | ||
| So that says a lot about he feels very comfortable, he felt very confident that he could make enough money, some kind of way of growth to bring that kind of income in. | ||
| At the end of the day, what the kind of the The problem right now is China did their deal. | ||
| And all of a sudden, China's not too attractive anymore, and it's gonna kind of upset their apple cart a little bit. | ||
| I think they might have to reconsider how they're gonna get that done. | ||
| But if you understand that process, that these people truly are not thinking the way we do as Americans that love our country, they think in a different way, then maybe you understand why they don't mind turning off the American fan to make more income and look at the global market a little bit different way. | ||
| It's so interesting because obviously I know about globalists and the idea of one world and all that, but I've never heard the framing relative to the NFL that we've got to grow, we have these projections, we've got to do it, we've maxed out America. | ||
| So now we have to sort of crush our own brand in a weird way to export it over there. | ||
| It's pretty fascinating. | ||
| And then the 40 million, if it's mostly on incentives, you can sort of see how whacked out. | ||
| So, all right, let's move a little bit here to, let's talk about Utah, | ||
| because I've had a couple people from the great state of Utah on, | ||
| and I've only been to Utah once actually, when I was on tour with Jordan Peterson a year or two ago. | ||
| And we did a show there and I did some stand up there. | ||
| And I walked into the standup club and I was like, I don't know what I'm walking into exactly. | ||
| It's gonna be 500 Mormons, are they gonna have a good sense of humor? | ||
| You know, really, and truly, truly, truly. | ||
| Truly, it was one of, I write about it in my book, it was one of the best nights of my life. | ||
| So many, it was in Salt Lake City, but just so many absolutely wonderful people, fun, laughing, laughing at themselves. | ||
| It was just an absolute blast. | ||
| Tell me a little bit about, people don't know much about Utah. | ||
| If you mention Utah to people, I think most people, they think of skiing, they think of Karl Malone, and they think of Mormons. | ||
| Tell me a little bit more about it. | ||
| Well, the most important thing, we talked earlier about the middle class and what drives that small business ownership. | ||
| In Utah, there's 277,000 businesses. | ||
| 99% of those are small business owners. | ||
| So that says a lot about why the culture is the way it is. | ||
| We're a culture, basically, I'd say three things. | ||
| Solutions, service, and surplus. | ||
| We are very entrepreneurial. | ||
| We're also always thinking outside the box, trying to figure out how to make good things happen so we get some wealth for ourselves and give away. | ||
| We love to serve. | ||
| We're the community that literally gets excited about our kids going off to some crazy International place that nobody wants to visit to serve for two years. | ||
| And we're excited about it. | ||
| So we do that because we understand that one thing that brings us together, and that's why this country is going to come together in a big way when we get through this, we fall in love with each other when we serve each other. | ||
| That's the end of the game. | ||
| That's what it comes down to. | ||
| So we have a very service culture. | ||
| The last one is this. | ||
| We love to give back. | ||
| We love to take our extra time and money to give back. | ||
| What I love about being here To me, it's home. | ||
| I've been talking about the community I grew up in in Deep South Tallahassee, when all I knew were black entrepreneurs, black coaches, black professors, black business owners, and everybody's saying, you can do it, you can make it. | ||
| Our goal is to become the best race ever and show those guys wrong. | ||
| Well, growing up in that community, now I have the same values, so I feel really at home. | ||
| It's really about those things I talk about. | ||
| God, country, family, respect, thinking outside the box, service. | ||
| And I'll just say this, this is why this district that I'm running in is so important for those who are watching. | ||
| Why is District 4 important to the rest of the country? | ||
| Because it's between one and three of must-haves by both parties. | ||
| The Democrats must have this. | ||
| Right now, they own it by Ben McAdams. | ||
| It's a plus-13 Republican district. | ||
| It never should go Democrat, but it did. | ||
| So the Democrats must have it to keep their power. | ||
| And you see what they do when they get power. | ||
| We must have it to get our country back. | ||
| Get back the culture we've been talking about. | ||
| I feel very, very proud and blessed to represent a district that could truly be the linchpin of our country. | ||
| Now, I talked earlier about what could happen once we get the house back. | ||
| This seat can get it done. | ||
| And we get our sealed team together because of this district that has the values we have. | ||
| And I could be no more pleased to be in a position that we can actually help do that for our country to finally start winning again in a big way. | ||
| What kind of traction are you getting? | ||
| Because, you know, it's funny, the way Twitter operates, you know, I see certain personalities that will bubble up for a while, and then I'll click a profile. | ||
| I'll go, oh, this guy's running for Congress in Utah, this girl's running for something in Florida, something else. | ||
| And you're kind of like, oh, well, they're sort of popular on Twitter, or they make sense here, but it's a little hard to tell as an outsider, well, is this gaining traction at home? | ||
| How can you grade sort of where your campaign is at? | ||
| Are there weak spots that you want to shore up? | ||
| You know, that kind of thing. | ||
| Very good. | ||
| I think the blessings that I've had is that I never thought about being a politician all these years. | ||
| I mean, it literally did not happen until about this time last year. | ||
| So, up until this point, I came out with a book. | ||
| The first one was Liberalism, How to Turn Good Men into Whiners, Whinnies, and Wimps. | ||
| And that got me on just around the same time that Kauffman... Yes, it's a good title. | ||
| It really is. | ||
| But it's just about the same time that Kauffman was doing his kneeling. | ||
| So I had a chance to get on and share with America my thoughts, my pride in country, and what I saw as really being detrimental. | ||
| So I had a chance to develop some friendships throughout the time. | ||
| And so now that I'm running, I really have an opportunity to have exposure that's been very advantageous for me. | ||
| We have a community, again, because we're very conservative, that looks at Fox. | ||
| So many people knew me somewhat, even though I was in a very small niche. | ||
| I was working with at-risk kids. | ||
| So I wasn't out in the community a whole lot. | ||
| But it's been an opportunity for me, first of all, to really know this district a lot more than I would have ever, to know our state a lot better because I'm now out talking with people. | ||
| And what I'm finding is that my message resonates. | ||
| We all just want to have somebody who's willing to stand and not wilt and not feel ashamed and not apologize. | ||
| And I tell you, at the end of the day, When God, country, family, and race is the most important thing before anything else, it's easy to stand. | ||
| It really is. | ||
| No big deal. | ||
| Because if that's being attacked, then you want to run to make sure you protect all of the above. | ||
| And that's what I'm finding now across our country. | ||
| We have conservatives that really get it. | ||
| They don't mind taking a hit. | ||
| They don't mind being called names because it doesn't mean a thing. | ||
| Matter of fact, I tell people calling me names, make sure you're using your time right because it doesn't impact me. | ||
| You might be wasting a lot of time because it doesn't bother me at all. | ||
| So, together, we get that group together and we give this message to those, again, who's been truly used over the last few months, abused over the last few months. | ||
| I think we have a point now we can start to resonate and say, yes, you know, guys, let's work together to get our economy back to where it was a few months ago, and this time, know who the enemy is and never go back. | ||
| And I think that's where we come out of this process with. | ||
| Yeah, so as I said, I was on your website this morning and I was looking at the issues that you knock out one at a time. | ||
| Let's just do two or three that you're particularly passionate about. | ||
| I'll even toss them up to you. | ||
| Give me two or three that you really care about, that you think are the core issues that can help you win. | ||
| Very good, very good, Dave. | ||
| Again, everything that I'm working with is based on Those promises, life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. | ||
| That's the bottom line. | ||
| For us to understand that, we have to be educated. | ||
| Ignorant and free can never be. | ||
| Thomas Jefferson. | ||
| That is so powerful. | ||
| And the left has understood that a long time. | ||
| That's why they've worked very hard to make sure we stay ignorant. | ||
| It's the left. | ||
| You're talking about true evil. | ||
| When you work diligently to keep people hopeless and uneducated, that's what I call evil. | ||
| If you go to the state of California, where 75% of black boys in the state of California, 2017, cannot pass standard reading and writing tests. | ||
| When young people cannot read and write, we're not going to talk about Space Corps. | ||
| We're not going to have conversations like this. | ||
| They're going to turn on their networks and be driven by emotion because they have no hope, no way of thinking, no way of reasoning. | ||
| They'll never read the scriptures, so connection with a God in heaven will never ever happen. | ||
| And you go to every single threshold, every single city that's owned by the leftists, by the Democrats, you see the exact same thing. | ||
| Hopelessness, anger, and literacy. | ||
| So education is going to be a big piece. | ||
| Now the other part of education... | ||
| is what they've done in higher education. | ||
| See, it's not just the poor kids that are being attacked. | ||
| It's the rest of our kids. | ||
| It's our middle class. | ||
| We raise our kids in a great environment. | ||
| We send them off to get a degree. | ||
| They come back as little Marxists hating our country and not being able to think at all about reasoning. | ||
| They've been doing this for so long, and now you see it in the streets across the country. | ||
| Antifa, they're not black kids. | ||
| They're middle class yuppies. | ||
| In my day, yuppies was cool. | ||
| I don't know if they're still cool anymore. | ||
| But there are kids who have the wealth, but they hate our country. | ||
| What I think we should do is very simply this. | ||
| I talked about this earlier. | ||
| Let's put together a program, an understanding of what is expected of our colleges. | ||
| They want our money. | ||
| First of all, we have to see transparency. | ||
| How much are they succeeding? | ||
| And what areas we need as a country. | ||
| If they don't hit those areas, those metrics, we get our money. | ||
| We take it back, put it someplace else. | ||
| So education is the first thing. | ||
| One of the things that just warmed my heart, really warmed my heart, when I saw the riots in Minneapolis, they had this video of these black owners, black businesses just next to each other. | ||
| And in the window, black owned, big black owned. | ||
| And this was an opportunity for all of us to see what a Passover looks like. | ||
| Because the locusts and the pillage of looters passed over these businesses. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because there was these AR-15s sitting there on these shoulders, these kids, knowing that if you show up here, you're going to have some issues. | ||
| They passed by to go to those companies, those businesses that still believe in the bureaucracy that's going to save them. | ||
| So those are the two top things. | ||
| It's education. | ||
| Education will allow us to have that mindset to go out and build our own businesses, build our property, which is important. | ||
| That's what The pursuit of happiness was in place for pursuit of property. | ||
| Whether that property be tangible property, intellectual property, spiritual property passed down to our kids, our name. | ||
| Those things we work our lives to build. | ||
| At the end of the day, on our last breath, we should be able to say, I'm so glad I live because this is my legacy. | ||
| That's what a property truly means. | ||
| In order to protect that, We need to be educated to think about what it looks like and have the vision to get there. | ||
| We also have to have the tools to protect every single step of the way so nobody can come in and steal it from us. | ||
| And we now understand when we talk about needing to have that ability, go to these cities where they were just let loose. | ||
| Evil was just let loose in these cities. | ||
| We started to see what it really looks like and where we can never let that happen in our lifetime. | ||
| Do you think that that mindset of how to conquer all of this is really the same mindset, whether you're an entrepreneur or a professional athlete or a politician that really wants to change things properly, that it is purely a mindset of, I am going to dedicate myself to this relentlessly and see it fit, and maybe that's why you can see it as a former NFL player, where some people can't quite see it because there's this idea that somehow victimhood It gives you virtue these days, or can't someone else do it, or the rules are so against me that I can't do it, but it's like if we think of all of our heroes, our sports heroes, or fictional heroes, they did it! | ||
| They said, it doesn't matter how messed up the game is, I'm gonna win, I'm gonna fix it. | ||
| And you know, that's what comes out of a healthy environment. | ||
| That's what came out of my community growing up. | ||
| Your parents, when we had the idea, first of all, life is not always, quote, fair. | ||
| Life is difficult, and there are people who are going to try to slow you down. | ||
| But if you have the finacity, you can dream, because you've educated yourself to know this is possible. | ||
| And you have the faith to know that you're just as special as anybody else. | ||
| Then we can overcome those obstacles. | ||
| The problem we're having in my community, and we're now having across the country, And I say this as often as I can. | ||
| What destroyed my community was turning it upside down. | ||
| So we see kids now that are acting like victims and it's destroying their own properties. | ||
| It was not white supremacists. | ||
| It never has been white supremacists. | ||
| We beat out white supremacists. | ||
| It's been black elitists. | ||
| It's been those with stealth, those who look like me, those who talk like me, those who put their arms around and say, you know, we're going to bake things right and make things so it's all fair. | ||
| And they sell out. | ||
| They go to Congress, the Black Caucus, the NAACP, you name them, the elitists. | ||
| Instead of giving us hope and telling us what we can do, they purposely put in place impediments. | ||
| They put in laws that make sure the poor cannot become middle class, to make sure that our poor black kids could never be educated. | ||
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| Because they're stuck because of this anti-choice that these black elitists will vote for and stand for and see their people destroyed. | ||
| Because they don't care. | ||
| So it is truly elitism across the board that's our enemy. | ||
| And I'll say this, if we go ahead and educate ourselves, not to what the propaganda of the left is, educate ourselves to our history, educate ourselves to what we the people have done. | ||
| I tell you, Dave, if we did that, let me just real quick story. | ||
| I would never ever Ever. | ||
| I'm not a racist, and I never will be, but my point is, but particularly for German and Mexican-Americans, will ever look down or feel bad about that race, those people. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because when my great-great-grandfather came here in the Battle of the Slaveship, they escaped a South Carolina plantation, the Burgess Plantation. | ||
| They went the southern and western route of the Underground Railroad. | ||
| Guess who was making that happen? | ||
| Christian, German-Americans, and Mexican-Americans that opened their doors, opened their fields, fed them, gave them hope along the way. | ||
| And what happened on that trip out West, not only did my great-great-great-grandfather understand he could make great things happen, but he was able to forgive and went on to be a successful entrepreneur, owned 102 acres of land that he bought in two years, a pillar of his community. | ||
| Because along the way, this travel, he realized that all white people aren't bad. | ||
| There are good people out there. | ||
| He happened to be a Christian. | ||
| He started the first black elementary school and the first black church. | ||
| My point is this. | ||
| Once we learn the stories of what we've done together, we find that happening all over the place. | ||
| It's not a special case. | ||
| We have always done that, but we have to educate ourselves to that point. | ||
| And once we do that, we can break loose of the racist process that's been put upon us by the Democratic Party. | ||
| That my friend is what America is all about, I think. | ||
| I think, am I pretty close? | ||
| (laughs) | ||
| You got it. | ||
| That's who we are. | ||
| And the most powerful words in the history of mankind that we sometimes just throw out there and we don't quite get, it's never been done this way. | ||
| It's three empowering words that has spawned an experiment that is truly giving freedom to the entire world. | ||
| We the people. | ||
| We the people very simply says that we control our future. | ||
| We can divide our Everything about our family, our business, our jobs, how we deal with people. | ||
| And we, together, collectively, can elect a president in 2016 that nobody saw coming. | ||
| We can figure out some things that we have no idea how we did it. | ||
| I mean, how do we do that, seriously? | ||
| There's so many doubts out there. | ||
| How do we pull that one off? | ||
| All right, Frankie, as well. | ||
| Well, listen, I know you didn't want to be a politician, but now I'm going to see if you're doing it properly because I'm going to give you the last word to pimp out your website and your campaign and the whole thing. | ||
| Let's see it. | ||
| Let's see it. | ||
| Thank you for this opportunity, Dave. | ||
| Burgess for Utah. | ||
| Please join us. | ||
| Please support us. | ||
| Let's get our Congress back. | ||
| Let's get the Steel Team in place and let's win our country and just win, baby. | ||
| We can do that again, for sure. | ||
| I look forward to seeing you again, my friend. | ||
| We'll do Gutfeld again, I'm sure. | ||
| And you know, next time... I wear shorts sometimes when I'm on Gutfeld. | ||
| We gotta get you in some shorts or a bathing... I'll send you something. | ||
| Oh my goodness. | ||
| Okay, Dave. | ||
| I don't know if I'll do it, but... | ||
| I'm welcome to try and think about it for sure, okay? | ||
| All right, good luck, Burgess. | ||
| Thank you, thank you, buddy. | ||
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