Michael Malice and Dave Rubin dissect media manipulation, arguing the corporate press acts as a DNC wing that crushes outliers like Tulsi Gabbard and Bernie Sanders. They contrast this with historical atrocities like the Holodomor, describing the "evangelical left" as fundamentalists clinging to contradictory facts. While discussing the psychological toll of four years of depression, Rubin encourages building competence over excellence and proposes hosting five unique political figures before the election. Malice accepts an offer to fly to Los Angeles for these events, signaling a potential shift toward practical welfare discussions rather than identity politics. [Automatically generated summary]
We've been trained since kindergarten in our government schools to regard the media as authoritative and as, you know, hard-working people fighting for the little guy and trying to present the truth.
Yet we see many, many examples of the little guy.
Nicholas Sandman is a very obvious example.
Those cadets who were playing the circle game.
Here's an easy example.
The guy who photoshopped CNN into that GIF with Trump wrestling them, CNN said, we reserve the right to sue you.
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Joining me today is the author of The New Right, the host of the You're Welcome podcast, and the man that I've dubbed the Willy Wonka of politics, Michael Malice.
I've been following her very closely, and I think it's reprehensible what's being done to people like Tulsi Gabbard, the congressman from so-called Hawaii, and all the other Democratic outliers.
This is a wonderful change in our politics where so many people are realizing the nature of the enemy.
All right, so we're going to talk about all of that stuff, but because a huge portion of our people just listen to audio, I do feel that I have to describe what you're wearing.
No, okay, so you hit a whole bunch of stuff there.
The reason that I wanted to have you back is, as you know, I find you to be one of the most interesting political thinkers out there.
I do, thank you.
There you go.
I'm paying you a compliment right up front.
You consistently strike me as someone that is always like, really on what I would say is the forward fringe of what's happening culturally and politically and the whole shebang.
So let's start where you just started there.
That there suddenly seems to be a couple outliers with the Dems and the DNC or the powers that be or the gatekeepers or the New York Times or CNN or whatever else you want to call that.
And for three years, my constituents have heard CNN and MSNBC talk about Russia collusion, Russia collusion, Trump's Hitler, Trump's this, Trump's that.
How am I, as a politician, supposed to go back to my constituents
and say with a straight face, I think Trump's the worst president ever.
I think he's a racist, concentration camps, you know, despicable, he's ruined the presidency.
But I don't think this is grounds for removing him from office.
I don't have that space.
So it's pretty clear who's the one who is leading the charge and who is following it.
And for a long time, again, conservatives thought this was Republican versus Democrat.
And now we're seeing that it's establishment versus outsider because we're seeing it how they treated Tulsi, we're seeing it how they treated Bernie, and Andrew Yang.
That's the special one.
Because Andrew Yang is hardly some wide-eyed radical, right?
He's a wonk.
He's in many ways akin to Mitt Romney, you know, in certain ways.
Sure, so basically what you have are the universities, and that's where the evil starts.
And we've been trained since kindergarten in our government schools to regard the media as authoritative and as, you know, hard-working people fighting for the little guy and trying to present the truth.
I've asked a bunch of guests this, but do you think there's a moment where something changed?
Because it wasn't always this horrible.
Now I get it's being exposed now more because we can all immediately tweet out the truth the second they pump out the lie, but do you think there were some other seminal moments somewhere along the road?
It's always this horrible, and this is what conservatives don't appreciate.
We all learn in high school about William Randolph Hearst, the Spanish-American War, remember the Maine, and yellow journalism.
And then they just kind of the record scratch, and now we're into today.
I have a big thread on Twitter.
Walter Duranty is a prime example.
He was a New York Times man covering the Soviet Union.
And while Stalin intentionally committed a genocide via starvation of Ukraine, the Holodomor, he was putting out dispatches all the time saying, There's no problem.
If there is a problem, it is malevolent propaganda.
He said the Russian people, oh, it's a little tough, but they're tightening their belts.
Tighten their belts is a very interesting idiom in this context.
And what Stalin did to these people is, if you were a kulak, which meant landowner, but pretty soon meant anyone, if you had any food in your home, that was for the people.
They ransacked your house and took it.
If you weren't starving, that's how they knew you were hiding food and that's who they targeted.
So they would beat people mercilessly.
They would tear their house upside down, kick them out in the streets, you know, to starve.
And there was another reporter who, and going to this area was forbidden by the Soviet government.
There was a reporter who jumped off the train.
went to a few villages, reported back what was happening, these horrors,
and Durante was like, "Oh, he's just an anti-Soviet agitator."
So this has been going on for a very long time.
They've always been hardcore, I call them jihadis without the testosterone.
They have been, this is a very demented ideology that will do everything in its power
to maintain its hold on power.
And only now that they've been fact-checked in real time and called out on their tactics in real time
are people realizing, oh, I'm just gonna say one more point.
It's not, I had this tweet yesterday, it said, it's not about the corruption, it's about the depravity.
If it was just, hey, I'm hiring my brother, and he's getting paid too much money sitting on his ass, no one would care.
When you have a network that knows that someone is engaged in the sexual trade of children, and their concern is not getting an interview with Meghan Markle, and when this is exposed, instead of coming clean, it's, let's target the person who revealed this footage and get them fired at the network which they went to.
But what do you think about the sort of psychological condition of these people?
Like, when I watch all of these clips of CNN anchors saying the reverse of the truth, or Cuomo tweeting out that, you know, look at the way the right attacks Greta Thunberg when he went after Nick Sandman, or just, you know, a kid, all of this nonsense, that they never stop.
They seem completely psychologically unable to stop.
And that strikes me as very weird.
You know, I sit with a lot of people.
If you were to say something to me that was patently true, that was against what I believe, I would struggle with it.
We would work it through.
I would ask you some questions.
But I know myself, I would probably change my mind if you made a compelling case.
We now are at a point where there's a lot of compelling evidence that these people lie endlessly.
I don't even know that I would use the word lie, and here's why.
I talk about this heavily in the book.
I regard what I call the evangelical left, these types.
When you're adherent to a fundamentalist creed, facts do not change your opinion.
In fact, contradictory facts make you double down.
So if you are talking to someone who is a hardcore creationist and you show them fossils, they're not going to wonder if creationism is wrong.
They will regard this as evidence that their willpower and faith is correct and this is just a test and it's the exact same psychology.
The contemporary, and I don't regard all leftists in this vein, I regard this specifically as these jihadi types, they have this vision that they are the ones who are going to save America and the world, and it's a degeneration of what happened 100 years ago called the social gospel, which was the premise that instead of an individual being saved, which is a basic premise of Christianity, it's the nation that has to be saved.
However, when you have this worldview that a nation's soul can be saved, or the Earth's soul can be saved, that means there is no space that is outside your purview.
That means whatever someone watches, whatever someone does at home, Anything aspect of your life is subject to their domination and control.
So it is an absolute totalitarian worldview, and they admit it.
They, you know, other than maybe perhaps abortion, if you ask them what is a place where it's not your place to judge, they will just kind of, their eyes will shake.
And he asked her, why are you so hard on these people?
Why don't you just say I disagree?
And she goes, because I look at them, they don't hesitate to sacrifice entire nations.
So the people who advocate for Venezuela and the horrors that are going on there, animals being eaten, kids lying in pools of blood because you don't have hospital supplies during childbirth.
No one who pushed for this was like, wow, I made a huge misjudgment.
Joanne Reid, who allegedly, by her own words, called the FBI about tweets that she sent out, is still gainfully employed, and the day after this brouhaha between Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, where if Bernie had said, I don't think a woman can be elected, they're portraying it as him saying, I don't think a woman should be elected, Yeah, which is a huge distinction that everybody just ran shot across.
And intentionally muddled.
She had a body language expert on to show that Bernie's lying.
And here's the amazing part.
The body language expert's like, when he was asked this question, he shrunk and got nervous.
He's on national television being asked to say, is his good friend lying about him?
So, one of the things I talk heavily about in my work and then you write is the concept of the red pill.
And for those who don't know, the red pill is from the documentary The Matrix.
And once you're a red pill, that is the understanding that what we see as presented as truth in the corporate press is in fact a carefully constructed narrative designed to keep some very unpleasant people in power.
So a lot of people are trained to think of a television screen as a window, right?
So when you're doing what you're doing, that's a red pill.
And like, wait a minute, what's the backstory that is leading me to see what's happening here?
If I had to guess, I would guess she just didn't care one way or another.
That she was, that he probably did say something similar, but in an innocuous way.
"Hey, do you think a woman get elected?"
And obviously women are gonna have an uphill battle.
It's never happened before.
And she's portraying it as, you know, poor victim me.
And she just wanted to confront him to look tough on the record.
I think she genuinely felt, she does not handle a counterpunch very well.
I mean, you forget how smart the average person is, so I'm going by that standard.
So you have her with Trump for a year, take the DNA test, take the DNA test, take the DNA test.
She takes it and she goes, there, I took it.
He goes, who cares?
So, he broke this woman's brain, and on some level I feel a little bit bad for her, but the beauty of social media is, after that exchange happened, all her tweets are being bombed with snake emoji replies by Sanders supporters, and now he's taken all her support.
So let's talk about that a little bit, because what I think you really are sort of an expert at is the internet, the underbelly of the internet side of this.
So when you see a moment like that, the Sanders-Warren thing, and then literally it was just thousands and thousands of people, whether you like trolling or not.
Lefties.
Right, it was lefties.
Lefties.
Well, I find the Bernie people, and I'm critical of Bernie, obviously, especially on Twitter, I find the Bernie people to be the most unbearable on Twitter, the most hostile and mean.
And it's weird because they have, you know, most of them have roses in their emojis and they have their gender pronouns and everything's about diversity and tolerance, but I find them to be the worst.
But when you see a moment like that, and then you see the people with the snakes come in and all the fighting after that, that's like your game, right?
So do you think if we just had sort of an endless internal battle within the parties, so they could sort of not really do anything, because they'd just be internally fighting, that that would put us in a better political situation, because really not much could happen?
Yeah, and I think it's gonna lead eventually to kind of the breakup of the United States, because this country has been united with basically thumbtacks and strings since the beginning, and there's no reason for two or more cultures who have increasing contempt and inability to speak to each other to be part of one polity.
Sure, I'm not saying there aren't elites and people that mock each other and all that, but we have one functional country and you can travel to the South and travel to the North and do commerce and all of those things.
I'm not saying there aren't tensions and all that, but even within that, Sure, and I think one of the big misconceptions, and this is another idea, is that if there's going to be any separation or self-segregation, it has to be violent.
And a great counterexample of this is Brexit.
Britain's leaving the EU, they're doing it, it's going to be tough, it's going to be a long divorce, but they're doing it peacefully.
I think increasingly there is an understanding that there's no need, and social media is speeding this up.
It's causing people to go to their logical extremes in terms of politics, and there's less room in the middle, which is exactly what I like, because I think when you're in the middle, that means you don't really have any principles.
It's not having, you know, the biggest government on earth, you know, taking all this money out of you.
You know, obviously the ultimate conclusion would hopefully be an anarchist system, but we've got a long way to go to tear down this Goliath that's been built up over centuries.
And I think it's wonderful that Trump and the Democrats are both bringing such disdain and disrepute to the electoral system and democracy in general.
Is that the ultimate flaw of the lefties, that For what you may agree with them on the parts where Bernie will talk about crony capitalism or that sort of stuff that you don't like, or the big money in politics and all that, that the answer is always exactly what the problem is.
His answer is always, give it more money.
His answer is always, give it more power.
We're a more libertarian answer.
Your answer, I think something closer to my answer would be, well, you starve the freaking beast.
No, I think their central problem is their obsession with equality at any cost.
And because even if they weren't involved in government, they're still gonna be pushing this kind of bizarre equality agenda, which has deathly consequences.
Well, did you see, I was just on Tucker Carlson because Elizabeth Warren wants a 50% female and non-binary cabinet, which is very important, I would imagine.
So even though you like this idea of the internal fighting, do you think, like, AOC's been making a point, which, again, this is someone who I disagree with on most of the stuff, but I think she does get one every now and again, which is she's basically been saying, why am I in the same party as Joe Biden?
That does make sense to me.
These people have really nothing, no matter how woke Biden tries to become now, you know, he's trying at this end stage, which is sort of sad, but it's like, they shouldn't be in the same party, should they?
The fact that we only have... Which has its own set of problems.
Of course it does, and it's hard to form coalitions and so on.
The fact that we only have two parties with a country that's, what, 350 million, and those are supposed to cover everyone's views, this is an example of why politics is landline technology for a post-cellphone world.
Back in the 80s, every terrible comedian would joke about, oh, there's Coke, and now there's Diet Coke, and there's Cherry Coke.
What's next?
Caffeine-free Cherry Diet Coke?
Yeah, you can have that, and that's not a problem.
But why do I have to have two choices, and those choices are Coke or Pepsi, when I prefer not to drink soda at all?
And that is not an option, and it's getting hard, and in Europe we're seeing this very heavily, the fragmentation.
It's getting very, very hard to form coalitions at 51%, and that's wonderful, because- Yeah, Israel's had, what, 17 elections in a row, and they can't form a government, yeah.
Because once you realize that we are being manipulated, lied to, and tried to be controlled, And we're also told that anyone who says these things is a conspiracy theorist, so right away you don't have to listen to him.
Even though the Weinstein conspiracy has been demonstrated, the Epstein conspiracy has been demonstrated, the Constitution was written as a conspiracy.
They met in secret and basically threw out the law and said, we're just going to overthrow the government.
All these things were conspiracies.
Once you realize this, then you could have an honest conversation.
I have not had that Bernie experience that you had, but you're more higher profile than I am, but that is a starting point where it's like, let's talk honestly instead of having these two-minute hates trying to destroy people on a personal level, which maybe they do, I don't understand.
Again, I'm not familiar with the Bernie crowd, but that is the starting point of a sane left because there's- But then what is it actually, like what are the ideas?
I'm just gonna say, No one I know would have a problem with a lefty who says, I believe in a welfare state, I don't want to live in a country where people are starving in the street, I don't think someone should be bankrupt because they got cancer, and I want my kids, even if they're destitute, to be able to have a decent quality of education.
That's a sane lefty.
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Well, I'd say that's an old school liberal, basically.
That's very different from, you know, this kind of fundamentalist faith where overnight We have to care not only about trans people, but specifically transgender bathrooms.
Not any other trans issue.
This is the one trans issue.
And if you don't care about this one specific sub-issue of this greater issue, you can be read out of polite society.
That is coming from a place of domination and control.
It's a really great way of looking at it because remember when that whole transgender bathroom thing happened in, was that in North Carolina?
And then suddenly the NBA said we're not gonna have the all-star game here and Obama said we're gonna cut funds to the state and all of those things and it's like...
Guys, we're trying to have some level of a decent conversation, and you guys have now taken this to, we're literally talking about the power of the federal government over transgender bathrooms.
And that's the dangerous part here for most people, I think.
Yeah, I think people, for a long time, the corporate press has been very good at using persuasion.
And now that the animus toward them is at all-time highs, and hopefully will keep escalating, their mask is dropping, and they're demonstrating they're perfectly comfortable using their B-move, which is force if necessary.
Right, so everyone was saying it was an endorsement.
But it was basically like, I like the guy, he's been consistent over the years, something like that.
And CNN, from CNN's main verified Twitter account, literally said, Something to the effect of Bernie Sanders under heat because he takes the endorsement of homophobic, racist, Islamophobic comedian Joe Rogan.
And it's like, you don't have to love Rogan, and I get it, he's been included on scary charts that you and I have been included on.
you know, these charts, they're out there.
Sometimes they put, you know, little lines next to each other.
It's easy because they're delusional and not in touch with reality.
So there's an asymmetry between truths and lies, right?
If I tell you a hundred truths and one lie, you're gonna look at me as a liar.
If I kill one person and never kill anyone else, I'm still a murderer, right?
So if I'm presenting myself as an objective news organization and I'm caught once, twice, 12 times, the average person who doesn't have any political persuasion one way or another will not look at me as trustworthy.
And once trust is lost, it is almost impossible to be regained.
Because the way they were riffing off each other, these people don't riff off each other well.
When you see Lemon and Cuomo do it, it's horrible.
It's so stilted.
You can tell these people don't really like each other.
They have this awkward minute between their shows when they do it.
And also, I know a lot of these people.
You know a lot of these people.
The way they are and their ability to be human on camera, it's not like this.
Literally, it's not like this, what we're doing right now, where it's like we have cameras on us, but we're acting basically the same.
There's always like, you turn a camera on, what's that theory?
There's a name for that theory when you turn a camera on.
I can't remember what it's called.
But we're basically acting like ourselves, and there's nothing suddenly that this camera goes off that I'm gonna, our interaction would be wildly different.
We went out to dinner a couple weeks ago, it was this, right?
It's hard to figure out which supports the reality, right?
I'm hearing what you're saying and it's completely plausible they sat down and did like the worst improv class in history.
But there's a couple of things in that that I thought are very cogent.
There's this concept called midwits that I mentioned in my book,
which is about people who are marginally intelligent, right?
When you're barely smarter than average, but you are desperate to demonstrate your brilliance,
because there's very few chances where you're gonna be the smart one.
If you're six foot, you are tall, you're above average, but when are you gonna be the tall guy?
Never.
So to think that being able to find Ukraine, everyone who's played Risk can be found on a map
as a sign of your brilliance, speaks to your intelligence.
And the other point is Jim Go, the writer who wrote the Redneck Manifesto, he made the point that every single stereotype that was applied in the past toward poor, low-status blacks was overnight, by these same people, applied to poor, low-status whites.
You go back and watch that clip, and those accents that they do and those voices, oh, those lawns and that book learning, they're 60 years away from saying the N-word about the same kind of population.
It's a status thing, and racism and classism have always been very hand-in-hand in this country.
I think they get a lot of heat on social media, where people call them out on their malfeasance and depravity, and they're getting defensive.
And now they are being sarcastic, because sarcasm is often a sign of cognitive dissonance, where your brain has to contradict your ideas and can't reconcile them.
So for them, the idea that maybe, I always tweet at these people, I go, have you ever wondered if maybe you're one of the bad guys?
The idea that we're not better than everyone else, that we're not particularly bright, it's true, but it's very disturbing to their self-image because, hey, I'm on CNN.
Yeah, who's called everyone racist, comma, who sat down with Michael Malice, comma, who was, you know, Tulsi Gabbard appropriated the, comma, okay.
It reminds me of something that happened to me about a year ago, a good friend of mine who I went to, I grew up with, I went to college with, we both studied political science together, we've been friends for, you know, our whole lives, you know, 40 some odd years.
He's a huge lefty now, obviously we diverge politically, but we went out for a drink and we sort of got into it and he was getting very heated and I just kept trying to get out of politics.
I tried and I'm sure you've been in a million of these where you just you try to let it go and there's something that's beyond politics and I was trying to talk about his kids and everything else going on and we couldn't get there and I finally said to him, I said, do you think that I believe what I believe as much as you believe what you believe?
I think a lot of them are just gonna be happy to stay home.
They're gonna be like, look, I can't bring myself to vote for this guy.
He's, you know, we can think of all the names, but I'm not going to endorse this, especially if Biden is the nominee.
I gave Biden money because when he went in front of these coal miners and told them that if you know how to shovel coal, you can learn how to program a computer.
Yeah, they laid off a lot of journalists, and they're all boohooing, and then all the trolls, and I use the word trolls in the good sense, just added them a hashtag learn to code.
So I know this is where you wouldn't, it's depressing in that for someone that's a little more old school politics and not on the fringe of the new right, that for someone that like, you know, I want the system to somehow function, even though I always tell you, it's like, I love all the intellectual adventures I go on with you, I really do.
But for someone that wants like something to kind of hold that was somewhat centrist and we could have an interesting- But that's Biden.
No, but he can't do it anymore.
It seems like he can't do it, which is why he's telling these guys to code.
It's why he's saying you can pick your gender depending on which jail you want to go to.
One of the things that this speaks to is one of the best aspects of conservatism, which is asking questions like, when you're advocating for a program, what do you do with the people who use this program in bad faith, or this law in bad faith?
And very often people on the left don't have an answer or they'll hand wave it away like, oh, there won't be that many cases.
Well, that don't we that many cases again is Nicholas Cruz in Florida shooting up a school.
It's that outlier that both moves culture and also is the destroyer.
So I've been engaging in psyops with a lot of these types.
So for example, when you're working on a campaign, you're going to have tunnel vision.
You're living in a bunker, right?
So when there's an article that comes out in the New York Times, everyone in the campaign is freaking out.
How's this going to play?
how the other campaigns, you kind of have, it's like Plato's cave, very limited information.
So what I do is I have a bigger Twitter following than many of these campaign managers for these candidates.
So people tweet like nasty things at them, that'll strengthen their resolve.
If you're saying, oh, Warren's this and that, it's like, yeah, I'm fighting for her against you.
So I will be like, hey, @RogerLau, latest polls came out from Iowa,
five of the six candidates have solidified their support, only Warren has lost support.
How depressed are you at the campaign on a scale of one to Anthony Bourdain?
And then that gets retweeted, and you know it's filling up his notifications, and he's already having a bad day, and now he's gonna be freaking out even more, hopefully.
I mean, I'm giving the devil on their left shoulder steroids, and being like, more insecurity, more fear, more freaking out, and just ginning up that kind of, I mean, I can't imagine working a campaign is in a state of constant stress and panic, and you're putting out fires all the time.
How concerned are you at the social media level and at the big tech level that the game has been so rigged and manipulated already that we have no idea what's going on?
I keep mentioning this thing about shadow banning is now in Twitter's terms of service.
They can literally throttle accounts.
We've known that they've been doing it forever, but now they're telling us they're doing it.
As of January 1st, and we all just keep playing the game as if the game is not being rigged.
I mean, when you have your enemies to expect them to play fair is extremely naive.
This is my Soviet mindset talking.
We did have a president who tweeted his way into the White House.
And I think what people don't appreciate is the existential angst it causes someone who works at a social media company to see their product or their program being, from their perspective, subverted by those who they despise to further their agenda.
But doesn't it also cause them to tighten those spigots and make sure that as we get closer to the election that Michael Malice isn't going to be heard as much or Trump's not going to be heard as much or Rubin or anybody else?
But we all pretend that that's not really it.
That would be the thing that we would all be relentlessly talking about, right?
If we really were trying to change something here?
And when she lost her campaign, I did a ham tasting on my live stream and we tried, you know, different kinds of hams from all over the world.
Because the pig was finally roasted.
So I think they are going to try different tactics, but because they're being called out on their tactics instead of being called out on the issues, this is why they are freaking out.
You know, it's funny because like three years ago, let's say, when Daily Beast or Mother Jones or any of these awful things, these, what do you call it?
Whenever they were doing it and they would call me all these things, I'd fight back and then I could occasionally get them to change one line or whatever, but then they wouldn't actually retweet the thing.
They would just change it and nobody's seen it and whatever.
It's out there for then, right, stealth edit so then Wikipedia can grab from it and the rest of it.
But it used to really upset me, obviously, when I first, like anyone that starts getting that heat, it's hot at first.
And in a weird way now, because I have a book coming out in April
and I know what that is gonna cause that microscope to look at me or really fine tune on me,
is that I'm glad that I went through it now.
Do you find that too, that you've been through a lot of the hits on this stuff
and it's like, that actually makes you stronger now?
Dave they see this is where they've been terrible since Woodrow Wilson don't you I mean even before in the nation?
I mean these people were the ones agitating for World War one.
I mean you have to go back so They there is Rudy Giuliani made a comment that he's more Jewish than George Soros now in any other context If you were talking to Jewish people and said, someone can be culturally Jewish without actually having Jewish ethnicity, as opposed to someone could have Jewish ethnicity and basically be a total goy, right?
But what was amazing is, in the same way it's Dave Rubin comma, secret Klansman and homophobe comma, It's George Soros comma literal Holocaust survivor.
Now, I always say the corporate press is factual but not truthful.
It is factual that George Soros survived the Holocaust.
He was Jewish.
He was in Hungary, I believe.
He was under Nazi occupation.
His life was in danger.
However, In any other context, people would not even argue.
The experience of Jews who fled Germany and got to America is not the same as the experience of Jews who survived occupied territory is not the same as a Jew who escaped the camps or survived the camps.
They're all Holocaust survivors.
These are separate things.
But by using that term, they are trying to say George Soros Yeah.
Multinational billionaire is beyond criticism, specifically because of the Holocaust.
Even if he literally was taken out of Auschwitz, and thankfully he was.
He had a much easier circumstance.
I don't wish that on anybody, almost.
The idea that a billionaire I mean, this is the number one person.
Koch brothers, Soros, Sheldon Adelson, these are the number one people, Tom Steyer, who should be subject to scrutiny because they're using their wealth to influence the political process.
That's the number one person that you want to look at with skepticism.
So to have them run interference for Soros in the name of the Holocaust was so off-putting me, and I was very glad that I'm like, I'm not backing down from these efforts.
I mean, you're gonna be a billionaire and he's just, he stands there with Bernie like, please don't throw me in the pit of Sarlacc, please don't throw me in the pit of Sarlacc, you know.
He was, he ran I think in 96 or something, he was some kind of big businessman.
It is, Watching Tom Steyer talk and it's like it's very cute because when you reach a certain amount of money, right?
My understanding is you will have people who will tell you what you want to hear in order to be your consultant So they sat down with him like yeah.
Yeah Trump did it.
Why can't you so I think it's fun to watch him But I don't think he's going to wear Bloomberg But what do you make of the way he kisses the ass of the socialists like doesn't it just strike you as the most pathetic and No, I think this is the guy who, there's a lot of these types.
They made it on Wall Street, but they want to be with who they perceive to be the cool kids, and now he's on stage with Bernie, and I think he's genuinely excited.
But the idea that this guy, Bernie, who really has so many counter ideas to what allowed Steyer to become a billionaire, and he just gets up there and he's like a little yipping dog around Bernie, and Bernie's always like, shoo, shoo.
Okay, but if you remove the gun one, and I completely hear you on this, I mean, even just the, there was the shooting at the church, and basically Bloomberg was condemning the guy that shot the shooter.
So like when Elizabeth Warren starts talking about like, you know, transgender rights, she doesn't care about that.
This is something she just, you know, at age, how old is she?
70 something?
You don't at age 70 suddenly realize that you want reparations.
That's not a thing.
This is something she's like, all right, I gotta, I think she saw in 2016 two very venal people get the nomination and she's like, all right, this is what politics is, I'm gonna have to sell my soul and basically out Trump and out Hillary, both of them, and she's doing a piss poor job of it.
Do you sense that the train left the station on reparations even?
Like they were talking about it a couple months ago at the early debates and even now it's not being talked about, almost as if enough people were like, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Sure, but I think also a lot of people in the black community realize that the Democratic Party often takes them for granted.
I think that often that was trying to be a wedge to get black voters, who are very pro-Obama obviously, Who are going to be for Biden to pull them away from him because he's not I don't think for reparations or at least yet And I think it was kind of a lead balloon because I agree with you like when you have you know even the center-left Hearing this and being like you're what are you talking about?
This is not even practical even if you want it to happen Yeah, that's when they pull back a little bit It's never good in a society when you're gonna be judged and condemned by your father's sins, right?
I mean, at a certain point, it's just basically like, we're gonna, it's almost explicitly, we're gonna take money from them, whoever them happens to be, and give the money to us.
And then we're gonna find some ex post facto reason why this isn't just necessary but the moral thing to do.
Yeah, and when you have the left now understanding the nature of the corporate press and becoming red-pilled and like I Welcome them with full love in my heart and open arms like join us like they're the enemy you like me and you are not the enemy we are we might disagree, but we're not each other's enemies and Is that also part of it, I think, that... So I'm with you.
And yes, there's a part of our brain, I suppose, that gets us focused on the fighting and the negative and whatever that is, even though I know you think the fighting is good and whatever.
But the other part of this is the people that I'm most sort of interested in right now online Are the people that are not purely obsessed with this.
So like there's like a certain crew that just, even that I think are smart politically, but like they just tweet politics every fucking day over and over and over.
And it's so boring and painful.
And then there's this other crew and I try to do this, you know, like I got my dogs in her last days and I post about her a lot.
And I try to post about food that I'm cooking and other than funny and silly things and things that you're doing.
And it's like, I think people want to see more complete people.
Yeah, I think there's such a move online about self-empowerment and making something of your life.
I certainly have been talking about mental health a lot more in my social media and it's so rewarding when you're young to be told If you want to do it, do it.
Like, maybe you won't be as successful a podcaster as Dave Rubin, right?
But you can be somewhat successful, and even if you fail, you're still... You still have to do it.
But you're also fighting for something that matters to you, and that failure is going to be very rewarding.
And you and I have both failed on many things over the past, and you keep fighting, keep fighting, keep fighting.
So that the fact that there's so many opportunities to make something yourself, be self-actualized, it's such a wonderful time to be alive.
And I feel so sad for people who don't, I'm saying, you don't have to be the best person on earth, but you have it in your power to be a better person than you are now.
And when you put in those terms, like, yeah, it's just that simple.
I will always be Ricky with the plastic bag in American Beauty, and it makes me so sad to watch so many people, because the mentality is, well, I've tried nothing, and it hasn't worked, so I'm gonna give up.
Yeah, and that's actually a counter in many ways to what people are being told, where you're just outsourcing everything all the time, and nothing's your fault, and you shouldn't really work that hard, and they'll take care of you.
And it's like, we are given the counter message that way.
Tulsi, I was like, who is that guy that dresses like Tulsi or she dresses like him?
All right, this is what we're gonna do, Malice.
I have an idea.
It just hit me while we're, I'm sitting here because I find when you're having a good conversation like this, interesting ideas pop up.
The week before the election, I wanna do five shows that week.
We only usually do one or two shows a week.
I wanna do five shows, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday.
I want five unique political people to be on that week.
And I'm gonna make two comments here that I want you to be part of.
I want you to be one of those people.
Because I want five people from completely different walks of life and political persuasions to just give me what's happening right now before the election.