Oct. 14, 2019 - Rubin Report - Dave Rubin
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| Alright guys, so I saw the Joker movie over the weekend and I felt I had to do a quick video about it. | ||
| I am not going to do a movie review here, so if you have not seen the movie, this is not a review. | ||
| I just want to talk about a couple of the themes and sort of the media lunacy, surprise surprise, that was happening in the, say, week before the movie came out because it's so emblematic of | ||
| everything else that I'm always talking about here. | ||
| So first off, I will say a couple things about the movie, but it's not a full review of the movie. | ||
| That being said, I think it was probably the best, most impactful, sort of viscerally painful, | ||
| difficult, complex, confounding movie that I've seen in the theater in the last like 10 years or so. | ||
| I mean it was it was just just great and from everyone that I talked to and respect and friends and family, everyone's sort of feeling the same thing. | ||
| We're having some interesting philosophical arguments about what the real meaning of it was and that's what I want to talk about here. | ||
| So before the movie came out, for about 10 days beforehand, every day there was another mainstream media review of the movie. | ||
| Or not even review of the movie, just a warning that this movie was going to inspire the alt-right and the white nationalists and the angry young men, you know those people that that scary Dr. Jordan Peterson is talking to, to do violence because that's really what the movie's about and these right-wingers are going to use this as a rallying cry and there might be violence at the movie theaters from these people and all of this stuff. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Well, so far none of that has happened. | ||
| Surprise, surprise. | ||
| And I'm not sure that any of the people that wrote those think pieces actually saw the movie or took any sensible message from the movie. | ||
| So look, basically the idea of the movie is that this very pained person who has medical problems, who is on all sorts of medication, prescription medication, And comes from a broken family and all of that kind of stuff, but again I'm not doing a full movie review here. | ||
| This broken human being becomes violent in a really twisted society that's struggling between the rich and the poor and all that, but basically has a nihilistic view of the world. | ||
| He wants to be seen and he is never seen. | ||
| And basically he becomes this sort of nihilistic, self-destructive, but also outwardly destructive and murderous force that believes in chaos. | ||
| Now what does that sound like politically right now? | ||
| Does that sound like something that's coming out of the conservatives right now on the right? | ||
| Or does that sound exactly like what's coming out of Antifa and the far left right now? | ||
| I mean, if you saw the movie, you'll see all of these people in the streets, flipping cars, attacking people, shooting people, burning people, yelling at innocent people, destroying public property, all of these things. | ||
| So actually, the movie is a condemnation of the people that choose To go if there is a road, right? | ||
| If there's a road and you can choose order and personal responsibility and self-reliance. | ||
| If there's a road and you can choose that or you can choose nihilism and chaos and destroying the system and attacking innocent people and wrecking private property and all of those things. | ||
| That's the direction that this guy went in. | ||
| Now the interesting philosophic part here is if you think that Joker is a good guy, if you think that this Batman villain for the last 60 years is a good guy, which is the same way he's portrayed in this movie as a bad guy, not a good guy, but if you think he's a good guy and you believe in chaos and destruction and you believe in really nothing that's true, that you just want to be seen and take the world as you can take it and try to burn the whole thing down, then I suppose that Joker's a good guy. | ||
| But anyone that lives in a sensible way, that wants society to function, and that wants people to be helped, I mean, look, I've got Jordan Peterson's Twelve Rules for a Life right over there. | ||
| The point of the book, I mean, the subtitle is An Antidote to Chaos. | ||
| What the Joker needed was an antidote to chaos, to bring a little order to his life, not be victim, right? | ||
| The whole movie is about a victimhood mentality. | ||
| This guy's a victim and then he spreads his victimhood mentality, coupled with his psychological conditions, across society. | ||
| So the media tried to frame it as this movie was gonna inspire all these alt-right, white, | ||
| nationalist, mean, racist people, but the movie is actually the reverse of that. | ||
| It's the reverse of that if you think the Joker's a bad guy. | ||
| If you think the Joker's a bad guy, then you would never want any of those things. | ||
| You would want people to take responsibility for your life and the rest of it. | ||
| But putting that aside, oh, and by the way, all of these movies, one of the things that they did | ||
| that was really interesting is you see the evolution from a broken person to an evil person. | ||
| And people were sort of saying, oh, well, that's gonna inspire people, right? | ||
| That'll inspire people because they're gonna make him a sympathetic character. | ||
| Now, he was sympathetic at some level, watching a person with mental health problems and all sorts of psychotropic drugs and the family abuse and all of that stuff. | ||
| So he's sympathetic at some level, but every bad guy, in every movie, in any good movie, or any good story, any good book, should be sympathetic at some level, right? | ||
| Of course they should be. | ||
| Thanos had his reasons for wanting to destroy half of the universe. | ||
| He felt that that was the only way that you could save the other half. | ||
| He thought he was the good guy. | ||
| Most bad guys think they're the good guy. | ||
| What did Palpatine think in Star Wars? | ||
| He was bringing order to the universe. | ||
| He thought he was the good guy. | ||
| Darth Vader thought he was the good guy until right at the end when he had to take out the | ||
| Emperor. | ||
| So bad guys usually think they're the good guys. | ||
| But putting aside the media nonsense related to this, which just every review it was just | ||
| so off. | ||
| It was just so off the implication that these people were gonna cause violence on the right to do the things that the left is actually doing out on the streets right now, that the far left and Antifa are doing on the streets right now, and they never get condemned by any of the mainstream lefty politicians. | ||
| I mean, it's just bananas. | ||
| But putting all of that aside, there's a much more dangerous thing that the media is doing right now, which is implying That if you guys see something violent, or if you see something disturbing, or darkly true, or some version of any of those, that you are going to act on it. | ||
| And this is a way that we will erode freedom of speech in a really, really dangerously horrific way. | ||
| Look, we watch movies, we watch all sorts of movies, and it doesn't mean we act on them. | ||
| You know, I watched Silence of the Lambs when I was 12 years old. | ||
| I think it came out in 1989. | ||
| I was 12 or 13. | ||
| I did not then start kidnapping women, skinning them, keeping some of them in the basement, and build a female skin suit. | ||
| I did not do that like Buffalo Bill did, even though the fact it's an incredible movie and I loved every second of it, right? | ||
| I did not do that. | ||
| I did not put lotion in the basket and drop it down into the well, okay? | ||
| I saw Billy Madison. | ||
| Have you ever seen Billy Madison? | ||
| Adam Sandler movie? | ||
| I didn't go back to grade school. | ||
| It would be nice to go back to grade school and redo some of those things. | ||
| Didn't do that. | ||
| And I saw Back to the Future, I didn't buy a DeLorean and then try to convert it into a time machine, although I wanted to, but it's hard to get plutonium, you can't get it at your corner store these days. | ||
| Anyway, the point is that art, anything real and good, whether it's sculpture or painting or a movie or a book, any of these things, they should make us think, which is exactly what the Joker movie did. | ||
| it did not make people be violent. | ||
| And if someone in the name of the Joker movie was violent, it wouldn't be the fault of the Joker movie | ||
| in and of itself. | ||
| It would actually probably be the fault of some of the things they talk about in the movie, | ||
| which are mental health issues and the use of psychotropic drugs and the rest of it. | ||
| But this idea that we have to condemn things or we shouldn't allow things to be seen | ||
| or allow things to be heard that disturb us a little bit or might make people think or think a little bit | ||
| differently or show truly evil people, right? | ||
| I mean, you could watch a documentary about the Nazis, the real Nazis, not the fake Nazis | ||
| that everyone's talking about these days, doing horrific things. | ||
| I mean, I've seen plenty of them, actually, and they're unimaginably horrible. | ||
| You don't want to watch them because they're so horrific. | ||
| Nobody is watching that or I hope nobody is watching it and then going ahead and trying to recreate those things. | ||
| But if somebody watched it and did want to recreate those things, it's not because of seeing it. | ||
| It's not because of seeing it. | ||
| It's because of something else that we have to deal with as a society. | ||
| So we really, you know, the reason I wanted to do this video was this is just such a perfect compilation about the way the media sort of lies about things that then actually always ends up starting to erode our ability to have a conversation about free speech properly. | ||
| The way they just take everything to their narrative, implying that this was a rallying cry for the evil right and the white nationalists and all that, when actually it only is If you think the Joker is a good guy, but the Joker is a bad guy. | ||
| The movie actually, if you're thinking clearly about it, is a condemnation of the people that want to bring chaos and the Joker in the movie is the main agent of chaos. | ||
| But there's a reason that all the people at the end of the movie that are flipping cars and burning things and destroying things, and murdering people in the street. | ||
| There's a reason that it kind of feels like the Antifa videos that we see every day, because that's what they were condemning, not the other thing, except that is just not the way the media wants to frame things. | ||
| Anyway, I would love to know what you guys thought about it. | ||
| Let us know in the comment section right down below. | ||
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