David Rubin and David Webb dissect Areva Martin's accusation of white privilege against Webb, which he refutes as a "soft bigotry of low expectation" ignoring his diverse heritage. They analyze the rise of "Blexit," Candace Owens' impact on racial narratives, and the potential for a multi-party system to correct constitutional flaws. Critiquing media polarization, they advocate for long-term thinking over short political cycles, supporting Trump's policies while emphasizing integrity and honest debate as essential for piercing ideological veils in an evolving cultural landscape. [Automatically generated summary]
Hey, I'm Dave Rubin, and before we get to business today, just a quick reminder to click that subscribe button and the little bell there so that you actually might get notified about our videos.
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I think both our audiences are wondering who the other one is.
What you don't like is, you touch down and I'm taking off, or I touch down and you're taking off, and for everybody watching, literally you and I have said, where are you?
It was an equal channel, but they had us also in the corner.
It was a little weird.
But I really wanted to be on one of the political channels, and I had met with all of them there, and I said, I'll do the, you know, at the time I was a lefty, so I wanted to do the lefty, but I said there was a, POTUS was sort of the non-partisan.
I said, I'll even do the right channel, and let me be the lefty on the right channel.
They kept me on the Gay Channel, so be it, but you were the first guy there.
I don't even remember how we met, probably just in the hallway.
And we started talking politics, and you knew we had some differences, it was very obvious.
Yeah, and here we are today in an environment where, yeah, it's become more polarized, but I've also seen more people move to the center.
And I think that people can focus on the polarization.
They can say, okay, you're either this or you're that.
But look around the country and talk to the people you work with.
Talk to the people you interact with, you work out with, whatever, and you find that more people are starting to drift into the center and maybe deliberately pull others with them, saying, hang on a second, let's pick an idea or values over a party.
And I like that.
Look, I'm a Republican, and I tweeted this out.
I was a Republican because my parents taught me, and I'm paraphrasing myself, which is probably, I can't quote myself.
I'm loosely quoting myself, which is no longer plagiarism.
But I basically said, you know, they said, think about your values, what fits, and make your choice.
They didn't say, this is your choice, because what do we get from our parents?
Typically you get a sports team, maybe a religion, you know, a couple of key things, because that's what you grow up with.
And I wish more people had that.
I made my choice, and they respected my choice because I could explain why.
And I think we're getting back to that for many people.
I think they're just sick of the, you know, you've got to be in your OutQ box at that time, and I've got to be in my Patriot box.
I don't know if you knew this.
When we launched a Studio 54 channel, and Dave Gorab was talking about it, we were joking, I said, Dave, let me... He's one of the execs at Sirius.
One of the execs at Sirius, and we both know.
Great guy.
And a guy I call my boss.
He says, you can't do Studio 54.
And it wasn't a bad thing, it was because everybody knows on the Patriot Channel, I said, what do you think, we all were conservative without a party sign?
Well, okay, because you're a conservative, and there's still, no matter how many black conservatives I meet, and there are so many of them, obviously, and the color of your skin should have nothing to do with your political beliefs.
Somehow, if you're a black conservative, You're an anomaly.
You know, first perspective, if you go to a country that's a majority black country or a Caribbean island, some of the islands have more conservative majorities or conservative values and thoughts.
So you go to a country which is 70%, 72% self-identified white.
If you want to look at America, then you've got breakups of different ethnicities and mix and whatever.
So suddenly being black is really an anomaly?
It's not.
Because the problem with identity politics is it's based on this box you're supposed to be in.
And you and I are talking about what do you believe in?
And that's the difference, and that's why I like listening to you, that's why you and I get along, because we found our similarities, our differences, and we respect the fact that people come at things from different lanes, and a lot of times they want to get to a similar end, similar solution.
The ones that don't want to get to the end of the highway, don't want to get to the end of this series of lanes, they're the ones that are dishonest.
Yeah, because, I mean, come on, Dave, you're supposed to think this way, and you look a certain way, and, you know, wow!
Why are you this way?
But you know what?
More people...
Over the years, you've known me.
When I did the night show, and whether it was talking politics or values or talking about drinking a bourbon on the air or having a piece of pizza, people came along for what was there in the show.
And then I would hear from them, wow, I finally saw you on TV.
You're black.
And then their next comment, well, it doesn't matter to me.
I've chosen to cross different parts of the media world, done the work so that I'm qualified to be in each one.
I never considered my color the issue.
I considered my qualifications the issue.
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Well, David, you know, that's a whole nother long conversation about white privilege and things that you have the privilege of doing that people of color don't have the privilege of.
You're talking to a black man who started out in rock radio in Boston, who crossed the paths into hip-hop, rebuilding one of the greatest black stations in America.
And went on to work for Fox News, where I'm told apparently blacks aren't supposed to work, but yet you come with this assumption and you go to white privilege.
That's actually insulting.
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It is, and I apologize because my people gave me wrong information.
So let me give the quick version of the back story of this.
One, they pitched my producers to come on my show.
And when you get a pitch, you look up your guests.
You go, okay, what have they written?
What stories?
What have they appeared on?
Google.
Come on.
Whatever search engine.
You get some information and somewhere along the way you'd find out that, oh, that's the David Webb, happens to be a black guy.
That's not what happened here.
They pitched me.
She came on.
We had a, I don't know, we'll say this, we had a good conversation about William Barr's nomination and everything and the differences of opinions on jury, you know, jurisprudence and other things.
And then it went to this idea where we talked about success and all of these issues that led to our commentary.
And I said to her, I said, look, I started out, and my color wasn't a factor.
You just heard that.
Started out in rock radio, went through all these things.
And I realized after, when I went back and listened, everything I said to her, according to the way her mindset works, told her that I had to be white.
But it also said something else.
If you're black, you can't achieve these things based on the way she thinks, which is insulting.
She heard the things that fed what she expected of a white person, but never thought anyone can achieve this, and that's the difference between me, you, and her.
So I don't wanna, in any way, see, she's not here to defend herself, so I don't wanna make this too much about her, but that mindset, do you think that after you said, well, you know, I'm black and the rest of it, do you think that that might've dinged Her way of thinking a little bit.
I think it got through to people online, because that clip went viral.
It was a deflection, which is different than an apology, obviously.
When she did that, I gave her the chance for a conversation.
When I was asked, do you accept her apology, I said, I really don't, but what I'm offering her is a conversation, and I have offered her the chance to come back, and she never came back.
So the story's not just a clip of what she said and why she said it, but the fact is that she avoided the conversation that was offered based on what she asked for.
And what she agreed to.
And that, to me, is a level of, I have to say, dishonesty.
Because if someone does that to me, you know what?
I'm going to be mad enough, or maybe a host enough, or a guest enough, whatever term you want to use, to go in and say, I'm going to come and present my point and defend it, if I believe in it.
Yeah, well, it shows what I would say is just the thinness of the argument, because she could make an argument with her preconceived notions, then once they're blown apart, you say, all right, let's talk it out for an hour, no problem.
Disappears, and we often see that.
You get the accusation that you're a sellout or this one's a racist, and then the second you push back, boom, they disappear.
They look to de-platform you or whatever else is left.
But, you know, I want people to take something from it, not just the audio clip, which, you know, they've heard, and the stories that went all over.
The story here is that offer someone a conversation, challenge them to come in, but use it to tell others that this is why you shouldn't assume, believe, or at least be willing to engage.
And that was really what I took out of it, and I deliberately kept the story going from my perspective for others, not for her, because it was no longer about her.
It's like comedy, it's like, that's what everyone says, don't do it, but if you can do it and survive, it's pretty great.
You get to do what you love for a living.
I mean, were you seeing, I mean, the premise that she had there, that you would be fighting racism the entire time, going up through your career, did you see it the entire time?
Everybody has different experiences, and my belief system is part of our experiences are how we interact with the world.
A couple bullet points.
When I started in radio, I started in rock radio.
Because I love the music.
I grew up knowing a lot of the artists, so it was a natural fit.
People didn't see me because I could talk about something they cared about.
So I could sit down with a long hair, earring, tattooed guy at a Poison concert in 1987 with Lita Ford and White Snake, you know, or Joe Cocker, Stevie Ray Vaughan, and we could talk about things.
Amazingly, nobody kind of went to color.
Because once you remove the veil by how you act, people may have a moment, but they tend to come over to your side.
And when I went to Entertainment Talk, and when I did a show with Willie D from the Ghetto Boys.
Alright, conservative David Webb, Willie D, ghetto boys, gangster rap, out of the 5th ward in Houston, and we don't agree on politics, but we agreed on something, which was we were trying to save people in the black community, and Willie, I gotta tell you, was one hell of a good guy on that.
Yeah, thank you, that was, you'll get your little tip on that.
Sight-sighted over there.
But I write about this in my book, because I talk about my political awakening, and one of the key moments of the whole thing When I was on the Young Turks, far left network a long time ago, and I was still a lefty, but I had this inkling that something was not right.
That it couldn't be that everyone they disagreed with was racist, it couldn't be that they were so right and everyone else was so wrong, and then one day we're doing a, there's four of us I think on the panel, and I believe you were guest hosting for Sean Handy that night.
And I'm on the panel with, I think it was three white guys, and they're all going, so they didn't know that I knew you, and they're all going, this David Webb guy, he's a self-hating black guy, and he's a sellout, give me some of the terms that you hear.
Well, I believe that Fox News' Uncle Tom, that was the one that really, because this was the whole idea I had sold out because black people didn't belong here.
Right, so I hear them saying all these things about you, little do they know I'm your friend, and I'm watching them say these things, and you know, he doesn't believe any of this stuff and all that, and we've worked through these issues so many times that I know you are Honest and decent and believe the things that you talk about.
And suddenly it hit me because then I look to this guy to my left and I think, who's the bigot here?
Who's really the bigot?
Here is a black man who's saying what he thinks and you, the privileged, in your own words, white guy, you're upset that a black man thinks something different than you want them to think.
Who is the racist?
And it really was one of the final straws for me before I fully went into this crazy mode or whatever you wanna call this thing now.
I've known you long enough and I think I can say this, you're honest.
And honesty and integrity is the core of what we do.
Whether you're talking about, I don't care what the topic is or what the format is, If you have integrity and you have a point of honesty that stays there fixed, you know, the old true north, that's going to be your belief system.
The other thing is...
I've known you long, so you believe in doing the things, trying, seeing what they're all about.
I think I'm pretty close on that.
And I believe in the same thing, because I've been in these situations before, like the Areva situation.
I've been in the situations like you talk about, and it's because I've gone out and looked around and taken a chance by experimenting with what's the idea, how do I counter it, can I substantiate or defeat the argument?
And if I'm honest with myself and you're honest with yourself, eventually you see the dishonesty around you.
Or the unwillingness to even engage in it.
And that's what they were trying to do with the Young Turks because the video went viral and we covered it on TV.
How did a Democrat... Fiscally conservative, strong believer in the Constitution, that we can have our differences, old-school Daniel Patrick Moynihan-style Democrat.
What do you make of, I'm glad that you mentioned Daniel Patrick Moynihan because when people ask me what kind of liberal I still believe that I am, it's getting harder to say it, but what kind of liberalist am I?
I always say, I say JFK and Daniel Patrick Moynihan.
He literally did, but he wanted to be out there with the people, where now politicians really seem so disconnected from the people, and he had that feeling.
And Philip would have receptions at his business, and I won't put his last name into it for the sake of—a big, big player in the country, in law and other things.
And he would have Ed Koch.
And he would bring—you name it—into this room, and we'd all meet, we'd all talk, and we'd all eat, and we'd share ideas.
You know, spend some time with Rudy.
I've known Rudy Giuliani for years.
And Rudy and I, again, just, you know, probably, what, a week ago or so, and over the last several weeks, we've been talking about mayors.
We'll sit out for dinner.
It usually ends with cigars and scotch and having a good time.
And he recognizes Ed for who he is, and he recognizes Bloomberg for who he is.
Yeah, but I think that those guys that you're talking about, that is that middle that I think a bunch of us now are trying to give some energy to, and I do believe it's working, so that's what makes us wanna do it.
But do you, you wouldn't prefer that that, Daniel Patrick Moynihan or Ed Koch or JFK returned strongly to the Democrats, right?
Even if it costs you guys, let's say the Republicans, you would still prefer to have an honest broker to deal with, right?
Over the years, from Ron Paul, who I think failed the Libertarians massively because he didn't build an infrastructure, I've said to Libertarians, build your state parties, find a few key states, build an infrastructure, because in politics you need an infrastructure, and grow your party so they can have a debate.
You can have a real third party, a viable third party.
One, like you, I believe in the Constitution and the system.
And when I was a kid, my father said, you know, and I don't remember the exact words, but basically real strength, real conviction, is that when something doesn't benefit you, is it the right thing?
You know, in other words, so the Constitution is my guide.
And the fact that we can have this debate and the ability to correct in this country.
We have a cultural DNA in the Declaration of Independence.
We have a legal DNA in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
And we have the Federalist Papers and other things.
But what it frames is this idea that the country can self-correct.
The Supreme Court can make a decision.
The other branches can get involved with their respective roles.
And we can correct things.
We've fixed things in this country.
And it's difficult, and it should be.
We don't want easy flip-flops.
So I don't fear a libertarian party that strong.
I want it because I think it can help the other parties self-correct.
You know, more strength, more voices, not less.
More strength, to me, is better.
A strong nation is less challenged by outsiders.
Would I want a weak nation?
Well, I want a stronger nation.
And we can weather the challenges.
As for the socialists, we do have an issue here in this country.
And I think there is a level of ignorance, willful ignorance, And once you've lost a chunk of that, how do you get it back?
The thing is when it magnifies enough and it gets a loud voice and it's used and abused
by many out there who actually don't even know the difference, that's a danger.
Because what it does is it robs people of the part of their life, especially when you're younger,
when you should be building towards your future.
And once you've lost a chunk of that, how do you get it back?
So what I would prefer is if education would get everybody to the point of understand the Constitution, understand the documents you just laid out so that we are free first.
Decades of building a political system that's based on a career, not service.
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Building a support system in a bureaucracy and call it large interest, whatever that interest may be that supports the bureaucracy.
We have a system that more resembles a dinosaur in too many ways, which is a small brain, a huge animal, an inefficient system, and one that doesn't recognize it's received a death blow on one end of the body because the brain is not equipped for it.
And that's what I see and where we are now.
The self-correct on this I think it's more evident in parts of the country that don't get the attention.
Lyman, Wyoming, Cheyenne, somewhere out in Paxton, Nebraska, in other areas, where people don't wake up every day and see things the way you and I do, don't check the Twitter of the president, don't check Sanders, they don't live in this.
Those are the people we have to engage.
I still believe, and I see it anecdotally, and I think it's supported by a lot of the studies, that there are more people in this country that if they're engaged are that silent majority.
Now whether they're right or left, I think they fall more in the American cultural value system.
They don't fear freedom, but maybe they don't understand fully the risk and reward that comes with freedom.
There's risk.
There's risk when what you're describing happens when we go upside down.
When it comes to freedom, we've got to realize that its inherent risk and reward is why it works.
And I think there are more of those people out there that are coming to that center.
The problem is they haven't been engaged properly by either party, and they need to be brought into it.
What do we do then to make a more, let's say, inclusive right?
This is one of the interesting things that I find right now.
Most of my audience is, it's a little hard to say, but I would say it's something like half of my audience is probably former lefties, and a huge percentage of those people, they're still like, ah, those people on the right, like I may think the left's nuts, but those people on the right are really nuts.
But that's what I'm trying to show them, that it's not the case.
Because what I have consistently seen is that the right, while not being perfect and nothing is,
something like gay marriage, for example, the right now has basically,
well, nobody talks about gay marriage anymore.
Nobody's fighting for gay marriage to be reversed.
There is literally nobody doing it.
The voices in the Republican Party that were rabidly against it, say a Mike Huckabee and a Rick Santorum, really have no power in the Republican Party anymore.
I've seen an ability to be flexible intellectually on the right.
What is it that you guys can do to further that, if you think that that's a good thing to do?
Yeah, and we're really seeing that now with the generation behind the Millennials, you know, the 16-year-olds now who are not, you know, the 22-year-old social justice warrior.
I wanted to bring up Candace related to all of this.
So it seems to me that part of the reason that the Democrats are now screaming about reparations is because Candace Owens has been so almost single-handedly effective at talking to the, I hate the phrase, the black community or the gay community.
I just hate that.
But talking to black America, let's say, which also has its limits as a phrase.
But talking to black people and just saying, she always says it, she says, it's the least, what I'm really saying is the least controversial thing you could say, which is black people don't have to be Democrats.
So she always says her message actually, even though she can throw some firebombs out there for sure, her message actually is incredibly uncontroversial in a normal society, but it seems to me that she caused such upheaval in the way that the media talks about black people, and that after Kanye tweeted that thing, That suddenly all the hit pieces on Kanye.
I'll leave that on the table with him because I watched his history to where he got.
But here's what's happened in a large part in the black community and in the American community, because I like you, I don't like the segregation, but I recognize the reality of what it is.
Blacks and whites and any other ethnic group in America have started to look at their personal life and their economy and their opportunity more than they're looking at parties.
So the message will resonate more when a Candace Owens steps up and says, step away.
What did Trump do during the campaign cycle?
It was blunt, but it was, what the hell do you have to lose?
And you know what, how many people say, something's not working in my life, what the hell do I have to lose, let me try something else.
It was that recognition that something's broken, right?
Somebody pulled a fire alarm, there's a problem.
Everybody's running around, their hair's on fire, lights and sirens are going off, but they already knew something was wrong, so now they're wondering, So what do you do if you're a left, that I call it the regressive-progressive left, what do you do?
You now have to create enemies and fear.
And fear works.
You tell people, you don't have it because those damn Republicans, I know you've been living in Baltimore with 50 years of liberal rule and West Baltimore is a S-hole and this is it because you're living with it, but it's the white guy living over in Howard County's fault.
How come when the black criminal uses the gun to commit a crime in a majority black neighborhood, it's the criminal's fault, but when the white guy uses a gun, it's the gun's fault?
More and more kids Whether they're still getting the same images or getting more images, more imagery, more information on smartphones, on tablets, on computers.
Little by little, that is piercing the veil.
And whether you're in a bad neighborhood, good neighborhood, everywhere in between, you know, that information's out there.
So we have a job to do, you and I.
Give people the information, help guide them.
Yes, our beliefs are our beliefs.
We have a right to push those out there, but help guide people to not only listen to why we believe what we do, but at the same time, go figure out what your beliefs are and then substantiate them.
And technology, media, social media, all of this, look, it can be misused, abused, and it is, but it can be used and targeted.
Where are you at on the regulation of the big tech companies?
Because it's a really fascinating one right now, but you've got Tucker Carlson, I'll do this hand, you've got Tucker Carlson on the right, and you've got Elizabeth Warren on the left, both calling for the same thing, which is a pretty fascinating political spot.
And I think maybe I told you this privately, but when I went to YouTube and I met with Susan Wojcicki, the CEO of YouTube, in the conference room we're in, I said, I'm basically the last guy not calling for regulation.
I'm still trying to play the libertarian thing.
I'm still trying to find market answers to this.
But that's becoming an increasingly more minority position.
I don't want government stepping in And having a hand in something because you can never get their hand out of it or you can rarely get their hand out of it.
And I know others that are working on competitive models.
So whether it's five years, 10 years, they will have something in competition or they will evolve or age out.
That's the nature of business.
And I think that can work.
But government getting involved is a danger because of this simple reason.
If you're a congressman, it's a two-year cycle.
If you're a president, it's four, maybe eight years.
If you're a senator, it's six years.
So they think in cycles.
And when the cycle changes, their solution, which rarely is the one you want, is more dangerous because somebody else can come along and change it, misinterpret it, write a new regulation, and ignore The basic principles of let it work out.
And I say this to Republicans, I get it.
Look, my Facebook page somehow just basically, people don't get my feeds.
For a year plus, I've been effectively shut down.
I literally have lost 90% of my reach at times.
Yeah, they changed some metrics, but I didn't lose 90% overnight.
Right, and the fact that they're so untransparent makes you half the time think you're a conspiracy theorist, and then in a weird way, they're playing off that, right?
They never give you any information so that they go, oh, we changed the algorithm a little bit, it's a fan page, you're supposed to pay.
They're always trying to keep you guessing so that you don't even feel comfortable talking about it because you don't want to sound like a crazy person.
difference between conspiracy and reality for me is probability and
possibility. What is probable, what is possible, and on the ends you have, you
know, the reality which we may never know and the conspiracy. I don't want
government becoming the overlord of any publishing platform.
However, I do want the antitrust regulations to be reviewed.
I do want the responsible bodies, with oversight that we've elected them to do, to go in and say, okay, technologies have evolved, companies have evolved, does antitrust mean this?
Are they acting like a monopoly and a monolithic body and are others allowed into the marketplace?
Which is different than Facebook saying to Instagram, I want to buy you, that's fine.
So your premise, your starting point, I would say, is basically the libertarian position, but then you're just saying this has gone so extreme that you kind of have to do some stuff that you don't want to do.
But even just, okay, let's even just go back to the Constitution and when it was really, and the Bill of Rights, and when that was put in place.
In these years that this country's been around, what have we gotten right over what we've gotten wrong?
We've evolved.
We've reversed the blight of slavery, the Atlantic slave trade, women's rights under Calvin Coolidge, by the way, a Republican, and his wife, Grace Coolidge, who fought for that.
Look at all the things we've done and what we've exported.
We've exported ideas and freedom.
The nation's imperfect because we're imperfect.
We'll make mistakes.
But our ability to correct them is based in something that's the core of this country.
And I have more faith in that than I do in the others.
Now that doesn't mean we don't need, you know, sheepdogs out there.
To watch for the wolf who's hiding in the woods.
And it doesn't mean that we don't have to protect, because the fact is, the majority of people are sheep.
Not in necessarily a bad way, I'm not insulting all people, but the majority of people go along in their daily life.
They make it work.
They make the economy work, the engine work, they drive the trucks work, and the stores work on Wall Street.
But sheepdogs are the ones who look out for what's right and what's wrong, even if they don't agree with it.
That's why I'm afraid, when I say it, I'm afraid of politicians in this sense.
They think in cycles.
And we need long-term thinking.
If a company makes a decision economically on a factory or something based on a 20 to 30 year projection of trends and supply lines and distribution and avenues for their products, whatever the case may be, why are we thinking in two, four and six year periods?
Yeah, I am a Trump supporter, and I, you know, knowledge of him before he was president and now, and what I do or may not disagree with or agree with, but I have seen him do something amazing in this country.
He broke the emergency glass and said, they're not working for you.
He didn't say Republicans, they're not working for you.
Democrats, they're not working for you.
Came down the escalator and said, Folks, it's not working.
Yeah, is there anything that just personality-wise or anything that worries you or you feel it's a little playing with fire or something like that?
Because for all the lefties that I told you about before that are coming, that are saying, okay, conservatives, we got you, you're not what we thought, libertarians, you're certainly not what we thought, there's this other firewall or something that's related to Trump that I think, Anybody that big a figure.
He made it a weapon, because otherwise he would be constantly assailed and have no outlet.
And media failed here, because if media was fair, I really believe there would be less of this barrage.
If you've been under assault, and he has, he has been under assault, and he's a counter-puncher, and yes, he's big, and look, bigger-than-life television personality, personality as a whole, who he is from his young age.
I kind of go, that's it.
But what I do is I go underline, like the river.
Here's this big, rough water up top.
And then you go longer and you see what runs deep.
The policies, the work being done by the agencies, HUD, the Small Business Administration, changes in regulation, unleashing parts of America that need to build, that can outlast his presidency.
Full disclosure, I'm part of the Committee to Unleash Prosperity, founded by Forbes, Kudlow, Laffer, and more.
And before Trump, We were working on this pro-growth policy approach.
We all have our roles.
I'm not the economist.
I can convey the policy message.
But this is what was put in place.
Bring in a team of rivals, find a way to swim with the sharks, try to make it so that the foundation changes, evolves, and is better, and then let that go to work.
And when you're out of the White House, because he will be, despite all the people that think he's not leaving the White House.
Look, there are times I'm just like, Donald, please don't.
But when you talk to the guy and you sit in a room and I know people that have known him a lot longer than I have, you have this different personality.
And I think that's not that different from any of these public figures.
People that watch these shows, that watch your show, it's like, there's a beauty, in a weird way, for as hysterical as everyone seems, there's a beauty right now, because people are actually reevaluating what they think, they're reevaluating what side they're on, they're reevaluating who they can talk to.
So there is a beauty to it that is under the layer of craziness, but sometimes I am worried that the obsession with all of this, the obsession with either what Trump tweeted or the latest stupid thing that AOC said, it's keeping us really off balance just as people, or it's just not healthy for a society.
If you, when I say you, the person, don't understand it for what it is, or at least try to, maybe none of us, I think, fully understands, even ourselves, because we all grow, evolve, different experiences.
And, you know, social media and all these components are not that.
This, with people watching, and I hope they're interacting with us by thinking for themselves at the same time, excuse me, same time, that's real life.
And realize that these are tools.
People, you know, they, hey, you get it on Twitter.
You're this, you're that.
I have an entire file, but I don't keep the file because I need to know the file.
I keep the file because I'm like, Wow, that was pretty, I go back, clever, you need to improve on that, can you do better, I've heard that one before.
I gotta ask you, I don't know that I've ever asked you this, your voice, which is an all-star radio voice, did you always have that deep, gravelly, I know you've had some surgery over the years on your throat and stuff, but did you always have that from when you were a kid?
Yeah, I played around with the drums a little, the piano, you know, typical things.
But I know music in all its forms.
There's classical that I like, there's rock, there's metal, there's hip-hop, there's... But I always seem to fall into music and entertainment.
When Rapper's Delight came out of East Orange, New Jersey, I was in high school at the same time DJing, so we got to know each other.
When KC and the Sunshine Band were coming out, when all these things were coming together, I was in New York for the music scene.
When, you know, late nights at the Palladium, when Blondie would come in, when Pat Benatar, Billy Squire, the Ramones, Joey and Dee Dee, you know, when all this thing, the China Club, late nights, Nordoff, Robinson.
up with this. And what I have a love for is I respect art.
Same way you respect a painted or a beautiful classic car. It's a creation. So I
always love that. I love music. It's how I get away. You get away for a month. I
crank it up and I go and I will go through the moods, man.
I will put on Mussorgsky and play Pictures at Exhibition, or I'll put on the ELP version and listen to Greg Lake, who was a longtime friend, play his version.
Just, it depends.
It's like bourbon and scotch, it's my mood, it's lifestyle.