Dave Rubin returns after a 33-day digital detox, discussing algorithmic manipulation and the "Bubba Effect" while Glenn Beck hosts. They debunk false headlines like Trump buying Greenland and critique media narratives regarding Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar's Israel visit controversies. The duo analyzes mass shootings through an environmentalist lens, debates Nordic societal re-engineering, and promotes Rubin's new censorship-free app before concluding with their upcoming Beverly Hills appearance amidst predictions of silent, coded supporter interactions. [Automatically generated summary]
But the idea of just jumping right back into the internet, just this machine that people like us live on, but that we all live on to a degree, is a little, like I'm actually having a little bit of anxiety right now.
I took two weeks off, had the same exact feeling, to where you're like, I don't know if I want to stick my toe back into that, because you know it's, I mean, Yeah, we'll get to some of that.
Well, you know, the thing is that, look, I love what I do, and I've realized, one of the things that I really realized this month, or last month, is just how blessed I am to just do what I think is right and what I want to do, and it's growing, and I'm gonna make a couple announcements at the end of this about Things that we're expanding on and all that, and it's fantastic, but then there's this other side of it that is really making people crazy, and we all kind of know it, and we talk about it, right?
And I talk about it with a lot of guests about, you know, just the way Twitter is, and the fighting, and all of these things, and the way politics is devolving, but then when you really step away from it, and I had a couple days on a beach, and I would watch people that were just, you know, laying out at the beach, oceans crashing in front of them, And they're staring at their phones the entire time.
I want to talk to you about taking that time off, and I want to explore what you just said, how people look crazy, because I think we are going into some sort of an insanity with all this.
But I just want to give I want to give the audience a sneak peek, and you.
They will know the answer to this if they've been paying attention, but you will have no idea.
And as I was preparing last night, I thought, I could read these headlines.
If I had been unplugged, I could read these headlines and I would have absolutely no idea which was true and which was false.
Before I give you the answer, I just have to say one thing about Trump, because when you're off the grid, you realize that not everyone is talking about Trump all the time.
Well, the funny thing is, so for a couple of the days, so I really, even though I wasn't online doing things, I was working in my own way.
And as you know, my book got released right before I left and I was doing things related to that and editing and a bunch of other stuff.
But for a couple of days, we went away, and we were at this resort, and I'm doing the beach thing, and in the mornings, they would give all the people a sheet of paper with the news, in whatever language people were saying, the French one, Italian, English one, and the only thing I saw all month was, I just saw two words, Trump vows, and then I looked away, and I just thought, whatever it is, vows to blow up Greenland, or buy Greenland.
Yeah, blow up hurricanes, whatever it is, it's like, man, it'll happen whether I pay attention, So to answer your question, the cardboard cutout triggering AOC, that sounds very legit to me.
Trump saying he's going to blow up a hurricane sounds like the type of thing that he would say to trigger the entire media and then make it sound like he thinks he can blow up hurricanes.
And then the other one was that he said he's going to buy Greenland.
That's funny to me, that one sounds like, the hurricane one sounds so stupid that I think it's real.
The AOC one sounds within pretty much the rhythm of everything.
And I said that to a lot of people in this last month, because everywhere I went, people couldn't believe that I was doing it.
So no matter where, if I went to the supermarket, you're not going to believe this.
When I went to the supermarket, I had to write on a piece of paper the things that I knew I had to buy because I didn't have a phone with me, a note section.
So I would write, I would take a pen and a little notebook and I would write out lettuce, you know, chicken, et cetera.
And people would literally come up to me.
I mean, this happened every day, no matter where I went and said, come on, your phone's on you.
I know your phone's on you.
And I would be emptying my pockets.
I'd go, I got nothing.
I got a wallet.
I did have my wallet.
But what I really realized is I need a phone for GPS.
I have no sense of direction.
I could walk out of my own house and get lost in it in a minute.
So I guess if that's using the internet or whatever that is.
That's using satellite.
Right, so I did use that, but that really was it.
But what your wife said, or what you said to your wife about the 10 years ago, this is how we all behaved, that really was rattling in my brain a lot because We don't do a day without it now, and maybe some people do, right?
Ben Shapiro does Sabbath Off, so he's doing a 24-hour operation, and obviously people have religious reasons to do it.
There are some detox, social media detox camps popping up and things like that, but what I realized was, and this is, by the way, the third August that I've done this, but as my Whatever you want to call it.
As my profile has increased or whatever, it's gotten increasingly harder because I have more responsibilities now and we just made a couple new hires this week that I'm going to talk about later and a few other things.
But the never-ending need to be connected is the crazier part.
It's not the GPS part.
It's like this constant You know, you go to the supermarket and when you're checking out, nine out of ten times you're most likely looking, I can only speak for myself, I'm most likely looking at my phone.
And I'm not paying attention when the cashier says, hi, how are you?
And I'll just mumble something back.
So this is gonna sound crazy, but just literally the amount of eye contact that I've made with people, you know, just in stores, saying hello to people, like just being gentle.
And especially when I'm in this room and I'm doing this, I really can do it because you've moved a lot of, you know, it's funny that thousands of people watch this, but it feels like we're alone, right?
But like getting rid of that, that constant, Distraction.
Even though I think generally I have a pretty healthy attitude towards it.
But not thinking about any view counts or I'm watching people liking things constantly while you're sitting on a beach and you're just waiting for the likes to roll in.
So somebody you don't really care about halfway across the world, click the button.
Well, one of the things I was thinking a lot about, and this will get to something that I'm going to announce in the second half of all this, is Like the YouTube situation, for example, where we both put content on YouTube, we're streaming on YouTube right now.
We're just outsourcing basically all of our creativity to these companies that we really have no idea what's going on.
The more I stepped away from it, the more crystal clear it came.
And I think you and I are pretty much aligned on that we don't want the government coming in and breaking up these things.
Although I do think there's an interesting argument now that the founders could have never envisioned a power greater than government, and perhaps Google is greater than government now.
So I think there's philosophically some interesting things to talk about there.
But what I realize is that You know, YouTube really is, all it is is a search engine that's throwing videos at you.
We have no idea how they're manipulating all of these things.
And I know I was talking about all this stuff for the last year or two before, but when you really step away from it, and you start looking at it.
And it really, more than anything else, as I said, I felt very, I just felt very appreciative all month.
The people were nice.
I didn't have one bad experience, truly.
I did not have one.
I had two minor family health-related things that are okay now, thank God.
But I didn't have one negative experience with the human.
I didn't go to Ikea and anyone telling me to go fuck myself or whatever they're telling me on Twitter.
Every experience, every person that came up to me, every person that I talked to about this or that, the friendlier with waiters, just little things like that.
I think we've... I felt calmer.
I feel calmer now, although I can feel the walls kind of coming in.
Well, and then the algorithms that are manipulating us to think different things, and we just, Again, even though this is stuff that I've thought about for a long time and we've talked about on both of our shows, when you really step away from it, you think, well, this is just a search engine that's delivering you these things, or the way that we get any of this information, or that we trust that the Twitter feed isn't manipulating us this way, or shadow banning us this way, or that this video is getting out to the right person this way.
We have outsourced so much of our ability to think clearly, not because we can't think about things where we don't want
to, that's the other thing that I really realized.
People really, really want to start thinking clearly again.
I mean, that's why I wrote my book, and I think that's why it did pretty well nine months
before it's even on the shelves.
And that's really like, I know I am dedicating the rest of my life to this.
That kept popping up in me.
You know when you're just sort of, you're on the right path, and I'm gonna make mistakes along the way and all of that, but that people would come up, so I'll tell you this, this is gonna sound, it's gonna sound disgustingly self-aggrandizing, but when I came back from this trip that I went on, I was getting through customs here at LAX, and the border agent, I handed him my passport, and he did a double take, And he took his glasses off.
He had sunglasses on, I think.
He took his sunglasses off and he looked me right in the eye and he said, Dave Rubin, you're an American hero.
I do not think of myself as a hero in any way or anything even remotely close to that.
But he said, what you're doing for free speech and blah blah blah.
And I just thought, I shouldn't be.
I don't think I'm a hero, and I shouldn't be a hero.
I want to keep helping people like that, and it doesn't have to be people that are just Harvard professors or big TV stars or whatever.
There are so many more people out there that want to get these ideas across, and somehow through over the last five or whatever years, by me just talking about what my own evolution was, I created something that we're sitting in my garage right now, and it's pretty cool.
But you know, again, just to jump back to that 10-year thing about how much everything's changed, it's just also about the rate of speed that it's changing at.
We have no idea.
Jordan actually talked about this a little bit in some of the shows.
We have no idea This thing that I haven't had on me for the last 33 days.
How fast, being slammed with so much information and real news and fake news and manipulated bots and the rest of it.
How much it is changing us so quickly that I don't think we've even come close to realizing what it's gonna do to us.
And that's the thing, I mean, I'm not that old.
In June, I turned 43.
43 or 44?
How old am I? 43.
And, jeez, I really bumped off the train.
You stopped counting, I know, I know.
I turned 43, and I told the story a couple times, but I remember the first time I saw the internet in pictures.
At first, I remember a vague thing at the beginning of college when it was, this is around 94, and it was just text.
I had an email address.
It was just a bunch of numbers.
I didn't know what I was gonna do with it.
But I remember sophomore year of college, kid down the hallway starts screaming, he's on the internet, he's on the internet.
and a bunch of us go into his room and there's the computer and it has a Yankees logo and a Royals logo.
It says, "Yankees three, Royals one."
And I swear to God, I remember saying to him, "This is the stupidest thing I've ever seen."
'Cause it was like, why wouldn't I watch SportsCenter to figure that out in two hours?
That was roughly 20 years ago, barely.
So it's like, this thing is happening so fast.
But it's not just that it's happening fast.
We don't know how to behave with it.
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And it's like, that's the other thing about the destruction part of all of this.
I was having lunch with... in regards to something else that I'll talk to you about that's happened here just in the last few days.
I was with Jason Blum.
You know who he is from Blumhouse, okay?
We were having lunch and we don't agree on a lot.
We love each other.
I mean, the first time, I think I had 20 minutes, he said, his secretary said in his office, this is like 10 years ago, we ended up, she came in, she's like, it's 5.30.
He's got to go.
And he's like, no, no, we're good.
Six o'clock.
He's got to go.
No, we're good.
We ended up having dinner at a steakhouse until like two o'clock in the morning.
Love the guy.
Just a different thinker and innovative guy.
Breaks all the rules.
We're sitting and talking about how crazy it is that we can't talk to each other, and we're allowing these fringes.
If you look at the world as like a football field, you got 15% on the Uber left and 15% on the Uber right, and the rest of everybody on the field is like, really?
We have to follow these guys?
I don't agree with either of those guys.
And it's not that you're a mushy middle.
You'll have real passions, but you're not the crazies.
And we're listening to those crazies because they now have a microphone.
Those people always exist.
They were Bob down at the corner of our street that we told our kids, "Hey, I don't know,
The problem with that though is that the institutions that we should trust have become so corrupt
that when you hear Bob screaming something crazy, often it's as truthful as what the institutions
are telling you, right?
So like the New York Times, for example, and I see this now 'cause they've gone after me
a couple of times, and the article about the radicalization to the alt-right, and my picture, my big head right there,
and my dad who's a New York liberal, a subscriber of the New York Times for over 45 years
has to open up the Sunday Times while he's getting a bagel in Long Island,
and one of his friends come up to him and say, "David's alt-right?"
I mean, that literally happened.
So when the institutions are crumbling to the point that they're peddling nonsense like that, well, the more they do that, then Bob starts looking kind of sane, and I think that that will be, It will definitely be my challenge, and I think it'll be the challenge for you, and for any of us that care about what we're talking about here, to reset some of this.
Yeah, I know, but all we have to do is speak the truth, and then ask them to go do their own homework, and reject things that sound too good, or make you feel so good, that's probably not entirely true.
I just did her, something else that's developed, just did her podcast.
My podcast on Bridget's podcast, me being interviewed by her, was banned from Facebook this weekend because it violated the community standards of Facebook.
You know, one of the things I noticed was when you take some time off and you can just kind of think a little bit and not just be slammed by information all the time.
I did feel a little bit like my brain was just kind of purging nonsense.
There were a couple times during the month that an old song would pop in my head that I haven't thought of in forever.
I'd be like, why did that just pop in my head?
It's because my brain was actually able to get rid of some of the garbage, but related to what you just said about Bridget and podcasts.
It's like, well, why are we giving them so much power?
What?
Well, I've got an answer to some of that right here that I'm going to talk about a little bit later.
So the last thing that I remember, just to give people a little context about timing and everything, the last story that I saw before I shut down the whole thing was that Mario Lopez of Saved by the Bell, and I believe Extra is the TV show he's on?
He said to Candace Owens, of all people, he said to Candace Owens on her show that four-year-olds that say they're transgender parents should probably think about that a little bit before necessarily endorsing it or whatever.
And it was his apology that was the last thing I heard.
Not the, he obviously said something that we all know to be true, but his apology was the last thing that I heard.
See, a story like that is where you really see the absurdity of the media, right?
Like getting out of Afghanistan, which should, every lefty in their right mind should be free.
Everyone, period.
We don't know why we're there.
The 9-11 hijackers weren't from there.
I understand why you'd want to get rid of the Taliban because of oppression of their own people and all that kind of stuff.
But, you know, also 9-11 was, you know, 18 plus years ago.
But, That type of story where leaving war, right?
That's what the left likes to get out of wars, right?
They're the peace people, isn't that what they say?
You've got to be all about that.
But Trump has created this situation where the media and otherwise somewhat clear-thinking people can take any position on anything as long as it's counter to him.
When I had Williamson on, I asked her about Trump calling off that strike.
I said, does he deserve any credit?
And she basically said no.
And I thought, And I treated her with the same respect I treat everybody else.
All my interviews, that's her opinion, that's fine.
But I thought, this is the inherent problem.
If another, your president had called off the strike, you'd be saying he deserves a Nobel Prize.
But the guy you hate calls off a strike because he didn't want something like 200 civilians to be killed, that's called a good thing.
Now you take the position, no, he doesn't deserve any credit for it.
And it's that sort of constant dishonesty.
It's that constant dishonesty that's keeping us going around in this, It's like a planet that's like looping around, something that just keeps getting faster and faster.
So you can watch videos just when it started, when I still considered myself a big lefty and all that,
where I was saying in my direct messages, I kept saying, you know,
if you keep calling this guy a Nazi, who's probably just kind of a New York corrupt businessman,
who's, you know, trying to, you know, get some power here, whatever it is,
if you keep calling him a Nazi, it's not what you're doing to him
That's gonna be the problem.
It's what you're doing to yourself, because if you keep saying, this guy's Hitler, well, now you've really painted yourself into a corner, because now Hitler does some good things, right?
The economy's kind of chugging along, we might get out of Afghanistan, we're not bombing Iran, you know, tax cuts, we've deregulated some stuff, some things that most of Americans think are pretty good.
Well, you can't suddenly be like, you know, that Hitler guy.
But that sort of, that absurd, over-the-top way of categorizing people, especially Trump, but hopefully we won't spend too much time on Trump here, but that thing, where they do that with everything, creates, it's not that, It's not what you're doing to that person, it's what you're doing to yourself.
You're putting yourself in a prison by doing that.
I'm not perfect, what I do in this room, and I'm sure I've dropped the ball on... What you and I do are opinions.
We are paid to filter through all the crap and say, this you should pay attention to, this you shouldn't.
And encourage our audience to do their own homework, and if I got it wrong, let me know, you know, or dismiss me as a coop because you've done your homework.
But isn't it interesting that- News is not supposed to be that way.
And you know, I always say this, but it's like, that's why what I said earlier about the institutions.
I don't want the New York Times to crumble.
I would prefer it didn't.
I would prefer it did its job so that we could make a distinction between the pretty decent things You know, because if we have no, let's say we have no level of gatekeeping whatsoever and no authoritative, somewhat trustworthy sources, then we're really screwed.
Because then Bob, who you were talking about, everyone's Bob.
And then it's like, well, how are we going to ever trust anything in this world?
How are we going to ever trust an election result or absolutely anything?
Alright, so now he has, I think it's called prorogue, he has asked the Queen to disband Parliament And Parliament has been disbanded by the Queen for five weeks.
And England, the left, the Labour Party, is all upset.
They're saying this is unprecedented.
It really happens every year.
They take about two weeks where the Prime Minister says, it's a pirogue and we're going to disband so you guys can take care of the local things.
We're not going to talk about national things.
You take care of the things you have to in your own district.
He says, no, we can't get any deal from Europe if we have Congress, I mean Parliament, constantly telling them, They need to understand I'm serious.
I'm going to pull us out of the EU.
It's the only way they're going to offer any kind of deal better than what we have is if they know I've got a little bit of a twitchy eye and I just might do it.
Hopefully some of those Members of Parliament will have gone back to their districts and done some of the things that you'd like them to do, like where I live in LA, off my exit over here by the 405.
I would love to, and David has actually contacted our local congressman, because there's a trash compactor, basically a dump by our exit over here, but I bet you what's going to happen is in five weeks some of those guys are going to go back to their districts, they're going to clean up some stuff, and Fascism is not going to arise because some politicians went back to their districts to talk to the people they're voting for.
It is both sides on that, because you could even think to Obama's first two years, when he had the Senate, he had the Congress, and he could have passed Obamacare that way, and he didn't, and he waited until after that.
So they all do it.
But I think the Brexit thing, which I was thinking a lot about the last couple of days, because Farage was there, it's like, if they don't do it, Now, I know I would have been for it if I lived there, from everything I understand about Brexit, because I, like you, I'm a small government guy and I would want the power to be back within my sovereign nation, right?
And nobody really pays attention to what really started it, but when you see it was a murder, an ugly, grisly murder that started it, and now it is turned into just basic human rights of, we want to be free.
And China, in the protest, they take these green lasers, and they're doing this to confuse all of the security cameras, and they're all wearing masks.
They look like Antifa, but they're not.
And they're wearing masks because all of the cameras are printing who they are.
But when you look at it, unless you want to get involved, and I don't, what do we do?
We're at this place.
I wish he was more vocal about it because that's the way Reagan and Pope John Paul and Margaret Thatcher collapsed the Soviet Union.
Is they spoke that way.
But at the same time, China has retaliated on our tariffs.
Trump took our tariffs up.
Apple and everybody took it up another, I think it's 25% now.
Horrible.
We are now approaching Smoot-Hawley record levels of tariffs.
China said, Oh, really?
We'll do this.
And they put, I don't remember what it was, $80 billion or some ungodly number.
We've kind of backed away from each other here for a minute, but if this isn't solved, this is not good for either of us.
China just printed $50 trillion of currency.
If you stack all the money in the world up, All the cash in the world that is 60 trillion, they just printed 50 trillion and dumped it into, half of it into their economy and half of it into our Wall Street.
What'll be interesting, I mean, this is, I can only comment that from a sort of, you know, sky level would be, it'll be interesting to see how the media either keeps things going or just drops it all together.
'Cause one of the things that I think all the time is that one of the media's biggest failures,
it's not just the misreporting and lying and misquoting and all that,
it's what they choose not to cover.
So then something happens somewhere in Hong Kong or in China or in Taiwan or anywhere else,
Greenland or Denmark, we know nothing about what their political system is,
we know nothing about their cultural system, the religious norms, any of those things,
but then I'm sure everyone on Twitter is now an expert in Taiwanese politics, right?
It's interesting for the Liberty crew, don't you think?
Because for a guy like you that doesn't wanna be an interventionist, but you care about Liberty and you care about individual freedoms and all that, that you said, well, you'd want Trump maybe to be a little bit more like Reagan or Thatcher.
But you can't do it just by speech because there has to be something behind it.
There has to be the idea that something could be behind it, right?
So it's an odd, I find that to be one of the interesting, most interesting sort of, or rich places for libertarians or liberty-minded people to debate about things.
Because it's like we care, I think we care the most about other people being free.
I want everyone to be free.
I don't care what color they are, what nationality they are, anything else.
One of the things I write about in the book is the bravery deficit, which is actually a phrase that I think Bridget Phetasy said to me that I'll credit her always with it, but that we are in such a situation of a bravery deficit.
That's the only reason anyone knows about what I do, and probably half the reason they know about what you do.
And I read Twelve Rules, but I was able to read a few of these.
We're all doing it, and that's what I mean about the speed of all of this.
It's so funny because all of the people that are constantly trying to destroy everybody online, they're the same people who post their whole life online.
And if you play by that rule, do you not think that some societal norm in 2032 is gonna make you look evil?
Do you not think that if you try to destroy everybody from the past and every political person who spoke to somebody else at some point, that they're not gonna come and take down the Obama library because Obama ran against gay marriage the first time, which he did?
What do you think the progressives of 2032 are gonna say about the progressives?
But when I say, send it on over, we can get an iPad in here.
Thank you.
It's like, where are the good liberals that go, sorry, Tlaib and sorry, Omar and AOC?
They're coming, so... Because if they can resurrect the Democratic Party in a sane liberalism, you know, as I've said, I'll have a mea culpa and I will gladly be like, wow, I was wrong on that whole thing.
He's like, I'm going to vote for Donald Trump because they've lost their mind.
This guy would never vote for a Republican, let alone Donald Trump.
And he told this friend of mine, there are a lot of people out in LA and Hollywood who aren't saying anything, but they're scared of these people that are saying, we're going to end the free market.
But this shouldn't surprise anybody because why won't, why do these women still show up with Farrakhan?
You know what I mean?
Because they know if you're on the left, there is no left that is too far left to be associated with.
You can always wiggle your way out of it.
But if the Democratic governor of Virginia, let's say, shows up in blackface, he's gonna get out of it too because he's a Democrat.
So you can always get out.
But if anyone on the right does anything, I mean, this is, For me to say all of this now, for me to be in the position that I am now in, is such an upending of everything that I always thought was right.
It's an upending of sort of like, it's like finding out that the rules of the game, like the word not was in front of all of them and you didn't know that beforehand or something like that.
By the way, I'd love to hear your—you don't have to comment on this now, but I'd love to hear your thought on Sank being the guy who was really instrumental in getting the squad— I mean, I've seen that video.
I mean, this guy had more on people, and I believe he may have killed himself because he knew once he's released into general pop what could happen to him, what you said, and what his life was going to be like.
I do believe that that is a big motivating factor if somebody wanted to kill themselves.
This is hearing it hearing that all that right there it's like that's exactly what I'm talking about about why why I pray that the media could actually yes reconstitute itself because we have to yeah because wouldn't it be Wouldn't it be your greatest joy, basically, short of something with your kids or your wife or whatever, but your greatest joy to be like, do you know that in honest, decent media, good people started to rise up, and now when something insane happens, where you can go down that conspiracy road forever, right?
That sounds far more realistic, some crazy conspiracy theory, than the two guys fell asleep and the camera went out.
But because we don't really have enough trust in any of these things anymore.
Have you seen that there's a still image of Zuckerberg from like five years ago where they take, somebody took a picture of him standing at his desk and he has his webcam covered by tape and the audio thing covered by tape.
and it's like, wait, and you don't let your kids on this, and Steve Jobs didn't let his kids on, right?
And doesn't Bill Gates not let his kids on social media?
You don't want to stop the growth of technology, but we have to stop and think.
Think.
I'm doing a show tomorrow on radio about this new technology, I think it's BCI, and it is now with Zuckerberg.
Zuckerberg and Musk are working on it.
They say now that through your neurons, they have an algorithm that can actually take your neurons and place them into words.
So now, whatever you're thinking... Oh, lovely.
Right?
And so Musk is saying, we have to have a new Bill of Rights of privacy, that your brain is your brain, your thoughts are your thoughts, and no one has a right to take them.
But that's why modern leftism and the progressives are so dangerous.
Because they're telling you all, they're hinting to us loudly all of the things that they will do once they have power because they believe state power is the answer.
One of the things that didn't come up in the news at all but I was doing, you know, because everybody was talking about the tariffs and how bad the economy is and the media is just talking it down.
And so I did some research.
I think it's Denmark.
I think it might be the people who just turned us down on Greenland, those bastards.
But one of those Scandinavian countries just took a trillion dollars of their sovereign funds and put it into U.S.
bonds and U.S.
stocks, U.S.
companies.
a trillion dollars of their sovereign funds because Europe is now at zero or below zero.
In Germany, you're going to lose money on their 50-year bond. It's so bearish that they're saying,
"I can't even promise you that in 50 years I can give you more money."
We're the only one producing, okay?
The stock market here is up 400%.
They're only at 67% of where they were in 2007.
All of these countries are flooding money into our stock market in our bonds.
It's the world saying, whether they want to say it or not, please America, hold it together.
I so, so I obviously, I didn't know about that story specifically, but I so believe the premise of what you're saying there about how the Europeans feel about America, which is, which is the reverse, not all the Europeans, of course, but it's the reverse of what the media, the media says now, oh, everyone's laughing at us.
Everyone thinks we're the laughingstock of the world.
When Jordan and I went to, we went to all the Scandinavian countries.
So we went to Denmark, we went to Sweden, we went to Oslo, we went to Norway, et cetera, et cetera.
And Sweden, the show, he was planning on doing one show there.
It sold out in two minutes, so we did another show in Stockholm.
And it was incredible because whenever you ask Bernie or one of the socialists, you ask them, what country would you like to be more like?
What do they always say?
Well, the Nordic countries, we'd like to be more like Sweden.
Well, we went to Sweden.
There was these people, of all the shows that we did, those two were the ones that stuck out to me the most because of the crowd.
The crowd felt desperate.
They were incredible crowds, the applause, the passion, all those things, but they felt desperate.
Jordan actually I won't try to totally quote him on this, but he gave a really interesting story about how what's happening there in the Nordic countries is they've done egalitarianism right.
Men and women are equal.
Nobody's debating any of this.
But then as time has gone on for decades, as this has been true, where men can do whatever they want, women can do whatever they want, that still because we have biological differences, sorry for being racist, that men... Sexist.
But the social justice warriors of the day, who are now, many of them are in Swedish Parliament, and they have the first, you know, feminist government and all that, they won't let truth, they won't let the way their own people, who were equal, have made choices, and men choose to be engineers and women Still not good enough.
It's still not good enough.
So now they want to go back in and re-engineer their country.
So that tells me that when I hear something like you just laid out economically, well of course it makes sense because the people there are being fed nonsense and then they're going, U.S., U.S.
I was there for maybe two days, and it's just unbelievable.
I was actually in a restaurant, and I was talking to this longtime resident from Copenhagen, born and raised, and we were talking about it.
I said, this is beautiful.
And she said, well, we're not really unique, you know, blah, blah, blah.
And I said, what?
And she said, well, that's kind of what they're teaching now, that we don't have anything unique, that other cultures are more unique than ours, and we're just kind of bland.
And I said, could you do me a favor?
Would you just walk outside with me for a second?
She said, why?
And I said, just walk outside with me for a second.
I walked out, sit on the sidewalk, and I said, you see all those buildings?
You see that architecture?
Nowhere in the world but here is that architecture.
Don't let anyone tell you you're not unique.
That doesn't mean you're better or worse, doesn't mean we're better or worse.
It just means you have something unique here. Be proud of it.
And the same people who say, oh, we want open borders, please come in.
Also, we'll tell you how horrible and racist and evil we are, thus propagating the idea that we're going to bring in people, tell them how oppressed they are, tell them how much they hate the system.
You know when I knew they were gonna boot her no matter what, because this is about how corrupt the DNC is, is when she started getting a little traction online.
You know, I've been pretty good, I think, at over the last couple years tracking when somebody starts getting a little something and you can sort of see it, because I've seen this with Jordan and so many of these people.
She started getting a little buzz, and next thing you know, BuzzFeed, conservatives secretly love Tulsi Gabbard, you know, like all these stories that suddenly the frogs and the trolls love her.
And it's like, ah, they got the memo.
She's starting to catch on with some interesting people.
But you know, there's a really ironic position for the Democrats right now, which is that someone like her who was really running as anti-war, that was her main thing.
Well, Trump has not been for war.
He called off the Iran strike.
We seem to be negotiating with North Korea.
Does anyone think we're gonna nation-build under Donald Trump?
Oh, you should have heard his speech, I think it was on Friday, when he talked about, and this is nowhere today, I couldn't find it anywhere, on the end of the Afghan war.
So you then, again, you get this like crazy situation that no matter what Trump says... Don't you think that's why people are starting to be uncomfortable because they're like, oh crap, I agree with Glenn Beck, or oh crap, I agree with Dave Rubin.
We're very close.
We don't agree on everything, but we have certain big principles in common that everyone else seemed to have abandoned.
Glenn, I'll give you two people that you know and like.
When Bridget Phetasy, when I did her podcast, was before you did her podcast, and she said to me that she, I mean, you could listen to it, where she says she was shocked that she liked you.
And the other one is my good friend Pete Boghossian, who I love and adore.
If he wanted to be president, he would have ran when Obama went out the first time, right?
He didn't want to.
The powers that be, whatever that is, I don't mean that in a conspiratorial way, I mean that the last remaining decent Democrats that were going, holy shit.
That were going, holy shit, we're about to hand this thing to AOC and Omar and the rest of these true radicals who are going to destroy everything that is good about America.
They looked around and they said, is there one decent Democrat?
His wife, two weeks ago, was meeting, was doing a fundraiser, and she said, look, I know there's a lot of candidates that you might like much more than my husband, but he's the only guy that can win.
Well, one of the things that I really hope I can do in the next year, and I'm becoming one of those people who says I write about this in my book, but I do write about this in my book, is one of the things that I want to see happen now is on the right, so not really like the libertarians, so like you, the libertarians are always decent and tolerant, I find, and all those things, but one of the things that I think would be interesting... Not always.
Because then it's like, how far do you want to go till we're in Mad Max?
That's what I would say.
But one of the things that I think would really help a lot of what you're concerned about here is, is if the conservatives could say, you know what, we're going to carve out a little more space for some secular conservatives, for some gay conservatives.
We don't have to agree with everything.
Even say a pro-choice conservative, which I know makes no sense in a certain way.
But we're going to carve out a little bit of space, not put it in the party platform, but just a space... Isn't that what Donald Trump did with Peter Thiel?
He stepped, he only did one interview, then he steps down.
The day he steps down, he does wall-to-wall interviews, which to me was kind of like, hey, I just want everybody to know, I'm the guy who said the FBI is dirty on this.
If I go missing or I hang myself with a paper sheet.
There's a couple of other things here that I think... Oh!
Here in Hollywood...
Deborah Messing and the other guy that played Will, she played Grace, they both came out and they said they want someone to dox all of the conservatives in Hollywood because they need a list that everyone can follow of who not to ever work with or employ.
You know, one of the last things that I saw before I went off was, do you remember Bette Midler tweeted this image of Trump at a rally and there were a couple black people, black supporters with the MAGA hats on and she tweeted something about their, you know, their sellouts or something.
And she even had a hashtag that sounded racist.
It was like black.
Whatever it was, it was like, and I retweeted it, and you know, her tweet gets a couple thousand retweets, and I retweeted it and said, you know, black people are individuals, and some may have different political views than you'd like them to have as a white liberal, and you know, blah, blah, blah.
And I invited her on the show, but you know, I would love to talk to her, but you know, I was being slightly kitschy or whatever.
But that, that thing where these celebrities, I took acting classes at one time, a long time ago.
They're nothing, they're nothing, they're just, The idea that Deborah Messing knows anything about anything, or Will knows anything, I can't even think of his name, but he knows anything about anything.
But I say that because over the course of the month that I was gone, I kept thinking, maybe I should pay less attention to Bette Midler.
But it's like when you see them say something crazy, you feel it incumbent on you to fight back, because you don't want people to be brainwashed by Bette Midler.
So I will say one thing quickly about YouTube that I think is the perfect way to get me to all this, which is you may remember that right before I went off, there was The Leaker, who was interviewed by James O'Keefe, and this Google insider said that one of the people they're censoring, specifically said, one of the people they're censoring is Dave Rubin.
So I made a big brouhaha on Twitter because that's all you can do.
I don't have an army of lawyers to attack them.
I don't have muscle behind me.
What can I do?
I can use my voice as a citizen to hopefully fight back.
I always find it funny when people say, ah, you libertarians, you're complaining.
You're not allowed to complain because you don't want the government involved, so you should just shut up.
And it's like, no, no, no.
That's the beauty of libertarianism or classical liberalism.
Use your voice without demanding that someone behave the way you want.
Anyway, I finally, I kept tagging Susan Wojcicki, I think, or Wojcicki, the YouTube CEO.
I tagged her a million times.
Finally, after thousands of retweets and people tweeting at her, she finally followed me.
I had a video chat with her off the record for an hour with one of her people there,
and I'm not gonna betray anything that was said 'cause it was off the record.
Then I said, you know, I happen to be coming to Silicon Valley, and I'd love to come to YouTube, and I went to YouTube.
We had another off-the-record conversation, and again, I will not betray that.
But I will say where I started this whole conversation an hour and a half ago.
All this thing is is a search engine.
This is not a home for thought to flourish anymore.
But what that also isn't saying to you, which is the real issue, is how do we manipulate algorithms?
How do we do all these things?
And again, I won't betray the author of the conversation, but I will tell you that I got no answers to any of the questions that I asked.
I'm just telling you.
You won't.
Anyway, so that is going to give me a segue to three things that I want to tell you right now.
There are three big announcements that I've been teasing for a long time.
One of them just happened in the last couple weeks.
It's sort of related to YouTube, but not directly.
And then we'll get to the YouTube one and the other one.
So first off, you may remember the story of young Kyle Kashuv, who has been on this show, who was the Parkland student from everyone knows from Parkland, Florida, the shooting who what really got him thrust into the madness of the mob was that they found years ago when he was much younger, that he had said some things on a student Google Doc and blah, blah, blah.
This is a kid who graduated number one in his class.
He was accepted to Harvard.
And then, of course, the document leaks.
This is a kid.
He was a kid at the time.
I think 15 years old, writing some trolly, nonsensical stuff.
You might have said some weird things when you were 15.
So while his friends now, going to Harvard or wherever they may be going, are gonna rack up how many hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of debt, Kyle will have a real job,
and I'm thrilled that we can afford him that opportunity, and I know this is just the beginning for him.
So that's just, that's number one.
Number two, you know all obviously about the YouTube censorship and the Twitter stuff,
and what happened with Patreon, and that Jordan and I and Sam Harrison,
a bunch of other people have Patreon and all that.
So the big debate, which philosophically, which we've hit on here a couple times,
for me has been, do you get the government involved or not?
So without rehashing that whole conversation, and you know my preference is that, I would not want that.
I did what I thought was the right thing, which is I started a tech company about six months ago, and we got, I went to literally one investor, one investor, I got investment, I started it with a really great startup guy that I know, and we are building a seriously awesome What will first be a Rubin Report app.
So we're building it because what I thought was I can't solve everyone's problems first.
I want to solve my problem first.
I want to make sure I can always communicate with my audience.
I want to make sure my audience can communicate with me.
I want to make sure my videos can be posted and if people actually subscribe they can see them and not be manipulated.
I want to figure out ways to have real community building where audience members can communicate with each other without fear of censorship or being destroyed.
I want to figure out how to monetize that properly so that subscribers, because you know, if you have a subscription service, you've eliminated 99% of the trolls, because you can say a lot of things about the trolls, but the trolls are cheap, and the trolls are, nobody's gonna pay me to troll me, but if you subscribe to me.
I'm not creating a platform for everyone where I'm gonna be hurting your free speech.
I just won't take your money, and bye-bye, you're gone.
So I think what we have built here is a huge community-based, subscription-based solution to what I think is the giant platform problem.
I think the platform, we've created an incredible terms of service, actually, which once we, we're going into beta, I'll explain that in just a sec, but once we perfect this for me, for the Rubin Report,
then we're gonna invite everybody to get their own app.
You will have a, Glenn Beck can have it, The Blaze can have it, any, you can be a gamer and have it,
a sports guy and have it, you can unbox videos or whatever the hell else they're doing on YouTube.
And you will be able to create your own terms of service for your own community.
This is, oh, and we're not keeping any of your data, period.
I will never sell your data, I don't want your data, I don't need this thing to scale
so that I'm worth a billion dollars.
So every one of the issues that everyone has been talking about all along,
I thought, I can't solve it for everybody yet, let's go small first.
So we've created a really great tech company.
So the reason I'm mentioning this is that, so everyone that's a subscriber of mine now
at support.daverubin.com, eventually will have access to the app.
Uh...
Um, and as of this week, we're going to go into beta launch where we're just selecting members that are going to help us test it through.
My team's been testing it.
It's really, it's cool.
When you see this thing, you're going to be impressed.
Like this is not some, you know, this is not some two bit thing.
Like we did something really cool here.
So anyone that subscribes now or whenever, support.daverubin.com, will have a chance of getting in the beta launch.
But then ultimately, I think, I really think this is it.
I think we did everything we could do.
Think about all the problems seriously enough for long enough.
And I met with enough people that we're gonna solve things at a small level first and then go from there.
Let the platforms do what they want and manipulate the algorithms and I don't need the government to stop coming in and raiding the YouTube offices.
I even said to Susan in her office, I said, you know, I'm the last guy that's trying to stop the government from getting you, so you might want to be a little more open to my ideas.
But in any event, let them do their thing.
We'll see what happens with Prager and Seventh Circuit, and I'm fine with us all fighting this on different fronts.
I'm completely fine with that.
We have to.
So anyway, so we go into beta this week.
We're going to select people that are current subscribers and any new subscribers, so anyone that subscribes right now.
I've said a few things here today, and I'll still play by the rules as they lay them out.
Lack of transparency, as they give us.
But I'm not leaving.
I'm gonna remain.
I'm remaining on Twitter.
I'm gonna keep using all of these platforms.
But what I felt was, if I can solve my problem first, really build a rich community where people don't have to be destroyed by the trolls and hated.
It's endless fighting.
I wanna treat my community, in my app, the same way that I've treated these conversations.
And I think we can get thousands of people, we already have several thousand people, but I think we can get thousands of people from all over the world That then also we'll be able to communicate with each other, and guess what?
Guess what?
When I do a show in your local town, instead of where I would never put it, I did it once on Twitter, where I said, I'm going out to this bar in New York City, and actually about 50 people came, and it was great, but that's not the most safe thing to do.
But if they're on my app, and we can, there's all sorts of business opportunities.
Our investor was a fan, who is one of my patrons, who lives halfway across the world, and he dug what I did, and said, if you ever come up with something one day, and then one day I came up with something.
So this is just the beginning of that, and I really believe that small is the new big.
So we're going into beta, so it's support.daverubin.com, and we're gonna just select people, but then everyone that's a subscriber will eventually get the app.
I think we're gonna probably go to market in about a month.
We've done some pretty good testing already.
And now finally, one other thing, Beck, and this is an interesting one.
Because normal people, when they enter a business relationship, you wouldn't announce it before you've signed the paper.
So I've been teasing to people for quite some time that I wanted to figure out other ways to distribute the Rubin Report because I, I don't know how many times I have to say it here, but without beating a dead horse, I don't, I just don't buy the YouTube game anymore.
So look, the Rubin Report is staying exactly where it is.
It's staying on YouTube.
The podcast is staying.
All my subscribers are still getting everything that they're getting.
But we will also be distributed on the Blaze.
We're going to tie some bonds between the incredible infrastructure that you've built, because I've told you when I've gone to the studios in Dallas, you guys have awesome sound stages and there's incredible things that we can do.
Yeah.
So anyway, the deal has not actually been signed.
Our lawyers were literally going back and forth for the last, you know, whatever.
But we did shake on it.
There were some tiny little things we needed to knock out.
But the Blaze subscribers, along with my subscribers at DaveRubin.com, will get early access to the full episodes.
And it's just the beginning of several things that I think we're going to start doing together.
And I think there's, relative to the app, we've already started talking to your guys about that.
We can tighten the bonds.
And more than anything else, I think those of us that are in this, we're all individuals and we put primacy on that, but there is a way that we can figure out something together that will protect us and strengthen us.
Everyone's so afraid of associations these days.
Shut up!
And I think this was the right move.
So you're not paying for production or anything like that.
And I'm gonna walk in there- Wait, wait, wait, but Beverly Hills is the place- Well, that's- Beverly Hills is the place that Deborah Messinger said- I know.
Well, we're going, and they have knives at the place we're going to.
And we're going, I'm gonna walk right in there, we're going back, and we're gonna see what happens.
No, it'll be great.
Here's my prediction.
My prediction is that there are going to be people that come up to us, and they won't be able to fully say it, because they're in Beverly Hills, but there will be a wink, there will be a nod.