June 4, 2019 - Rubin Report - Dave Rubin
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| Alright people, we are live on the YouTube via your internet computer machine. | ||
| I haven't done one of these live streams in a while and there's a lot of stuff going on. | ||
| That is the understatement of the century. | ||
| So I just wanted to take a little time and then just chat with you guys for an hour, an hour and a half or so. | ||
| Just get some Thoughts out there, a lot of chatter about all sorts of different things, so I just wanted to check in with you and just kind of get you up to speed on some stuff. | ||
| There's a lot of good stuff happening right now. | ||
| There's also some annoying stuff happening, that's okay. | ||
| So yeah, I haven't done one of these in a while and I just wanted to catch up, so hello! | ||
| So first off, before we do anything else, We crossed a million subscribers two or three weeks ago on YouTube, which is it's a pretty big Milestone and I think we're getting some sort of golden button or a silver widget or something from YouTube They have told us we are getting something to commemorate that so that's nice I think probably what I'm most proud of beyond sort of the content of the show which I'm going to talk about is | ||
| Quite a bit today. | ||
| Is the fact that we have built this thing with literally, literally zero ad dollars. | ||
| We've never put a dollar into advertising on YouTube. | ||
| So the million plus now of you that are subscribers, you've come to us either through searching or suggested videos or watching me on something | ||
| else or whatever the YouTube ecosystem creates or whatever you | ||
| podcast or whatever you do, you've somehow come here and a million | ||
| people. That's a lot of people. I know it's not PewDiePie. I'm, you know, what am I, | ||
| like 200 million people behind him? But, you know, we all can't beat PewDiePie. | ||
| But I think for somebody doing something pretty decent in the political space, a million subscribers is pretty sweet and the fact that we did it all organically is pretty awesome. | ||
| So I'm excited about that and I just haven't had a chance to do one of these live streams just to kind of thank you guys for that. | ||
| So a heartfelt thank you for getting us to cross the million threshold. | ||
| It does seem to me that when you hit a million that the algorithm does start treating you a | ||
| little bit differently. | ||
| And you know, there's a there's a weird optics thing. So like, it seems like if you if you have | ||
| 800,000 subscribers, that still doesn't seem sort of mainstream. There's something that I can just | ||
| sense and I can just see about sort of articles that are being written about me, which I'll talk | ||
| about a little bit. And just sort of like the types of journalists that are reaching out to me or | ||
| people either complimenting me or going after me on Twitter or whatever else, that something about | ||
| about a million seems like much more mainstream Not that I even want to be mainstream. | ||
| I don't even know that mainstream is a thing anymore Like what really is mainstream? | ||
| I mean if you think about it Like, you know, basically we're running out of things that | ||
| are sort of just mainstream and that we all sort of coalesce around, right? | ||
| So it's like, if you just think about it from a news perspective, let's say, you know, 20, | ||
| 30 years ago, or even more, you had three network news, right? | ||
| You had ABC, you had NBC, you had CBS, and they basically all sort of said the same thing. | ||
| One might've leaned a little bit this way, one might've leaned a little bit this way, you might've liked Tom Brokaw more than you liked Peter Jennings, or you might've liked Walter Cronkite more than this guy, or whatever, and that's the one that you would watch, and that's sort of how you'd get your news. | ||
| And we sort of had this mainstream set of ideas that, You know, the Overton window sort of encompassed the whole thing, and you know, you could shift a little bit, but that we all sort of accepted the same basic ideas, and that's sort of all the information we got. | ||
| Then cable news came in, one leans left, one leans right, one leans nowhere, you know which one I'm talking about, they pretend to lean nowhere, you know, whatever, CNN. | ||
| Point is that then YouTube came around and there are quite literally millions and millions of people that you can get your information from, that you can listen to conversations, listen to podcasts, talk about ideas, all sorts of things. | ||
| And it's not just politics, of course. | ||
| If you care about video games, if you care about unboxing videos, if you care about fashion, if you care about Make up all of these things all of these different competing voices and this platform which often I express my Frustration with and I'm still frustrated with them There's all sorts of things going on with the algorithm where we sense they're you know Suppressing some of our videos or messing with us a little bit and we're working on that We just hired somebody to do a total audit of our YouTube channel to make sure we're optimizing properly and all of those things and | ||
| But there's a beauty of the platform and any of these platforms in that it allows regular people to get their ideas out there. | ||
| So it's like, if you like what I do, then you can subscribe and watch. | ||
| If you don't, then you don't have to subscribe and watch. | ||
| And that is sort of what's so interesting right now about this move to de-platform people, because nobody's forcing anyone to watch anything. | ||
| As far as I know I mean there might be some torture device in somebody's basement somewhere where they're forcing people to watch videos of somebody but basically if you don't like something you change the channel or you click away and that's it. | ||
| So this need or this sort of newfound desire by a certain set of people to de-platform people because they don't like their ideas or even more dangerously they don't like people that they talk to Or a whole different set of things is I think I think an extremely dangerous place to be in and we're watching more and more accounts get shut down and all that stuff and and look we can openly discuss you know which ideas should be on which platforms and as private companies these companies you know my belief on this these companies can do whatever they want to do and then there is some issue related to how much | ||
| Connection do the big tech companies Google and Facebook and Twitter etc Have with the government and all sorts of things and also are these new ways of communication YouTube Twitter, etc. | ||
| Are they? | ||
| Are they public in that they are the way we communicate? | ||
| So should they be regulated the way we would regulate the water company or the telephone company or something like that? | ||
| These are all rich discussions that I've had on the show and will continue to discuss, but I say all that really just to say, wow, a million of you subscribed to this thing. | ||
| I can't believe how huge this thing's gotten. | ||
| And just in the last year or so, traveling with Jordan Peterson in 100 plus cities in around 20 countries, and going and meeting people all over the world and it will come as no surprise to you guys that people in real life and they're really out there real human beings that you can touch and you know are three-dimensional and all that they're actually much nicer than the anonymous Twitter trolls so that's the funny thing is like I get so much love constantly and support and all this stuff and we're fan funded and it's all great and then people say oh but you get a lot of hate sometimes people come up to you on the street and they're like how do you deal with all the hate? | ||
| I'm like, well, the hate really isn't real, you know, it's a lot of manufactured nonsense. | ||
| But I can say one thing about that, which is that, ironically, the more hate that I get, the more that I think I'm doing something good. | ||
| It's like when you're doing something good, or something that you think is good, and you're doing what you enjoy doing, whatever it is, it's like that just sort of feels right. | ||
| You don't have to really think about it a lot. | ||
| Then when you're doing something like that, and you start getting a lot of hate for it, And I'm not talking about legit criticism, which I often reference, and I'll gladly reference some of it here. | ||
| I'm talking about just like endless hate, go fuck yourself, and all sorts of just conspiratorial nonsense and, you know, all the just the general sort of collection of losers who just want to get clicks off you and all of those things. | ||
| It's like, boy, I must really be doing something good. | ||
| All I really wanted to do Have decent honest conversation and then that somehow become controversial and that was the point from the beginning It's like I saw years ago that like everybody was starting to hate each other at all different levels. | ||
| Nobody wanted to talk I started doing something where people could come together and talk and now that has become that in and of itself has become Controversial in a way so in a weird way, it's just like oh, well, this is just more affirmation that I guess I'm doing something pretty decent here So anyway Anyway, as far as the subscription thing, do me a favor, people, because I meet you guys at the supermarket or at the freaking bowling alley last week, and people come up to me and say that they're subscribed, but then they get unsubscribed and all that. | ||
| So right now, if you are not subscribed, just click the subscribe thing over there, if you wouldn't mind, if you like what we're doing here. | ||
| And if you are subscribed, Or even if you're clicking it right now, click that bell there. | ||
| That's the notifications where you can make sure that you're actually getting notifications when our new videos come out. | ||
| Because people are not getting videos in the feed and a bunch of other stuff. | ||
| Our rev on YouTube this month is now going to be down by like 70% or something. | ||
| It's all messy and we're working on all sorts of other things. | ||
| But anyway, that's the That's the YouTube portion of this. | ||
| So more than anything else, I really am just appreciative of a million of you guys that dig this thing and you know, I think we're going to keep growing and keep doing good stuff and somehow Try to clean up a little bit of the mess. | ||
| I think that's what I've been trying to do here. | ||
| Not always succeeding at it, but doing my best to try to clean up a little bit of the conversation and a little bit of the mess. | ||
| Try to find allies and people that I maybe thought were my ideological enemies a couple years ago. | ||
| Open up avenues for people that have maybe done some wrong things in the past to kind of make a comeback. | ||
| So I had Mike Cernovich on. | ||
| I think that's really interesting. | ||
| I had Mike Cernovich on about two or three weeks ago now. | ||
| Now, I hadn't had him on for about three years. | ||
| I had him on originally three years ago, and I said this to him as he was sitting right here. | ||
| The reason I had him on the first time is that it was right at the beginning of the Trump thing, and nobody in mainstream media was really talking about Trump as any sort of serious thing. | ||
| But I kept seeing it bubble up on Twitter and I was like, well, I want to get somebody on the show that'll talk about Trump, but I couldn't really find anyone that seemed legit. | ||
| Like I could see all these mean makers, but I couldn't find anyone that was like an author or a public person or anything that would openly support Trump. | ||
| And then I came across this guy, Mike Cernovich. | ||
| Now, again, this is three plus years ago. | ||
| This is when the show was on Ora TV. | ||
| And I find this guy, Mike Cernovich, and I see he's a published author, and I bring him in, and he basically, we talked for about an hour, and he explained what he thinks is happening with the mainstream media, and what's happening with Trumpism, and all of those things, and that was one of several conversations, I would also include Scott Adams in this, although that was about a year later, that led me to believe that the Trump thing was actually real, and he had a legitimate chance of becoming president, which is why, when I was on Joe Rogan, I think the second time, It was either the day before or the day of the election. | ||
| And I was like, yeah, Trump might win because I had been listening to these people. | ||
| I didn't support Trump and I didn't vote for Trump, but I didn't have Trump derangement syndrome either. | ||
| But it was more that I had just been having conversations with people that were explaining what was going on here. | ||
| So all of the media people and the elites that were all shocked that day, it was like, well, if you guys would have just been paying attention or talk to some people that you would consider unsavory, maybe you wouldn't be so shocked right now. | ||
| So in any event, I had Cernovich on about three years ago. | ||
| Then I let it go for about three years. | ||
| And over the course of the last three years, he's done stuff that we just talked about two or three weeks ago. | ||
| He was involved in the Pizzagate thing. | ||
| was one of the people that led James Gunn, who's the Guardians of the Galaxy director, to get fired over some old tweets. | ||
| And we talked about all of those things. | ||
| I had him on a couple weeks ago, and the reason I had him on was because I've seen the guy moderate himself over the past year, and I think everyone deserves a second chance. | ||
| Not only a second chance, I think most of us probably deserve a third chance, a fourth chance, maybe even a fifth chance. | ||
| Like, none of us are perfect. | ||
| We're all coming up through this technological Adolescents together, like, right? | ||
| We've all been just handed all of this stuff and the way that trolling is and destroying people and selectively editing video. | ||
| And now you can see these new videos, these deep fake videos where they can make it seem like someone is saying something that they're not saying and they can edit it together. | ||
| So it looks like your mouth is moving with different words. | ||
| I mean, we have a whole new technological frontier that we have no idea how to really deal with coming. | ||
| So anyway, we all make mistakes along the way and I've seen Cernovich as someone that moderated over the last year And I thought it would be worth having that conversation again, and I'll continue by the way to have those conversations I know I get a ton of shit for it And I know there's a certain set of people that don't want me to talk to another certain set of people But I will do what I think is right. | ||
| I really will now along along that road. | ||
| There's gonna be some Mistakes. | ||
| And there's going to be some errors and things of that nature. | ||
| But I will consistently do what I think is right. | ||
| And, you know, the idea that we're going to just boot people off these platforms, that we're going to get rid of all of these voices, and that that's somehow going to make us better or more tolerant or something like that, I just simply don't believe in it. | ||
| On the private side, they can do what they want. | ||
| And I mentioned earlier, if they have enough connections now to governments, it's like, I don't know if these are public or private companies anymore. | ||
| Maybe a good use of public money, I mean, this is a place where I think that there could be some good use of state governmental money, which is really just the people's money, would be that maybe we need fully funded platforms that allow everybody to be on there, as long as you don't break the laws of the United States, so that we're not so reliant on these private companies. | ||
| I'm not really sure that that's the answer either. | ||
| And as you guys know, Jordan Peterson and I... | ||
| I've been working on some stuff. | ||
| Let me hold that portion of the conversation back just a little bit. | ||
| But I'll just keep having these conversations with people and see what happens. | ||
| So with that in mind, there's been some interesting stuff happening just sort of to me personally and within this space, let's say, over the past couple weeks. | ||
| So those of you that are active on Twitter, God bless you. | ||
| You probably saw that a couple weeks ago, I invited Mayor Pete, Pete Buttigieg on the show via Twitter. | ||
| Now sometimes I invite people on the show via Twitter, sometimes we go through the proper channels via websites | ||
| or public relations people or there's a series of ways you can get, you know, sometimes it's a personal connection, | ||
| whole series of way that you can get different guests on the show. | ||
| In this case, we didn't have a contact for Mayor Pete, so I saw that his comms person, I think it was, | ||
| was it the head of communications or the head of PR for him? | ||
| One of the big shots on his team, a verified person on Twitter. | ||
| I tweeted at him and I said, hey, I'd love to have Mayor Pete on the show. | ||
| We'd have a great, respectful conversation, hope we can work it out. | ||
| Within minutes, the guy wrote back, he followed me on Twitter, wrote back and he said, DM me. | ||
| I DM the guy, private message him on Twitter, he gives me the email address, and then I have my team send our formal pitch, which is what we send to everybody, which tells about the show and the numbers and the reach and all of those things, the same professional thing that we do with everybody else. | ||
| And we get an email back from his team immediately. | ||
| They're going to be in L.A. | ||
| in June, and hopefully we can work it out. | ||
| If that trip is kind of busy, though, and if not that one, maybe the next one. | ||
| Then, within an hour, the mob starts moving. | ||
| And you guys know all about the mob. | ||
| So, first it started with a writer from Vox, and then a writer from HuffPo, tweeting at his guy, at his PR guy, Buttigieg's PR guy, | ||
| that they shouldn't do the show and he just had Cernovich on | ||
| and it would be a bad look and a whole bunch of other things. | ||
| Now, these are journalists, journalists at Huffington Post and Vox. | ||
| Now, of course, I put air quotes around journalists because these people are not journalists, they're activists. | ||
| What kind of journalist sees that an interviewer, right, that an interviewer wants to interview | ||
| a presidential candidate, and I think you guys all know | ||
| that I would treat Mayor Pete with exactly the same decency and respect | ||
| that I treat every single one of my guests. | ||
| For anyone that's watching this, even for the people that hate me, Who are hate watching, which I find to be the funniest thing. | ||
| I think you would agree that I have treated every single one of my guests the same. | ||
| I have never been rude to a guest. | ||
| I have never tried to do a gotcha moment with a guest. | ||
| I genuinely sit down. | ||
| I don't have a set of intentions other than trying to figure out what this person thinks Figure out what our points of agreement or disagreement are and kind of go from there. | ||
| So of course, I would have an incredibly interesting conversation with him. | ||
| I mean, look, even the idea, he happens to be a gay married man. | ||
| I'm also a gay married man. | ||
| How often would you see two gay married men sit across from each other and talk about serious issues for an hour? | ||
| Even just related to that, not that I think it's so important, but you just simply don't see that, right? | ||
| He's not, I don't know that Anderson Cooper's married, but he's not gonna do that with Anderson Cooper. | ||
| So we could have had a great, interesting political conversation, but Vox and HuffPo journalists jump in on this. | ||
| They make sure that they get a whole stream of tweets, mostly from anonymous people, saying Rubin's all right, and he's a racist, and all of this nonsense. | ||
| Then media matters. | ||
| The CEO or the president of Media Matters, he jumps in on this too, and he tells them why, he tells the Buttigieg team why they shouldn't do my show. | ||
| So you've got Media Matters putting public pressure on a presidential candidate not to do a show. | ||
| You've got journalists who are just activists masquerading as journalists, telling people, trying to put the mob on a presidential candidate to make them decide who or who they will not talk to. | ||
| Now, what happens? | ||
| Well, about two hours later than that, we get an email from his team that they're not going to do it. | ||
| I then subsequently responded several times. | ||
| I followed up at least, I think, three times, completely respectfully saying, look, I saw what happened on Twitter. | ||
| This is just the outrage machine, and I would treat him the way I've treated everybody else. | ||
| I think we'd have a really interesting conversation. | ||
| And then they've just ignored us since then. | ||
| And then his PR guy unfollowed me on Twitter. | ||
| So look, I don't know that it ever got to Mayor Pete, right? | ||
| Like, I don't know that he's making these decisions, so I don't want to blame him specifically, other than either he made the decision to say, uh-oh, the mob's coming, I'm not gonna talk to this guy, or, and more likely, his team saw the mob, they don't want Media Matters and Scary Vox and HuffPo to go after them, you know, for talking to me, Dave Rubin doing his show in his garage, right? | ||
| They don't want to do that. | ||
| And that means that he hires people who bow to the mob. | ||
| So it's like, dude, if you're surrounding yourself with people who bow to the mob, if that's what your decision-making has led to, those types of people being around you, well, you're gonna stand up to Trump? | ||
| You're gonna stand up to Putin? | ||
| You're gonna stand up to any other despot or evil leader out there? | ||
| Or just political opponent out there? | ||
| So I kinda lost a lot of respect for him in that regard. | ||
| But I really don't wanna make this about me or even about this show. | ||
| It's just like, This monster that I have been talking about, that so many of my guests have been talking about for so many months now, if not years, about this amorphous mob that all it comes around to do is destroy people. | ||
| Because what they're really trying to do is they're also trying to destroy my livelihood. | ||
| It's not whether Pete does the show. | ||
| It's like, all right, I'd like to have him on the show, but if he doesn't do the show, that's all right. | ||
| We'll get other guests. | ||
| I'll continue doing a good show. | ||
| But what really it's about is they want to make it so that I'm viewed as so toxic that no one relevant or interesting or whatever will do the show. | ||
| And that is a direct assault, not only on me as a person, but it's a direct assault on my business, my ability to, you know, pay my employees and things of that nature. | ||
| So these are not good people. | ||
| And they do this in the name of tolerance and decency. | ||
| And that's what the crazy part of this is. | ||
| And the way they throw out these terms, of course you guys know this, the way they throw out these terms of bigot and Nazi and whatever, even that Sean White, right? | ||
| Not Sean White. | ||
| Sean King, you know Sean King, who's the Black Lives Matter activist or whatever, who I guess was pretending to be black, but he's white and that whole thing. | ||
| It was like yesterday, he sent a tweet at me about something about my bigotry, mine and Steven Crowder's bigotry. | ||
| And it's like, what are you talking about? | ||
| Please show me an instance where I was bigoted towards a group of people based on the color of their skin or something like that, or their sexuality or their gender. | ||
| It just doesn't happen. | ||
| But they can just throw around these terms so easily. | ||
| But that's also what I mean about the hate thing. | ||
| It's like, I saw this tweet, and maybe a year ago that might've bothered me, and this time I was just like, man, this is so sad. | ||
| But it also is sort of a function of success. | ||
| I guess I tweet something, and then Sean White or Sean King, whatever his name is, are like, oh, I'm gonna tell, yes, maybe I happen to be a white man pretending to be a black man, and I trade in race, and I've, He's done all sorts of, he's done a whole bunch of shady shit, it's not even worth getting into. | ||
| But it's like, this is the weird world we live in. | ||
| You can just apply that label of bigoted or racist to anyone and then you can go for their livelihood and all of those things. | ||
| So I want to be very clear about this to all of the HuffPo, Vox, BuzzFeed journalists that are watching this. | ||
| I will never bend the knee and I will do what I think is right and I will talk to the people that I want to talk to and maybe you will get some success. | ||
| in stopping some of them from talking to me. | ||
| But you won't always get success. | ||
| And to quote Obi-Wan Kenobi, if you strike me down, | ||
| I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine. | ||
| Okay, so that's a little bit on that. | ||
| I wanna discuss the Stephen Crowder thing as well, cause that's going down. | ||
| But I do wanna mention, I'm wearing the classical liberal shirt, | ||
| which we do sell in the Rubin Report store. | ||
| You gotta do a little merch. | ||
| We're trying to make up a little bit of the YouTube rev. | ||
| So the Rubin Report store, the link is in the description right down below, and you can get a classical liberal, I was gonna say, you can get a classical Rubin shirt. | ||
| You can get a classical liberal t-shirt. | ||
| We've got Rubin Report mugs and hoodies and stickers and caps and all sorts of stuff. | ||
| So check that out if you would like. | ||
| Along the lines of a little of this de-platforming thing is Steven Crowder, who you guys know. | ||
| He was on the show years and years ago. | ||
| Where were we at the time? | ||
| I did it on Skype. | ||
| I'm pretty sure we were at ORA TV at the time too, so he probably hasn't been on for about three years. | ||
| I go on Crowder's show maybe I don't know, three times a year or something like that. | ||
| We have some political disagreements, and sometimes with some of his humor it can be a little bit over the top for me, but the guy's actually a very funny comic. | ||
| I think he's running a freaking great show, and he's got something like four million subscribers on YouTube, which despite the suppression is pretty... That's actually spectacular. | ||
| I don't know how the hell he's pulling that off. | ||
| And he's doing a lot of good stuff, and he's doing actually edgy humor and all that good stuff. | ||
| Okay, fine. | ||
| So he got into it with this guy, I think his name is Carlos Maza. | ||
| He goes by the Twitter handle, AtGayWonk. | ||
| Him and Crowder have been going at each other, and basically, from the way I'm understanding it right now, Carlos Maza is pretty much trying to get Crowder deplatformed. | ||
| He wants the powers that be to get Crowder kicked off YouTube for sort of anti-LGBT stuff or homophobia or whatever it is. | ||
| And it's like, A, he's joking. | ||
| He's joking when he does a lisp and some silly stuff. | ||
| Comedians are allowed to joke. | ||
| And by the way, you are allowed to joke about gay people. | ||
| I don't know if you've ever seen this show called Family Guy. | ||
| It was a fairly popular show. | ||
| It's been on for about 20 years. | ||
| And the whole idea of Stewie, the baby, is that he's gay. | ||
| I mean, look at every gay joke in that show. | ||
| Look at every gay joke in The Simpsons. | ||
| look at every gay joke in Seinfeld or any great sitcom. | ||
| And it's not just that you can make gay jokes. | ||
| You can make jokes about people. | ||
| We need jokes to release a little bit of the steam so that we don't start killing each other. | ||
| But the reason I mention all of this is because this at gay wonk guy, who I don't know, | ||
| I have nothing personal against him. | ||
| The only reason that I even know the guy is this. | ||
| Is that, remember the little Pete Buttigieg story? | ||
| And I said that a Vox journalist was going at him trying to make sure that Pete Buttigieg didn't do my show? | ||
| Well, guess who it was? | ||
| Yeah, it was the same guy. | ||
| It was this Carlos Maza guy. | ||
| So I don't like talking about people specifically, and I don't care about him, and don't flood his Twitter or any of that nonsense. | ||
| And I know my audience doesn't do that. | ||
| I mean, that's the funny thing. | ||
| It's like, I don't even really have to say that. | ||
| Because I know if you're watching this show that basically You hold the same relative ideals around decency and free speech, and you don't want to destroy people and all of that stuff. | ||
| So of course, I'm not asking anybody to target this guy or anything like that. | ||
| But it's like, this guy came after me and my livelihood, and now he's going after Crowder and doing the same thing, and Crowder's making freaking jokes. | ||
| I think I will be on Crowder's show tomorrow, by the way. | ||
| We're gonna talk about that. | ||
| Oh, and speaking of that, I'm on Tucker Carlson tonight. | ||
| I'm not sure what time yet. | ||
| If we get the time while I'm live, we'll let you know, but I'll be doing Tucker. | ||
| And, you know, Tucker's another one. | ||
| It's so interesting the way this deplatforming thing is operating, because every freaking day there is another move to kill the advertisers of somebody, or this person said that, so let's take them out, or they talk to this person, so let's take them out. | ||
| So, you know, Tucker has survived a series of advertiser purges. | ||
| And I just saw that yesterday, I guess Bayer had pulled out of his advertising for a couple | ||
| months during one of the brouhahas. | ||
| And mostly, by the way, when these activists go after the advertisers, these people don't | ||
| watch the show in the first place. | ||
| I mean, that's that's the tough part of how these corporations operate. | ||
| It's like you start seeing all this Twitter anger and these, and my God, they signed a petition and 1,500 people said Tucker's a bad man and all of this stuff. | ||
| And it's like, these people don't watch your show anyway. | ||
| They're just trying to take you out. | ||
| But anyway, I saw that Bayer, I guess, started advertising again. | ||
| And then I saw the usual set of journalists suddenly trying to guilt Bayer, tag Bayer and stop them from advertising on Tucker. | ||
| And it's like, man, These guys really hate any oppositional thought. | ||
| They hate any opposition news. | ||
| Look, you could say what you want about Fox, which, by the way, I will not throw under the bus because anytime I go on Fox, I go on Tucker probably almost once a week now, once every two weeks, let's say. | ||
| We do no pre-interview. | ||
| I don't tell them what I'm gonna say. | ||
| I go on live. | ||
| I can say whatever I want. | ||
| I've gone up there and I've said things that I disagree with Tucker on and some things that I agree with him on, and we just do our thing, right? | ||
| And what Tucker and I have, I think, most in common is the defense of free speech at the moment. | ||
| So it doesn't matter what the sort of peripheral issues are. | ||
| But if you think about it, Fox basically is the only, is really the only sort of mainstream right-leaning network. | ||
| So it's constantly piled upon, and people will say, well, this is what Trump's done with the media. | ||
| Trump's always attacking the media. | ||
| Now, Trump is attacking the media all the time. | ||
| I think some of it's warranted, obviously, I think that, and some of it maybe isn't warranted | ||
| or it's over the top or maybe just sort of not the best use of time, let's say, | ||
| for the President of the United States. | ||
| But if you remember back, It's like, well, why wouldn't Barack Obama attack the media? | ||
| It was because the media was absolutely in bed with him, but he did attack Fox News, which was the only opposition to him, right? | ||
| So there is something a little weird happening here, the way that everything is sort of framed. | ||
| So even Buttigieg, again, is like, he was at a town hall on Fox a couple weeks ago, and the audience there treated him totally respectfully. | ||
| They applauded at a lot of moments. | ||
| I think he got a standing ovation at the end. | ||
| It was totally respectful. | ||
| And then the media frames it like, oh, Even Buttigieg gets a standing ovation at Fox News. | ||
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Scary, right-wing, conservative, evil Fox News. | |
| And it's like, well, I can tell you that I've been traveling the country for the last year and I meet conservatives and right-leaning people everywhere who know I disagree with them on several things. | ||
| Some of them disagree with very personal parts of my life, actually, and I find them completely respectful | ||
| and open and decent all the time, and yet it's the people that are constantly preaching | ||
| tolerance and diversity and telling me how wonderful they are and how horrible everyone else is | ||
| that are often the most angry and mean and disrespectful. | ||
| So it's a weird situation we're in. | ||
| So anyway, so I'll talk to Crowder about that tomorrow, but this move to just, I don't like you, | ||
| so I'm gonna take you out. | ||
| I don't like you, so I'm gonna take you out. | ||
| So one of the interesting things that was happening to me in the last week is that as some of the hate | ||
| has been ramped up, and we know that some of it's being coordinated by a couple people, and we're looking into ways | ||
| that we can deal with that, and not that it really matters, because I could just stop looking at my mentions | ||
| or that sort of thing, but you know, it's like. | ||
| It's all part of the game, right, at some level. | ||
| So we're trying to figure out what we're going to do related to some of that. | ||
| So I had tweeted something last week about that I was getting all these people just saying awful things to me, like hundreds if not thousands of people in my Twitter feed. | ||
| You know, 99% of them are anonymous accounts, although some of them were blue check accounts, you know, telling me to go fuck myself and a bunch of stuff. | ||
| And it's like, who cares? | ||
| I just mute these people, you're nobody. | ||
| Doesn't matter. | ||
| Okay, that's fine. | ||
| And I brought it up on Twitter because it wasn't that I wanted Twitter to stop these people, but I tweeted at Jack Dorsey from Twitter and at Twitter support because it's like they say they're against targeted harassment. | ||
| Now, we know that. | ||
| Why was Milo kicked off of Twitter? | ||
| Supposedly because he engaged in targeted harassment at Leslie Jones, the actress. | ||
| Now, you may believe that, you may not believe that. | ||
| It may have been a series of other things. | ||
| He may have been warned before. | ||
| I mean, that's a whole other story. | ||
| The reason I tweeted it at Jack and at Twitter support was, it's like, well, I know that I'm getting subjected to that, but I guess if you're not a full-on, bowed progressive, you are allowed to get that hit. | ||
| So I was just trying to show some of the hypocrisy there. | ||
| So I know this is a little bit of insider baseball stuff, but it just really is interesting that the issues that we've been talking about here for a couple years now, they all start, they're all really bubbling into the mainstream, and I think that's why I'm getting so much pushback these days, because it's like, oh, I was talking, like all the stuff that I was talking about, about how crazy sort of the left had become and where are the good liberals and you know, you're watching sort of far leftists just ransack the entire Democratic Party and take away free thought and push de-platforming and all of these things. | ||
| Now everyone kind of sees it. | ||
| So, you know, and I think the other thing is that, you know, after I did that video on PragerU, the why I left the left video, I've said this before but I had never said I left the left and I never even said it in that video and when I woke up that morning I just I didn't you know you take the way PragerU does it is you tape the video just sort of direct to camera like this then it takes a little time for them to do the background animations and the music and all that so it's usually I think it was maybe two two or three months later that the video went up I get a notification I'm laying in bed I get a notification and you should not have your phone by your bed that is something I'm really trying not to do but I was doing it at that time and | ||
| And it said something like, new PragerU video, Dave Rubin, why I left the left. | ||
| And I was like, fuck, you know, I never said that I left the left. | ||
| And I had really felt that for a couple of years it had been sort of my job, or at least my mission, to kind of fix the left from the inside. | ||
| I always considered myself a liberal and a lefty and all of those things, and for a long time a progressive. | ||
| And I was addressing the issues around free speech and all the labeling and all that that I think was wrong with, The left and I thought I want to do this from the inside because this is my side and I want to clean up so I was really actually upset when that video went up and I did I might have even emailed Dennis immediately not I can't remember exactly I think I emailed somebody over at PragerU because I was considering asking them to change the title and then within an hour or so I saw that the video was doing so well that it seemed to be catching something else that maybe I couldn't quite see and that it was actually important | ||
| In a way, to say that I left the left, that I was this, and this thing went so crazy that it took a good, decent, open-minded liberal, and the only way to fix it was to walk away from it. | ||
| So this is one of the interesting things that's happening. | ||
| There's been a lot of criticism of the IDW right now, and I wanna get into some of that, actually. | ||
| But I think one of the sort of, the cruxes of what's happening right now is that I see a sort of general split in some of the IDW crew. | ||
| Now for those of you that don't know the IDW, of course this is the Intellectual Dark Web which really in my view was just a loosely associated group of academics and authors and thinkers and comedians and podcasters and a bunch of people that just were having relevant interesting conversations on YouTube and podcasts and obviously this includes Joe Rogan and Sam Harris and Jordan Peterson and the Weinstein brothers and Douglas Murray and Christina Hoff Summers and the list goes on. | ||
| There was never a laminated card handed out and a secret handshake where you get together in a secret club. | ||
| We never had that, right? | ||
| So this was just sort of a loosely affiliated interesting group of people that were truly, some of them were pro-choice, some of them were pro-life. | ||
| We had conservatives like Ben Shapiro and lefties like Brett Weinstein. | ||
| And we were just kind of talking this stuff out. | ||
| And basically, we could agree to disagree. | ||
| We could agree on what the basic sort of fundamental foundation of what a conversation was | ||
| and that type of thing. | ||
| Then that article came out in the New York Times, which is a little over a year ago now. | ||
| And it sort of really tried to set the parameters on who you can or can't talk to. | ||
| So there's a moment in that article, which was written by Barry Weiss in the New York Times, where she said, and I just tweeted out a little clip of Joe Rogan and I discussing this, where she says that basically, if you talk to people like, she mentions Mike Cernovich and Stefan Molyneux specifically, that you'd be cynical or stupid. | ||
| In effect and that really to me in the article was a shot at me and Rogan because as the interviewers we're gonna talk To an eclectic group of people right? | ||
| He's gonna talk to Alex Jones. | ||
| I'm gonna talk to Mike Cernovich, etc, etc That's what interviewers do That's what Larry King my my mentor and one of the best people on planet Earth and the greatest interviewer of all time Talked to all sorts of it Interesting, odd, sometimes evil people. | ||
| I mean, he, you know, I always say this. | ||
| It's like, if you think of Larry King, try to think of CNN, 1991, like the peak of Larry King. | ||
| It's like, he would have like the O.J. | ||
| Simpson defense team, you know, or maybe that was before 1991. | ||
| So like 1995, let's say Larry King. | ||
| He'd have, you know, the O.J. | ||
| Simpson defense team on on Monday. | ||
| He'd have the cast of Friends on on Tuesday. | ||
| He'd have the animal zoo guy with the monkey on his head and a snake wrapped around his neck on Wednesday. | ||
| He'd have Magic Johnson on Thursday, and then he would have Desmond Tutu on Friday, right? | ||
| And it's like, nobody thought he endorsed all these ideas or liked or disliked all of these people or anything, but there's something because of the more relaxed atmosphere, I think, that I've created here, that say, Rogan has created in his studio, that some of the other podcasters have created, that if you actually sit down with someone and you treat them like a human, like a decent, respectful human, Then people think that you're somehow endorsing all of those ideas. | ||
| Meanwhile, CNN can interview the foreign minister, or Martha Raddatz just the other day, I think, from ABC News, interviewed the foreign minister of Iran. | ||
| We know he's funding Hamas. | ||
| All right, did she just launder his ideas? | ||
| Nobody seemed to be upset about that. | ||
| I don't even like making it about this tit-for-tat thing, but there's just this odd way of looking at all this stuff. | ||
| But anyway, what I think one of the interesting things happening right now with the IDW is that there's going to be a certain split along the lines of what I just talked about, that I think most of the IDW people came from the left. | ||
| And I would say this is pretty much true of everyone I think except for Shapiro, | ||
| who pretty much has always been a conservative. | ||
| But even Jordan Peterson, who's, you know, I would say a little more traditionally conservative now, | ||
| I think he was someone that came of the left. | ||
| I mean, came up through academia and all of that. | ||
| But certainly the Weinstein brothers and Sam Harris and me and whoever it is, right? | ||
| It's like most of these people either are lefties or were lefties or have been purged from left or whatever. | ||
| So what I think the interesting crux, and now there's been a lot of articles written about this | ||
| lately, is that what is this thing? | ||
| Is it, can something be just sort of a loosely affiliated group of people that some are gonna talk to some people you don't like, some are gonna operate this way, some are gonna be more politically incorrect because they're comedians, some are gonna be very academic because they're from the world of academia. | ||
| Can that loose association and that crazy, you know, connective thing, can that actually exist? | ||
| With a truly diverse set of ideas sometimes bordering on some dangerous ideas can that exist now? | ||
| I think it can or do you really have to gatekeep around it so that you make sure that none of those danger more more dangerous I don't even like that word, but though that those more fringe ideas don't get out there So what I think is interesting right now is that, and this relates it to the why I left the left video, is that it's become very obvious, like my frustrations, me right now, just day of 2019, my frustrations are more obviously with the modern left. | ||
| You guys know what I think about social justice. | ||
| I believe in true justice. | ||
| I believe in true equality. | ||
| I believe in true liberty in that we should have individual rights for everyone. | ||
| Everyone in a country regardless of race or gender or sexuality or body parts or any of those things should have exactly the same rights. | ||
| You should not have special treatment for anyone because if you say that, oh, this group of people based on the color of their skin or their gender should have special rights or special access or get more, well, that can sometimes sound good, right? | ||
| We want to help these people. | ||
| But what that means is you have to take from someone else and you have to actually punish somebody else. | ||
| So the best, like, simplest example of this Would be something like what happened at Harvard where they actually deflated and depressed the amount of Asians Asian Americans that could get into Harvard because they felt too many Asians were getting in there now No one gave Asian people anything as they came to America whether they came from Korea or from Japan or from China I mean look if you're Asian or if you know anything about any Asian Americans history it's like it's the same immigrant history that everybody had and | ||
| Most people who are successful today, let's say in their 20s or 30s or 40s, their grandparents or great grandparents came from nothing, often faced discrimination, had to work crappy jobs, all of those things, so that their children could go from lower class to middle class, so that the next generation maybe could go to Upper middle class, and that hopefully the next generation can go even beyond that. | ||
| And that's the same immigrant story that almost everyone has in the United States. | ||
| But it wasn't because, oh, they gave Asian people this, and that's what made them successful. | ||
| Actually, it was because of the reverse. | ||
| We didn't give any of these immigrant groups anything. | ||
| Now, we did have stronger education back then than we do now. | ||
| And I think there's some interesting ways that that can be talked about. | ||
| And that's why I'm for school choice and charter schools and a whole bunch of other things, which, by the way, the left is not for. | ||
| But the point is, what Harvard was doing is intentionally depressing the amount of Asian students, because they work really hard, they focus on family and education and school, and we, you know, Tiger Mom, I've had Amy Chua in here and all of those things. | ||
| And it's like, you're actually discriminating based on an immutable characteristic, the race of the applicant. | ||
| And not only, so that means you're going to punish This Asian student, right, who worked really hard, who's, you have no idea what he's come from, right? | ||
| He actually might be poor, he might be wealthy, and his parents, you know, it's like all of those things, they don't even matter. | ||
| Did he get the grades to get into this school? | ||
| Is he of the worth of what a Harvard attendee should be? | ||
| And if you say, well, because he's Asian, we're not going to let him in, and because we want to let in more black people, or we want to let in more this person, or that person, or gay people, or whatever, which is so stupid, it's like, okay, well now you've let in people Who weren't necessarily qualified because you took the most qualified person and you said, OK, most qualified person, you can't come in because we want more people based on skin color or whatever to get in. | ||
| Well, now you have someone who's less qualified to get in. | ||
| Now, of course, if someone was equally qualified, then they have to decide if you have an equally qualified Asian person and black person and white person, whatever it is. | ||
| Well, then they have to figure out who had more extracurricular work or who was on a better sports team or it. | ||
| I don't know, it's a series of levers that they have to push to figure out who they want to let in. | ||
| But once you let in someone at a lower class, well now you've actually depressed what the academic | ||
| value of the school is, and then what you say is, okay, now that person gets out. Well then do they, | ||
| if let's say they have less positive grades at the end of four years, well now, do you let them | ||
| get into grad school with less because of the color of their skin or their sexuality? | ||
| And then after that, do they get a job because of the color of their skin or their sexuality? | ||
| I mean, none of this really stands to reason. | ||
| And we've really got to fight this stuff because what's happening is the same people who will tell you that there is systemic racism, meaning that the system itself is racist, that there are racist laws, which by the way, there are no racist laws, It doesn't mean that racism doesn't exist, because racism does exist. | ||
| It's part of the human condition, and there are always going to be bigots, and there's always going to be people who don't like minorities, and there's always going to be people who don't like majorities, too, right? | ||
| I mean, you know, hating white people. | ||
| You can get on Twitter, get a blue check, and you could talk about hating white people all day long, and they love you for it, right? | ||
| It's like, that's all good, apparently, to these people. | ||
| But we've got to figure out a way to talk about these things very seriously and very honestly. | ||
| So, okay, so bringing this back to where I started, for me, look, I see those set of ideas, I see intersectionality and the oppression Olympics and judging based on the color of skin and immutable characteristics, I see that as the greatest threat to the American experiment that there is. | ||
| I see that as far more of a threat than Donald Trump. | ||
| I see that as the type of thing that would literally turn neighbor against neighbor. | ||
| It would turn wife against husband. | ||
| It's the reverse of how the whole system was set up. | ||
| It's the reverse of the melting pot, which means you come from all parts of the world and you bring in your traditions, but you sort of fold into the fabric of America. | ||
| We've done that better here than anywhere else, which is why we don't have the integration problems, actually, that they have throughout Europe and all over the world. | ||
| We've done it better here. | ||
| Go on a New York City subway. | ||
| I mean, really, go on a New York City subway and look around and you will see everybody from every part of the world. | ||
| Now everybody looks equally miserable and it's hot and it's smelly and it's gross and nobody wants you to touch them or anything like that, but guess what? | ||
| We're not killing each other there because this experiment has worked. | ||
| So all of the people that really want to undo this experiment, most likely they're going to lead to an experiment that's very dangerous. | ||
| Look, that is a set of ideas that has really been absorbed by the modern left. | ||
| I think that set of ideas is obviously very bad and very dangerous and sort of has to be destroyed so that the modern left can change into something that returns to liberalism, right? | ||
| That returns to JFK, ask not what my country can do for me, or ask not what my country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country. | ||
| Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country, right? | ||
| I've been doing a lot of talking lately. | ||
| It's a lot of talking. | ||
| That's 180, the reverse of what Bernie would say. | ||
| Bernie would say, we want to give you free health care. | ||
| We want to give you free education and all of these things. | ||
| Ask what the government can do for you. | ||
| Don't ask what you can do for your fellow man, right? | ||
| And that's a huge difference. | ||
| If Bernie got on stage and said that thing that JFK, a liberal Democrat, said in the late 60s, | ||
| it's like he would be treated very poorly for that, right? | ||
| JFK, who was anti-war, who wanted to cut taxes, who did cut taxes, and a whole bunch of other things. | ||
| So it's like I want that type of liberalism to return. | ||
| Now, it is my belief that by showing people that you can walk away from the left. | ||
| You can walk away from the left. | ||
| And what you will find, by and large, is that conservatives are pretty decent. | ||
| People on the right are pretty decent. | ||
| Libertarians, I particularly like libertarians, but like, there's a set of people that are constantly, that you're constantly told are horrible and racist and all of these things, who just actually aren't. | ||
| And who are willing to agree to disagree and all sorts of stuff. | ||
| And So my belief is that a certain set of people have to walk away for that thing to change. | ||
| Now I think what some of the other IDWs are, IDW people believe, so I would say maybe this is like Brett Weinstein for example. | ||
| I don't want to speak for him but I would say basically his belief is we can kind of fix the left from the inside. | ||
| Now I was kind of trying to do it for years and I saw no traction and if anything I've seen it get consistently worse which is why it's in the state that it's in right now. | ||
| If Brett turns out to be right, and there's some magical way that the liberals can somehow stop the far lefties and the progressives from just sort of wrecking the Democratic Party and just decimating the whole thing, well, I'll gladly, if Brett comes to me one day and he's like, Dave, you're not gonna believe this, but we did it, I can't believe it, I will be like, wow, that is absolutely incredible, and whether at this point I wanna be part of that, or I wanna be part of a right, let's say, that's modifying and moderating, And seemingly about ideas, which is what I see now. | ||
| Although that's a great discussion to have, and I have no doubt that Brett and I can have that discussion. | ||
| But I do see this as an interesting distinction, sort of what's going on with the IDW, because I'm sure... | ||
| A whole bunch of you saw that Quillette recently and now Claire Lehman, who's the editor of Quillette, the founder and editor of Quillette has been on this show. | ||
| She was on this show maybe, I don't know, maybe six or eight months ago or so. | ||
| I just saw her in Australia when I was there with Jordan Peterson. | ||
| I've had dinners with her. | ||
| They've run a series of pieces. | ||
| Basically trying to say that anyone who leans to the right really kind of can't be in the IDW or that you're if you talk to a certain set of people you can't be in the IDW and really most of that is aimed at me. | ||
| They always use my picture. | ||
| They show a picture of me smiling with with Tucker Carlson and you know that we're partisan. | ||
| Claire tweeted something to the effect that I'm partisan and that I'm a baby and a bunch of other stuff. | ||
| The people that they're criticizing me for having on the show, so I'm talking about Stefan Molyneux and Mike Cernovich and Lauren Southern and Paul Joseph Watson, I think those are the four. | ||
| I had all four of those people on the show before I had Claire on, so she could have sat in that chair right there. | ||
| I mean, we don't edit for content. | ||
| So if I had known she had any issues with any of the people I've had on the show or the ways that I've conducted those interviews or if she thought that I didn't ask questions properly or anything, she could have said that to my face literally in this room on the show. | ||
| Or she could have messaged me privately about it or said it to me at a dinner we've been to or anything like that. | ||
| But instead they've just run a series of pieces about it. | ||
| Now ironically, and the reason I went sort of slightly bananas on Twitter last week, even though Twitter is not real life, and it really isn't, was because the author of the one last week was Cathy Young. | ||
| And Cathy Young also was a guest on this show. | ||
| And she was a guest on this show after I had Cernovich on the original time. | ||
| I'm not sure where it was related to the other guys. | ||
| No, you know what, it was after I had Cernovich and Paul Joseph Watson on, I'm 100% sure of that. | ||
| And by the way, Cathy Young has been on stage with Milo and Nat Gavin McGinnis and Cernovich and a bunch of these other guys, and what I think she was really doing there, and again, I don't like to make this about people, because I'd rather talk about ideas, so I'm not talking about her specifically, but what she, in essence, was trying to do was, they can see it, there's a movement right now to really take the IDW and sort of brand it as something that can fix the left. | ||
| I just personally don't believe that, but as I said, maybe I'm wrong, and if I am wrong, that'll be a great ending to this thing too, right? | ||
| I'll eat some crow, it's all good, okay. | ||
| But what she's trying to do, I think, by throwing me under the bus, Ruben talks to these people, or he didn't ask this question the way I wanted to, or that question the other way, it's like it's offering herself a little cover, because she knows she's talked to those people. | ||
| So it's like, make a very public spectacle of throwing this guy under the bus so that you think you'll get yourself a little cover. | ||
| Now, of course it will somehow come and get her. | ||
| That's the way this thing operates. | ||
| You can't feed the beast enough. | ||
| The beast is still hungry and wants to come and get more people. | ||
| So I think it's pretty short-sighted by her. | ||
| But what I was really annoyed about wasn't even the article specifically, actually. | ||
| And the article, I think, if I'm not mistaken, it went up on a Friday. | ||
| Or at least I think I saw it on a Friday. | ||
| You guys know I don't tweet on the weekends. | ||
| So I saw it just as I was about to get offline and I was like, ah, you know what? | ||
| This sucks. | ||
| Cause it's like, I've had this woman on the show. | ||
| She begged repeatedly to come on the show. | ||
| She wanted me to fly her out here. | ||
| She was asking me to connect her with all these guests and all this stuff. | ||
| But I treated her exactly the same way as I've treated everybody else. | ||
| And, um, all of this, whoop, we got a, we got a microphone thing. | ||
| How are we doing? | ||
| How are we doing? | ||
| Good. | ||
| Yeah, we're good. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Um, sorry about the little audio thing there. | ||
| Um, Anyway, what was disappointing, it's like, I've had these people on the show, and then I saw a few other people that have been former guests of mine, I'm not even gonna get into their names, kind of jump on the pylon. | ||
| People who have literally been here for dinner. | ||
| My husband has cooked some of these people dinner, and they're jumping in on it too, and it's like... | ||
| Forget me. | ||
| Forget the show. | ||
| But what is happening to a general sense of civility? | ||
| Let's say you knew someone. | ||
| Let's say you had a co-worker. | ||
| I mean, just think about yourself for a second. | ||
| Try to think of a co-worker. | ||
| Someone that you kind of like. | ||
| You don't have to love them. | ||
| You don't have to hate them. | ||
| Just someone that you just kind of work with every now and again. | ||
| Who hasn't wronged you in any way. | ||
| Just someone that you work with. | ||
| Let's say you had some issue with something that they did at work. | ||
| They either didn't do something properly or you were confused as to why they did something or whatever it is. | ||
| What do you think the right thing to do is? | ||
| Would it be that you'd maybe pull them, well first you could send them an email, you could | ||
| send them a text message, you could pull them aside at lunch, have a private conversation | ||
| with them and discuss those things? | ||
| Or would it be that you would immediately go to the public execution of them and jump | ||
| on the pylon? | ||
| And that's what bothered me more. | ||
| And that's why I was kind of annoyed last week because it was like when it's people that you know, it's not like some Sean King or whatever. | ||
| It's like, I don't know you. | ||
| We're never going to cross paths. | ||
| I don't, I have no respect for you. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| So it was like, laugh that way. | ||
| I sent a funny tweet about it, but like, that was it. | ||
| But when people know you and do those things, it really does tell you that the state of Conversation does seem to be dysregulated right now, and maybe dangerously dysregulated, because I don't think that inherently these are bad people, but everyone sort of gets in on the click machine. | ||
| So anyway, I was disappointed by that. | ||
| I suspect Quillette's going to kind of keep going with this thing. | ||
| And just for the record, Claire did, I reached out to Claire privately a couple times. | ||
| She finally did respond and she offered that I could do their podcast. | ||
| So I guess Quillette has a podcast now. | ||
| And they would, they would offer me to issue a rebuttal if I would sit down with one of their people and do their podcast. | ||
| And it's like, I said to her, I was like, you know, you used me once for, to come in here for clicks for yourself. | ||
| And that's fine. | ||
| like we're all doing things to get publicity so we can build whatever it is | ||
| that we're all individually building. | ||
| But it's like you use me once in my own studio, then you write these hit pieces about me | ||
| because you see that it's like an easy target or I don't know, something, I've hit some level | ||
| that you wanna come after me, whatever it is, doesn't matter. | ||
| But I'm not gonna now do your podcast so I can help you build your podcast audience too. | ||
| So I had had a writer for Quillette who will remain unnamed, | ||
| offered to do a print interview with me and I completely accepted and Claire said no, | ||
| they're not gonna do that. | ||
| They only wanna do it on the podcast. | ||
| So that's sort of the state of where they're at. | ||
| I may do a print thing, or I may write something for another website, although I think I've explained myself here. | ||
| But anyway, it's just sort of like... | ||
| Little sort of annoying things to think about, but the whole ecosystem is in flux right now, which is actually pretty cool. | ||
| As long as people aren't getting killed and as long as people aren't being silenced and all of those things, then it's all good. | ||
| But I think I learned a little bit of a lesson for myself last week. | ||
| It's like I know it intellectually, but I think maybe I needed to learn it sort of at a personal level, which is just... | ||
| That you can't, when you hit somewhere, you get to some level, like they're just going to come. | ||
| They're just going to come. | ||
| And by responding all the time, you're just going to amplify it. | ||
| It's like drawing a gremlin in water. | ||
| And then they're just going to multiply and multiply because, oh, they got your attention. | ||
| They got your attention. | ||
| So I saw some other article going after me today. | ||
| I was just like, all right. | ||
| All right, so that's kind of where we're at. | ||
| And that's what I said before. | ||
| It's like, oddly, that has become a measure of success, rather than just doing shows that I'm satisfied with and, you know, meeting you guys and all that other stuff. | ||
| So, you know, there's some interesting stuff going on. | ||
| Man, I've been talking. | ||
| That's a lot of talking. | ||
| Hold on just a second. | ||
| Okay, so let's just shift from show stuff for a second. | ||
| Because I wanted to mention something that I haven't talked about on YouTube or on the podcast, but if you're paying attention on Twitter or Instagram, has been going on. | ||
| So in February, it was I think around February 21st or so, I had just come back from Australia and I was taking a few days with my family, my folks, and my brother and sister and kids in Florida. | ||
| And we got a call from my sister-in-law, who was here house-sitting, watching our dog, that our dog Emma, that there was some blood in her pee, and she was going to have a vet come to the house and take a look at her. | ||
| And within a day or two, we found out that she had, or has, pretty advanced bladder cancer, which is pretty rare in dogs, actually. | ||
| It's not a common cancer in dogs. | ||
| And that she had a pretty big tumor in her bladder, and that was causing her to urinate more, and it was also, it caused like a little fissure, basically, in the bladder, and that was causing blood to be in the urine and all that. | ||
| So this is about three months ago. | ||
| So when we got back immediately, I didn't know if, they had told us that it was advanced. | ||
| So I didn't know if we had no time left, if we were just about to say goodbye to her. | ||
| Now, I've told this a couple times, but Emma, she's 15 years old. | ||
| She's a rescue from Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans. | ||
| She gave birth during the hurricane. | ||
| They found her in a box. | ||
| She eventually was, you know, the dogs were sent all over the country. | ||
| I've adopted her on June 22, 2006 in New York City. | ||
| The hurricane was in August or September of 2005, so she was so sick that basically for six months couldn't be adopted. | ||
| Her puppies got adopted immediately. | ||
| I'm walking her one day in Central Park. | ||
| I think this is the first or second day I had her. | ||
| And this woman comes up to me and says, is that Paisley from the Humane Society? | ||
| So Paisley, because Emma's had three names. | ||
| She had a name in New Orleans, because they found her with a collar with no tags, so we don't know what that name was. | ||
| The Humane Society that names her Emma, sorry, names her Paisley, and then we named her Emma. | ||
| So this woman comes up to me and says, is that Paisley from the Humane Society? | ||
| And I was like, they only have 12 or 14 dogs at a time. | ||
| So I was like, yeah. | ||
| She said, well, this is her son, Bernard. | ||
| and she somehow recognized her and they got together and they sniffed butt like only a mother and child could. | ||
| And then we lost touch with the woman. | ||
| And then a few months ago when this whole thing happened, when we found out about Emma and cancer, | ||
| I found out this long Twitter thread with a whole bunch of pictures of Emma. | ||
| And we were able to reconnect with the woman who I met in Central Park, whose name is Amy Stanton. | ||
| She's actually in PR here in Los Angeles. | ||
| And it turns out she only lives about 15 minutes away. | ||
| And we got Emma and her long-lost son Bernard together. | ||
| We've now done it twice. | ||
| We got them together on Mother's Day. | ||
| And it's been a pretty beautiful thing. | ||
| So anyway, so when we found out That Emma had cancer, you know, we took her to all the doctors and everything, and we realized that at 15 years old, it's like, we're not gonna put her through, you know, there's chemo, there's operations, there's all sorts of stuff that they can do that's grueling and you're extending time and even putting the money aside. | ||
| It's like, what's the point? | ||
| What's the point at that age? | ||
| But they were willing to do it. | ||
| I mean, we met with the oncologist and all the people and all that, and we decided to just go a completely other route, which is we've put her on CBD, so that's medicinal marijuana, We have her on a mushroom blend, because there's a bunch of mushroom powders that they say have anti-cancer effects. | ||
| We've put her on an all organic, not dog food diet. | ||
| So like organic chicken from Whole Foods, chopped up, freshly cooked with some potato and sometimes some vegetables. | ||
| And she's been going now for, they told us that she probably have like two to five months, something like that. | ||
| And that even if you have chemo and you're young and do it, that you really only have 10 months. | ||
| We're almost four months in now, and she's doing great. | ||
| She's lost some weight. | ||
| She looks good. | ||
| She feels good. | ||
| I tweet out some videos of her running around. | ||
| She's getting vitamin B shots. | ||
| She's had acupuncture because she's also got arthritis. | ||
| I got a lot of hate. | ||
| I took a picture of her with some acupuncture needles in, and it doesn't really bother her. | ||
| She kind of stands still, but she's not in pain. | ||
| She's not writhing or anything. | ||
| But you know, it's not the most comfortable thing for any of you that have had acupuncture. | ||
| I get it every now and again. | ||
| I know a lot of you are going to say, it's the placebo effect, it's the placebo effect. | ||
| Okay, whatever. | ||
| The point is that with her arthritis, we noticed that she was having trouble sitting, her legs in the back were kind of getting crossed, which is an issue that dogs have with their hips. | ||
| And when she gets the acupuncture, I mean literally she had it done two or three weeks ago. | ||
| That morning she was really having trouble kind of walking straight because the back legs are kind of crossed up so when she'd walk she'd be kind of just veering one way or the other. | ||
| She gets the acupuncture and immediately she can walk fine and then that lasts for weeks. | ||
| So you could tell me it's placebo effect, you could tell me it's nonsense, you could tell me you don't believe in Eastern medicine, you tell me whatever you want but I can tell you what I'm seeing here and that it's actually working. | ||
| So anyway it's been like a really It's been cathartic and it's been sort of a human thing, like the amount of people, I mean I've had hundreds if not thousands of you guys sending me pictures of your older dogs or dogs that you've lost or cats or turtles or whatever and like that human-animal bond, it's pretty cool and you know it's also nice you know it's like in life you don't know whether it's an animal or | ||
| Or a person or a family member or a friend, whatever it is, you know, you don't know when someone's just going to be taken away from you just like that, you know, car accidents, you know, sudden medical thing or whatever it is. | ||
| And it's like to have some time where it's like, oh, you know, your time is limited, but it's not, you know, watching some someone or an animal. | ||
| Just be miserable or in pain or whatever. | ||
| Knowing that you did everything you could do to maximize the amount of time you have together has been pretty awesome. | ||
| So we've been going through that. | ||
| At the same time, I've been writing my book, which I know I've been writing forever, and many of you keep asking me, so here is the story on the book. | ||
| We are officially picked up by one of the big publishers. | ||
| I can't say it yet, however, the book announcement will be on August 1st. | ||
| That is when they will announce the title of my book, the cover, which I'm super excited to show you guys. | ||
| We've got a whole bunch of mock-ups here. | ||
| I'm about 100 pages into the book out of about 250. | ||
| I'm trying to have it done. | ||
| The due date is technically August 1st. | ||
| Now when you get a due date in these contracts, you usually get about a 30 day window. | ||
| But you guys know I go off the grid in August and I'll talk about that in a second. | ||
| So my due date is August 1st. | ||
| I'm really trying to have this thing done by July 1st. | ||
| So we're at the beginning of June now. | ||
| So this is going to be a crazy month. | ||
| I only have one or two traveling things this month. | ||
| I'll probably take one day off for my birthday on June 26, but that that basically is it And really just focusing in on the book and it's also been helping me refine my ideas and try to try to you know We all get caught I think a little bit or at least if you're in this space I think you get caught in sort of the day-to-day operations this person said this today this happened right now and we'd have to comment and this not the other thing but when you're writing a book you want it to be something timeless you want it to be something that that is as relevant five years from when it's published | ||
| as the day that it's published. | ||
| So I think it's really helped me sort of get all my ideas in order. | ||
| I don't wanna say too much of what it's about. | ||
| However, I think you guys can suspect what it's kind of about. | ||
| I mean, it's definitely a little bit about my political evolution | ||
| and sort of the way I see the world sort of going at the moment. | ||
| So it'll be out in May of 2020. | ||
| So August 1st it'll be announced. | ||
| The website will be up. | ||
| You'll be able to take pre-orders. | ||
| I've already got a pretty cool eclectic group of people that are writing, you know, stuff on the back. | ||
| And we got somebody big who I can't mention to write the forward. | ||
| So there's a Yeah, I'm feeling good about it. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| Some of the hate stuff comes in and I can't say that it doesn't affect me at all because sometimes there's a couple hours where I'm like, man... | ||
| It's like for all of the goodness and I built this thing in my in my home and you know I've got a good life and all of those things. | ||
| It's like sometimes the hate really can rattle through you. | ||
| It really can. | ||
| Oh and you know speaking of the hate. | ||
| So Lauren Southern who is one of the four people who I mentioned earlier about these four people that are thought of as my four most controversial interviews. | ||
| I don't know that anyone was ever hurt because of these interviews. | ||
| If anything, when I've put these people on, and I don't mean Lauren specifically, if their ideas are bad, just like any of my other guests, the ideas will be exposed to be bad, and then that's what it is. | ||
| But interestingly, when Kathy Young wrote this piece about me a couple days ago, Lauren Southern sort of jumped to my defense and said and tweeted at Kathy that Kathy had done some sort of what she described as sort of unethical journalistic related things to her and that they used to be friends and Kathy threw her under the bus and a whole bunch of other stuff and Lauren even sent me an email exchange which obviously she didn't want to share publicly and I didn't want to but without getting into the weeds Lauren was telling the truth about the exchange with Kathy | ||
| And it was unfortunate to see Kathy just keep keep jumping in but we know this is what these guys do they always | ||
| double down Always double down always double down it never stopped | ||
| I mentioned this because just was it yesterday or I think maybe it was the day before yesterday | ||
| Lauren Whether you love Lauren or hate Lauren or whatever else. I | ||
| I've found her to be very respectful and interesting and you know | ||
| I haven't seen all of her stuff if she's done some more untoward stuff, but I don't want to make it about that | ||
| She's a great person. | ||
| She announced in a blog post that she's stepping away from public life altogether and probably going back to school and she wrote a really, I thought, heartfelt, honest, decent, Peace, basically, that this can be tough, be it in the public eye, especially in the political space these days, because you watch your friends. | ||
| In this case, Kathy was a former friend of hers. | ||
| As she said in the tweet, she had spent far more time with Kathy than she ever spent with me. | ||
| I only met her when she did my show and one other time for about two minutes. | ||
| But when you watch people that you think you trust and like and that are friends with, turn on you and all of these things. | ||
| She really wrote this interesting thing about how difficult this all can be. | ||
| And she's totally stepping away from public life. | ||
| And it doesn't matter whether I agree with her on everything or disagree with her on everything or somewhere in between, which is obviously where it really is. | ||
| It's like, man, people self-selecting out of this. | ||
| I know how many of you guys, a lot of you guys watch these shows. | ||
| Probably identify with me Because you can't speak about these things in your real life or not that you can't you feel that you can't you feel that if you mention these ideas at work, whatever it might be Or if you mention these ideas to your family to your spouse and your friends You're gonna be ostracized and all of these things and that's such an unfortunate and disappointing way Way of living and yet I understand why you guys do it and the weird thing is that I don't think I am particularly brave or unique or any of those things I think for some reason I am willing to do this or for some reason I started doing it and then the path just kept moving and kept widening and I just kept doing it | ||
| But, you know, it's like we need more people to jump in and start fighting some of the forces. | ||
| Look, I may be more frustrated with some of the stuff on the left, but it doesn't mean that everything on the right is great. | ||
| I think they've done a better job of policing themselves. | ||
| And, you know, there's some interesting debates on the future of conservatism and where libertarianism fits on that. | ||
| There's some really interesting stuff going on there. | ||
| And they're not purging out people just because they disagree with them. | ||
| They're actually having some interesting fights. | ||
| So what we need really more than anything else is for more of you to just start saying what you think. | ||
| You know, I go to these college campuses and kids always ask it. | ||
| It comes up at every single college event that there is. | ||
| They ask, well, I want to get a grade. | ||
| my teachers teaching postmodern leftists, like it could be about, | ||
| they're not even in history classes or politics classes. | ||
| It's like I'm in an art class and my teacher is pushing identity politics down my throat | ||
| or diversity or any of the other buzz things in the day. | ||
| And, you know, but I just wanna get the grade because I wanna get into grad school | ||
| and I wanna get the job and all those things. | ||
| And it's like, you know, Jordan talks about this and I think he does a, | ||
| I'll loosely quote him in a far less eloquent way. | ||
| But one of the things that Jordan talks about is that if you're in college and you write a paper, not because you believe it, but because you want to get the grade. | ||
| Well, let's say you do that when you're a freshman, and it's going to be pretty, pretty easy, pretty hard for you to do the first time, right? | ||
| Because it's like, oh, you know, nobody likes saying things that they know not to be true just for the sort of hope of a future reward or something like that. | ||
| But each time that you do it, it will get subsequently easier until the point will come where you're most likely going to be a senior and you're not even going to remember that person who was a freshman who was stronger and younger and had more will to fight the power and fight the world and all of those things. | ||
| So it's like the more that we all do that, we all just kind of forget who we are and we forget those principles in the first place and that sort of is The slow sort of road to perhaps where we're at right now. | ||
| So we just need more people. | ||
| When kids, I always call them kids, but when college students ask me this question, My answer is like, well, all right, what can I tell you right now? | ||
| Like, they'll be like, what should I do? | ||
| And it's like, imagine if I said to you, all right, you know what? | ||
| Just keep doing the things you don't think are true. | ||
| Don't fight. | ||
| Be quiet now. | ||
| You know, you're not going to magically get braver, right? | ||
| You're not going to be out of college. | ||
| You're going to be like, oh, I've got a mortgage and a dog and a wife and car payments and, you know, got to deal with insurance and a gajillion other things. | ||
| Now I'm going to tell the world what I think. | ||
| It's just not going to happen. | ||
| It's just not going to happen. | ||
| So whatever stage you're at right now, if you've got, you know, it doesn't mean, it doesn't mean just go out, you know, like guns blazing and, and like take out everybody and like, you know, absolutely say what you think at every moment of the day and feel that you're all your coworkers have to listen to you rant and rave and all of those things. | ||
| But if you can push out some of these ideas, Or sometimes when you're at a business lunch, and maybe they're babbling on about how great diversity is, and you know that it's not real diversity, it's faux diversity, that there might be ways you can say certain things. | ||
| And I suspect that you'll feel better about yourself. | ||
| And then if more people start doing it, then more people around them start kind of waking up around these ideas and all these things. | ||
| So I hope that that's what people are going to do, basically. | ||
| And I think I think that maybe we're getting there. | ||
| You know, it's going to be a weird, we got a weird year and a half coming, right? | ||
| Like, you know, this summer rolls into presidential debates already, which think how crazy that is. | ||
| Like, doesn't it feel like just yesterday we were going through the Trump-Hillary thing, and now we're about to start the Democratic debate? | ||
| It's like, ugh. | ||
| God, everything has become so extended. | ||
| These extended, long, crazy things. | ||
| It's a lot. | ||
| It's a lot to deal with. | ||
| But I think that if all of us just start saying what we think a little bit more, because I don't think most of you are racist. | ||
| I don't think most of you are bigots. | ||
| I don't think most people in the United States or anywhere in the West are any of these things. | ||
| And we've acquiesced a lot of our Intellectual debate to people who would love to silence us and that's that's a bad move because they're never gonna give back The right to say what you think they'll gladly take it, but they ain't gonna give it back. | ||
| So so before I wrap up here With all that in mind So my goal is to have the book done by July 1st that way I have a month because I want to try to enjoy a little bit of the summer so that way I have a month in July where I'll do the back and forth with the edits and then I've already told The team behind the book, I've already told them I'm gonna disappear for August. | ||
| I've done the last two Augusts off the grid. | ||
| That is no phone, no TV, no news, no nothing. | ||
| It's very hard to avoid CNN because wherever there is a muted TV in the world, whether it's a airport or a burger joint or a bowling alley, if there's a muted TV, there is CNN. | ||
| So it can be very hard to avoid that. | ||
| I'd go to the gym and I had to do cardio with this the whole time, because I didn't want to see TVs, but I was able to do it. | ||
| And I'm going to issue a challenge. | ||
| I'm going to publicly issue this challenge to a couple other people, a couple other people in my circle, but I want to issue this challenge to you guys, too, so I'm just putting this out here as a floater for now. | ||
| I want to see how many people can actually take August off. | ||
| Like, really do it. | ||
| Now, I get it. | ||
| You might need your phone. | ||
| Like, there were a couple times when I was away for a portion of it, I actually did lock my phone in a safe. | ||
| Then there were moments where, like, I had to, like, pick up people at the airport, so I needed GPS or, like, a few things like that, but made sure not to check my emails and certainly not check Twitter or Instagram or any of that kind of stuff. | ||
| So I don't mean that everyone has to go off the grid, meaning lock your phone away in a safe, but what if a whole bunch of us, what if a couple thousand of us, actually all try to do this at the same time and then report back to each other, you know? | ||
| Actually report back to each other on, you know, how did it feel? | ||
| How did you feel? | ||
| Did you feel more patient? | ||
| Were you nicer to people in real life? | ||
| Did your brain have a Little break did you did you feel decent? | ||
| You know like really do that so I'm gonna issue that challenge to a couple of public people But I hope some of you guys will consider doing it as well And and if look if I get it people have all sorts of different considerations And if you have kids you may need your phone more and all different things But maybe if people could take a week off or if you could take some weekends off or some of that I don't know just try to I think we can reset some of this into something that feels a little bit better Maybe than it than it feels right now Okay, there was one other thing that I wanted to tell you oh and So with all that in mind, and obviously the theme here has been about sort of platforming and conversation and all that, so as you guys know, Jordan Peterson and I, we left Patreon back in December, and that was shortly after Carl Benjamin, Sargon of Akkad, had been kicked off of Patreon for saying the N-word, except he didn't even say it on Patreon's platform. | ||
| Not only that, he didn't even say it on his YouTube channel. | ||
| He said it on a third-party YouTube channel. | ||
| He also didn't say the N-word in a pejorative way. | ||
| He was saying it to mock the people who use language like that, but Patreon booted him. | ||
| And Jordan Peterson and I and Sam Harris, we all left Patreon because we just felt | ||
| they're not respecting free speech in a way that we think is okay now. | ||
| Look, we get it that all of these platforms have booted different people, and it's like, | ||
| we all can't cancel all of our accounts on all of these things. | ||
| We need some modes of communication to get to you guys, right? | ||
| YouTube's done some shady stuff. | ||
| I can't shut down YouTube tomorrow. | ||
| But what we did promise you, so we left, and for me... | ||
| When we left, Patreon was about 70% of my company's revenue. | ||
| Now, we got several full timers, we got several bar timers. | ||
| I don't think a normal person, a normal business person, and maybe I guess I'm just not, would voluntarily give up 70% of their company's revenue, but we decided to push everybody to our website. | ||
| I'm happy to report actually that by going to DaveRubin.com slash donate we got a huge percentage of you guys to come over and our revenue actually bumped up a nice amount because I think there's a real bravery deficit out there in the world right now and if you show a little bravery I will do something that puts me at risk. | ||
| to do something because I think it is the right thing to do, I'm thrilled and elated and honored and humbled | ||
| to say that you guys supported me along the way. | ||
| So we moved all of our support over there, which by the way was also good for us | ||
| because then we cut out the middle man so we didn't have to give Patreon a percentage of that. | ||
| So it's daverubin.com slash donate if you'd like to jump in, | ||
| which right now, the only reward we offer right now, I mean, you're supporting the show, period, | ||
| because as you know, the YouTube rev is a freaking mess and the rest of it, | ||
| so you're supporting the show, that's the number one thing. | ||
| There is also an ad-free podcast there, so if you don't wanna listen to ads anymore on the podcast, we have an ad-free podcast feed, but more importantly than that, one of the things that Jordan and I talked about, we did a couple live streams that you may remember, just some Google Hangout stuff, about what some of the solutions are. | ||
| And everyone's talking about this now. | ||
| I mean, I went on Drudge today, and the lead is now that the government's starting to get involved in the tech companies. | ||
| So there's a lot of movement in this space. | ||
| And over the past couple months, we have had conversations. | ||
| First off, I had everyone and their brother that has ever touched a computer email me that they have the solution how to decentralize and use blockchain and, you know, BitTorrent and video this and audio that and, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| We took all sorts of meetings. | ||
| I mean, this was on top of writing my book and traveling and everything else. | ||
| Suddenly, I felt like I was a tech guru, basically. | ||
| But Jordan and I have been working on something for quite some time, and we're trying to figure out exactly how that's going to be launched. | ||
| Jordan has some personal stuff going on at the moment that some of you guys may know about, and I'm sure he'll address publicly at some point. | ||
| But it's not my place to get into that. | ||
| Sort of in a little bit of a holding pattern on that. | ||
| I can also tell you that I started another tech company a couple weeks ago. | ||
| We just got some nice investment and we're building something that I think is a real, truly, truly, truly a real answer to a lot of this stuff. | ||
| And we've got some good people with the right minds behind us to help do this. | ||
| So I guess I'm heading up another company in the midst of all this if I didn't have enough to do. | ||
| So what I think will happen is that product which we're building right now, my hope is to have that debut the day I come back in September. | ||
| There'll be a couple things that happened before then and we're working on some other distribution stuff that I kind of hinted at last week. | ||
| I don't mean to be so sort of cryptic or evasive about all these things but it's sort of like I'm just kind of letting you guys know like the all these things are in the works and things you know a lot of people get very impatient oh you and Jordan said you were gonna have something and it's like it's three months later and it's like it all take everything takes time whatever you're doing whether you're building a platform whether you're building an app whether you're doing anything in this space like it's not even just about physically building these things it's not about just building the tech you know figuring out terms of service making sure the payment processors don't take you down make sure that you know there aren't legal issues and what happens if | ||
| You know someone says something in India that they're not allowed or Pakistan that they're not allowed to say on your American platform and all of all of those things and what if you put on a lot of people that have been de-platformed on the other platforms and then the big tech guys come after you too like we just have to think all of these things through and involves lawyers and and a whole slew of things so I say all of that just to say just just bear with us these things are all we're working on all of them and Still doing the show, still traveling, all that stuff. | ||
| By the way, we're starting to book travel now, my travel gigs now for the fall. | ||
| So if you want me to come to your college or your private event or something like that, you can go to daverubin.com slash contact. | ||
| There's a form there and just submit it. | ||
| I send it over to my people and if we can work it out. | ||
| I really, I mean, the thing that I enjoyed the most about this past year was getting out there, being on the road and just meeting so many of you guys and doing the meet and greets. | ||
| And it's like, it makes it all real. | ||
| It makes it all real and worthwhile and all that good stuff. | ||
| So, I think that's all I got for now. | ||
| If you want a classical liberal shirt, there's a link right down below. | ||
| I think we cleaned up some of the mess. | ||
| I think we talked about some of the things. | ||
| This felt good to me. | ||
| Let me have another sip of water before I leave. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| I just did an interview this morning with Robbie Suave. | ||
| Robbie Suave, that's a name. | ||
| Robbie Suave. | ||
| Got his book right here. | ||
| Robbie Suave, guy's got higher hair than me. | ||
| That was a little disappointing. | ||
| But it was a really interesting interview. | ||
| He's an editor at Reason Magazine and wrote this book, which is coming out in a week or two. | ||
| I've been reading it. | ||
| It's really interesting. | ||
| Sort of gets into all the little micro networks that are just popping up all over the place from democratic socialists and TERFs and alt-right and just all these little different, the trans feminists and the blah, blah, blah. | ||
| And he just sort of talks about all, he actually interviews lots of different people from all these different groups and sort of collects all his thoughts and sort of has a nice sort of explanation of what's going on on college campuses, particularly at a very sort of insider level. | ||
| So that's a good interview that will be up next week. | ||
| We've got a live stream, ladles and jelly spoons, with presidential candidate, Democratic presidential candidate, Andrew Yang. | ||
| Is this Friday? | ||
| What time is that going to be? | ||
| Do we know what time? | ||
| Can I get a time? | ||
| Can anyone look at me with a time? | ||
| Anyone got a time? | ||
| Is there a time? | ||
| I don't know what time it is. | ||
| I think it's around noon Pacific, if I'm not mistaken. | ||
| Around noon Pacific? | ||
| 12.30 Pacific. | ||
| Andrew Yang. | ||
| He's agreed to do it live. | ||
| We're gonna do it live. | ||
| I want to talk to him, obviously, about universal basic income. | ||
| I want to talk about identity politics, what's going on with the Democratic Party. | ||
| He strikes me as a pretty competent, really interesting candidate, and we'll have a great conversation. | ||
| Maybe Mayor Pete's people will watch and go, oh, you know, that Rubin guy, for him, all right, you know, he's not that bad. | ||
| Anyway, I'm gonna have, of course, the same type of respectful conversation I've had with anyone else. | ||
| So we're going to do that on Friday at 12 30 p.m. | ||
| Pacific. | ||
| So I hope you guys will watch that. | ||
| And just another reminder, please click that subscription thing, the subscription button and make sure the bell says notifications and all that good stuff. | ||
| And you know, we crossed a million. | ||
| Thank you guys. | ||
| We're going to keep going. | ||
| We're doing our thing. | ||
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