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Sept. 4, 2018 - Rubin Report - Dave Rubin
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dave rubin
All right.
Wow.
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When you get back on the grid, you really get back on the grid.
dave rubin
We are live for the second time today.
I am the guy on the show wearing the shirt of the show.
I'll get into that a little bit more in just a second.
But I wanted to do Just a live stream just directly with you guys.
It was great to sit down with Ben, and I knew that was going to be fun.
I knew it was going to be kind of cathartic.
I knew it was going to be a little nutty.
It was just going to be a little bit of everything, because after not ingesting the news since August 1st, about 34 days, obviously I had missed a lot, but I also had time personally to kind of work on some things I wanted to work on, clear out some space in my brain.
There was a one-week period, so I actually The last week, so all of last week before I got back on, ended up being a work week.
I wasn't on my computer and I wasn't, you know, I wasn't doing anything obviously on social media or emailing or that kind of stuff, but I was taking a couple phone calls and we were doing a lot of work here because as of today we launched a new website, DaveRubin.com, which we had been trying to get for at least 10 years, maybe 15 years.
There's Dave Rubin in the middle of the country somewhere who had this family website, but he slowly wasn't using it,
or he was using it less and less over the course of a couple years.
We were finally able to get that from him, so we now have DaveRubin.com.
So all things Rubin Report, you can still go to RubinReport.com,
it's gonna send you over to DaveRubin.com.
And all things Rubin Report will be there.
You can find out more about the show.
You can also find out my live events.
I'm back into standup again.
I'm on tour with Peterson.
Actually, I leave tomorrow morning and head out to Rochester tomorrow,
then Long Island, my home island on the 6th, then we're up in Connecticut.
Then on the 8th, I'm doing an event in New York City with Faisal Al-Mutar, who's been on the show,
and with Eric Weinstein and a couple other people.
I think Melissa Chen is hosting that one.
Anyway, there's just a ton of stuff going on.
It was just incredible to be away for a bit.
You know, like I saw a couple people on Twitter.
I actually only look at my Twitter mentions once or twice today.
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But I saw a couple people like, oh, how can you say you're like a news person or in the news or whatever and take time off from all of this?
Like, you know, that's not possible.
dave rubin
And it's like, actually, I feel I feel more clear on things now.
I sense like little bit of clarity with some things and I think getting
away from the noise is as important as being part of it all the time and I think everyone could
use a little bit of an escape more. I think part of the problem right now is that we don't have enough escape. So
yeah, so launch a new website.
We redid the set, which was a tremendous amount of work.
So we wanted the set to look a little bit more like my house itself.
We want it to be a little more slim and trim.
Amir, can we jump to the wide shot for a second?
Is that possible while we're doing this?
So, uh, we, uh, whoop, give me a signal.
We can't do it!
Okay, we can't do it.
That's all right.
All right.
Well, what we're gonna do is I'm gonna talk a bit about Patreon in a second, and we'll do some behind-the-scenes video stuff on Patreon that'll show you that.
We're gonna do a picture.
We're gonna do a picture!
Okay!
Uh, yeah.
So we wanted the set just to feel a little more, uh, a little more minimal.
I love the set that we had before.
We had it for about two years.
But it's good to just freshen things up.
So we've got new artwork on the wall.
The picture that is behind me and behind the guest are done by Kaelin Rose-Janet, who's done a bunch of artwork for us, and I have a lot of her art in my house.
Um, these shelves right here, I don't want to brag, people.
All right, you can bring it back to...
Yeah, either way.
The shelves over there, don't want to brag, but they are from Ikea.
And I do have a bunch of them in my house.
In the middle of the thing there, we've got some of my old stand-up tapes from the late 90s.
We've got every book that is now on the set, by the way, is a book of a guest of the Rubin Report.
We thought that was pretty cool before we had a mix of just some other people who have influenced me and things.
We have new carpet, new table, new chairs.
We changed some lighting things.
So basically it was just like a big reinvestment in all the things that we're doing here.
I think it's good to just, A, I think it's good to reinvest in things.
I think it's good visually just to mix things up.
And I think I just wanted, I just felt like doing something fresh after taking a big break like this.
So new website, new set.
You may have noticed we have a new theme song.
So I found, so one of the things I was doing.
When I was off the grid was I was listening to a lot of music, and I've lately really, really been into non-vocal music.
So just, you know, like music, but no singing, no words.
I get it.
You love a girl.
You lost a girl.
OK, it's all good.
So I've really been into synth wave lately, which I really liked.
I always like these sort of long, melodic, sort of futuristic-y, but kind of 80s throwback music interludes.
You know, the movie Oblivion, I really love the soundtrack.
Tron, the movie, I love the soundtrack.
You know, there's a bunch of this stuff out there.
So I was really into Synthwave and I came across this guy, Marvel83, and I just loved everything the guy was doing.
It was just, while I was away, it was just speaking to me.
The tenor of it, the tone of it, it felt like sort of real but also thoughtful and decent.
So there was a song by him, which you can check out on YouTube later, called Venice Beach, and that was the song
that I really wanted to be the theme song, and we laid it in a couple times.
We couldn't get it quite right, so we ended up going with another song called Every Evening,
which I dig just as much, and he's kind of sampling his own song from that, and he's a great guy,
and we chatted a bit, he's in the Czech Republic.
So Marvel83, if you're watching, thank you for the song.
So we reinvested in all that.
And as you can see, we have a new graphics package.
So the video that you saw when we came in and the lower thirds, as we call them, and the guest name pop up and swipes and all kinds of other stuff is all new.
But the real big thing.
And then I'll take your questions and I'll talk a little bit more about being off the grid and that kind of stuff.
The real big thing that we relaunched today was we relaunched our Patreon.
Now, we got on Patreon in June, I think, of 2016, and we were basically the first
of these sort of political talk show things to be on Patreon.
It was a lot of video game things, it was a lot of more anime stuff,
I don't know, that kind of thing.
And we jumped in, and I've told this story before, but the night before we launched,
and we had left our jobs at Ora TV, we left our salaries and insurance,
and the whole thing, I said to David and Amir, I was like, "Look, this thing could go bust tomorrow."
Like, maybe we really just screwed up, and I don't think we did, but we shall see.
And within hours of launching, we realized that we were gonna be okay, and the show has grown exponentially since then.
We've expanded the team.
We just had another hire, actually, over the summer, which is thanks to you guys on Patreon.
So we just hired Helen, who is now my assistant and assistant to the Rubin Report, and she's just great, and I'm sure you guys will meet her at some point as well.
And we're still looking to expand beyond that with some graphics people and some other things.
So the show has just grown and grown and grown and I'm really proud of what we've built and what we realized though was we wanted to clean up Patreon because we were in so early that we did some things that maybe we wanted to do differently.
You guys know I do this day.
I do an 8 a.m.
to 8 p.m.
day once a month where I do these one-on, mostly one-on-one chats with people who are the very high tier people and we realized that because I'm on tour with Jordan Peterson now and this is basically, we're rolling into 2019 on this, I'm about to do another like 50 stops with him, 16 in Europe, Which is all on DaveRubin.com.
I don't think the European stuff actually is there yet.
Because we're finalizing, I might miss one or two in the middle.
But we've got all our dates on there and stand-up dates and all that.
But the point is, we're expanding, we're building everything we're doing, and we felt that I was just, I didn't have as much time to do the one-on-ones.
And we wanted to change the tiers, so in many cases, if you are on Patreon and you're one of our patrons, you are now getting more for less.
We're gonna try to make the live streams and the AMAs, this kind of thing, a little bit bigger and more engaging.
But also one of the things that I really realized when we were off the grid, Was that, look, everyone, look, the internet's great, social media, it's all good, you know, we can complain about it all the time, and obviously we all have issues with it, and people are seemingly acting crazy, and behavior's online, or leaking into real life, and okay, all that stuff.
But I do think that overall, the conversations that are happening, this is a net good.
I still think it's a net good.
But the trolls and the haters, not even the trolls as much, but just like haters, and just all that stuff, are just ransacking everything.
They're just like going through and destroying everything.
So our feeling was if we can build some real community on Patreon, where for, you know, a couple bucks, you can get in and, you know, we post all our videos there, you can chat with people who you might agree with, might disagree with, but do it in somewhat of a respectful manner.
And if you won't do that, we'll just return your money and that's it.
We thought it would be a cool thing to do.
So that's why we launched Rubin Select and we posted a video this morning all about that.
So, you know, since we Launched originally on Patreon, as I said, back in I think June of 2016.
We really haven't done, I think maybe one other time, we did a real push for it.
But we do want people to know about it today, because by being on Patreon, you guys have allowed me to say no.
I said no to at least three networks in the last year that wanted me to join and be part of things.
I've said no to bigger money offers, a whole series of other things,
because I'm controlling what we do here and we've got a great small business,
and as I said, we're expanding, and that really is because of you guys.
So here's what we're gonna do.
So anyone, if you go to patreon.com/reubenreport right now, anyone that donates any amount will get a live shout out
on the stream right now.
I've got a handy iPad here with all sorts of questions and a bunch of other things.
So rubinreport.com slash patreon and donate any amount right there and you're gonna get a live shout out and then we are going to I'm sorry, it's not any amount, it's level one or above.
You'll understand it when you get there.
Level one or above, I'm gonna give you a shout out.
If I did any amount, it would be completely insane and I'd be screaming my head off for the next five hours.
Or if you increase up to level one.
And then, let's just see, I wanna get this all straight.
Okay, if you join level five or above while I am live, right now, I will Skype with you as a thank you after this show.
That's right, I'm devoting the whole day to it today.
And then I head back out on the road.
So if you donate to level five or above, you're gonna get a Skype one-on-one video thank you from me today, I promise you that.
A couple just came in, John and Ben, thank you very much.
And if you, so level one, you're gonna get a verbal shout out.
Level two, okay, why am I wearing this shirt?
So this was our original Patreon exclusive T-shirt.
So only people who are at the t-shirt level of Patreon for the last two years have this shirt.
It's kind of fun because I see it out in the Peterson crowd sometimes.
People have worn it to stand-up shows and wherever else.
I've seen one or two on the street.
I saw one at the mall the other day.
So if you donate, but we're not using these shirts anymore because now our new Patreon shirts are Rubin Select shirts, so these are the old shirts.
We've got a bunch left over, so there's a limited amount because we're not going to be printing any more of them.
So if you donate now, while I am live, at level 2 or above, you are going to get The original Rubin Report Patreon t-shirt.
That's right.
We're going to send that to you.
And the select members are getting the new t-shirt that's at a higher level.
Shout out to Jack.
OK.
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All right.
dave rubin
So I want to make this a little bit about that kind of fundraising and talking about that.
But I also want to answer your questions.
I know you guys have a lot of questions about the off the grid.
Yo Dave, where do you get your shirts, your dress shirts?
and everything else.
So let's go, let's just start doing some stuff.
And I'm gonna go to Patreon first, though I will jump in on Super Chat as well.
When is Kanye West coming on the show?
I am pretty sure it's gonna happen.
Like, just give me a little time on it.
It's one of these things, it's out there in the universe.
This guy operates in the universe.
We're gonna make it happen at some point.
Yo Dave, where do you get your shirts, your dress shirts?
I think they're awesome.
So most of my dress shirts, I'm hesitant to say it because then everyone's gonna start wearing them
and then it won't look as cool.
But most of my dress shirts are Ted Baker, which there are Ted Baker stores.
I think they're in Nordstrom or Bloomingdale's.
But I've got about five of those on rotation that I really do dig and I know people really like them.
But please don't wear them all over the place 'cause then it won't be special anymore.
And that's obviously.
Very important.
I'd be happy to have Michael on the show.
I think there was some discussion about it before I got off the grid.
We'll make it happen.
We've got some great shows coming up, by the way.
We've already booked out basically through October because my travels are so crazy, we had to get ahead of the eight ball here.
Our guest next week probably is the biggest get we've ever had.
We've been in the works on this thing for Gosh, eight months or so.
We were supposed to have this person on in May, and then there was a little hiccup.
But next week, it's probably our biggest get yet, and I think sort of what will be viewed as a game-changing interview.
So I'm super psyched about that.
As I said, I head to Rochester tomorrow, then Long Island, then Connecticut.
Then I come home for that interview.
Then I head out to four different cities in Florida with Peterson.
Then I actually have a couple days at my parents' house.
Then I'm down in Grand Rapids.
We're all over the place, so lots happening, lots happening here.
Remember, you're going to get a shout-out if you join at level 2 or above.
You're going to get a shout-out right now, like Jonathan!
You just got a shout-out, my friend!
Thank you very much!
And if you jump in at level 5 or above, you're going to get a Skype thank you from me right now.
And by the way, the whole point of creating Rubin Select, as I said, not only do I wanna create community there
where you can actually chat and engage with and respond to people without just the endless noise.
Look, that thing's always gonna exist.
Look, this is the beauty, this is the catch-22 of the internet, right?
We put all of these things out there, or I don't know that we put them out there,
all of these things got out there.
Twitter, Facebook, MySpace, Friendster, all of these social media things,
and we never knew exactly what we were doing.
And we started being friends with our coworkers and then connecting with someone from 20 years ago
who then you were never gonna connect with again after one connection, and all of these things.
And it just became this giant cacophony of craziness.
And I know how many of you care about these issues that we talk about on the show just as much as I do.
And I think by creating a little home, a little space for that,
and by throwing a couple bucks in, it's gonna eliminate 99% of the haters.
I mean, that's the irony.
The ante to get in the game is so low because you can create a zillion burner accounts on Twitter and just a million anonymous accounts, and the bots have been ramped up and all of that stuff.
That is ruining a lot of the goodness, and it's making good people crazy.
So I really wanted to try to create or at least foster an atmosphere where people would be able
to have good conversations and my guys will be in there furthering the conversations.
I'm gonna jump in when I'm on the plane and I have time and I'll be checking in with you guys and responding
and all that good stuff.
And so the level five tier that we have on Rubin Select now is the group Google Hangouts.
So I used to be doing all these one-on-ones in a couple groups.
We've expanded the group Google Hangouts to a bunch of them.
I think there are 100 slots total, and we do groups of 20 and then groups of 10 and groups of 5, depending on how much you donate.
And I have to tell you, they have been amazing.
I mean, the last two years that I've been able to once a month talk to a group of you guys
from all over the world, sometimes I'm talking to people from Australia and Mexico and Japan and Brazil,
all in one group and people have gotten to know each other.
It's also helped me frame some of my ideas 'cause when you talk to people all over the world
and they're every gender and sexuality and religion and all that,
and you go, wow, we're all kind of thinking about the same stuff.
It really makes you see how actually small the world is and that we can all care or be concerned about the same things.
It's pretty great.
Molly, welcome aboard.
Thank you very much.
Michael, how you doing, my friend?
All right, let's see.
Do you see any viable way back to civility for a political party that is called the other side and it's 30% of voters Nazis?
So Ben and I touched on this a little bit earlier.
It's going to be tough.
Man, there's a fly in here.
A fly has made its way into the new Rubin Report set.
It's going to be very tough.
If your strategy and your go-to move is always to say that the other people do this because they're racist, It's hard to back out of that, right?
And this is where the Democrats find themselves.
It seems pretty clear to me after talking to Ben that there was no backing away from that, that if anything it's just gotten worse.
So I don't know how much worse it has to get.
I mean, this is the million dollar question.
How much worse does This sort of collectivist, leftist monster have to get before it implodes.
Now look, it could implode if they do really badly in the midterms.
It could start imploding, but I don't want to talk about this only through an American lens because this isn't only an American phenomena.
I'm getting messages from all sorts of people all over the world that are dealing with this in their own countries.
Mexico, for example, just voted in a very left government.
I don't know how you do it.
How do you call someone a Nazi forever, and then finally you wake up and you go, oh, well, I guess you're not a Nazi, I'm just an asshole?
Then you gotta really turn the lens on yourself, which is a tough one.
But I do know this, that for the last couple months I've been on this tour with Peterson, I've done all sorts of speaking events, I've been back on tour doing stand-up, we've sold out every single show that I've done, and I am meeting Thousands and thousands of great people out there and people who agree and disagree and I'll have one of the shows we were in Seattle I brought Eric Weinstein on so what I try to do at the stand-up shows is I usually do about an hour of stand-up and then I bring on one of the IDW guys so I've brought on Eric Weinstein I brought on Brett Weinstein I brought on Christina Hoff Summers we have a special guest coming to the show in Salt Lake City and a whole bunch of others
Um, but in the audience I had, there was a, there was a black MAGA hat wearing Trump supporter, and I'm only mentioning his race because people seem to, if you look at the world through this lens, then this is important.
And this white guy who happened to have a shaved head, so basically looked like a skinhead, and he was a, he was a liberal, right?
So these people are flipping the script, and we kind of got into it, and I was playing with both him and the crowd.
They got up in the middle of the show and hugged.
So I'm telling you there are great things happening out there and the media doesn't want you to see it because they want to keep you in this endless fight machine and just this hate machine and all this other stuff.
But don't fall for it.
Just don't fall for it, guys.
All right, quick shoutouts to Jeremy, Thomas, Noah, Ian, Jacob, Chevy, and Beth.
Great names, people.
All very short names.
A lot of one- and two-syllable people right there.
Okay, we're gonna need some fly spray in here.
I'm being attacked over here.
Okay, here we go.
I'm gonna jump back into Patreon.
Is there any chance of an IDW Summit in the future to bring together all the thinkers everyone has come to be drawn to?
While you guys collaborate very frequently and everyone's schedules are packed, it would be very exciting to bring together this group with their diverse fan bases for a large forum discussion.
I can't say too much on this, but there are a lot of discussions about that.
There are discussions not only amongst ourselves, but amongst a lot of representation.
We're trying to figure it out.
Also, you've got to remember, Jordan and I are now on tour basically through the rest of 2018, and then we're going, I think, to Australia in February of 2019.
and then maybe one or two, I think it's gonna end officially in March.
Sam's doing live shows again, Ben just did a couple live shows.
So there's like a tremendous amount to coordinate.
The beauty of this thing is we know it's all working.
Every single one of us that is doing this stuff is working and people are coming out and spending
their hard-earned money to listen to people talk about ideas.
And as I said before, the shows with Jordan, those are the ones that I'm most familiar with, obviously,
They've just been a true joy.
I mean, they've been a true joy.
A couple protestors here and there, and I've walked out and I've talked to some of the protestors and whatever.
But we have to just coordinate a massive bunch of stuff.
And also figure out what do we all want.
We all want and need different things.
Some of us have shows.
Some of us are academics who are now caught on the outside of that.
Bret Weinstein and Heather Hying, for example.
Somebody like Eric Weinstein, who's been sort of the architect of this whole thing.
The guy's got a job.
He works at Thiel Capital.
So we're trying to figure out how to figure out all of this and get all the parts right.
One thing I can tell you for sure is there isn't a lot of ego management.
I know you'd think that maybe with all these big names and fan bases or whatever that you'd have a lot of that kind of stuff.
There really hasn't been any of that.
We're trying to figure it out.
I know a bunch of you saw that picture when the bunch of us, Rogan, Peterson, Sam, Ben, Eric, me, went out to dinner.
It's like we just had a freaking great time and we barely talked about politics.
We talked about psychedelics more than we talked about politics.
So trust me, we're working on all these things.
All right, reminder, level one, if you go to RubinReport.com slash Patreon right now, or DaveRubin.com slash donate, you're gonna get a verbal shout out if you jump in at level one or above.
Level two or above, we're gonna send you the original RubinReport Patreon t-shirt.
We've only got limited amounts left.
We are not making them anymore, because they're gonna be RubinSelect t-shirts right now.
So this t-shirt that I'm wearing can be yours, people.
Level five or above, I'm gonna Skype ya.
Right after this, we're gonna shut down and I'll Skype you as a personal thank you.
I will gladly say hello.
We can talk one-on-one for a couple minutes.
Happy to do that.
Steve, welcome aboard.
Thank you very much.
What else did I want to tell you?
All right, let's jump into questions for a second.
Super Chat, love the new set.
Keep up the good discussions.
That is the plan.
Hey Dave, I'm going to be at the Connecticut 12 Rules for Life event.
I was wondering if you're going to be opening or be part of that event.
Thanks so much.
Love the show a lot.
Keep up the good work.
I will be there.
So I open up the show.
I do about 10 or 15 minutes of standup.
I get everybody going and screaming and laughing.
Jordan comes on.
He does about an hour and a half.
As I've said before, it's different every night.
It's been a true joy to watch and it's humbling as shit for somebody like me,
because it's like, man, this guy changes it up.
He explores where his intellect wants to go.
I can see him weaving in and out of ideas and kind of pushing an idea further one night
and then really jumping the next night.
The Q and A's, then I jump back in.
He does it the hour and a half.
I jump back in for about a half hour, 45 minutes of Q and A where I take some audience questions.
And that's, to me, that's my favorite part.
And I actually think the audience probably likes it the most
and I actually think the audience probably likes it the most
'cause Jordan and I get to play around.
'cause Jordan and I get to play around, I get to make him laugh, make the audience laugh.
I get to make him laugh, make the audience laugh.
The audience loves seeing the guy laugh.
The audience loves seeing the guy laugh.
So you're gonna absolutely have a ball.
So you're gonna absolutely have a ball, so look forward to that.
So look forward to that.
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By the way, if you've pledged at the level five tier To me, that's my favorite part,
dave rubin
By the way, if you've pledged at the level five tier or above, email contact@rubinreport.com
with your Skype name so that we know we can grab you on Skype after this.
Or actually, if you've pledged any of the things.
So if you've pledged and I need your Skype name, or if you're pledging we need your shirt size
and mailing address and all that, contact@rubinreport.com.
Kevin, how you doing, man?
Thank you very much, welcome aboard.
Where did that red chair run off to?
Okay, so we were trying to figure out what to do.
So it was a crazy month of doing all this.
Even though we were off the grid, we busted our asses.
Special shout out to Amira, who coordinated all of this.
David and I were away for a little bit and there was just like boxes being delivered every day
and things being moved and you know, it all looks so easy like when you guys see it,
but it really wasn't.
So basically the entire set then got moved into our control room and it was just stacked up
and you couldn't move anywhere.
So we're trying to figure out what to do with all the stuff because you know, part of me is like, you know,
we should, I don't know what to do.
Like, I wanted to put some of it in my house.
Like, I like the stuff.
I know a lot of people would want the red chair.
You know, we have two of the green chairs where the guests sat.
We've got the artwork that was behind me.
We've got the artwork that was behind the guests.
I think that maybe we're just going to just offer it to the highest bidder or not even to the highest bidder.
You know what?
This is what we'll do for now.
Let's just see if something happens here.
I have no idea.
And I'm just doing this off the top of my head.
If you if you want to make an offer on any of this stuff, just email us with what you want to offer.
We've got the red chair.
We've got the old table, by the way.
We've got the chairs.
We've got some artwork.
Pick something that was on the old set.
Make us an offer.
If you don't have a lot of money, make a case why we should just send you something.
Let's just see what happens.
Let's just see what happens and maybe we'll send you guys some stuff.
I can't make any promises yet.
Let me just see what kind of response we get on that.
Something like that sounds nice.
Let's see.
Thoughts on the war on In-N-Out and thought on Eric Bauman's call for a boycott on the
Literally, as we were having lunch just now, David said something about the war on In-N-Out.
I'm a little unclear.
They donated some money.
Someone at In-N-Out donated some money to a conservative cause.
I will be very clear on this.
I don't know the exact details of the story yet.
In-N-Out is delicious.
I get it animal style, and now because I'm doing the paleo thing, I do protein style, which is no bun, you just get it on a lettuce wrap.
It is absolutely delicious, and much like Chick-fil-A, I'm not going to stop eating it because some hysterical person doesn't want me to eat it.
So that's all I can say about that.
Keegan, welcome aboard.
Dave, welcome aboard.
Sean, welcome aboard.
Thank you guys.
Appreciate the support.
And remember, when you're jumping in at that level one or above, you now have access to all of our videos in the Patreon feed.
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But more importantly than us, you'll be able to interact with some other people who actually want to engage in these ideas.
And I know that friendships have been formed over these things.
when we've done the group hangout things, I've now, I've become friends with some of these people,
also some of the one-on-one people and the group people, but I've been to dinner with some people,
we've done some business deals with some people, I know people have done other business deals
with other people, so we can actually create a secondary, I'm not trying to replace Twitter,
I'm not trying to build a new internet or any of that, but I think we can create a little bit of a home
for some cool people who actually want to engage ideas and be respectful and also meet other like-minded people.
I think that's what we can create, so it's pretty cool.
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Did you see that?
I just whacked that fly, like Mr. Miyagi over here.
Get me some chopsticks, guys.
Alright, here we go.
Thoughts on the loss of Austin Peterson.
Did he lose?
So I didn't even know that.
One of the only politicians I like.
Trump endorsed Republican in name only Josh Hawley.
Also thoughts on Larry Schaap, Libertarians in Lost Cause District.
So first off, I guess I didn't even know that that election.
I guess it was the Republican primary and Trump endorsed this other guy, Hawley.
That's a shame.
I really like Austin.
We have a couple disagreements, but I think he's a decent guy who's in it for the right reasons, and you haven't seen the last of him, I promise you that.
Larry Sharpe, I had on the show about two months ago, really liked the guy.
Libertarian, running for governor of New York.
I think he's got big ideas.
I think he's pretty fearless.
He's a good advocate for the ideas of libertarianism and limited government.
So I hope he gets a good showing.
You know, the second part of your question was about libertarians in lost cause districts.
Nothing's always a lost cause.
And I know that argument.
There's always this argument that I now see more from the right, but it flips every now and again.
So, for example, there used to be an argument that Ralph Nader would hurt Democrats more because he was going to get more votes from Al Gore than he would have got from George W. Bush, and that probably was true.
But now that is flipped where it's like, generally speaking, Libertarians, which is the only viable potential third party thing at the moment, far more than the Green Party, they're going to siphon off more votes from Republicans than Democrats, which Republicans then are like, whoa, whoa, whoa, forget the third party because we don't want to risk it.
You know, that's a short-term strategy that I understand, but if you really want to change ideas over time, you need to start getting some of these people involved.
So I don't know that, look, we're not getting a libertarian or even a more classical liberal presidential candidate, certainly from the Democrats, in the next, you know, four or eight years.
But what you can do is you can start flipping little districts, probably more so in the middle of the country where libertarian ideas I think have a better root than, say, in big cities, You can start flipping some of those and getting some more of those ideas out there.
I mean, look, why is this show working?
Why do I get the amount of hate that I get?
It's because I've given a little room for these ideas to grow, so it's pretty awesome.
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Thank you very much, my friend.
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Okay, let's see.
I got the meet and greet for Jordan Peterson in Westbury.
Will you be at that meet and greet as well?
So first off, I'm super psyched for this show.
It's on September 6th.
That's my hometown.
Well, Long Island's not a town, but I grew up in Long Island.
I'm from Long Island.
I love Long Island.
I grew up a couple towns over actually.
I will be at the show.
So the meet and greet situation, so this is what they do at these.
You pay a little bit extra, I don't know the number offhand, and you can meet Jordan.
He does a private talk.
It's often for about 30 or 40 people.
He answers a couple extra questions.
You get a picture with him, an autograph.
I was just going for this last three months.
I would just go out into the crowd after and I'd talk to as many people as possible and it was all good.
My guys and the promoters, my agents and the promoters, said it was just too much of a mess to have me doing that.
And also because I generally like to stay as late as everyone.
I don't want anyone to walk out there and be like, oh Ruben didn't say hi to me and all that.
So I'd be hanging around for a long time.
So we're actually doing a separate meet and greet for me.
So my meet and greet will be first, then Jordan's.
Some people are going to go to both.
Some people are going to go to some.
I don't know the website off the top of my head.
I think it's omgvip.com slash Dave-Rubin?
Something like that?
Close enough?
Slash Dave-Rubin.
Omgvip.com slash Dave-Rubin.
And you can buy tickets to the meet and greet for me.
I'll hang out and I'll sign autographs and take selfies and all that good stuff.
And usually Jordan and I, we stay as long as we possibly can.
So we haven't even really started promoting that yet because I've been off the grid.
But I'd love to meet you in Westbury if you want to come on down.
Patreon, do you consider Maajid Nawaz and Douglas Murray as part of the IDW?
Well, as I've said from the beginning, I don't know that it's for me specifically, certainly, but I don't know who it's for to say who is really part of this amorphous thing, but I certainly would consider those two of them.
Both of those guys, part of it.
Look, I think one of the things that you have to have if you're in this is you have to have a willingness to have difficult conversations.
Majid is absolutely having that about reforming his own religion.
Douglas is certainly having that when it comes to dealing with immigration specifically, but a slew of other issues for Douglas as well.
I think you also have to be tried by fire a little bit.
Those guys have been through the hate machine.
I think that for whatever the differences are, you know, Douglas is a gay conservative.
Majid is a liberal Muslim.
Again, all these label things.
We've put a pretty diverse group of people here together.
I love both of those guys.
We had a wonderful dinner at Douglas'.
House with his partner, and Jordan and his wife, and Majid and his wife, just a great dinner in London a while back, so these are good people.
Where is Emma?
You know, I tweeted out a picture of Emma, 14 years old, greatest dog alive, that we were gonna be in here, and she left right before we started, so if you wanna send her in, feel free, but you know, she's an old timer now.
Marushia, thank you very much, welcome aboard to Patreon.
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I am still getting a slew of people telling me they are not getting our
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person said no, I'm not gonna do this anymore Basically, I'm moving on to other things. They didn't give
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It is what it is with YouTube.
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We looked at our subscription thing today, and it's like, it jumps, and then it lowers, and it jumps, and it lowers, and it keeps growing.
But we know it should be growing a lot faster than it is, although it's growing quite fast.
One other thing on Patreon, on YouTube by the way, I just found out this this morning, so that we posted, I think what were pretty, some pretty great shows while we were gone.
We posted Colleen Noir, we posted Katherine Birbal-Singh, we posted Jeffrey Tucker, and we posted...
Who was the other person?
Oh, and Dr. Deborah Soh, a pretty interesting diverse group of people.
The Deborah Soh full episode, now she's a sex researcher and we had a long-ranging conversation on gender and equality and a series of things, that got demonetized.
I think it has a couple hundred thousand views.
That got demonetized.
So that's the type of thing.
That's exactly why we're on Patreon.
If we were relying on the YouTube money, even when it suddenly gets better and they monetize things for us, you just don't know what the hell is gonna happen here.
So Patreon is our way of sort of safely funding these things, so that I'm reliant on you guys, which I guess ultimately, that's not reliant either.
Anyone can come and go as they please, that's fine, but at least we're not only reliant on that.
So yeah, still giving verbal shout-outs.
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Thank you very much.
Let's see, can the importance of protecting the values of Western civilization be overstated?
No, I don't think they can.
I think we don't talk about them enough and we don't explain why the values of Western civilization of free speech and open inquiry and And education, secular education, and not giving too much power to any one person or government.
These things have all been huge parts of Western civilization.
These are the cornerstones of what I think will Give the opportunity for the most people to be free this freaking fly.
I need those chopsticks guys.
So I think we need to do a better sell job.
For some reason the West almost seems to be suffering from its own success where it's like something becomes so successful That then it breeds sort of a next generation of people who hate it because they don't know what real suffering is.
So when you hear all of these young people at colleges now, who are, you know, they're literally at colleges, you know, wearing designer stuff, all walking around with iPhones and Nikes and all of this stuff, telling you how oppressed they are, they have no freaking idea what oppression is.
You know what I mean?
You're not oppressed for being gay in this country.
You're not oppressed for being black in this country.
You're not oppressed for being any minority.
We have welcomed more of all of these people to this place to make a better life for themselves, and in almost every case it's worked.
And if you don't believe me, think about your grandparents right now.
You, person watching this.
Okay?
Pause for a moment.
Think about your grandparents.
Here, I'll think about mine.
Okay?
Do you have it better or worse than them?
And in almost every single case, you're going to have it better.
And that is pretty freaking great.
And on top of all of the studies, by a book that I have right over here that Steven Pinker has written about, it's called Enlightenment Now, talking about all of the trends that are positive in the world, where there's less mass violence and genocide and there's more trees being planted and all sorts of other things.
But it's very easy, if you always go to the fear center of the brain, you can get people believing all sorts of horrible things, and that the wheels are coming off all the time, and that Western civilization is evil.
It doesn't mean it's perfect, but nothing's perfect.
And the people who think they can engineer perfection almost always are the people who engineer some horrible, horrible thing.
Okay, let's go.
How much money do you lose when a video is demonetized?
It's almost impossible to say, because A, it depends obviously on the video views.
What I can tell you is this, and this is rough, and if one of my guys wanna correct me, but YouTube basically pays out a $2 CPM.
So that's basically, we get $2 per 1,000 views.
I can't remember off the top of my head if that's before their 55% cut or after, but I think it's about $2 per 1,000 views.
So that's pretty much it.
So then you can extrapolate numbers after that point.
So it really depends, but it also now I think has to do with watch time and a series of other factors.
So in a case like the Deborah Soh one, where I know, last I saw it definitely had at least 120,000 views or something like that, and it probably has more now, and it probably had a great watch time, right?
Because I think we did about an hour or so, and it was a really engaging conversation, and the watch times on this channel are extremely good.
Our watch times last month, last I saw, was something around 20 minutes of video.
That's almost unheard of on YouTube, right?
People watch things for two seconds and click away.
So you do get some benefits related to things like that, for putting up quality content that people are actually watching and engaging with.
So a video like that, I'm not gonna do all the math in my head, but we definitely lost a couple hundred bucks, maybe a thousand bucks on something like that.
And again, YouTube can do whatever it wants, and it's on us, as I discussed with Ben earlier,
to figure out if there's some alternatives.
I know there's a lot of discussions being had about that stuff.
But as we figure all that out, another way, if you care about this stuff,
join us on Rubin Select, and there's a bunch of different tiers,
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By the way, you can get, so this is the old Rubin Report.
There's a new Rubin Report shirt.
We got Rubin Report mugs.
I autographed some stuff.
We got the one-on-one hangouts.
Well, no, we don't have the one-on-one hangouts anymore.
Man!
We got the group hangouts, which we've expanded to now 100 slots.
We've got some behind-the-scenes stuff.
We're going to do some more live AMAs, a whole bunch of other stuff like that.
All right, let me do a little radio reset for you guys right here.
So I'm doing a little AMA back on the grid.
It's good to be back and nice to talk to you guys again.
I so far have stayed away from all the whatever hate may be coming my way I'm not really paying attention to.
I'm just having a good day here with my team and doing the live stream with Ben and with you guys.
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All right, let's see.
This is a good one on Super Chat.
Imagine Trump didn't happen.
What are your criteria for electing the next president in 2024?
Are you leaning more liberal, conservative, or hopeful that libertarians will pose
a serious threat to the establishment?
Here's what I would love to see.
Trump doesn't even have to be part of this discussion for a second.
What I would love to see and what I think will happen post-Trump, whether it's post-Trump in two years or if he gets a second term, is I think that the bulk of people who are still quiet now because they're sort of afraid of being yelled at and they're afraid of the mob and they're afraid of being attacked and all of those things, I think most of these people are waking up.
And most of us are these people.
We're good, decent people.
We disagree on some stuff.
We feel, you know, everyone feels like everything is the worst.
It's the worst it's ever been.
And the political tenor is the worst it's ever been.
And it can't get worse.
We're not killing each other over politics yet.
It can get a lot worse.
Let's stop it from getting there.
But what I think will happen is the outrage machine on both sides Will eventually start crushing itself, and I think we're seeing that on the left at the moment.
It'll start crushing itself, and there will be an avenue for some decency.
So what I would love to see, this is the best situation, then I'll tell you what I think I would go for.
The best situation, I think, would be for a truly principled conservative to run against a truly principled liberal.
What you would have by that is you could have a real limited government conservative, who may be conservative on things like abortion and would be for death penalty and a bunch of other things, versus a liberal, I mean an old school liberal, so I would say someone more from the classical liberal family, who believes in there's some sense of limited government, but that the government, when done right, can do good things.
Again, this is where I talk about why I still consider myself a liberal instead of a libertarian.
But I'm always happy to have that conversation.
And I get it.
I'm very intrigued.
I love talking to libertarians and the ANCAPs about how to disassemble the whole freaking thing.
I think that's a really fun intellectual exercise.
Where do you draw that line?
Where is it a point where you absolutely need the government?
That's an interesting intellectual exercise.
I think there is a chance that we will have lanes for some decent people to come out of what feels like a real sort of crazy mess right now.
I would love to have that debate and I think we will get there.
I actually do.
If we don't just tear ourselves apart.
Which I don't think we're going to do.
I know that's counter to what almost everyone is saying.
But I really think we can get to a place where we're having a real fight over these ideas, a real fight over policy.
Why is the death penalty right or wrong?
Why is abortion right or wrong?
Or why is it in the federal government's interest to even make it an issue?
Roe v. Wade as a federal issue versus state issue.
All of these things, whatever side you're on, we should be allowed to talk about these things.
And that's why it's very cool, I think, when we look at the amount of people
that are watching this show, watching Shapiro, listening to Sam, watching or listening to Rogan,
it's like there is a massive group of people growing and growing and growing that are okay
hearing different ideas, that are okay watching people debate ideas and argue over things and not hate each other.
And I think as these people, and they're mostly young right now,
as they gain more power.
and they gain more influence, and they have more of the influential jobs maybe in mainstream,
I think some good things are going to happen.
So I'm very hopeful for that.
Do I think ultimately a libertarian could pose a threat to the establishment?
I think of course, well of course the answer is yes, right?
Like if you gave me the greatest, most charismatic, really principled, well thought out libertarian,
I think those ideas really could win out the day in many, many cases, especially now where there's such tumult politically.
Gary Johnson obviously was not that guy, and I hate throwing the guy under the bus because I think he's a decent human being, so I'm not throwing him under the bus.
I'm just saying I don't think he was that guy.
But if there was a really, really clever, smart, energetic, photogenic libertarian, no, I'm not going to do it, by the way, people.
Uh, out there.
I think that that would pose a real threat.
And again, it's like, you know, it's always, people always say, well, do you, we want to, we want a revolution.
Bernie, I want a political revolution.
And it's like, you know, a revolution, you can say political revolution because it sounds nicer, but the more these people talk about revolutions, think about it.
If you live in America right now, do you want a revolution?
Is it that bad that you want a revolution?
Probably not.
It doesn't mean we can't make it better.
But the way we talk about these things is very dangerous.
This is still a freaking good place and I'm going to keep fighting to make it better.
All right, let's jump back to, or give a couple shout-outs here.
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Make me your best offer.
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I doubt we're gonna part with the red chair, because I think we're keeping that for when I do bigger panels.
But we've got the two guest chairs, we've got the table, we've got some artwork and a bunch of other stuff.
I don't know, make an offer.
Make me an offer, I can't refuse, you know what I'm saying?
Okay, here we go.
Do you think all leftist agenda, and I mean Black Lives Matter or Me Too or Europe immigration, is controlled centrally?
It can be something more than stupid people talking about equality.
I think you mean can't.
I don't know.
I got into this a little bit with Ben.
Like all of these things these days, it's like, you know, these Twitter campaigns to attack people and all these anonymous accounts that kind of look the same and use the same language.
And it's like, Is there some central controlling of this?
And it's, look, I'll go down a conspiracy theory.
I'm happy to do that.
But as Carl Sagan said, and as I quote often, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
So I would need some actual evidence to see that there are really coordinated, centralized campaigns on all of these things.
I think there are some high-level talks about all of this.
There's no doubt that the BLM people are talking to the Me Too people and are talking to these
people and that people, and that there's a coordination of all of this stuff at some
level.
But I don't know that it all trickles down.
It's hard to really understand.
I guess that's a little bit part of the problem, but it's also weird how it seems to be happening
in all these countries all at the same time.
You know, fortunately, I think, you know, America has one great leg up on the rest of the world, which is our First Amendment, our right to free speech.
And not to say other countries don't have free speech, but it is so enshrined as the First Amendment.
Most important thing you can have is our ability to express ourselves.
And as long as we have that, and the government doesn't take that away, we can fight these bad forces.
It's what I'm doing every day, and I suspect many of you are doing in your life.
Shout out to James and shout out to Luke.
Welcome aboard.
All right, let's see.
Dave, how's your gaming hobby with Colin going?
What are you enjoying?
Will you be streaming on Twitch with friends?
So we've thought about maybe doing a Twitch thing, or a little more with video games in general.
I think maybe I would do something like that, just purely, purely for fun.
As I've been traveling, I haven't had as much time to be jumping in.
I do have a Nintendo Switch, because one of you guys sent me one, and I've taken that on the road a little bit, but I'm also trying to write, I'm trying to read, I'm also occasionally trying to catch up on some sleep.
So like I'm a little bit like sort of between things.
My brother visited for a week and we played a ton of NBA Live.
We were playing.
I was the 91 Trailblazers.
He was usually the 86 Celtics.
We split a couple games, played some Mario Kart with my nephew.
We played What's that game that everybody was telling me to get?
Not Smash Brothers.
The game, it's sort of like Contra on PS4.
You blow up a whole bunch of shit with 80s video game char... 80s movies characters.
Bust... Bang Bust!
Bust... Bust... Not Bang Bust.
That's something else.
Um... Bong... Uh... Somebody help me with this.
Someone will throw it in the comment section.
You're a bunch... You can be like Arnold Schwarzenegger and then Sylvester Stallone and all these guys and Chuck Norris and you're blowing stuff up and, uh...
Boom, bust, bust, bang, boom, something or something?
Let's see.
Alright, I'll move on, but somebody get me that, would ya?
Let's see, have any of the commenters you've hosted informed or deeply impacted your beliefs?
Well look, I've certainly been influenced by people and I try to keep an open mind and really hear people, I really do.
I think most of you guys know that that first time I had Larry Elder on when we were discussing systemic racism and he just beat me into a pulp.
I think you know that that was one of my wake-up moments, so obviously Larry has really affected me.
I would say this.
I would say that being on tour with Jordan, it's been a privilege and it's been a life-changing thing.
I mean, look, this guy is probably the top public intellectual we have in the world right now.
I don't think I'm exaggerating when I say that.
The most influential, at least.
And as we go from sold-out city to sold-out city, and I watch him, as I said before, explore his own intellect, challenge his own beliefs, you know, go away for a week so he could do these couple events with Sam Harris where they went at it intellectually, and then see how that changes the way Jordan talks about this or that, and does it all respectfully, and how also he survived the hate machine, and the awful articles, and all of that, if anything, they've all made him stronger.
I would say he's moved me a little bit on, you know, I think I've always understood the archetypal stuff and the need for stories and things like that.
He does bring it back to why he thinks the West basically needs those stories through a religious prism to survive what's going on right now.
I think that's a really interesting point that I've been thinking a lot about.
I thought about it a lot actually when I was away.
So these guys have all influenced me in different ways.
You know, Eric Weinstein, not only brilliant mind on economics and math and all that, but there's such an empathy there as a human that I think I've taken some of that in.
Look, I get to sit with great, incredible people that not only do I get to interview, but many of whom have now become my friend.
It's awesome.
It's great.
And if you weren't affected by these people... I said this at the end of the last show with Jordan before we took the break.
I was like, you guys get to come here and be with him for two hours and experience this and I know how important it is for you guys.
Well, I've been on tour with the guy for months and we have private time in the green room before.
Talk about some of the things that we're struggling with or thinking about or whatever it is and it's like, man, if you don't change after you do something like that, I don't know what would change you.
So the best I think I can do is keep exploring my own thoughts, keep seeing where the truth takes me.
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Okay, oh!
The video game people!
Broforce.
I don't know what the hell I said.
Bangbus?
I knew it was something like that.
It's Broforce, not Bangbus.
Okay, very good.
Thoughts on a Rubin Report movie night or Rubin Report book club?
We're thinking about both of them, and we almost included both to different degrees in this new Rubin Select tier thing that we're breaking down.
But we bit off a tremendous amount this summer, as I said.
We expanded the team with new hires, we built out the new set,
the new website, DaveRubin.com, just the new graphics, new music,
it was like a whole slew of stuff.
So we didn't feel we could lay that out and have it done properly immediately.
But especially, especially I love the movie night one.
The book one's great.
The movie night I just think maybe would be a little more fun and is less of a lift for people.
So just a little patience on that.
I think you guys know we've been pretty positive.
We've been pretty good, I should say, about following through with the things that I talk about here.
So let's see.
Keep believing in us and we'll keep going.
Patron, how do you discuss ideas without hatefulness turning the topic negative?
Because I'm losing people I considered friends over a rational question.
Okay, I'm really glad you asked this.
I get asked this all the time.
And I want to tell you a little insight or something that happened to me during the break.
So I mentioned to you guys that I had a a very good friend, lifelong friend, that about a year ago
we met at a bar and he just went on a relentless assault about politics.
He's massively anti-Trump.
He's a progressive lefty.
Okay, fine.
That's no problem.
I was that and I have many friends that are still lefties and all that.
But he went on this, what became a very personal attack to me, at one point I paused him and I said, do you think it's possible that I believe what I believe as much as you believe what you believe?
And he looked me straight in the eye and said, no.
And I thought, this is crazy.
This is someone I know my entire life.
You're attacking my very integrity.
Now, after that, we didn't talk for about eight months or so.
He sort of called me and left sort of a half apology.
I actually paid the bill for both of us, and I just walked out of the bar.
I've never done anything like that, and I think you guys know this is not how I conduct conversations, right?
So, I wasn't happy with it, but we basically lost contact for about eight months.
Over these last couple weeks, I had this little break here.
He and his wife came over for dinner.
And in my mind, I was thinking, look, if he wants to go down that route again, then even me, even someone who is willing to engage in all these ideas, willing to talk to people I disagree with, but I won't be personally insulted or personally attacked.
And I made it clear that I was off the grid anyway, so we weren't gonna talk about current events.
So we didn't talk about current events.
We didn't get into any of that stuff.
We just talked about kids and basketball and video games and whatever else there is, and movies and whatever.
And, but my feeling was, if it goes down that route, well then I gotta end this.
Like, I don't need a friend, in this case, who is just gonna personally attack me.
Like, I'm a decent human, but I'm not a punching bag.
And I think that's how a lot of you guys feel, too.
It's like, you can keep making overtures to try to explain yourself.
You can keep saying, well, I believe this and this and this, and that's different than you.
And when the person goes, well, you're racist, and you go, well, I haven't said anything racist.
You can only do that so many times when you have to have some self-respect.
So I think this is a little bit different for everybody, but it's a really tough one, right?
It's a really, really tough one.
Where do you say, well, I cannot do this anymore, or I need a break from this, whether it's a friend or a family member or something else.
I think the best thing that you can do is try consistently to be as human as you can with them.
It sort of sounds cliche, like, what does that really mean?
But it's like, try Always.
To really, like, look at them.
Get close.
Get close in there.
Look at them.
And you gotta tell me I'm a racist to my face because I believe in states' rights or whatever the hell it is.
And it's like, their arguments have become really, really thin.
And that's why they're so angry all the time.
One other quick thing.
We had another couple over here.
And the boyfriend, who I'm less friendly with, who's again a big lefty but I'm happy to do our thing, we got into it over politics and he was really, you know, he was coming at me with a lot of the just general talking points of the left, systemic racism, all of these things, and the Republicans are so mean, and I kept coming back with good arguments, good arguments, good arguments, and it kept escalating, kept escalating, and there was a moment Where I knew I could go in for the kill.
And if I went in for the kill, either he was going to wake up enough, let's say, or he was going to go crazy.
The night would have been a blowout.
And because I was on this break and off the grid and everything else, I just wasn't up for it.
So right when I had him there, I let it go.
And we'll continue that conversation.
So you've got to figure out what works for you, but I know it's not easy and it doesn't feel good to turn the other cheek all the time.
And at some point when you're getting abused long enough, you've got to speak up for yourself.
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There is no utopia, so in systems designed for societies we must always grade on the curve.
The United States is clearly on the top of that curve for benefits to mankind by a large margin.
Is there any country that comes close?
So I basically agree with you here.
This is the line about all these people that want utopia end up bringing us to dystopia.
Because they think if they can just manage everything with central planning and big government that good people and good things will happen.
Well, it rarely does when you keep giving power to some centralized thing that's above you, okay?
So, in terms of benefits to mankind by a large margin, yeah, the United States has done more good.
Yes, I know people love to talk about this or that and have we made mistakes and gone to wrong wars and all these.
All countries have done terrible things and if you want to be part of the international Community, you're gonna make mistakes.
And we're gonna have presidents that aren't gonna be perfect and who are gonna do things that one half of the people don't like and that the other half of the people don't like and all of these things.
But I just fundamentally believe that the freedoms that we have in the United States are freedoms that if they were everywhere, and I'm not saying we should nation-state and force these freedoms on everyone, but imagine if every country in the world, if all people on this earth, If you're watching this in the United States, imagine if people everywhere had the exact freedoms that you have.
Why is it that when we've done gigs in London or in Canada or in some other places, people are starting to become more and more concerned about free speech because they don't have the protections that we have?
So we've got great things here, and we shouldn't forget them.
And it doesn't mean you have to bow to the United States all the time.
It doesn't mean you have to say we're flawless and all that.
But it means that you have to respect what our Our Founding Fathers built, because they built something pretty great that gives more power to you than the people above you.
And don't just give that up because it sounds good or it's easy.
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Let's see.
dave rubin
What's the rational counter to the intellectually dishonest word police that aggressively ignores
For example, the monkey it up story or Connor Daly's father comments from the 1980s.
So I don't know the second one.
As for the monkey it up story, so I just heard about this with Ben an hour ago, obviously I didn't know the news until that.
And you should watch the video where I give a good explanation on this, but look, Howard Cosell, as I mentioned, was fired from, I think it was CBS, after being basically the biggest sports broadcaster in the nation because he said something about a black football player monkeying around or something.
And it turned out, because the guy had jumped over somebody else while playing football, and it turned out that that's what he used to say about his grandkids as they were like wrestling with each other.
He used to call them monkeys.
Was he racist?
Is there a sensitivity there?
Perhaps.
But yes, this intellectual dishonesty where we're gerrymandering the truth, actually, that's I guess what we're doing, is terrible.
And someone should not be fired for a verbal gaffe.
You know, look, it's up to a private company to do whatever they want to do.
Okay, that's one thing.
But unless you have a history of racism, or do something that is truly, truly racist, not just use a word in a way that someone else doesn't like it, we're going to get to a place where everyone will be afraid to speak.
Actually, that is one of the things that came up.
When I would see people At the hardware store, at Starbucks or whatever for the past month and people would come up to me and ask, how's it off the grid?
Many people would tell me something like, oh, I wish I could, you know, just get off the grid.
I can't do it.
Whatever my job, I can't do it.
unidentified
I don't know.
dave rubin
I mean, everyone I think can do it for at least for a little time, maybe not for a month.
But a lot of people were saying how they've really self-selected out, that they're getting on Facebook much less, they're tweeting much less, they're checking news feeds less.
Look, that's good in a short term at some level, because if you're distracted by that, or it's making you frustrated, or giving you a headache, or giving you short-term memory loss, or all sorts of things, okay, all good to control that.
That's fine.
Where it becomes bad is when, if all the good people start self-selecting out, then we got all the bad people and the haters and the angry people that are running the whole conversation.
Now we got a problem there.
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So if Trump can avoid any major scandal and keeps us out of war, what chance do you think He has of being re-elected in 2020.
So I'm just catching up on some of the stuff that Ben enlightened me on that's happened with Trump over the last little while with this Michael Cohen stuff and the rest of it.
I would say short of being impeached, if the Democrats win the House by a landslide and then just impeach the guy, short of that, if the Democrat path is to keep going down with the Democratic Socialists, Then I suspect Trump will be re-elected.
I think that that fringe thing, which seems like it's mainstream because the mainstream loves it, but it's a fringe set of lefty ideas.
Progressivism is not mainstream.
Most people do not buy into this.
Most people do not buy into identity politics.
Most people do not buy into big government.
Most people don't.
They want to live and let live and that's it.
And I think the Republicans are better suited to carry that mantle.
They fail at it often and they fight, you know, they'll tell you about low taxes and low spending and then they never freaking do it.
But they've got a little bit of a better insider track on that than the Democrats.
If the Democrats decide to become a little more moderate, find some old decent liberals, find their JFK, find their Daniel Patrick Moynihan, etc, then I think there's a chance.
But I don't think anyone, well let's look at it this way, I don't think anyone that voted for Trump in 2016, if the Democrats keep going down that road, is gonna be like, oh, the Democrats are the better option than this, right?
If the economy's okay and we're not in an extra war and there's been no major terror attack or something that's really a game changer that we can't I can't figure out right this moment.
I don't think anyone that voted for Trump is going to go, oh that, that's much better, I was wrong last time, that's much better.
Now the issue will be is if the Trump people or the Republicans or Conservatives, if their voters just don't come out because they're just depressed, they're like, we don't like Trump anymore, we don't like this thing, but we're just not going to vote, and then the Democrats are really enthused, well then that will happen.
There's really no way to fully predict any of this.
As I said to Ben, these off-year elections, the 2018 thing, conventional wisdom is that there's going to be a massive blue wave.
Again, I don't think that people who are generally conservative or old-school liberal or libertarian are going to look at the Democratic alternative, which used to be a little more moderate but now has gone really left, and go, that's better than this.
Even if this thing is extremely imperfect and surrounded in mystery and all sorts of weird things, but if the people that like that don't vote, well then you just don't know.
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What about NASCAR driver Connor Daly?
Lost his sponsor because of something his dad said before he was born.
I haven't heard about this yet.
That sounds completely bananas, but very much sort of where we're at in 2018, but that sounds completely insane.
Can you please have guests on about Comic Gate and Star Wars?
What are your thoughts on how these things are filled with identity politics?
People have asked me this a little bit before.
Look, Last Jedi just sucked.
I didn't want it to suck, but there were so many sucky things in there that I can't even begin to just real quick in terms of suckiness.
Who the hell's Snoke?
You're not going to tell us, really?
How is he not Darth Plagueis?
Just boring and lazy.
The way they kick the can down with Rey's parents, ridiculous.
The purple-haired Laura Dern shouldn't have been in the movie.
That should have been Admiral Ackbar as an aging, old admiral who doesn't have any ideas
left.
That's what you're thinking the whole time.
And then at the last moment, he does this amazing maneuver and blows up one of the Star
Destroyers.
But instead, you have this character that you just met that you don't care about, who's
a big celebrity, and it's like Ackbar gets killed off camera.
Leia, there's no force in space, stupid.
Why did Luke project himself there force if he was going to die anyway?
Why not have the fight?
Have the freaking fight and die.
Pull an Obi-Wan.
Let yourself die at the last moment.
So many stupid things.
The freaking gambling planet, which was utterly pointless.
All that aside, the identity politics part of it actually is quite annoying as well.
It seems as if the way they framed it is these are all white, generally older, but white men Right?
That's what the First Order is.
White men.
And they're fighting this diverse group of young people who just want freedom.
And it's like, we get it.
We get what you're doing here.
You know what though?
I love Force Awakens and I think JJ can clean this thing up.
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What's your opinion on Peterson's solution for incels, specifically regarding forced
So I think it's actually enforced monogamy, not forced monogamy, which is different.
Forced monogamy would mean actually forcing people to be monogamous.
Enforced monogamy is basically strengthening the ideas of marriage, is basically what it means.
I know that's hard for a lot of New York Times writers to grasp.
Um...
So I would want to hear him fully extrapolated.
I've heard him talk about it a little bit.
He's talked about it on the tour a little bit.
Basically, I think when people talk about incels, I want to get this totally right, they're talking about sort of this group, what they feel are young males who often are into sort of video games, who have just removed themselves from the equation.
They are getting their sexual needs met with porn.
They're not interacting with the opposite sex.
I wonder, I guess actually you could probably be a gay incel.
Is that a thing, a gay cell?
That must be a thing too, right?
But in effect, you're just sort of cutting yourself off from these personal relationships and just sort of living online.
Something to that effect.
You know, I think that Jordan's book, I think 12 Rules for Life, is a pretty good antidote to that.
The book is called, you know, the subtitle is An Antidote to Chaos, and really what he's talking about there is get your life under control.
Want to fix the world, but guess what?
You can't do it if your room's not clean, and that's just sort of a metaphor for some bigger things.
Go be the top lobster.
All of those little funny catchphrases the guy's using actually have a much bigger meaning.
So I'd want to hear him talk about it specifically a little bit more before I comment on his feelings about it.
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Um...
unidentified
Man, there's a lot of stuff here.
It's hard picking things.
dave rubin
Okay.
Rucca and Malice stated they are both interested in a debate.
Would you host it?
Objectivism vs. Anarchism.
So you're talking about Rucca Ali, former guest of the Rubin Report, and I assume you're talking about Michael Malice, also former guest of the Rubin Report.
They want to have a debate on Objectivism vs. Anarchism.
That's kind of interesting because obviously objectivism sort of is almost like a you could say a strain of libertarianism with sort of more of a More of an ethos around morality versus anarchism, where malice is an anarchist.
Let me talk to the guys privately before I make any promises here.
Let me just see what's going on.
For all I know, I'm walking into something they've been at each other's throats, and I'm gonna commit to it, and then God only knows what's gonna happen, so we'll see.
Oh, I guess they agreed to have it online?
All right, let me see about it.
We're kind of booked at least through October right now, but let me see about it.
Okay, let's see.
Um...
unidentified
(inhales)
dave rubin
Oh, this is interesting.
Are property-based ideals, libertarianism, laissez-faire, et cetera, in need of an update because of the advent of products which don't fall under laws of production, software, automated services, et cetera?
That's interesting because now we've got sort of these decentralized things and these things that don't need constant more and more and more production and we're in, you know, look, this is a little bit, this is sort of ancillarily related to when people are yelling about $15 minimum wage, What I always bring this back to, and I've heard many economists talk about this, is that we're going into a more automated economy.
So the more you say that the jobs that are the most disposable, which are the jobs that generally have minimum wage, the more you say we're gonna have to inflate those wages, the more the companies, and this is what any company would do, this is what you would do if you owned a company, you would look to cut costs.
And especially if you now have this wage thing that's artificially, not by what you can pay, But the government's coming in and saying, you're going to have to pay more.
Now you're seeing your profits go down.
You're going to try to figure out how do you get that to go this way again?
Well, how are you going to do it?
You're going to fire all your employees at McDonald's in order with iPads.
We see this happening with fast food joints already.
I've seen this happening at a whole bunch of, you know, I've been traveling all over the country.
I see this happening at all sorts of places now where you don't talk to people.
You just press in buttons and then one guy at the end hands you something, but that guy can be replaced too.
And then there's one guy that probably fixes all the machines.
I do think we have to rethink almost everything.
We're at an interesting precipice in human society right now, and we have to rethink how we're interacting with each other.
Is there goodness left in these crumbling institutions in a time now where People don't trust mainstream media.
It's now on you to figure out who to trust, right?
I assume some of you, you watch this, you like what I'm talking about, you like the conversations I'm having, but I certainly shouldn't be the only person that you trust and you shouldn't be getting your only information from me.
I certainly hope that you don't.
So we have to explore all sorts of new things, but that's why I'm so hopeful for everything right now.
There's such hope, there's such energy.
I read all these articles and it's like, comedy is dead, and television is dead, and there's nothing new or original.
It's like, man, with such chaos right now, or perceived chaos, you can be creative.
Come to one of my stand-up shows, see what's going on.
I'm barely doing a set.
I go up there with maybe five jokes, and I'm fiddling with the crowd for an hour and a half, and people have a freaking ball, and I have fun, and it's live, and it's interactive, and people are heckling me, and I'm heckling back, and it's all good-natured and fun.
And at the same time, people are writing, oh, stand-up comedy's dead, and it's not stand-up comedy's dead, it's that the ideas of leftism are dying in real time.
And because so many comics come from that line of thinking, now they've moved over to whining about it, because that's also part and parcel of the whole thing.
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Would you ever consider hosting a mock debate between two ideologically opposed guests who have to argue for the other side?
That would be interesting.
So this would be along the lines of...
Something that a bunch of us have talked about, but Eric Weinstein was really big on.
The idea of really strawmanning your opponent.
That really, if you wanna have a true, serious argument, that you'd wanna steelman your opponent's views.
Not mock your opponent's views, not personally attack your opponent.
We see plenty of this out there, and just doing anything for clicks or anything.
You'd really want to steelman those views.
Go, this set of ideas, this bulleted list of ideas, this, right here, in this box, is exactly what this person is saying.
I disagree with all of these things, but this is what this person is saying.
Now, you can't attack their motives or any of that.
You say, this is what they're saying, and then you say, here's how I disagree with it.
That would be pretty cool to actually have two people that disagree with things, steel man each other's views,
and then argue against themselves.
That would be actually pretty cool.
Let me think it through.
I've obviously got a couple people in the chamber that I think maybe could do it.
So that would be pretty great.
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I'm truly feeling more energized than ever.
It was great to be off the grid.
Today it was like, when I woke up this morning, I was not nervous, but I was a little like, ah, here we go again.
Even though I love what I do.
I don't know that there's anyone that loves what they do more than I do.
But I was like, whoa, here we go, the monster is back.
Let's do it.
I'm gonna figure out personally how to manage that a little bit more.
I told Shapiro today, he does a regular Shabbat where he's off the grid from Friday night usually to Saturday night.
Sometimes he said he extends that over the weekend.
I've been trying to do the weekend thing, I'm gonna try to do that a little bit more.
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