Aug. 4, 2017 - Rubin Report - Dave Rubin
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| Thanks for watching. | ||
| Before I do that, I quickly want to address my conversation with Patreon CEO Jack Conte from earlier this week. | ||
| I think that this chat, as much as anything we've done here, gets to the heart of what I've tried to do with the Rubin Report for the past two years. | ||
| Jack and I had an honest conversation about new media and personal liberty couched around the issue that I care most about, free speech. | ||
| I hope that whether you came away from the interview agreeing with Jack or not, that you got a better understanding of the complexities and contradictions that we all face whether you're a creator, a CEO, or a supporter of online content. | ||
| As I've mentioned time and time again, I believe it's vital to occasionally put down your phone, disconnect from the grid, and reconnect with the real world. | ||
| This is something I've tried to incorporate into my life as much as possible, but usually it's much harder than it should be. | ||
| The constant need to be online and in the discussion, whatever that discussion is, can be incredibly inspiring and valuable, but it can also be incredibly draining and time sucking. | ||
| Beyond just doing the Rubin Report, I've been trying to work on a book for the past year, as well as catch up on some side projects, while also setting a little time for some mental clarity. | ||
| With this in mind, I want to lay out the rest of my summer for you. | ||
| This week on the show we have British columnist and commentator Katie Hopkins, who's sure to trigger many of those who are triggerable, and then I head to New York City to do the Greg Gutfeld Show on Saturday. | ||
| After that, I'll be truly experiencing one of the highlights of my professional career as I interview Richard Dawkins at the 92nd Street Y in New York City. | ||
| The event sold out almost immediately before I even had a chance to mention it to you guys, but the fine folks at the Y are giving us the video of the whole two hour interview, which will be shot in front of about 2,000 people, and we'll be posting it right here on our channel next week. | ||
| After this interview with Dawkins, I'll be going off the grid completely for the rest of the summer until September 5th, the day after Labor Day. | ||
| Fear not, though, you will be getting new Rubin Report episodes every week. | ||
| We've already taped interviews with Professor Gad Saad, columnist Guy Benson, economist Pia Malani, and chairman of the Ayn Rand Institute, Yaron Brook. | ||
| Since we've taped these interviews already, I can promise you that you're going to dig all of them, and each episode is truly different from one another. | ||
| What we may lose in filming and releasing in the same week, I promise you that you'll get back with a continued focus on ideas rather than news cycles. | ||
| While we will post all these videos as scheduled, I will not be on social media of any kind until September 5th. | ||
| That's right, I am not going to tweet, I am not going to post on Facebook, share anything on Instagram, or anywhere else. | ||
| We're going to automate a couple posts in advance so that we can promote our weekly episodes, but I won't be sharing anything else, checking mentions, or even reading the news. | ||
| I look forward to having some relaxation time on the beach, but for the most part I'll be spending most of my time during this break catching up on reading, exercising, and most importantly focusing on this book which is long overdue. | ||
| Basically I'm not going to look at screens of any kind except for when I'm writing this book. | ||
| I'm sure people will try to talk to me about the news, but I'm going to do everything in my power to truly shut down and really escape from the day to day play by play madness. | ||
| Yes, I will miss some Trump tweets, I'll miss some faux outrages, and I'll miss whatever else happens in the world, but I do have a suspicion that the world will keep spinning without me. | ||
| And at the same time, I also have a suspicion that I'll be better off for this break afterwards. | ||
| It seems kind of crazy to take a vacation and truly escape the web these days, but that was pretty much the norm only a decade ago. | ||
| If the world does end while I'm gone, I suppose it'll have to end without me live tweeting it. | ||
| More importantly than anything else though, I just want to thank all of you who not only watch this show, but share it with friends and family and who are having these conversations in your own lives. | ||
| There is absolutely no doubt that the issues that we're talking about here are taking root in the real world and that real change is on the horizon. | ||
| If I didn't think that we could change the world by having these honest conversations on the importance of free speech and individual liberty, I assure you that I would do something else. | ||
| After all, it's never too late for me to pick up my MBA dreams. | ||
| Before I sign off though, I want to give a special shout out to all of you who have supported us on Patreon and PayPal since we went independent about 14 months ago. | ||
| You guys have truly, truly helped me make my dreams come true, and now you're giving me and my crew a little breathing room, allowing me to work on this book and helping us all take it to the next level. | ||
| I already have a packed schedule of speaking gigs and college events coming up this fall, and I look forward to coming back more focused and invigorated than ever before. | ||
| Without your support, not only couldn't we do this show at the professional level with which we do it, but there's certainly no way I could take a few weeks to clear the mind and plot the future. | ||
| Maybe some of you will join me on this technology-free couple weeks, but for those of you who don't, I know you'll enjoy everything we've cooked up for you while we're gone. | ||
| Again, thank you all for your support and generosity. | ||
| And as we enter season three of the Rubin Report in September, | ||
| I promise you this is just the beginning. | ||
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| Joining me today is a British media personality, a columnist, an author, and a businesswoman | ||
| who apparently triggers everyone, Katie Hopkins, finally. | ||
| Welcome to the Review Report. | ||
| Finally, I'm here. | ||
| Thank you very much for having me. | ||
| Yeah, it's my pleasure. | ||
| We were gonna do this about a year ago, and then something happened, travels, life. | ||
| Something, I know, I got sent somewhere to cover something else, or God knows what happened, but I was supposed to be here. | ||
| But finally, I'm sitting in your studio, and I'm thrilled to be here, and I love your studio. | ||
| It's very posh. | ||
| Thanks, oh, posh. | ||
| It's posh. | ||
| That's, you are British. | ||
| I am, I'm as British as they come. | ||
| Yes, all right, we have a lot to talk about. | ||
| You're here, I assume, mostly to do the Rubin Report, that's why you're in L.A., but also you did- It's all I live for. | ||
| You did- It's all I've lived for, for like a month and a half, literally. | ||
| I wake up, we go, oh, Rubin! | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| You did Politicon, you've been around all of these political pundits and the screaming people and the partisan nutbags and all of that stuff. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I can tell, just in the little brief moments that we've spent together, you love this stuff. | ||
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I love it. | |
| You truly love it. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| And the thing I love most, I was speaking to the organiser last night for Politicon, who's a regular guy, actually a Brit as well as it turns out. | ||
| The thing I love best about Politicon is not even the people on the stage or the panellists or the people that might think they're important. | ||
| The people that made Politicon for me were the people queuing, this enormous line of people just queuing round and round and round to queue up for whatever it was they were passionate about. | ||
| Over the road, behind the fencing, there was a little group of people who were Trump. | ||
| I think that's what Trump has also blessed America with, is reinvigorating this enthusiasm for getting involved. | ||
| "We're here, we're even opposite the road to scare you." | ||
| And I love that. | ||
| I love that people, particularly Americans, are super engaged with politics at the moment. | ||
| They're super engaged with the process. | ||
| They're willing to commit funds to it. | ||
| And I think that's what Trump has also blessed America with, is reinvigorating this enthusiasm for getting involved. | ||
| I think that's a great thing. | ||
| Yeah, so one of the things that I've been saying about Trump, | ||
| and I did not vote for Trump, I didn't support Trump, but I had Trump, we can talk all the-- | ||
| I can go off you, you know. | ||
| We can talk all about it, I'm fine. | ||
| I came here with goodwill for you. | ||
| Listen, that's why we're here. | ||
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Down the door. | |
| It's gone already? | ||
| Yeah, you didn't even vote for Trump. | ||
| Oh man, I was gonna tell you halfway through. | ||
| But all right. | ||
| But what I think that is better than anything else is that Trump has, as some of my guests have said, he's drove a truck through the store. | ||
| And my metaphor is that he's taken the chessboard and thrown it up. | ||
| But everything is such a mess right now that there is a new enthusiasm. | ||
| There is fertile ground and all of that. | ||
| And I think that's far more valuable in many ways than this policy or that policy or anything else. | ||
| Yes, so true. | ||
| And in a way, your version of a mess might be that somebody just got fired after only 11 days in a job or maybe your version of a mess is that someone else had to leave and someone leaked and someone was nasty and someone said rude words. | ||
| But for me, coming from the UK and London, you know, a mess for us is A country that is not going to enforce Brexit that we voted for, 52% of us voted for. | ||
| We may not ever see that and mess for me is in 24 hours since I left the UK, there were four stabbings, two acid attacks And a riot. | ||
| And then of course we've come off the back of a summer where we've been run down by trucks, blown up on bridges and stabbed with hunting knives when we're out trying to have a meal with our families. | ||
| So your version of a mess in terms of a political system and organised chaos is quite different to my reference of a mess. | ||
| Londonistan is a mess. | ||
| Yeah, so you would really argue that the mess you're dealing with, even though for the people that are triggered or upset by Trump, that your mess is much worse. | ||
| Yeah, in many ways, you know, I look to America as kind of hope, like inspiration, hope you've got someone tough in the White House that's determined to get things done. | ||
| You've got a whole A group of people who believed they'd been forgotten, which to me is the Brexiteers. | ||
| It's the same. | ||
| It's the rest of UK. | ||
| That's the rest of America that isn't California or isn't New York. | ||
| The rest of America got their voice heard. | ||
| And that really speaks to the Brexiteer in me, where the rest of the UK finally got to say to London, no, you think you're smart. | ||
| You think you're liberal. | ||
| You don't live amongst the migration. | ||
| You don't live with what we live with. | ||
| And you're going to listen to us. | ||
| And I think Trump did that. | ||
| And I love that he does it. | ||
| Yeah, tell me a little bit about where your politics came from. | ||
| Like, growing up, were you always into politics? | ||
| Were you into news? | ||
| What happened here? | ||
| What happened to me? | ||
| I don't know, my father asked that on a fairly regular basis. | ||
| Actually, he told me to ask that question. | ||
| He said, what happened here? | ||
| My father says if I marry anyone else I'm out of the will. | ||
| So like he has some rules for me and those are his basic rules now. | ||
| No more weddings ever for me. | ||
| I'm already on husband two. | ||
| But I call him like my current husband just to keep him like a little bit anxious, a little bit anxious. | ||
| What happened to me? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| So I was just a regular kid. | ||
| I went to a convent school. | ||
| You can blame the nuns somewhere in there. | ||
| Yeah and then I kind of like debating and then I went into, so I was Army, Industry, was in Manhattan for 10 years in the East Village I lived, love, and then from there I went on to the British version of The Apprentice and it seems that from there I kind of segwayed into media. | ||
| I had no plan to do that. | ||
| I had no desire to be media and commentary, but after The Apprentice, kind of media just sort of took me up and took me over. | ||
| And then there became this kind of little space for someone who was prepared to say it really straight, who didn't necessarily want to be liked, who doesn't have an agent or a publicist or a legion of PRs trying to pretend that I'm something that I'm totally not. | ||
| I am just this. | ||
| And I think that's where I sort of found my niche. | ||
| And I think that the more I live amongst London and the more I work amongst a liberal establishment, the elite, the left wing, the more actually my platform grows because people see that the list of things we can't say is longer than the list of things we can. | ||
| And when they're silenced, they kind of look to me and say, well, at least she's still speaking. | ||
| And that's What really annoys the lefties is the more they try and shut things down, silence me, the bigger my voice, and it really annoys them, and I say to them, you know, you are Frankenstein, and I am your monster, and that really annoys them, and I love that. | ||
| Well, it's like Milo, when I had Milo on before he was Milo, when people were just kind of finding out who he is. | ||
| I had my hair done in his honor. | ||
| He told me he had his hair done in your honor. | ||
| Yeah, people are like, is that Milo? | ||
| I'm like, no it is not, it is his sister. | ||
| Well, I think you have more than hair just in common because he kept saying to me right at the beginning when I had him on really before he had gotten anywhere close to the Milo that we we now know he said well look if these guys want to beat me I'll tell you how to beat me don't show up stop protesting me blah blah blah Yeah. | ||
| you know, he wanted attention. | ||
| And yet they kept doing the wrong thing. | ||
| Do you find consistently that your intellectual opponents or the people that don't like you, | ||
| that they just, they won't even do the work to sort of beat your ideas | ||
| that it's just about silencing? | ||
| It's, yes, exactly right. | ||
| So, they've become smarter. | ||
| You know, I watch them. | ||
| They're like amoeba or like some kind of virus or disease and I watch them evolve. | ||
| So, they sort of worked out that antibiotic and how to beat that and now they've evolved to get the next one. | ||
| So, their latest iteration of themselves. | ||
| Is to go at your commercial sponsors or to go at your boss or to go at your boss's boss or to try and take you down that way. | ||
| And that's upsetting to me, not because I'll lose platforms, because I'll accept that. | ||
| That's no problem. | ||
| It's that I would much rather they were sat in that chair opposite me and take me down because you're smarter than me. | ||
| Take me down because your arguments are better than mine. | ||
| Take me down because, OK, you didn't know Trump was going to win. | ||
| I did. | ||
| OK, you didn't call Brexit. | ||
| I did. | ||
| But don't take me down because I happened to be right and you were wrong. | ||
| Be better than me. | ||
| And I don't see that yet. | ||
| But I do see the way that groups of the establishment of the left can influence commercial sponsors. | ||
| And of course that will remove a platform any day of the week. | ||
| Yeah, it's funny that the first thing you said, we only talked for a couple of minutes before we started, | ||
| but we're talking about how I built this thing here. | ||
| Yes, I love that you've done this. | ||
| There's this craziness now with, there's some stuff with Patreon | ||
| that I did an interview with earlier in the week. | ||
| And there's all sorts of demonetization things and all that. | ||
| Now you're working for a mainstream publication, but you still have those same pressures of, well, are they gonna come for your job, or what else are they gonna do? | ||
| Absolutely, and of course if I'm a Daily Mail columnist, there is the reputation of MailOnline, DailyMail.com that sits with me. | ||
| They can go after that. | ||
| They can use communities of interest. | ||
| I'm so pro-Israel, pro-Jews. | ||
| I want to be. | ||
| I'm an ambitious Jew myself. | ||
| I'm not one, but I want to be one when I grow up. | ||
| I have this nose and I want to be Jewish. | ||
| That's my life goal. | ||
| I got born with a nose and yet still didn't get to be Jewish, which is like totally unfair. | ||
| And yet randomly these lefties will sometimes find a group of maybe rabbis that are part of their hope not hate. | ||
| You know, we have hope not hate. | ||
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Yes, yes. | |
| And then they use the rabbis. | ||
| I'm like, but I'm your biggest fan! | ||
| So they will use people to try and influence my bosses, the paper, to try and suggest that their association with me is in some way harming their brand. | ||
| Whereas in reality, of course, all it takes is for me to put up a column that then is the most read column that week. | ||
| And it's so infuriating because therefore I'm useful to the paper. | ||
| Yeah, so how much of your political ideology, which obviously I want to get into, how much of it is based either just purely in politics and the things behind philosophy versus just... Life. | ||
| Yeah, just the piece that's just like, well, screw these guys who got everything wrong and they're still preening and preaching and trying to take my job and the rest of it. | ||
| Yeah, I think my stuff definitely comes much more from life. | ||
| So, it hasn't been that I've just like – I'm a kind of, I don't know, geek that I kind of watch a lot of news or watch a lot of politicians and then I have something to say about that. | ||
| I don't feel that way at all. | ||
| What I feel, it's much more authentic to me. | ||
| It's much more inside of me, the things I feel. | ||
| So, the reason I wanted to be in the force is, you know, I went to Sandhurst. | ||
| I was sponsored By the Intelligence Corps through university, a great surprise to most people who like to say that I'm stupid as one of my labels, is that I wanted to defend my country. | ||
| I wanted to fight for my country. | ||
| I was going to be the first female general. | ||
| You know, I'm a proud patriot, so that's in me. | ||
| And then when I went into business, you know, the idea that the free market is the answer, that small state, limited state, is the answer to be a true libertarian. You will not | ||
| prescribe how you can spend your money, what your health care comes from, how you will spend | ||
| your time. I think we need limited state. That comes from my time in business and then | ||
| certainly operating with people like things like The Apprentice or whatever. Just | ||
| watching human nature, watching how easy, how quickly you can work someone out, what they're | ||
| like, what they think, how they work, how you can take them down. | ||
| I love all of that. | ||
| And that kind of builds into my debate stuff or the stuff I do on TV, where it's easy to see a weakness and you can just take people out on it. | ||
| Yeah, so is that part of when people criticize you and, well, she says this, she talks, you know, even, actually, I got less this time, which I think is a good sign that the first time I said I was having you on, again, about a year ago, I got all these people, she's racist, she's a bigot. | ||
| She's stupid. | ||
| Yeah, this time, I think maybe I sent the tweet out at an odd time at night also, so you never know. | ||
| The people that are awake at two in the morning. | ||
| You know, it's funny, I know it would be virtually impossible to offend you, but I suppose if I was to say, well, I tweeted something out that I'm having on, unless people were upset, that actually might offend you, because you'd be like, shit, well, maybe I'm not doing my job properly. | ||
| No, I think things have changed a little. | ||
| But I think that shows that reason, in a way, is working, because people are getting less outraged by hearing some common sense stuff. | ||
| I look at your Twitter sometimes, and I'm like, yeah, a while ago, maybe she said that in a little way that I wouldn't have said it, or this, yeah, it's just not exactly how I operate. | ||
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No, of course. | |
| But I never, from what I've seen, I've never seen blatant racism or Anti-semitic stuff, or Islamophobia is not a word, but I really haven't seen that. | ||
| No, it's not a choice of me. | ||
| So are you not a bigoted racist, islamophobic, homophobic? | ||
| I don't mind, you know, I say go for it. | ||
| Like if you like labels, go for it. | ||
| If you can add an ist onto something and make me it, if that's your hobby, go crazy. | ||
| Like you're probably at home, you probably still live with your mom, you're probably in her spare room. | ||
| Your keyboard is definitely sticky. | ||
| Maybe give it a wipe sometime if you're really bored with your life. | ||
| You'd probably still like floss your teeth with your own toenails and eat your own earwax. | ||
| I don't mind, but you're going to call me a racist, a fattest, love that one, an islamophobe, whatever. | ||
| I believe I'm none of those things. | ||
| I can show you and demonstrate to you through argument, through what I do, through the stories that I've told, the columns I've written, I'm none of those things. | ||
| I understand that if you lack the vocabulary and the intellect to be able to take me down with an argument, you think a label will suffice. | ||
| What you will have seen over ten years of throwing those labels at me is that I still haven't really shut up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I think the other thing people see is they do see what you see is that I get so much sort of thrown at me so much aggression or people imagine | ||
| that I get assaulted in the street. I don't. But the people say, "I'm going to come and | ||
| rape you with a machete." | ||
| You know, okay, good, but it won't fit because... | ||
| That seems a bit much. | ||
| Yeah, well, it's fine. You know, like, "I'm going to come and lock you in your car and | ||
| set fire to it." Oh, sure, you know, whatever makes you feel good. | ||
| You lack the language to be able to articulate the way that you're cross with me. | ||
| And I understand that people are cross with me because I have a different view to them. | ||
| I don't accept many of the things that are seen as the tick box of right answers that you have to have in the UK. | ||
| I don't accept that we should just have open borders. | ||
| I don't accept that we should pander to Muslim and Islam as a religion. | ||
| I don't accept, for example, I was speaking yesterday with a bunch of, a room full of feminists. | ||
| I mean, you could just hear them just kind of melting when I spoke. | ||
| But, you know, my challenge to them is, where are you? | ||
| Where are you, you feminazis? | ||
| Women have got burkas on when husbands are allowed to take three wives. | ||
| Where are you for the Muslim rape squads in the UK? | ||
| I don't hear you talking about that. | ||
| Where were you when in Cologne on New Year's Eve there were 1,200 sexual assaults? | ||
| I don't hear you. | ||
| Same with Black Lives Matter. | ||
| Went to a debate yesterday. | ||
| The woman stood up. | ||
| The first thing she said, do we all agree that black lives matter? | ||
| And the room went crazy. | ||
| And it's like, you have got to be... Are we really at a point where someone was saying black lives didn't matter? | ||
| Is that the best you've got? | ||
| We bumped into the niece of Martin Luther King in the foyer on my way to come and see you. | ||
| And I asked her, you know, what's your view on black lives matter? | ||
| And she said, they are just paid protesters and they need to just stop. | ||
| Yeah, she hates this identity politics stuff, right? | ||
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| And that's from the niece of Martin Luther King. | ||
| And you go, she's probably got a point. | ||
| And I think this identity politics has to stop. | ||
| I watched the Pussy Marches in Washington when I went to the inauguration of Trump. | ||
| Best day of my life. | ||
| And I went to the Pussy Marches to see what they were about. | ||
| And you know, they were just so pathetic. | ||
| So, some women had banners with Save the Environment. | ||
| Some had banners with Black Lives Matter. | ||
| Some were vegetarians and wanted to tell you about that. | ||
| And others were like, here because my pussy is made of steel. | ||
| Like, make up your mind. | ||
| Why are you here? | ||
| You don't know. | ||
| You're just a coalition of weakness and victimhood. | ||
| Be better. | ||
| Like, women need to be better than that. | ||
| And they're not. | ||
| And women have never been more disappointing. | ||
| It's obvious to me that not a lot gets to you, but to me, if I were you, that would get to me as a woman. | ||
| That just by saying all these things, the mainstream womanhood... It's not a system! | ||
| Believe that! | ||
| The Witchmaster Cauldrons of Witches! | ||
| I don't know what the collective noun is for witches, but it's that. | ||
| Which is, I think, yeah. | ||
| But that thing, that they would turn on you, I mean, whether they like your politics or not, you're a strong, independent woman with a track record and a resume and all of those things, so you'd think there would be a little, they might say, ah, we don't like the way she talks about this, but you'd think there'd be a little room in this wide umbrella, but the purpose, their whole purpose is to get rid of people. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And I quite like the idea they can't. | ||
| I like the idea that I'm a woman. | ||
| So, men find it a bit tricky to directly challenge me unless they're threatening to, you know, kill me on Twitter. | ||
| And women find me really awkward because I am one, and yet I don't say the things they need it to say. | ||
| So, you can see the women in the room looking at me going, but she sort of is a woman, but she's not supporting. | ||
| Endless maternity leave. | ||
| She's not supporting the fact that we should have all female shortlists. | ||
| She won't buy into the idea that we should definitely have equal pay at all times. | ||
| She won't buy into the idea that equal treatment, all you have to say is say that and it means something. | ||
| If you listen to what the Women's March and the women's group say, all their words come out but I still hear nothing. | ||
| They mean nothing. | ||
| You say to them, so what's come from the Pussy Marches, the Women's Marches? | ||
| What have you achieved? | ||
| Tell me some definitive outcomes from the Women's Marches. | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| There's just nothing. | ||
| And so what will you advise women to do? | ||
| Rise up! | ||
| Rise up! | ||
| That's all you hear. | ||
| Rise up where? | ||
| Go where? | ||
| What are you rising up for? | ||
| What are you achieving? | ||
| They achieve nothing because they have no clear aim, no strategy and no way of delivering it. | ||
| And I think that's very disappointing. | ||
| Where do you think that's worse? | ||
| Do you think that's worse in Britain or in the United States, that intersectional thing? | ||
| Because we know it's pretty terrible here, but I suspect it's probably pretty close? | ||
| I think it's probably pretty close. | ||
| I think it's, I think, so usually what happens in America comes to us. | ||
| I think whatever you guys are up to, whether it's taking masses of prescription drugs, eventually we'll catch up and do the same. | ||
| Sorry about that. | ||
| Yeah, thank you. | ||
| And if you get kind of chronically obese, eventually all of Britain will follow. | ||
| We do that. | ||
| Sorry about that. | ||
| Yeah, I'm not here to like, I would like to apologize for America. | ||
| But I do think things like the way that we've divided ourselves by these groups of victims and the way you get ahead on the left is by being a bigger victim than the other victim or less well represented or somehow made to feel like you were a minority group. | ||
| That is not unique to America. | ||
| I think we suffer from it. | ||
| I think Hillary Clinton was the kind of, you know, she was the sort of flag bearer for that. | ||
| She just waved the flag. | ||
| If you're a victim, saw yourself as a victim, a minority, then go to Clinton. | ||
| And that's why, obviously, she lost. | ||
| That's why she had no cohesive policies that I ever remember. | ||
| But that's definitely playing out in the UK. | ||
| Young people, the first thing they identify with isn't their country Or necessarily a political party. | ||
| It's what their weakness is and how they can be more weak than the next person so that they own the victim status. | ||
| And that is tragic. | ||
| So outside of the people like you that are outspoken, talking about it and kind of being fun about it and everything else, how do you fix the system? | ||
| I mean, how do you get the education system to go, being a victim is not something that you want to do later in life? | ||
| Like, how do you actually do concrete steps to fix some of this stuff? | ||
| So, I kind of commit to doing two or three talks a month inside of schools or colleges that will allow me in, and we would appreciate that window is ever narrower. | ||
| Also, my main following on Twitter – so, I have kind of 800,000 Twitter followers, whatever – my main following is actually very young people. | ||
| There's also the oldies that just sort of see me as this kind of – they hold on to me in some nostalgic way, like I represent what Britain used to be like. | ||
| But actually it's the young people that follow and the young people that email me to say, you know, I can't say what you say. | ||
| I can't, I can't even, I'm not allowed to think the things you think, but I love that you do it. | ||
| I love that you do it. | ||
| I'm holding on to you because they're in schools and colleges where they're being brainwashed just as you are here with your campuses. | ||
| And they can no longer say any of the things that they would want to say. | ||
| You know, I have stories from kids that were in politics class that said, thinking of a caller to my radio show, a mother that her son said that he supported Trump and eventually he was bullied out of that politics class even and told by the lecturer that he should have less radical thoughts. | ||
| You know, I know a primary school that handed out Clinton mints In the playground the night before, in Britain, you know the night before, literally handed out mints with Clinton on so that the kids would know Clinton was the right answer. | ||
| You know we have kids at age four and five who had to raise their hands if their parents voted for Brexit and they were made to feel silly and went home and said, oh you know, we were made to feel silly in class because you were the ones that voted Brexit. | ||
| And after Trump got in, our school children were sent home and told in primary schools, you'll go home tonight and your parents will be crying. | ||
| And your parents will be very upset because the wrong person won. | ||
| And in this school we don't support hate. | ||
| And they're allowed to teach that. | ||
| And that is a very curious thing, because whilst we're trying to embrace this kind of idea of multiculturalism and, you know, we're all equal and it's great that we have Muslims in our classes, that therefore means if Trump comes up with something labelled a Muslim ban, Trump equals hate and the school takes that as permission to teach an entire generation of young people Trump equals hate. | ||
| And that, I find that very hard, that the left try to own the word hope and they try to leave hate for everybody else so that I become a hate preacher. | ||
| It drives me crazy. | ||
| Yeah, you gave me a lot there. | ||
| Okay, so let's talk about Islam, because I don't know if you know this, | ||
| but a lot of people are talking about it. | ||
| You're talking about it a lot. | ||
| So how much of this, it's hard for me sometimes when I follow certain people on Twitter | ||
| to figure out how much of this stuff is actually real versus just sort of, if everyone, | ||
| and I'm not saying you specifically, but just people, that cherry pick story, | ||
| we focus on this. | ||
| So we hear about these rape groups now in England and that there were major coverups. | ||
| We hear about these no-go zones. | ||
| We hear about plenty of the street preachers and what's happening in the mosques and all this stuff. | ||
| I have tried incredibly hard for the years that I've been doing this show to separate the ideas of Islam, which is a set of ideas that should be criticized the same way you could criticize the ideas that are Judaism or the ideas that are Christianity or the ideas that are capitalism or anything else. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Versus Muslims who are people, the vast majority who want the same exact things that you want and I want and everybody else. | ||
| How big of an issue do you think this battle between the ideas of Islam and the West is? | ||
| Or did I even frame that properly? | ||
| No, I think it's fair the way you frame it. | ||
| And I think it would be a great thing if we were able to, in our daily lives, I'm talking about in the UK, if we were able to separate those two things out nice and neatly so that it was about Islam and the ideology and a criticism of that versus Regular Muslims living in the UK, many of whom are working very hard, many of whom have been here for generations and just want to crack on and do the same as the rest of us, which is look after our families, work hard and try and be vaguely healthy and happy as much as we can. | ||
| But I think the problem for us is... By the way, we could be a lot better about that argument right here in America too. | ||
| So that's not unique to you guys, because I try to do it all the time and still get thrown in with the people that are not doing that. | ||
| No, but I think in the UK the problem with trying to have that kind of educated approach and that differentiation of those two positions is that when we live amongst it so much and the attacks are so relentless, it's hard. | ||
| So, as you're walking across, if I think now, you know, if I'm walking across Westminster Bridge to the House of Commons, you know, the fact that there are these concrete bollards up that now Separate people on pavements from the roads. | ||
| You know when we go to certain junctions now there's concrete bollards so that trucks can't drive into you when you're crossing. | ||
| I think that we live amongst that so much that there's a fear of the acid attacks where the police have just been putting out what to do in the instance of an acid attack. | ||
| So this is kind of the new one now? | ||
| Yes, so the evolution for us was the terror attack, especially across Ramadan in the summer, that sort of peak terror for us. | ||
| We had the Manchester bomb as well. | ||
| Then we had the police saying, you know, you run, you hide, you tell. | ||
| Run, hide, tell. | ||
| That's the message from the police. | ||
| So that was pushed out. | ||
| And of course, that goes against everything inside of me that says, no, you chase them, you fight them, You try your best, you die trying. | ||
| That feels more like the advice I want to hear. | ||
| And there was a few people, one Millwall football supporter who did precisely that. | ||
| He fought those attackers with their knives and he got taken apart, but he survived. | ||
| But anyway, run, hide, tell. | ||
| That feels wrong. | ||
| That's not British to me. | ||
| And now we've got the latest police advice, which is for acid attacks, because the latest is to come up on a moped, squirt sulfuric acid and take people out that way. | ||
| And the acid attacks are sort of, you know, whatever it says, it's this, it's rinse, it's repeat, it's something, cover. | ||
| And it's weird to me that we live in a time where that's our police advice. | ||
| It's about how to cope with terror and acid. | ||
| I find it really hard then to differentiate, right, let's be a sensible philosophical debate about Islam versus I need a concrete bollard to get over that bridge and here's my advice for terror. | ||
| And I also think, you know, we had surveys done, 52% of Muslims in the UK believe homosexuality should be illegal, 52% of the Muslims. | ||
| You know, and the level of support for terror attacks from Muslims living in the UK is very high. | ||
| And then, for example, when the grooming gangs attack, you know, we have that in so many of our cities. | ||
| They are coordinated. | ||
| They are networked. | ||
| They are devastating. | ||
| And they see white girls, my daughters, as trash. | ||
| We don't see many imams ever standing outside the courts to just say, not in the name of our religion. | ||
| And I would have liked to see that more. | ||
| I'd like to see feminists also saying, this is not right, but I don't hear that. | ||
| There seems to be a silence on the left about all of that. | ||
| So I think you've already answered this, but what do you think that odd alliance? | ||
| I mean, I've had a zillion guests on to talk about this, but this strange alliance between feminism and Islam. | ||
| I mean, there is an alliance between two things that should by all accounts be completely at odds with each other. | ||
| Yeah, so on the left for me, it seems to me there is a very clear hierarchy of things you accept. | ||
| So you accept on the left, first of all multiculturalism. | ||
| Like that is your bedrock. | ||
| That's the foundation of everything. | ||
| That's the number one thing you have to accept. | ||
| And then things fall under that in a hierarchy that we could argue about. | ||
| So maybe LGBT, maybe Black Lives Matter goes above that. | ||
| You could put the environment somewhere. | ||
| This is a hierarchy. | ||
| So when it comes to Homophobia in the Islamic community, the Muslim community, multiculturalism still takes precedent and that's why you have the silence. | ||
| There's a thought vortex where they can't possibly stick up for or reject or denounce the idea that it's not acceptable to be homophobic in the UK because multiculturalism and respect for the Muslim faith is higher on their hierarchy of thinking. | ||
| It's a bit like Maslow's hierarchy. | ||
| But if it was Christians, with those exact same beliefs, you would say that they're a bunch of homophobes. | ||
| But for whatever reason... Their hierarchy, Christians, comes much lower. | ||
| And in fact, just last night, I don't know what time I crawled into bed after Politicon, I think it was 3.30 in the morning. | ||
| Don't tell my father. | ||
| I'm 42. | ||
| So I had an email from someone asking, so people email me when they need things to be heard or they feel so frustrated they know that I can help give them a voice. | ||
| So someone emailed me because our police very much now are pushing reporting of hate crime Because they are driven to do that through their policing strategy is to push people towards to reporting hate crime, which of course why you see hate crime go up. | ||
| And they are kind of rewarded on achieving hate crime figures as part of their reporting. | ||
| Anyway, hate crime reporting is very big in the U.K. | ||
| Police departments are pushing it about the right About the right wing, not really about left, or if you've had hate, maybe someone threatened to rape you with a machete, that doesn't matter. | ||
| But even if you go on to one of the police forces, I don't want to misquote it, I think it might be Bedfordshire, I'd need to double check, but when you go on and you try and log a hate crime, Christianity isn't even there. | ||
| So it asks you to say your religion, whether you're a Buddhist, whether you're Muslim, whether you're whatever, Christianity's not even on the list. | ||
| And I think that says something huge about the way Christianity is perceived in the UK. | ||
| It's not even being relevant enough to be a category on a drop-down menu anymore. | ||
| Yeah, and what's odd is that these things are now truly becoming systemic. | ||
| Because wasn't there a story just about a month ago that the BBC specifically was telling white people not to apply to certain jobs? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, that's something I've reported about for a while. | ||
| So, Creative Access the company is called. | ||
| We managed to or I ran some things in the Daily Mail. | ||
| Eventually, their funding was stopped for a while, but they are back. | ||
| Their funding source, they have found a new source of funding. | ||
| Like I say, these viruses tend to evolve to overcome. | ||
| I see myself as the antibiotic, but they evolve and they come back. | ||
| So, Creative Access Creative, it really is. | ||
| It's available in any colour, as long as it's not white, like all good vans. | ||
| And I think if you're black, minority, ethnic, you can apply. | ||
| And one of the interesting things as well, it's always for positions where no qualifications are required either. | ||
| So it's literally a free job for you. | ||
| The only thing you cannot be is white and that is to most positions for the BBC and it's linked intrinsically through the establishment so that they're getting more representation of the sorts of faces they want. | ||
| What do you make of the intentions of these people? | ||
| So, I'm with you. | ||
| I hear you, obviously. | ||
| Most of my audience hears you. | ||
| They get it. | ||
| They've been trying to fight this leftism. | ||
| I told you beforehand. | ||
| I mean, I used to be a lefty, and now I realize that liberalism, in the way that I view it, has nothing to do with being on the left. | ||
| But I try not to impugn everyone's motives. | ||
| On the road to Damascus, you had a saw-like moment, and you saw the light. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| So, although I don't know that I'd be welcome in Damascus, but we'll see. | ||
| But point is that I try not to impugn everyone's motives. | ||
| What do you think of the motives of these people when they sit there in that boardroom at this company and they're doing all this? | ||
| You think this is just misguided craziness or are there people that truly are trying to do what? | ||
| I'm not even sure. | ||
| So there's two thoughts I have. | ||
| One I don't like to imagine is true. | ||
| And the other one is that it is just the correct thought, the approved mind think in the UK in terms of that hierarchy of thinking. | ||
| The approved mind think is multiculturalism. | ||
| The BBC achieves funding if it takes its multiculturalism and multicultural objectives. | ||
| And as we look to see how that maps out through the things that we see, we read, we watch, we see more and more of the faces that we're supposed to accept. | ||
| So that's my surface level interpretation it's correct groupthink and it's approved think. | ||
| My more sinister interpretation that I don't like to go near because it sends me down to the tinfoil hat brigade and it makes me very concerned is that it's part of a wider approved and Soros backed movement of people that is accept that the world is changing, accept mass migration of the third world to the first. | ||
| So this is when And Alex Jones talks about the globalists, though, right? | ||
| That's that version of this. | ||
| Yes, and I try and do the thing you talked about. | ||
| So I do try and discipline myself. | ||
| I always ask myself, what would someone else say? | ||
| What would someone that hated me say? | ||
| What would my husband say? | ||
| Like, my husband is the opposite of me. | ||
| He's known as Lovely Mark. | ||
| He wears soft shoes. | ||
| He's got an earring. | ||
| He votes Labor. | ||
| I said I would leave the country if Labor got in. | ||
| He went straight down to that polling station and voted Labor. | ||
| So, I think to myself, what would Mark say? | ||
| But my point is, I think that the thoughts of people that talk about globalization, the Soros-backed takeover of the first world of Europe, I believe that may be the true interpretation of why this is being forced through the establishment. | ||
| And I see that in all different ways. | ||
| So, I have traveled to Sweden. | ||
| I've been through no-go Malmo, through the no-go zones and seen women that are too frightened to go out at night because it's terrifying there. | ||
| I just came back from Libya and the MED watching and plotting on the satellite tracking data as well as standing at the ports interviewing individuals to watch the NGO ferries leave, watch the tugboat come out. | ||
| So, the NGO ferry goes over, the tugboat comes out from the Libyan shore, drops something in the water and goes back. | ||
| And then the NGO boats all came back, 2,500 migrants into Sicily during the week that I was there. | ||
| I watched this. | ||
| I see these faces coming to us through Creative Access where only black people are acceptable. | ||
| And then I also see that the mayors, the mayoral positions in the UK, which you can It's much easier to get a mayor in that you specifically want to get. | ||
| The way that the Muslim mayors in the UK are spreading and the power is starting to spread. | ||
| We have a Muslim mayor, as you know, in London. | ||
| That's when I go down the tinfoil hat route, but I start to think perhaps that is true. | ||
| Perhaps it is actually a much bigger strategic globalist plan that is about taking over Western Europe. | ||
| Yeah, and you know I have one of Carl Sagan's books over there, who's my favorite scientist of all time, and one of my favorite thinkers, and he would, as I quote all the time, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. | ||
| So a lot of the stuff that you're talking about, I think about a lot of that stuff too. | ||
| I have plenty of guests that think about it. | ||
| And then, you know, the other part of me wants that evidence, but perhaps you just don't get it in life. | ||
| Well, I think you find not the big picture evidence, but you can find small pieces of the puzzle. | ||
| And in a way, that's what I've spent, I suppose, the last 12 or 18 months doing, is just going to the jungle in Calais and watching the truckers, you know, under tear gas, watching the migrants get on the backs of trucks, spending 48 hours in a truck, seeing truckers have their paths blocked by trees being felled so the migrants could get on the lorries, going to the Med – I'm just gesturing at your world map – People wondering. | ||
| To watch the NGO ferry boats arriving that are also funded through ways we can track the funding. | ||
| To see these pieces, to go to Sweden where the Liberals want to tell you it's all fine But actually you go to No Go Malmo and I'm the only girl and I got told to go suck your mum, you know, because I was even daring to be out after five o'clock at night. | ||
| And you start to piece together these bits of the jigsaw and you start to see that maybe that picture does add up to something quite a bit darker than you might I like to think. | ||
| It's almost too sinister to go there because you wonder then, as I'm a mum, I've got three children, they are 12, 11 and 8. | ||
| You do then wonder what does that mean for the country that you believed in so passionately you wanted to be in the military to defend it. | ||
| So it's inside me, it's a burning anger standing watching those boats ferrying migrants, ferrying men, knowing that they're worth 45 euros a head to the mafia that run them. | ||
| It's an anger in me that we're watching this happen and we've just seen Macron in France just buy up all the Formula 1 hotels. | ||
| That sounds quite jazzy, they're really rubbish hotels. | ||
| That sounded very fancy. | ||
| I know, they're called Formula 1, but they're not at all Formula 1. | ||
| What's a really rubbish hotel chain? | ||
| We probably can't say that. | ||
| Well, let me not sell anybody out. | ||
| No, so okay, let's imagine a hotel chain that you wouldn't go to. | ||
| The Formula E hotels, I remember going to them when I was doing French exchange trips. | ||
| You know, they put kids in them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And Matt Cronin has just bought them up, and he will now turn those hotels into homes for the migrants. | ||
| And that's what Italy has done. | ||
| So I was at a hotel for migrants in Italy last week. | ||
| And so another country goes. | ||
| Like, it just, the pattern is adding up, the picture is adding up. | ||
| And it scares me. | ||
| All right, so let's talk a little bit more about multiculturalism. | ||
| Because I think multiculturalism has worked pretty well in America. | ||
| We are the melting pot. | ||
| Everyone comes here from all over the earth. | ||
| They come here, they bring their traditions, but you become part of the greater tradition of America. | ||
| This is something that I'm very proud to live in this country for, and I think we've done it like no other place in the history of the world. | ||
| Is our experiment of multiculturalism different and perhaps better than the way you guys have done it in Europe? | ||
| So I love being in America. | ||
| I love that you will, people will chant USA, USA. | ||
| I love that. | ||
| I mean, I appreciate that's political in other places where I've seen it, maybe on the Trump trail, but I love that. | ||
| I love that people will wear the American flag or have stuff that is kind of American flag about them or they'll be proud of it. | ||
| Hey, look right through our window over there. | ||
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| You can't get away from it. | ||
| You've got a big American flag. | ||
| Or like, you know, when I used to, I do, so when I lived in New York I used to do run | ||
| club every Sunday and before we ran we sang the national anthem. | ||
| That kind of makes no sense to a British person because it's like, OK, we'll just sing the | ||
| national anthem before we have a little jog. | ||
| That would never happen. | ||
| You do not hear the national anthem at all in the UK. | ||
| Here, it feels like the first thing you should be, or at least you are, and if you're not, well, you know, whatever, is American. | ||
| And that has worked brilliantly, and I feel that you've got it right. | ||
| And I'm urging at all times, whenever I'm speaking on Fox or any of the stuff I do, is always to say, look at England, look at the UK. | ||
| Do not be us. | ||
| Do not become us. | ||
| That's always my plea to America. | ||
| Do not look at us. | ||
| As the thing you don't want to be. | ||
| And when I look at the UK, I know that we don't have multiculturalism, not at all. | ||
| We have ghettos of individual cultures. | ||
| We have monocultures living alongside each other. | ||
| So you can even go to areas of London and you'll know if you're in the Afghanistan area, the Somalian area, the Eritrean area or the Pakistani area. | ||
| And the interesting thing for me when I went to the jungle in Calais where the migrants live before they get on the lorries if they can get on, is I went to an area, I was looking for a lady with her young son who actually turned out to be a girl but she dressed him as a boy so that the daughter wouldn't get taken from her or attacked by the men. | ||
| That was upsetting enough. | ||
| But I went to look for her in the Afghani area and they were like, They were shocked that she was Somalian. | ||
| But she wouldn't be here. | ||
| This is the Afghani area. | ||
| And that was in the migrant camp of Calais. | ||
| Now, you take that and you bring that to London, the same. | ||
| They come here. | ||
| They don't mix. | ||
| It's not multicultural. | ||
| And every old historic argument, conflict, tension that they had in their home country They brought, and they brought it with them. | ||
| And that's why you see the banlieue of Paris is, you know, those lines are delineated where the hand grenades fall. | ||
| And that's the same in Sweden, marked by this culture or that. | ||
| We don't have multiculturalism. | ||
| Yeah, so I'm glad you made that distinction, though, because when you say you're against multiculturalism, you're actually, you're not really against multiculturalism, the idea of it, you're against the way it's been put into practice. | ||
| Put into practice, and the lie, the disconnect, the, I think, mistruth, whatever way you want to package that up so it sounds better, but the outright nonsense that Britain is a multicultural triumph. | ||
| No, you guys are. | ||
| I think Italy actually is still maintaining there's something about being Italian that feels it's very strong. | ||
| It's all that good food. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| And when you're in southern Italy, even though the migrant boats are coming, being Italian matters more. | ||
| And I really enjoyed that when I was there. | ||
| But we haven't got that right in the UK. | ||
| We have not achieved multiculturalism in its true sense. | ||
| We have achieved a bunch of monocultures that still hate each other. | ||
| And we're in amongst that. | ||
| Is anyone politically talking about this in a way that you think is right? | ||
| Like, is anyone really addressing the heart of it? | ||
| No. | ||
| We've lost... Where you've got, like, Corbyn who's embracing it, right? | ||
| And then... | ||
| We've lost – the U.K. | ||
| has lost its way at the moment. | ||
| So, after Brexit, you know, I was triumphant. | ||
| I was so excited. | ||
| You know, there's Farage and I kind of have been pushing Brexit. | ||
| I was like the female Farage, I guess. | ||
| I don't know what I was. | ||
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| So, yeah, you know, so that was Brexit. | ||
| We had our tails up and then Trump got in. | ||
| Life couldn't be better. | ||
| And then now we've lost all of that because we had the snap election and the people that voted Remain used it as their opportunity to have effectively a second referendum. | ||
| So we don't have anybody that's standing up for making Britain great again. | ||
| We don't have someone putting forward the ideas that we need to reduce the amount of state involvement in our healthcare, to overhaul our schooling system so that only the brightest and the best get through, to reduce the number of individuals being educated to death for no reason because they were barely literate before they even got to university. | ||
| We need to pull back the state and we don't have anybody talking like that in the UK. | ||
| But we do have Trump in America. | ||
| Well, you've got Farage though, right? | ||
| But I guess he's not part of the government. | ||
| No, he's discredited largely. | ||
| He's not part of the government. | ||
| He's not standing again. | ||
| He's not currently part of a party and UKIP have fallen away because after Brexit they didn't have a place because the Conservatives really took their ground. | ||
| It's a very disappointing place in terms of when people talk about, you know, I listen to the liberal comics at Politicon saying about how these are dark times in America. | ||
| Dark times. | ||
| You're a dark time. | ||
| What you're wearing, honey, that is dark. | ||
| No, I didn't. | ||
| But you go to the UK for someone like who's a Brexiteer without anybody to look to for hope and you go, this is dark times. | ||
| We may not get Brexit. | ||
| We don't have anybody who wants to make Britain great again and we don't have a voice that's going to represent us just yet. | ||
| What do you make of some of the movements on the right in the UK and that are happening throughout Europe? | ||
| You know, like the EDL and PEGIDA and all that stuff. | ||
| I think the issue with as soon as the label, many labels are ineffective now. | ||
| Racist, I think is ineffective. | ||
| Islamophobe is ineffective because enough of us can see that we're being done harm by a religion that we should work out how to work alongside. | ||
| But I think in terms of being far right, that label still has meaning and it's sufficient As a label to discredit anything that therefore is said by that individual. | ||
| So as soon as you can chuck a far-right label on it, that's an excuse not to even listen, not even hear. | ||
| And even if that individual, let's take Tommy Robinson, is outside a court protesting against Muslim grooming gangs, rape squads rather, if we're using true terms, he'll be discredited and ridiculed and just pushed away because he's far-right. | ||
| And of course that doesn't fit in the hierarchy of Which then I think just actually breeds support for Tommy Robinson because if you watch, I've had him on the show, I've had Majid on a couple of times and Majid was talking about him just a couple of weeks ago right here and they obviously have major issues and Tommy showed up at the offices and it's caused all sorts of problems. | ||
| For the most part, I think Tommy does, again, make a distinction between ideas and people. | ||
| He has gone out, he's left organizations that were truly racist. | ||
| And then when people see the way he's dismissed, they go, wait a minute, he's not really, he's talking about some shit that we need to talk about and look at the way he's treated. | ||
| And then they quietly are then supporting him. | ||
| I'd rather have all this stuff out in the open and have everybody having this debate. | ||
| I agree with you entirely. | ||
| He has a massive support base and he is able to get to his support base, but that support base does not have reach. | ||
| So, it's a large number, it's a big volume of people, but they're very concentrated around each other. | ||
| So, their own little echo chamber. | ||
| It doesn't have reach into the establishment or to the news media or to any of the mainstream because they've managed to parcel it over to the far right and they've also managed, though, when we had the attack on a mosque Well, there was a guy that drove into some individuals outside the East London Mosque, well known for not necessarily being the most tolerant of places. | ||
| Just to be clear, that was the mosque that the Westminster attackers came from, right? | ||
| Correct, yes, I believe that's correct. | ||
| I believe that's correct, but I do know that had a reputation. | ||
| I'm not sure whether the Westminster attacker came from there. | ||
| There was a history of that mosque having issues in terms of its the extremism that it was alleged to have bred. But my | ||
| point is as soon as that attack happened, which was just one guy in a van that kind | ||
| of went a bit crazy, that became, that's Tommy Robinson that's to blame. And the | ||
| news agenda went straight to Tommy. I saw that that night on Twitter. Yeah, | ||
| which is very silencing actually because then even for his supporters, you don't | ||
| want to be affiliated with someone that's being said as being | ||
| responsible for that Clearly he had no responsibility for that, but that's what the media have created. | ||
| They have portrayed him in a dark place, and actually that is where you end up over on the far hard right. | ||
| Right, so apparently ideas and words do matter, but only depending on which way they come from. | ||
| Yeah, exactly right. | ||
| Which is a really bizarre Exactly right. | ||
| And I think so many – I wouldn't want to ever try and say I speak for Britain, but certainly for people that do maybe support what I say, I think our frustration is that we see so much hate enacted on our own girls, our children, people going to a concert, people going out for dinner, you know, a 12-inch hunting knife pushed through the face of a woman eating, you know, on London Bridge. | ||
| We're not supposed to talk about that or suggest that that's linked to religion, and we're certainly not supposed to report that. | ||
| And if we do, we're told that maybe we're being racist. | ||
| Whereas the encouragement, the support to report any kind of hate crime done by somebody, maybe like myself, something I've said, a tweet, is very, there's a lot of funding behind that kind of reporting. | ||
| So I'm glad you mentioned that, because one of the things that I've seen on Twitter, which I think is truly one of the most outrageous, ludicrous, insane things that I've seen on Twitter, has been a few times where, which is the local police Oh, so London is Met Police and Metropolitan Police come from me. | ||
| I'm not in their area. | ||
| So you've tweeted things, whatever it is that you've tweeted, and then they've requested that people report you and find other things that you've said and all this stuff for hate speech or whatever terms that they're using, even though, as you've said, I've done no violence, I'm not calling for violence. | ||
| And they're literally word police now. | ||
| Yes, so the word police are strong. | ||
| And just if I give maybe two or three examples. | ||
| So I suppose this sort of woman thing, mum, mum of three kids, married, regular house, quite like gardening, secret gardener on the side. | ||
| So there's this me and maybe my network of other fairly rubbish mums who aren't that good at it and fairly crap gardeners. | ||
| That's how I see myself with my network, right? | ||
| So then I write a column in a national newspaper, one of the papers I used to work for, and that column became the focus of the head of the UNHR, and he said that I was one of the causes of all of the issues against multiculturalism in the UK. | ||
| I was brought in under caution by the Major Crime and Homicide Command, interviewed by two people on a tape, and then that was taken to the CPS, the Crown Prosecution Service, to see if I would go up to be given jail time for a column | ||
| in a national paper. | ||
| I have been reported to social services for my children because people say my Twitter feed is so fierce | ||
| I must be hurting my children, so social services come just to check because they're obliged to and I respect that. | ||
| I've also been threatened. | ||
| I was called when I was in Australia. | ||
| I was going to be repatriated to the U.K. | ||
| because of a tweet where I called a nurse who'd come back with Ebola. | ||
| I called her an Ebola bomb. | ||
| And so, I was going to be repatriated to the U.K. | ||
| for that. | ||
| And I've had two further incidents of police in my home telling me I needed to be at the police station for tweets. | ||
| So, I am heavily policed and my liberty, I suppose, is under threat for the words that I type. | ||
| Who is policing the police? | ||
| I mean, so when I see that, or I see Tommy, he'll do these periscopes where he'll be kicked out of a bar, and he'll get the camera right in the policeman's face, and he'll say, oh, I didn't do anything, I was just at a bar, and someone hit me over the head with something, or someone's screaming at me, and they'll be like, no, no, no, you're, just by being here, you're upsetting people, or whatever it is. | ||
| The guy didn't break any law, as far as I can tell by anything that you just said, you didn't break any law. | ||
| I've seen similar things, I think, with Anne-Marie Waters. | ||
| I mean, just the collection of people, regardless of what you think of them, that, The law is being turned against them for nothing illegal. | ||
| I mean, is anyone policing the police? | ||
| Is this an issue that anyone's picking up? | ||
| Are any liberals talking about this? | ||
| No, but I think there is a growing movement. | ||
| I can feel it through my emails, through the people that get in touch with me, through some of the stuff that I do. | ||
| I even have people from inside the BBC and inside the Guardian newspaper, which is the big left-wing establishment newspaper. | ||
| I have some people inside there that email me now to tell me things because They respect what I'm trying to do, which is maybe just have other views heard or just illuminate some things that we have going on. | ||
| But I see that the way the police operate and in a way the way we fight back or the way that we police the police, I think, is by me using my platform to show what they're doing. | ||
| So Bedfordshire police have just invested a massive sum of money trying to get people to report Twitter feeds of people like me, basically, if you're from the right. | ||
| It's saying, don't cross the line. | ||
| Like, when will this person who's actually a Trump supporter cross the line? | ||
| So Bedfordshire Police, who've spent all this money on this, are actually rated the worst police force in the country. | ||
| They were reported as being unable to function as a police force. | ||
| So I then tweet that. | ||
| So they see that the amount they're investing on trying to police me and my Twitter feed | ||
| versus the fact that they are one of the worst performing police stations in the country. | ||
| And I think by adding, you're giving publicity to showing them to say, listen, why don't | ||
| you focus on your issues? | ||
| I think the same I had after a lot of the incidents and the violence in Manchester with | ||
| the bombing, I had some people from inside the police force email me to say that actually | ||
| the imams at the local mosque decide who the two police officers are that they will approve | ||
| to go and patrol that area. | ||
| And the imams are in control of the police officers. | ||
| Yes, so then I take that email with the permission of the sender, make it anonymous, and post that up. | ||
| And there were some things that came off the back of that. | ||
| So I see my job now as helping to expose why we have so many systemic level problems about the way our country is going. | ||
| And those sorts of things, when I'm told that the Imams are selecting the police officers who are Muslim police officers to be allowed to go near their areas, that's when I go into this. | ||
| But you know the thing we talked about with the pictures? | ||
| the different pieces of the puzzle that make a picture. | ||
| Once you find out your imams are picking your police for you that can police them at mosques, | ||
| you start to go down that route of wondering precisely what's going on. | ||
| Yeah, you know, I'm picturing one of my favorite movies, "Beef or Vendetta," which did take place in Britain. | ||
| You know, there's that moment when the police officer's putting it all together | ||
| and he just tells a story. | ||
| And he says to his sidekick, basically, he's like, this is going to sound crazy, but here's my theory. | ||
| And that's how I feel. | ||
| Like, I almost see the world, I guess, a little bit in pictures anyway, or I visualize things. | ||
| But that's how I feel. | ||
| I feel like I take my little piece of That's me at the camp at Calais. | ||
| Here I am in Libya and in the Med. | ||
| Here I am in Sweden in no-go zones. | ||
| Here I am with the guy telling me that the Imams picked the police that were allowed to police. | ||
| Here I am in the schools with the children with their Clinton mints. | ||
| And all of a sudden this thing starts to take the shape of something that I'm almost too scared of. | ||
| And I don't know, I can't stop now, I have to keep going I think. | ||
| But it's interesting the number of things where they're trying to take me down with police or with social services of my children or however which way they come for me. | ||
| Yeah, I sense though that they can't scare you. | ||
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I sense no wavering in you, I mean it seems pretty clear. | |
| I feel utterly fearless, and I don't mean that in a weird sort of, like the feminists yesterday, like, oh my god, my pussy is made of steel! | ||
| That is not how it's about to do a bad thing. | ||
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If there was a moment to put on a pussy hat, that would be it. | |
| I have no pussy hat, and I'm proud of that. | ||
| But I am definitely fearless, because I know, ultimately, the things that matter to me are my family, my children, my husband. | ||
| Don't tell him I said that. | ||
| And then being healthy. | ||
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Don't say that, my husband matters. | |
| I'm alpha female all the way. | ||
| And then being healthy-ish as we can be and happy, that's all that matters. | ||
| So that's it. | ||
| Now, outside of that are the things I care about which is my country and I will carry on. | ||
| You telling me truths, you emailing me about what's gone on your police station or inside the Guardian or inside the BBC or your Misrepresenting white people. | ||
| I will talk about that. | ||
| And you can't take anything away from me. | ||
| You may take away my job at the newspaper. | ||
| You may have just managed to get me kicked off my radio show. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| There will be another platform if enough people feel that I give them a voice. | ||
| And that's why I applaud what you do and what you guys are doing, because you are self-funded. | ||
| The people that want to hear you are paying for you. | ||
| And I love this idea that that will be the new truth, is that people will pay to be able to hear the truths that commissioners and TV commissioners and people that work in the media industry have tried to silence. | ||
| And this is the new evolution of the us. | ||
| And I think I will be doing a similar thing, hopefully, coming soon. | ||
| soon in the UK where perhaps the people that feel they're being silenced can help fund a space | ||
| where we will continue to speak and we will evolve over the viruses | ||
| and we are the new antibiotic that will say, no, we're gonna keep being heard. | ||
| And that feels powerful and makes me feel more fearless. | ||
| That was a nice ending to this interview, but I'm not done with you yet. | ||
| Oh. - I'm not done. | ||
| I'm gone. - That felt like the natural ending, but I'm not. | ||
| But you know what, to go off what you just said there, I think the most beautiful thing that I didn't realize for about a year when I went independent was that I get those same emails from you, from all over the place. | ||
| I get from Christian conservatives, and I get from progressives, and I get from far lefties, and I get from libertarians, or whatever, from all over the place, all over the world, atheists in Saudi Arabia, this whole freaking thing, and it's like, All these people support what I'm doing, and it's like, all I can do is do what I think is right. | ||
| When you have that kind of plurality of support, I can't eat, I've said this many times, but if I was to try to sell out tomorrow, I genuinely wouldn't know which way to sell. | ||
| Truly, I mean, that is really the truth. | ||
| So all I can do is what I think is right. | ||
| Yes, and I feel that. | ||
| And I feel that, therefore, the people that are funding what you're doing, they're not funding you to say a certain thing. | ||
| It's not that weird kind of funder-donor thing. | ||
| They're funding you just to have the platform. | ||
| And if they don't like what you said, they're also going to tell you that. | ||
| Or they can stop funding me. | ||
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That's OK too. | |
| They can also have the opportunity to stop Maybe you'll pick up another funder over there but what I love the idea is that these this bastion this institution the establishment that maybe could be linked to the Soros kind of program of mass movement people or may not be let's not go there but the idea that you will now move over the top of them and have your own platform that they cannot filter through you cannot have a commissioner who's a lefty that says no we don't need her talking | ||
| You've gone beyond that. | ||
| I think he's incredibly powerful, and I also think those people need you, and that's why you can't stop. | ||
| It becomes almost like a religion of itself. | ||
| No, I can't. | ||
| I know, I know. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But as I told you before we started, as of this interview, I'm taking basically... Vacation! | ||
| I'm gone until September 5th. | ||
| Hopefully the world doesn't... You'll miss it though now. | ||
| But then I kept thinking if the world ends, literally if it ends while I'm gone, am I gonna have to jump back on Twitter just for a second just to say goodbye? | ||
| No. | ||
| Just do the best thing you can do. | ||
| If the world is about to end, never be back on Twitter. | ||
| Don't even do the Rubin Report as much as I love it. | ||
| You know, let's all get a sense of ourselves. | ||
| Let's look in the sunset and let's remember the beautiful things that happened in your life. | ||
| Open up that one great bottle of wine. | ||
| Sounded like a right feminazi right there, didn't I? | ||
| You really did. | ||
| Let's talk for a second about any frustrations that you might have with your team. | ||
| Do you think the right, or do you think the Trump people, or the conservatives, or whatever you wanna call all that, are they doing anything wrong here? | ||
| Do you see any flaws in your side? | ||
| Is anything up that we should know about? | ||
| Of course, the right do so many things wrong, and I would never in any way think that my loyalty goes beyond anything they do wrong that I wouldn't call them out on it. | ||
| I think one thing we don't do enough of is just being very true about what we're celebrating, What we're actually celebrating, what we're actually all about, in my personal opinion, is freedom. | ||
| We're all about liberty. | ||
| We are the true, I think, libertarians. | ||
| We are the people that want small state, want you to choose what you do, be what you want to be, live how you want to live, do it, don't do it. | ||
| That's what I think we're all about. | ||
| And I don't think we get that message across clearly at all. | ||
| Conservatives always come across as the formal ones, the sensible ones, the ones that are about war, the ones that want to put more people in police stations, the ones that want to lock people up in I don't think that's the truth of us. | ||
| We've given ourselves this weird kind of outfit, this uniform of being terribly strict and terribly proper. | ||
| Actually, we're the dirtiest hookers on the block because we say live your life and we need to get more of that message across but we just want you to live it well Live it within the rules of law and order. | ||
| We want you to pay your taxes, be happy and have your family and be proud of them. | ||
| And that's the more positive, conservative message that I want to help spread. | ||
| That's what I think we need to do to make Britain great again as well. | ||
| And I think we need much less state in our life because wherever the state interferes, we typically fail. | ||
| And our National Health Service, if I could make another plea to America, would be please look carefully beyond the headlines at the UK National Health Service because it is falling on its Ask because it is the worst of all solutions. | ||
| Do not look to Western Europe, as I heard said last night, like some great kind of golden goose in the sky of what you want to become. | ||
| You don't want that. | ||
| You want private health insurance. | ||
| Health is not a right. | ||
| I think health is a good and the more we see it that way, the more we drive the free market to create the solution for us, the better we are. | ||
| All right, well, I think that was two good closing statements, but I'll give you an opportunity for one more. | ||
| So just surmising all this, and then I think you're gonna stick around for a quick rapid fire thing that we're doing for our patrons only. | ||
| What's next for you? | ||
| Is it just continuing this adventure? | ||
| So, I think – I wouldn't like to say that I'm massively strategic in my operations, but I also have a kind of cunning plan behind it. | ||
| So, inside is this engine of determination that I will not be taken down, that I will stand strong and that it matters. | ||
| That part is very clear. | ||
| You're not hiding that part. | ||
| That's the engine that drives it. | ||
| I think the way, the road I'm going down, so there is a book that will come out in September, Casey Hopkins' Rude, and I guess it is quite rude, which is like kind of the making of me and why I'm the way I am. | ||
| My father would say it's incredibly problematic. | ||
| I'm going to be doing a new programme which will be about linking funding to ensuring people have their voices heard. | ||
| That's coming out the back end of this year, which Let's all be into 2018 and we will bypass the establishment. | ||
| We will bypass the commissioners and we will bypass all the left wing that seem to want to narrate how England is, which I'm not having any more of. | ||
| And then into next year, I think doing more of the same, but trying to stand for something, trying to build some kind of way of taking a new conservative force forward that is about living life positively, about a small state and about bringing Britain back to what we thought was great. | ||
| In a really positive way. | ||
| We do embrace multiculturalism, but we do it well. | ||
| Where we do have schools that function and allow people to leave when, frankly, they don't need educating anymore. | ||
| And where we do say that you are going to take responsibility and accountability yourself, but we'll support you in it. | ||
| That's kind of my path. | ||
| And I'm kind of excited at all times about it. | ||
| So let's go. | ||
| But I would say to anybody, my detractors that created me is that we will keep evolving. | ||
| We will keep being better and we will keep being heard and you will not silence us. | ||
| That's three endings now. | ||
| How many more does a man need? | ||
| That's it! | ||
| I will not ask you for any more. | ||
| It was a pleasure talking to you and I think more than anything else because of the fact that I see what people say about you and all those things and I've had this a few times on the show where I have invite guests on that people say horrible things and then you sit across from somebody for an hour and unless you're the charlatan of all time I see a pretty decent person there trying to do some good. | ||
| Thank you, that's kind. | ||
| It was a pleasure talking to you and for more on Katie, follow her on the Twitter for all her adventures and for the police, which one is it again? | ||
| Oh, for Bedfordshire Police and what they're up to. | ||
| Yeah, they're constantly watching her. |
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