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May 23, 2017 - Rubin Report - Dave Rubin
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All right guys, we are live on the YouTube today.
I haven't done a live stream in a couple weeks.
Last one was with Jordan Peterson.
I think that was about two, three weeks ago.
So I just wanted to do a check-in.
I wanted to do a little Ask Me Anything.
I wanted to catch you guys up on a couple interesting things going on with the show and with my world and all that.
I just had a really, really enjoyable conversation.
I'm here with Antonia Okafor.
If you don't know her, she's a big Second Amendment advocate.
She's a campus carry advocate.
And we had a really interesting discussion about what it's like to be a female black conservative from Texas and about guns and about abortion and all kinds of stuff.
That should be up in about a week or so.
Later today, I'm interviewing Rabbi David Wolpe, who is the rabbi at Sinai Temple here in Los Angeles.
Existential stuff and meaning of life and all kinds of other interesting things.
But I did want to give a chance for you guys to do a little Ask Me Anything, because we haven't done one of these in a while.
So we did post this on Patreon.
So if you are a patron, patronage has its rewards and you will get first access to the questions.
So I know people have already started to ask some questions right there.
And then because, you know, the YouTube comment section is just madness, especially during live streams.
Love all of you.
God bless you.
We are enabling super chat right now.
So, you know, if you throw in a couple of bucks, it bumps the chat up and I'm able to see it.
My guys send it to me on my trusty iPad right here.
And we'll talk about anything.
It doesn't have to be just politics.
Obviously, there's a lot going on at the moment between Trump's travels to Saudi Arabia and to Israel, everything that happened in Manchester yesterday, which I'm going to spend a bunch of time on shortly, and then just general other craziness.
So first, I wanna talk a little bit about what happened in Manchester.
Now, obviously, this is unfolding at the moment, and what I found yesterday, you know, I think I'm finding this more and more, and I'm probably not the only one, that being on social media, and especially Twitter, because that's where you're just getting this endless feed of information, so it's a little bit different than Facebook, where the feed isn't as uncontrolled, you know, by time, and there's an algorithm that's putting stuff in your feed and all that, Twitter, this endless stream of this is half-truths, not-truths, fake news, this is true, this is retracted by a reputable news organization, this is a news organization nobody's ever heard of but everybody's retweeting, all of this like breaking need for all of us to get in on the story.
And by the way, I succumb to that myself sometimes.
I really, really tried not to yesterday.
It's just making so much noise.
And then the immediate people that start fighting about things and start attacking each other and all of this craziness, it doesn't really help for any of the real conversation, which, as you guys know, is what I've been trying to do around here.
So I want to just catch you up on a couple A couple points, we bulleted out some points that we know basically about Manchester right now, so if you're watching this and you're watching the news and you can't really figure out what's going on or you're reading news sources that you're not really sure are right, this is what we know to be true right now.
Most of this is from the BBC, but Amir compiled a bunch of things for me.
And again, we'll talk about it for a little bit and then we'll do some Q&A and a bunch of other stuff.
As you all know at this point, what happened yesterday was at the Ariana Grande concert
in Manchester and there was a terrorist attack.
At the moment, it looks like 22 people have been killed and it injured at least 59 people.
There's 12 of the 16 that are among the injured, oh no, I'm sorry, 12 under the age of 16
are among the injured.
So this was really to attack an Ariana Grande concert.
I mean, this is a place where young kids, a lot of young girls go maybe with their parents for the first time that they're going to a concert or something.
I mean, this was a direct attack on young people, which does in a weird way make it worse.
Only three of the victims have been identified at this point.
The youngest one so far is eight years old.
Eight years old.
Just try to take that in for just a second.
There's a lot of people that are missing and unaccounted for.
Police have named Salman Abadi as the suspected suicide bomber.
So there's some questions as to whether it was a suicide bomb or some other bomb that he placed.
I think they're going to try to work that out, but that seems like they're going with suicide bomber alone.
It sounds like there may have been nails placed in the bomb, which has been done in other cases of suicide bombing.
He's Manchester born and from Libyan origin.
They do believe he blew himself up in the foyer there at about 11.30 PM as people were leaving the concert.
So that leads you to believe that there was definitely some sort of premeditated,
I want to kill as many people as possible.
I'll skip some of this.
There's also another 23-year-old man in South Manchester who's been arrested, possibly confirmed.
And if this is a terrorist attack, which all evidence points to it being, it would be the worst terrorist attack in the UK since 52 people were killed in the London bombings, which were in July of 2005.
And on the positive note, because there is some positivity around this, Because I think the human spirit actually is quite good and wants to do good.
Manchester itself, I mean, there has been a ton of outpouring.
The blood banks are beyond full, quote, full to the rafters.
There's about 200 taxi drivers out there that I think have been waving fares and letting people, they're driving people and driving food and victims and water all around the city.
So the city is coming together itself.
So that's basically the what do we know at this point.
And the reason I wanted to do it that way is because if you're feeling that you're having trouble deciphering what is sort of real in the news these days, I'm feeling the same thing.
And I don't think social media is helping in this regard.
And as I said before, I sometimes get lost in that too.
And sometimes you jump the gun or whatever.
I'm gonna do my best not to do that with this or with anything else in the future.
I tweeted out a couple of things this morning that were more sort of broad philosophical takes on it, not the specifics of it.
All right, so let's knock out some questions.
I'll start with Patreon.
What is the appropriate classical liberal response to terrorism?
I mean, this is a great question.
It's a good meaty one for me to start off here.
I don't know that every political ideology, if you were gonna look at progressives, classical liberals, conservatives, libertarians, that I don't think they all sort of have this definitive definition of how do you fight terrorism.
But liberalism, which is based in logic and reason, classical liberalism, I say this all the time, but Google what it is, okay?
Read a little John Stuart Mill.
It's based in logic and reason.
So the most important, thing that you could do in any response is to understand
what the threat is.
Now, this is what people like, assuming we're talking about this being a radical Islamic
attack, which it seems like it is.
This is what people like Sam Harris and Majid Nawaz and Bill Maher and Ayaan Hirsi Ali and
many others and Brigitte Gabriel, who's just sitting here.
This is what these people have been talking about, that we have to understand what the
Not because of bigotry or because of racism or a rush to judgment or for some easy answer, but we have to actually understand what is the doctrine that these people are following to get into the afterlife.
Where they view that world as better than this world.
What causes people to do this?
Are there geopolitical reasons that people get involved also?
Is it because of poverty and all of these things?
I think you know most of my feelings on this stuff.
And there's most evidence to say that this is a religious thing.
I mean, you only have to read ISIS's magazine.
they've got a magazine, to know that there's a religious underpinning.
They tell you why they're doing this.
We often find that the people that commit the suicide bombings and other terrorist attacks,
that they aren't poor or in poverty and all kinds of other things.
The 9/11 hijackers, for example, were not.
So the best classical liberal response would be to have an honest discussion about the issues.
Now, this is something that we do terribly here.
It's something that I try to do in this room.
But, you know, if you look at the election, you had Hillary Clinton who refused to really say the phrase radical Islamic terror or whatever phrase you wanted her to say about it.
She just kind of refused to.
And then Trump, who was more than happy to say it.
Now, oddly, In the last couple of days in Saudi Arabia, he backed off that phrase a little bit.
I thought his speech there was actually pretty good, and I'm happy to talk about that a little bit.
But my point is that we had these sort of two polarizing things.
One wouldn't address the problem for fear of being called a bigot or racist or whatever it was, or because of just pure pandering or oppression Olympics nonsense.
And the other one that was going to give you the sort of neat, easy answer on this.
So we've got to have an honest discussion about why people are doing this.
How do we defend ourselves?
How do we, not by invading countries, but how do we have better law enforcement?
How do we have better, you know, services that can either figure out what the threats are or figure out how to stop them when they're coming?
All of those things.
So the classical liberal response would be one based in logic and reason that wouldn't be compromised by political correctness or by just By red meat slogans.
Now, unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be a real middle ground that we operate in much in politically or in the media these days, but I do believe, and I know it by the numbers of people that are watching this and that contact me and that I've sort of created allies with lately, that there is some good movement in this, and getting logic and reason to work is good.
All right.
Ch-ch-ch.
This is on Super Chat.
Where is the Million Peaceful Muslim March Against Terror?
Look, that's a good question.
Now, if you were to ask Brigitte Gabriel, who I had here, or Ayaan Hirsi Ali, or even Yasmin Mohammed, all wonderful women who I've had here over the last couple of weeks, I think they would argue that, unfortunately, the mainstream Muslim groups like CAIR, the Council for American Islamic They're actively not working to do these things.
They're actually trying to obfuscate and not let people understand that this has some connection to the doctrines of Islam and all that other stuff.
So where is that march?
I would love to see that march.
I would be a participant at that march if I was welcome there.
we need more voices to step up.
And that's also what we need just from the average person that's watching this.
If you're afraid, I say this all the time, but I think it's as true as anything I can possibly say.
If you yourself right now in 2017 are afraid of saying something that you believe to be true,
that you believe to be a problem, whatever it is, I don't have to just talk about terrorism,
whatever you think is true on this earth right now, if you're afraid to say it now
because of what someone might say to you or what they might call to you
or that you might lose your job or some other, whatever it is, or someone's gonna defriend you on Facebook
or block you on Twitter, what do you think it's going to be like in 2020?
What's it gonna be like in eight years if we slowly let this chip away?
It will not be good.
And that's why I think the free speech thing is the nexus of all of this stuff.
I've come to a place where I really don't care what most of your political beliefs are if we can agree on the free speech thing.
If we can start there, The free speech thing, which is the piece of a pluralistic democratic society that we want, and that we have still, hopefully for a little longer, that if we have that, then we can, you think this about taxes, you think this about abortion, you think this about death penalty.
All right, that's great.
That's what the great debate in a free society is all about.
But if we don't have that free speech underpinning, then we really have nothing.
So I would love to see a million Muslim march or, you know, a lot of these things end up, they get sort of curtailed by interest groups and the message gets muddled and all that.
I think generally though, what I would like to see is that I would like to see people on the left not immediately to make this about somehow that we're gonna offend Muslims by talking about this stuff.
I personally didn't see anyone on Twitter saying all Muslims yesterday.
But we have to be able to talk about a doctrine that would lead people to this.
Otherwise, what do you do?
You're literally...
Not literally.
Figuratively, you're throwing an 8-year-old girl who is dead, who went to a concert, a kid's concert, basically a kid's concert, she's dead, and you're throwing her memory under the bus by not addressing what actually was the problem.
You're throwing the dead people at Pulse nightclub in Orlando, the 30-some-odd gay people, Or friends of gay people who are dead.
You're throwing them under the bus.
You're throwing the women who got raped in Cologne last year after New Year's.
You're throwing them under the bus.
So when we talk about the Oppression Olympics, this is what we're talking about.
That if you're putting these groups on top of each other, well then you're always going to be pushing them down and you're going to be doing horrible things against women, against gays, against virtually all minorities.
In the name of an ideology, in this case, that would not be very fond of you as a progressive.
Okay.
Have you seen the hate that Tommy Robinson is getting crazy?
Yeah, I saw Tommy tweeting last night and he was getting a ton of hate.
He retweets it and he fights with people and things like that.
Look, I mentioned in my DM that I shot this morning, which will be up tomorrow, this sort of guilt by association concept, you know, that I get hate because I've talked to Milo and Paul Joseph Watson and Mike Cernovich and Tommy Robinson.
And this guilt by association thing is dangerous.
It's another silencing technique.
They use these words, bigot, racist, all that.
That silences people.
But then also that's not enough for these people that don't want us to have conversations.
Then they also want to make sure you're not gonna have a conversation with someone else
'cause we're gonna tar and feather them too.
I'm not going to play by those rules.
I'm going to do what I consistently think is right and talk to people that I think are interesting and enlightening and worth talking to, regardless of that.
I mean, you know, Colin Moriarty, who is on my show and who is dealing with some of this stuff, You know, he said, you cannot give them an inch and you cannot give these people an inch.
They will silence us all.
And once they go, all right, we have this whole group.
Well, they're not going to talk about this.
Well, guess what?
They know now they've got you by the balls and they're going to go to move it on to something else that we're not allowed to talk about.
Even, you know, this is a sort of ancillary metaphor for this, or analogy, but you know, Bret Stephens, who was a conservative writer at the Wall Street Journal, got hired at the New York Times, and his first piece, I believe, was about being skeptic of, being skeptic in general of politics, had a bit to do with climate change.
He did not deny climate change, but the outrage machine Of the left, the so-called tolerant left.
Tolerant New York, elite New York Times liberals went after him, demanding he be fired.
And people were, I mean, people were writing horrible things to me.
I mean, verified people and journalists on Twitter telling him to go fuck himself and all this stuff.
And what I thought was interesting was, A, he wasn't denying climate change.
He was just saying be skeptical in general, which I think Albert Einstein, if he was here today, would say be skeptical of everything.
But that sort of intolerance, what it's saying is, all right, well, if we can get you, let's say we're gonna get you and you're never gonna talk about your legitimate fears about Islamic extremism.
Well, then we're gonna get you and you're not gonna be able to talk about climate change.
And then we'll get you, you won't be able to talk about abortion if you're pro-life.
And et cetera, et cetera, you will keep going.
So we gotta pull some of this shit back.
And...
I think we're making some headway here, but we have a big fight to follow.
If you're just jumping in, we're doing the Super Chat thing, and I'm taking questions on Patreon, and we're talking about Manchester.
We could talk a little bit about Trump and Saudi Arabia, but that picture of him with King Salman and Sisi from Egypt and Trump with their hands on that orb, I mean, this is weird stuff.
Like, I saw that picture, I was like, that's got to be Photoshopped.
Then you scroll for a second, you go, my God.
This is real.
It looked like the orb at the end of, that boss Nas is holding at the end of Phantom Menace.
You didn't think I was going to get through a live stream without the Star Wars reference, did you?
Not a patron.
One day I will.
What is the best solution to Islamic terror?
I think siding with moderate Muslims who want a reformer hub.
Well, look, this is the battle that I think is happening within the Muslim community.
I think it's happening within the skeptic community and the atheist community.
And for people that care, for Muslim people who care about secular values and who care about minorities, this is the conversation that everybody should be having.
I think in general there's two lines of thinking here.
So there's the line of thinking of someone like Majid Nawaz, who I consider a friend and I think he's a very good human being and he runs Quilliam in the UK, and they're trying to reform Islam from the inside.
So he believes And this is a former Islamist, by the way, who spent time in an Egyptian jail.
He believes that reforming Islam from the inside, using liberalism, I mean, I think he describes himself as a classical liberal, that using the ideas of live and let live liberalism is what could reform Islam, and that's how you do it.
Now, I've had many discussions with people that don't think that's the right way.
Although they're, in many cases, friends with Majid.
But my friend Faisal, who's been on the show many times, and Sarah Hader, and Yasmin Mohamed, and Ali Rizvi.
Ali, I suppose, a little bit less.
I don't want to speak for everybody.
But the idea being that you have to actually leave the religion.
That a reformation is not possible.
So I don't know exactly what the answer is.
What I know is I will gladly ally with people that will talk about a very difficult topic.
And you know, I've seen a little infighting now within the ex-Muslim community and the reformer community.
And it's sort of, sometimes I see it and it's kind of disappointing because I'm like, you know, guys, we're really all on the same team here.
And if you want Western values and you want liberalism, then we shouldn't be all fighting.
But another way, the infighting actually shows that the movement has grown to a point where they can start fighting with each other.
And I think that that actually, that internal debate Which maybe isn't for me to be part of.
That internal debate, I think, is good for them.
So I think that's good.
Let's see.
Trump said the fight is good versus evil, not religious.
Would you get Robbie Zacharias on your show to discuss it?
I think he phrases it better than anyone.
Yeah, you know, he's been on our master list.
I don't know if we've reached out, but I'll make sure that we do do that for sure.
Let's see.
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On Super Chat, as a... Manc.
I'm not sure what that means.
I appreciate the support of the foreign commu... Oh!
Oh, as someone in Manchester, I think.
No, maybe I'm not.
As a Manc, I appreciate the support of the foreign community, but in the Philippines, an entire city, Marawi, has been taken by ISIS.
Why is this being ignored by the media?
I'm not sure if that's a typo or I'm just not sure what Manc is.
Well, I haven't heard this story, which I guess proves your point.
An entire city in the Philippines has been taken by ISIS.
I haven't heard that.
And then again, this goes to show that our media is just not doing a great job.
Our mainstream media, They're running all day with Trump-Russia stories, and you're getting very little else.
Now, they did, of course, cut over to Manchester yesterday, and I suspect if you turn on all three cable news, you'll get them today.
But that's an old-school way of getting the news.
And as always, in a world of the internet, don't only get your news from me.
I don't consider myself a newsman.
I certainly hope that you don't.
Get your only information from me.
I'm trying to bring you the facts as honestly as I can, but it's sort of the burden now is on you to get news however you can.
So I would say to you, the answer to this is start tweeting about it.
You probably are already, but post about it on Facebook.
Get people to know about it.
Tweet an article about this and tag me and I'll retweet you and hopefully we can get some eyeballs on this.
But yeah, the media, they don't want They gotta get ratings, they gotta get clicks.
And I guess talking about Trump's stake or whether Ivanka slapped his hand away, which it looks like she did on the tarmac in Israel.
He kind of put his hand back and she kind of batted it away.
And that's good for gifts and getting people all jazzed up and all that stuff when seriously bad shit's going on.
So it's tough for sure.
On Super Chat, when are you going to run for office?
Oh Lord, people.
I have several people that I've had on this show that I think would be much better equipped.
I just don't know that I would want to be part of that monster.
I think I would actually love debating, publicly debating.
I think I would love some of the stuff on being inside the political system and really negotiating of how can we do this and how can we do that and how do we Actually make things better and can we talk to people across the aisle and all that?
The idea of going through the monster, I don't think it's for me.
I think I've, out of the goodwill from you guys and from having some interesting conversations, I think I've been able to build something nice here that I want to kind of see where we can get this.
But I would never say never.
But I did have Ben Shapiro here and I think he said he would consider running one day.
So that would be something.
Let's see here.
Oh, this is good.
This is on Patreon.
Did you see Katie Hopkins, who's a UK author and radio host, got reported to police for responding to the attack saying we need a quote final solution.
She deleted it after, but she called for a true solution in the correction.
Um, so, uh, I did see some of the like, you know, the people screaming about that.
Uh, well, look, using the phrase final solution was probably extremely poorly worded, poorly thought out or whatever.
She is a bit of a flamethrower, sort of in the Milo, uh, vein of things.
So it is possible she was intentionally saying that, but I don't, it doesn't really stand the logic jump there that she would be I'm making some sort of analogy there.
I don't really quite see it.
So she may have just wrote something stupid.
She may have just wrote something stupid.
She may have been being a little cheeky.
I did an event at University of Texas at Austin with my friend Faisal Syed Al Muttar a couple weeks ago, and he said something, and it ended with him saying, final solution, which then we turned into a joke.
So, but yes, being reported, we've seen this consistently now.
And even I just tweeted out something this morning that, what is it, the UK something or other, they want people to start reporting more hate speech.
So not just direct calls to violence, which everyone is against, that's a legitimate crime if you're calling to harm or hurt or kill somebody.
But this hate speech thing, I mean, they're gonna just keep expanding and expanding and expanding what hate speech is.
And then at the same time, they're going to keep deplatforming and silencing other voices that give you a counter-narrative until the only thing that will be accepted is the groupthink of the far left.
So that's why we have to be very wary of this thing.
Let's see.
Why are the coasts mostly liberal and middle America mostly conservative?
I'm sure people have done some interesting research on this.
My gut feeling on this always is that on the coast you have big cities, like really big cities.
So you've got New York, you've got Los Angeles, you've got Miami, you've got San Francisco, and obviously there's plenty of others.
But that these cities are where people from all over the place kind of gravitate.
So in essence, they have a live and let live.
If you're going to the big place where you're going to meet all kinds of people that are different, than who you may have met in the middle of the country
or some other country or whatever, that everyone gravitates to this live and let live place.
And that's the best of America.
Then I think what happens is the powers that be in these places,
which are usually liberal to progressive, left somewhere in that thing, though not always,
they then take that interesting, rich, diverse mix of people,
and then they use a lot of state power.
'Cause you got so many people, although I've talked about this before,
you got so many people in New York City living on top of each other from every part of the world,
and nobody's killing each other, really.
I mean, people, yes, there are murders in New York, but everyone lives, you go on a subway and you see everyone from everywhere, and guess what?
They're not killing each other.
But then what ends up happening is you need more laws, or at least this would be the argument, that you would need more laws because you have more people with different customs and traditions and whatever.
So then the state seems to get bigger always in small cities, while in a more rural place, you can have less involvement of the state, which generally falls in line with some conservative values.
As for the values thing, I guess also, if you were talking about something like gay marriage, for example, Well, if you move to a city, when generally in big cities, gay people move there for more diversity, that then you may become more tolerant of an alternative lifestyle choice, I hate that phrase, rather than if you were in the middle of the country, where if you weren't around a lot of gay people, it doesn't mean you're a bigot, it just may not mean anything to you.
So I think that's interesting.
Okay, super chat.
What do you make of Trump's arm deal with the Saudis?
Is there some strategy behind it?
So first, I'll answer the second part first.
Yes, I think there's some strategy.
This idea that the media keeps pushing that Trump is either some sort of idiot or has no idea what he's doing or whatever, it's just stupid.
If he won the president, See, without knowing what he was doing and was just making all these things up as they happen and all that, then what does that say about Clinton?
What does that say about the Democrats?
All that.
I don't think much of Clinton or the Democrats, but I just think it's crazy.
Like, there obviously was a plan in place.
Did Trump write the plan?
Was he the architect of the plan?
Was it Bannon?
Was it Kushner?
Was it Priyavis?
I don't know.
I don't know.
But there is obviously some sort of plan.
So what do I make of, look, the Saudi-American alliance is insane at many, many levels.
Women in Saudi Arabia cannot drive.
Women in Saudi Arabia cannot vote.
There are, depending on the Full influence of the law.
They can't go out without a male guardian.
Series of other things.
They throw gay people off the roof.
They have public canings and beheadings and all sorts of terrible stuff.
Their Sunni Wahhabi schools that they're preaching at there are the people that then go off to be ISIS fighters.
They then pay.
They're paying to build mosques in Germany and the UK and France and a whole bunch of other countries where they're exporting a lot of this ideology.
So in and of itself, the alliance that we have with them is obviously about oil more than anything else.
It's about oil and that right now the Saudis really hate Iran.
Trump doesn't like Iran.
It's very questionable to me what the deal is with the Iranian regime.
By the way, everyone's going crazy about how they had free elections.
You know, a couple days ago or yesterday.
It's like, I would temper that down just a bit.
But look, we fund them with a lot of military equipment.
They've been in this war that nobody's hearing about in Yemen and a ton of people, thousands and thousands of people have been killed.
Now, if that had been, if that war in the Middle East had obviously involved Israel and or the Palestinians or whatever else, you'd be hearing about it every day, nonstop.
For some reason, the Saudis can do stuff and we don't hear about it.
They obviously have a lot of money.
The Saudi Prince owns what, 45% of Twitter or something?
So the relationship is extremely complex.
I don't really understand it.
And I guess you could make a great argument.
Forget it.
Look, we have plenty of oil here anyway.
We export more than we take, I think.
But if this is really about oil, then we are in some respects selling our souls
and selling liberalism and feminism and pro-LGBT stuff.
We're selling it for oil with the nature of this relationship.
All of that said, I thought that Trump's speech actually was pretty good.
Now, again, it's just a speech, so it doesn't mean anything's gonna happen.
But, you know, Obama, before he became president, gave that big Cairo speech, and he sort of apologized for the way America's been, and it sort of, I think, set the world off on the wrong foot.
Related to foreign policy and what we were going to be or not be.
And Trump, it seems to me, is trying to reset that.
And he made some interesting statements.
He didn't attack religion.
He made a point of saying, if you care about young Muslim people and children, he talked about that these non... I thought this was really interesting.
So he's talked about non, I think he said non-state actors that are holding a lot of these people
and countries hostage.
And he mentioned Hamas and Hezbollah.
Those are non-state actors that have taken root that how can you negotiate with them, right?
So the people of Lebanon would, a lot of them actually do like Hezbollah,
but I assume a lot of them would rather be, have free democracy and all that.
So anyway, I thought he said some hard truths.
It didn't strike me as a bigoted or racist speech.
Again, it's just a speech.
We don't know what will happen.
But it did seem like a lot of opportunity was there.
It seemed like the Saudis were listening.
It seemed like yesterday that when he talked to Netanyahu, it seemed like the Israelis were listening.
He talked to Abbas, I think today, so I haven't seen it yet, but hopefully Abbas was listening, and maybe there is a chance.
I don't believe in some grand peace deal that we can all then live in Shangri-La on this earth.
I don't think it's the nature of man to live in some static thing of peace, but maybe there are ways to make things a little more peaceful.
Maybe, maybe, we'll see.
Let's see.
So a lot of you are asking me, basically, what can we do about the discussion about Islam?
And I think I've made myself clear.
I mean, it has to be that, watch my interview with Yasmin Mohammed from a couple weeks ago, where she talks about how do you fight this?
You fight this with liberalism.
These are the ideas we believe.
Live and let live, but that means you have to respect people.
Let live.
That these concepts are the only thing that can fight it.
So a couple people in Patreon asking, do I think that Saudi Arabia is a partner against Islamic terrorism?
I mean, not really.
Not really.
They're funding a lot of this stuff.
So it's really hard to understand exactly what's going on there.
And by the way, I'm not...
Egotistical enough to think I know everything about it.
I don't even think the government allows the most intimate reporter to know everything about all the machinations of the discussions and all of that.
So there could be things going on that we don't know.
Would you ever get Milo back?
Well, I'm a little annoyed at Milo.
Milo, if you're watching this, Milo was supposed to be on last week and texted that morning, if I'm not mistaken.
I think it was that morning, yeah.
To say that he couldn't make it.
So Milo, What's up, Milo?
Yes, I'd be happy to talk to Milo again.
There's obviously a lot of stuff to talk about, a lot of controversial stuff and maybe some non-controversial stuff.
And yes, we will get him back.
Oh, this is interesting.
What will Ariana do, meaning Ariana Grande, what should she do?
She has a chance to change minds for the better, to get red-pilled, so to speak, and to red-pill her audience.
So basically, the phrase red-pill in this context, meaning like, really understand what's happening here, not pretending that there's no problem with radical Islam, not pretending that this intersectional oppression, Olympic bullshit nonsense, leftism ideology, this postmodern drivel and all of this stuff, not to pretend that it works, That she now, as a young person, that now just experienced something that is beyond horrific, that she could then take the mantle and start having a hard discussion about this, because it's obviously going to be incredibly personal to her and something that's going to scar and affect her for the rest of her life.
That would be fascinating if she did step into that role a little bit.
I guess we shall see.
When the dust settles a little bit, maybe we can try to get her on the show, and I'd be happy to talk about that.
Dave, why are you being so positive about Trump's visit to Saudi Arabia?
It's such a hypocritical move to think he's gonna help from a top human rights violator.
Listen, nothing I'm saying is in defense of Saudi Arabia at all.
Saudi Arabia, as I said, all the things that they're doing to women, all the things they're doing to gay people, virtually no religious minorities live in Saudi Arabia anymore.
They do have roads in Saudi Arabia that are only for Muslim people.
Google it if you don't believe me.
So nothing, and again I said they're exporting all of this Wahhabist craziness into mosques in part of Europe.
The simple fact is that for whatever reason, and obviously it mostly has to do with oil, for whatever reason we are allies with these people.
So I don't know, would the better of choice have been Trump to either not have gone on the trip or just ripped up all of our agreements with them?
I don't know.
Maybe you can, maybe he can move them a little bit in this regard.
I also think that the threat of terror as it's been spreading is changing things because everyone's starting to realize we either can be for civil, you know, Western, not even Western civilization, we're going to be for civil society or not.
So maybe the Saudis are realizing, for all we know, Trump went there and privately said to them, you know, This is over, guys.
You're not gonna fund any of this bullshit anymore, or we are gonna do something.
I just don't know.
So I don't think I'm being overly positive.
I'm just trying to be somewhat realistic.
But if you think I'm wrong there, I fully respect that.
I really do.
Let's see.
All right, let me jump back into Super Chat.
Sorry about all that.
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Oh, has, uh, has "Gift a Gun" happened yet?
If not, how do we get Crowder to go through with it?
Also, your thoughts on gun control and the NRA, please.
So Gift a Gun, Crowder was going to gift me a gun, Steven Crowder.
We just sort of fell off the map.
Both of us have been crazy.
You know, he moved studios just as I was building my studio, and we just kind of got nutty.
But 100% I'm down to do it.
I think it would be a fascinating thing.
He did try one day, and I just couldn't do it that one day.
We're trying to figure out some of the logistics.
But remind him!
Remind him on the Twitter.
Text him or whatever and tweet at him.
I'm really happy to do it.
As for my thoughts on guns, I just had, an hour ago, Antonia Okafor here, who's a really fascinating young woman.
She runs an organization called Empowered, which is about empowering young women on college campuses.
To have conceal and carry on college campuses and be able to defend themselves.
I've evolved a bit on guns.
I'm a little more pro-gun than I probably was two years ago.
I think that we have a serious mental health problem that we have to deal with.
We have to deal with the ideological roots of why people kill people, whether you're killing in the name of radical Islam or whether you're killing in the name of white supremacy or for any other reason, disgruntled worker or whatever else.
We have to have all those conversations.
But I'll explain a lot.
If you watch the interview with Antonio, which should be up, I believe it's next week or might be the week after, there's a lot of gun discussion.
We did at least a half of that.
I'm super excited.
I'm a proud Mancunian.
The spread of misinformation on social media made me truly understand the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
When are you visiting the UK so I can buy you a drink?
I will gladly take a pint from you next time I'm in the UK.
I've had a couple of speaking offers at a couple of different schools in London, so we're trying to figure it out right now.
I've got a whole bunch of travel coming up, which we're gonna put a site on, on reubenreport.com, by the way, so you guys will be able to see where I am.
In advance.
In two weeks, it's not a public event, or it's not at a school, but I think it's a public event.
If you can still buy tickets.
I'll be in Pittsburgh at OCON, which is through the Ayn Rand Institute.
I'll be there with Fleming Rose, who's been on the show, and a couple other people.
Steve Simpson, who I've been traveling around with, doing some free speech stuff.
And we'll be talking about free speech and a whole bunch of other things.
I'll be doing a panel and I think some other one-on-one stuff.
and moderating something with the audience.
And it's just an interesting, cool group of people.
That's in Pittsburgh.
I think I'm there on June 14th, but you can, Ocon it's called, find it and look.
All right, let's see what else here.
Do you have any plans to do anything on Turkey and how Erdogan is heavily influencing
both the East and West?
Yeah, you know what, if you can think of a really good reporter who knows a lot about Turkey, give me somebody.
I have a couple people in mind on this that we've reached out to.
You know, I've talked to people from the Kurdish regional government, Bayan Rami Abdulrahman, who I've had on.
is from the Kurdish regional government.
I think she's the US rep to the Kurdish regional government.
We talked about a lot of ISIS and Turkey and Syria.
We talked about that from a Kurdish perspective, but I would like to do more on Turkey.
You know, Turkey's sort of at the, everyone uses Turkey as, well, this is what a modern Muslim nation can look like.
And they usually say that meaning on the positive side.
Now, Turkey, after Ataturk and there was a ton of spread of freedom and getting away from religion And all that stuff.
And it was a really secular society.
It's being rolled back right now.
And we know that he's firing and imprisoning professors and all sorts of free-thinking people.
And it's not going to be good for the Kurds, certainly.
It's not going to be good for any other religious minorities that are there.
And you know, he's also said some crazy things, Erdogan, about that if you don't, You know, if the EU doesn't bend to some of Turkey's demands related to certain things, that they're gonna flood the EU with refugees.
We know that they let people from Syria come through Turkey and then go into Europe.
We know that ISIS fighters from Europe do go through Turkey and end up in Syria.
It's a big mess.
He's been terrible for democracy.
And it's, again, it's one of those relations with this giant country that is, it's sort of like Saudi Arabia in certain respects.
It's extremely complex and it's hard to know what are we really getting out of it, I don't know.
All right, let's see.
Please look into having Michael Malice on.
He's on Joe Rogan today, any minute now, and he would make a great guest for your show.
I don't know who he is, but usually I find that Rogan always does a hell of a job, so I absolutely will look into him.
Dave, do you think that a democratic pluralist society which tends toward moral relativism can contend with the moral conviction and absolutism of Islam?
So that's really an interesting question.
So the idea that of a pluralistic society that has people from all walks of life and different religions and different sexualities and different colors and ethnicities and all that stuff and nationalities, that that mix That post-modern mix of multicultural stew that used to be a melting pot, meaning that the concept of a melting pot is uniquely American, meaning that you come here from wherever you are and you bring your traditions, whether they're Italian or Irish or Jewish or whatever they are, and you bring those traditions here, but you become a greater piece of the American fabric, so to speak, right?
We're bigger than the sum of our parts.
That's an American thing.
Unfortunately, the left and this intersectional nonsense is creating a situation where integration, they're making it harder for people to integrate.
That if you have a certain haircut, you're now culturally appropriating somebody.
So the question really is, can that withstand the, I want to get it right, because it was good, the absolutism.
This is the great fight of our time.
This is the great fight of this generation, is that it's not just that absolutism, it's the absolutism of any ideology, any totalitarian ideology that would come in.
And that's ironically why The left is so in bed with Islam because they're both totalitarian ideologies and they're using each other.
The Islamists and the Linda Sarsour's of the world are using the well-meaning feminists and the well-meaning gay people to further their agenda.
That's why the only solution to this, as I said earlier, is classical liberalism.
It's rooted in the individual.
Stop judging us all by groups.
Pretty sure that Martin Luther King guy didn't want us to be judged by the color of our skin, and it had something to do with the content of our character.
That's what can save us.
By the way, if you're looking at my hands, and they look a little blue, I got new jeans a couple weeks ago, and they're turning my hands blue, and I don't know what to do about it, but I've been walking around with blue hands for about three weeks, and I assume it'll stop at some point, but fear not, I'm not suffering from I'm not suffering from, this is hilarious.
Phil DeFranco says on Super Chat, love you Dave, what's your favorite thing about Phil DeFranco?
He seems super cool and handsome.
He's got good hair, too, that Phil DeFranco.
Phil, if you happen to be in the area and you want to swing by while I'm doing this livestream, let me know.
I'll tell you very obviously what my favorite thing about Phil DeFranco is, is that I did not know who Phil DeFranco was about a year ago.
And suddenly, you guys know how it is on Twitter and social media, suddenly certain names start bubbling up, popping up, this and that, and suddenly I started hearing a lot about Phil.
People saying, Dave, you gotta talk to him, he's an interesting guy, he voted for Gary Johnson, he's a libertarian, he's evolving politically, all this stuff.
And then I watched a bunch of his old videos and I watched new ones and I consistently, this is, if I'm talking to you, Phil, this is a little weird, but I consistently see someone who's trying to do something good, that is actually trying to be fair and decent and not rush to judge.
I once had a tweet that I sent out a little, Too early, and he kind of called me out for it, and I actually, when I saw that he did, I kind of appreciated it, because it wasn't attacking me or trying to destroy me.
It was like, ah, this guy Dave, I like this guy, he kind of fucked up here.
And it made me want to do better.
So I think there's a lot of interesting people right now, and I put Phil at sort of the top of that list, who are trying to talk to younger people and make some sense of the world without being a partisan nutbag.
And also he's super cool and handsome.
And Phil, I won't sell you out when I saw you that day at that place and you were doing that thing.
Remember when I saw you there and walked in?
I won't tell people what you were doing.
Alright, don't worry about that.
Okay, jump back to Patreon and it's 1.47, so we'll do about 13 more minutes.
Who knows?
Maybe Phil DeFranco will walk in while we're doing this, in which case we will extend.
When are you going to write a book?
You've met so many inspiring people.
I bet you have so much to share.
I am working on a book.
I had a bunch of literary agents coming after me.
Found one that I like.
And I'm working on it.
And it will sort of be loosely based around some of the conversations I have here with a little bit of personal stuff.
More than anything, I just need a little time for it.
You know, people say that writing a book is like the hardest thing in the world.
And I just need like the, it's not only the physical time, but I need sort of the mental space to do it.
I'm thinking that I'm gonna try to shut down possibly for like two weeks in August, maybe, where I could take a little time.
That's not enough time to write a book, but absolutely, something's coming.
You know, when I've been going to these college events, a few that I did with Steve Simpson from the Ayn Rand Institute, he's got a book I did one with Michael Shermer.
He's got a book.
So afterwards, the kids want me to sign something.
I'm signing other people's books.
It doesn't even make sense.
Alright, let's see what else.
We're going to do a couple more on Patreon and Super Chat and then we're going to let it go.
Let's see.
Looking to having Abby Martin on the show.
She does an amazing series called The Empire Files all over the Middle East and knows so much about going on over there.
I'm not a huge fan of hers personally.
I've seen her do some sloppy stuff or stuff that I think is not that honest.
And I think she attacked me once on Twitter.
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I'm not sure.
But anyway, yeah, I'll look into it.
I'll have her on.
That's not a problem.
On Super Chat, The Hill wrote an article about the 66 programs that Trump is making cuts to in his budget.
What are your thoughts on this?
He's supposedly saving $26.7 billion.
So I haven't seen the specific article you're talking about.
As a general rule, And this is where that classical liberalism thing meets the libertarian thing.
I'm for the scaling back of the government, meaning you should keep more of your money.
So I can't comment on the 66 specific things, but generally speaking, allowing people to decide what to do with their money as opposed to the government.
I think that's a good thing.
Now, you might say, well, wait a minute, if you cut certain services, well, then homeless people won't get food or shelter.
Now, I'm a believer that people will give more when it's needed, but if you have the government doing anything, which often does things extremely inefficiently and through nepotism and all that, that it isn't even done in a very effective way.
And we know that a lot of churches and synagogues and mosques and other social organizations, that they do do charities effectively, This was, by the way, the sort of nexus of the conversation that I had with Mark Duplass about what's the role of government when it comes to charity versus people.
So I'm basically for, again, I don't know the specifics of this list, but I'm basically for you keeping more of your money and then you deciding if you wanna give more money, you personally, Planned Parenthood, great, go for it.
You wanna give more money to your local town So that the school can give hot lunches or extend school for an hour to have daycare so the parents can be at work longer.
Or you want to put more of your money so that your local town can build a basketball.
Hoop, okay, all of those things.
I think those are things that we can take down to the local level, that that's generally better.
So I would be for cutting federal programs for the most part, not all of them.
And I do think we have to have a social safety net and we have to make sure the people that need it the most can get some help and it can't only be left.
To the private sector.
By the way, you know, we've talked a lot about taxes.
I would be for not taxing people if they make maybe under 50 grand or something and give them a break so that they can hopefully move up.
That's the thing.
All right, Super Chat, why isn't there more classical liberals like yourself and even people on the right like Ben Shapiro and Larry Elder not be, oh, and wire people like Ben Shapiro and Larry Elder not being invited onto left-wing media in order to have more open discussion?
I mean, this is my life story at this point, right?
I am more than happy to have these conversations with these people.
By the way, a couple big lefties that I've invited on lately, obviously Bernie and Elizabeth Warren, Van Jones, he said publicly yes on Twitter.
His people have said no privately.
I just have to throw that out there.
I don't need to make a big deal about it.
Gavin Newsom I've invited, Linda Sarsour, love her.
She blocked me on Twitter.
I invited the girl from the MTV white people thing.
I think I got blocked for that.
And a whole bunch of other people.
And by the way, I continue to have left-leaning people here.
The problem is that unless you're so far left that you can just grab that mantle of leftism, when I bring decent liberals here, people think they're right-wing maniacs.
And of course that's nonsense.
Or they just don't count them as liberals at all.
So I wish, of course I wish, the left would talk to people like Ben Shapiro more and talk to people like Larry Elder.
People ask me why I only go on Fox News.
I only get invited by Fox News.
That's it.
I can't just show up to the MSNBC offices and say, guys, put me on.
That's not how it works.
I guess I could try it, but I don't think it's gonna work.
So CNN's not putting me on.
I don't even care about any of that mainstream garbage.
I truly don't.
I love what we're building here, and I think it's more important, and in a lot of ways, it's more influential.
But yeah, I wish there was more conversation between both sides.
Generally, right now, I think that the ideas of the left, These ideas of collectivism and this postmodern garbage, they're such bad ideas that they don't want their ideas challenged, which is why they're into deplatforming and they're okay with punching Nazis and all of this other stuff, because the ideas don't stand on themselves.
So if your ideas can't be debated, well then, what's the option?
Well, let's silence people or not let them speak at all.
Okay.
All right, so I'm just seeing this breaking now.
So the UK's terror threat has been raised to critical, meaning an attack is expected eminently.
Prime Minister Theresa May is making an announcement right now, and it's currently unfolding.
I mean, that sounds horrible.
Generally, when they make these, you know, if something's gonna happen right now, generally, I think things don't happen, fortunately, and it's just an abundance of caution, but I don't know that I can add in anything to that that's gonna make any sense.
All right, let's see.
Wow, we've got a ton here on Patreon.
Let's see.
Dave, as a political science graduate, oop, it ran away from me.
Any thoughts on recent political events in France, Brazil, and the triad Hungary, Poland, and Slovenia?
So on the latter three, Hungary, Poland, and Slovenia, I really want to do more on that.
And Eastern Europe, I think, is probably my area of least expertise.
I know a lot about the Middle East.
I know a lot about, obviously, domestic policy.
I know a lot about Western Europe, but Eastern Europe really is the least for me that I would love to get more educated on.
If you have some people that you think would be good in that department, please do let us know and we'll do a little research on that.
It's been something that's been bouncing around my head anyway.
As for what's going on in France, I mean, look, Macron won.
It sounds like he's sort of the Clinton globalist.
Lefty, you know, the debate was framed between, you know, basically like this Trudeau-style hero and the right-wing Nazi in Le Pen.
We'll see.
I hope everything is okay in France.
They've got a lot of problems right now.
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Okay, Crowder, apparently you guys did tweet the Crowder.
He says that gift a gun is really hard in California, but he plans on getting back to me about it.
All right, Crowder is a man of his word.
I have no doubt if he says he's going to try to do it, that he will.
This is Super Chat.
Would there be more of a response to terrorism if the attacks were more often?
Once everyone forgets about the last attack, a new one happens.
What are your thoughts on that?
You know, that's interesting.
And when I just had Antonia Okafor here, we were talking about that same concept related to guns.
That the only time we want to have the conversation about guns is when something happens.
And that's such a dangerous thing because, okay, so a shooting happens.
You've got dead bodies.
I mean, you have bodies that are still warm in some cases.
We all start fighting about everything.
The people that want to ban guns start screaming.
The people that are all about guns start screaming.
And we don't get anything because when something bad happens, now we've all been, we're further pushed off into our corners.
Then when nothing's happening, we don't have difficult conversations.
It's why I try every week to have more philosophical stuff than do just the day-to-day political machinations.
Turn on CNN, it's mostly drivel.
Most of the people that you follow on Twitter that are just tweeting about politics all day long, it's all drivel.
They just want clicks.
A good government is one that you don't have to think about that often.
So maybe ours isn't that good because we do seem to have to think about it a lot.
But I would like government to be so small that it can't affect It can protect life and liberty, and it can make sure that
we're safe and that we've got roads and we can discuss all sorts of other options of that.
But a good government is small enough that if it gets taken over, if you think Trump
is a secret Russian agent, and you think the Russians have taken over our government, well,
the best option isn't burn down the whole damn system and install King, Queen Hillary.
The best option is that you should be fighting to be governed the way we're supposed to be governed, which is by the Constitution, which has three branches of government which keep each other in check.
It's a beautiful system that pretty much everyone else in the world is jealous of, and we shouldn't just throw it down the toilet and become partisan dickheads.
How's that?
$110 billion arm deal with the Saudis goes partially to the hands of ISIS, Al-Qaeda, and al-Nusra.
Trump isn't gonna defeat terrorism by arming them.
Yeah, I mean, I've sort of addressed this.
It's unclear to me how arming Saudi Arabia so that they can either bomb people in Yemen or export a lot of this Wahhabism or build mosques or any of this stuff, and why do we keep this regime?
If we believe in human rights and you believe that women should be treated equally and be allowed to vote, to vote!
In 2017, to drive in 2017 and you believe gays shouldn't be thrown off roofs and you believe that we shouldn't have public beheadings of apostates and all of this stuff, well then it stands to reason that Saudi Arabia shouldn't be our ally.
Are there other things going on there that we're just not privy to?
I guess, I guess, but it's extremely complicated.
I saw, I think it was Newt Gingrich tweeted something about how this $110 billion deal is gonna make all these American jobs.
There is some truth to that, right?
If they have to buy military stuff from us, then we do create jobs.
Okay, that is one thing, but if we're doing that so that they can push a lot of backwards, maintain control of an ideology that's gonna push a lot of backwards beliefs, then there's obviously an inherent problem in there.
I don't think it's a great alliance, unfortunately to have.
Let's see.
I think, did I do this one?
One more on Saudi Arabia.
As a Jew, it was great to see Trump's speech in Saudi Arabia followed by the Israel trip and speeches.
Your thoughts on the importance of that?
Yeah, I thought going to Saudi Arabia, laying down some hard truths, as I said earlier, I thought that was pretty solid.
I don't think the Israel trip, I don't think there was anything particularly new there, other than that because the state of the world is so screwy right now and terror, I don't have great hope for that, quite honestly, but relative to what Trump said in Saudi Arabia about getting rid, you know, these non-state actors have to be shunned, so Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in Gaza
Well, these are terror organizations.
They don't want to build states.
They are terror organizations that want to kill.
Hamas, what did they do?
They took kill all Jews out of their doctrine and the left went crazy like, you see, you see, they don't want to kill all the Jews, just half the Jews.
Yeah, that's not great.
So if we can push them aside and go, all right, is it Abbas?
I don't know that it's Abbas.
Right now, I think Netanyahu said this yesterday, but right now if the Manchester attack had happened in Israel and 22 dead Israeli children were there, the Palestinian Authority, it is in their law that they pay the family members of the suicide bomber.
So is he quite the right partner for peace?
Probably not.
Possibly not.
But at least there's some Western backing there.
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It's so complex.
You toss in a dose of religion and just ancient hatreds.
But I do think there may be... This is what I've consistently said about the Trump thing.
Everything sort of feels like it's upside down right now.
So there's fertile ground.
Now, whether that fertile ground is gonna be soiled and rooted with terror and with authoritarianism and totalitarianism and all that, perhaps.
But it could also be rooted in liberalism, in Western values, in freedom, in places where it will be okay to be a woman or a gay or a minority or whatever else it is.
Those are the ideas that we gotta keep pushing out.
So we'll see.
Okay, it's two o'clock already, so we'll do a bonus five.
Bonus five?
To my people?
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Oh, and now I'm being told that members of the armed forces will be deployed across UK as part of the raising of UK's terror level.
Look, unfortunately, this may be becoming the new norm.
You know, I've been to Israel a couple of times, and when you're there, yeah, there are soldiers on the streets.
Now, other places in Europe and in Eastern Europe, they have this.
They check your bag when you go into a mall.
Literally, I mean, just walking around with a little backpack, I got a tank top on, and you go to the mall to get shoes and they go through your bag.
You go to the movie theater, they go through your bag.
They have probably tons of surveillance cameras and all kinds of smart profiling and all that stuff.
This may unfortunately be the new normal that we're all heading towards.
And guess what?
The only way that we would be able to not head to that new normal, not head to a place where every three weeks something terrible is gonna happen, And we're all going to go, why did it happen again?
And how do we stop it?
And I wish there was more love.
I saw a lot of people tweeting last night, we just need more love in the world.
It just doesn't mean anything.
You're just saying nothing.
It makes you feel better, I guess, for the 10 seconds, but it really is nothing.
What we need to be doing is having an honest discussion about the roots of this stuff.
Have an honest discussion about I mean, whatever, whether it's doctrine, whether it's immigration, whether it's integration, all of these things, whether, why do we have alliances like we have with Saudi Arabia?
I mean, we could have all these conversations, we gotta get better at having them, but we also gotta, what you can do, I think, as the average person, because obviously we're not, you guys and myself, we're not government policy makers and all that, What we can all do is start talking about this.
Start, I'm trying, I'm just one guy trying to do this.
But you guys should, if you're afraid to talk now, we're in the shitter.
We are in the shitter.
And perhaps we are.
So, there you go.
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Oh, this is interesting from Patreon.
Is the best solution to refuse to accept religious influence of any type in political matters and to make it imperative that any immigrants wanting to live in the UK or the USA need to live by its laws?
Well, I absolutely do believe that if you come to the United States, which still more people in the world want to come to than any other place on earth, you know, all these leftist people that want open borders, they're the same ones that tell you what an evil, patriarchal, racist, What a misogynistic society we are.
Why would you want everyone to come here if it's so horrible here?
Which is just a very easy way to dispel their bullshit.
I would say yes, absolutely.
If you come here, we are all descendants of immigrants, okay?
Everyone here, unless your family came over on the Mayflower, or you are the descendants of African slaves, or you're a Native American, the rest of us are all descendants of immigrants.
I think my great-grandparents on both sides.
I don't even know that they even all had a bag with them.
The clothes on their back.
Moved lower east side of New York.
Eventually, my grandfather became a pretty successful importer-exporter.
He worked with Art Vandele.
I hope some of you got that reference.
My other grandfather grew up in a tenement house sleeping with, I think, six brothers and sisters all in one room.
Then he worked really hard and worked at a printing press and then moved up to sort of lower middle class, basically middle class in Brooklyn.
And then my parents, my dad was able to have a middle class job and move up the economic ladder.
Hopefully I'm able to do that.
That's the American dream.
That's what we all need to do.
but you can only do that if you hold the Western values and society, the things that tie a society together.
That's why that melting pot I talked about earlier is so important.
We can still do that.
We can sell the goodness of America, not because we wanna spread it across the world,
although I think that would be nice ideologically.
I'm not talking about spreading it with weapons and missiles,
but we can do that right here.
We have to reinvent ourselves.
Watch the last five minutes of my interview last week with Brigitte Gabriel.
I mean, she nails it on what freedom really is.
It doesn't just, you know, it's not free.
It's not free.
It was built on the backs of people before you.
And if you don't fight for it, you will lose it.
And we could lose it here.
I think people are starting to wake up to that.
So, so we shall see.
All right, I'm gonna do, I'm gonna knock out one more super chat and, And then we'll go from there.
Finally... Okay, well, this sort of ties it all together, everything we've been talking about, and Manchester.
Why is it that mainstream liberal media is afraid to talk logically about how religion can be influential?
After all this, they still don't want to talk about it.
Yeah, they don't.
And it shows you that this stuff with the left that I've been talking about, I'm not just saying it for the sake of saying it.
That this ideology has taken root not only in so much of our politics, but in our media.
And what happens is when you keep calling everyone else a bigot and a racist, well then eventually, let's say, let's just say that some of these people that are on these television shows are well-meaning, all these obfuscators and these people that deny logic and reason and all that stuff, but they are well-meaning.
Well, what happens is they become hostage to the own bullshit that they put out there.
So they become hostage to the ideas that if they start talking about this stuff now, Well, all the people that they've been calling racists before, well, guess what?
Now all the people that they tricked into thinking were racist, the rest of the people that have been doing that are going to call it on them.
And nobody wants that.
And that's why we have to fight this thing.
That's why I talk about the college stuff.
People say to me, Dave, you may be, are you overblowing what's going on on, on, uh, College campuses related to free speech.
No, I've been there.
I am talking to college kids who are telling me they're getting in trouble for using the wrong gender pronouns.
Girls who are getting kicked out of feminist clubs because they talked about that women shouldn't have to wear the hijab.
I mean, crazy shit that is happening.
And it's happening in the name of this postmodern leftist junk.
So I do believe this is absolutely real.
I'm only telling you what I think.
And we gotta fight it, we gotta fight it.
Anyway, I enjoy doing these live streams.
Thank you guys for playing along on Super Chat.
Thank you for the support on Patreon, as always.
And just catching up real quick, there is this issue with YouTube monetization.
So for those of you that do support on Patreon, or whether you've given a one-time donation on PayPal, You are keeping the lights on, literally, in this case, because our revenue on YouTube was down 65% last month from the month before, despite comparable numbers and engagement, and our watch times are over 15 minutes a video, which is insane on YouTube.
They should be treating us like we're the kings of this place.
We don't do clickbait, we don't do misleading titles and tags and all that other nonsense.
So I don't do everything we could for every little click.
I think we're producing a really well-done, professional show here that I'm very proud of, and I'm very proud of my team and all that.
So those of you who, even if you jumped in and threw us something on Super Chat here, or on PayPal or Patreon, whatever it is, you're keeping the lights on.
I've gotten offers, as I've mentioned, from a couple networks, and I'm able to say no to things because of you guys, because I don't want to say no, I don't want to say yes to something that is not something that I really want to do.
All right, so I've got another interview in about an hour.
I'm going to have a little lunch, walk the dog, and stay tuned tomorrow for my interview with Professor Abby Hall from Tampa University in Florida.
Really interesting discussion that we had, sort of about economics and the police state and funding wars and all kinds of other stuff, and I think you're gonna dig it.
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