March 3, 2017 - Rubin Report - Dave Rubin
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| In case you missed it, I'm just back from a whopping 10 day social media news hiatus. | ||
| news hiatus. | ||
| Yeah, believe it or not, it is true, I did not look at my twitter feed or follow current events or anything for 10 whole days. | ||
| Amazingly, going offline for more than a couple hours seems like a superhuman feat these days, doesn't it? | ||
| Just having one single day without looking at your phone, without reading the news, and without reacting to someone else's opinion, most likely someone else you've never even met, is becoming increasingly rare these days. | ||
| This rarity, the ability to live life without being constantly connected, is going to become more and more important as our physical world continues to collide with the digital world. | ||
| We're so connected these days that we can't stop the onslaught of information for any amount of time that would allow us to figure out what's important and what is irrelevant. | ||
| Or perhaps even more importantly than that, what's fact and what's fiction. | ||
| It's very obvious to me that occasionally pausing this endless stream of noise is going to be one of the biggest challenges that faces humanity in the next decade. | ||
| This challenge will be vital not only for millennials, but for old time Gen Xers like me, as well as the baby boomers who came before us. | ||
| As for the kids growing up with an iPad in the crib, well, good luck with all that. | ||
| By doing pretty much nothing on my vacation, besides laying at the beach, going fishing, and taking bike rides, I was able to reset a little of this mental clutter. | ||
| This reset was kind of tough for the first couple days, even though I tested my off-the-grid skills less than a year ago. | ||
| Last time, and some of you may remember this, I literally locked my phone in a safe for a week to disconnect. | ||
| But this time I just put my phone on a shelf in the closet, in a shoebox, under a couple other boxes. | ||
| I guess that's some sort of progress right there. | ||
| The first couple days I had the knee jerk reaction to go to my pocket and look at my phone for no reason at all on more than one occasion. | ||
| Eventually that wore off and I found a strange sense of freedom in not being online. | ||
| By the final days of my vacation, part of me didn't even want to come back online at all. | ||
| If you're not, here I am. | ||
| Apparently the world didn't stop while I was off the grid. | ||
| From the Milo scandal, to this Trump CNN fiasco with the press briefings, to the Oscars Best Picture screw up, the world kept on spinning along. | ||
| If you missed it, I did a live stream this past Monday with my thoughts on some of the craziness I missed, and we'll post a link to that right down below. | ||
| Putting aside these specific news stories and current events, I noticed something else as I disconnected from the Matrix. | ||
| I actually felt calmer, more present, and generally happier by being offline. | ||
| Maybe this had something to do with the beach I was on and the margaritas I was drinking, but it wasn't just that. | ||
| I don't think our brains are wired to be taking in endless amounts of information all the time. | ||
| Just think, 200 years ago, to get a message from London to New York, you had to write a letter, get it on a boat, wait a couple weeks for it to get there, and then wait another couple weeks for the response to get back across the pond to you. | ||
| 100 years ago, our fastest communication was a relatively new invention known as the telephone, which now seems totally archaic. | ||
| 50 years ago we only had a handful of television channels, and 20 years ago cell phones were so big they made Zach Morris' phone on Saved by the Bell look small. | ||
| Soon enough you'll be able to live stream video aboard a supersonic plane that'll take you from New York to London in about 20 minutes. | ||
| The point is, the world is now speeding up at an incredible pace, and our own evolution, the ability for our minds to evolve along with the technology, isn't changing at the same pace. | ||
| I believe this goes a long way to explaining why people are constantly outraged and always ready to fight with random strangers online. | ||
| Our connectivity is evolving faster than our conscience. | ||
| There's no way for us to stop scientific progress, and I would never be for it if there was, but we can certainly try to deal with its side effects more effectively. | ||
| And by the way, you've all heard me say how incredible this online connection can be. | ||
| This is the irony of our current situation. | ||
| We all have an awesome power at our fingertips, but it's up to us what to do with it. | ||
| As Uncle Ben said to Peter Parker, with great power comes great responsibility. | ||
| Talking, or more appropriately fighting, about politics endlessly isn't good for our brains or for our society. | ||
| One of the reasons that I talk about small government so much is because I believe that a good government is one that you don't have to think about too often. | ||
| And if you don't have to think about it too often, you don't have to tweet about it every five seconds or write endless Facebook diatribes about it either. | ||
| If the government doesn't have too much control over your life, you don't have to fixate over its every move or every policy that it institutes. | ||
| This is always an incredible irony of the progressive ideology. | ||
| They constantly complain about how the government operates, but their solution is always to make the government bigger. | ||
| If only their guys were in charge, then we'd have some sort of magical utopia. | ||
| This isn't only childish thinking, it's also just against human nature itself. | ||
| The only way to rear in power is to rear it in regardless of who's in charge. | ||
| The feeling that we all have to comment on every news story, to fight over every political point, and to debate every little issue is exactly why a smaller government would be better these days. | ||
| Don't like Trump? | ||
| The answer isn't to try to upend democracy. | ||
| The answer is try to rein in the power of government. | ||
| If we could only live and let live as our founders intended, we would spend less time worrying, fighting, and distracting ourselves from our own lives. | ||
| So to wrap this up, I'm deleting this channel, closing my Twitter account, and shutting down my Facebook. | ||
| I think we've had a pretty great run here over at the Rubin Report, but nothing lasts forever. | ||
| Alright, you got me. | ||
| I'm just kidding. | ||
| But what I will do is make a renewed commitment not to add meaningless noise to your already hectic life. | ||
| Now, share this video with everyone you know, or the world as you know it will come to a | ||
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horrific end. | |
| Joining me this week is an author, a journalist, and a commentator on The Rebel TV, Lauren | ||
| Welcome to The Rubin Report. | ||
| Thanks for having me. | ||
| We are way overdue for this. | ||
| Yeah, there's been a lot of comments on Twitter constantly. | ||
| When are you going on Rubin? | ||
| When are you going on Rubin? | ||
| So people are probably going to be pretty ecstatic to see this. | ||
| They are already ecstatic. | ||
| You have to do what Twitter demands of you. | ||
| Of course, of course. | ||
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Do you find that all your data... What do the Twitter gods say? | |
| Yeah, you have to. | ||
| Now, you are coming. | ||
| We're here in L.A., but you, yesterday, I guess, were in Mexico at an anarchist convention? | ||
| Yeah, it was called Anarchapulco, so a bunch of hippies, a bunch of anti-statists. | ||
| You had people like Adam Kokesh there, and Jeff Berwick, all these, Luke Rudowsky. | ||
| It was a lot of fun, of course. | ||
| Every table I sat down at, they'd be like, look at me. | ||
| Are you a statist, you know? | ||
| But I think we agree on more than we disagree, so I had fun there. | ||
| Yeah, so we've only met once, and it almost seems like a lifetime ago. | ||
| You joined Milo when he came on my show the first time, which I think was either October or November of 2015, so it's not that long ago, but that seems like a lifetime ago, doesn't it? | ||
| Yeah, it was October and we went to the Amber Rose Slut Walk then. | ||
| Oh my gosh, it does feel like so long ago. | ||
| Milo blew up since then, like insanely. | ||
| I started working at Rebel full-time. | ||
| That was crazy. | ||
| Just met you briefly there, but you were in a completely different studio. | ||
| Yeah, so I do want to talk about your rise, but let's talk about Milo for just a second because if you mention his name and then you don't say something, everyone's gonna freak out. | ||
| What are your general thoughts on what's happened over the last couple weeks? | ||
| You know, I actually made a video on it and then I just decided not to publish it because I didn't think I could be objective on it because I know, like, I lived with Milo for like a week when I was in LA with him and we went to your show and talked to him a bit. | ||
| Obviously, he's been Such a good person to me personally. | ||
| He's even helped me through stuff like in my personal life. | ||
| Like he's been just such a kind person. | ||
| He is not a pedophile. | ||
| He doesn't support pedophilia. | ||
| I will never believe that. | ||
| However, I understand how people looking in on the situation reacted that way. | ||
| And I understand how I would have reacted if it were a Democrat that did this. | ||
| Me knowing Milo personally changes my opinion on the issue, but I can't blame people for criticizing him. | ||
| So I didn't publish the video because I didn't think I could be objective. | ||
| Yeah, it's not one of the tough things of being sort of an online person is that you feel like you have to comment on everything. | ||
| And in this case, you're actually friends with the person. | ||
| And it's like, no matter what you say, a certain amount of people are gonna be angry at you for it. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, it was... | ||
| It was, it was tough to watch. | ||
| It was tough to watch because it was so, as much as it was true, like true, these were quotes that were, he had said. | ||
| They came out of his very own mouth. | ||
| It was obviously something that was coordinated to get him to not speak at CPAC. | ||
| Obviously something coordinated from the right, which was even more crazy to me, to take him down. | ||
| So... | ||
| I mean it's hard to not take that into consideration when thinking about it as well. | ||
| And I always, that's what worried me too. | ||
| I thought about, what if I get to the size that Milo is one day? | ||
| What if I have 2 million Facebook followers one day? | ||
| And people go back and they just rummage through the stuff that I've done. | ||
| What would they find? | ||
| And you know, I thought about this one video I did in high school. | ||
| It was for a grade 12 history project. | ||
| And a girlfriend and I dressed up as Hitler and Mussolini. | ||
| And we sing a duet about war crimes that we did, and we got an A-plus on it, but holy shit, if someone found that video and took it out of context, the stuff that they can do to you if you have an arranged, coordinated attack against you, horrifying. | ||
| So was this just a very slick move by you, just mentioning this video right now? | ||
| Because now, you know what I mean, you beat them to the punch. | ||
| That's an eight mile, you know, you gotta self-dox. | ||
| You gotta get there first. | ||
| So you said it's very obviously a coordinated something. | ||
| Now my feeling on conspiracy theories, I always say extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. | ||
| I assume you don't have any evidence that it was coordinated by someone on the right. | ||
| I gotta say, I've talked to people that... I can't say much without revealing much, but I've talked to people who know some of the people that were involved and knew what was happening beforehand. | ||
| Obviously, I can't substantiate that, so I don't expect anyone to believe me. | ||
| That's just personal. | ||
| I guess there's tons of people watching too, but... Me to you! | ||
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This is going to be on the internet, right? | |
| Okay, so without getting into the specifics of the evidence, why would somebody on the right, I mean, Milo was becoming the counterculture thing that was making conservatism cool again. | ||
| Why would they want to take him out? | ||
| Well, Milo threatens the people, Milo Trump, the kind of anti-establishment type right that want to bring the right back to what conservatism actually is and not neocons, not kind of the The people who want to bring it back to its origins are a big threat to the Evan McMuffins of the world. | ||
| The Evan McMuffins. | ||
| Is he really someone that's in power though? | ||
| Not really. | ||
| He doesn't have any real influence. | ||
| But you mean the ideas of those people? | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What do you make of Trump in that regard? | ||
| Do you think he really is a conservative? | ||
| I mean, that's why I think everything's so crazy right now. | ||
| You got the left and right fighting, but Trump doesn't really exist in either of those spaces. | ||
| Well, I think our political spectrum of left and right is a little outdated. | ||
| And it's really been It's to simplify things for the wider populace who don't pay attention to politics that much, who aren't going to look at every policy. | ||
| It's just easy categorization. | ||
| Left, right. | ||
| Whereas, I mean, you have Trump coming out, and I don't agree with this, but he's going and putting out policies like supporting women in science and this kind of stuff. | ||
| And it's like, oh, that's kind of a lefty thing to do, right? | ||
| and his views on healthcare and a lot of, there are people in this world that have pieces | ||
| of the left and the right and mix them together in their politics, and I think Trump is far more | ||
| one of those people than a lot of the other people. | ||
| Isn't that pretty much how we all are, except that everyone keeps yelling | ||
| if anyone deviates in their thought? | ||
| But we all are complex and have inconsistencies and have pieces that might feel a little more left | ||
| or a little more right. - Absolutely. | ||
| People need categorization in order to understand things. | ||
| I always had a problem with using the word the left to describe people. | ||
| I mean, I grew up listening to people like Ann Coulter and Dennis Prager, and they used the word the left a lot. | ||
| But then I'd listen to people like Sargon of Akkad, and they're like, I'm a classical liberal, right? | ||
| So I'm like, oh, do I want to use the word the left to describe everything? | ||
| But when you do war and war videos online, you kind of realize It works. | ||
| You get more views, more people pay attention because they understand that. | ||
| I don't blame people for not being totally engaged in politics all the time. | ||
| They have jobs, they have families to take care of, they have real life. | ||
| A good government would be one that we don't have to talk about all the time, right? | ||
| So people need things to be a little, like, compartmentalized so that wider society can understand what's going on. | ||
| So when you say the left, more people kind of understand what you're talking about now. | ||
| Of course, if you say that in a political science classroom, the professor's gonna be like, what are you talking about? | ||
| Elaborate, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| So before we get too deep into all the political stuff, tell me a little bit about your history. | ||
| Like, what even got you involved into politics? | ||
| Were you always into politics? | ||
| Yeah, I've been into politics since I was a kid. | ||
| I think you recently had Dennis Prager on the show. | ||
| My dad used to listen to Dennis Prager all the time when he would drive me to school. | ||
| This is when I was like, 13. | ||
| And you'd be driving us to school and I'd love listening to Dennis Prager in the background. | ||
| Super interesting. | ||
| It was the opposite of what I was hearing in the classroom all the time. | ||
| So it made me a very kind of anti-authority kid because I'd always be like, but what about this? | ||
| But what about that? | ||
| And all my presentations would be anti what the teachers would say because I just had so much fun with it. | ||
| How does that go for a kid in school in Canada? | ||
| Not so well. | ||
| I mean, I had a lot of bad, you know, get kicked out of classes kind of situation. | ||
| I was definitely an A or D student. | ||
| Like, I'd do very good in the classes that I loved, but if I didn't get along with the teacher, Like FD student, right? | ||
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| But yeah, it was kind of that. | ||
| I started downloading the Dennis Prager podcasts on my own and listening to them. | ||
| But one thing I will say is I never had my views forced on me growing up. | ||
| It was always my dad. | ||
| I would come home from school and I would learn something at school or whatever and I'd tell my dad about it, whether it be privilege theory or about kind of the history of Canada and how whites were oppressive to natives or something. | ||
| And he would just ask me questions. | ||
| He would never say, no, this is, you should have this right-wing opinion. | ||
| He would be like, okay, natives, for example, do you think that they had war and fights here before the settlers came to Canada? | ||
| Do you think that happened, Lauren? | ||
| Do you think it was a black and white situation? | ||
| And I kind of sit there and think to myself, I don't know, and I'd look into it on my own, right? | ||
| He'd just ask me questions, and whatever the better argument was that I'd find was what I would go with, and if that argument was debunked one day, that's what I would go with later, right? | ||
| So that was a very, I had a very good childhood, very good parenting, I'd say, and that, my dad's interest in politics, and him always questioning me, led me to take political sciences when I went to university. | ||
| Were you a political science major? | ||
| I was, but I dropped out. | ||
| It's a waste of money. | ||
| Oh, you dropped out of school altogether? | ||
| I dropped out of university, yeah. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Yeah, I went to go major in political science, did like two years, and then I was like, peace. | ||
| I'm not gonna pay anymore for this stuff. | ||
| I can learn on my own. | ||
| I thought you were gonna say that you had graduated as a poli-sci major, which would have made the two of us the only two people that ever used that degree to do something in politics. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It's a, what is it, like, poli-sci philosophy, all of it. | ||
| It's barista degrees. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So do you consider yourself a conservative? | ||
| Again, you know, this has been a through line through all my shows with the labels, and we've already addressed that, that they don't quite make sense. | ||
| But you strike me a little more as a libertarian. | ||
| I guess, as you just said, the anarchists will consider you a statist. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| But what do you really consider yourself? | ||
| I'm putting a label on it. | ||
| It's so hard. | ||
| National capitalist libertarian nationalist. | ||
| But that's the thing. | ||
| To libertarians, I am a conservative. | ||
| To conservatives, I'm more libertarian. | ||
| What do we need to know about Canada? | ||
| Just the politics of Canada? | ||
| Because I feel like we know nothing about Canada. | ||
| We see Trudeau and he's smiling or he's on the mosque floor with the men, half mocking that the women are segregated and some other things. | ||
| But what do we need to know about Canada that we don't know? | ||
| Trudeau quite literally got elected because of his hair. | ||
| It was nepotism because of his father and who his father was. | ||
| And most people within the Canadian government that work for Trudeau... I mean, I'm not too much into the politicians are puppets conspiracy. | ||
| Trudeau is literally a puppet. | ||
| They just made him the leader because they knew he would win because of his pretty face and because of his father. | ||
| And then they all think he's a joke. | ||
| So that's Canada right now. | ||
| We are being led by a literal joke that is a joke to his own party. | ||
| And what I'd say to everyone who likes Liberty is Look into Maxime Bernier. | ||
| He is a French-Canadian candidate that is literally a libertarian running for the Conservative Party right now, and I think he has a real shot at winning. | ||
| He has the most campaign donations of any of the candidates running right now, and he's like a literal Rand Paul. | ||
| Imagine if Rand Paul had the highest campaign donations in the American election. | ||
| That would be crazy. | ||
| So he's been fun to watch. | ||
| We've got a few okay candidates. | ||
| No Trumps. | ||
| Kevin O'Leary is not Trump. | ||
| Is he not? | ||
| That's where I was going next. | ||
| He's not Trump. | ||
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No. | |
| He makes lots of comments about, anti-gun comments, pro-refugee comments, very globalist policy. | ||
| You'll have to, I don't have it all on me right now. | ||
| My coworker, Faith Goldie, she's done a really good video talking about this and why she doesn't think Kevin O'Leary is Trump. | ||
| So in a way, he'd be too centrist to sort of capture the imagination the way Trump did down here. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And I mean, we've got a lot of politicians in Canada trying to be Trump right now. | ||
| We have this one lady, Kelly Leach. | ||
| And she is the one who's been in the news lately because she came out with a immigration test where she wants to test for Canadian values. | ||
| And everyone was like, wow, is this our Trump? | ||
| She has a real stance on immigration and making sure people assimilate. | ||
| But then she does this ridiculous stuff. | ||
| She sent out an email and in the bottom of it, it's like, we need to drain the canal. | ||
| It's just like trying so hard. | ||
| She's just, she's not Trump. | ||
| We have to put poutine on the something or other of the country. | ||
| They're trying very, very hard to emulate what happened in America. | ||
| And then you've got another half of them that are trying very, very hard to not and condemn it and call it white supremacy. | ||
| There's this guy named Michael Chong who is quite literally, he's just a liberal that's running for the conservatives. | ||
| And what did we, we called him our John Kasich. | ||
| And he's just calling everything white supremacy, supporting all the big liberal policies and all of the politicians that are like Trump he's calling out. | ||
| So the whole Canadian election is kind of being based around the American election right now and people either not wanting to be like that or wanting to be like that. | ||
| Well, good luck with all of that. | ||
| Yeah, thank you. | ||
| We need it. | ||
| What do you make of the whole white supremacy thing? | ||
| The idea that we even have to talk about this seems sort of ridiculous. | ||
| I just don't think... Yes, I think there are some white supremacists, as there always have been. | ||
| I don't think that there are Nazis running around. | ||
| Nazis were... | ||
| A political party in Germany in the 1930s. | ||
| They're not really running around now. | ||
| But this idea that somehow white supremacism has come back and it's conflated with Pepe memes and all this stuff. | ||
| What portion of this do you actually think is real and has traction? | ||
| Well, the fact of the matter is that people literally have to create white supremacy. | ||
| They are so desperate to find it that they are making fake swastikas. | ||
| They are pointing out, if someone's just wearing a white hat, that's a Klan hood, right? | ||
| In fact, the Canadian Nazi Party in Canada, my boss Ezra did a good video on it, there was actually a Jewish organization that backed up and egged on people to start the Canadian Nazi Party because they wanted more like kind of hate crimes to point out, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| So it's sort of like the cops need a certain amount of crime, a certain political view, you need these hate groups, otherwise you don't have any cachet. | ||
| And like half the people on sites like Stormfront are feds. | ||
| It's a big joke online. | ||
| I spend a lot of time in tons of different political communities on Facebook, just like reading it. | ||
| And if you go into any alt-right Facebook groups, the joke is always if you post anything super Nazi or anything, they're like, oh, fed. | ||
| Are you a fed? | ||
| Right? | ||
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Right. | |
| And they're like, no one does that in real life. | ||
| No one runs around with Nazi tattoos in real life. | ||
| You don't see it. | ||
| So if it doesn't exist, then what, well, you would agree that some of it exists, right? | ||
| Like there's something there somewhere that's true. | ||
| Yeah, even the Richard Spencers of the world, like they're mis, even them, they're kind of misrepresented as well. | ||
| Like Richard Spencer is not a white supremacist. | ||
| He is a white nationalist. | ||
| He believes in a white ethnostate. | ||
| He doesn't believe in whites being superior. | ||
| So the problem that's happened is so many people They've never read fascist literature, they've never studied any of the far-right ideologies, they've just been told bigotry, bigotry, bigotry, repeat bigotry, so they have no idea what they're talking about. | ||
| So now they've gone in, they called everything Nazism, everything white supremacy, the word means nothing anymore, and then when you have Richard Spencer's come out of the woodwork that supports a white ethnostate kind of thing, They don't even know how to argue against him because they've never even heard the arguments in their life before. | ||
| The only argument they have is bigot. | ||
| So if there is a white nationalist, white supremacist uprising in America, it's simply going to be because the arguments against white nationalists don't exist other than bigot. | ||
| Other than you can punch Nazis in the face. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| And that's not a good argument. | ||
| And it's literally bringing sympathy to the very, very few people that exist. | ||
| Right, and that is also why I'm against punching these people. | ||
| Beat them with better ideas, but punching them seems kind of crazy. | ||
| So I haven't read a ton, really any, of Richard Spencer's writings. | ||
| I know who he is just from little clips that I've seen and things like that. | ||
| Even if he could convince me that a white ethnostate is the right thing, I would never agree that it should be the United States. | ||
| It's the reverse of what the United States would be for. | ||
| So shouldn't he maybe be trying to have that white ethnostate somewhere else? | ||
| If that's what he's trying to do. | ||
| You're going to have to invite him on the show again. | ||
| I know you're not his lawyer, but you know what I mean? | ||
| If you're trying to do it here, that's against the whole constitution and the premise of the United States of America. | ||
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Yeah, I'm far more fascinated because obviously... Wouldn't that be an easy way to nip them in the bud? | |
| You'd think so. | ||
| You'd think so. | ||
| I mean, obviously, I don't see... I mean, I see, like, socialism super utopian. | ||
| I see the white ethnostate in America specifically super utopian as well. | ||
| Like, it's a utopian idea, right? | ||
| They've got interesting movements in, like, France and everything right now, though, where they've got the identitarians talking about France belongs to the French people. | ||
| And I find those arguments far more fascinating than the ones in Canada and America arguing for I think it's actually a really interesting question to ask. | ||
| Should Denmark remain a majority Danish people? | ||
| And if you talk to liberals and you tell them, like, should Japan remain majority Japanese? | ||
| They'll be like, yes, absolutely, right? | ||
| So I think that's a far more interesting argument than kind of the Pepe, bring back the whites to power in America argument. | ||
| And there's a lot more intellectuals in that movement. | ||
| Europe, kind of, as well. | ||
| Yeah, how serious is that whole thing? | ||
| I think one of the biggest issues that we're having right now is people can't really tell how serious the situation is in Sweden. | ||
| You know, there was this whole thing with Trump last week, and then he sort of backtracked it a little bit, then he reversed the backtrack and all that. | ||
| But what's going on in Sweden, and Germany, and France, and now Holland, Gert Welders probably is going to be elected, and Marie Le Pen in France. | ||
| Like, how serious is the immigration situation? | ||
| Well, I think people have reason to, even if it's not so, so serious yet, which I think it is a lot more serious than obviously the mainstream media is portraying it, I think people have reason to be worried. | ||
| I mean, you saw, I think you had Dan Carlin on your show recently. | ||
| I was listening to one of his podcasts, Prophets of Doom. | ||
| It was a really good one. | ||
| Did you listen to it by any chance? | ||
| It was about Munster in Germany where they had the Lutherans and the Anabaptists living in this city and the Anabaptists were kind of these radical like communist Christians and they were trying to grow power in the city of Munster and as soon as they became the majority and got more positions in government, these religious radicals, what did they do? | ||
| They started asking all the Lutherans there to leave to the point where they were like, We gotta kill the Lutherans, right? | ||
| As soon as they got a majority. | ||
| So what happens when you get a Muslim majority in France? | ||
| What happens when you get a Muslim majority in London? | ||
| You already see it happening in places like Luton, where you have Tommy Robinson, who gets beat up On the street for being white in Luton, where he grew up. | ||
| I was talking to a Pakistani guy in my Uber the other day. | ||
| In fact, I recorded this. | ||
| I probably should know because it's a private conversation, but people don't believe me when I tell them this. | ||
| His family moved to Luton and he was telling me, he's like, I can't tell anyone this, but I don't want Luton to be a majority Pakistani. | ||
| They've changed it. | ||
| I moved to Luton because I wanted to live I wanted to live in Europe. | ||
| I didn't want to live in Pakistan. | ||
| We left Pakistan for a reason, and now we've changed the area. | ||
| And so then he moved to Canada because Luton was Pakistan. | ||
| And Canada has its own set of problems with this stuff, right? | ||
| What is Trudeau's position on immigration, even? | ||
| I mean, after he met with Trump, he was basically saying, we'll take everybody, because Trump was like, no, we're not going to take anybody. | ||
| But that's not a real position, I think. | ||
| His position is diversity is our strength. | ||
| That's what he'll say! | ||
| You think I'm joking, but you have Chrystia Freeland, one of our ministers, she was on Bill Maher and they were talking about Islam and the threat of radical Islam and she literally, there's an amazing video of it on YouTube if people can find it, He kept asking, he's like, do you worry about radicalism? | ||
| And she's like, suggesting that is disgusting! | ||
| Diversity is our strength! | ||
| And they just keep repeating it. | ||
| That's our liberal government. | ||
| That's the CBC. | ||
| They just keep repeating diversity is our strength. | ||
| And once again this goes back to, I think that kind of stuff is leading to a rise in more extreme right because They're not getting answers to their worries about immigration from their government. | ||
| To legitimate questions. | ||
| Legitimate questions, exactly. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, that's what I spent two years when I talked to all these people when I had Sam Harris and Maajid Nawaz and Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Douglas Murray and Milo and Tommy Robinson, by the way. | ||
| So a guy like Tommy Robinson, I got a lot of shit for having him on just for talking to the guy. | ||
| And he strikes me now when I see what he's tweeting about as extremely moderate, like someone that cares about his country. | ||
| I can't say off the top of my head I have ever seen him tweet something that I thought was blatantly racist. | ||
| There may be some, he's in it on such a personal level where he's been punched and things where I can't, I'm not defending his whole Twitter account, but you know what I mean? | ||
| Like I see someone that's actually basically trying to do something good. | ||
| Yeah, and I think you're going to see a lot more liberals, especially in Europe, especially in France, you're already seeing it, where people are like, Shit, we have a problem here. | ||
| And the Liberals are admitting we have a problem here. | ||
| And it's going to become more and more mainstream as soon as... This summer, there are six million... A report was just released in Germany, I believe, that there are six million people waiting in the countries surrounding the Mediterranean to come into Europe. | ||
| And as soon as that ice melts, You're going to see the waves and waves of refugees come again. | ||
| And if Turkey can't hold them, if they're going to be coming through Italy, if they're going to be coming through Kos and all the islands in Greece, you're going to, if they don't stop it, you're going to see some huge problems. | ||
| And that's why Eastern Europe, Is building walls. | ||
| That's why Eastern Europe closed their borders, why Poland, Hungary, Croatia. | ||
| They're saying no because they are at the forefront of the battle. | ||
| It's Northern Europe that are kind of like getting the few people that are making it through that don't have that sense of urgency yet. | ||
| Right, that's really interesting, because even just, I think, this morning, I saw something about how Hungary's building this wall right now, and their prime minister said something about having, you know, a nationalist state, and then I saw immediately people were tweeting, ah, this is like Hitler, this is like Hitler, and he wasn't talking about killing anyone, he wasn't talking about kicking anyone out of his country, he was talking about defending his borders. | ||
| But our conversation has just become idiotic about this. | ||
| Well, it's all the people that are sitting in their condos that have security and they're in a white neighborhood and they just kind of get to sit there on their leather couch and tweet out, how dare you! | ||
| But as soon as their community gets filled with radical Islamic Moroccans or something, or Somalis, or especially a lot of people coming from Certain areas of Africa that have very high violence rates when they come into Europe. | ||
| If that happened to their neighborhood, they'd either move and not talk about it and pretend it didn't happen so they could keep their job, or they would be pissed as all hell just like the people that are living in these situations now. | ||
| Yeah, so I think the second time that I had Milo on, I kept saying to him that he doesn't make the distinction between Islam, the set of ideas that Islam is, versus the nominal Muslim person who may or may not take his faith seriously, who certainly isn't engaging in anything terrorist-related or anything like that, who wants to be part of the Western world. | ||
| You do make that distinction, right? | ||
| In my book, I referred to it as there's three different... Say the title of your book, because it's kind of beautiful. | ||
| Barbarians and the Baby Boomers, Immigrants and Islam Screwed My Generation. | ||
| And you said Islam, meaning the set of ideas, not Muslims, meaning the people, which I do think is an important point to keep bringing up, even though for a certain amount of people, they're going to say you're a hater no matter what. | ||
| Yeah, I mean sometimes I slip up and I'll just say Muslims, kind of like the left, you know. | ||
| I understand why people say it because it's just become simple for them and they just assume people know what they mean, right? | ||
| But in my book I separate into three different kinds. | ||
| The scholar, and I have a good friend of mine who I would consider one of these and he's very, very Very peaceful, very into the texts of Islam. | ||
| He has some fascinating debates with me. | ||
| In fact, he's actually very pro-identitarian movement in Europe, and Europe being for Europeans, which I find fascinating, even though he's super Muslim. | ||
| He's like, no, I understand what's going on. | ||
| They're just very logical, right? | ||
| And then you've got the Muslim that's kind of born into a Muslim family, and they don't really care, especially if they're in America or Canada or something. | ||
| That's like a Christian who doesn't really go to church. | ||
| That's what I was gonna say. | ||
| So basically like every Jew and Christian that we know in America, pretty much. | ||
| Yeah, and they don't care that much. | ||
| But the problem with these people is because it's tied to their family, they will defend it no matter what. | ||
| So if they're gonna write articles being triggered about it in BuzzFeed, I think a lot of these Muslims that work for BuzzFeed and stuff, they're that kind. | ||
| They don't really pay attention to their faith. | ||
| I finally unfollowed BuzzFeed. | ||
| I just couldn't take it anymore. | ||
| Yeah, but they'll defend the most ridiculous sects of Islam, and they'll be the ones claiming Mohammed is a feminist and whatnot, because it's their family, it's tied to them, and they don't care, they can do no wrong. | ||
| And so I find these ones a problem as well, simply because Islam has issues, and it needs to be criticized, and if you're just supporting it because of your family... | ||
| That's an issue. | ||
| And then, of course, the radicals, the ones who believe in the very, very strong, violent sections of the Koran and Hadith and Sharia law, which is horrifying, obviously, especially in the countries where it's been implemented. | ||
| So those three, of course, the first one should never be let into any Western nation, in my opinion. | ||
| And the second one... So you don't want to let jihadists in? | ||
| No, I'm very radical. | ||
| I'm with you on that radical position. | ||
| Okay, no jihadists. | ||
| So far I'm with you. | ||
| Yeah, and then I think you need some serious screening for the second one as well. | ||
| The ones that are born into these families and just think, oh yeah, we should throw gays off roofs. | ||
| That's cool. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| I'm not really going to do it myself. | ||
| I'm not going to do it myself, but I kind of support it. | ||
| And of course, you've had Ben Shapiro, I believe, on the show. | ||
| He did a really good video, The Myth of the Tiny Radical Muslim Minority, where he talks about the Pew Research behind it, showing that actually a lot of people in this group are pretty okay with a lot of the radical policies being promoted in Islam. | ||
| And I went to places like Molenbeek myself, and I spoke to the people there, and they told me, they're like, yeah, Sharia sounds good to me. | ||
| What happens when these people, it's gonna be Munster and the Anabaptists all over again, what happens when these people are the majority in these countries? | ||
| You're gonna have an issue. | ||
| So is the EU just destined to fail then? | ||
| I mean, is it really over? | ||
| I mean, to me it looks like, you know, Brexit, the string was pulled and now it's just gonna be a slow unraveling, although if what you said before about these six million people happens quick, the unraveling could happen quickly. | ||
| Well, we'll see. | ||
| It depends on what kind of deal they make with Turkey. | ||
| It depends if these deals work out and if they manage to stop it. | ||
| Because you're seeing a lot of, you're seeing even Merkel walk back and be like, maybe I messed up with all the... Isn't she pro-Burka ban now? | ||
| Yeah, like she's, but that's obviously her virtue signaling because she wants to win and not get kicked out of office. | ||
| Turkey, by the way, is building a wall. | ||
| Have you seen this? | ||
| Now they're building a wall with Syria. | ||
| "Oh shit, we messed up." | ||
| So it'll be interesting. | ||
| It totally depends on the response and the deals that can be made | ||
| to keep this large wave from coming in. | ||
| Yeah, Turkey, by the way, is building a wall. | ||
| Have you seen this? | ||
| Turkey's building a wall. - No, I didn't. | ||
| Now they're building a wall with Syria. | ||
| Nobody seems to have a problem with their wall. | ||
| You know what I mean? - Of course not. | ||
| Of course they don't. | ||
| They've let in so many of the ISIS fighters from Europe into Syria, | ||
| and they let people from Syria into Europe. | ||
| So Turkey's had it both ways. | ||
| The door, it's obviously gonna have a revolving door on their wall, I think. | ||
| Yeah, Turkey is a very scary situation. | ||
| They're that gap between all hell breaking loose in the Middle East and Europe. | ||
| So, oh, it's scary watching the situation in Turkey. | ||
| I mean, if they're the gap, which in a lot of ways they are, then we really are screwed because clearly they've gone down the more authoritarian route with Erdogan. | ||
| Well, if they give him enough Euros, I mean, everyone speaks money. | ||
| So basically we have to buy him off. | ||
| Yeah, essentially. | ||
| Although he's got this huge palace. | ||
| Have you seen the palace that this guy lives in? | ||
| Everyone's a madman. | ||
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| So who are some politicians that you like right now? | ||
| That I like right now? | ||
| Who do you think is doing it right right now that's making some sense out of this stuff? | ||
| Obviously I like Marine Le Pen, Geert Wilders. | ||
| Maxine Bernier in Canada. | ||
| And the only reason I'd support Maxine Bernier in Canada, even though I think he's a little softer than the Geert Wilders and stuff, is we don't have as much of a problem as Europe with immigration. | ||
| We already have a pretty comprehensive immigration. | ||
| We aren't bordered on a third world country, which is the biggest thing. | ||
| Give America a chance. | ||
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| No, but that's why Canadians are such cucks, quite frankly, because they don't have real issues to deal with. | ||
| We are bordered on America and we've got America to defend us, so we're not worried about our military, we're not worried about our borders, so we watch the rest of the world and we judge and we're like, you're so mean, you're so mean. | ||
| And we don't have to deal with any of it. | ||
| And you guys also have a tremendous amount of space. | ||
| And a tremendous amount of resources and everything. | ||
| People take our oil and gas for granted so much. | ||
| We are the biggest spoiled brats on earth in Canada and now we've elected an even bigger spoiled brat than the rest of us. | ||
| So when you talk about Wilders and Le Pen, every article that I read about either one of them says they're far right. | ||
| Does that have any meaning to you? | ||
| Is there anything that's right about them? | ||
| Is there anything far right about them that you don't like? | ||
| Do you think any of their tactics are actually bigoted or anything like that? | ||
| Well, when the entire spectrum has moved left, of course they're gonna be far right. | ||
| I mean, if you go back 50 years ago and you ask a liberal what their opinions are on gay marriage, for example, they'd be a Nazi! | ||
| They'd be far right, you know? | ||
| You could also ask Obama seven years ago. | ||
| Exactly, exactly. | ||
| That's what's fascinating. | ||
| Trump is one of the first politicians to go into office supporting gay marriage. | ||
| So technically he could be like the most pro-gay president we've ever had. | ||
| Look, the guy got a standing ovation at the RNC for talking about gay marriage. | ||
| Peter Thiel gave an incredible speech. | ||
| He kept the LGBT workplace protections in. | ||
| I got no problem with Trump on any of that. | ||
| But yeah, if you go back, yeah, go back 50 years and all of your liberals are going to be far right today. | ||
| So, do I have concerns about Marine Le Pen and Geert Walders being Nazis? | ||
| Absolutely not, because if you just kind of turn that spectrum a little more normal, no, they're quite far away from the Hitler end. | ||
| Right, so I'm totally with you on that, but what do you do then if, okay, let's say they shut down the borders or they get the most, you know, just pitch perfect immigration system and all of that stuff, and even if they stop letting in anybody, you still have a problem that's in the country right now. | ||
| They know this for sure. | ||
| You know, Netherlands without question, France without question, Germany, they've all got it already there. | ||
| What do you do about that? | ||
| Well, the first thing you have to do, obviously, is the borders, because you can't solve the problem within. | ||
| So once you've got that done, the birth rates, obviously a huge issue. | ||
| I don't know if you've seen it, but people should look up the statistics on their own. | ||
| The European, like the French people versus the Muslims within the country, the birth rates are exponentially different. | ||
| They're just having so many kids and growing and taking over these entire communities. | ||
| How you deal with that? | ||
| Well, you stop This is one of the biggest things that I've had a problem with, is my generation right now, Native Canadians, Native Europeans, Americans, they are being taxed so much, and all of the systems that exist today, they have become so generous with strangers that they are unsustainable for themselves. | ||
| So kids in my generation, or young Millennials, they don't plan on having children, they don't They won't even be able to own houses because they can't afford it. | ||
| All of their money and their parents' money that should be going to helping them is going to support immigrants. | ||
| So start giving the money back to the native populations that do want to have kids. | ||
| They're claiming it's a birth rate issue and they're claiming we need to bring more people into the country so that we have enough people to work the jobs and whatnot, we have low birth rates. | ||
| Well then why are you disincentivizing all of these native people from having kids and buying houses by making it so expensive and giving all of their money I would love to one day have three kids. | ||
| Exactly, I've never heard that argument before, that the birth rate argument, | ||
| which we know is extremely low for all these westernized nations, | ||
| or for the native populations in these westernized nations, that it's actually a tax issue, basically. | ||
| Well, I would love to one day have three kids. | ||
| I don't know if I'm gonna be able to afford that. | ||
| Maybe I'll only be able to afford one or two, right? | ||
| And anyone with a logical mind is going to think about, I want my kids to have good education. | ||
| I want them to be able to eat properly and healthy and whatnot. | ||
| How many kids can I afford to have? | ||
| The reality is most people can't afford to have four or five kids. | ||
| If your wife and all of your kids or all your wives are on welfare, You know, and you're gonna be okay. | ||
| And you say wives, but this is a real thing. | ||
| This is a real thing. | ||
| And the birthrate thing also, it's happening in every Western country. | ||
| The most popular baby's name in Israel, do you know what it is? | ||
| What? | ||
| Mohammed. | ||
| Mohammed. | ||
| Same in London, most popular name there is Mohammed. | ||
| That's very, very, like people would be having a collective panic attack if the most popular name in like an African country or a Korean country was like Bob or something. | ||
| I would be freaking out. | ||
| I thought you were going to say Jesus, but just Bob. | ||
| Just Bob would do it. | ||
| Just a white name. | ||
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| Yeah, Jim. | ||
| If Jim was the most popular name, can you imagine how many HuffPost think pieces would come out on that? | ||
| Imagine if you had neighborhoods. | ||
| Because I went into a neighborhood in Germany that, what was it called? | ||
| I'm trying to remember. | ||
| That'll come to me. | ||
| But I went into a neighborhood in Germany where the whole neighborhood, Turkish flags everywhere, like huge Turkish flags, all the cars Turkish flags. | ||
| There was one German, it was Marksloh, there was like one German flag I saw in a window and it literally looked like The most depressing, kind of pitiful protest on conquered land. | ||
| It literally looked like conquered land that I was looking at. | ||
| And do you think if Germany went to war against Turkey, that Marxloh would stand with Germany or would it eat Germany from the inside out? | ||
| Would it fight with Turkey? | ||
| They would fight with Turkey, that is a fact. | ||
| Imagine if there was a place in Japan that you went and it was all American flags everywhere. | ||
| It was all white community and they were racist against the Japanese there. | ||
| And they just were... They didn't speak the language. | ||
| They never bothered to assimilate at all. | ||
| People would be disgusted. | ||
| They would be disgusted. | ||
| And I'm disgusted by what's going on in Marx Law. | ||
| I love freedom and I think that people should have the right to put that flag outside. | ||
| That doesn't mean I have to support it. | ||
| That doesn't mean that I have to be for it. | ||
| What do we do with the media when it comes to this stuff? | ||
| Because this stuff is not getting through to our mainstream media, an honest discussion of this stuff. | ||
| There's a lot of it happening online, and it often happens on the extremes, and I think there's a couple shows, I like to think that this is one of them, where we're having a little more of a nuanced conversation about this. | ||
| But how do we get this to the mainstream so that before it's too late here? | ||
| The worry is always that people have to suffer a lot before they actually realize they have a problem, right? | ||
| You think that's just how it is at the end of the day? | ||
| I mean, look at what happened to America. | ||
| You have cities that are bordered to Mexico where you walk through there and you're going to be called a piece of shit gringo and get beat up. | ||
| In Europe you have Luton, you have these places that are literally being conquered and you look at the Oh my goodness, the welfare rates that go to immigrants, especially from Mexico and illegal immigrants in America right now, the Medicaid, the food stamps, the housing, all of it is insanely high if anyone looks at the research. | ||
| So of course the American people have already gone through a lot with what they're dealing with and God knows like people like Ann Coulter are saying it would be, if Trump didn't win, it would be all over because they just keep voting in Democrats. | ||
| So they had to get to a very extreme point before they kind of Yeah. | ||
| woke up to what was going on. | ||
| And there is a shift going on. | ||
| We both know there's a shift going on in the media, well, in popular culture, rather, | ||
| where people are starting to push back. | ||
| And you're seeing bigger and bigger figures come out more and more. | ||
| I mean, your video that came out on why I left the left is something that so many people refer to | ||
| as things are shifting. | ||
| Look it, Dave Rubin came out and said this. | ||
| That's a lot of people I know. | ||
| I mean, and what I tried to say sort of in that video, but what I've said subsequently is I believe the exact same things that I believed in 1988 when I first got into politics in seventh grade. | ||
| I've changed a little bit maybe on some economic stuff. | ||
| I'm a little more libertarian maybe than I used to be. | ||
| But I believe the exact, it's not me that changed. | ||
| People kept saying, well you left the left. | ||
| The left left me. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| I do understand how these radicals took over, but it's amazing to see how quickly it happened. | ||
| How quickly and effective the tenured hippies that were in the institutions managed to plant that seed of extremism in a whole generation of people and get them into the media, plant them into the government. | ||
| And it's going to be very interesting to see what happens with this. | ||
| the tail end of millennials obviously and the ones that are just going to be leaving university and | ||
| everything, they are radicalized. That's done. Things are changing now especially with the kids | ||
| in high school that are more and more conservative which is awesome. But what is going to happen when | ||
| all of these millennials get into government? | ||
| What's going to happen when they start taking over the companies? | ||
| What is going to happen? | ||
| It's very interesting. | ||
| Will they change their mind when they start paying taxes, which is a theory that a lot of people have? | ||
| Or is the indoctrination too deep? | ||
| Right, so that's like, you know, if you're in your 20s and you're not a liberal, you have no heart, and if you're not a conservative in your 30s, you have no brain, or it might have changed a bit the other day. | ||
| I'm hoping that natural cycle happens, but I don't think the indoctrination was as bad when that quote came out. | ||
| Right, well, safe spaces and trigger warnings didn't exist back then. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So these kids have been so insulated that, I was supposed to speak at UCLA, or sorry, USC, I think tomorrow, and they couldn't get enough security or something, so now I'm not speaking there. | ||
| I mean. | ||
| But you put your ass on the line for a lot of these things. | ||
| You go to places all over the world. | ||
| I've seen you at rallies and all kinds of stuff. | ||
| Where do you get the balls to do it? | ||
| Did someone throw pee on you once? | ||
| Did that happen or did I make that up? | ||
| That was the thing that happened. | ||
| Sometimes I think it might be stupidity. | ||
| You're so stupid, Lauren, why are you doing this? | ||
| But really, where does that come from in you? | ||
| I think, it's just something that I, I remember the first time I went and I did something like that was at the Slut Walk in Vancouver which was like my first, no it was my second like viral video I ever did and I was sitting there and I was so nervous, I was shaking, like you can see me visibly shaking in the video when I went up and I held that sign, there's no rape culture in the West. | ||
| I was so nervous, but it's one of those things where you just do it. | ||
| Just do it. | ||
| Once you've done it, you will get the confidence. | ||
| And obviously it's gotten easier and easier every time. | ||
| And now I kind of get excited in those moments. | ||
| Like I thrive off of the... I thrive off of... | ||
| The adrenaline, running in the crowd with Antifa, flashbangs are going off, pepper spray everywhere. | ||
| You're getting the story, you're getting this out to people. | ||
| It's just a really, really cool experience to me. | ||
| Now, of course, there's the natural fear that I should have, but I mean... | ||
| I've never felt at any point, except maybe in Milwaukee, that I could die if I didn't leave the situation. | ||
| Milwaukee was the only time I felt like we had to leave or we might die. | ||
| How absolutely insane was that? | ||
| Because I also had Tim Poole on. | ||
| Do you know Tim? | ||
| Tim? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| He's in Sweden right now. | ||
| Actually, I was just hanging out with him. | ||
| Right, so he's another guy with balls that goes to these places. | ||
| He tweeted, and the reason I had him on the show, we did it last minute, I didn't even know who he was, but I saw a tweet by this guy who said that I'm an independent journalist and I do all this stuff, and I checked him out and he looked legit, and his tweet was that this, I've been to Tahrir Square, I've been to Venezuela, I've been to all these war zones, Milwaukee is the most I've ever felt threatened. | ||
| I went there towards the tail end of the protest, like they were still going on when I got there. | ||
| I haven't told this story on camera yet, but I went there with a couple of my, I didn't really know them that well, but a couple of my Croat friends who literally just threw a backpack of glocks in the back and they're like, to the jungle we go! | ||
| I started driving this Humvee they're carrying I've got them with me and we get there and like there's literally people putting on like bulletproof vests and stuff when we show up like there's bullet shells on the ground it's crazy and the cops come up to us and they're like they because they can usually tell when you're carrying right and they're like are you guys carrying and the two guys I was with were like nervously like yeah we're carrying and the cop literally looked at us and said good Good. | ||
| Imagine a cop being like, good, you are carrying a weapon. | ||
| You're white. | ||
| You should be carrying a weapon here. | ||
| Good. | ||
| You are in an area where you could get shot and killed for being here. | ||
| That was an insane experience. | ||
| And anyone who's a gun owner is probably sitting there like, what? | ||
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| It would be nice to hear that from a cop, I guess. | ||
| That's what, I don't know what happened to the video with that, but we still have it somewhere, I'm sure. | ||
| But they were coming up to us, and of course, guys in masks and everything, get out of here or you're going to get hurt. | ||
| Get out of here or you're going to get hurt, right? | ||
| And this was towards when things weren't even that crazy. | ||
| What were the cops doing, though? | ||
| Did they have standout orders? | ||
| I mean, what was happening that was allowing for this insanity? | ||
| I mean they've got such a tight leash. | ||
| There was one guy who was causing trouble that just got arrested. | ||
| He didn't get beat up, he didn't get shot, nothing. | ||
| He was just getting arrested. | ||
| And the community that were around him were screaming at the top of their lungs like These effers hate us! | ||
| They're racists! | ||
| This, that, and the other, and it's just like, everything was so, the, it was all so on edge, like it was about to blow up any second, right? | ||
| So the cops were like standing off, and if any of those cops did anything, if they got into an altercation trying to like stop these guys from smashing stuff, It could be national news with a bounty on their head from Black Lives Matter. | ||
| So it's a very scary situation for these people. | ||
| It's such a sad situation because being in that community and talking to the people there, They were very indoctrinated by the media. | ||
| Like, it's hard for me to go there and say they are consciously making these stupid decisions, right? | ||
| A lot of these people, like, truly, truly believe that they are living in this white supremacist society trying to bring them down. | ||
| And of course there were people within that community that I spoke to as well that understood the indoctrination of the community and were like, yeah, I'm living in a community of people that have been totally indoctrinated to vote Democrat and have been totally indoctrinated to believe this is a race war that we're living in right now. | ||
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Right. | |
| We should pause there for a second, because in most of these cities, the mayors are... Democrat. | ||
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Democrat. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Milwaukee, Chicago, plenty of the other ones. | ||
| One of the gentlemen I spoke to there was like, he said exactly that. | ||
| He's like, we've had Democrats year over year over year, and none of these people notice that nothing gets better. | ||
| It seems to be getting worse, actually. | ||
| Yeah, it's getting worse. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So how do you... | ||
| Flip that. | ||
| How do you actually show them that this isn't what's right? | ||
| I sense, actually, that Trump is actually gonna be good at this, which is why people are so angry at him, because he's already said, I'm going to go into the inner cities. | ||
| Now, I'm not for federal overreach of doing this, but I think there's ways you can do things. | ||
| He's gonna work with Steve Harvey. | ||
| Everybody likes Steve Harvey. | ||
| But they're gonna try to do some of this stuff in the inner cities to clean it up. | ||
| I mean, that would be a great win. | ||
| It would be a great win because it's the right thing to do, sort of, morally and in terms of the country, but it would also be a great win for Trump, personally. | ||
| Well, obviously a lot of these people get a lot of welfare and stuff right now. | ||
| Now, these young men that were there that I'd run into, there were a lot of young kids running the street waiting for things to happen, like for stuff to set on fire so they could smash and get some weave or whatever, right? | ||
| And, like, these young kids, they would come up to us and we had our camera out and they were like, yo, what kind of camera is that? | ||
| Like, tell me about it. | ||
| Do you guys sell videos? | ||
| Is that what you do? | ||
| And they were really curious. | ||
| They were like, man, what kind of job do you do? | ||
| I'd love to do kind of video stuff. | ||
| Can you tell me how you do that? | ||
| Like, really genuinely curious to know Like, about a career they could go forward with. | ||
| And, I mean, there's a viral video, this is going to go into a bit of a different category, but this rapper Meek Mill, have you heard of him? | ||
| I don't know the Meek Mill. | ||
| He put out a viral video recently where he makes a homeless guy do 20 push-ups for 20 bucks. | ||
| And everyone was infuriated. | ||
| The internet blew up. | ||
| They were like, this is disgusting. | ||
| This is awful. | ||
| Why are you doing that? | ||
| Is that better than what you're doing, just not giving him 20 bucks? | ||
| He's letting him work to get 20 bucks. | ||
| What's wrong with that? | ||
| What's the issue? | ||
| Why not set up a more Republican system? | ||
| These kids are given jobs. | ||
| Bring jobs to these communities. | ||
| They burnt down the gas station because they're convinced it's racist. | ||
| They burnt down the city because they're convinced of racism. | ||
| Stop with these Democrat tactics of race baiting, telling them they're all oppressed and giving them free stuff. | ||
| Give them opportunities. | ||
| I mean, I'm telling you here, the kids are talking to me and they want that. | ||
| They want a way out of there. | ||
| They want jobs. | ||
| So clearly what you've got going on right now isn't working and just about anything, just about any change at all could, whether it's Trump, as horrible as they think he is, shake things up a bit because the current thing is Making the situation a whole hell of a lot worse. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| For all the things that you said about Canada earlier, how much of this actually bleeds across the border? | ||
| Because we do live in this global world now, and every video that you put up, obviously, it's crossing borders and all that stuff. | ||
| But you know, there was that thing about a year ago at the Gay Pride Parade in Toronto, where Black Lives Matter literally stopped the parade and demanded that the Organizers of the gay parade signed their edict saying these are the things we're going to do. | ||
| Which they eventually did because they were in a hostage situation pretty much. | ||
| Like they weren't going to let the parade move forward. | ||
| But Black Lives Matter has more to do with policing in the United States. | ||
| It had nothing to do with Toronto as far as I know. | ||
| So how much of this just gets up there just because of the nature of the internet? | ||
| Well, we're the spoiled brats. | ||
| And, of course, there are some great Canadians in Alberta and everything. | ||
| You don't mean all Canadians? | ||
| Yeah, I don't mean all Canadians. | ||
| There are some great ones there. | ||
| But the spoiled brats of Canada that don't have to deal with any of these real issues. | ||
| We don't have a problem with cop-on-black violence. | ||
| We don't have those issues. | ||
| Well, of course, there's going to be the individuals, but certainly not even close to the states, right? | ||
| Yet, spoiled little brat Canada looks down and they're like, I wanna be a revolutionary, too. | ||
| I wanna protest, too. | ||
| So you've got, I did a video on Black Lives Matter Toronto, which was a group that banned gay cops from marching in the pride parade. | ||
| And they've got the leader of it. | ||
| I didn't even know that. | ||
| So it wasn't just, was that the same parade? | ||
| Yeah, no police allowed either. | ||
| That was part of their thing. | ||
| So gay police officers who probably had nothing to do with anything violent or against, they just weren't allowed to. | ||
| Oh, because that was one of the edicts, I guess. | ||
| Yeah, they didn't want the cops to march with them. | ||
| God, that's bananas. | ||
| It's absolutely crazy. | ||
| Now, that's not even close to the most bananas thing this group has done. | ||
| Just a few weeks ago, they were holding a protest against Trump's Muslim ban. | ||
| And Yusra Kogali, who is the head of Toronto Black Lives Matter, one of them anyway, one of the co-founders, she was on a truck that was leading this crowd of thousands of people. | ||
| It was a crazy crowd going through the streets of Toronto and yelling, like, rise up, fight back, the whole kind of chant. | ||
| And then she was screaming at them, Justin Trudeau! | ||
| And everyone starts clapping, like, yeah, Justin Trudeau, right? | ||
| And then she's like, No, don't clap! | ||
| He's a white supremacist! | ||
| And they're like, yay! | ||
| They don't know what to do. | ||
| They just clap when they're told to. | ||
| But that's how crazy they are. | ||
| They literally think Justin Trudeau is a white supremacist. | ||
| And she's tweeted things out. | ||
| She's been under investigation for tweeting out, please Allah help me not to kill all these men and white folk out here. | ||
| And she is like leading the Toronto Black Lives Matter movement. | ||
| What's her name again? | ||
| Okay, people heard it here first. | ||
| I'm going to try to get her on the show. | ||
| I suspect she will not. | ||
| I tried interviewing her once and she just poured glitter all over me. | ||
| I'm convinced that it's like a mechanism that her Counselor told her to use when she wants to kill white people, just like pour glitter on them instead. | ||
| We'll see. | ||
| Try, try. | ||
| That would be fascinating. | ||
| Listen, as someone that's had urine thrown on you, I assume the glitter is probably a little... Glitter, it looked good. | ||
| People were telling me you can lose your eye if you get it in there, so I was like, eh, but it looked good. | ||
| There's nothing worse than a little glitter in your eye. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, so where do we go with all this? | ||
| Okay, so you've laid out a pretty good case for this stuff. | ||
| How do you strengthen some of this stuff with young people? | ||
| Is it just the jobs part? | ||
| I mean for everybody, not just the kids that are in the inner cities, but just in general. | ||
| Is it just keep attacking on the culture thing? | ||
| Because I do agree with you that this stuff was starting to win. | ||
| I think the thing that happened with Milo is a net loss. | ||
| Because he was winning the culture part of this. | ||
| So is it just that you just keep pushing on the culture part? | ||
| He's still got his serious support, but I think that the far left is doing more help to us than anyone else. | ||
| I know that's not the first time that's been said, but I hear young kids like in high school on the bus talking about, they're like, can you believe in my classroom today they were telling us we had to call this person sir or whatever. | ||
| It's so crazy. | ||
| They're talking about this. | ||
| They're talking about the fact that they're being vilified and hated for being white. | ||
| When I was in high school, grade 12, they just introduced social justice class. | ||
| Right when I was graduating they introduced social justice class. | ||
| Very beginning of when this was being introduced. | ||
| They took us out into the hallway, and they told us one side of the lockers was the privileged side of the lockers, and one side was the oppressed. | ||
| And they were like, men go to that side, women go to that side, Asians go to that side, this go to that side, whatever, right? | ||
| And they told you, you're privileged, you're oppressed. | ||
| And we did privilege tests. | ||
| Can you find your skin color makeup in the store? | ||
| Oh, you're privileged, right? | ||
| We did all this kind of stuff in this class, and it was insane to me. | ||
| I think even a few of the people in the class were like, I think when that happens, these young kids are like, is it right for me to be hated so much for my skin color? | ||
| Is that right? | ||
| And they go online and they look into it and they find people like Gavin, they find people like yourself, they find people like Milo. | ||
| And it's working. | ||
| The radicalism and insanity of the left and their very, very poor arguments is working to help the right. | ||
| And also the fact that our politicians are not answering these questions that are not going to go away. | ||
| The questions about multiculturalism, the questions about immigration, the questions that these young people are very, very curious about. | ||
| And curiosity will always prevail, I think, because I hope so anyway. | ||
| I hope it'll prevail and won't become a North Korea situation. | ||
| But these questions aren't going to go away. | ||
| More people are going to start asking them. | ||
| And diversity is our strength isn't going to work for much longer. | ||
| It can be our strength as long as we tolerate diversity of thought and as long as we tolerate diversity of... | ||
| Acceptance or something, but not just diversity in the name of tolerance. | ||
| I don't know if tolerance is the word. | ||
| I put up this quote on my Twitter. | ||
| I think it was Plato, maybe? | ||
| Tolerance and apathy are the last virtues of a dying society because once you start tolerating things like Sharia, honor killings, once you start tolerating the ridiculousness of people like Black Lives Matter, yes, let them have their free speech, but as a culture, say, "No, that's wrong, we're gonna speak up against it. | ||
| "We're not gonna just go and be apathetic about it "or write think pieces supporting it | ||
| "'cause we're so afraid. | ||
| "We wanna be tolerant." | ||
| And don't tolerate barbaric cultural practices. | ||
| Don't tolerate those kind of things 'cause you're afraid. | ||
| So I don't know, it depends how you use the word tolerance, I guess. | ||
| Right, well, tolerance of intolerance, I guess. | ||
| Yes. - It's a slow death, right? | ||
| It gets a little confusing. | ||
| It's just a slow death. | ||
| Is there anything about parts of the right, either Trump or Le Pen or any of these people | ||
| that worries you at the same time? | ||
| That worries me? | ||
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Hmm. | |
| I mean, they've been... | ||
| The thing right now is it's such a like, we need to go with this now or we are going to die situation, right? | ||
| So the criticisms I have of them, like you look at Trump, I didn't understand why Saudi Arabia wasn't on the ban and why Iran was instead. | ||
| I was like, must be Saudi lobbying. | ||
| I have an issue with that. | ||
| But at the same time, He's still better than Hillary, right? | ||
| So I think we should definitely be criticizing Trump, we should definitely be criticizing our disagreements, but not in the situation in Europe right now with Geert Wilders and Marine Le Pen. | ||
| Yet, wait until you've kind of helped the country and then keep your politician in line. | ||
| Make sure they serve the people, make sure they are appointed to you, make sure they do their job! | ||
| You hire the servant of the people and not the other way around. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right? | ||
| So I understand why people were so extreme in support of Trump and not criticizing him, especially during his election, because it was a do or die situation. | ||
| But now I think the people that are very pro-Trump should start criticizing him, making sure he keeps his promises, making sure he doesn't become a problem for the people. | ||
| As for the people in Europe right now, I'd say save your criticism. | ||
| I know that sounds bad, but it's a do or die situation in my opinion. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you think the days of the old school politician are pretty much over? | ||
| I mean, you know, I heard just this morning that now Oprah is considering running in 2020 so we could have Oprah versus Trump because Hillary versus Trump wasn't enough for us. | ||
| You know, just that, you know, all of these people, they seem to be larger than life now. | ||
| That just a guy who really understood government, who really maybe worked in the private sector and was a decent home person and good family, why would you ever wanna get into politics, number one? | ||
| But number two, you just never have a chance because the machine now wants something that's so much bigger. | ||
| Well, I think what you're going to see now, absolutely, I agree, the old politician is going to be gone because you're seeing people shocked that Trump is following through with his policies that he presented. | ||
| Like, he's actually building the wall? | ||
| What? | ||
| Politicians don't do that. | ||
| They don't keep their promises. | ||
| What is this, right? | ||
| And I think the left are going to be like, we want a politician like that too. | ||
| We want someone that's going to keep their promises. | ||
| And the right in other countries are going to be like, wow. | ||
| That's really cool. | ||
| He's doing what he said he was going to do. | ||
| We want that. | ||
| And they're starting to see the model for how that works. | ||
| They're starting to be able to call out the kind of polished establishment. | ||
| They can tell who is who. | ||
| They can tell who is being honest with them. | ||
| And hopefully, hopefully that does kind of kill the old style politician because it was getting pretty, pretty effing sad. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So is this just not a time for a libertarian? | ||
| So for someone like you that I think has more libertarian leanings, the things that you're talking about, if you're talking about really the border stuff and all that, it's not really libertarian. | ||
| Like you need a strong government to do a lot of that stuff. | ||
| So does that separate your ideals from just the immediacy of now? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Freedom is not free. | ||
| It has to be defended. | ||
| And my ideal society is one without a government. | ||
| That would be so cool. | ||
| Is that going to happen in real life? | ||
| No, it's utopian. | ||
| I'm not going to live in a world where I'm going to be with... book club Puritans piss me off so much. | ||
| They'll just yell at you. | ||
| You're a statist. | ||
| Well, how are you helping the real world, dude? | ||
| Like, what kind of policies are you implementing? | ||
| Sorry, Gary Johnson is not going to win the election. | ||
| That's a fact, right? | ||
| And you can't just disassemble everything. | ||
| I'm a classical liberal, but I have a lot of libertarian leanings, but you can't just magically make all these things go away and expect the wheels to not come off and have a massive implosion. | ||
| No one's going to come in and say, hey, I want this country. | ||
| Or enough immigrants are going to come in and say, hey, let's make our own government. | ||
| The freedoms have to be defended. | ||
| And if you get enough people in your country that start immigrating there because you have open borders or whatever that hate freedom, well, they're going to elect a very authoritarian government. | ||
| So yeah, you need borders to defend. | ||
| You need a very, very strong culture of freedom, first of all. | ||
| And you need to defend that culture and make sure people assimilate to that culture when they come into the country because as soon as the freedom lovers are overrun by the people who want authoritarian, far more authoritarian governments, they're going to elect them. | ||
| You can't have... | ||
| You can't have a very, very extremist, libertarian, purist society and democracy at the same time. | ||
| You can't have open borders and democracy at the same time. | ||
| You'll see corporations importing voters to vote for the politician that supports them. | ||
| It would be insanity. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And democracy is not going away anytime soon in the West, so sorry like purists, it's just, you gotta work within the system you've got. | ||
| And there are people like Maxime Bernier in Canada who's, they call him a libertarian in the mainstream media. | ||
| He's got extremely libertarian policies, but he understands that the borders need to be protected because we live in a democracy. | ||
| So there are logical ways to reduce the state overreach, but stay in the realm of reality or we're gonna have a bad time. | ||
| A reality libertarian, I guess, is what we're talking about. | ||
| Yeah, sure, that works. | ||
| It's not that catchy. | ||
| And I think that nationalism is one of the best ways to oppose big government, because it's saying, bring things back, bring things back. | ||
| And the more people get nationalist, the more and more nationalist they get. | ||
| Because family is such a small unit, but it's the first nationalist unit. | ||
| I'm going to feed my kids before I feed someone else's kids, otherwise my kids will die, and so will my family line with it. | ||
| The same goes for Your city, your province, your country. | ||
| If you don't help them first, then, and you start giving all your money away, well, your country dies, and so does its future. | ||
| So you need to support the nationalist units. | ||
| So take away from, back up from the UN, back up from the EU. | ||
| Focus on your nation, and then back up from the state. | ||
| Focus on your province. | ||
| Focus on, get it closer and closer to the individual. | ||
| You gonna run for politics one day? | ||
| Run for office? | ||
| I did when I was 19 for the Libertarian Party, of course. | ||
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Really? | |
| I didn't get very many votes because I was running for the Libertarians, but... I don't know, it's such a toxic environment, the people in it. | ||
| I mean, you know you're in the area, but it's so toxic. | ||
| Maybe one day, I'm very young, so I've got the whole world ahead of me. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Well, I'm glad that we finally did this. | ||
| I think it was long overdue, and I didn't look down once, which I always say is the mark of a good interview. | ||
| So thanks for coming in, and you guys can follow Loren right on the Twitter. | ||
| It's Loren underscore Saturn. |
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