Feb. 3, 2017 - Rubin Report - Dave Rubin
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| All right, we have to talk about the so-called Muslim ban today. | ||
| Before I say anything else I want to be absolutely 100% crystal clear on one simple fact. | ||
| I am completely and fervently against any ban on immigrants based solely on their religion, whatever that religion may be. | ||
| I will always judge people as individuals, not as the collective, and I certainly don't plan on stopping that now as this fight over refugees and immigration is just heating up. | ||
| Within any group there are subgroups of people, and often it's these very subgroups that contain the most vulnerable populations such as free thinkers, gays and atheists. | ||
| So just so the trolls get it absolutely right, I, Dave Rubin, am 100% against any blanket ban which targets all Muslim people and I would feel exactly the same way if it was targeting any other religion. | ||
| OK, so we know that this refugee issue is one of the topics where no matter what anyone says, and definitely in my case, I'm going to get hate from both the extreme left and the extreme right. | ||
| Actually, the more hate that I get from both sides, the more I realize that I'm doing the right thing because nuance, honesty and logic are completely lost. | ||
| on those who stay on the dogmatic fringes. | ||
| So before I share my thoughts, I thought it would be important that we actually separate | ||
| some facts from fiction and discuss what's actually in Trump's executive order. | ||
| I've got the whole text of the order right here and yeah, I actually read the whole thing | ||
| unlike most of the people screaming about it online. | ||
| So despite what the hashtag on Twitter might tell you, this is not a Muslim ban. | ||
| First off, the word Muslim isn't in the text of the order, not even once, and you'd think that if you were exclusively trying to ban people of one religion from entering the country, you'd have to cite which religion you're talking about. | ||
| Secondly, and perhaps more importantly, the ban doesn't include any of the five most populous Muslim countries, Indonesia, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Nigeria. | ||
| So if this was exclusively a Muslim ban, it does stand to reason it would include these nations, which add up to roughly 750 million people. | ||
| So if it's a Muslim ban, it's excluding more than half of the Muslims in the world. | ||
| This doesn't mean that there aren't some valid questions about the list of countries which are banned, as well as some glaring omissions in this executive order. | ||
| The 7 countries listed in the order are Syria, Libya, Sudan, Iran, Yemen, Somalia and Iraq. | ||
| All of these countries are involved in heavy sectarian violence, some of which is a direct result of American intervention without question. | ||
| To be clear though, no major terrorist attack has happened on American soil from anyone from these 7 countries currently on the banned list. | ||
| At the same time, there are omissions on the list, most notably Saudi Arabia, which 19 of the 21 9-11 hijackers were from. | ||
| The argument I've heard on this is that the ban applies to current conflict zones, and as odious as the Saudi government may be, the country isn't a war zone. | ||
| I don't really see how this is related to whether extremists are coming out of the country, but that seems to be the argument being made. | ||
| There are also many questions as to whether Trump's business ties in countries like Turkey and Saudi Arabia were at least part of the reason they were left off the list. | ||
| We know for a fact that Turkey is letting ISIS fighters into Europe through its borders, and we know that Saudi Arabia is home to the world's most fervent strain of Sunni Wahhabism. | ||
| So, a quick recap so far. | ||
| We have a ban on nationals from countries which are currently hotbeds for terrorism, though the list is incomplete at best and arbitrary or ill-conceived at worst. | ||
| Up next is whether this is an actual ban or not. | ||
| From reading the document, and again, I read it, as well as analysis from other sources that I generally trust, there is no way that this order, at the moment, as it is written right now, is some kind of permanent ban on people from the countries listed. | ||
| It's a 90 day ban on people from those 7 countries and a total temporary stop of our refugee admission system for 120 days so the vetting system and other processes can be reviewed. | ||
| The one exception to this temporary stop is for Syrian refugees who are being banned indefinitely. | ||
| Perhaps this will lead to Trump trying to actually ban all foreign nationals from these countries or even expanding it to other countries, but at the moment It's a temporary ban while we figure out what's going on at our borders. | ||
| Simply put, whether you like it or not, this is one of the promises Trump made during the campaign season. | ||
| If at the end of 120 days we have a stronger vetting process, not based on blanket bigotry, but rather on informed decisions about each person individually, then we can finally start to have an honest discussion about how many refugees we can or should let in. | ||
| On the extremes we now have people calling for totally open borders, which is national suicide, and we also have other people calling for zero immigration, which is the antithesis of what America stands for. | ||
| Another important piece of the order is the deference that's being given to religious minorities who are under persecution. | ||
| I find the anger against this quite confusing. | ||
| The left is supposed to be for minorities, but in this case, giving priority to Yazidis, Kurds, Christians and others who are being wiped out as we speak is somehow being flipped as if this is supposedly anti-Muslim. | ||
| The truth is that these religious minorities are the most vulnerable communities in the entire Middle East. | ||
| It doesn't matter if you're a believer or a non-believer to understand that protecting the most at risk is the right thing to do. | ||
| An interesting point to add here is that the Obama administration let in 12,000 Muslims from Syria in 2016, but only 100 Christian refugees. | ||
| I don't know the reasoning behind this policy, but where was the outrage when Obama left Christians behind if this current outrage is really about protecting minorities who are in harm's way? | ||
| The order also limits the amount of refugees to 50,000 per year, which is basically in line with where we've been at over the past 15 years or so. | ||
| For example, in 2003, 2006 and 2007 we admitted less than 50,000 refugees per year under George W. Bush. | ||
| Obama bumped that up a bit to 70,000 people in the last two years of his administration, but in the previous three years before that he was right around that 50,000 mark as well. | ||
| Without getting too lost in the numbers here, the point is that Trump's proposal isn't far off of previous administrations, especially if you remove the little bump under the last two years of Obama. | ||
| Of course you can argue that American action or inaction in Syria has led to many of these refugees in the first place. | ||
| So again, where was the outrage when we were dropping bombs, not just temporarily limiting refugees? | ||
| Of course the last few years also coincide with a jump in worldwide jihad, especially in countries which have taken in many refugees. | ||
| I think if you could ask the people of Germany, France and Belgium if they might rethink some of their immigration policies over the past few years, there would probably be a resounding yes. | ||
| These countries now have to deal with homegrown terror as well as the influx of refugees which has created a new set of problems both economically and culturally. | ||
| None of this is a reason not to let sensible amounts of properly vetted refugees in, but it does lend credence to a temporary pause while we figure out if our vetting system is effective and sensible. | ||
| The rollout of this order was no doubt absolutely chaotic and confusing, but I'm not sure if any real change to our system could be done without a certain amount of chaos and confusion, especially because of a media that thrives on emotion over fact. | ||
| Finally, there also seems to be some confusion as to whether people who currently reside in the United States with green cards from these 7 countries would be able to come back to the country after leaving. | ||
| At first it sounds like they wouldn't have been allowed to get back in, then it sounded like they could get back in, and now it sounds like it'll be done on a case by case basis. | ||
| For example, my friend and former guest Faisal Saeed Al Mutar, who is a refugee from Iraq who now lives in America and has devoted his life to fighting Islamism and for secularism, could possibly be locked out of the country if he was to go do a speaking gig in Canada with my friend and former guest Ali Rizvi, a Muslim reformer himself. | ||
| This portion of the order still seems to be in flux, which is evidence of an unprepared rollout. | ||
| Of course this is 2017 and unfortunately facts seem to take a backseat to fiction and hysteria at every turn. | ||
| So some protesters are protesting without really knowing what's going on at all. | ||
| New York Senator Chuck Schumer is crying and talking about a Muslim ban when he must know full well that that isn't what this is. | ||
| People are now either drinking more Starbucks or boycotting Starbucks because Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz said he would hire 10,000 refugees. | ||
| Elon Musk, who publicly offered on Twitter to take people's concerns directly to Trump, is being attacked by people as if he's enabling a Nazi. | ||
| As I predicted a few weeks ago, misguided outrage is taking the place of real discussion. | ||
| So when politicians scream about a Muslim ban, which this is not, it feeds the fire to Trump to do whatever he wants because no matter what he does, he knows they are going to be outraged. | ||
| This is why the regressive left and the Trumpian right are a match made in hell for each other. | ||
| We have one side which refuses to debate Islamism and immigration honestly, and another side that will be all too happy to circumvent our intended legislative process with the stroke of a pen. | ||
| If you value liberty over authoritarianism, then neither one of these positions is tenable. | ||
| In an effort to make sense of some of the madness surrounding this executive order, I have a few interesting conversations planned for this week, and I also want to share two articles by people I truly respect, though they are often at opposite ends of the political spectrum. | ||
| Below you can find links to an article Ben Shapiro wrote about the executive order, as well as a blog post by Sam Harris. | ||
| In addition to those sources, in case you missed it, I did a live stream with Faisal yesterday, who is directly affected by this order, and you can find a link to that below as well. | ||
| And finally, my guest this week is no stranger to controversy himself, and also someone who often finds himself in the crosshairs of people on both extremes. | ||
| Glenn Beck will be joining me in studio today to discuss refugees, Trumpism, the modern conservative movement, online media and more. | ||
| I agree with Glenn on some issues and disagree with him on some others, but I generally find | ||
| him to be willing to have the hard conversations which right now we need more than ever. | ||
| Glenn Beck, welcome to The Rubin Report. | ||
| How are ya? | ||
| I'm doing well. | ||
| We just chatted for two or three minutes before we started. | ||
| You are one of these guys that you just say the name Glenn Beck, you just say your name, people go completely bananas. | ||
| One way or another. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How does that feel? | ||
| I don't deserve either of them. | ||
| I don't deserve the vitriolic hate and I don't deserve the adoration. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| Because A, I don't feel like I deserve either of them. | ||
| But I'm willing to take the bad. | ||
| I'm willing to... | ||
| Sit and listen to the people who have the bad to say about me, because some of it I understand their perspective, some of it I made huge mistakes, just wrong on, but I'm willing to take my share of what we're now living, and in hopes that other people will go, okay, wait a minute, what have I done? | ||
| Even just a Facebook post. | ||
| What am I doing to contribute to the incivility that we have? | ||
| I had a bigger platform, but we all have one. | ||
| Yeah, well I'm glad you mentioned a Facebook post, because now we live in a time where if someone absolutely hates you, or absolutely loves you, and as you said, you may not deserve either one of those, they can get to you immediately. | ||
| Isn't that great? | ||
| Is that great, or is it maddening? | ||
| Or it's both, probably. | ||
| No, if it's reasoned, it's fantastic. | ||
| I mean, I've done radio, this is In March will be my 40th year in broadcast. I've done it | ||
| for 40 years When I did it to get into radio you had to have a test and | ||
| get a license I mean it was it was hard to get a job and there's only a | ||
| small pool of people that could do it now Everybody has the same voice | ||
| If you have something that is appealing, there's no gates you have to go through. | ||
| You can now write the president. | ||
| You can tweet. | ||
| He might read it and retweet it. | ||
| So everybody has the opportunity to have their voice heard that is miraculous and a chance for me to write to the president or to Elon Musk or anybody and have them respond to me is truly remarkable. | ||
| What we're missing is but because you have that power it also requires responsibility and uh... because I did radio for forty years and my Radio worldview was really shaped during the beginnings of Howard Stern. | ||
| And I mean the early Washington before anybody knew him, Howard Stern. | ||
| I was raised in that era of stunting and, you know, entertainment. | ||
| And what I did was I mixed the two. | ||
| Trouble, trouble. | ||
| And I didn't see a problem. | ||
| It was a natural evolution. | ||
| That has taught a whole generation of, that's the way you do it. | ||
| Not good. | ||
| I remember watching you when you were on Fox News, and you have the board, and you're drawing arrows everywhere, talking about the government's this, and God's here, and people are replacing government, and blah, blah, blah, blah, and all this stuff. | ||
| And I remember being half entertained, Half, I was like, wow, this guy is nuts. | ||
| I can't believe this is on television. | ||
| And then half going, there's actual information here. | ||
| So when you started doing that stuff, was that really the goal? | ||
| Like, I'm gonna do a little bit of everything. | ||
| And then we'll figure out what the sauce is. | ||
| So my job, as I saw it, was to get ratings. | ||
| That's my job, to get ratings. | ||
| People forget that. | ||
| That should be overlooked. | ||
| At the end of the day, you have to get ratings, you have to get clicks. | ||
| How many people now keep checking their Facebook page to see how many likes they get? | ||
| I mean, moms at home, how many likes do I get? | ||
| It's the same thing. | ||
| And if you're not careful, you'll find yourself caught up in those likes. | ||
| Early in my life out being an alcoholic before I sobered up I do anything for a rating point that Drove me rating point success money fame. | ||
| Yeah, I crashed Thank God for that crash or I would have Probably still be at Fox and I'd be a monster but the crash taught me that That can help you on goals. | ||
| Don't let it control you. | ||
| So yes, my first priority, my job, was to get ratings. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But that was just a vehicle for me to be able to have my point of view and perspective. | ||
| And my perspective was the early 20th century progressive is extraordinarily dangerous. | ||
| You may not be that person today, But the roots are this, and some are still those people. | ||
| And that's what you were drawing, really, a lot, often, talking about the role of government. | ||
| A lot of the things that I discuss on this show, you were saying, it starts here, and this is where it's going to end. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| To, you know, I did like three shows on Woodrow Wilson, and they were number one. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Beating Primetime. | ||
| I did Hayek a whole, I think a week on Hayek, which put Road to Serfdom back on the top 10 New York Times bestseller list. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it was a rating success. | ||
| So my job was, how do I make it interesting, make it fun, make it entertaining? | ||
| Really teach something that no one else says can be taught on TV. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How many of the people, as someone that's been in cable news, now you're on the frontier of the digital stuff, how many people that we actually watch in cable news do you really think know what they're talking about? | ||
| This is something that I'm finding more and more often. | ||
| There are so few people when I turn on the television, any of the cable news channels especially, but I think this person really is sort of intellectually honest or really Most of them are television people. | ||
| You remember the lady Paula Zahn? | ||
| that stuff or are they just television people and we should just view them that way? | ||
| Most of them are television people. | ||
| You remember the lady Paula Zahn? | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
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| This is early on in my career and who was it? | ||
| Anna Nicole Smith. | ||
| Remember she committed suicide? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I was the first on every producer's Rolodex to call when there was a suicide, because I have suicide in my family, and alcoholism. | ||
| Call Glenn Beck! | ||
| He knows! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Strange thing to have on your resume. | ||
| I know, I know. | ||
| But it used to happen every time a star would off themselves or have a drug problem. | ||
| You know, Robert Downey, quit it, call Glenn! | ||
| And so, she didn't really know who I was, she just knew that I knew about alcoholism and I was an alcoholic. | ||
| And her question was so insipid, it was, what could we have done to prevent this? | ||
| As an alcoholic, nothing. | ||
| Everybody has their own bottom, nothing. | ||
| But, I'll never forget, I started talking about My mother. | ||
| She asked some question and it got to my mother's suicide. | ||
| And I had not talked about it on National Airwaves. | ||
| And when we were talking and I was trying to really explain to her that what alcoholism really is to me, that it's not something that somebody can talk you out of. | ||
| She had no interest. | ||
| It was like a fog. | ||
| The minute I started talking about my suicide, or my mother's suicide, I saw her eyes all of a sudden, like the gears went, he might cry. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Ratings. | ||
| Oh, she was locked in interested, but only to try to make me cry to get a ratings point. | ||
| It was so crazy and awful, and I remember walking off feeling dirty, and I have met very few, I could count them on one hand, Very few truly intellectually curious and honest. | ||
| I think the only one that I can say is intellectually curious and really tries to be intellectually honest is Anderson Cooper. | ||
| Guy I don't agree with, but I get along with really well. | ||
| He really tries, really tries to get it right. | ||
| I don't think he does, but he tries, and it bothers him when he doesn't. | ||
| We don't have to do the Rolodex of all the people, but I'm curious what you think about Don Lemon. | ||
| He's a friend of mine, he's been on the show. | ||
| I saw you guys together. | ||
| You did, I think, back-to-back nights, what was it, about a year ago, right? | ||
| and you guys really, whatever. | ||
| Trust me, you did something with him about a year ago. | ||
| But I thought it was really great because it wasn't gotcha news. | ||
| It was a little more of what I try to do here, which is a decent talk from people | ||
| that may or may not have different perspectives. | ||
| So you think basically he's sort of in that group? | ||
| Yeah, I think I-- | ||
| Don't worry, I'm not gonna get into it. | ||
| I don't know him. | ||
| Like I know Anderson personally. | ||
| And so I don't know Don personally. | ||
| I know him on the air, and I know when he's on with me, it's always intellectually curious and intellectually honest, which I really find Really rare, really rare. | ||
| Is intellectual honesty, it's really rare, but I mean, is it like, it's so not rewarded anymore. | ||
| I mean, this is what we were talking about right before we started, that people forget, these politicians, these news people, they forget we have YouTube. | ||
| We can now watch you say the exact reverse thing. | ||
| And that's the question, does anyone even care, or does everyone just pick their side and that's it? | ||
| So you just go wherever the wind takes you. | ||
| I don't know, I mean, the root word of civilization is civil. | ||
| And to be civil, you have to have intellectual honesty. | ||
| You have to be able to say, I'm sorry. | ||
| You have to be able to say, I was wrong. | ||
| You also have to sit there and listen when somebody else is being wrong and give them the opportunity to say, sorry, that was wrong. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| We're in a phase right now, and I think it's just a phase. | ||
| If it doesn't destroy us, it might. | ||
| You know, we might be at the circus and cakes part of the empire. | ||
| But if it doesn't destroy us, it will return. | ||
| One way or another. | ||
| Even if it destroys us, it will return. | ||
| And that's why I think right now, it's important for people to stand up. | ||
| To do what you're doing. | ||
| That's not popular. | ||
| It's not popular. | ||
| You're pissing off the people that used to know you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Correct me if I'm wrong. | ||
| No, they're pissed at me. | ||
| Yeah, right. | ||
| A certain amount of them. | ||
| Have you changed? | ||
| No. | ||
| Or have you held on to the same principles and the world has moved? | ||
| You know, it's so funny. | ||
| I keep saying that My liberal principles are now becoming a conservative position, and I think I've had a little bit of an evolution. | ||
| I'm probably a little more small government than I used to be, but the basic liberal tenets that I've had are the exact same things that I had probably literally 20 years ago. | ||
| When you say liberal, do you mean classic liberal? | ||
| I mean classical liberal, not progressive. | ||
| And I go out of my way every week to try to explain the difference of that. | ||
| And unfortunately the word liberal has just been mangled to the point where people don't understand what that is anymore. | ||
| By the progressives, for a reason. | ||
| To take the individual freedom chair away from the table. | ||
| If you look at the early progressive movement with Wilson and, oh god here I go, | ||
| with Wilson and Theodore Roosevelt, they both believed in the big state. | ||
| Where does the person who says no I don't want state, both parties said no it's state. | ||
| It's either, and this is before these took on dirty names, it's either fascism or communism. | ||
| Which one is it? | ||
| Fascism or communism? | ||
| That was the argument. | ||
| And the people that said, no, no, no, constitutionalism, individual freedom, my own choice, my own way of doing it. | ||
| No! | ||
| So FDR co-opted the word liberal Named the right conservative and that took the conservative that said, I believe in the Constitution, I'm conserving man's freedom, I'm a classic liberal. | ||
| It made that go away. | ||
| Took that choice away. | ||
| So now we have to do the opposite of what the progressives did and retrain people to say no. | ||
| They hijacked those words to take what we all It's so amazing, these words never, they always just sounded nice, but they have never rung as real to me as they do now. | ||
| There are some things that we find self-evident. | ||
| That all men are created equal, and they have certain rights, and they're life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. | ||
| It doesn't belong to the government. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It also doesn't belong to any other nation, which is interesting. | ||
| Nobody has that, the pursuit of happiness written in their constitution. | ||
| I mean, we have that. | ||
| We haven't always lived up to it in terms of equality and the rest of that, but it's a pretty good system. | ||
| The pursuit of happiness is one that I think Thomas Jefferson would have argued harder against had he known how it would be twisted. | ||
| Because he originally wrote it, life, liberty, and property. | ||
| But because they were anti-slavery, they knew if you put property there, Then it's going to be taken for the slaves. | ||
| They'll say, the South, slaves, these are property. | ||
| It's guaranteed right here. | ||
| It's in the Declaration of Independence, our founding document. | ||
| So they changed it to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. | ||
| Imagine if that word would have been just left alone and been property. | ||
| We're a million miles away from that. | ||
| No man has the right to take anything from me. | ||
| I love that you mentioned Thomas Jefferson because I think he's the best example of someone that lived in a time Where what they believed in didn't quite match up to their life. | ||
| So this is a guy, I was at Monticello about a year ago, I've told the story a couple times, where they give you the tour and they fully, I was incredibly impressed with what they do. | ||
| They admit he had slaves. | ||
| They admit that he slept with at least one slave. | ||
| That's dicey. | ||
| They pretty much admitted it. | ||
| I know, but you should ask them for the evidence because I think they mentioned her name. | ||
| Sally Hemings. | ||
| But that was proven for about three weeks and it was done by Joseph Ellis. | ||
| He misstated that they have his evidence that it could be one of 36 Jeffersons. | ||
| They need his actual DNA and it was known at the time that his brother, I think, was | ||
| sleeping with slaves. | ||
| So the paper evidence of the time shows that it was most likely his brother. | ||
| Joseph Ellison back in the 90s was the one who wrote the book American Sphinx and he | ||
| He said it was Thomas. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That was disproven three weeks later. | ||
| The genealogists came out and said, no, no, no, we didn't say that. | ||
| We said it could be one of 36 Jeffersons. | ||
| So there's still a... You should talk to the people over at Monticello because I think they're giving a less nuance. | ||
| But my point being that It shows how we all live in sort of conflicted lives. | ||
| That while he owned slaves, he was writing the laws to free slaves. | ||
| And yet he didn't free his slaves immediately. | ||
| But again, here's something we also leave out of the history books. | ||
| Thomas Jefferson went to Williamsburg several times to propose the legislation that you could release your slaves. | ||
| If you were in debt, which he was, I'm sure they told you about his wine collection. | ||
| If you were in debt, you could not free your slaves. | ||
| I think even upon death you couldn't do it. | ||
| They finally changed the death part, but that's why Washington and Jefferson were anti-slavery Having slaves. | ||
| Jefferson couldn't release them because of debt. | ||
| Washington did it because the law only allowed him to do it on death. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't even mention it to judge him in that way as much to show that we all live with strange forces. | ||
| We're all going to be remembered at this time. | ||
| There's going to be something. | ||
| I don't know what it is, but there's going to be something that they're going to go, what hypocrites? | ||
| We're doing the best we can. | ||
| You know, it's funny, Seinfeld is still my favorite sitcom of all time, and every night that I'm watching it, seven o'clock right before I have dinner, I'm watching it and I think, man, in 10 years, the pitchforks are gonna come after this show, because every episode dealt with some strange racial thing, or religious thing, or economic thing, or something, and it's like, that's my issue with the progressives now. | ||
| If you don't change the second they do, well, now you're a homophobe, you're a racist, you're a bigot, you're an Islamophobe, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| Let's put all that aside for a moment and start which was with the first question that I wanted to ask you. | ||
| Can I take on my own side on just that? | ||
| Please. | ||
| That happens on the right too. | ||
| Yeah, give me this. | ||
| It happens on the right too. | ||
| If you're not the right religion or you're not falling in the right box on X, Y, and Z. Rand Paul, a libertarian, pro-gay marriage. | ||
| I was, I can't say I was pro-gay marriage. | ||
| I'm pro- Do what you want to do. | ||
| You're pro-liberty. | ||
| I'm pro-liberty. | ||
| I am a religious guy who believes marriage is something between a man and a woman for the procreation of children. | ||
| That's what I believe. | ||
| You don't believe that? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| What's the problem? | ||
| So saying that to people on the right, there's a lot who are like, well then you're not a conservative. | ||
| Then you're not a Christian. | ||
| You're not this, you're not that. | ||
| We both do it. | ||
| We've got to stop it. | ||
| We gotta stop it. | ||
| Yeah, let's stay there for just a second because some of my critics will say that I focus too much on the left. | ||
| And what I always say is, well, I come from the left and I'm trying to clean up my house. | ||
| Everyone else is attacking the right. | ||
| Amen. | ||
| Take the beam out of your own eye. | ||
| I tried for a long time to tell progressives why they were wrong. | ||
| It doesn't work. | ||
| MSNBC built a whole network to tell conservatives how wrong they are. | ||
| It doesn't work. | ||
| I'm pretty sure that has not converted anyone. | ||
| I would argue it's probably converted people to be stronger conservatives in a lot of respects, because they turn it on and they go, wait a minute, this isn't true, or this, you know, whatever. | ||
| But what else can we hit the right on? | ||
| Like, not gotcha in a gotcha sense, but what else has the right sort of missed for you? | ||
| A lot. | ||
| You know, I don't, I've made a promise that I won't judge Donald Trump on what he, did during the election. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'll judge him now on his actions as president, but there's a lot I disagree with him on | ||
| that he said during the election, a lot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If he passes a 1.1 billion stimulus package, I might lose my mind. | ||
| Right, this is not a conservative idea to do that. | ||
| No. | ||
| In fact, I remember the Tea Party standing up and saying 780... I remember the number! | ||
| 787 billion dollar stimulus package? | ||
| Well, I got news for you! | ||
| Donald Trump's will be bigger! | ||
| And will you accept it? | ||
| Will you accept government taking money and then saying, I know what's best to do with it? | ||
| No! | ||
| There's that. | ||
| To watch people cheer. | ||
| The executive orders that keep coming out, that he's sitting there signing decrees like Caesar. | ||
| I had a problem with George W. Bush doing it. | ||
| I had a problem with Barack Obama. | ||
| I have a problem with this guy. | ||
| And has anybody noticed, they're getting worse. | ||
| They're grabbing more power. | ||
| We have to restore the constitutional balance of power. | ||
| Yeah, so that, there's video evidence of me saying the exact same thing, that I was against it when George W. did it, I was against when Obama did it, I'm against it now. | ||
| And this is the problem, that if we remove one of the three branches of government, if we just take the legislative branch out, and by the way, it's plenty, it's the fault of the Senate too, because they refuse to meet and do anything and all that stuff. | ||
| But that then we've ceded enough power to the president where people don't even understand civics anymore. | ||
| So he's just signing these things and everyone goes, oh, I guess that's how a law is made. | ||
| So the progressives started this by taking away the true nature of the Senate. | ||
| Remember, the Senate was elected originally. | ||
| The senators were picked. | ||
| by the states and the state legislatures. | ||
| So they were picked by the people who in their own state were greedy for their own state. | ||
| So they would guard the state. | ||
| You would argue that's a good thing? | ||
| That's a great thing. | ||
| So they were to guard the state. | ||
| Well the progressives took that away so now we have a hundred men who Well, I want to make sure that Schumer stays in or I want to make sure Ted Cruz stays in. | ||
| Well, you shouldn't have be connected unless you're in the state of Texas or in the state of New York. | ||
| So they changed that basic fundamental principle and then, most people don't know this, Do you know where the Supreme Court used to meet before FDR made this big edifice of the Supreme Court with the big columns and Moses up at the top? | ||
| Do you know where that used to be? | ||
| I didn't even know it met anywhere else, but I guess maybe somewhere in Boston? | ||
| That was built in the 1940s by Roosevelt. | ||
| The Supreme Court played such a small role that when they built the Capitol, they looked at each other and went, Crap, we forgot about the third branch. | ||
| They met until the 1940s in the basement of the Capitol, okay? | ||
| They were nothing. | ||
| They were just there to go, yep, constitutional, not constitutional. | ||
| But again, the progressives made them into this, to now, they're the final word. | ||
| Well, they can't be dictators, the president can't be a dictator, and neither can Congress. | ||
| Which is a beautiful system. | ||
| It's a beautiful system. | ||
| Nobody else has it. | ||
| But we're losing it. | ||
| I know we are. | ||
| We are absolutely losing it. | ||
| So, okay, so let's just talk about one of the executive orders, the one that everyone's going crazy about, the so-called Muslim ban. | ||
| Now I did a piece at the top of the show today talking about that this is not a Muslim ban because If you took the top five most populous Muslim countries. | ||
| They're not there. | ||
| Which it's almost 800 million people, they're not on there, including Indonesia and Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. | ||
| Now you could argue that certainly Saudi Arabia should be on the list and Pakistan probably too. | ||
| Yeah, for good reason. | ||
| Yeah, for good, because there's actually evidence that people have come out, right. | ||
| So okay, but putting that aside, the rhetoric around it, the immediate need for the hashtag Muslim ban. | ||
| Oh my gosh. | ||
| Chuck Schumer crying. | ||
| Talking about a Muslim ban. | ||
| Now, we've already agreed we don't like everything being done via executive action. | ||
| But what do you think about just the inability for us to tell the truth in what's happening? | ||
| That, okay, this may be misguided, but it's not a Muslim ban. | ||
| This gives me hope that America has a chance. | ||
| Sitting down with a guy who used to say he was a progressive, And have you say that is so powerful. | ||
| So powerful. | ||
| The problem is twofold. | ||
| First, thank you for being honest. | ||
| Thank you for having intellectual courage to say that. | ||
| It's funny, people always say it seems so rare or something and it's like, I didn't pick a team, I didn't pick, you know what I mean? | ||
| I was saying what I believed before and I'm saying what I believe now. | ||
| I'm sure I'll be wrong about things, but I'm a human. | ||
| But it will come with great cost. | ||
| It always does. | ||
| Read, I'll tell you after the show, but read a book called The Pendulum. | ||
| You'll understand what time period we're in. | ||
| It repeats itself every 80 years, all the way back to the beginning of time. | ||
| And it's a fascinating study on who we are and where we are, and why voices like yours are rare, and what usually happens to people like you. | ||
| You're telling me to retire early? | ||
| No, I'm telling you to stand strong, but it's just, it'll have a happy ending the next generation. | ||
| Oh, great. | ||
| You may not see the happy ending. | ||
| I just got a house, I built a studio. | ||
| I know, I know, it's nice too. | ||
| What are you doing to me? | ||
| So where were we, what were we talking about again? | ||
| Where did we go there? | ||
| Government, small government, oh man. | ||
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| You scared the hell out of me there. | ||
| So, two things happen. | ||
| First of all, when I heard the reporting on it, I was like, this is horrible. | ||
| This is so horrible. | ||
| He meant the Muslim ban? | ||
| I thought we weren't supposed to take him literally. | ||
| He meant the Muslim ban. | ||
| Then I go and I read the Muslim ban. | ||
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| Where did the Muslim ban come from? | ||
| Well, partially him. | ||
| Because as he's signing it, he's talking about banning Muslims. | ||
| What the hell are you doing? | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| I think he's either just so sloppy with his language, which is really easy to do, or he's sending a message to those people that did vote for him, who's like, yeah, I want you to ban all those Muslims. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know how big of a number that is. | ||
| So he started calling it a ban. | ||
| The press started calling it a ban. | ||
| So there's two sides. | ||
| One, he made the mistake of saying that. | ||
| If you want to be President of the United States, You have to be careful with your language. | ||
| I was sitting in with George W. Bush because I really disagreed with the way the war was being fought. | ||
| And he called me into the Oval Office and read me the Riot Act. | ||
| And he sat down, we sat in those two chairs by the fireplace, and he sat down and he said, you know, A lot of people think they know what it's like to be the President of the United States, but they have no fucking idea what it's like to be the President. | ||
| I was like, this is going to be the longest hour of my life. | ||
| Never heard him swear, never saw him angry. | ||
| He was pissed. | ||
| He said, let me tell you something. | ||
| And he started in on Five o'clock in the morning, he took phone calls. | ||
| He told me the names of the people that had died, where they died, what they were fighting for, what their parents said when he called them at seven that morning. | ||
| And then he told me about how the war was going. | ||
| And I said, and he was passionate. | ||
| He wasn't the, well, you know, a shoe. | ||
| He wasn't that guy. | ||
| And I said, no offense, Mr. President, But this is the guy that should be talking to the American people. | ||
| Where is all this? | ||
| He said, when you're president, just shifting your eyes is being watched by the Chinese, by your enemies, by your friends. | ||
| When you say something, and if you just shift your eyes, there is somebody in the world going, what does that mean? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He said you have to watch every single word you say. | ||
| Donald Trump needs to learn that lesson. | ||
| The same thing needs to be understood by the media. | ||
| They're not intellectually honest. | ||
| They're not intellectually curious. | ||
| Very few of them. | ||
| They also are sending a message to the entire world. | ||
| America hates Muslims. | ||
| America has gone insane. | ||
| America is not trustworthy. | ||
| They're both at fault. | ||
| They're both at fault. | ||
| So do we now have the perfect storm? | ||
| We have a guy that they've painted as Hitler versus a media that we know will not act honestly. | ||
| There are some actors within that that will act honestly. | ||
| But we have a perfect storm where no matter what he does they're gonna go nuts and no matter what they do he's gonna hate them. | ||
| So like we've created now a situation where it gets to what I first wanted to start with. | ||
| Have you ever seen a period of time in your life where everyone seems like they're going nuts at the same time? | ||
| Because that's what it seems like to me. | ||
| Everyone that I'm talking to, and everyone's saying it. | ||
| People are starting to say it to each other. | ||
| You feel like everyone's going crazy? | ||
| Oh yeah, everyone's going crazy. | ||
| I mean, there really seems to be like, I think this is what you're talking about with the 80 year thing, that there's like this sort of, we're pulling the string on the fabric of what keeps us together. | ||
| So let me give you one thing that might not make you feel good and then something that will make you feel good. | ||
| One, you say about Perfect Storm. | ||
| A reoccurring phrase on my show at Fox and the Chalkboard was Perfect Storm. | ||
| And it was a president that would happily decree things through executive order, a press that was completely either in the pocket or untrustworthy, and a people that were angry, and one more element, economic collapse. | ||
| If you put real economic depression-like hardships there, look out. | ||
| It's going to fall apart and it's going to get nasty ugly. | ||
| Now let me give you the part that'll make you feel good. | ||
| I don't know why. | ||
| But I feel a tremendous pull or calling to stand for people who are being persecuted one way or another. | ||
| I don't know how that plays out, but it's why I have said, it's why I stood with Bill Maher two weeks after 9-11. | ||
| He doesn't even know this. | ||
| Here I am, talk radio, right after 9-11. | ||
| It's not popular to stand with a guy who says, you know what, they're braver than our soldiers. | ||
| Not popular. | ||
| And he basically got fired for it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I stood with him saying, ABC, what part of the name politically incorrect don't you understand? | ||
| He has a right to say this. | ||
| So I try to stand with the people who are standing on principle and even if I disagree with them. | ||
| But this has manifested itself with me about five years ago. | ||
| I took my children to Auschwitz and I wanted my family to decide who we would be before any trouble would come. | ||
| And I said, someday I hope not, but history seems to repeat itself, and I feel like we're headed towards this where it's only heroes or villains, and depending on whose side wins, they're going to be villains. | ||
| And they could be the Japanese, they could be the Germans, they could be the Jews, they could be us. | ||
| Don't know. | ||
| But who are we going to be at that time? | ||
| So we went through Auschwitz, which was an amazing experience, and then I found a woman who was one of the righteous among the nations. | ||
| She was one who saved about a hundred Jews. | ||
| She was 16 at the time when she did it. | ||
| And her story is phenomenal. | ||
| But the last thing I asked her was, my kids and everybody had left, and I said to her, I'm on television and radio, and I believe these times are coming again. | ||
| I believe everybody has the seed of righteousness in us, but it has to be watered. | ||
| So I asked her, how can I water that tree of righteousness? | ||
| How can I water it in people to make it grow? | ||
| She said something that I thought was profound then, but as we are entering these times, how you just described it, it makes more sense than ever. | ||
| She said, You have to remember, you're looking at it from your time, not our time, not the time when I was doing it. | ||
| She said, the righteous didn't suddenly become righteous. | ||
| They weren't superheroes. | ||
| They just refused to go over the cliff with everyone else. | ||
| So you don't, we're in that time where everybody's like, oh my gosh, the world is going insane. | ||
| Yes, they're going over the cliff of insanity. | ||
| It's critical that you say, stop. | ||
| I'm not going there. | ||
| I won't go with you. | ||
| No matter how much you push, how much you shove, no matter how much anger you want to stir up in me, I won't go over the cliff with you. | ||
| You're going to end up being one of the righteous. | ||
| Remember it as one of the righteous. | ||
| Because you just stood in place and everybody else went nuts. | ||
| So how do we water that fertile ground? | ||
| Because I firmly believe that it exists. | ||
| And I see people from the left going, the left has gone bonkers, I'm moving to the center. | ||
| I see people saying, I don't like this authoritarian right, I'm moving to the center. | ||
| And I think there is incredible fertile ground for this. | ||
| But is this a new political movement? | ||
| Is this a political party? | ||
| Does it have to be everything at once? | ||
| Does it have to be a social movement and a political movement? | ||
| It needs to be a human movement. | ||
| I consider myself libertarian, classic liberal, better. | ||
| I have my belief. | ||
| And I kind of would characterize myself as an anti-progressive, meaning... | ||
| You can't, libertarians who say, no, you just gotta stop everything right now. | ||
| Well, you can't. | ||
| It's been 100 years to get here. | ||
| Right, these are the guys that argue about driver's licenses and it's like, come on guys. | ||
| It's like, stop it, stop it. | ||
| Yes, can we get there someday? | ||
| Yes, but we have to do it in the reverse. | ||
| This is a huge building that we have to take apart without scaring everyone and without, everything, the society collapsing. A lot of people are | ||
| dependent on this now. | ||
| Slowly dismantle and reverse. | ||
| Penn is, you know, an ant-heart, I mean a | ||
| I can't think of the word now. | ||
| now. | ||
| I know he's a magician. | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
| An anarchist, right? | ||
| Is he an anarchist, really? | ||
| I mean, I think of him as more of like just a pure libertarian, but there's that fine line. | ||
| He will say, yeah, he will say, I'm an anarchist. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You know, he's not really, but that's where his heart lives. | ||
| Just let's go. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| No rules. | ||
| Let's go. | ||
| He's a magician. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And we were talking about it and I said, you know, we disagree on a lot of stuff. | ||
| And he said, no Glenn, this is so important. | ||
| No, we actually don't. | ||
| You and I probably have a good 30 years of life left in us. | ||
| You and I could work together and walk down the line for 30 years dismantling this stuff before we have our first argument. | ||
| There's so much easy stuff that we all agree on. | ||
| That's what we have to focus on. | ||
| But that's not what drives money and clicks. | ||
| It's these big things. | ||
| Why don't we work on these first? | ||
| Let's come together on some pretty basic principles. | ||
| So what are some of those things that we could slowly untie? | ||
| So if you want the government to actually be smaller, if you want people to have more individual liberty, a little more money in their pocket, a little more control over their lives, what are the things that you can without destroying the system. | ||
| 'Cause now I sense there's people on both sides that want the whole system to blow up. | ||
| And I think for all its faults, it's a pretty damn good system. | ||
| I am convinced that if we could find a way to restate the Declaration of Independence | ||
| and the Constitution, we would be in almost full agreement with people. | ||
| It's just seems like old language now. | ||
| But if I could say to you, look, there are things that you and I and everybody watching us are all going to agree on. | ||
| I could wake them up in the dead of night and say, hey, man shouldn't be picked up in the middle of the night and enslaved without charges, right? | ||
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What? | |
| No! | ||
| Okay? | ||
| Everybody is the same, right? | ||
| I mean, it's what you create afterwards, but when you're born, every baby is exactly the same, right? | ||
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Yes! | |
| Let me go back to sleep! | ||
| That's self-evident. | ||
| We find certain things to be self-evident, okay? | ||
| Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. | ||
| We all agree on that. | ||
| Now, First Amendment. | ||
| I agree that the press should be free. | ||
| With that freedom comes responsibility, but that's their job, not the government's job. | ||
| They must try to be responsible. | ||
| Freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom to defend yourself. | ||
| This one would be a little harder because there are a lot of people who are against guns, but if you state it this way, where do laws come from? | ||
| If somebody says the government Then we have to have another remedial conversation. | ||
| Who gives the government power? | ||
| And how can I, if I don't have the right, would it be right if I moved into a neighborhood and somebody down the street was doing all these, just making tons of money, and I got all the neighbors to get together and I said, you know what? | ||
| He's got too much. | ||
| I love his car. | ||
| Don't you guys love his car? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Shouldn't we have a bit of his car? | ||
| Be able to take his car one day a week? | ||
| He can have it one day a week. | ||
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| I appoint you. | ||
| I'm gonna give you this badge. | ||
| You go over and tell him. | ||
| Why is that wrong? | ||
| Because the people in the neighborhood don't have the right themselves to take it. | ||
| You can't appoint somebody and give them a badge and say, oh, you now go take it. | ||
| You can't do that. | ||
| Because he has the right to his stuff, his property, his happiness. | ||
| When it comes to guns, no one, if I told you a story that this guy, and he's a really nice guy, he's wonderful, everybody loved him, He's Robin Williams, okay? | ||
| A guy, no one can say anything bad about Robin Williams, right? | ||
| And I tell you this story that Robin Williams went into the woods and he was tracking baby bears and he went into a cave and he saw this cute little baby bear and mom was sleeping over the side and he picked up that baby bear and here's Robin Williams just hugging and saying sweet things to this baby bear. | ||
| Then mom got up and killed Robin Williams! | ||
| Would we say, that damn bear? | ||
| Or would we say, what the hell is wrong with Robert Williams? | ||
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Right? | |
| Natural right to protect yourself. | ||
| If we can just have a conversation about, government shouldn't spy, should the government spy on people? | ||
| No. | ||
| Those things we can connect on, that's what makes us American. | ||
| That's what makes us great. | ||
| is that we have natural rights, and I have no right to take that from you. | ||
| I have no right to tell you how to live your life, how to conduct your life, what to believe in, | ||
| what not to believe in, no right. | ||
| No church can tell you that. | ||
| No atheist can tell a church that. | ||
| You have no right. | ||
| Let's leave each other alone, not steal each other's stuff, | ||
| and be good to one another. | ||
| I think I finally understand what you were drawing on the board now. | ||
| (laughing) | ||
| 10 years later, I think-- | ||
| See? - I think I got it. | ||
| So what would you say then to the people who would say, but, they could say, okay, I hear ya. | ||
| I got liberty, I got individualism, I get that, but the way the system is now, the people at the top just keep getting more and the people at the bottom keep getting screwed. | ||
| How do you reconcile that with Okay, so here's the problem that I have had for the longest time, and it took somebody from the Ayn Rand Center to, which I disagree with Ayn Rand on selfishness, okay, me personally. | ||
| Yeah, I've had several of them on. | ||
| Yeah, so, and I've said, okay, help me out because the progressive movement started with, there are some people the robber barons that strangely how come all of our | ||
| libraries and art museums are named after these robber barons. | ||
| Right. | ||
| These robber barons. | ||
| The Koch brothers fund the you know, the Lincoln Center. | ||
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| Right, and they're against Donald Trump. | ||
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| Anyway, so there comes a time when people get so rich and so powerful, George Soros, | ||
| and they begin to affect policy. | ||
| I was with a billionaire in Texas who will remain nameless, but a name everybody knows. | ||
| And I just moved to Texas, and he calls me up and he said, hey, I want to show you a part of the community, because we were thinking about building studios. | ||
| I want to show you a part of Texas you need to see. | ||
| So he took me up his helicopter, and he's showing me this land. | ||
| And he owns, I don't know how many acres. | ||
| It goes on and on and on and on, as far as you can see. | ||
| And he said, Here's the airport that I just built and see the corridor is coming through here and this highway, this little dirt road, this highway is actually going to link up and that's why I built the houses so far away because there's an actual, you know, ten-lane highway that's coming here. | ||
| There's nothing there. | ||
| And I've already laid the fiber and blah blah blah blah blah. | ||
| And as he's telling me this I'm thinking to myself, well this is how the rich get richer. | ||
| Because he's gone to the government of Texas and said, look, Where are you going to build the highways? | ||
| And if I made a case to you that you should build it here, you know, build your highway here because I'm going to provide all this infrastructure. | ||
| And so a deal's made, whether it's a clean out in the open deal or behind the door deal. | ||
| Or just through lobbyists. | ||
| Just that I'm paying lobbyists to convince you. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| Somehow or another, that deal's being made. | ||
| So they affect our lives. | ||
| There is no freedom when somebody's up at the top going, hey, we're going to do this. | ||
| So how do you solve that? | ||
| The only way to solve that, because that's the real problem when somebody else is starting to graft the government, is to dismantle the size of the government and to bar any influence from them. | ||
| They can contribute all they want, but if there's a quid pro quo at all, Over. | ||
| Jail time. | ||
| Should be the worst crime. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| So is that the irony of Trump? | ||
| That Trump now, because this is so over the top, I now see progressives for the first time arguing for states' rights. | ||
| He's only been in office for a week and suddenly they're going, whoa, whoa, whoa, the president has this much power? | ||
| We better get some power back to the states. | ||
| This is a beautiful thing. | ||
| And this goes to where we started also about how everyone's picking a team, but you can't pick a team, you have to pick a principle. | ||
| Because otherwise you're just going to be arguing the complete reverse of what you argued six months ago. | ||
| So in a weird way, could Trump end up smashing some of the stuff that you hate on the left just by doing stuff that you don't want him to do, authoritarian stuff you don't want him to do from the right? | ||
| Only for the intellectually honest. | ||
| The progressives exist and I wrote a book called Liars and Trump is on the cover. | ||
| And so is Hillary Clinton. | ||
| And so is Woodrow Wilson and Theodore Roosevelt. | ||
| It's a book about progressives. | ||
| It doesn't matter what side they're on. | ||
| This is their view and historically here's how they get it. | ||
| So there is a difference. | ||
| So many people call themselves progressives and they're not Like the actual progressives who know what that system is. | ||
| A progressive into what was called in the 1940s after Roosevelt by Stuart Chase, System X. Because communism had been discredited and so had fascism. | ||
| But they knew they wanted to have big government, so it's System X. Those people are dangerous. | ||
| But the people who are like, I really care about the planet, so do I. I really care about children and education, so do I. I care that the rich don't have a double standard, believe me, so do I. That everybody has access, not equal outcome, but access, so do I. | ||
| If those people come together, if that is indeed the center of this country, we're going to, coupled with Silicon Valley and what's happening now with technology, we're going to be the source of freedom for more people than the history of the world combined. | ||
| More people will be free because of the true American idea. | ||
| Coupled with this technology, world changes forever in great ways. | ||
| If we fail, the world goes into profound darkness like I can't even imagine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You scared the hell out of me before, then you bet it was positive, and then you gave me a little caveat at the end. | ||
| We only have like four minutes left because you have a hard out here, but I suspect we're gonna do this again one way or another. | ||
| Give me just one to just wrap this whole thing up. | ||
| Can you think of one person in your life that you really took from ideas that that were rotting them, that you got to some clarity and someone that you just couldn't get. | ||
| Do you have two examples of that? | ||
| What do you mean, rotting them? | ||
| You know, of the ideas of progressivism or all of this stuff, all of these ideas that you were so against. | ||
| Is there anyone that you really brought around that you felt, this is how you do it? | ||
| Because that's what people ask me all the time. | ||
| How do you take someone, if they're so entrenched in these ideas, how do you actually get them out of it? | ||
| And is there someone that you ever just completely miss, that you just, maybe that you're fighting with now that you just can't? | ||
| No, I never saw it that way. | ||
| Maybe perhaps that's why I was so ineffective on it. | ||
| I never saw it that way. | ||
| I will tell you that now I'm having tremendous success, but it's not me. | ||
| It's a two-way street. | ||
| And the secret is, I think, and I hate to say this because it sounds like the opposite of it, but humility. | ||
| And what I mean by that is a willingness to say, yep, you got me. | ||
| I was wrong on that. | ||
| Really wrong. | ||
| And I felt bad. | ||
| And here's my change. | ||
| And here's why. | ||
| And if you believe me, great. | ||
| If you don't, then you shouldn't trust me. | ||
| Let me pause you there for a sec. | ||
| Because sometimes I see you do that on television. | ||
| I even saw you do it a little bit with Tucker just a couple weeks ago. | ||
| And when I've seen it, there's almost like a knee-jerk response. | ||
| I go, wow, no one does that. | ||
| No one does that. | ||
| I mean, I do it here, but no one on television, because everyone on television pretends they know everything all the time. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that's dangerous. | ||
| That's really dangerous. | ||
| And that's why I say humble, because you have to be humble enough to say, I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| And I don't. | ||
| If I had the answers, Boy, I guess I would be running for something, I guess. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, but I don't. | ||
| It's funny, Bill Maher says it, and he's far more left than you are. | ||
| So that goes to show about what you were talking about before, that there is that middle ground. | ||
| Right, we don't know. | ||
| I'm doing the best I can. | ||
| So if you take that attitude and say, I'm coming unarmed, and I'm not trying to change your opinion, I just want to understand. | ||
| Help me. | ||
| Help me. | ||
| I have found, I mean, you're doing the same thing. | ||
| You're like, okay, I'm finding myself in a weird place, I don't know how I got here exactly, I don't know where this is going exactly, but how can we connect? | ||
| You're gonna find that people are starting to connect, and it comes from... This came to me when I was sitting in church, and this is one of the things that I don't like about... I'll just take on my faith. | ||
| I don't like, and they don't mean it this way, but it almost seems like our goal is to get people into the club. | ||
| I gotta get you baptized. | ||
| I gotta get you into the waters of repentance. | ||
| And then you're a member and we're together and then we'll go find other people. | ||
| What? | ||
| What is that? | ||
| That's not what they mean. | ||
| But that's the way it comes off. | ||
| And sometimes people say, you know, I was, uh, Kind of like your question, how do we get people in? | ||
| How do we change their minds? | ||
| Well, gotta be their friend, so be their friend. | ||
| That bothers me so much. | ||
| How about we're just honest? | ||
| How about I really find things that I like about you, if I can. | ||
| And if I don't, I'm not your friend. | ||
| And if I find things that I like about you, I'm your friend. | ||
| And maybe someday you'll go, this is really a good guy. | ||
| He's not the guy I thought he was. | ||
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Dude, Tell me, what's up with this? | |
| How about we just genuinely try to like each other? | ||
| Without an agenda. | ||
| I don't want to change your mind. | ||
| Maybe we'll end up learning something on both sides. | ||
| That's how you finish an interview. | ||
| I did not look down once, which is what I always say is the mark of a good interview. |
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