Dave Rubin hosts Taleed Thatguyt Brown and Christopher Ray Gunn Maldonado to dissect Donald Trump's 45th presidency, analyzing how cultural shifts and "social justice warriors" made the outcome inevitable despite their abstention. They critique crumbling mainstream media credibility, debate cabinet diversity labels, and contrast Trump's protectionism with free-market ideals while discussing the inauguration's religious symbolism. The conversation evolves into a meta-analysis of Rubin's podcast strategy, addressing accusations of bias regarding his guest list and plans to selectively edit footage for alleged racism. Ultimately, the group asserts that alternative media is forming a critical mass of honest commentary ignored by CNN, positioning themselves to hold the new administration accountable once it takes office. [Automatically generated summary]
Donald Trump is now the 45th president of the United States, in case you didn't hear about that.
Half the country is going completely insane.
The other half seems very excited.
That'll constantly be flipping over the course of the next four years.
We got a crazy time upon us, and I didn't want to bore you guys.
You know, you can watch CNN, you watch Fox News, MSNBC, C-SPAN, and see the same old people who got everything wrong the entire way over the course of the last three years, right?
You can watch that.
Or I thought I'd bring on some people that actually did offer me some insight over the last couple years and that were also in on it on the alternative news side.
Because this obviously is the future.
I mean the whole thing with Trump obviously is that mainstream media is crumbling, online media is growing.
Nobody trusts these institutions anymore, and it's by their own doing.
And people do trust, or are now at least learning, that there are some alternative voices out there that are trying to bring some good stuff.
So, I'm very excited, because we have invested in some new equipment over here, and we're doing our first ever live group Skype situation for Inauguration Day, and I am joined today by two At the moment of my favorite YouTubers.
Alright, so Blair White is supposed to be joining us as well, but apparently up north in California there's a big storm, she has no power, but we're working on that.
So I'm gonna start with you guys, so I'm gonna need your A-games because, you know, Blair's pretty good and I need you guys to step up.
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Yeah, we lost so many impression points, you know, it sucks.
I was on the fence about maybe voting for Trump, but in the end, I wasn't interested in his policies enough to warn it, and it was just too much of a hassle, so I just bought AR-15 lowers.
Now, when I had you guys both on for YouTube Week, T, I, at the time, was trying to push you a little bit to Gary Johnson, even though I said, you know, the guy's not a great libertarian and all that stuff, so you didn't even want to throw him your vote, huh?
Yeah, so let's talk about the mess part, because I think you guys were kind of seeing some shit that a lot of people started seeing over the last year and a half.
You know, Chris, you really were nailing this social justice stuff, this split on the left stuff.
It doesn't make you part of the right, but just that something is so freaking broken.
That was probably around that time where I just started to notice that the people that I had typically agreed with started getting a bit zealous, is the word I guess?
A little bit weirdly religious about politics.
Like to the point where they wouldn't be willing to Hear alternative perspectives, even if they slightly differed from their own.
I was like, oh, this is starting to be a little uncomfortable.
Like thinking back now, after everything that I learned over the last couple of years, talking to people, whether I agreed with them or not, like Milo and Cernovich and Scott Adams, all these people that were talking about what was happening with Trump, all the momentum you could see on Twitter and online and all that, doesn't it kind of seem obvious that this was the result?
I remember Lauren Southern tweeted out earlier that they were smashing windows, and I saw pictures of some other cities where some ANCOMs and Antifa, black and red communists, were running around smashing up a Wells Fargo, and they had to deploy tear gas and stuff.
And those are the really, really far extreme SJWs, the more normie, regular Milo Stewart
or regular feminists on YouTube type SJWs, but they're upset too.
And I do think that their loss was necessary.
And I know this is bias coming from someone who's pretty far right.
But yeah, the way they've been going about things, their tactics, their rhetoric,
and most of all, in my opinion, their general authoritarianism
in their execution of their proposed policies, I think that it was pretty necessary
that they weren't allowed to be victorious as a...
As crazy as that sounds, but we are in the realm of politics, so it's either win or lose here.
I hope that this loss will shake them up and get them to rethink their positions and rethink how they've gone about doing things, but I'm not too hopeful for that.
We've already seen that they haven't learned any lessons from this.
They're still kind of parading around the same talking points that they paraded before the election.
I don't think it's going to amount to much.
I think the win with Trump was really just a win for like, oh, hey, Even Hillary Clinton, the person with probably the most political power, the most money backing her, even she could lose the presidency if enough people came together and voted for somebody, whether or not that person was the right person for the job.
I think it's nice to see that it's not always predetermined like we sometimes might feel it is.
Hey, T, what do you think when you see all these people rioting and the tear gas and throwing shit in bank windows and all that stuff, you know, these are your guys in a way, the anarchists, right?
But, yeah, you know, I feel like, especially with the victory of Trump, there's always, there's forever, you know, there's always been this pretty anti-capitalist sentiment on the left.
And as SJW and the cultural Marxism is growing up and kind of exploded recently in terms of social media, it's kind of like stirred the pot a little bit and kind of like took it to the next level where like they feel emboldened, like, yeah, capitalism is a problem.
Let's go ahead and really smash it this time.
But.
You know, I feel like Trump's victory is it's a win for not even really a win, but it it lets you know that At least the reaction lets you know that there is something about to come in which the opposition to capitalism and the furthering of capitalism is going to clash.
And whether that clash is going to result in productive communication and trying to actually solve problems and how we can work forward, or whether we accidentally go full Pinochet, you know, I don't know.
So is that, that's basically the screwy situation that we're in, that these people who think the whole system's against them, now they've got the easiest giant orange blob to say, you see, the system is against us, and then he will have to turn the system against them.
So I don't see a lot of opportunity for these people to come together.
I think there's some new center about developing, but it has almost nothing to do with these guys.
So tweet at the three of us or tweet at me or whatever it is.
We'll take some questions from Twitter and from the YouTube comments as well.
Chris, do you ever think that if the SJW thing gets smashed, like let's say Trump somehow just blows the whole thing apart and it's over, you gotta change careers.
Yeah, I mean, it's a good, It's a good, uh, what do you call it?
A good, um, icebreaker, I guess?
Or not even like an icebreaker, more of like a...
A really digestible, small, bite-sized version of what you might think.
Like, I would say that I'm still liberal, you know?
Because I think it's most accurate to what I would personally agree with, as far as the stereotypical liberal goes.
But even so, it's like, those things don't define absolutely everything.
And even within the realm of politics, they don't define everything within the realm of politics, and they certainly don't define anything outside of it.
Hey, since I know what you hate more than anything is authoritarianism, the Trump thing is kind of interesting for someone like you because on one hand, he's gonna probably lower corporate taxes, businesses will start doing stuff again.
On the other hand, he's got all this America First stuff.
So, you know, if you wanna buy things from other countries or if businesses wanna move freely and laissez-faire capitalism and all that, he's not gonna be good for that, right?
And even though recently his execution of protectionism has been a little bit different than I expected, seeing as he's going the route of trying to more so persuade companies to stay in America by offering them lower taxes or this perk or that perk or that benefit, things like that.
I mean, I'm sure any company with bad PR right now, they're dying to say, ah yeah, we just made a deal with Trump to keep a thousand jobs.
Right.
Even though that is still, in its nature, crony capitalist, and I would prefer it to be a complete free market system with just general free market competition.
But, you know, we're in this situation where, you know, neither side is really on board with that.
So I don't know.
I mean, it seems like he's making the best out of what he can.
And hopefully he keeps it like that and not go the route of trying to actually penalize companies who do go outside of his, you know, vision for America.
But yeah, his authoritarianism is an interesting breed that we haven't seen in a while, and I'm interested to see how it's gonna play out.
Right, because I guess it's the idea of America first.
That's not a philosophy.
It's not an economic philosophy, really.
So you could say America first, meaning I want everyone to buy American, but if you want goods to be traded freely and equally across borders, not great for you.
Trump, like you said countless times in your video, Trump is a populist.
He wants to have a mass appeal to the people.
He wants his legacy, I don't know if he actually wanted it before or if it just ended up because it was his campaign slogan, to make America great again.
And how he's going to go about that, you know, we'll have to see.
I'm definitely not too thrilled about all of his proposals and his ideas, and I think some of them actually won't even work.
Hopefully we have the wall out of our systems at this point.
But I feel like, you know, Being someone who is interested in economics, I hate actually saying this, but I do agree that I feel like the primary point of Trump's victory and the primary thing that people are going to be looking forward to, including myself actually, is going to be the culture shift and how he changes the framework of American culture as it is now, rather than just economics and healthcare policies and things like that.
Yeah, I'm with you on that, and we've already had a crazy culture shift going on right now, right?
Like, I've been tweeting lately about how comics, I mean, you know, famous comics that are a lot more successful and have a lot more money than I do, these people have become Painfully unfunny.
I mean, major stars and producers.
Chris, what do you think about that?
As a guy that goes to the funny, because I think your goal usually is to make people laugh, and if there's a point in there, that's great.
But what do you think about all these people that are just having endless nervous breakdowns right now?
The interesting thing that I found about comedy, especially in regards to Trump, which was, I felt really disappointed when Trump won specifically on one stance.
Because it's difficult to be funny when you're making fun of Trump because it's just so boring and it's everything that you could say about him has been said already and it's cool, you know?
It's like back in when Hillary was a serious candidate like People like you and me, people like T, I'm sure, everybody in our circle, we were kind of the only people on YouTube that I saw who were really taking any jabs at Hillary Clinton.
But now everyone is taking jabs at Trump.
So you can't even really be funny about it.
You kind of have to be genuinely serious about it and be like, okay, so this is the actual problem with Trump.
I can't beat around the bush here.
I can't make a joke here.
Because that's the only way you're going to say something new.
So let's talk about the big machine here right now, which I think one thing that we definitely all would agree on is that the destruction of the mainstream media has kind of been a beautiful thing over the last year, right?
Because going forward, At least that's what I wanted to see coming out of this whole election ordeal, you know, the revisiting of communication, you know, trying to actually, you know, put forth ideas and getting people to actually propose what they think and trying to talk solutions.
And people always say, you know, we always do that.
We're always talking solutions.
When in reality, most of the time, at least from what I see, people are usually just critical.
And being critical and proposing fresh, original ideas are not the same thing.
And I think one is immensely more valuable than the other.
So with this wave of people coming onto the scene, with these fresh new ideas, some completely brand new, like the 36 genders and stuff like that, and some revisiting the good old days, trying to just repackage some stuff a little bit, kind of like our alt-right buddies, and saying, you know, Third Reich wasn't so bad.
I mean, they had awesome suits, you have to admit.
But even with all this stuff, I just want people to actually just put forth ideas and not so much just criticize what's already out there, but going forward, try and create something new.
Because I think that's how we're going to progress.
Yeah, I mean, that's actually why, you know, when I was railing against the regressive left for a year, I've tried to shift a little bit away from that, because at some point, we made our point.
You know, enough people like you guys and a whole bunch of other YouTubers, we all started hitting the same thing, and I think it got to a little bit of critical mass.
Maybe it had a tiny bit to do with what happened with this election, and now it's like, well, how do we actually change things, not just bitch about everything?
And I'm wondering too, speaking of the whole production scene, and since both of you are in the media content capital in LA, do you guys see anything changing in regards to The, um, like people getting ready for Trump's presidency, because I know leading up to it, you know, everyone was going really hard against Trump and really going really hard for Clinton.
And once he lost, there was like this crushing defeat and like everything just like went silent for a while.
And, you know, nobody, everybody was just like real low energy and just depressed and, you know, the media was frantically trying to, you know, maintain credibility.
And they failed in that tremendously, which was amazing to see.
But do you guys see anything coming forward like when people are like getting ready for the fight rather in terms of like the media sense?
But I would say, yeah, I've seen something shift because you guys know this.
Everybody wants clicks and views and likes and all that stuff.
And as the mainstream has just watched people just purge and just disappear from their numbers and seeing what's actually happening here, they're gonna adjust.
And I was in New York last week and I had some meetings with some networks and agencies and things like that.
And basically everybody was like, after inauguration it's a new game.
Because we've hired a lot of people over the course of the election, they babble on about what they get everything wrong, they get all their stats wrong, and their polls wrong, and they're the same sold-out people everyone's been listening to, and now there's some other good shit going on.
So I think we're gonna see something major on the media front this year.
Even though you can't see it, you know, it's just, that's the Fox thing.
You know, you know that there's some awesome legs underneath that desk and it's just the fact that you just know that it's there is worth the $20 million.
So, I mean, I did a couple videos on particularly horrible anti-Hillary songs.
And they weren't bad because they were anti-Hillary.
I love all sorts of political music.
Punk music's my favorite, and that's a notoriously liberal genre.
Like, Rise Against is one of my favorites, and they're remarkably liberal.
But...
I feel like, again, because it's so cool to criticize Trump, because it's like, oh, it's something that your parents can do on Facebook and everyone's fine with it.
I feel like that kind of takes a little bit of the edge off of punk and even just any political music that you would want to make.
So I feel like what we're going to see in music in general, as we saw with the most latest, the most recent Gorillaz track, is that we're just going to get a lot of heavy handed Preaching?
That doesn't sound particularly good at all, and it's a shame.
I mean, yeah, it's mainly devolved into tradition at this point.
I don't believe Trump is, you know, at all nearly religious.
I'm pretty sure he's agnostic, if not, you know, full-blown, like, just completely a-religious in general.
But the thing is, you know, even though personally I'm an atheist, If I was religious, I would understand the significance of, um, like the selfish significance of having, I'm a president, um, swearing in regards to the Bible and then having all the different religious leaders come out and, you know, because, um, and even though I'm not particularly a big fan of the whole swearing on the Bible thing, I still do appreciate, um, bringing out the religious leaders and having them, you know, do their little, um,
you know, in God We Trust speech, just because there's, I don't know how strong it is now,
but there is still this lying, you know, backdrop where if anything can still bring people together,
you know, even on the left, or on the right or whatever, if there's something that can
still not necessarily bring the two people together, bring their own individual collective
together in, you know, solidarity of, you know, values like peace and, you know, hospitality
and things like that, it unfortunately is still relegates to religion.
Um, and there's a lot of religious people who, you know, may be going crazy right now, um, in opposition to Trump, you know, thinking he's a racist, a sexist, you know, an Islamophobe and whatever.
And when they, um, but when they have these religious leaders come out, you know, it's still, it gets, it kind of like calms those waters.
I would think that would be the purpose.
Um, and I would hope it will be successful in that.
Even though I noticed that they didn't bring out any Muslim leaders.
I'm pretty sure that wouldn't fly, especially with Trump.
Yeah, I mean, it's funny, I tweeted, because I was having fun on Twitter during the whole inauguration thing, and I said, I've been just tweeting these snide remarks.
I said, stop.
Stop trying to make religion a thing.
And it pissed off a lot of people.
So it kind of makes me happy to know that those people are still around to offend, because I feel like they've been gone for ages.
It was, yeah, I mean, it definitely wasn't a kumbaya speech, but, you know, it honestly wasn't really that impressive of a speech for me, personally.
It was what we've heard from him, you know, throughout his entire campaign, you know, that we're going to, you know, make America great again, we're going to bring back jobs, we're going to build the roads, and, you know, the average politician stuff.
And, you know, I feel like that's Trump's thing.
You know, he's either just full-blown, boring, average, you know, talking points, or he's crazy, extraordinary, mean guy.
Those are like his two personalities, always one extreme or the other.
But, you know, he had to pick one.
I'm pretty sure the latter would have been funnier for his speech, but he went with normal guy, you know, riling off his campaign slogans and his, you know, proposed policies that we've heard a million times.
So the speech wasn't really, you know, that crazy for me.
You know, it didn't make me feel like, you know, I wasn't impressed.
I wasn't enamored by it or anything.
It didn't seem passionate to me.
And I don't know if that's just Trump's demeanor, but for some reason I don't really get this sense of passion from him that much.
At least not in the whole overly emotional, cartoony way.
He may just be a really laid back guy, for all I know.
Yeah, they've just been whatever fits the circumstance.
I feel like he's more narcissistic than he is any of those other buzzwords.
Like, I feel like it's not that Trump doesn't care about black people or Trump doesn't care about gay people.
It's that Trump cares about himself.
And maybe other rich people.
Maybe if he likes them.
So, I don't know.
I don't buy the buzzwords, but I do think he's a pretty self-indulgent dude who's probably not going to have too many people's best interests in mind at the end of the day.
I'm curious, did you guys see on Twitter, I saw that Sean King had tweeted something about, you know, 13 of the 16 people are white men in the cabinet or something.
And I tweeted back at him and I said, you know, shouldn't you care more about the content of their character than the color of their skin?
I guess that's not really cool these days.
You know, it was more of a populist sentiment like 40 years ago.
Yeah, I'm curious what you both think on this, though, because I saw him tweet that, you know, this thing about 13 of the 16 people are white, and then the same day I saw Mark Lamont Hill, who's one of these guys who runs around CNN and all these things, and he was addressing the fact that there are some black people around Trump and supporting Trump and in the cabinet and all that, and he called them mediocre Negroes.
And I thought, man, this just captures the whole thing.
If he has white people, then he's a white supremacist.
If he has black people, then they're somehow sellouts.
Like, this is just, this is the, it's the pinnacle of lazy thinking.
Yeah, I saw that exact tweet that you, or not the tweet, but the quote that somebody tweeted at me that you mentioned.
And somebody replied to me and said, okay, I wonder how long until the same guy is going to start complaining about, you know, under-representation in Trump's cabinet from black people, you know, after he just labeled everyone trying to get involved mediocre blacks.
It's so ridiculous, and it makes you think, like, what's even the point of trying to please them?
At this point, it's like, whatever.
You're going to be mad?
Fine.
Be mad.
We're over here making America great again.
And I feel like that overall is the one sentiment that resonates with people.
There's always, you know, every election cycle, or in regard to politics anyway, you know, there's always this idea of, you know, desire to come together and work together and everyone, you know, compromise and, you know, just try to get something done and stuff like that around both sides bipartisanly.
And now people, you know, are getting to the point where, you know, there's just There's both sides, both on the left and the right, majority on the left at the moment, where they're just not willing to compromise.
And, you know, we could constantly sit here waddling our fingers saying, you know, come on guys, you know, kumbaya, come on, let's work together.
Or we can just say, how about we just do our own things and try to be successful in that.
And I think that's what a lot of people are doing now.
And, you know, if Mark Lamont sees, you know, Black people trying to work with Trump as being mediocre, that's fine.
But, you know, I wish him luck in what he's doing.
And I just hope that he doesn't get in the way of other Black people who actually are trying to be productive.
It's like we were just talking about how no matter what Trump does, he can't win.
Like Trump could go outside and talk about, oh hey, the sky's pretty blue, isn't it?
And there'd be a whole hashtag campaign about how it absolutely isn't.
And it's just, he's such a cartoon character at this point, or like he's been built into such this Saturday morning villain that like, I can't, I can't care.
I've tried, I've tried so hard to care.
But like the representation in the cabinet for me, I mean there's barely any Latino AAA movie stars or particularly like Lin-Manuel Miranda might be the the most prevalent Puerto Rican music person like a person in the music industry but and you know the representation has always been lacking but it's like it's it's never been I don't view
Somebody who has the color of my skin or has the heritage that I have as any more capable of dictating the laws of the land as anybody else.
Like, I had Margaret Cho in here and I was questioning her because she definitely falls into a lot of SJW stuff.
And I was happy to have her here and treated her as respectfully as I treat anybody else.
But I was trying to show her that in a lot of ways, you could argue the Asian community in America has done it better than anybody because all they cared about, not all they cared about, but they put a tremendous emphasis on education and work and family.
And through that, have huge economic success, have great jobs, live in good communities, upper middle class, et cetera, et cetera.
And what I was trying to say to her is, well, maybe there isn't that much representation in movies, but in a weird way, maybe it's because they kept their eye on the ball.
I don't think she fully got what I was saying, but that seems to me to be the way to do it.
It's a burden, you know, but I just try my best not to get arrested and not get shot, and I think that's a pretty good You know, I think I'm doing a good job.
Well, I'm curious, what do you, like your family and your friends, cause your politics are pretty, they're pretty out there for getting left, right, or any of that bullshit, but you're, you're stuff and you're very outspoken.
I mean, what are the people around you think about you putting your voice out there?
Most of my family and most people around in my general community are pretty far left.
But most people, at least my family and my community, and I think most people in general, are kind of apolitical.
They have their preferences here and there.
They buy into the mainstream news stuff.
So, of course, they think Trump is racist and bigot and stuff like that.
But, you know, overall, I think it's not really as big of a concern for them as a lot of people may think.
I think there's very few people in America overall that really care that much about, like, you know, actually getting involved and trying to, like, shape politics.
I think most people just, you know, play their, not play their card, but But as far as what I've gotten back from my views, it's been pretty positive.
Most people are supportive of me.
I've had quite a few people disagree, but it's a respectful disagreement.
It's not what I anticipated, where I thought I'd get shunned from the community.
We call it a sellout and stuff.
That's more so from the people who claim to be the most tolerant of people.
Those are the ones who are most likely to shun me out.
Yeah, she's still got that fake smile, you know, the whole time, the whole day, she had her fake smile on, which I think is what a lot of people didn't like about her in the first place.
I think if she- I think honestly if Hillary would have been just like, like laid back and just like, this is with the worst expression on her face, I would, I'd be totally like, yeah dude, finally.
More so, I think it's like an I wanna say an ideological divide happening, but it's just people just dividing themselves up.
They're abandoning the general collective they've been in for so long.
And I think that's why we're seeing the rise of so many alternative voices, you know, whether
you agree or disagree with them.
You know, like, for instance, someone who I've never would have asked me, if you would
have asked me five years ago, if I would have, you know, had an interest in this guy, I'd
have been like, what, are you crazy?
You're a racist.
But I've taken immense interest in like someone like Richard Spencer, who's, who has extremely
controversial views, you know, very, very, what's the word I'm looking for?
Like I can't think of the word, small, isolated, you know, niche, niche views.
And he's, but he's, like, just the difference in what he's bringing forward and just the uniqueness in perspective is refreshing.
And I think a lot of people are trying to, I'm getting on board with that, and I think that comes back to what I was talking about in regards to, like, creation over criticism.
Like, people are actually, like, bringing forth new ideas and saying, you know, how about, what about this?
You know, how about we try this?
And how about we propose this?
You know, instead of just going back and forth with saying, well, a little bit of this side, a little bit of that side, you know, the same old boring, you know, political jargon that we've heard forever.
If you like, if you purposely go out and silence something, it just makes it more likely that people are going to find out what the hell you're trying to silence in the first place.
But yeah, this whole thing has been interesting because, like, I, uh, this might be a bit of a detour here, but, like, my household has always been, like, my dad's, was this, has always been this super conservative dude.
He was all pro-Trump this whole time, watching Fox News every damn day.
And my mom was this very, very liberal, very, very into spiritual healing.
So I got both sides of the debate from a very early age, which is why now I just find myself just so in the middle of everything.
I think we can, but I think politics, again, have become so ingrained in everything and so a primary defining factor as to whether or not we even communicate with each other that I feel like a lot of people who either voted for Trump or supported Trump vehemently will just not be open to criticism, however legitimate it is.
And I feel like it would have been the same if Hillary would have won.
I feel like we're in a particularly politically I don't know if this term makes a lot of sense, but it's a very politically religious time where like people, I guess like as the West or the United States in particular has started to kind of sway away from religion, even like the alt-right is like barely what I would consider Christian conservative.
Um, I feel like as, as religion has kind of gone away, we've replaced it with politics.
So we're just as... Well, you're not allowed to be bigoted to somebody over religion, but you could be very bigoted to them over their political beliefs.
Hey T, did you see my tweet during this thing that I was saying that the best argument against progressivism and what's happened to the left, this is the best example right now of limited government because it's not always going to be your guy in power.
So the only way to really neuter them is that you got to take the power away
from everybody.
So when it's your guy, he'll have a little less power.
That's going to be tough on you.
But that way, when it goes the other way, unless you want to live under a fascist dictatorship,
Basically, the best argument for limited government, what I would say to my progressive friends, is, guys, if you don't like Trump right now, if you think that this is gonna be this evil dictatorship, well, then that's an argument for small government, because it's not always gonna be your guy in charge.
And, you know, I think I think people are starting to realize that.
I mean, I would think that would be an easy answer for people to just realize that, you know, I said this on Twitter the other day.
I said, you know, you know, people say, you know, Trump's anti science and, you know, he's, you know, going to, you know, never going to have progress in global warming because of Trump and things like that.
I said that, and I believe it to an extent, that Trump poses no threat or no direct threat to the continued innovations of science unless you believe that science is an inherent byproduct of socialism.
Because people have this idea that in order to get something that they believe should be done, done, in order to, you know, get whatever type of accomplishment they want to have happen, they need government behind them to do it.
when historically that hasn't been the case, you know, most major innovations,
whether it be in science or any field for that matter, or socially, culturally, has come from,
not from having a, you know, huge power backing you, but rather just having the ability
to pursue whatever you're trying to do, having, just having the freedom to get it done.
And I think if you continue to, you know, give people that freedom,
and I think if people actually utilize that freedom, I mean, it's possible for them to, you know,
get whatever they wanna get done.
And it makes that threat of, you know, having to worry about, you know,
whether this person gets in, if they're gonna, you know, screw us over,
or if this person gets in, they're just gonna screw us over.
It minimizes that threat because at that point, you're no longer reliant on having your guy in office or having, you know, your preferences realized in government to actually get your shit done.
So I would hope that people, you know, start to realize that, you know, We're getting people in office, you know, we got Trump in office, you know, whether you agree with him, whether you think he's just the racist, crazy, you know, anti-science Hitler.
Realize that, you know, now is the time for you to start, you know, trying to figure out ways to get shit done on your own, you know, figure out ways to get stuff done in an alternative route than traditionally, you know, just lobbying government to try and get it done for you.
Yeah, well, there's this idea that younger people are having more and more socialistic attitudes, and if you talk to them about freedom and individuality instead of collective and all that, they think that means you're selfish or evil or some capitalist monster, where, to me, individual liberty is the greatest thing you got.
I think that attitude comes mostly from just being, again, in a first world nation where you can kind of think about, oh, why don't we just kind of help everyone?
You know what I mean?
I don't think it's particularly incorrect.
uh, viewpoint, but it's a correct viewpoint for when you can do it. Like I said back a while ago,
I was having a conversation similar to this where I was like, oh well, so, um, you don't think we
should help, uh, foreign countries rebuild? It's like, no, it's like, that'd be nice,
but we should probably focus on ourselves for at least- Like, you can't help somebody if you got two broken legs, you know?
It's just meaningless It's just a it's just an ending to a speech like I think people are gonna forget about it in like a couple days, but I think Writing that writing that in the script was probably a really dumb move because it's like you've already let people down You've already let millions of people down like you can't possibly make like even Obama like I Oh hey, uh, you gonna close Guantanamo anytime soon?
Eh, maybe later.
And it's like, even he let people down, and he was like the person that everybody loved.
Like, even I, who might not agree with Obama's policies, like, dude was charismatic.
I mean, that's kind of what I was thinking the whole time.
It's like, man, for whether you like Obama or not, whether you think Obamacare was good or not, whether you think the economy didn't go off the cliff in 2009 because of him, all that shit, his legacy in a weird way is that Trump is now president.
He did do a few good things in regards to some stuff.
Obamacare, unfortunately, was not one of them.
But his opening up to relations to Cuba, his getting Osama bin Laden, for whatever that's worth.
And his, what was the most recent, his release of Chelsea Manning, not release, but his commutation of her sentence.
That was pretty good.
But then he followed that by releasing a communist terrorist who planted bombs across New York City.
So I don't know.
But yeah, his legacy is going to be, you know, the president that was cool, you know, the cool uncle who didn't do anything, you know, relatively useful or, you know, incredible.
But, you know, he was just fun to have around dinner and stuff.
Um, me, I just, uh, I just kind of want to grow the channel.
I don't really care what the topic is that grows it.
I just have fun doing video production and working in this environment, meeting all sorts of cool people.
Uh, it's, it's been, uh, an interesting ride, but it's, it's fun.
Like how I see it is this is, um, a way for me to build, uh, a small studio, like where I can get people to maybe like, The end goal isn't political commentary.
It's just like, oh, I'm accumulating all this equipment for maybe one day I'll, I don't know, one day I'll make, maybe make a short movie or something, whatever.
It's like, I went to film school, so that's really what I want to do.
I'd like to be behind the camera.
And this is, this whole thing has just been a hobby that just so happened to take off.
And that's, that's my only goal out of this.
I don't really have any particularly lofty political aspirations.
Isn't that the best lesson of you just have to do what you think is right?
Like, that's more, if I learned anything this year, that was it.
Because you're right, I get these people that say, some schmuck wrote an article about me this week saying I'm a white supremacist.
Yeah, I'm a white supremacist.
Meanwhile, I have the alt-right people saying that I don't even have real alt-right people on, because I've had, you know, Milo and Cernovich, but I haven't had the true neo-Nazi.
So it's like, you just gotta do what you think is right.
Yeah, and I feel like you're doing that, and it's useful.
I mean, I enjoy how you present your interviews, and how you bring people on, how you use, you know, just your style of interviewing, where you just, you know, ask people, you know, what they think, and then you let the audience decide for themselves.
You're not really trying to, you know, catch them in a lie.
You're not really trying to press them, you know, trying to say, ha, see, you're wrong, or, you know, or even trying to gloat them, like, see, ah, you see, you're wonderful, you know.
It's just, Starting this week with this new Skype thing we have.
Our new thing is we're going to be selectively editing a lot of what you guys have said today and pushing it out accordingly to show that you're racist or Islamophobic, etc, etc.
Yeah, I mean, I've said on the show a couple times, like, my whole thing with Trump for the last month and a half, you know, basically since he got elected, two months now, is that I couldn't go crazy yet.
You know, people are going crazy about every pic and every tweet and all that, and it's like, wait till he's president.
So starting today, if he starts doing bad shit, I'll call him out on that.
But for the last two months, I just, knowing the way he ran the campaign, where he was trying to get us all outraged first, I'm just not going to play that game.
I'm not going to be that dumb, basically, the way the rest of these media people are.
So I'd say for the online thing and the space that we're all in, I think there's huge things coming this year.
I had a couple interesting meetings in New York.
I think there's a lot of opportunity for guys like us.
To be doing a lot more together, and I think that there's a huge awakening, even from mainstream, that they actually need people like us now.
You know, nobody gives a shit about what's happening on CNN right now, except the people that are on CNN.
It's just true, and I'm not pretending that the three of us know everything or are experts in every field.
But I know that you guys offered more honest, interesting commentary than 90% of that cable bullshit.
And I think that we're all getting this to critical mass, and it's a kind of beautiful thing.
So I've got some plans.
We're right at the beginning here.
You know how it is.
Every time you move forward, then you're somehow back at the beginning again.
I have been thinking about doing a little bit of a weekly news kind of thing where we would incorporate this Skype thing, get a couple people all over the world, and maybe I'll have you two clowns back.