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Dec. 23, 2016 - Rubin Report - Dave Rubin

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unidentified		All right, guys.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		I believe we are back.
unidentified		Please tell me that you can see this.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		I hope that you can.
		I think we're good to go.
		How are we doing?
		All right, we're going to give it a second.
		We're going to, hopefully, the internet.
		Man, I don't know what's going on here.
		So it looks, it still looks a little shady.
		It's kind of working.
		Let's give it a second.
		So just, okay, now they're telling me it's good.
		Bear with me, people, please.
		You see how the powers that be don't want us to connect?
		They don't want our ideas to connect with each other.
		I'm getting thumbs up from people, and it looks like you guys are in the comments.
		All right, so first off, just to show that what a team we are, I want to thank all of you who I said, do I shut the Wi-Fi if I have Ethernet connection?
		On.
		And I did have it on.
		I shut it off and I think that's gonna do better for us.
		So, alright.
		So we'll do a little reset for all the people that jumped in later that the stream was all whacked or whatever.
		But thank you guys for playing along and bearing with me.
		I have a question for you.
		What are you drinking tonight?
		What are you drinking tonight?
		I'm going with a Zinfandel.
		Which is an old vine, I believe.
		And this is it.
		As I mentioned before, I am going off the grid as of tomorrow.
		I'm shutting it down for 2016.
		We have busted our motherfucking asses this year.
		And I am shutting it down.
		We are gonna... No screens for me.
		No social media.
		No emails.
		No nothing.
		Shutting it down for the rest of the year.
		We've already got the show booked out for like three months already.
		Almost through March in 2017.
		We've got some great guests.
		Some repeat people.
		We're going to try to ramp up production.
		You know, I've mentioned to you guys before, like, if we hit that 30,000 thing on Patreon, we immediately hire people, probably double if not triple the amount of shows that we're doing.
		There's a lot of things we want to do, and I have some other partnerships that I think are coming down the pike.
		I guess this would be a good time to tell you guys that I signed with William Morris Endeavor Agency, which is like the biggest talent agency in all of, basically in all of the world.
		They reached out to me a couple weeks ago and I just signed with them.
		So there's a lot of cool things happening.
		They fully understand that Rubin Report is my number one gig.
		This is where I want to devote all my energies.
		Maybe there's a way we can spin it off into a TV show or I can do something else, but that I love having my studio, having my audience, having nothing between us, all that kind of stuff.
		So it's been a great year.
		Because the things that I've worked really hard for, I turned 40 this year, all the things that I've worked hard for really kind of came into place.
		I think the things that I care about are the things that are relevant to America and to the world right now.
		And I think there's incredible, I think there is absolutely incredible opportunity in this country right now.
		And it's just a matter of which way are we gonna go with it.
		And I hope we go the right way.
		All right, so here we go.
		So for those of you that are joining us on Patreon, even if you're at the dollar level, whatever it is, you're gonna get first access to questions.
		It's patreon.com slash RubinReport.
		And David's gonna fire off some questions to me.
		And then we'll jump in on the YouTube comments as well.
		We don't have to talk politics, we can talk anything.
		Go ahead, here we go.
		So, oh, a ton of people have been asking if we're doing another YouTube week.
		So yes, we are doing it in the first, probably around February, March.
	So we're gonna do a new form on ReubenReport.com where you guys will be able to submit.
	Last time we got, I think, over 2,000 responses from literally all over the world.
	It was unbelievable.
	It was truly One of the most validating days and rewarding days of my life.
	I mean, I talked to 20 people in succession over the course of a few hours from all over the world, all connecting over the same ideas, talking to people in India and Brazil and Sweden and Switzerland and Canada and the U.S.
	I mean, it was awesome.
	It was truly amazing.
	And it was really when I realized that we were onto something with this show.
	And that these ideas that I'm talking about transcend borders and they transcend race and religion and all that stuff.
	If you care truly about individual liberty, if you truly care about the human mind and logic and reason as the things that will move us forward, and if you don't want to demonize everybody, that, you know, think the worst of everybody that thinks differently politically than you.
	And that's how most people are.
	Most people are decent.
	I really believe that.
	Most people They want a job, they want a couple bucks in their pocket, they want to eat some decent food, have some decent booze, and have some sex, and that's it.
	I don't think people want much more than that, usually.
	Of course some people do, but you want to feel rewarded in your life.
	But I think that's where most people are at, and that's just not where politics are at.
	I think there's a chance for something really great to jump out of 2016, and that's why I've said the Trump thing.
	Look, I did videos on why not to vote for Trump.
	I said many times, I don't know what his moral center is.
	All that stuff, right?
	My views generally are much smaller in government than he is, but I think after this election, there's actual opportunity now.
	And I think, as I've said before, and I'll say again, if he focuses on the economy and infrastructure, it doesn't get us into crazy wars.
	I don't think he cares about gay people.
	We're equal.
	The Supreme Court did it.
	They're not gonna flip it.
	Don't worry.
	Mark my words.
	If I'm wrong, then this thing's gone horrifically awry and I'll be the first to say I'm wrong.
	But he's not coming for the gay people.
	And I don't think he cares about medical marijuana or a lot of the social stuff.
	So let's see, maybe he can fix some economic stuff and some international stuff, which is a total mess right now.
	And who knows?
	Maybe something good will happen.
	So that's kind of where I'm at with everything.
	And I love that my audience is all over the place.
	I mentioned on the earlier stream, I've got like these 20 anonymous Twitter losers that are constantly trolling me, and I don't care.
	They can do whatever the hell they want.
	Some of them selectively edit my clips, which is annoying, or they misquote me or make up quotes by me and try to get it to spread or go viral or whatever.
	I don't know.
	Whatever.
	I can't spend any time thinking about these losers.
	But sometimes people say, oh, you see?
	Rubin's sold out.
	He's sold out.
	And it's like, what are you talking about?
	If I wanted to sell out, if I just wanted to pick a team, I could be on Cable News Channel in a second and probably be making Ten times what we're making now?
	You know, so, it's actually ridiculous.
	It's ridiculous.
	And, as I said before, my audience is so split between, you know, we had Clinton people and Trump people and Gary Johnson people, we had Jill Stein people, we had people that didn't vote, we had people from all over the world, also, that the idea that, I don't know, who am I selling out to, you dingbats?
	Anyway, alright, so we're gonna take some questions, we're gonna play around.
	Alright, here we go.
	What are your major plans for 2017?
	Anything new on the show?
	So, I really, really want to expand the show.
	So, I love doing interviews, you know, I love doing my direct-to-camera stuff to you.
	So, first off, I want to do live stuff more.
	Right now, we're doing the Google Hangout thing.
	So, this is... I just have my computer on my... on the table here.
	I'll give you a quick... we did a little tour before.
	I'm just turning a little bit.
unidentified		They're saying that's when they're doing that.
unidentified		Oh no, I hope I didn't screw everything up.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		They said that on the earlier stream, when I moved around, that's what caused the stream to freak out.
		Anyway, I was about to show you Emma, she's just laying out on the floor there.
		So what I want to do is, I want to not only do more shows, But right now I'm on Google Hangouts, so I'm just on my computer, which is on a box, which is on another box, which is on the table here.
		But we're going to live stream from the studio, meaning that our studio will be a live streaming studio, sort of in the way that Crowder does live streaming from his studio.
		So we'll have our five cameras.
		We'll do live shows from here.
		I think we can do things where, you know, we drink with guests or have dinner with people, do more roundtable stuff where I want to get a whole bunch of people.
unidentified		I'll get a progressive and a conservative and a...
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		Socialist and an anarchist and whoever, and get these people in here.
		I also want to kind of expand the network of people.
		You know, I connected with so many great people that I think are doing such good work.
		Whether I agree with them all or not, it's irrelevant.
		People like Blair White and that guy T and Chris Reagan, some of the people that I had on YouTube Week
		that I would love to do more with, partner with more.
		I got some other ideas, some more mainstream people.
		I think there's some really cool stuff.
		There's a lot of cool stuff happening in the YouTube space in general,
		even though I think this show is actually much bigger than YouTube
		and I wanna figure out alternate places to be 'cause I think being beholden to one space
		isn't that great for a series of reasons.
		You guys know about the demonetization stuff, probably, and you know about some of the algorithm stuff.
		But, you know, there's so much cool stuff here.
		You know, Phil DeFranco has become a big ally.
		He's one of the original YouTubers who really figured out how to work this thing properly.
		And I think we really see eye to eye on a lot of political stuff.
		I'm sure we'll get him in here at some point.
		But I just think there's a new group of younger people that have good ideas, and we've got to figure out how to really push this.
		So I'd also love to start doing some more stuff.
		We have a production company now.
		You know, we own all our equipment, all that stuff.
		So I'd like to start doing some more stuff out of the studio.
		I want to travel more.
		I'm invited to college.
		I got 50 invites to colleges that I would love to get to.
		and take the show on the road more, and figure out some other stuff too.
		You know, I used to be funny, and I'd like to start being funny again in 2017.
		I think maybe I'll get back into standup.
		I've got a book thing that people want me to do that I've got to talk to an agency about.
		So there's a lot of stuff.
		And after I get a little bit of downtime here, a little nine days to end this year, reset it, I feel very rewarded.
		But, you know, have a moment to sleep and eat right and hit the gym and get back to 2017 and just burst out of the gates.
		So this is just the beginning, people.
		All right, so with that being said, someone on Patreon is asking when Phil DeFranco's coming on.
		Ask him!
		He's welcome anytime.
		His schedule's been nuts.
		I know he's been trying to get an assistant, but feel free to tweet him.
		We'll make it happen.
		I'm not worried about that.
		Somebody says, have I had dinner?
		And if not, what am I having tonight?
		I cancel dinner plans to watch you and I need ideas!
		All right, so first off, as you guys probably know, my husband David is an incredible chef.
		You can check out instagram.com slash davidscookbook and you can see some of the things that I eat on a nightly basis.
		I just said I haven't been to the gym in two months because we were building out the studio and moving.
		I just have not had a moment.
		I tried to do a couple push-ups in my room but I have had no time to go to the gym.
		It's a miracle I'm not a fat fuck because we eat incredible food.
		David's a wonderful chef.
		I mean anything.
		You want the best Chinese food you ever had?
		You want the best Thai food you ever had?
		The best filet mignon you ever had?
		The best lasagna you ever had?
		He's incredible.
		Check out, it's instagram.com slash davidscookbook.
		So tonight, I believe we are having Branzino, which is a white fish.
		We got the whole fish over at Gelson's over here.
		We got the whole fish and Branzino, if you don't know it, it's usually thought of as,
		people usually get it in Greek food.
		It's like grilled fish.
		He does like this potato feta.
	You can see it on instagram.com/davidscookbook.
	And I would love to do maybe a cooking, you know, we were thinking,
	he doesn't wanna be on camera really and do that kind of thing,
	but I was thinking it would be fun.
	Like we set up some cameras in my kitchen and I'll talk politics and we'll have a drink
	and we can, you know, earlier in the day, maybe I'll set up, I'll tweet out
	what ingredients you guys need and you guys just throw your laptop in your kitchen
	with your family too and we do a full on live stream.
	Maybe we do a live show where we can Skype people in as they're cooking the same things that we're cooking with.
	Because I really do believe that food and wine and family, that's what will transcend this political
	bullshit.
	And so I think maybe doing a cooking show could be in order.
	I'm a terrible cook, but I do, I'm pretty good at loading the dishwasher. Never had a
	dishwasher, by the way, until I moved into this house. So for the last 15 years of my life, I've been
	loading, I've been washing my own dishes. But now I've got a machine that does it, which is
	pretty sweet.
	Okay.
	Let's see.
	Apparently no one in the YouTube stream knew I was gay.
	You know, this is as gay as it gets.
	I mean, I'm gay.
	I don't know what you want me to do.
	I still like Star Wars and I like basketball.
	You know, I happen to be married to a dude.
	But beyond that, I don't want extra credit for it.
	I don't need to be treated specially or as if I'm some sort of derelict.
	You know, gay people are pretty much the same as everybody else.
	It's really not a big deal.
	And in a weird way, that's why equality... that's why equality under the law...
	The ability to marry whoever you want.
	If you're a straight person, you can marry whoever you want.
	And if you're a gay person, you should be allowed to marry whoever you want.
	That's why it's so important, because think about if you were gay before gay marriage was legal, you really became a one-issue voter.
	So you couldn't vote on taxes, really, or you couldn't vote on foreign policy.
	You could!
	There were log cabin Republicans.
	There's always been gay Republicans, for sure.
	But if you wanted true equality, you had to vote for the people that were fighting for equality, and that happened to be mostly Democrats, mostly liberals, before the liberals went completely bonkers.
	And that's a sad way to have to be.
	So that's why the beautiful thing about equality, when everyone's equal under the law, and you let people's, you know, the Supreme Court decision that allowed for gay marriage was the Equal Protection Clause, ultimately is what made it happen, because they said people have to be treated equally under the law.
	Once you have that then, Gay people, just like everyone else, can then vote on a series of different things.
	So if taxes are most important to you, or foreign policy is most important to you, or infrastructure is most important, you can vote on all of those things.
	But without equality, you end up being a single-ticket voter.
	So it's very good.
	It's very, very good that the Democrats were on the lead on this.
	I think the Republicans Really got in bed too much with the Christian conservatives on this, which caused them to not do what was a conservative principle.
	A conservative Republican principle of small government and limited government would mean that the government shouldn't care who you marry.
	So they could have taken the lead on this in an ethical and moral way, I think, and they failed.
	But the thing is, a lot of people say, well, the Democrats fought for your rights.
	You have to remain a Democrat.
	But you don't owe them anything.
	You don't owe anyone anything.
	Thank you, Democrats, for doing what was right a couple years ago, and finally, you know, the public opinion had to drag Hillary there and had to drag Obama there and all that, and that's behind their politicians.
	But just because you do the right thing, well, I don't owe you anything anymore, and I'm gonna vote anyway.
	I'm not a Republican either, but I'm gonna vote my conscience, or I'm gonna vote what I think are important issues.
	So thank you for doing the right thing, but nobody should be beholden to anyone.
	Okay, let's see, what else is here?
	Oh, that guy T. So I mentioned T before as one of the people who I think is doing just great stuff this year.
	I didn't even know you were a Patreon supporter, my friend.
	Thank you.
	But he says, do you think we'll see a rise in dapper terrorists like the Russian ambassador assassin?
	That's kind of funny for a depressing thing that happened.
	So, you know, this guy shot the Russian ambassador to Turkey.
	You guys, I'm sure, all saw this a couple days ago.
	And the guy was dressed like he was in Reservoir Dogs or something, you know, trim, slim, Italian-looking suit.
	Do I think we're going to see more rise in dapper terrorists?
	Look, forgetting the humorous part of what you're saying, you know, the more that This shit happens.
	The better, hopefully, our security services will be.
	But what that then causes is that the bad guys, the terrorists, and these people are terrorists.
	I know that's offensive to some people, but if you're shooting people for political reasons or ramming cars into Christmas things and all of these things, these are terrorists, bad, bad, bad people.
	that they're gonna figure out other ways to do it, right?
	So like you could look at Israel, for example, where the suicide bombing on buses happened for a while.
	They figured out better security for their buses, and then they started suicide bombing restaurants.
	Then they figured out better security for their restaurants.
	They started stabbing people on the street.
	Then they figured out better ways around that with security.
	And then they started arson fires just in the last couple of months.
	And they'll figure out a way to defeat that.
	So we have to be smart and slim and trim.
	Apparently that's my new favorite phrase.
	But we have, all of us have to be aware and smart and not afraid to say what we think.
	And that's why this fucking idiot that did this YouTube thing,
	or this guy that does these YouTube stunts, this Adam guy, and then pulls this thing off,
	either he's the boy who cried wolf or this is the worst coincidence ever.
	I tend to think it's the first part.
	And, you know, we don't need that.
	There are so many people that want to just rip us apart.
	Why are we seeing all these stories of fake hate?
	Is there not enough hate out there?
	Why are we seeing all of this stuff?
	People want to be victims these days.
	The world doesn't owe you anything.
	I'm not owed anything.
	No one gave my grandparents, who came here with nothing, anything.
	They worked hard To make a better life for their grandchildren, and then their grandchildren worked hard to make a better life for my parents, and my parents did the same, and hopefully I've given a better life to my dog.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, that's what the American dream is supposed to be.
	You're not owed anything, and people need to understand this, that you gotta work hard, and you'll get yours, but it's gonna take work, and the world's tough.
	The world's tough.
	It's just how it is.
	All right, let's see.
	Dave, if you could sum up the year in one sentence, what would that sentence be?
	I think I would do two words, which would be holy shit.
	Yeah, what a crazy year we had.
	Just a crazy, I mean, can anyone remember?
	Please fire it off in the comment section if you can remember a year that was like this.
	Just how politics got so...
	So mixed, and so intertwined with our culture, and that everyone went crazy, even now.
	You see the story today about these, it happened to be two, a gay couple I guess, and they were on a jet blue flight, and Ivanka Trump's on the flight, she's flying coach as much as I saw, with her three kids, and they decided, one of them's screaming at her on the plane, after they had tweeted earlier that they were gonna chase her down or something.
	And it's like, Jesus Christ, you know, I don't know what Trump's gonna do.
	I don't know.
	As I've said many times before, I have a good feeling about this, basically.
	And we'll see.
	We'll see if it goes, if it's horrible, I'll call him out on it.
	I have a feeling it's gonna be mostly focused on the economy, and that I think will be good.
	But the girls flying coach with her kids and you feel the need to be screaming at them,
	who's the tolerant side anymore?
	So everything's crazy.
	That's why I would say, "Holy shit" is the sentence of the year.
	And it's only two words, because everyone's upside down.
	The good guys are the bad guys now.
	The bad guys are the good guys.
	Everyone's, there's so much fertile ground right now for something new to grow out of this.
	And we can feel it.
	I think everyone can feel it.
	And that's why our work is cut out for us.
	I think 2017 is going to be bananas.
	But it will be bananas good if enough of us are brave enough to make it good.
	Or it'll be bananas bad if the worst parts of us keep ripping us apart.
	Let's see.
	Somebody said on Patreon, what would be the thing that you would most like to see Trump accomplish?
	Accomplish and fail at, based on the plan he has given.
	Accomplish and fail at.
	Well, I'll do accomplish first.
	I mean, I've said this 10 times already just now, but in terms of accomplish, just getting the economy going, lowering taxes so that more people have money to spend.
	Look, even if you like big government programs, it's pretty obvious that the government is a big, wasteful monster.
	So we could still tighten the government and that wouldn't screw everybody.
	And by the way, one of the differences between a classical liberal, which I consider myself, and a libertarian, and I'll get more into this next week, in the direct message that I already shot, is that a
	classical liberal does believe there is some utility to government. So libertarians, you know, libertarians
	are kind of all over the place because the whole idea is that you think for yourself, so you're
	not going to be so beholden to one thing.
	[BLANK_AUDIO]
	But a lot of libertarians see, you know, it's that fine line.
	I'm sure T is watching this right now.
	It's that fine line between libertarian and anarchist.
	I'm not either one of those things.
	I do believe that there should be some social safety net, but I don't think we should always be redistributing wealth and I don't think we should be massively taxing and all of those things.
	You work, right?
	Probably you watching this right now, unless you're a student.
	Or maybe you're out of work, but you work!
	I think you should keep as much of that money as possible, then do with that money as you see please.
	Even in this past month, where we built this studio, which again, we built because of you guys.
	Because of you.
	not just 100% because of those of you who support us on Patreon.
	And I thank you guys a million times before and I'll thank you a million times again.
	But not only because of you, but because all of you who watch this
	and hopefully if you don't skip all the ads or you share this or whatever you do, right?
	So in the month that we've been here, that we've been building this,
	now we did a lot ourselves, but I had to hire guys to physically build these walls.
	We had hired lighting guys, there were people that were hanging things,
	drywall things, the window that we just put in over there, a whole bunch of other stuff.
	Now, if I had had less money, if my taxes were higher, I would have had less money to hire these people to do
	these jobs.
	I would then be in a shittier studio and those people would have less money in their pocket because they wouldn't have had work.
	So it's not as easy as everyone thinks.
	The minimum wage thing, I think, is really interesting, and I'll definitely do more on this.
	One of the things I want to do for sure in the next year or more is more on economics and get people in on the right and on the left on this.
	But one of the things about economics that I think is fascinating, and I talk about this in my interview next week with Deidre McCloskey, who is an economist and a former professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago, happens to be trans, transitioned 20 years ago.
	She's an amazing woman.
	And when I interviewed her last week, it was a day or two after everybody, there was the big push for the $15 minimum wage thing, which sounds good, right?
	We want people who have the least to have more.
	The same day that this was going on, I was reading an article about how Amazon is about
	to open their first robot-controlled store, basically.
	That you'll go into a store, they're going to scan you using apps and whatever else,
	and there will be no people there.
	So the more that you artificially force companies, McDonald's, to give people $15 an hour, the
	more they're going to say, "All right, we're going to just replace everybody with iPads."
	So sometimes, as I often say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
	I believe the people that want $15 minimum wage.
	They have good intentions.
	They want people with less to have more.
	But you have to factor in what the purpose of a business is and how a business can operate smartly and all of that and profit.
	So there's a whole series of things here.
	I'm not an expert in this.
	I'm just telling you what I think.
	But I'm going to way do more on this.
	So I hope Trump will get some of the economic stuff going.
	Is there something that I'd like him to fail at?
	Well, look, the things that people think he's going to do that I would want him to fail at, I don't think he's going to do.
	So I don't think he's going to try to put Supreme Court justices on there to stack the court to get rid of gay marriage.
	I don't think he gives a shit about marijuana.
	I hope he'll continue to do some of the things that Obama's done with reforming the prison system.
	But generally, the stuff that people are really afraid of, I don't think he's a warmonger.
	I don't think he wants to go to war in all these countries.
	I think he wants to reset some of our relationships.
	We'll see.
	Maybe I am wrong, but we'll see.
	Oh, you know, a bunch of people have asked this, is will I organize debates on the channel?
	So yes, for sure.
	We do have two blue chairs, and I've done two guests a couple times.
	Sorry, I need the tannins.
	So we will absolutely do that.
	You know, one of the reasons that I interview people the way I do, which is that I ask them what I ask them, and I let them talk, and then I try to follow up with the appropriate question, but I don't slam them down even if I disagree with them.
	I think usually you can tell who I disagree with and who I don't, and I believe that that's the best way to learn what people think.
	It's not the way everybody loves it.
	Some people critique me for it.
	Okay, so be it.
	Life goes on.
	In the first year or so that we were doing this show, let's remember, I wasn't even until September of 2015.
	So about, what's that, 15 months ago?
	I wasn't even doing this version of the show, this show that you guys all hopefully dig and like.
	I was doing a whole other kind of show for many years.
	So this interview thing, which I absolutely love, which obviously is my calling and what you guys like, I wasn't even doing for that long.
	So I'll continue to evolve and get better, hopefully, and I'm very committed to that,
	and that's what I plan on doing and all that stuff.
	But one of the things that I want to do is, I like hearing from individual people
	so you can really get what they're thinking.
	But what I would like to do is, now that I've set the groundwork at that, is,
	so for example, Michael Shermer, who you guys know I love, and Dinesh D'Souza, who I've had on the show,
	they've debated publicly many times before.
	I would love to get, I have both their books on this set.
	These guys agree on next to nothing.
	But I would love to have them both sit down here, and as long as people will do it with mutual respect
	and without blatantly lying about each other, which is a huge problem in the public sphere right now,
	then I will gladly do more of that stuff.
	And I would debate people too, if there was someone that somebody wanted me to debate.
	From Patreon, "What are your thoughts "on giving terrorists constitutional rights?
	"Is there a line that you draw in the sand, "or does liberty apply to all?"
	Good use of the L word there to make me challenge myself.
	Well, first off, if you're an enemy combatant, meaning that you are not a citizen of the United States, and I don't think the laws of the United States, the civilian laws of the United States, our Constitution should apply to you.
	If you are a citizen of the United States, And let's say you were a lone wolf terrorist.
	I would say your constitutional rights probably still do apply.
	Yeah, I would say that almost definitely, but I need to think it through a little bit more.
	But I would say, yeah, if you were a lone wolf terrorist, even if you were doing something for political aims, then yes.
	If you were part of a terrorist organization, like an international terrorist organization, then your constitutional rights don't apply and there
	should be a different court for you. We can't have everything going through our civil courts. But
	this is a very complex question, and I have someone in mind actually that sort of specializes
	in international law that I think would be good to have on and discuss this stuff further.
	But that's a great question for sure.
	Let's see.
	As a college student, would you recommend I pull a similar strategy to what Ben Shapiro did and write like a leftist in order to get a better grade, or should I stick to my principles?
	Oh, man.
	I didn't know that Ben did that.
	Did Ben actually do that in college?
	That's crazy, but I wouldn't put anything past Ben because I think he's a really bright guy.
unidentified		I would say, man.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		Look, if that's the state of things, that if you were to write what you think is true, and it wasn't just leftist garbage, that that would hurt your grades, then that really just does exemplify exactly everything we've been talking about.
		About the college situation right now and the university situation and the safe space trigger warning bullshit and these snowflakes and that the inmates are running the asylum and that professors are afraid of students.
		It's pathetic.
		So I cannot give you that advice that you should not be true to yourself.
		Of course, my advice to you would be to write what you think is true.
		Win with your ideas.
		Now, at the end of the day, if your professor is a dick or a demagogue, you may get worse grades and then that could affect your ability to get into grad school or something like that.
		Do what you think is right more than anything else.
		But we need to get over this bullshit.
		This is what I talked about with Jonathan Haidt, who's a professor of business over at NYU, and he said that the business schools have been less infected with this SJW garbage because business is run by numbers.
		So it's not as easily affected as feminist dance theory, which is very affected.
		It'll sop that shit up like a sponge.
		So, I guess it also depends what your major is and all that kind of stuff, but we need people to continue to fight.
		I get emails every freaking day.
		I wish I could spend a little more time responding to people in college saying this, that they're losing friends, they're afraid to talk to people, their professors are teaching them bullshit.
		Like, it's really crazy and we gotta turn the tide.
		And that's why a lot of these online voices are so important to that, because the mainstream ain't gonna do it, because the business is good for them to still do in their garbage.
		All right, we can also snag some from YouTube as well.
		And all right, now we got video working.
		As I said before, guys, Hopefully this will be, because I am doing my off the grid
		hiatus as of tomorrow to the end of the year, hopefully this will be the last time I ever have to
		livestream from the studio via my computer.
		We're going to get our full livestreaming studio up, five cameras, the whole shebang.
		We'll have more people in here.
		We'll do more, all kinds of stuff.
		I think maybe we'll start doing a weekly news segment.
		I'm thinking about a whole bunch of stuff.
		And we just gotta get some of the finances to shake out right and work with a couple of partners on things.
		And it's all good.
		It's all coming together.
		It's been a crazy, exhausting, inspiring year.
		And we're gonna, I'm gonna end it with some food and some quiet time.
		If possible.
		I don't even know what I'm gonna do.
		I really don't even know what I'm gonna do for the next eight days.
		I'm not going anywhere.
		I'm just gonna be home.
		I got some things to do around the house and stuff like that.
		But I could use a little break.
		All right, so fire out some more questions.
		Somebody said, did I enjoy being on The Drunken Peasants?
		I totally did.
		I totally, I like those guys.
		You know, I don't have enough time, unfortunately, to watch as much stuff as I'd like to.
		So even for some of the people who I've mentioned, before I mentioned Blair White, And I mentioned Mac IT and I mentioned Chris Raygun and a whole bunch of other people that I know are doing good work.
		I can only watch like tiny little snippets here or there and I try to, I try to promote them when I can.
		But I just don't have enough time.
		I haven't even, I think maybe I'll try to read a book this week, which I haven't done in a while.
		Maybe I'll play some video games again, which would be nice.
		I'm going to bust out, I got an old school Nintendo sitting in the closet, bust that thing out, 8-bit Nintendo.
		I have a Sega Genesis in there too, actually.
		So maybe I'll do that.
		Maybe I'll go bowling.
		There's a bowling alley near my house.
		I haven't been bowling in a while.
		I used to be a pretty good bowler.
		Did I watch Crowder get waterboarded?
		I missed it, but I was on right before.
		I saw a still shot of it, but I didn't see it.
		But apparently he did it for 23 seconds, which is pretty much unheard of.
		Is that right?
		He was waterboarded for 23 seconds.
		I wish I could move this thing around to show you guys more of the studio, but I guess I just can't do it.
		I can't risk the feed.
	I can't risk the feed.
	Sorry, guys.
	But you know what?
	Yeah, next time we'll do something where I'll really be able to show you around.
	Okay, let's see.
	Dave, what are your thoughts on that BuzzFeed article that you retweeted via the Pendulum blog, Racism Against White People, basically?
	Yeah, this is horse shit.
	If you didn't see the BuzzFeed article, and correct me if I'm wrong, if I'm paraphrasing this, Poorly, but basically they took still shots of all of these kids in class who are writing papers and doing dissertations writing Doing essays on white people, you know, like the titles of them were like white people are destroying the earth You can have all your feelings except if you're white why white people are trying to kill colored people just all these like nonsensical bullshit things that you could never say about another race not that
	I don't like when people say that because it doesn't even give justice to the true answer of why this is wrong.
	This is the ultimate of the oppression Olympic bullshit.
	So let's say, so wait, so the question was, hold on, what was the question?
	Where were my thoughts on it?
	Yeah, so it's nonsense.
	This is bullshit.
	This is garbage.
	This is not education.
	This is collectivist thinking.
	Why would you judge all white people the same?
	Do you know that there are white people who are hardcore leftists?
	There are white people who are hardcore righties.
	There are white people who are atheists.
	There are white people who are hardcore religious people.
	So to judge any group as the collective, that is what bigotry is.
	That's what bigotry is.
	And that makes no sense.
	Be judged as an individual by the content of your character.
	As a person who is much better than me, Martin Luther King Jr.
	once said, you want to be judged by the content of your character.
	It's such easy, lazy, nonsense, bullshit thinking to judge everybody by their color and their creed.
	Just because you're gay, as I said before, you might You might be gay and for low taxes.
	You might be.
	You might be gay and for guns.
	Well, guess what?
	That's okay, too.
	All of these things, we need to be judged as individuals, and this is what the danger of what the left is doing right now.
	So that is why I focus more on the left.
	But again, next week I'm posting a video, you guys will see it on December 28th, about why I'm a classical liberal, why classical liberal is very different from what people describe a liberal as these days.
	Because when they say liberal these days, they really mean progressive.
	And why progressive is really part of the left, but liberal at this point, it's shaken.
	But I don't want to give away the whole video.
	I also talk about why libertarian is different than classical liberalism.
	All right, one more from Patreon right now.
	What issues help pull you out of the regressive world, and how can we get regressives to realize the truth?
	So first off, you know, for the record, I don't even say the phrase regressive left that much anymore.
	You know, people, for like six months when I started the show last time, and I had Sam on, and I had Majid on, and Ayaan, and Douglas Mari, and a couple other people, Peter Boghossian and Ali Rizvi.
	Oh, can you snag Ali's book?
	I want to show it to everybody.
	You know, the phrase regressive left, there were so many of us that were liberals, liberal in thinking, that based our thinking on logic and reason and wanted to care about other people and wanted to be judged on secular values, wanted a society to govern on secular values.
	There were so many of us realizing this shit all at the same time, and it had a lot to do with that whole fracas that so many people woke up to because of Sam Harris on Real Time with Affleck, and it had to do with Charlie Hebdo, and what happened in Paris, and a whole bunch of other things.
	But all of us were sort of waking up at the same time, and there was no phrase about, wait a minute, wait a minute, I've always been on the left.
	I'm on the left.
	But this doesn't feel right anymore.
	This doesn't seem right.
	Not everyone that disagrees with us is a bigot.
	We're becoming all of the things that we hate.
	So the phrase regressive left because these people were not progressive.
	They were not for positive change.
	They were actually for regressing, meaning judging people as only as black
	or as Muslim or as white or whatever else.
	It became hot.
	I definitely pushed it as much as I possibly could.
	I haven't been saying it that much anymore because I think it took root.
	It took root.
	Now many, many people say it all the time.
	And I think it's a perfectly valid way to describe these people.
	But at this point, it's almost the whole left.
	It's almost the whole left because liberals are not really,
	a real liberal is not part of left anymore.
	And that's the part that people don't understand.
	And for all of you guys that watch this and get that, you're way ahead of what's going to happen culturally.
	Because six months from now, you're going to see it because this new center is appearing.
	The decent conservatives and the decent liberals are all realizing, whoa, whoa, whoa.
	All right, we are, you know what, we don't think about the exact same thing on taxes or You're for a little more foreign aid than I am or you don't want to spend this on that.
	But all right, we're kind of in the same boat together because the principles that we believe in are the same of logic and reason or whatever.
	And then we let the best argument win.
	So that's an interesting piece of what's happening here.
	But I would say, how did I get out?
	Man, you know, the real time, I've said this a thousand times, but the moment that Sam was on real time, and that whole thing happened, and I didn't know who Sam really was before that.
	I don't even think I was following him on Twitter, I'd maybe heard his name before, but I really didn't know who he was.
	And I love Bill Maher.
	I've always wanted to get on Real Time.
	When I started doing stand-up in 98, I wanted to get on Politically Incorrect.
	I've met Bill.
	I met Bill twice in this past year.
	I've met with the team, the executive producer and the booker over there.
	So hopefully I'll get on Real Time soon enough.
	And we're trying to get Bill in here.
	But here I thought, here's Bill Maher, who's the standard bearer for liberalism,
	who has fought more for other people and for minorities and against militarism,
	and was for watching the government and all of this stuff.
	And here's this guy, Sam Harris, who just quoted some pupils,
	who seems like a decent enough guy.
	And here's Affleck screaming, "You're gross and racist."
	And then suddenly, because he used buzzwords, the next day, all of the websites,
	everybody, BuzzFeed, Mediaite, everybody, was saying, "Is Bill Maher racist?"
	Is Sam Harris racist?
	I mean, Bill Maher is racist, all of this shit.
	And then the usual clown car of dishonest morons, I don't even have to mention them by name, but you know who they are, they all just started selectively editing clips lying about what Sam said, lying about what Bill said, and they just thought they had carte blanche now to say, yep, Yep, yep.
	They think all Muslims are this.
	And nobody ever said that.
	They've gone out of their way to never say it.
	There is a difference between Muslims as people, individual people, versus the doctrine of Islam.
	Those are different things.
	It's only important when people act on certain things.
	So, of course, the nominal Muslim, just like the nominal Christian person, or the nominal Jew, or the nominal Buddhist, go live your life.
	Congratulations.
	It's all yours.
	Go do it.
	Don't push.
	That shit on anybody else.
	Don't try to hurt anybody for those beliefs.
	Don't try to legislate those beliefs.
	But anyway, so that was my real awakening.
	And what's very cool is, if you watch on YouTube Week, I talked to Joe in Egypt.
	And some of you guys may know, I don't know if you heard about this, but Joe is actually in jail right now.
	I've been trying to find out some stuff behind the scenes.
	We don't think it has anything directly to do with free speech or anything, but he showed his face On the show, I said to him, if you want to wear a Spider-Man mask when you do it, you don't have to show your face, but he wanted to.
	He's an incredible free thinker and atheist and blah, blah, blah.
	And he mentioned on the show that his awakening, I think he's 32, his awakening was the same day as mine because of that real-time thing.
	And he's, this is a guy who's, I don't know, how many miles is that from LA?
	It's gotta be 8,000 miles or something, halfway across the world.
	And he had an awakening and he said, the internet's magic.
	I could have never had access to this kind of information if it wasn't for that.
	And then a few more things.
	Charlie Hebdo was the straw that broke the camel's back for me when they were defending... No, don't do those cartoons.
	It's offensive.
	Really?
	Well, what else shouldn't we do if it's gonna offend people?
	I guess gays shouldn't get married, because that is offensive to religious nutbags.
	I guess, you know, women probably shouldn't be allowed to wear bikinis, because that's offensive.
	The line, once you give an inch, they'll take a mile.
	And all of that shit.
	And they think that they're doing good amongst that, and they're really not.
	So, to answer your question, How do you get regressives to realize the truth?
	Try to argue from fact and reason and logic as much as you possibly can.
	That, I think, is the most important thing.
	Because they will argue from a place of emotion.
	Because it feels right.
	And what they've done is they've created a situation where everyone else is racist.
	So if you disagree with them, you're a racist.
	You're a bigot.
	So it automatically insulates them from logic.
	Because the more that you beat that... I've seen this many times.
	I've seen this with friends of mine.
	Friends of mine who I still have right now.
	I've lost some friends this past year.
	I gained some new great friends.
	But I've seen this with friends of mine even now where I will be arguing about this stuff.
	It'll be two hours later and I'll say, did I say anything that wasn't true?
	Did I say anything that wasn't honest or real here?
	Did I factually say anything that was wrong?
	And they'll say, no, no, no, but they'll be so angry.
	Angry because it's a brainwashing.
	And to get people out of that, it takes work.
	But I really, the truth will set you free.
	And I think we, I really think we can do it.
	And I think for the first time, although I didn't expect this, even though Milo said this on my show, you know what Milo said the first time he was on my show back in, I think it was last October.
	So if you find it on YouTube, it's the first interview I did with him.
	We have him coming back in February, by the way.
	But what Milo said was that if Trump gets elected, it will destroy the social justice thing at the height of its power.
	And that's the only thing that could crush this.
	Now, I heard him say that, and I understood why he was saying it.
	But I do sense that the Trump win, even though I did not support Trump, was an actual win for free thinking, as crazy as that is.
	And by the way, I'm friends with a lot of good people who have been on my show, who are far smarter than me, who completely disagree with me on this, and that's okay.
	We will see.
	We will see.
	Will Trump crack down on the media?
	Will he, you know, scare media people from talking about him?
	He's going to tweet about them.
	I agree with him.
	Mainstream media is garbage.
	But you know what, Trump?
	Then come and talk to me here.
	Sit across from there.
	I'm not going to give you the questions in advance.
	And I will do it as honestly and as forthright as I would do it with Hillary or anyone else.
	Hillary's welcome here, too.
	But at some point, I think Trump will have to do some kind of stuff like that.
	We'll see what happens.
	So I think the best thing that you can do Be as honest as you can.
	It sounds cliche, but I really do think that's the truth.
	You know what?
	We got about, I don't know, there's a thousand some odd people in here.
	If you guys could share this, if you can just throw it up, if you can click like or whatever on your on your YouTube feed, put it on there for your friends to see if you can tweet it out or Facebook.
	YouTube did tell us that there was a bug on our channel that our videos were not going out to people.
	Just a week or two, they denied that that bug even existed.
	They did this very Big video on how that shit's not happening.
	I have an email from them that says it was happening with our channel.
	So I don't know what the truth is.
	I'm not trying to fight with YouTube.
	But if you guys can just promote this out, because we believe now.
	I don't know if maybe it's been fixed.
	The thing that didn't happen yet suddenly got fixed.
	If you can promote this out to your people, that would be great.
	Okay, so a lot of you don't know who I'm talking about with Joe.
	So let me back up on Joe.
	So Joe, he's a YouTuber.
	I don't know what the name of the channel is offhand, but he's The Last Pharaoh is the name of his channel on YouTube.
	He's a 32-year-old atheist and freethinker in Egypt.
	This is a great guy who I connected with over the last year.
	We did our fan show and he emailed and he said he wanted to do it.
	I said to him, is it safe for you to do in Egypt?
	I don't know if it's safe.
	I don't want you to get in any trouble.
	Again, I said, if you want to wear a Spider-Man mask, you can do that.
	We can modify your voice.
	I mean, anything.
	He said, no, I want to put myself out there.
	When he does his videos on his channel, it's usually just voiceover with graphics and things and text.
	So he was on my show.
	It's one of my favorite things that I've ever done, actually.
	He's a great guy.
	And he knew that he might get into some trouble for it.
	Now, he apparently got into some trouble for some other stuff.
	It's a little unclear exactly what happened.
	I can't even get into all of it.
	But trust me, I'm trying to contact some people behind the scenes to find out what's going on.
	But you can check out our interview.
	He's an incredible guy.
	He's an incredible guy.
	And if you want to see who's right, who's right and who's just, I connect with this guy, this brown former Muslim.
	Or ex-Muslim, I suppose, living in Egypt.
	I've been to Egypt, by the way.
	I wish I could go back.
	I would love to go back.
	I was there last in 1997.
	And we're connecting over ideas across the world.
	That's a beautiful thing.
	That's what it's all about.
unidentified		So, you know, it's... We live in a crazy world, people!
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		A bunch of people have asked, will I have... Will I have Jon Stewart on the show?
		So we're working to get Jon Stewart.
		And I mentioned just before that I signed with William Morris Endeavor, which is the biggest agency out here.
		So I think they're going to help facilitate us getting some of the big people that I've really wanted that we haven't had access to.
		We got a couple of major A-list people that it's almost done deals with.
		I don't want to jinx anything by saying it right now.
		But I would love to have Jon Stewart.
		You know, I was an intern at The Daily Show in 1999, which it sounds like a lifetime ago, but it was before The Daily Show was thought of as a big hit.
		Craig Kilbourne, who was a Sports Center anchor, who I loved, and at one time I wanted
		to be a Sports Center anchor, Craig Kilbourne had just left "The Daily Show"
		and Jon Stewart had just taken over.
		And it was a strange time to be there because they had very different styles,
		but you had Craig Kilbourne's writers writing for Jon.
		Jon wasn't a big star yet.
		The show wasn't huge.
		Comedy Central wasn't even that big at the time, but I had a couple of interesting,
		nice conversations with Jon.
		I kind of blamed him for the fact that I'm still in this business
		because we were at a holiday party, "The Daily Show" holiday party, Christmas party.
		And I went up to him.
		I was just starting to do standup.
		The intern, but I was like, "Ah, I'm gonna go up to the guy."
		And I said to him, I was like, John, and I knew everyone wanted to talk to him or whatever.
		And I was like, you know, young kid, I don't know, 1920s, something like that.
		And I said to him, I said, John, I know you're busy, but you know, I'm stand up.
		And, you know, could you give me one, one piece of advice, one piece of advice that I can go with that'll give me something.
		And without hesitation, without even thinking for a second, he goes, don't stop.
		Don't stop.
		And I think ultimately, it's the best piece of advice that I ever got.
		Because when, whether you're doing stand, whatever you're doing in your life, whatever your passion is, Whether you are a ditch digger, or a bus driver, or whatever it is that you do, if you're an artist, or a painter, or a contractor, or a YouTuber, or whatever you are, don't stop is the simple best answer to anything.
		It's gonna suck at times.
		There have been a million times that I wanted to quit stand-up, that I couldn't take it anymore, that I got close to getting a TB deal that fell through at the last second, or I was promised this gig or that gig that didn't happen.
		Or I saw people who were less talented or who were hacks that got things that I didn't, all that shit.
		And Don't Stop, because the beauty of Don't Stop, even though it sounds cliche, is that it's really encompassing everything.
		It's saying, it sucks.
		If you want something that's special, it's gonna suck to get there.
		And now that, for me, I think I'm a little bit on the other side and I have a business and a home, and it's because of you guys, it's awesome.
		It's truly awesome.
		That's the thing that changed for me this year more than anything else.
		Is that the stuff that I've cared about, that I've worked for, kind of came into reality this year.
		It's an amazing thing.
		It's truly an amazing thing.
		Okay, so a million people have asked me to get Thomas Sowell on the show, and we have tried, we have tried.
		We had a basically a yes, and then they did a little more research on us, and it sounds like he really only does interviews with conservatives at this point.
		He's 84 years old.
		I don't begrudge the guy anything.
		I think that's totally fine.
		We have followed up and said that, you know, I totally respect the guy and I've read some of his books and I have nothing but admiration for him and it wouldn't be a gotcha interview or anything like that, so hopefully it'll happen.
		I really hope it'll happen.
		I know he was on Ben Shapiro's show the other, maybe a couple weeks ago, so I, you know what, I'll reach out to Ben and just ask if he can maybe put in a good word for me.
		Let's see.
		Am I going to interview Richard Spencer?
		So Richard Spencer I guess is, and I say this completely truthfully, as everything I say to you is totally truthful, I don't fully understand who he is.
		People say he's the leader of the alt-right.
		I don't even know, is that really a group?
		Is that an organization?
		Like, what are they?
		Are they just a bunch of guys hanging out in white hoods?
		Like, I don't know exactly.
		But I know he's been in some videos, he's done some interviews and things.
		I'm not opposed to it.
		I'm really not.
		I suppose if he reached out to me, I would do it.
		You know, my feeling about what... You guys know my feelings about the alt-right at this point, but I think it's this mix of shit posters and mean posters and trolls and people having fun, and then there's actual white supremacists.
	There's actual...
	You know, there's actual bigots just like there's bigots on the left, there's bigots on the right, and there's probably some centrist bigots, although that would be an odd place to be.
	We've got a kind of funny idea for an SNL skit, the centrist bigot.
	So I don't know that I have to help amplify his voice.
	I would treat him in studio with the same respect I would treat anyone else with.
	So maybe.
	I'm genuinely not opposed to it, is what I would say.
	A bunch of people asked about Jon Stossel.
	We have connected.
	He just left his Fox show.
	I've always loved Jon, from when he was on 2020.
	20 years ago.
	I think he's really, you know, he's probably a little more of a libertarian where I would say I'm a classical liberal, but I think he's a really interesting guy and I think he's going to go big on the digital space right now.
	So, you know, I think maybe I blazed that trail a little bit and maybe he'd learn a little something from me.
	So I think that would be a cool conversation.
	Someone on Patreon said, Dave, you're shilling for Putin by not exclusively talking about Russia, the scariest thing in the world.
	That's funny.
	That's funny.
	Yeah, the Russia thing.
	Guys, I mean, you know, think about how everyone is just such a bullshit artist.
	Everyone that pretends to know everything that's going on.
	All these pundits who've never accomplished anything in their lives, who have no social media followings, they get six retweets on things and four likes, versus the people who are actually influential.
	All these people, they...
	Four years ago, Mitt Romney says that Russia's our biggest geopolitical foe.
	Everyone mocks him.
	And I'm pretty sure I mocked him on Twitter, too.
	Everyone mocks him, right?
	I'm sure I posted something about Drago and Rocky.
	I'm sure I did.
	Now, everyone does that.
	Then the reality is that maybe Russia is a little bit more.
	Maybe we have this Russian reset that doesn't work.
	Do we know what Putin's doing?
	Hacking emails, WikiLeaks, all of this stuff.
	Do I think we're going to war with Russia?
	No.
	I think if they had had more shit on Clinton and she had become president, there would be more reason to go to war.
	Uh, you know, I think, uh, not, not that I would want to go to that war, but I think Hillary as president, if she knew that they have a ton of shit on her and the Democrats, what leverage would she have, right?
	They could have blackmailed her for all we know.
	You know, and again, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, but you have
	to view that as a possibility.
	I don't think Trump wants to go to war with Russia.
	I think it's complete fear mongering.
	So when, you know, conventional thinking is that it's only Republicans who fear monger
	to go to war, even though plenty of Democrats vote for wars, like Joe Biden and Hillary
	Clinton voted for the Iraq war.
	I think they're doing a lot more war mongering at the moment, which again, is another reason
	that we need more political parties.
	We need a centrist party, a new center.
	We need a new center.
	We need a cool name for it, but we're gonna get there.
	And by the way, speaking of cool center, new center.
	This book just arrived in the mail today.
	I've read the advanced copy already.
	But this book, The Atheist Muslim, is written by my friend Ali Rizvi, who's been on the show Who I think is such a great guy, who takes, in this book, basically talks about why he's an atheist.
	He's a non-believer, but he has the cultural attachment to being a Muslim, meaning celebrating holidays doesn't mean he has to believe in things that aren't real, and doesn't come with any of the extra baggage that religion might come from.
	There's a lot of people of other faiths, of Christianity and Judaism that believe this way, that they don't necessarily believe in a literal sense, and they don't necessarily believe in anything they can't prove.
	But this is such an important book for everything that's going on right now, and I'm so proud, more than anything else, that we got—who do we have here?
	Stephen Pinker's on here, Sam Harris, Majid Nawaz, Raheel Raza, Jerry Coyne, who's going to be on our show in two or three weeks, and this guy.
	Dave Rubin.
	How did he get on there?
	I guess they had one slot open.
	And I think Ollie's just great, so I'm proud to be part of that.
	Dave, when are you getting back any of the following?
	Sam Harris, Jordan Peterson, Douglas Murray.
	Sam launched my show the first time, season one.
	He launched my show season two.
	I'm gonna try to give him like a six month break, I think.
	Sam has been so good to me.
	I'm gonna give him a little break.
	Jordan Peterson, we'll definitely have him back soon, next time he's in LA.
	We did that on Google Hangout, this thing.
	Because we were building the studio and that's how we had to do it and there was the audio wasn't great And you know you lose something I would always rather sit across from somebody and be able to look them in the eyes and really understand them And you know you you get something different with body language with people My ability to even ask a follow-up question in the proper way you know sometimes if I ask a question in a certain way and I can just someone leans back and you know this or this or that and Or a certain pause or they look away or whatever.
	It does adjust how I want to react to them and you lose a lot of that when you do it on Hangout.
	So we'll definitely have him back.
	And Douglas Murray for sure.
	Douglas is one of the sharpest minds.
	I think he's basically the next Hitchens.
	He's so smart and fearless and excellent and I definitely will have him back.
	A couple people have asked about Trey and Matt, the South Park guys.
	We've been trying.
	And I have my William Morris guys working on them.
	You know, they turn the episodes around so fast that during the season, it's basically impossible to get them.
	And then after the season, they really want to shut it down.
	I don't blame them for that.
	But we will get them for sure.
	A longer interview with Stephen Fry.
	Absolutely.
	He has said he'll do it.
	He got in some hot water for our last interview, but he's a great guy.
	He's just a great person.
	And yes, we absolutely will.
	We'll do that.
	You want to jump to some non-politics stuff?
	If you guys got some non-politics stuff, we can do that too.
	This is it for me.
	I'll basically go for a while now because...
	Is it.
	I'm getting off the grid.
	Tomorrow is December 23rd.
	I will be off until I guess January 2nd.
	We do have a show coming out next week in case you're jumping in late.
	So I taped a show for you.
	You're not going to miss anything.
	I think you're going to really dig the interview that I do next week.
	It's really cool.
	It's a great way to end the year.
	And the direct message I do is really gets to the heart of the things that I care about.
	But this has been a great year because of you guys.
	You help me build something that I'm really proud of and that makes me try to be a better person all the time.
	And I fail sometimes, but it makes me try.
	And I love all of you that love what I do.
	Even the ones that hate me, you guys don't bother me either.
	It's the couple people that are relentlessly hatred.
	Get a hobby.
	You know what I mean?
	It doesn't even bother... You send me shit all day long.
unidentified		You hate me.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		Ruben's a fucking idiot.
		Fuck him and fuck that guy.
		That doesn't really bother me as much as it just seems like you should probably find something better to do with your time.
		You know what I mean?
		Like, what are you doing with your life?
		You're tweeting at me all day long.
		Come on.
		Fine thing.
		There's got to be other hobbies out there.
		I love this question.
		All right.
		Which Star Wars spin-off would you love to see?
		So here's my thing.
		OK, so for those of you that haven't seen Rogue One, for 60 seconds, can you mute this so I can just say a little something about Rogue One?
		But I don't want to ruin it for anybody.
		So for 60 seconds, mute this.
		Then I'll go like this.
		And then you'll know that Rogue One talk is over, OK?
		So Rogue One in 60 seconds.
		I didn't love it.
		I love all the Star Wars.
		I can make good arguments for the prequels.
		Attack of the Clones sucked, and Phantom Menace sucked, but I think Sith was pretty good.
		The overriding story, the political story, is actually quite apropos to a lot of things happening right now.
		Putting that aside, the original three, of course, were all amazing.
		I would argue the original is the best, not Empire.
		And I think Force Awakens might be the second best of all of them, because the lift was so big to do that, to reset it, to get those actors involved, to make it feel original and old school and all that stuff.
		I just loved it, and I have a feeling 8's gonna be awesome too.
		This one, it was a different movie because it was more of a war movie.
		That's fine.
		The characters were all kind of stiff.
		You didn't really care about any of them.
		What's her name?
		The main character?
		I don't even know her name.
		The abandoned girl?
		We just did that with Force Awakens.
		The whole thing ended up being about basically a Wi-Fi tower that wasn't really working.
		There was no real sense of mystery to it.
		And, you know, a lot of shit blew up, and it looked cool, and it was fun seeing ad ads again and all that.
		But the one thing that really drove me crazy was that first scene with Darth Vader, when he sashays out there, and he's like a middle management man, and he's like, oh, you choked.
		Or was it, don't choke on your words?
		But really, that was Darth Vader?
		His mask didn't even look right.
		What I think the movie needed to be It should have been that the rebels stole the plans right at the beginning, and it's a two-hour movie of Vader hunting them down, because this was the opportunity, and this is the spinoff I would have wanted to see.
		In all of the Star Wars movies, if you think about it, in the prequels you get a young Vader, right?
		Not, especially in the first two, not at the height of his powers.
		And in the originals, This is the end of Vader.
		You don't know it at the time, but it's the end of Vader.
		This was the chance in that middle section to give Vader at his most badass, murderous, violent Sith self.
		And the movie should have been him chasing them the entire time, slaughtering people left and right like he did at the end of the movie, and then escaping.
		But that would have been the opportunity to see Vader at his best, which is what everyone wants to see.
		Instead, you got a couple of characters that nobody cared about.
		The blind guy was all right, I guess, and his buddy.
		Who else was in it?
		Yeah, nothing.
		Nobody really cared.
		Okay, moving past row one, so now you can unmute if you haven't seen it yet.
		But I assume if you haven't seen it yet, you don't even really care.
		So I just waved my hands around for nothing.
		Okay, moving on, getting away from that.
		Was I a Sega kid or a Nintendo... This is funny.
		Was I a Sega cool kid or a Nintendo loser?
		So the first video game system that I ever got was Nintendo Entertainment System, 8-bit Nintendo, with Super Mario Bros.
	and Duck Hunt.
	I believe that was 1985, maybe 1986.
	And that, to me, is my favorite video game system of all time.
	It was just perfect, and as I've said before, I have my Wii now, so I can still play old-school games, playing Contra and Lifeforce and Tecmo Bowl and Legendary Wings, which is a great game.
	And a couple others.
	I was one of the first people to beat Zelda 2, The Adventure of Link, because I went to some, I was at my grandma's, we went to a store to get, we went to like a Sears kind of store, but it wasn't Sears, we were going to get something, I don't know what it was, and they had Zelda, but I knew because of Nintendo Power Magazine, it wasn't supposed to be out for another two or three weeks, they must have screwed up something with the stock.
	My brother and I played the hell out of that game, and we beat it before most people had it, which was one of my proudest video game moments.
	But Sega Genesis, I loved.
	Love, love, love Sega Genesis 2.
	Altered Beast, Ghouls and Ghosts.
	I loved all the sports games.
	I mean, that's where I got into EA, NBA Live, Lakers Celtics, Madden, all the rest of that stuff.
	Okay, what else?
	I'm getting a zillion texts here, too, from all kinds of people.
unidentified		Woo!
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		How are you guys doing?
		This is a lot of talking.
		Something funny.
		I mean, think about it.
		There's something actually really funny about the talking to the camera thing, because it's so interactive.
		This is so much more live and real than what you get on television.
		I mean, if I was a guy on television, let's pretend I was a guy on television right now.
		If you turn on CNN right now, like, what are you watching?
		You have a guy and he's reading off a teleprompter.
		I know what it's like to read off a teleprompter.
		You know, I do my direct messages.
		I read off it.
		And, you know, there's something inherently stiff about it.
		Like, I would much rather speak as myself.
		The reason we write those things is because, you know, I want to get across a point without forgetting it or getting lost in a bigger idea.
		So I read them and I try to do it as naturally as I possibly can.
		But you can never be as natural as when you're just speaking from your mind, you know?
		Which is why I like these live streams more and why we'll definitely do live streams once the studio's Set up to do it.
		We'll do lives.
		We'll do live stream shows.
		We'll do everything live, which will be pretty awesome Okay, so a couple people have asked about my new commute.
		My commute is great.
		My commute is literally 10 feet down the hall Which is awesome.
		My bedroom is right there So I'd love to start doing some more stuff in the morning I always thought I would be good at the sort of a morning show thing and I have a cup of coffee and Well, what's happening today?
		And you don't want to get too crazed into politics.
		Let's just set you up for the things you need to know and get out there so you don't look like an idiot all day when people are talking about, you know, what's going on in the world.
		It's pretty sweet.
		You know, even our other studio was great.
		So you guys know we were at Oro before that, and then we were at our temporary studio for a couple months.
		It was a great situation there, I loved everybody there, but the commute was about an hour from where I live now, and LA traffic is just crazy and eventually the economics of it just weren't
		working out. So this is a great beautiful thing. And you know another thing that's very cool is that
		we'll start doing stuff on the fly, like you know I have some kind of cool, some public, some
		whatever people, authors and things that come over for dinner, whatever it is, like we can
		start doing shows just like that, like you know I'm having dinner with whatever or I'm drunk with this
		guy, whatever it is.
		So we can do some really cool stuff.
		So again, this is purely because you guys showed me the money, no pun intended, on Patreon.
		Patreon.com slash the Rubin Report.
		No, Patreon.com slash Rubin Report.
		I added the the.
		Ignore the the.
		Okay, wait, what's going on here?
		You know what?
		Well, here's what we'll do.
		I wasn't even planning on doing this, but we'll put the donate link right down below, so it's RubinReport.com slash donate, and you can donate one time on PayPal or on Patreon.
		I give live shoutouts to anybody that donates, whatever it is.
		It's a dollar, whatever it is, I'm happy to give live shoutouts, that's no problem.
		And yeah, it's been a crazy year, and I think this is what's really cool.
		Is that for all of you that are watching this, we really were ahead of the curve on some of this stuff.
		You know, after Trump won, people were going bananas.
		The next day, I mean people were still going bananas, but the next day people were literally like suicidal.
		People were going crazy.
		And again, as I said before, I think it was on the other stream before it freaked out, the best argument you can have for a small government is that if you are for big government, If you're guys in and it's big government, you love it, right?
		Well, the things that you want are happening and it's happening at the behest of government.
		Well, guess what?
		Unless you live in a totalitarian or fascist, under a fascist regime, Your people will not always be in power.
		So eventually someone that you don't want will be in charge of that big government and then you will hate it.
		So that's the best argument to limited government and individual liberty.
		Because the only way you can unfurl the power that the government has over you is live your life.
		Live your life.
		That's it.
		I want roads.
		I don't want people to blow shit up when I go to the supermarket.
		I want decent education and a couple other things.
	And we can talk about health care and a few other things the government can do or help facilitate.
	But beyond that, the best argument for a small government is that you will not always be in power.
	So the bigger you make government, you're setting yourself up to be destroyed one day.
	I don't know that anyone, I mean, I'm sure that many political thinkers have thought about that, but I think it's a concept that I definitely should push on the show more.
	I want to give a shout out to John on PayPal.
	Thank you, my friend.
	Would you rather have 10 million subscribers or a show on TV?
	So that's good.
	So look, right now, I mean this.
	I really do mean this.
	I have 95% of what I want professionally.
	I really do.
	I have an incredible audience that I can engage with.
	I have a studio in my house, which is amazing.
	I've connected myself with the right people that I think can really facilitate things moving forward and all that stuff.
	If I wanted to do this differently, there is no doubt that I could be on cable news right now and probably, I don't know that I'd be making a million dollars, but I'd be making a lot more than I'm making now.
	We have a business here, so the money that we get on Patreon, it's not like I'm getting all that money.
	I have a gajillion expenses to keep the business going and now we want to grow and I want to hire some people and all that stuff.
	So I've thought about that a lot.
	Like, what would happen if CNN came to me tomorrow and was like, We'll give you two million dollars a year to do, you know, some other show, and you're going to have a huge staff, but you're also going to have writers, and we're going to tell you what to say, and blah blah blah.
	I mean, why would I trade what I have?
	I think I only have one go-around on this planet, and this one's good.
	So I'll be very upfront with you guys.
	I told when I met with my team at William Morris, I said to them, look, I love what I'm doing.
	We can figure out ways to spin off, we can figure out ways to grow and all that, but I have control and ownership over a beautiful thing and a real audience, a real audience.
	I got a little Twitter tiff with a Huffington Post guy about a week ago, it doesn't even matter who, but someone that's pretty high up at Huffington Post.
	And we got this little tiff, which was ultimately me inviting him on the show is how it started.
	And my tweets about it, about this little tiff that we got into, you've got hundreds and some of them got thousands of retweets and favorites.
	Him coming back at me, we're getting, you know, two, three favorites, likes.
	Now I'm not, I'm not trying to, this isn't a dick measuring contest.
	I'm trying to show you that we've built something here that's real versus all this, this mainstream media shit.
	Look at the, look at the attraction.
	That these guys get on social media and it's not real.
	They get retweeted and shared by their own people, but not by real people, by you guys.
	And that's what's very, very cool about this.
	So I think the things that I'd like for the show, I'd like for the show to grow.
	Look, if we had a bigger budget, I could put some advertising money into this where all these things that you see are getting massive clicks, you know, it's because they have budgets, like real budgets where we don't have, we don't have budget.
	You know, we've never put total in, in all of the years that I've been doing videos, Maybe, and I think I'm probably exaggerating, maybe we put $1,500 into advertising and I'm pretty sure I'm exaggerating on that.
	I think there was one time like an $800 buy on something when we were with Riot for a little while and everything else I would say max comes out at $700.
	People put more than that in a video in a day.
	So anyway, I'm very cool with where we're at and what we're building and we're going to keep building and it's going to be awesome.
	Orin on PayPal gave 17 cents.
	17 cents and you got a shout out.
	That is the best deal in the business, my man.
	I also wanna thank Eric who hooked us up on PayPal.
	Would I ever interview Charlie Booker, writer of Black Mirror?
	I would love to do that.
	Let's write that down.
	Talking to the team on the other side of the computer here.
	I love Black Mirror.
	Believe it or not, I've only seen half of this season, because that's how freaking busy I've been.
	But in this next week, I'm gonna catch up on a whole bunch of stuff.
	Tonight, I'm going to watch the final finale of Westworld, which I've been catching up on, just saw the second to last one last night, which I love, obviously.
	It combines so many things that I care about, you know, about future stuff, and there's a political element to it, and there's a social element to it.
	I just love it.
	But yes, I would love to have the writer of Black Mirror.
	You know, the phones This thing that we're walking around with, I only have an iPad here, but pretend this was a little smaller.
	This thing is changing the world.
	We are all walking around with all of this access to information right now, and that's why people are so crazy, too, because you're slant, you can sometimes, I do this, I'm trying not to do it, and hopefully, well, I know I'm not gonna do it for the next nine days when I'm off the grid, but you know, you can get up.
	How many of you, I'm curious right now, we'll do a little impromptu poll on YouTube.
	How many of you guys, you get up, and before you even get out of bed, you look at your phone.
	There are mornings that I get up and I immediately, I'm looking at Twitter, and I can have 10 people tell me to go fuck myself before I get out of bed.
	That's not a normal thing.
	Or I could have 100 people tell me they love me and they love what I'm doing, and that's also not normal.
	So these things are actually changing the way we, it's changing so fast, even from one generation of them.
	I think my parents' generation.
	I'm not that old.
	I'm 40 years old.
	My parents' generation.
	When my parents were born, there was no television in the house.
	Television did not exist.
	So think about the changes that happened so incredibly, incredibly fast.
	Actually, this does remind me, and we got to book this.
	I have a 93-year-old cousin who lives in My grandma, who's gone, is her first cousin.
	And this woman is a genealogist who was sharp as a tack, has done my family tree back to
	the 1700s.
	I mean, she's a really amazing woman.
	Lost a lot of family members in the Holocaust.
	Has an incredible life story as a businesswoman in the 60s and 70s.
	All kinds of really interesting stuff.
	I'm going to put her on the show because I think it would be an amazing discussion.
	My point being of how things change.
	And now she's on the computer all the time.
	She's emailing me all the time.
	And she was on Uber the other day.
	So things change fast and we need to be aware of it.
	That's why Black Mirror is such a wonderful show, by the way.
	I'm sure I have some more shout-outs to catch up to here.
	Krista on PayPal, thank you.
	Okay, real talk, Dave.
	And by the way, I'm reading these just as they're coming in, so I'm not doing any editing here.
	You keep saying, my guys, when you talk about the left, yet you also call yourself a classical liberal, which means socially liberal and economically conservative, yet the left are supposed to be economically liberal and socially liberal.
	So why do you still insist on saying, I want the left to be better?
	Okay, so then there was a part that I started reading, which is about what I'm about going to say to you right now, which is watch my DM from next week.
	Believe me, I hear your question.
	It is completely valid.
	It's something that I think about a lot, that people ask me.
	People come up to me on the street and say, you know, why are you on the left still?
	Are you on the left still?
	What the hell happened on the left?
	I had a meeting today with somebody.
	What are you doing on the left still?
	Things you were talking about.
	These are not things that the left cares about, about free speech and about equality and individuals and liberty.
	These are not things.
	Watch the video I do next week where I explain classical liberalism versus progressivism, which is what most people think of when they say liberal, and how that's different from libertarianism.
unidentified		I think you will dig it.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		What's the biggest thing you disagree with with Steven Crowder?
		That's a good one.
		You know, Crowder—not cares about, that's the wrong way to frame it.
		Crowder has spent much more time, I think, thinking about the gun, the specifics of the gun stuff, more than I have.
		And, you know, he said he was going to buy me a gun, which I am 100% willing to do.
		I've never owned a gun.
		Um, but I think going through the process would be really interesting.
		Number one, so something we really disagree on, because I need to know a little bit more.
		I have a feeling I would want more gun control than him.
		I'm not, I'm 100% for the second amendment and I believe that we have the right to bear arms and I think the government could become tyrannical.
		And I think people have a right to defend themselves in their own house and all that stuff.
		I think he's probably for more some maybe some more open carry stuff or
		you know little things here and there. There's probably some economic differences we have.
		You know he did this waterboarding thing yesterday and he asked me if waterboarding is torture. Now
		from everything that I've seen waterboarding is torture and that generally speaking torture does
		It gets you fake information or nonsensical, not correct information, because these people are under duress and will say anything to survive.
		I think he's for it as a means of getting information.
		I don't know that there's any evidence that that's actually true.
		But again, these are the type of things that I would love to discuss with him further.
		I got no problem with Steven Crowder.
		I like him.
		Not really no problem with him.
		I like the guy.
		Period.
		A whole bunch of people jumped in on PayPal.
		Poetry Poems, Civic Brooks, Carl Warren, ALMU, and Jeffrey.
		And Troy jumped in on Patreon.
		$200 a month.
		Thank you.
		Well, thank you all, you guys, but thank you, Troy.
		That is the budget.
		That is the monthly budget that we have to go ahead and do this show and build it.
		And as I said, we want to hire some more people and do more content.
		We can't really do much more because we've got to be able to hire some more people and do it.
		It's pretty cool and I'd rather build the show with you guys than build it with some network that I don't really care about and that would want to control me and my message.
		That's the funny thing that's happening right now.
		This is happening all over the business.
		I'm in LA, so I'm in Hollywood.
		There's a real realization within the main people here that run the agencies.
		They've realized what I've been talking about, what a lot of us have been talking about, that nobody gives a shit about these fake plastic people anymore.
		These are not real people.
		These are people that are supposed to be guarding the people in power and they're having dinner with them or they're married to them.
		All of the people on CNN and all these channels that are married to big time politicians.
		I don't want to go to parties with these fucking people.
		Yes.
		So next year, if they invite me to the White House Correspondents Dinner, would I go?
		Yes, obviously.
		Obviously, but I don't need to be friends with these people at that level because then, of course, eventually it all amalgamizes into one god-awful sewage of bullshit, and that's what we got, and that's what we have right now, and we need to fix it.
		From Patreon, Liberal Party, Dave, that's the name for your new party, somewhere that makes sense to have some government but not infringe on realistic freedoms.
		So the problem why I don't think calling it the liberal party would work is that the world
		liberal has really been tainted.
		And this is something here, so something that I disagree with Crowder on.
		I have tried to say to Crowder many times, because he'll say, "These liberal progressives,
		these liberal liberals, these people are not liberal."
		When I'm talking about progressives that want bigger government, that want collectivist thinking, that want the oppression Olympics, that everyone that disagrees with them is a bigot or a racist, and they want to de-platform everyone, all that stuff, these are not liberal values.
		But the word liberal has been so tainted and twisted from what it really means, and again, this is what my video is on about next week, that I don't know that we can take that word back.
		So I think something more along the lines of the New Center, But that's not catchy enough.
		We need something that sounds right.
		You know, and Libertarian, unfortunately, they have some of the infrastructure because they're on all the ballots.
		But it's not Libertarianism either, what I'm talking about.
		Because, as I said, I do see some role for government.
		So I don't think it can be the Liberal Party, unfortunately.
		But I think there's something.
		It's going to come.
	It's going to evolve.
	And I know for a fact that there are a lot of people Not just in the world that I'm in, but in the political world and everything else that are seeing this.
	And I see that a lot of things that I talk about on this show suddenly bubble up to some of these dingbats on some of the cable news stuff.
	And I'm not saying that they're stealing it all from me, they're stealing it from a lot of other people because they want to do anything that'll get them That'll get them clicks and whatever, but anyway.
	Thanks to Eric on PayPal.
	Thanks to Matthew on PayPal.
	And a couple other that I miss.
	Shane, Eric, and Matthew also.
	So we got two Erics, two Shanes back-to-back.
	Somebody said, I should have tried to have Harry Reader, Barbara Boxer on their way out.
	Not that I have any respect for either.
	You know, I met Barbara Boxer like the week I moved to LA.
	I was at some event.
	It was something that Willie, Who's the Willie that smokes a lot of weed?
	Willie Nelson.
	I had a little weed moment there.
	Willie Nelson was giving something at some green something or other LA something that I was invited to, and I walked by the trailer and it stunk of weed.
	I mean, the guy's still smoking a lot of weed, I'll tell you that much.
	Anyway, I sat at a table over from Barbara Boxer, And I went up to her and I said, you know, Senator Boxer, I'm probably the most important person here that you could talk to tonight because I just moved to California.
	So I'm a potential new constituent.
	She was actually very nice.
	So I would be happy to be either one of them.
	Harry Reid, I think, has done a lot of bad stuff.
	And I think his rhetoric often is as ridiculous as a lot of people on the right.
	But of course, I would talk to both of them.
	I mean, that's one of the things also that I want to do is I want to start getting some of the more heavyweights into here.
	And also, hopefully, And again, this is going to be a huge challenge for Trump.
	If you hate the mainstream media, then you've got to go to some of the other access points.
	And if us online people are that, which I think we are, then eventually you may have to sit down with me.
	Or you may have to sit down with someone like me if it's not going to be me for whatever reason.
	And you can't just keep, you can't keep saying the mainstream media sucks,
	they're all untrustworthy, they're selectively editing and blah, blah, blah,
	but then not go to a place where we will air it live, you get no questions, I will go as long as you wanna go.
	I won't even bring any questions if you don't want, not if you don't want, whatever,
	I'll decide what I'm gonna do, but that's how we're gonna do it.
	Okay, from Patreon, do a significant number of guests turn you down simply because they're afraid to be public
	about their political beliefs, even in a safe environment?
	That's a great question.
	So I've had a couple people that are pretty big actors that I've reached out to that have told me privately they don't want to talk politics.
	Now, I'm not a big fan of... I don't want to bring actors on to talk about acting.
	Nobody gives a shit about that.
	I don't need them to fake their bullshit that they're doing on Fallon or Tonight Show or any of that crap.
	Nobody's watching that.
	Nobody cares about that.
	So I would only want to talk to people about their political beliefs or their social beliefs or whatever.
	So I have had some big actors that have said no.
	I've had people... I've had plenty of people that I would consider regressives that I have invited privately and publicly that have Either declined or ignored.
	So people say I don't get enough of them.
	Well, a lot of them have been ignoring me or declining me.
	Yeah, a lot of people are afraid to say what they think, without question.
	And that goes from even public people, you know, there are writers that will write a book.
	You know, I'll give you a really interesting example, actually.
	James Woods, the actor James Woods, who is a hardcore conservative.
	He's a hardcore right guy.
	I was following him on Twitter.
	I disagree with him on a lot of stuff.
	I thought some of the stuff he did was overboard, some of the stuff he was saying about Obama, things like that.
	Anyway, but I've always liked – Contact is one of my favorite movies.
	He was in Casino and does voice stuff on Family Guy.
	I really like the guy, the work.
	So I invited him on the show a couple of times, and it got a whole bunch of retweets, so I knew he was seeing it, right?
	And then I bumped into him one day on the street not far from my old apartment.
	And I said, James, you know, I've been, I've been biting on Twitter and guys, Ruben Report.
	And he kind of, I could see you, you know, he's an actor, so maybe he was just acting, but I think he like it registered.
	And he said, he said, I don't want to do video interviews because they can edit them however they want.
	I said, well, we wouldn't do that.
	He said, well, it's not about you.
	It's about how everybody else online will selectively edit.
	And I, and this is a scourge.
	This is a huge problem.
	These people that are selectively editing clips.
	I mean, I'm sure some of these douchebags will do it to me on this video.
	Cause they did it on, they do it on plenty of other stuff that I do.
	But the idea that there's somebody watching this right now, like, how can I get Reuben?
unidentified		Go back and get a life, you loser.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Why'd I stop drinking, someone said.
		I'm drinking very slow because I'm talking to you people.
unidentified		I'm trying not to be rude.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		But you know what?
		If you grab the bottle, I'll refill on that.
		Quick shout out to Josh, who joined on Patreon.
		Sean, who increased his Patreon, thank you.
		Another Josh on Patreon and a Josh on PayPal.
		We got four Joshes?
		Four Joshes within moments.
		You know, there's a cabernet, speaking of wine and Joshes, there's a cabernet called Josh that's made up in California up here that I really dig.
		And I tweeted about it once and they sent me a case of it.
		I've long since had that case, but thank you, Josh.
		Dave, who do you think are the big minds of the moment that would be worth interviewing on your show?
		Um, this is a lot of people that we're trying to get all over the map.
		So I really want to get Bill Maher because I think I would have a truly amazing conversation with him as someone that grew up admiring him that's now in a similar space that has seen the shift of the left That admires 90% of what he does, but I do think sometimes he falls into that thing of saying that everyone that disagrees with him is a bigot or racist, which is ironic because that's been used on him before, like that Affleck thing, but I love him and admire him.
		Um, so I hope that'll happen.
		Um, I'd like to get Neil deGrasse Tyson on here.
		I'd love to get Elon Musk, Peter Thiel.
		Um, a couple, uh, I'd say a bunch of people in that kind of, in that sort of tech.
unidentified		Yeah.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		I'd love to get Zuckerberg or Jack from Twitter.
		I think would be amazing.
		Get some of these tech people who are so intertwined in what's happening now in politics.
		I think would be, I think would be really cool because that's, that's also goes to the black mirror element of this and how we get information.
		I would welcome anyone from a big shot at YouTube to come on and talk to me about how they've done their monetization stuff and their algorithm stuff.
		You know, I've mentioned this before, but you know, some of our videos that have been demonetized, we did three videos or two videos with John McCain.
		John McCain, who's on CNN and Fox and MSNBC every night, who's a senator, who was a Republican presidential candidate.
		They demonetized our videos with him.
		Yeah, we talked about terrorism, we talked about ISIS, talked about a bunch of other stuff, but they demonetized those videos.
		They demonetized our videos with Douglas Murray.
		They demonetized some other videos that we've eventually fought and got some of it back.
		But that's not censorship, but I think as Gad Saad has called it, it's economic censorship, because they're not saying you can't do this stuff, you can't say this, but what they're saying is you're not going to make money on this.
		Now if you're a creator, right, and this is one of the reasons I'm on Patreon, is that if I was only beholden to YouTube, right, and if If I saw, well you know what, if I do anything about ISIS or Islam or free speech or anything else, they don't monetize that.
		Well then by default, if that was the only way I could make my living, I would be shifted into talking about other things.
		So it's not direct censorship, it's economic censorship.
		Now, because of you guys on Patreon, I don't have to do that.
		And, you know, if you see the way we treat the channel, look at the way we title videos and tag them and the thumbnails we put up.
		We're not clickbait.
		We're not trying to trick people into watching, which is why our watch time last month was around 12 and a half minutes, which is unheard of on YouTube.
		So I'm very proud of what we've built here.
		But I would love to talk to somebody from YouTube about how you guys go about deciding the monetization stuff, your algorithm stuff.
		How do you decide to suddenly change it?
		These are all really interesting things that are relevant, not just in the little...
		The little world that is YouTube.
		But they're much bigger culturally because this is where everyone's getting their information.
		Shout out to Allison on Patreon.
		And somebody asked, are you having your own brook on again?
		I just had your own for lunch.
		I had lunch with your own yesterday.
		He's a great guy.
		Really, really dig him.
		You know, he runs the, I think he's the president or the CEO of the Ayn Rand Foundation.
		Really just bright guy who He's a wonderful representative of the beliefs that he has and comes from the right place.
		So yes, we will have him on.
		Actually, I have his book right here, Equal is Unfair.
		He co-wrote it with a guy named Don Watkins, who we're going to have on, I think, first week in January.
		Let's see.
		Are there any countries, world leaders out there standing up to Russia right now that you trust other than the US?
		That's an interesting one because it's hard to figure out who to trust and the way we get information now is so screwy that it's hard to know what countries really want.
		We're also in a strange time because with a lame duck president where we know things are going to be very difficult with Trump, everyone's kind of resetting right now.
		All of these countries are going, alright, we've dealt with Obama in a certain way, we had a pre-Obama world before that.
		For better or worse, you know, Clinton tried the Russian reset.
		Obama tried to do a lot of things in the Middle East by scaling back that didn't quite work.
		So all of, you know, we had this Ukraine thing and Crimea and all this stuff.
		It's like all of these countries have to reevaluate everything.
		So it's hard to figure out where anyone stands at the moment.
		But I think we'll have a better sense of that over the next couple months.
		What do you think about the left now screaming for states' rights due to climate change and immigration concerns?
		I think this is actually a hilarious thing that shows you the power of trolling.
		So, a few people have mentioned this, that Trump has tricked the left into suddenly supporting states' rights, which I would be all for states' rights.
		The reason that states' rights are important is that if you live in a state, let's say you live in California, and California has very high taxes, if you don't like that, then move to Arizona, which has lower taxes.
		Or if you care more about gun control, and you say, well, California has gun laws that I don't like, you can move somewhere else.
		If everything was controlled by the federal government, and Randy Barnett, who's a constitutional
		law professor at Georgetown explained this on my show, he called it the foot vote.
		What you can do is you can take your skills and your money and your life and the value
		of your land, all that stuff, you can take all that and move into another state and then
		bring your wealth, your person, your family, your economics, all of that to another state.
		If the feds controlled everything, your only choice would be to leave the country.
		So states' rights are incredibly important.
		So I think it's very funny now that you see people on the left, suddenly they're for states'
		rights because they don't like Trump, so they don't want the federal government to be able
		to make all these decisions.
		Which, again, is the best argument for states' rights and for limited government, because then, because one day, if you keep making government bigger, one day someone that you don't like is going to be in power, unless you live in a fascist dictatorship.
		So unless you want that, which I think some of these people on the left actually do want, but unless you want that, then the best argument is states' rights, limited government, because then one day someone will come into power and you're not going to like them, but guess what?
	They're not going to have that much control over your life.
	That's a beautiful thing.
unidentified		All right.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		Refilling over here.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		Shout out to Andrew on Patreon and Joshua on Patreon.
unidentified		I think we've set a record with Joshes or Joshuas here.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		That's got to be a lot of Joshes and Joshuas.
		One of my best friends growing up, Josh.
		So there you go.
		Oh, my middle name is Josh.
		Forgot about that too.
		My middle name is Joshua.
		So there you go.
		All right.
		That makes sense now.
		All right.
		Let's see.
		T!
		He's in on this thing.
		All right.
		He says, who are some of your favorite media personalities, political or non?
		So politically, I mean, I've said a zillion times over, Bill Maher, I know Tea probably don't like Bill Maher at all.
		You know, Jon Stewart, I think for a long time really was, I definitely think he took some regressive turns.
		I mentioned this in my interview with Ayaan Hirsi Ali, but if you want to see a tragedy of an interview, watch Ayaan Hirsi Ali on The Daily Show with Jon.
		It's horrible.
		It's actually offensive, it's so bad, the way he was so dismissive to her.
		It's really terrible.
		I would vote for Ayaan Hirsi Ali to be President of the United States for a second.
		I know she wasn't born here.
		Or at least to be a senator or UN ambassador, which people said maybe she would do that.
		But his thing with her was terrible.
		So favorite media personalities, political or non-political?
		Who else do I really like?
		Yeah, I think Ellen's great.
		I'd love to talk to her.
		I'd love to pick her brain on some political stuff.
		The question was least.
		Oh, the question was least?
		Oh, my least favorite media personalities.
		Well online you can probably figure out one or two.
		That'll be easy enough for you guys.
		Who are the people I think are really doing bad stuff?
		Like generally bad stuff that are mainstream?
		Who do I, who?
		Give me some people that I'm always complaining about.
		Oh yeah, this clown Brian Stelter who's on Reliable Sources now.
		Reliable Sources, it's supposed to be, that he's supposed to be policing the media.
		And it's like, this guy's just a clown.
		He regurgitates things that I say weeks later and says it while all in the comforts of CNN.
		You know, it's like, come on, you're not policing anybody.
		He also, I met him once, and the guy right in front of me, he's like, "Oh, you're Dave?
		"Okay, I'll follow you on Twitter."
		He followed me on Twitter.
		He unfollowed me like three days later.
		Like, what kind of person does that?
		That was just pathetic.
		Who else don't I like?
		I mean, there's a bunch of people that you think.
		There's so many people that I like.
unidentified		You don't really like any of them.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't like most of them.
		I don't like most of these.
		Rachel Maddow.
		Yeah, I don't really like Maddow.
		I know a lot of people on the left love Maddow, but she's just sitting there.
		You know, I've been sitting here for two hours just talking directly, but yeah, she's so cutesy.
		I don't know.
		It's just preachy.
		He's the guy late night on Fox.
		That's who I don't like.
		Wait, the late night Fox guy?
		Oh, Waters?
		You don't like that Waters guy?
		No, you like the Waters guy.
		Who?
unidentified		You know, he's got his own show now on Fox.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Greg Gutfeld.
		I don't have a major problem with Greg Gutfeld.
		I don't like Greg.
		Yeah, David doesn't like Greg Gutfeld.
		Nah, he's alright.
		He's kinda... whatever.
		Let me think for a minute.
		The simple truth is, I don't watch any of this garbage anymore.
		Like, actually, since the election, I've watched maybe five minutes of cable news.
		I mean, it's crap and it's irrelevant, and, you know, so you see all these online people who constantly are clipping what's happening on main—they'll scream, mainstream media is irrelevant and evil and awful and blah blah, and then they spend all their days critiquing it and worrying about it and whatever, and it's like, I don't give a shit about these guys.
		Nobody cares about them anymore.
		It's just not important anymore.
		83rd and Amsterdam, which you're seeing right there, David took that picture.
		That used to be my old corner in New York City on the Upper West Side, which to me is the best part
		of New York City, the Upper West.
		It's just such a great blend of people from all sorts of walks of life, ethnically mixed, people with money, without money.
		Gay people, straight people.
		It's such a cool area, the Upper West Side.
		I love living up there.
		I lived on 83rd and Amsterdam, which is basically about a block away from where Seinfeld took place.
		And I used to see Jerry walking around all the time.
		We had a couple of nice interactions.
		But it was very cool, because all the places in the Seinfeld show, I was like, oh, there's the pizzeria, there's the Italian restaurant they used to go to, there's the cleaners, there's this, there's that.
		All right, what else is going on here?
		Dave, did you hear about the mayor of CA pulling millions from a general fund to set up an illegal alien defense fund?
		The mayor of CA, so I'm not sure what you mean, because maybe you mean the governor of California?
		Unless it's a mayor of a town, but I'm not totally sure what you're talking about.
		But I haven't heard of that, to set up an illegal alien defense fund.
		I mean, we have to deal with immigration in an honest way, and this is something that basically everyone has failed at.
		We, all of us, if you didn't come, if you are not a Native American, or you didn't come here as the descendants of slaves who were brought here unwillingly, the rest of us are immigrants to this country, right?
		I think I'm a fourth-generation immigrant.
		My great-grandparents on both sides came here.
		Came here with nothing.
		Absolutely nothing.
		My grandparents then were very poor.
		My dad tells me a story about my grandfather, you know, grew up in a room in like a tenement house, basically no heat, and, you know, basically right after the Depression, And then my parent, then he worked really hard.
		He worked at a printing press.
		And then my dad became middle class, then afforded me to live a good life and go to college and all those things.
		That's what the American dream's all about.
		So all of us, the immigration story is the most American thing there is.
		So we should always, I think, err on the side of immigrants generally.
		And we are an incredible melting pot.
		You know, I've said this before, but my two best friends growing up, my buddy John was Italian, My buddy Ari was Greek, I was Jewish, and they would come to my house to celebrate Hanukkah.
		We'd go to Ari's house to celebrate Greek Christmas, which is a little bit after traditional Christmas.
		We'd go to John's to celebrate Christmas.
		All the holidays we'd roast lamb with Ari and his Greek family.
		They'd come to my house and have potato pancakes for Hanukkah.
		We'd go to John's and have lasagna.
		We all brought, our families all, and we lived in the same community within two, three blocks of each other.
		And we all, it was all mixed.
		That's what America is, a melting pot.
		You bring your traditions, your beliefs, and then you melt into this beautiful thing that America is supposed to be about tolerance and freedom and liberty and all of those things.
		That still exists.
		The evil people on both sides, and they basically are evil at this point.
		Just look at what happened this week with people trying to rip us apart with fake stories of bigotry and racism.
		They're trying to destroy the social fabric of this country.
		But most of us are good.
		Most of us are good.
		Most of us are not walking around the streets looking at people in every turn of which, oh my god, they look a little different than me, or it's just that's simply not how it's gone down.
		And we have to get back to understanding why having a melting pot in this country is a beautiful thing.
		Because it's incredibly important and it's incredibly special.
		It's why this country is so great that all of us, you know, whether you came here, look at All of us come from a different story, and we add something to this.
		And that's an amazing thing.
		And most countries don't have that.
	And that's why I actually do believe in American exceptionalism.
	Because America is not based on an ethnic identity.
	It's based on an idea of liberty.
	It's a beautiful thing.
	Look at me, getting all sentimental for you guys.
	If we have a couple more shoutouts, let me know.
	What is one thing that you agree with progressives on economically?
	At this point, there's probably not much.
	Again, I don't want to besmirch all of them in that I think their intentions often are good.
	I think their methods and their logic and their reasoning is whacked, but I think the intentions are good.
	You know, I do think there should be some social safety net.
	So that is a, that's thought of as a progressive value.
	But I don't agree with them on much.
	They believe in collectivism.
	And that's very different than if you believe in true human liberty and individualism.
	I don't wanna tell you what to do with your life and I hope you don't wanna tell me what to do with mine.
	We need a couple laws in place that are based on secular liberal values
	so that we can all do with what are, do the things that the constitution guarantees us to do,
	a life of liberty and happiness.
	Pursue happiness.
	You know who's the only one that can pursue happiness for you?
	It's you!
	So it's not that you should be judged by a group of people.
	If you want to pursue happiness, guess what?
	You got three white people in a room?
	Three white people may want a very different definition of happiness, as with three black people or Asian people.
	The fact that we even have to talk about people in these stupid terms at this point, 2016, it's actually ridiculous.
	A couple more shoutouts.
	Andrew on Patreon, Igor on Patreon, and another Joshua on Patreon, which we're setting some sort of record.
	We've gotta have... Joshua has definitely taken the lead.
	That's five?
	No, that's gotta be six or seven at least.
	Dave, sorry if you commented on this, but what do you think about Obama signing the Religious Freedom Law to protect non-believers?
	You know, I actually don't know, I don't know about this.
	Did this just happen in the last couple days?
	It's been kind of crazy around here, so I missed it.
	You guys know my feeling, I think, probably at this point on belief, which is that I would treat the biggest questions of the universe, of like, why are we here, and does God exist, and the rest of that stuff, I would treat it like anything else, which is if there was some evidence for it, I would believe it.
	But until then, no.
	But I don't mind that people believe in things, and there are probably people that believe in things that are very good.
	Not probably, they're without question.
	People that believe in things they can't prove that are very good people that do a lot of good on this earth and maybe are happier than me or more productive than I am or anything like that.
	So I don't begrudge anyone that, which is the true liberal way to believe in it, actually, because you can do with your life as you so choose.
	So I don't know about this specifically, but I think protecting, well I would need to, I would really need to understand it because unless, I don't know that non-believers were being attacked in any way, so I wouldn't be for generally just laws being made that don't have any, they sound good, but then they just create some other control, I don't know.
	Glenn on PayPal, Who just gave $200.
	Thank you, Glenn.
	Appreciate that.
	You guys are hooking us up and helping us build this thing.
	It's a beautiful thing.
	I was not doing this as a fundraiser.
	This was really me just shutting it down.
	I'm going to send a couple tweets out probably later tonight.
	That'll just be my recap of the year of a couple of things.
	I want to give a few people that have been instrumental in this year.
	I just want to give them a shout out.
	And then I'm going to disappear.
	And if the world ends while I'm on my break, what a shame that would be.
	Because I've always thought I would really live tweet the end of the world well.
	I really would.
	So I hope it doesn't end.
	I hope we make it to 2017.
	We've got so much good stuff coming down the pike.
	It would be a shame if it ended right now.
	Do you think we need another world war to snap these regressives and millennials out of their PC feel-good vanity?
	Might boost the economy, too.
	I hope it doesn't come down to a world war.
	I'm pretty sure the next world war is going to be when the robots take over, which will probably be in about 10 years.
	I, for one, will welcome our robot overlords.
	No, I don't think we need a war.
	I think we need a culture war, which we can start winning.
	I know it feels like this regressive nonsense, the social justice stuff.
	Tim Ferriss, who is on my show, he doesn't say social justice words, he says bigoteers, which I love that phrase.
	We are winning.
	I don't know that we're winning, but we're starting to gain traction, and that's what they fear the most.
	And there are a lot of cool people in this space, even if you look at just the online people.
	Forget the people on the right at the moment.
	Forget the Crowders and the Milos.
	And the Ben Shapiros and those guys that I think are doing good stuff all at different levels.
	Take some of the people that I've already mentioned here, like ThatGuyT and Blair White and Phil DeFranco, who's one of the first YouTube guys.
	There are these people from all different walks of life that are waking up to this nonsense.
	Chris Ragan, a whole bunch of other interesting people.
	That is so cool.
	That is so cool.
	And people are responding to it.
	And we just have to keep the pressure on.
	Keep pushing our good ideas.
	I don't want it to come to a war.
	I don't even know what war that would be.
	That would be a civil war, I guess, basically, where you're saying that you'd have the SJWs versus the Trump people, I think, is what that would end up being.
	That's not what we need.
	What we need is that for those of us that care about this stuff,
	we gotta start winning the culture war, which I think we're winning now,
	because I think that part we are winning, 'cause people are sick of this bullshit.
	People are sick of it.
	Yes, it sounds good to young people, so a certain amount of young people
	are always gonna get in it.
	We can get into the real world and start understanding the way the real world works,
	and it fades away pretty quickly, so you can win.
	You can win, I can win, we can win.
	We just gotta keep fighting.
	I wanna thank Jeffrey on PayPal who gave $6.66, obviously related to the devil.
	There's some humor in that, I appreciate it.
	Did I see that A&E is gonna do a documentary series about the KKK?
	Yeah, I don't know.
	I didn't read anything about it, but I did see it.
	You know, it's like, this is what I said before, it's like, everyone wants clicks and everyone wants views and looks, so they don't care what's good for society or whatever.
	They're all entitled to do whatever they want.
	A&E is a business, they want to make money, so if they think there's enough views in that and advertiser-friendly, whatever, then go ahead and do that.
	That's fine.
	I would say the bigger issue is that a certain amount of people are always going to hate people.
	There's going to be a certain amount of neo-Nazis out there.
	There's going to be a certain amount of people that don't like gay people.
	There's a certain amount of people that don't like Muslims and don't like Jews and all that stuff.
	And some of those people are going to hate Jews and Muslims and those are the same people.
	And some people hate Christians, by the way, too.
	There's going to be a certain amount of that.
	But you are allowed to hate people.
	You're allowed to be a bigot.
	As long as you don't legislate it, as long as you don't harm anyone, as long as you don't infringe on anyone else's rights, a certain amount of people are just going to do it.
	So I think the risk is that the more that we show that these people are out there, the more we somehow make it visible, we increase their visibility, and then we increase their numbers.
	So I'm not for somehow not doing it, because what's the argument?
	I mean, the argument would be, well, then who's going to stop them?
	The government would have to stop A&E from putting a show on television that it wants to put on.
	Would I be for that?
	Obviously not.
	So therein lies the rub, and that's where humanity has to try to do the right thing.
	So if you don't like the KKK show, I know this is gonna sound crazy, you know what I'm gonna say?
unidentified		Don't watch.
unidentified		And if you do like the KKK, then watch the KKK show and buy the KKK products.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		But if you don't, then don't.
		And if somebody's advertising on there, and you're like, wait a minute, why are you advertising on the KKK show?
		Well then don't buy their products.
		That's how the free market will dictate what's right.
		And then you don't need the government to come in and pretend it's your dad and fix everything.
		So there you go.
		Somebody has my thoughts on the UFC any favorite fighters You know
		I've watched little bits of UFC usually when I'm at the gym and I'll be flicking around and I hear Rogan on because he
		does Commentary on it and I love listening to him, but I don't
		know enough about it But I when I watch it, I totally dig it. Maybe that's one
		of maybe over the next week Is there anything like a big fight coming up this week?
		Because I should I totally do dig it Let's see
		What are your thoughts on new political movements like Flux in Australia and Brazil or the Pirate Party in Iceland which are pushing for digital direct democracy?
		I think this stuff is really, really interesting and I need to do more of it on the show for sure.
		I mean, again, this goes to the Black Mirror conversation that we were just having.
		This is how things will change.
		I don't even have my phone on me, but that little black mirror that we all got is changing everything.
		And how we will respond and how Can we get information fast and be able to process it and do the right things with it?
		So instead of just being outraged all the time, you wake up and holy shit, somebody I never heard of said something.
		I can't believe it.
		Somebody I never heard of said something that I don't like.
		I am now going to spend all day trying to destroy that person who I did not know existed before.
		There's been value in that, but maybe it's time we mature past that now.
		So, you know, what's cool about the internet is that it goes sort of in these waves where I think a lot of us that are doing this kind of thing.
		We're seeing something on the very early side.
		You know, a lot of the stuff that led to Trump, all the social justice nonsense and the PC stuff and the free speech stuff, this is the stuff that a lot of us were talking about for these last two years that the mainstream media totally wasn't talking about.
		So then the mainstream media, finally, then they see what happens.
		Trump wins, and then what do they start doing?
		Well, they tell you it's fake news, but they also start telling you, there are a couple stories on, well, you know, maybe we shouldn't call everybody bigots.
		All right, you guys relate to the party, but this is what we've been saying for a long time.
		So the Internet's very cool, and if you're aware of what's happening out there, you can really see trends before they happen, which is why I wasn't surprised by Trump at all.
		Dave, you say you play basketball every Sunday, any NBA team?
		So I haven't been playing basically in the last year.
		I've mangled up my knee.
		About a year ago, and I haven't been playing much, but it's pretty much better now, and I just need to get in the game.
		I just moved, so there's a new park here that I need to check out, and hopefully I can get into a game again, because I do love playing basketball, probably as much as I love anything else on this mortal coil.
		My favorite NBA team.
		So this is interesting.
		So I grew up in Long Island, so technically, as a New Yorker, I should be a Knicks fan, but I got Sports Channel.
		We didn't get MSG.
		MSG was the premium channel that you'd get the Knicks on.
		Well, we didn't get that, but we did get Sports Channel, which had the Nets, the New Jersey Nets.
		Now, when I was growing up, the Nets sucked all of those years, but I became a Nets fan, and they'd win 12, 13 games a year, and they just sucked, and everybody sucked, and it was embarrassing and awful.
		But my favorite basketball player from the 80s, who is right here, Is Clyde the Glide Drexler, who was a great player for the Portland Trail Blazers in the 80s and 90s, and then later on the Houston Rockets, won a championship with the Rockets in 95.
		So I was really a Blazers fan and a Rockets fan for most of my life.
		Now I just, I don't really have a favorite team anymore.
		I just love watching good basketball.
		So of course I love watching the Warriors.
		I love watching Oklahoma City because Westbrook is a freak.
		And I just love watching good basketball, interesting players.
		But I don't really have a favorite team anymore.
		But, you know, I'm here in LA, so I've been to a couple... I've actually been to a few Clippers games, and I've never been to a Lakers game.
		But I saw Kobe play a couple times live over the years.
		I saw LeBron play live once.
		I never saw Jordan play live, which sucks.
		My dad actually got tickets to the game that Jordan came back, the comeback game in Madison Square Garden.
		We're working on it.
		I think that's going to happen through our partnership with Learn Liberty.
		for the dunk for the win.
		My dad had, it was my dad and he had to pick me or my brother.
		He told my brother 'cause my brother's favorite player was Scottie Pippen on the Bulls.
		So I never saw Jordan play, unfortunately.
		All good.
		Get Penn Jillette on the show.
	Yes, we're working on it.
	I think that's gonna happen through our partnership with Learn Liberty.
	I did the Reason Rally with him and unfortunately we never had a moment to actually chat.
	But I love Penn.
	I think he's really doing good stuff.
	Big libertarian.
	Good guy.
	And a funny guy.
	Am I an introvert or an extrovert?
	Um, you know, it's funny.
	I mean, look, I'm a guy who talks for a living.
	And, you know, I did stand up for many years.
	And I like being around people.
	And I like talking to people.
	But I think in generally in bigger social situations, I'm probably a little more of an introvert.
	I like sort of more intimate conversations than I do like the big thing.
	But I also like performing too.
	So if I was doing stand up in front of 1000 people, if I'm doing stand up in front of 20 people or 1000 people, it's the same difference to me.
	But I think ultimately, maybe a little more I'm an introvert.
	Shout out to Jonathan on PayPal.
	Thank you, Jonathan.
	And I think I, oh no, I did mention Jeffrey over there as well.
unidentified		All right, here's what we're gonna do.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		We've been going for, we've been going for quite some time now.
		We've been going for like two hours or so?
		We've been going for over two hours.
		So, you know, we'll go to, it's 827 here in Los Angeles.
		We will go till, I'm gonna go till 845.
		So we're gonna go for another 18 minutes and then I'm shutting it down for the year.
		So I hope that this year that I provided you guys with a little entertainment.
		I hope I provided you guys with a little sanity.
		Through the noise, you know, it's a lot of noise.
		I hope that when you clicked my videos, you were like, oh, that wasn't painful, you know, because there's so much of it.
		It's just painful.
		And that's not what I'm trying to put out there in the universe.
		So I hope that that's been a nice piece of what you guys are doing, of what we're doing here.
		You know, I hope it's something that you appreciate.
		And I think it is.
		I think that's why this whole thing is working.
		So yeah, I would go for five more hours tonight, but I do have to eat and then I want to You know, wrap up on Twitter with just the last couple thoughts of the year and then, you know, wish everybody a Merry Christmas and a Happy Festivus and Hanukkah and Kwanzaa-ka and all that good stuff and a Happy New Year.
		I don't even know what I'm doing over the next week.
		I guess maybe I'll, like I said before, I'll try to hit the gym a little bit because I haven't been in a while.
		I don't know, just, you know, eat some good food.
		And I do love this time of year because, you know, especially in L.A., this town really does shut down.
		People really do stop working.
		So it's just time to be pleasant.
		I thought maybe I'd go to Santa Barbara for a night or something.
		I don't know, see a little something.
		I think my buddy Michael Shermer moved over there, so maybe I'll go over there.
		Shout out to Michael on PayPal.
		All right, so let's finish up with some good questions.
		If you've been holding the good ones, people, Make it good, this is your chance.
		My New Year's Resolution.
unidentified		Am I allowed to say what my New Year's Resolution is?
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		Do you jinx it if you say it?
		Or I guess you have to say it.
		It's not a wish.
		Oh, it's not a wish, because then you're held to it.
		My New Year's Resolution.
		My New Year's resolution will be, I haven't really thought about this till just a second,
		but my New Year's resolution will be to continually challenge myself to have the battle of ideas
		with people that I don't want to have it with.
		So I think I do a pretty good job of that.
		I really do.
		I mean, even just last week, as I mentioned earlier, someone, this guy, this Huffington
		Post guy wrote a thing about how he can't be friends with, he doesn't want to be friends
		with somebody that didn't, somebody that was a Trump supporter and I invited him on the
		show, and then we got into a Twitter fight over me inviting him on the show.
		So I think I'm pretty decent at this, right?
		Trying to bring on people and talk to people that I disagree with.
		But I really will double down on that.
		And maybe there's a way that some of the people that I've had some public tips with, tips with, things like that, maybe there's a way that we can build some bridges in some different ways.
		You know, that's also the challenge.
		For those of us that are sort of in the center, if you consider yourself a liberal or a disaffected conservative or whatever it is, If that's what you are, the challenge is, all right.
		If our stuff's starting to work right now, people are starting to get it right now, right?
		It's going to be cool soon, too, right?
		It's not cool yet.
		The SJW nonsense is still cool in certain circles, but I think our thing is getting cool.
		The challenge will be, can we still rise above, can we still be the best of ourselves?
		So where the progressives went wrong, which is their idea, the idea of treating everyone nicely and all that stuff and not, you know, okay, all good, but then they got eaten by their own demons.
		The left, it's a movement that will ultimately eat itself.
		and you're seeing that now.
		The challenge for us will be, and look, we'll see what happens with the Trump people.
		So the Trump people that are all about free speech and being unpolitically correct and all that stuff.
		Well, once Trump's in power on January 20th, are you still gonna be for people being
		politically incorrect if they're attacking the power?
		I suspect that most of you won't be, but I hope I'm pleasantly surprised.
		And actually, I was just in the Donald Reddit.
		I did an AMA over there two days ago, and they were incredibly nice.
		And everybody was actually very cool.
		And there were a couple of trolls, but it was totally fun and cool.
		So I think the challenge for us will be can we, as whatever it is that's happening here, as it gets bigger, can we stay true to ourselves?
		That's the ultimate challenge in any movement.
		And we'll see what happens.
		Let's see.
		Any regressives who you feel are close to coming on the show?
		You said you reached out to Lori Penny.
		We did reach out to her once.
		I'm happy to do it again, David.
		We'll add it on the list, Lori Penny, to reach out again.
		I've put feelers out there to the big ones.
		I assure you that I have, and mostly have been ignored or declined.
		I've had a few people on the show that have definitely regressive views.
		I don't need to call them out because some of them actually are my friends.
		And again, I treated them with the exact same respect that I treated people that I agree
		with, someone like Sam, and people that I didn't agree with on some stuff, someone maybe
		like Dinesh D'Souza, who I also treated respectfully and who opened my eyes to certain things as
		well.
		So yes, I will continue to try to do that.
		Because it just is what it is.
		But hopefully, you know, a lot of the problem is that when you pin yourself into the corner
		where everyone who disagrees with you is a racist, why would you ever talk to a racist?
		If anyone disagrees, it's such a fake moral position.
		That's a, you know, that's the important thing that people need to understand.
		It's so, it works at so many levels because if everyone, if you pick an ideology, and it's not based on fact, but it's based on feeling, and then everyone that you feel that disagrees with you is a racist, why would you ever get down to their level?
		It's not even, you wouldn't even want to talk to them.
		You know what I mean?
		And that's why all these people, it's like, they take fake moral positions.
	All of these Hollywood people.
	Lena Dunham.
	If Trump becomes president, I'm moving to Canada.
	Naturally I'm going to move to Canada.
	No.
	Because you're all fake.
	You're all bullshit artists.
	What do I think of CalExit?
	So this is the idea that California could pull a Brexit type situation?
	Probably not a good idea.
	I mean, just knowing enough about Americans, we'd end up in perpetual war.
	I live in California.
	Most of my family lives in New York and New Jersey.
	I think we should be living in the same country.
	You know, my feelings about Brexit, and I've had a few people on the show to discuss it, I kept saying, Look, I don't live there, so I'm not an expert on this, but that I would not want bureaucrats in Brussels making all my decisions if I lived in London or in the suburbs, you know, in Britain.
	Now, you could make that same argument, I suppose, if you live in California.
	Why would you want California, which is a huge, huge state, which, by the way, I think I saw the other day that if they took away the votes of California, that Trump won popular vote by like a million and a half or something.
	So California is hugely blue.
	It's a huge state.
	It is, I think, the 10th largest economy in the world or something like that.
	So could it be a country in and of itself?
	Yes, but then it means it has to have an army.
	And guess what?
	If it has an army, who's the army that it's going to fight?
	Most likely it's the guys on the border.
	So, you know, goodbye Nevada or Oregon or whatever.
	I think a lot of bad could come of it.
	I think it's important, you know, who do most people think our best president was?
	Abraham Lincoln.
	What did he do?
	He kept the Union together.
	He didn't let the South secede.
	So I would say that that would probably be the best thing.
unidentified		All right, we got 11 minutes left.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		So yeah, we can do more politics or whatever else.
		And again, I thank all you guys who have, not only who jumped in today, but all of you that have hooked us up on Patreon and PayPal.
		And all that stuff, it's very cool.
		And I appreciate it.
		A shout out to Manvin on PayPal, thank you.
		Any predictions on the upcoming elections in Europe?
		There's a couple things happening in Europe right now that are sort of interesting.
		If you just look at the trends, I mean, the trends would lead you to believe that this is going to be good for the populists and the nationalists.
		If you look at Brexit, and then you look at what happened here, It seems like the right is getting stronger.
		I mean, look, this is just... I don't want to say that's the right specifically.
		Populism and nationalism are getting stronger.
		If you go back and watch my interviews from a year ago, almost a year and a half ago, watch what we were talking about with Douglas Murray and Majid and Ayaan.
		And this is exactly what everybody was predicting.
		I mean, Douglas, I think, predicted it more than anybody else.
		If the left won't deal with Islamism and immigration and these things, honestly, not to blanket
		call everybody, not to blanket say all Muslims are terrorists, of course they are not.
		And the vast majority want the same things that the vast majority of everyone else wants.
		But if the left, every time a reformer comes around or an ex-Muslim comes around or someone,
		forgetting not even that's Muslim, if someone else comes around and just wants to talk about
		equality for everybody, treat everybody equally, treat them on their ideals, treat them on
		their ideas, if every time someone does that, you call them a racist, you slowly will silence
		everyone on the left, which has happened, which is why I get so many emails from people
		that are afraid to speak up and all the people that...
		That's why I got involved in this thing.
		I saw what was happening to Sam, and I thought, here's this guy who's just trying to be honest and tell the truth about some hard stuff, and he's being just attacked by these awful people.
		Well, I thought I got to put some skin in the game, and a bunch of you have done that since, and that's a great thing.
		So if the left won't deal with these issues honestly, then the right will come in with easier answers.
		Now I think ultimately the best answer to all of that is a true liberal society that's based on logic and reason
		that can have these discussions, you know, and not be based in bigotry.
		And at the same time, not be based in bigotry, but then not also judge everyone
		by their color and their religion.
		And then say, "Oh, you're this color, "but then you're this much oppressed,
		"and then you should be treated this way, "and you should be treated this way."
		And white straight men, especially cis-gendered ones are the worst.
		It's all bullshit, it's all imaginary nonsense, and it's not the way anyone would wanna live.
		So I think we can get past that stuff, but it's gonna take some time.
		Um Would you have an L.A.
		cop on, even and honestly, to discuss Black Lives Matter, etc.?
		Absolutely, I would.
		You know, I've been in touch with a cop, an L.A.
		officer, that I met recently at an event, and I asked him to come on the show.
		I don't know where we left off on that, if there's been any follow-up since, but we will, 100%, I'm down to do that.
		I would also be trying to get Sheriff David Clark on.
		You know, who's the Milwaukee, he's the sheriff in Milwaukee,
		that was a big Trump supporter, he's black, but it's really against Black Lives Matter
		and against that entity politics.
		I think he's a really, really interesting guy.
		Thoughts on money in politics.
		Look, it's ruining everything, right?
		But the strange thing is that the person who had the most money this time, Hillary, and the most established money, and media money, and all that stuff, and elite money, she lost.
		So that, in a weird way, is a somewhat inspiring thing, I suppose.
		But we need, look, we shouldn't have year-long elections like we had.
		We need to have elections that run for maybe two, three months, or let the primaries be for two months and then the general election be for two months.
		But again, caring about government this much is not healthy.
		Care about what you do in your life and the decisions you make in your community and all of those things and in your local community.
		That's what matters.
		That's where the decisions should be made.
		So we have to get money out of politics.
		We can't get it fully out, and I don't think there's any, you know, look, you can have public funding of elections.
		Are there people gonna figure out a way to get around it?
		Of course.
		And, you know, let's say you had public funding of elections.
		This is why more laws very rarely work.
		So okay, so let's say you have public funding of elections, and let's say the Democrats put up the most honest, decent, liberal, good, hardworking, pleasant human being in the history of forever.
	Right?
	And then he's being publicly funded.
	And the Republicans find a celebrity.
	We know this just happened with Trump.
	I mean, they find somebody.
	They go, all right, Ben Affleck.
	I'm just, all right, Ben Affleck.
	I meant to say Matt Damon, but Ben Affleck.
	I know, forgetting his politics for a second.
	We're going to run as Republicans.
	Well, now, if you have public funding and you're both equal in public funding, Affleck's name already is worth a gajillion times more.
	And so it's obvious that we're heading in that direction of where your social value It will have more to matter.
	It will be more important than your political stuff.
	Just saying, okay, we're going to have equal funding, it just doesn't mean anything.
	So we have to figure out smarter ways to deal with some of this stuff.
	Not just ways that make us all feel like, oh, that does feel fair.
	Well, okay.
	Shout out to Dimitri on Patreon.
	What's your grudge against fantasy books, movies, and TV shows?
	My grudge against them?
	Never Ending Story is one of the greatest movies of all time.
	I bought it on iTunes a couple weeks ago.
	Do I have a grudge against fantasy movies, books, and TV shows?
	I'm not sure what you're talking about, but I need a follow-up on this question because I don't know what that's about.
	I do like, in general, I like sci-fi more than fantasy.
	I like robots.
	I like space.
	I like the future.
	But I have no problem with that.
	Oh, I think maybe you're saying, because I like Star Wars more than Lord of the Rings.
	I really wasn't into Harry Potter.
	Harry Potter and the Pottery Barn.
	Like, all right, whatever, Harry.
	And Lord of the Rings was kind of preachy.
	But in general, fantasy, I like fantasy.
	But yeah, I'm aware of a sci-fi guy.
	I mean, I loved Total Recall, Scanner Darkly, 2001.
	2010, I thought was a great movie.
	Could you have someone on to discuss Putin in the context of Republican apologetics for him?
	So that's a great question and I absolutely will if you have somebody specifically.
	I think that would be a good one to do because it does seem interesting.
	It's like, as I said before, it's like the Democrats are suddenly the hawks on Putin and now the Republicans seem to be the apologists on Putin.
	So everything is upside down, and this is why you have to have, and Ben, I think, made a great point on the show last week, Ben Shapiro, he said you always have to put the shoe on the other foot.
	You can't just flip your principles every time something's not good for you, and that's what we're watching happen right now.
	Everyone's just being reversed.
	So you can't say I'm a Democrat or I'm a Republican anymore.
	It doesn't even make any sense.
	You have to have a certain set of principles, and that's what I'm gonna have.
	So yes, I absolutely will do that.
	Would you be opposed to having teenagers on the show?
	Well, you know, we had Amos Yee on from Singapore, who was in a big free speech battle.
	He was 17.
	He had to sign a different release.
	We were on it with Aura at the time.
	I think there would be probably legal reasons that it may be too much of a headache at the moment.
	But when we do the next Fan Show, I'd say anyone over 18, I would go 18 to 100.
	I hope we can find someone that's... I would love to find a hundred-year-old.
	How cool would that be?
	Would I consider running for office even if it's just local?
	I don't know.
	A lot of people ask me now.
	I think that my voice or whatever it is that I'm doing on this earth is better suited here.
	I wouldn't rule anything out, I guess.
	The system is so screwy and it needs to be dealt with on many fronts.
	And maybe my position, for whatever I'm doing here, is the position that I'm supposed to be in, and there'll be some other people that'll carry the political side of this.
	And I think there will be.
	I think there's some interesting things.
	I don't know if you guys saw, I'm trying to get John Huntsman, who's the former governor of Utah, he does this no labels thing with Joe Lieberman.
	who of course was former VP candidate with Gorin, a senator from Connecticut.
	They're doing this no labels thing where they're trying to build this new center thing
	and they wrote an interesting article this week on it or an op-ed on what they're trying to do.
	And I think there is something brewing here.
	So I wouldn't rule anything out, but we'll see.
	I don't know, the scandals would just be endless.
	It would just be endless.
	All right, we've got two minutes left, and then I am shutting it down for the year.
	Thank you to all of you guys who have supported me all year and before all this.
	This was the year that everything came together, basically.
	I am doing this from my home studio.
	When I shut this down, in one minute now, I'm gonna go have dinner 15 feet away.
	You guys helped us build this thing.
	I hope you're proud of what we've done here.
	I'm incredibly proud of what we've done, What will continue to do and and we truly did this together and it's very cool and and I lips are a little red from the wine.
	But it's been a really good year.
	I'm going to share a couple last thoughts on Twitter tonight.
	And this is just the beginning, really.
	I really do believe that.
	That, you know, the things that we're talking about here are so important.
	And that I'll continue to do them, I'll continue to mix it up, and hopefully we'll get some funny stuff and silly stuff in too, because everyone needs that balance.
	But more than anything else, I just want to wish you guys a Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Kwanzaa, Happy Festivus.
	Enjoy the rest of the year.
	Take a little break if you need it to.
	It's been a crazy one.
	And then we reset and we do it all again in 2017 and we'll see what happens.
	But I thank you guys for being part of what I do here.
	And have a good night and a good rest of the year.
	And it is 845, so that's all for me.
	And I just hope the world doesn't end when I'm gone, because what a shame would that be?
	That would really be such a shame.
	And on final note, Emma is saying goodbye.
	That was it.
	She's going to bed in the studio with Yoda.
	Alright guys, that's it.

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