Dave Rubin critiques the anticlimactic third presidential debate, arguing Donald Trump failed to expose Hillary Clinton's $25 million Saudi ties while the media fixated on scandals over policy. He defends free speech against social backlash, supports tax cuts to curb national debt, and laments Gary Johnson's inability to champion libertarian principles. Promoting his new studio via a signed mug auction, Rubin concludes that honest discourse requires dismantling safe spaces and addressing corruption without demonizing opponents. [Automatically generated summary]
It seems to me that that should have been the second-to-last one.
Like, we need another debate after that.
Alright, so we're gonna do an Ask Me Anything.
Of course, I'm gonna share my thoughts on this.
I'm happy to answer any questions that you guys have about the debate, about politics in general, about what's going on here.
Hopefully, you guys were following along on Twitter.
I think my My feelings on all this are pretty clear.
As you guys know, I'm not a fan of either one of these two for completely different reasons.
But I would say, before we start, my general feeling about what just happened here was, if we're to believe the polls, right, and Trump is losing, then he didn't really do anything that would have saved him there.
There were a couple moments where he could have scored some serious points on WikiLeaks, And on that Hillary has created some of the wars that she's now claiming she can fix and things like that, that he really dropped the ball.
I think the moment that the number one moment that he's going to regret that his people are going to be talking about is that when he said that thing to her about, you know, why don't you right now say you'll give Saudi Arabia back the 25 million from the foundation.
Now, I understand that.
The Clinton Foundation itself, it's a little insider for a lot of people to understand it, but it would have been a real moment to put her on on the spot.
So he said, why don't you right now say that you're going to give back the 25 million from Saudi Arabia?
And then before she even had a chance to respond, he kept talking.
And then by the time he was done, she had already evaded the question.
That would have been a good moment to get her.
That said, you know, you get, you know what you get with Hillary.
So she gave us exactly what you know you're going to get.
And if you like that, then it works.
She knows policy inside and out.
She was looking down a lot.
So somebody, I did tweet, are they allowed to bring notes up there?
Apparently, according to the commission, they can't bring notes up there, but they can write while they're doing it.
So I don't know if she got up there and scribbled a lot of stuff down.
But, you know, look, she's obviously a polished politician.
She's what Washington has given us for a long time.
Again, for better or worse, right?
So, you know, she does everything in talking points.
Everything's pre-planned before she says it.
She smiles while Trump's telling her, you're the worst person on earth.
She smiles through it.
Trump, I think, just basically dropped the ball.
I think he appeared, for the most part, if people wanted him, if somebody was watching this and thought, I need Donald Trump to feel presidential, then this was his best shot at that, at just sort of calm, rational.
He didn't have too many outbursts.
He tried to hit her on appropriate things, but he needed It seems to me, although anything can happen in 20 days, you're gonna see, I guarantee you guys, mark my words right now, you're gonna see over the next two or three days all the articles saying this thing's over, Trump didn't do what he needed to do, blah blah blah.
Anything can happen in 20 days.
But I do want to address one thing real quick and then we'll take questions.
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So first I want to address one thing that a bunch of people were giving me shit on on Twitter.
I tweeted something, you know, Trump said the thing about he won't say that the election is legit until after the election.
Now I get it.
You guys can watch the video that I did yesterday about Project Veritas.
I've watched that stuff.
We know what Hillary did and the DNC did.
To derail Bernie.
So we know that the Democratic machine is pretty slimy.
We know that there are operatives out there intentionally starting fights.
I mean, that's what the video showed.
I don't think anyone's denying that.
The guy in the video, in the Project Veritas video, has stepped down.
So we know that the Democratic machine does slimy stuff.
The Republican machine maybe does, too, and we don't know about it yet.
But they do some pretty slimy stuff.
So my issue with that statement, though, it's pretty dangerous to imply Not that there are dirty games being played, but somehow that the election, that when people press the button, that those votes don't go through properly or something like that, that does seem dangerous to democracy for me.
That afterwards, you would set up a situation where people would be so aggrieved that no matter what happens, they're going to think it was rigged.
That does strike me as dangerous, but I may have been a little dismissive in the tweet.
140 characters, you can't always get everything across perfectly.
But I'd love to hear your thoughts on that.
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I promise you I'm going to give you more honest insight than anything on CNN.
CNN right now has David Axelrod, who's their senior political commentator, who used to be Barack Obama's campaign manager.
Who do you think he thinks won?
Uh, and we can flick on all the news channels and see who they have.
And guess what?
You know what they're... That's the part of the problem here.
That they're in it with these candidates.
That they've worked for everybody.
And you're never going to get honesty out of them.
I'm not paid by any of them.
Hence IKEA couch.
IKEA desk.
I keep mocking IKEA.
That's an IKEA chair too.
And this is an IKEA blanket.
Yeah, real IKEA problem.
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Yeah, I mean that's the number, that is the question that dominates everything else.
Has this been focused too much on scandals and not public policy?
Of course.
Of course.
If any of you out there, if you watch my show, you know what I care about.
The things that I care about related to free speech and clear thinking and really trying to find solutions to problems and not demonizing everybody and understanding that if you're a liberal you can have some things in common with a conservative and that, you know, that we have to, we're still all going to be Americans.
The day after this thing on November 9th, right?
We're all going to be Americans and we have to figure out ways to work together.
This whole thing has been scandalpalooza.
So as I've been saying lately, it's like, in a way, these two deserve each other.
Like these two, if Hillary's as corrupt as it seems she is, and if Trump has done some of the things they say he has done, which I don't know.
You know, but forgetting that, that he was a reality TV star, and it's like we got a reality TV star versus Hillary, in a way, is a reality TV star.
So this wasn't focused on issues.
There were moments in this debate, actually, where they did talk about taxes.
And Trump was saying basically lower taxes, and Hillary was saying, she was saying she won't raise them
for anyone making under 250.
I'm gonna guess that that won't be the case.
But there were a couple moments where actually they talked about taxes.
They had an interesting debate about abortion, which I think was, you lost a lot of nuance in that.
So, first off, it's an unwinning, no matter what, it's unclear to me what Trump really thinks about abortion.
Is he really against abortion?
This guy's a New Yorker, uh, you know, I suspect that in his heart of hearts, I think he used to be pro-choice.
Somebody can, you guys can let me know in the comments section.
But for the purposes of this, he's saying he's pro-life.
He's also saying, basically the question was, would you be for flipping Roe v. Wade?
He said, "I would nominate Supreme Court justices who would be against Roe v. Wade."
Now, Roe v. Wade makes abortion federally legal.
They say it's a right federally, meaning the entire country.
What his argument was is that if they flipped Roe v. Wade, it would go back to the states.
So it's a bit of a insider argument there, but you're not gonna win.
You know, a lot of women, it's unfortunate that these social issues are things that people have to vote on.
You know, women don't want to have abortions.
You know, I saw a lot of people tweeting, like implying that women are having them instead of contraception.
And, you know, yes, has that ever happened?
Yes.
But that's not, that's no, that's not, that's not what women want to do.
It's just not.
Um, but we have to have an honest discussion about abortion, which is, you know, Trump then was saying, well, they'll pull out, they'll abort, you know, a child, you know, three weeks before at nine months, you know, basically.
I don't know how often that kind of thing happens.
I do know that we have to have an honest discussion about it.
So I think you can be perfectly principled and be right to life, and I think you can be principled and be pro-choice.
The issue is that if you're going to say, okay, after three months, let's say, I now believe this is a viable life.
We're on the path to viability.
A real path.
We're not just talking about two weeks in where it's like, you know, the cosmic stew, for lack of a better term.
Well then if you're not going to allow for abortion and you're going to force a woman to go through with the pregnancy that she doesn't want, let's say she doesn't have money or she's not mentally stable or a series of other reasons, then is it the government's responsibility if you're not going to allow her to have an abortion to do anything?
That's an interesting discussion to have.
It's also an interesting discussion to have that if Roe v. Wade was flipped, and it went back to the states.
Would that ultimately be okay?
Because, you know, I had Randy Barnett on the show, who's a constitutional professor at Georgetown, and he talked about the foot vote, that one of the reasons that states' rights are so important is that if everything is controlled federally, you can't really choose what laws you want by where you live.
But if you give power back to the states, if you're for medical marijuana per se or something,
and your state isn't for it, well, you could choose to move elsewhere,
take your money out of the system in that state and move elsewhere.
That's an interesting little piece of all of this.
I don't think Roe v. Wade should be flipped.
I personally am pro-choice because I wouldn't wanna tell a woman what to do,
but I will not demonize people that are pro-life just because they think differently than me.
But I think we have to have an honest discussion about it.
But I thought that was actually, we actually had a discussion about abortion tonight
made some sense.
And we had some stuff on foreign policy and a few other things.
Alright, so I'm gonna do a couple, there's a lot of stuff rolling in on Patreon right now, so I'm gonna do a couple, can I do a couple quick shoutouts on that?
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unidentified
Yeah, Red from Patreon asks, out of all the people who ran in the primaries, who would you vote for?
Out of all the people who ran in the primaries, who would I vote for?
I think that, oh God, there's some sign.
What is that sign on CNN?
There was something about...
Alright, so, who would I vote for if I could go back to all the primaries?
So, real quick, you know, in case you forgot, or you've mentally blocked out some of these people, you know, basically the Democrats really had pretty much nobody.
They had Hillary, and they had Bernie, and they had Martin O'Malley, who was the former governor of Maryland, and they had Lincoln Chafee for comic relief for I think one or two debates.
The Republicans had a much wider field, 17 people, so there was Ben Carson, and Chris Christie, and Who else?
Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz and who else ran for the Republicans?
There were so many fucking people.
Rand Paul and what's her name from Hewlett-Packard?
Carly Fiorina and a bunch of others.
Okay.
It's a lot of information I've got to slam into this brain.
I think what I would have liked to have happened here is that we could have ended up, and I think this is why we need more parties, the two-party system has nothing to do with our government.
Our government and the Constitution, which we're governed by, never said you're only allowed to have two parties.
And right now the Trump party and the conservatives Are completely different things, right?
And the Democrat Party, the machine of the Democrats, which is the Hillary thing, is very different from the Bernie thing.
Bernie's going all in on it because he's hedging his bets, but I think he and his supporters are really going to regret it because I don't think she's going to do a lot of the things that she says she's going to do for Bernie and for Bernie's ideas.
What I would have liked to have seen, though, would have been what a real race would have been He's a couple more parties where Bernie would have stayed in longer, maybe run as the green guy.
And instead of Gary Johnson, who you guys know my feelings, I wanted him to get to 15%.
I've had him on the show.
I like him.
I think he's a decent human being.
He was a really bad libertarian for this cycle.
I think Rand Paul would have made the most sense running as a libertarian, but you know, he wants to keep his seat as a Republican in the Senate and keep his power there.
So he did what was best for his career instead of maybe what would have been best for the country.
But imagine if we had had four parties running, right?
right now, and Bernie and Hillary and Rand Paul and Trump, the conservatives, the old school conservatives
would have been the screwed group out of that 'cause the progressives would have somebody,
the Democrats would, the Trump people would, and the libertarians would.
Old school conservatives would have struggled, but I think we need more voices.
So, you know, the problem is also that after this election, why if you're a good thinking person,
why would you ever wanna become president?
Why would you want to go through this this slime factory?
And then when you take all of the young people that have grown up online, and you're going to have all your thoughts that you've emailed and the pictures that you've sent and everything.
Facebook post analyzed to the nth degree.
We're going to get this superstructure of people that will always own us, basically.
And I don't mean that in a conspiratorial way.
I mean that just in the fact of how it's going to work because, look, who are we getting right now?
We're getting most likely the president is going to be the former first lady.
Oh man, all right, so Joseph, Joseph won in the mug, he went up 50 at 150,
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And by the way, what you guys are doing on Patreon, basically, is you're giving us the budget,
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I'd like to do a little better.
But, like, we're building something really cool, and I have David and Amir, and we're working incredibly hard, and we're gonna hire, we hope to hire an editor, and maybe a graphics guy, and really expand on this thing, and do so much more, and maybe start a network.
I mean, there's a lot of stuff here.
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All right, what's next?
Let's talk politics.
unidentified
Do you think if Clinton wins, Republicans can unite to form a strong front to fight her policies, or will they remain
So the question basically was, if Hillary wins, can Republicans unite to fight her?
Look, if that's your hope as a Republican, it's going to be tough, right?
Because the Trump wing, and let's say the Paul Ryan wing, the more traditional conservatives, these are not groups that are connected in any way anyway.
You got the Trump people like Rudy Giuliani and Chris Christie and Ben Carson and Newt Gingrich, that's the Trump wing.
And then you have the traditional conservatives, Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney and that gang of people.
Now, you may not like, if you're on the left, right, you probably don't like any of these people, so you're thrilled about this.
But by the way, I've been saying this for months now.
This is about to happen to the Democrats, too.
So be careful what you're mocking on the other side, because it's coming to the Democrats, too.
And it should come to the Democrats, too, because the ideology between Bernie and Hillary is so different, and they're pretending they're on the same team, and they're just not.
That's regardless of whether you like Bernie or Hillary or hate both of them.
I would say that for the Republicans, you know, I watched Paul Ryan the other day.
By the way, Paul Ryan, someone tweeted me this morning, Paul Ryan was giving some speech somewhere and there's a video of him on C-SPAN saying he's a classical liberal.
And I was like, holy shit, that's nice to hear.
Now again, classical liberals are not that far from libertarians.
We're not as averse to some government safety nets and that kind of stuff.
Paul Ryan, I think, basically could be the future of the party if they want to go back to talking about the role of government and limited government and liberty and things like that.
I think that would be a nice place to start.
Maybe he missed his opportunity here, or maybe Trump would have just smashed right through him.
But I think the point is, there is a giant sign on CNN that says, Seek Jesus.
There's like five of them right behind these people, which is as insightful as anything you're going to get from these blathering morons.
Let's put on Fox and MSNBC just to see what else is going on.
All right, so I don't know what's going to happen.
I think there are massive, I don't think we realize how massive the changes are going to be going forward.
Change is good, but we have to remember that the basic tenets of what we have in America here are pretty good, and I would say if we can at least stay governed by the Constitution, more importantly than anything else, not keep, you know, people think we're voting for a king right now.
The president is just one-third of the government.
He doesn't write laws, he just signs them into office, although they like executive Joseph is back in the lead!
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Okay, Amira, what do you got?
Yeah, Dave from Patreon says, what do the Republicans have to do What do Republicans have to do to have a viable shot at 2020 and make sure that Trump was just a speed bump?
Look, it's hard to, first off, we simply don't know who's going to win right now.
So I get it that every, that the Democrats are gloating and Trump, I don't think Trump did whatever you think Trump needed to do tonight.
I think most, you know, I know we have a bunch of Trump supporters here, which is great.
Do you guys think, I'd be happy to answer some questions on this and I'd be happy to go back and forth, do you guys think that he did what he needed to do?
If the polls are basically right, did he make enough of an impact tonight?
And did he do enough damage to Hillary?
If she's leading, you're the one that has to damage her, she doesn't have to damage you.
She just has to stay ahead.
So did he do the job that he needed to do tonight?
I don't think so.
I think he had some moments where he could have, but I don't think he did.
And Hillary did basically enough of a long talking point and smiled through things to stay ahead.
Basically, I think.
So what do the Republicans have to do?
Either the Trump anti-establishment people have to really start spreading grassroots, or the old-school Republicans, the guys that I'm talking about, basically led by Paul Ryan, who I think is basically a pretty decent guy, they have to really find a way to be thought of as cool.
You know, I've had a little evolution on some of this in the last You know, probably a year and a half or so, where I have come to realize that actual individualism and liberty and fighting for your own personal happiness, which then will cause you to create happiness in your community, which then can expand and expand and expand, that it's about the individual.
That's something that Paul Ryan can really win on, but they have to make that cool again.
That's not thought of as—the collective is thought of as cool.
I don't care what color you are, what religion you are, what sex you are, what sexuality you are, or any of that stuff.
in our groups and that's why everyone on the left loves the oppression Olympics and all those things.
But individualism should be cool. I don't care what color you are, I'm talking to you right now
right in the camera, I don't care what color you are, what religion you are, what sex you are,
what sexuality you are, or any of that stuff. I would judge you as an individual as I hope you
would judge me. So as Ayn Rand said, although I credit it to Ayaan Hirsi Ali many times,
the ultimate individual, the ultimate minority is the individual.
And that's what we should care about.
So they got to make those ideas cool again, that the pursuit of happiness is your job.
It's not anyone's job to give you anything.
Now, that doesn't mean there should be no government or no role of government, but You gotta bust your ass to get shit, you know what I mean?
And then hopefully if you get shit, maybe you can help other people around you because also that might help you too.
I know that can sound kind of selfish, but I actually don't think it is.
But you know, I love having that discussion.
And if any of you guys think I'm wrong and that Trump didn't do what he needed to do tonight, I'd love to hear it.
Alright, so a whole bunch of things are happening here, so go do some shoutouts.
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I get it.
I get it.
You want to see me smoke the indica?
It's probably not going to happen tonight.
I have to stay on the ball here to know what I'm talking about.
Okay, cool.
What do we got?
unidentified
What about Hillary's comments regarding Russian hackers?
All right, the basics of that question were, Chris Wallace, what do I think?
I think there was a moment, there was a moment where he really, you know, we can't be afraid.
These are supposed to be debates.
Google the word debate right now.
A debate is supposed to be an exchange of ideas where you're really going back and forth and debating.
A debate isn't, I ask you a question, now you respond.
Don't look at that person.
Nobody in the audience can move or don't make a sound.
It's like, Why can't we show human emotion?
Why can't people there show human emotion?
I find that really irritating, actually.
Not that they should be able to endlessly drown out the candidates, but he's saying you can't cheer and you can't show emotion.
Like, is this 1984?
Maybe it is.
I think he basically did a good job.
It's a tough gig, and everyone's a critic, so it's a tough gig.
There was a moment where they were starting to go back and forth and he just wouldn't let them do it.
And I think that's a shame because I would like to see more of a back and forth.
You're only going to see where you're going to get the real truth is not by them giving their talking point.
You're going to see real truth when they can exchange ideas.
And unfortunately, we seem like we're afraid of that.
So it's like the same people who all the time say, I don't want my candidate to be a robot and I want them to speak freely.
Then they start speaking freely.
They start attacking each other.
And people get upset by that.
I would much rather see real raw emotion and a real battle of ideas than just the canned talking points.
Because by the way, one of the things that they do, I know I'm not enlightening any of you with this, but one of the things they do with the talking points is they ask a question and then they just talk long enough to just try to get this thing to the end, where they've just really said nothing.
So in a way, Hillary just had to run out the clock tonight because this is the last one.
So she just had to end this without anything horrific happening.
And I think to that end, she did accomplish that.
Alright, do a couple shoutouts.
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But the idea that Trump would restore press freedom or Trump would restore the media and free speech
is a little misguided because he also threatens reporters There's a chilling effect.
So even if a reporter said something that was totally dishonest, which you know I'm not for that, there's a chilling effect if reporters think they're going to be threatened and sued all the time.
So that can be a little, it's a slippery slope, I would say.
Now, look, he might break some of this regressive nonsense that we hear all the time.
And if you guys saw my first interview with Milo, at the end, he really lays out a reason why he thinks that if Trump became president, that all this safe space, trigger warning, free speech, political crisis, it's all at the height of its powers right now.
Trump presidency would destroy it.
I think there could be some legitimacy to that.
But I would also be afraid he obviously has an extreme authoritarian bent to him, and that's not good for freedom either.
So this is again where, you know, it would be nice if we knew that whoever we had really would be governed by the principles that we're supposed to be governed by in the Constitution.
But I think as a general rule, the media would hold Trump to account more than they would into account. Why wasn't climate change talked about? You
know they knocked out a lot of issues here right I mean doing abortion and taxes in Syria and
then you know they did some of the WikiLeaks stuff and whatever I think it just got glossed
over there wasn't much talk of climate change in these three debates I think in one and there was
the whole thing about Trump saying it's a hoax by the Chinese. Look I'm not a scientist.
If you want to hear what a scientist thinks, I would recommend the video that we put up this morning from Lawrence Krauss, who's a theoretical astrophysicist at Arizona State University, who's a pretty brilliant guy, and we did a whole segment on Trump and science.
So I'd welcome you to check that out and let me know your thoughts on that.
But if scientists tell me something repeatedly en masse, I gotta believe them.
You can't pick and choose when you believe in what scientists are telling you.
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Dennis from Patreon asks, if tech progress keeps advancing and renders most jobs obsolete, do you think something like a universal basic income is the way to go?
So the question basically is if tech and technology keep advancing and making our jobs obsolete, is a universal basic income workable or necessary?
I think I would love to get an economist in to talk about that a little bit more.
Universal basic income basically meaning that the government gives everyone a certain amount to survive And then, you know, you can work accordingly to make more.
I think we're very far from that idea.
I think it would be thought of as an extremely radical idea.
My guess is that Bernie probably would be eventually for something like that.
We do have real issues we have to discuss related to that.
And I've done, you know, I had Zoltan Islan on the show a couple weeks ago.
He's a transhumanist.
Who talks about technology and how it's going to change public policy, all the things that we're going to be able to do in AI and gene splicing and designer babies.
There's so many things coming down the pike that we're not even talking about, while instead we're talking about pussy and WikiLeaks.
And it's like, that's why I had Lawrence Krauss on today, talking about all this stuff that science is bringing us, and fast, you know, AI and All of these things that are going to change us, change our society, change the way we work, and in many ways make a lot of us obsolete.
Eventually, when they'll just be able to have a robot at McDonald's or an iPad that will replace all those workers, and then eventually the guys that are flipping the fries, they'll be replaced by robots too.
Minimum wage thing comes in and it's like if you force a company to have an artificially high minimum wage Yeah, that would be nice if those people were all making $15 But wouldn't then if you were a business person wouldn't you then say wait a minute wait a minute?
I can either have a robot that's a one-time cost plus a guy who comes in and oils it every now and again or I can hire all these people at $15 an hour and That's a business decision, you'd probably go the other way.
So that's why we really need to discuss this stuff now before it's just slamming us in the face.
And we have to decide, is government the best solution to this, or is the private market, or is it some combination thereof?
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Um, it was a throwaway comment at a sort of bad moment that I don't think it helps him basically.
If you want to nail her then you have to prosecute her the way that he kind of did in the second debate where you just go and go and go and go and you keep talking about this stuff.
The little snippy comments like is it like This is the thing with the debates, when they say who won this debate or who lost this debate, it only matters, it's not about who won and who you may feel a little better about, it only matters if they won or lost, is if voters actually changed their mind.
If people were on the fence and watched this and at the end said, all right, I'm going Hillary after that, or I'm going Trump.
That's the only win or loss.
It's not just you kind of like somebody better that it makes them the winner.
That's irrelevant.
That's just how you feel.
So that's why I said Hillary by default, I think here, won because I don't think Trump
did enough to convince enough people that the needle would move in terms of the polls.
So he has to strike the blow, not the other way around.
And she survived through this.
He never really had like a great run against her.
Now, I could be wrong.
Maybe there's people watching this that thought, you know, she really dropped the ball on a couple things.
But the question is, how many people actually changed their minds?
But as I said, when we started, you know, we're still about 20 days away.
It seems like everything moves so fast now in our cable news cycle and Twitter and all this stuff that I would love, I wish we had another debate maybe five days out.
Because anything can happen over the next 20 days.
You simply just have no idea.
And it seems kind of crazy that the last time that they're going to go face-to-face is 20 days out of the election.
So the question is, this is from Patreon, how can Milo be the savior of political correctness?
How can Trump be the savior of political correctness?
How can Milo call Trump the savior of political correctness when he's sued The Onion and Beaumar and things like that?
I mean, that's what I'm talking about.
That's what I'm saying.
I understand.
I'm pretty sure you guys know there may not be anyone in the public space that is more sensitive to the free speech stuff and this bullshit regressive stuff and all the safe spaces and all this nonsense.
This language controlling political correct garbage that is actually a cancer on society.
Pretty sure you guys know how I feel about that.
But the idea that Trump is going to be the one to save it when Bill Maher said something about him and he threatened to sue Bill Maher or the Onion, I wasn't even, I didn't even know about the Onion one.
The idea that he's going to be the, you know, the savior of that stuff, I think is a little short-sighted.
He might suddenly go against the speech that you don't like and he's going to be for your speech and I understand that need and that desire.
But I'm not sure that it's a long endgame situation.
Do I see the Supreme Court pushing their powers too far, like restricting the Second Amendment?
Under Clinton.
I'll do it for either one, right?
First off, it depends which one of them gets in and which one nominates people.
So for example, with the abortion thing, and then I'll get into the gun issue, which is what you're asking.
With the abortion thing, the whole idea is that Roe v. Wade made abortion federally legal.
What Trump was saying was that he didn't At least as I understood what he said here, he wasn't saying that he was going to make abortion legal, but that he would nominate judges who eventually would flip V. Wade, which wouldn't make abortion legal, but it wouldn't make it federally, meaning that the states would then decide.
Okay, so that's one.
You can say that that's bullshit and you're against it, whatever, but that was his argument.
So the question is, under Hillary, how would that affect the Second Amendment?
I do think that basically, I don't think she wants to get rid of all guns.
I think that's a nonsensical talking point that I don't think is actually true.
I think she may want some limits on guns and we can argue, and I'm happy to discuss whether we think that's good or bad or not, but as a general rule, and again I would recommend you guys watch my show with Randy Barnett, constitutional law professor at Georgetown University, because he lays out this stuff really well.
As of general rule, I've become much more interested in states' rights, local power.
I would rather have the local people that I vote for, my mayor, my governor, my town representative, things like that, have more control over my life than, you know, the two senators that you send all the way across the country to Washington to deal with lobbyists all day.
So I would be for any decisions via the Supreme Court as a general rule that give the power back to the states.
But I'm sure, and we could parse that with Roe v. Wade and all that, you know, there's probably exceptions to the rule.
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So the question basically is about Syria and Russia, and a lot of people are saying that, a lot of people, I'm getting this, think that World War III is on the horizon, or we're about to go to war with Russia, and he also asked did we talk about no-fly zones in Syria, and what all that could lead to.
So, look.
It's very obvious, just listen to them, don't listen to me, that the Democrats, if you listen to Tim Kaine at the VP debate, and if you listen to everything Hillary said, and you listen to the Democrats, all down-ticket, the Democrats are much more hawkish on Russia than the Republicans right now.
That's just how it is.
Now that partially is because if Russia is working with WikiLeaks somehow, they seem to have a lot of information on the Democrats.
That's why they seem to want to take down Hillary.
Now, it's bad if Russia is trying to influence our election.
It's also bad if Hillary and all these people had their stuff unsecured and allowed it to
happen.
So bad on all fronts.
As far as Syria and no-fly zones and things, look, it's extremely complex.
I think Trump, who doesn't have a great understanding of really what Mosul is or where Aleppo is
or any of that stuff.
You know, they had that idiotic quote where he said, I know more about ISIS than the generals.
Believe me.
Yeah.
Okay.
I think that it would be good if we could figure out how to have some humanitarian corridors where people could flee and then they could get relief from the Red Cross or from The United Nations or something like that.
That would also put a bit of a relief on all of the refugees that are flooding into Europe and that are being mixed with migrants and all sorts of other people that aren't being vetted properly and that's why there's so many problems with integration all across Europe right now and it's going to come to us too.
And I think Trump does have a bit of a winning argument there because I don't know that I trust our vetting process or how many people Hillary is going to let in.
I'm very for immigration as a general rule.
All of us that are here, unless we were, our ancestors were Native American or brought here as slaves, all of us are immigrants, are from immigrants.
So America is a nation of immigrants.
That's what makes us so strong.
We have everybody here.
or a melting pot where we bring in our own traditions and then become part of the American way of life.
It's actually a beautiful thing.
And it is why I think there is legitimacy to the idea of American exceptionalism at its best
because no country on earth is as diverse as us.
And that's actually the source of our strength.
That being said, there's something else happening right now with the immigration situation and migrants
and people trying to get in and terrorism and flooding borders that we know is happening in Europe.
That's just true.
That's not racist.
And we have to, so the question is, do you trust our vetting process?
I don't know.
There's this story today about how all these migrants are coming in and they're in their forties and fifties and somehow, according to the European authorities, they're children.
They're getting in as children.
So, um, So the question with Syria is, we have to figure out a way.
It's hard to know who's right.
Look, we're fighting Assad, who's killing a lot of people, but Assad's fighting ISIS.
We know ISIS isn't good.
We've got Russia backing Assad.
We've got Iran basically backing Assad.
It's just such a conflict, just a giant freaking mess, basically.
That would have been nice if one of them would have laid it out that simply.
It's a giant freaking mess.
So is there responsibility to do something to those, to help some of the citizens there fleeing?
Probably.
And what do we do is the question, but 400,000 some odd people have died.
And, you know, partly you can blame, you know, Obama laid down that red line.
If they used, if Assad used chemical weapons, he did.
We didn't do anything.
That causes the enemies to become more emboldened and it causes our allies to say, wait a minute, if the United States lays down a red line and doesn't do anything, can we trust them anymore?
So I was against, you can find old videos from me on TYT, I was against doing anything in Syria.
I wanted Turkey to do something and some of the Gulf states and Jordan and whatever to get in there and you guys do something in your own backyard because we're going to be blamed no matter what.
We're way past that point at this point.
So I don't know what to do.
I'm not going to sit here and pretend to know what to do.
It's a mess.
I don't know that either one of them won any points there because clearly Hillary had something to do with the mess that's been created there because we destabilized Iraq.
Trump, whether he says he was for it or not, it's irrelevant because he didn't vote on it but Hillary did.
Jill Stein, she's completely irrelevant right now.
I don't think she's going to get more than 1% of the vote.
I do think Gary Johnson could get a good 5% or something.
I think Bernie could have ran as a Green, and that would have been interesting.
At the end of the day, maybe that would have ensured a Trump presidency, and that's how they got him to shut up, because it would have split votes with Hillary.
But I don't think Jill's going to have any real effect on Hillary.
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Would you agree with Milo's assessment that social conservatism is dead?
Would I agree with Milo's assessment that social conservatism... So I assume by social conservatism he means traditional marriage, What else does social conservative mean?
I guess that means pro-life.
There's probably a couple other issues.
That it's dead?
There are plenty of places in America where you can find people with those views.
As a general rule, you are allowed, I think, to have any private view that you want in the privacy of your own home.
You know, something interesting has happened on this campaign, which is that the Christian conservatives are still backing Trump, even though he's clearly not a Christian conservative at any level whatsoever.
I think they're just trying to back a winner.
But why are all these megachurches and all these church leaders Openly backing Trump?
Why are they tax-exempt?
They should only be tax-exempt if they're apolitical.
So I don't think they should be tax-exempt.
I don't think really that religious organizations should be tax-exempt at all.
Maybe you could occasionally find an exception for that if they're doing certain services within their community, certain charitable services.
But for these people that are openly backing political candidates and preaching about it on the pulpit, I don't see how this is tax-deductible.
I think it's kind of bullshit.
But as far as social conservatism, I think there are people out there who are for traditional marriage, marriage between a man and a woman.
And guess what?
It's their private right to believe that.
And if they want to believe that, that's fine.
But we're governed by the Constitution of the United States and the law of the land, not by the Bible.
And as long as they respect that, and you know what?
If you don't like gay marriage, don't get gay married.
But you know what?
A lot of times, I live in West Hollywood right here.
It's one of the gayest places on earth.
It's gayer than Oz.
And it's pretty great.
It's actually a great place to live.
And it's a great place to raise a family, whether you're gay or straight or whatever.
We have really nice parks and restaurants, and it's a really nice community here.
And we have frickin' rainbow crosswalks.
Frankly, it's a little gay for me.
But despite all of that, I think generally I wouldn't try to force it down people's throats.
No pun intended.
My ideas.
I would try to, you try to win them by your actions.
And I think that most people, once you get to know gay people, you get to know different people, you basically realize that we're all kind of the same and we all want the same things.
So that's why, for example, with the cake baker in Indiana that didn't want to bake the gay wedding cake, I wouldn't have the government come in and force him to bake a cake or close him.
I would let the market, I would not take my business to him.
And if you want, tweet about it and let people know, you know, don't go there.
Because that guy doesn't like gay people.
There's another baker one town over.
Who will bake the cake?
And then your dollar votes and you don't have to use the government to moralize to everybody.
I don't think that helps.
And by the way, as a libertarian, Gary Johnson doesn't agree with me on that, which is kind of disappointing.
So there we go.
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What about Trump's comment about Hillary's acceptance of donations from countries that
Yeah, so Trump, I think he made a point here, but he could have driven it home and I think
he missed the boat about, you know, that she takes money from countries that throw gays
Yes, Saudi Arabia does it.
You can find videos probably on YouTube right now.
And Iran hangs gays from cranes.
You know, Saudi Arabia doesn't let women vote.
There are women forced into burqas.
Imagine what it's like to live in the Middle East and be in an effect in what Bill Maher calls a beekeeper costume.
Don't tell me, you know, I know the left is trying to make some of this garb.
They're trying to fetishize it like it's empowering for women.
No, no, no, no, no.
If it was empowering for women, then how about let's get it to a place
where men are forced to wear something by women.
And then we'll figure out how even all of this is and by what choice this is.
But of course, the left, we all know what they're doing with this.
So I would say he had a moment there.
He had a moment where he could have said, "Hillary, you take $25 million from Saudi Arabia,
Will you give that money back right now?
He started saying it, and before she could answer, he talked his way through it, and he gave her the out on that not to respond.
It would have been a pretty powerful moment.
Hillary, you have all this money.
Your foundation has all this money.
Why do you take money from these people?
By the way, Saudi Arabia, for all the awful stuff they do, and they export all of this extremist Wahhabism and all this stuff, They're still considered a very powerful ally.
They're bombing the shit out of Yemen right now and killing thousands of people.
Just the other day I think they bombed a funeral procession that killed like 200 people.
No mass rallies or protests in Europe for that.
No UN condemnations, you know.
So I don't know, what does that say when other things happen in the Middle East and that does happen?
That's a whole other story.
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Trump got me interested in politics again, which led me to your show.
How do you think people like me will stay engaged if he loses?
Look, that's the silver lining to this election.
If you're a centrist, basically, and you don't like things about Clinton, you don't like things about Trump, or even if you like some stuff about them or whatever, there are so many people engaged right now when they come in the ratings on this thing.
You know, hundreds of millions of people.
I'm gonna guess around 200 million people probably watch this thing tonight.
So, the fact that we're all in on this, and discussing this stuff, and people, I sense for sure, people are actually concerned about the future of the country.
People are actually talking about issues again.
So as terrible as the sideshow is here, people are interested, but you gotta stay interested after.
You know, I think there's gonna be a moment November 9th, no matter who wins, the day after, We're going to be just spent.
I think everyone is going to have a physical reaction to this thing basically being over.
But in a way, the fight will have just begun.
If you don't want this situation to have really unlikable people and really not talking about ideas and all that stuff, you don't want this happening and you've got to stay engaged.
You've got to vote or run for something or at least share your ideas.
You've got to get involved.
I think somebody's shaking over here.
We're shaking the computer.
Um, so, uh, you gotta get involved.
That's, that's the most important thing.
And stay involved, and don't be afraid to say what you think.
So the question is, is there basically, is there a parallel to voting in that Mussolini
and Hitler were both voted in?
Is there a parallel to Trump?
Look, I don't think Trump wants to create a massive genocide like Hitler did, certainly.
There are qualities to Trump that do reek of just sort of demagoguery.
Even when, you know, there's a populist and a nationalist-ness to him, that kind of reek of that.
He, you know, even as a way when he speaks, you know, he'll say something and then he kind of walks away from the microphone, makes all these strange faces and all this stuff.
And that's very, if you watch old videos of Mussolini, it does kind of look like that.
In no way am I comparing him to either one of those.
As I said, he's ultimately a New Yorker and he was a land developer and a businessman.
A businessman, so I think it's a bridge too far to say any of that.
There may be some personality traits, but you know what?
All of these people, if you want to be president of the United States, all of these people are whacked out narcissists some one way or another.
So yeah.
Meanwhile, Donna Brazile, who was a super delegate, she was a DNC super delegate, right?
Meaning she could help put Clinton in if she wanted.
She then, when Debbie Washington Schultz was forced to step down, Donna Brazile becomes the head of the DNC.
She then was tipping off Hillary Clinton campaign questions.
That was proved in WikiLeaks.
She's now being questioned by Megyn Kelly on Fox News, and she just looks like she's just being beaten senseless over that.
They have to be exhausted by this.
I mean, that's, look, you know, that's the irony.
It's like, whether you like how or why WikiLeaks came out, or whether it has something to do with the Russian government or something, Um, the fact that the government, you know, that the Democrats are being exposed as being so corrupt, that exposing them as corrupt ultimately will be good for our country because we need them to be more transparent.
Have I found an easy way to wake up people to the obvious repression of free speech?
Not an easy way, but the way I do, you guys know, is telling you what I think.
It really is that.
It's that simple.
Now, I know that I'm doing this for a living, so I'm in a little different situation where I hear from some of you guys where you say it could affect your job or your friendships or whatever.
Look, I've lost a lot of friends over the last two years.
You know, big racist, gross racist bigot over here.
So, but I gained a lot of other friends and I've actually made friends through the show.
I mean, audience members that have become actually, you know, viewers that I've become actual friends with in real life.
So, I think the best thing you can do is just, there is no easy way.
There really isn't an easy way to unfurl some of this stuff.
There's a societal shift happening right now.
And that's why, you know, I know it's easy to joke about the safe spaces and the trigger warnings and stuff.
Like, it just sounds easy to make fun of young people.
But I feel bad for them, actually, because if you are able to guard yourself from every other idea.
Guess what?
One day you are going to be, and so let's say you do that.
Let's say you go to college, you've trigger-warned yourself and safe-spaced yourself into never hearing anything that really upsets you or any of that stuff, and you call everyone the appropriate pronoun all the time, and you never mock anybody, and you don't even wear a Halloween costume.
You just lock yourself in a dark room during Halloween so you don't offend anybody.
and all that stuff.
Well, okay.
Okay, you did it through college, but then one day you are going to walk into the real world
and somebody is going to say something that's going to upset you
and you're gonna have a complete fucking mental breakdown.
So we have to watch out for that.
So I pity these people.
Not pity.
I feel bad that they're being put in this situation because the campus leaders and the presidents of the universities and all that stuff are acquiescing to the kids.
They're letting the inmates run the asylum.
That's no good.
And the more that that happens, by the way, the less qualified people we're going to get to run universities, because who would ever want to be held hostage by their students?
So we'll get less good people there.
We'll get less good people running for political office, which may have already happened.
So we have to fight these ideas.
We have to fight these ideas.
That doesn't mean you have to be tolerant of every idea.
That doesn't mean you have to be tolerant of intolerance.
I'm not tolerant of intolerance.
I'll call it out whenever I see it.
But you have to fight this stuff.
Don't be afraid.
You know what?
If at the end of the day, if you're self-censoring yourself because you don't want your friend to think you're a bigot, and you don't want to post something on Facebook because you might get somebody upset, then we've lost already.
Then where are we going to be in four years?
If you think political correctness is a problem now, and that causes you not to say what you think
because your friend might get upset with you or someone might de-friend you on Facebook,
then we lost.
I guess we lost already, so I'll be pretty lonely in a couple years.
Most significant moment in any of the three debates.
You know, ironically, considering the bombast and the over-the-topness of this Of this cycle.
Were there any moments that were really stand out moments?
I think, let's think.
I'll tell you, the moment was that the beginning of the first debate, that first 20 minutes where Trump really went on the attack and suddenly also seems to have a command of the issues and people were like, holy shit.
There was this feeling of like, holy shit, is he going to really be able to do this?
And then he, I don't know that he ever went on enough of a run after that.
He was, you know, he had some moments in the second one, had a couple moments tonight.
But he never went on that prosecutorial thing that I think a lot of people expected because there was enough meat there to get her with.
And hopefully soon enough, we'll be able to expand the team.
You know, when we just went independent last June, I didn't think we were right around the corner from taking this final step of doing the home studio thing, but we lined up a couple things.
I took two fairly massive loans out to make this happen, but I think we can do it.
And I think we're just at the beginning again.
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They're sick of people that just pretend they have all the answers when they're just making you angry at everybody.
And I think the way that we treat this show and the way that I talk to my guests and the way that we tag and title the videos and don't do clickbait, I think those are all things that translate into something really good that I'm really proud of.
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Has Johnson ruined the image of libertarianism in the mainstream?
Look, I'm really, you guys know, I'm disappointed in Gary Johnson.
I did a video for patrons only, really explaining my thoughts on this.
I like him. I think he's a decent guy. I've spent private time with him.
I had him on my show. He's a nice man.
He really, almost since I did that video in August, he had so many terrible moments.
Now I want to give him a little bit of a leash here because the media ignored him except when he had bad moments.
So I don't know, did he have bad moments intentionally just so they finally pay some attention to him?
Possibly, I guess.
But he's been pretty bad.
I don't think he's really taken this seriously.
I think this was a year where obviously Gary Johnson was not going to be president, but he could have been a face of libertarianism for a lot of people, even if he didn't get in the debates, which is what my hope was.
He could have been a face of, you know what?
Libertarians aren't crazy.
Libertarians aren't just screaming about driver's licenses and legalizing heroin, but libertarians do want to talk about reducing taxes and rights of the individual.
And having a strong military so you don't have to use it.
And why legalizing marijuana is good.
And why LGBT rights are good.
Et cetera, et cetera.
He could have done it, and by being so basically inept and uninspiring, he shot libertarianism in the foot.
I think he actually said it back this year, which is very disappointing.
I think there are so many people, classical liberals and libertarians, that want to wake up to something, and it's not either one of these two.
And yes, I may be in the minority of the country.
Most of the country is going to vote for one of these two people.
But that doesn't mean that there aren't plenty of other voices out there and that we shouldn't be heard.
And I think there was an opportunity that he really missed.
I would welcome him back on the show to ask him what happened.
But it is disappointing.
All right, we've got a couple minutes left.
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Amira!
If Hillary wins the election, will gender relationships be better or worse?
I think that right now as it stands with Black Lives Matter, although it's cooled off the last couple weeks I think because everyone's been in such election mood, I think that the phrase that I use a lot lately about the road to hell is paved with good intentions is starting to what's happening, to be what's happening with Black Lives Matter.
You know, they want Black people to be treated fairly under the law.
They feel aggrieved.
There's a lot of videos that imply that the black community is not gay and that there's been a problem with police officers.
I've had police officers reach out to me, by the way, and I'm trying to get somebody from the LAPD, a rep, to come on the show to talk about race relations and policing and things like that.
I would say that the movement itself has shifted into something else that is a problem, where they're silencing people, there's videos of pushing people, white people, to be in the back and they block the gay pride parade because they think their level of oppression in Toronto is higher than the black people, even though Black Lives Matter is basically an American.
Phenomenon.
You know, there was an incident where a guy in a MAGA hat was walking in a park in New York City and the Black Lives Matter people, you know, were over, were pushing him out physically, basically assaulting him, pushing him out of the park.
Like, none of these things are liberal or good principles.
So every movement that has good ideas, you got to stick with those good ideas.
And you can't be for violence.
You cannot be okay with shooting cops, You cannot be okay with hurting people or damaging property or stopping cars in roads.
You will win your movement by, you know, as Obama says, you know, when they go low, we go high.
Well, then you got to go high.
And I think the movement's lost a little bit of that.
But maybe it'll turn around.
Who knows?
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Uh, there's only three minutes left and then it's... Alright, three minutes left.
What do I think about Evan McMullin leading in Utah?
He's a Mormon.
It would be interesting if a Mormon could somehow win in Utah.
He's basically an old-school conservative, maybe a little bit of a neocon from what I understand.
We were supposed to have him on the show last week.
He canceled on us.
Only our second guest ever to cancel on us.
The other one was John McAfee, who ran as a libertarian.
So I wish I had a little more insight into him, because I would have liked to have him on.
We're trying to reschedule, but last I heard, we hadn't heard back.
But, you know, a guy like that, it's like, that's what I would say with Gary Johnson.
He needs to go all in on alternative media, not just me, but go on Crowder's show, go on Rebel TV, go on a bunch of these other shows.
Get the grassroots internet stuff behind you, because the media, I haven't seen one thing on Evan McMullin on CNN or Fox or MSNBC, so that's what I would say where we're at.
All right, let's get to that 3,000 total patrons.
That would be good if we could do that.
Right now, so if you haven't jumped in, you know, a buck, two, whatever you got.
And by the way, you guys that do donate, you allow these ideas to be heard by people that are in college or don't have the funds that you have.
You help, you know, we don't have to put the show behind a paywall or anything.
We don't have to charge a monthly thing.
You're helping these ideas be spread, actually, by doing that.
All right, and basically, I'm guessing we got about a minute left, so if someone was gonna win over $300 to beat Joseph, this is your chance.
Otherwise, Joseph's gonna be pissed at me, but I gotta do it, Joseph.
This is your last chance to beat Joseph if you go even one cent over on the $300.
And we'll wrap up with a couple questions, and then we're gonna move on to the Patreon video.
Oh man, Jonathan's pissed, but Joseph, you did it.
Okay, so the question is, I thought you were independent already, you know, what exactly is going on here?
So basically when we left Aura TV, we voluntarily left, they wanted us to stay, we decided to do this show totally independently so we could control the distribution, we could fully control the messaging, I could say whatever I wanted, all that stuff.
The one piece that we weren't independent about is that we've been renting the studio.
So we rent studio space in LA, which isn't cheap, but basically we have to... We got it at a pretty good rate, but we had to pay every time we used it.
We realized that the more we were shooting, in some ways we were losing money, because in certain ways, YouTube's CPMs, what they pay you, aren't that great, and sometimes it was actually costing us money to do more shows.
I want to do more shows, so it wasn't quite making sense.
So we realized that the only way to fully, fully be independent, meaning we don't have to pay rent, I'm gonna have to pay a mortgage, but we would fully control everything that we could shoot as much as we wanted and the more we shot
The more the channel would generate, eventually we would become less dependent on Patreon.
We knew this was the last step, basically, to true independence.
True independence meaning that nobody else is controlling this.
If I want to do a distribution deal, we can do that.
We can figure out, we have no boss.
We can multiply the amount we're doing.
We can work as much as we want and make more content than ever before and all that stuff.
So that's why we decided to do it.
I didn't think it was going to happen this quickly.
You know, we only left Aura and went independent in June.
But a few things shook out, and we found a spot that had a really perfect, we're building the garage, it's a really good, clean space, two-car garage, but it's pretty wide, has nice high ceilings, so we can build a really cool lighting grid, and we're going to build a really, really awesome studio, and that's why we decided to do it.
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So, I figured out another way, maybe, to make it fair, but it's completely up to you.
I'm going to give you another mug between now and 9.30, right now, he's in the lead.
You know, Thunderdome, until they get out of the Thunderdome, the first half of that movie is awesome.
And then after that, it derails a little bit.
But Fury Road was fantastic.
I loved Fury Road every second of it.
For all the people that said it didn't have a story, I thought it had just enough story to be relentlessly energetic.
And like, there was a point, you know that moment when he's just in the smoke, when he just goes out there to destroy some shit and you don't know what it is?
I realized I hadn't barely breathed.
The entire hour before that, so it's a great, great movie.
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Well, first off, I mentioned this yesterday, you know, they're coming out, Nintendo's coming out with a new NES 8-bit system, Nintendo Entertainment System, the original from back in the day.
They're coming out with a new one that, you know, it's all HD and it connects to all your fancy TVs and everything.
It comes out on November 11th, I think, so I'm going to get one of those.
It's only like 60 bucks or something.
My favorite game of all time, I think probably Metal Gear Solid on PlayStation 1.
I just freaking love, love, love that game.
But some of my favorite games over the years, Ghouls and Ghosts on Sega Genesis.
You know, the game that I have on the set, we was on the set in our little wall unit there, I have a game called Herzog's Weed.
Any of you remember that?
It's a great split-stream strategy game that I've spent way too many hours of my life playing with my friends.
Loved, you know, a lot of the EA Sports games from that into NBA Live.
The original, a couple of the original Nintendo games that were some, you know, Tecmo Bowl was one of my favorites.
You know, the original Super Mario Brothers is probably the greatest video game.
Of all time.
And what else?
Let me pick one more.
Oh, and Contra I think is just a great, fun, amazing shoot-em-up.
Citizens United, which basically allowed unlimited money in the system, it is a huge problem.
We cannot be beholden to just rich people being able to buy and influence everybody.
So that's why I would be for publicly funded elections and much more transparency related to that.
You know, Hillary's gotten a ton of money from all of these groups.
And, you know, there are super PACs that are working for Trump, by the way, too.
And I see these PACs that are all the time, that are advertising on cable news.
So the cable news people are getting money from the super PACs, and they're supposed to be also telling you the truth about the whole situation, which probably doesn't happen well.
I see a lot of people right now are, it seems to be that the big talking point is that Trump wouldn't commit to accepting the election results.
I do think that's a problem.
I get it.
They screwed Bernie, the DNC.
You know, clearly between this Project Veritas stuff, like the Democrats have done some shady shit, but it's a real threat to democracy to before there's any proof of fraud, like actual voting group fraud, not that they didn't do things At rallies and things like that.
To not accept the results, it's a dangerous, slippery slope game.
And as I've said many times, we're all gonna be Americans the day after this thing.
And our system is powerful.
So even if the guy or girl you don't want in there gets in, our system can withstand that.
But you gotta stay engaged to make sure that you vote for the Congress, people that can override the President, if you don't like the President.
From Dr. Rick, the question is, how do you handle the hate?
And sometimes for me, it's 14 to 1 in faculty meetings.
Obviously, you don't have to tell me where you're a teacher at.
Doctor, I assume you're a professor somewhere.
You know, look.
First off, for me, believe it or not, for all the stuff that I openly say and I don't have a problem talking about, 90% of what I get back is positive.
90% of it.
And I get messages from Christian conservatives, and I get messages from ex-Muslims, and I get messages from atheists and theists and believers, whatever you want to say, and all kinds of people, and 90% of it is positive.
Every now and again I do get death threats.
Every now and again people send me Nazi memes and send me a picture of me being thrown off a cliff for some other Photoshop nonsense.
Or just misquote me intentionally.
There's this small cadre of people on Twitter that love misquoting me and spreading it around to other people.
I don't like it.
How do I deal with it?
If it's online, when it's purely online, and this is what people I think have missed, what mainstream has missed with Pepe.
So all of you that tweet the Pepe stuff, even if he's in a Nazi uniform, which obviously I have family members on both sides, on my mom's side and my dad's side, who died in the Holocaust.
So I do not hold that lightly, okay?
But I understand what these people are doing.
These people have been left out of the system and they're trolling the system so that you send somebody a picture of a frog, not even in a Nazi costume, just a smiling frog, and someone thinks it's a hate symbol.
People have to realize what real hate is when they're outside your house with a pitchfork.
Real hate is not a picture of a frog.
And so I would Basically, yeah, there's bad stuff that's out there and you're gonna get shit.
Look, it's not fun for you.
You just described 1401 and a faculty where there's probably so many regressive people and regressive ideology.
It's not fun and it probably makes you want to think about doing another line of work or whatever.
But I would say this, I get so many messages and I've met so many people when I've done a couple things at colleges and I'm speaking at a high school in Santa Monica next week.
I get so many messages.
There are young people waking up to this stuff and they desperately need to hear decent people talk about it because if they don't they're going to really think it's right and then they're going to get in their safe space and they're never going to hear anything.
That's against it.
So it's like, if we don't fight for this now, as I said before, if we don't fight for it now in 2016, where is it going to be in 2020?
That doesn't mean it's fun or, as I said, I've lost friends.
I've had people that were very good friends of mine that stopped talking to me to tell me I'm a bigot.
And it's like, and we're like, always like, well, can you show me the evidence of where I'm a bigot?
They'd say, can't really figure that out, but it sounds good to say, right?
So I know it's not fun, but what's your alternative, I guess, is what I would say.
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How dangerous is the national debt to American stability and can you lower taxes without increasing a large debt?
So how dangerous is the debt to American stability and can you lower taxes without increasing to the debt?
So I definitely want to do more on this as an economist.
I think the debt is a huge problem because ultimately one day these countries that we owe all this money to like China might call in their debt and then if we don't have the money to pay for it and our value our money keeps getting devalued Well, then you go to war over that kind of shit, because we'll still have more weapons than them.
They're going to want our money, and we're going to have more weapons.
So that's a problem, number one.
Like, does China ever think we're really going to pay back all this money?
Does anyone think we're going to pay back $20 trillion?
So the other part of the question was about taxes, and can you lower taxes and not make the debt go up?
I think it depends which economic argument you believe in.
I tend to think you can, because by lowering taxes, you can create more incentive for business, which helps the economy.
I know that's not a way a lot of people think, but certain people do think that way.
So I don't think you can tax yourself out of the debt problem, especially at the levels with which we're at right now.
All right, cool.
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We've got 15 minutes left until the Patreon exclusive stream.
My friends over at Skeptic Fence Show, what's up guys?
Just upped on Patreon.
And Christopher just upped on Patreon as well.
Oh, and there's more over here.
William just went on Patreon.
Stephen just went on PayPal.
Craig upped on Patreon.
And Dodgy Saffa jumped in on Patreon.
So thank you guys for supporting our studio build.
We're going to be able to do a lot more, hopefully spin off some shows.
I think we'll be able to do a weekly news thing.
We're really trying to figure it out.
Hire some people.
I've had a gajillion people offer to work for us for free.
I want to pay you.
I don't want you to work for me for free.
So, it's all part of the process of the build-out.
Alright, Amira, what do we got?
Do I like anime?
You know, I don't... not particularly.
Like, I haven't been a huge anime person.
People send me things that I watch that I think are cool.
Where should I start?
Let me know where I should start, because I would totally be down for that.
I often am looking for something to not watch politics.
So if you got something good... I did say on the stream last night, That the Transformers cartoon movie from 1986 is far better than any of that trash garbage that Michael Bay gave us, and much less in the budget.
An amazing soundtrack, and incredible Orson Welles as Unicron, his last part before leaving this mortal coil, and Leonard Nimoy's got in there, and Casey Kasem's in there, a couple other amazing voice actors.
Frank Welker, of course, did Optimus and did Soundwave and Megatron and a couple other people.
Look, I know this has sort of become like the cool thing, because then it's like, you can't blame me!
I didn't vote!
Look, it'll never get better if you don't vote.
George Carlin, who was one of my heroes, he did a thing about why he didn't vote, and I think it's a decent enough argument.
But I think you gotta vote.
This is the only chance we got.
We have such a luxury to live in a democracy.
We live in a democracy that is free.
That is flawed and fucked up, but it's free.
You've got to use your voice.
Otherwise, worse people are going to just come in and take it.
So vote if you can.
You've got to vote.
Election Day should be a national holiday.
Nobody should be working that day.
We've got to make it as accessible as possible, not as difficult as possible.
So yeah, vote if you can.
Thoughts on congressional term limits?
Look, one of the part of the problem is they never stop running.
They're running the second they run, the second they get in, they're running again.
They're fundraising again.
And even Obama now is fundraising.
He's doing a lot of freaking fundraising for the DNC right now as a two-term outgoing lame duck president.
He's still fundraising a $30,000 a head dinner.
Stop giving these people money.
We've got, I would be for, yeah, you can maybe run twice, I would do.
But I could be convinced that you can only run once, because then you'd really have to do the best you could and do the best for your community, because guess what?
You're gonna have to go back to your community and get a real job when you're done.
So I would be for that.
All right, we got a couple minutes left, then I'm jumping over to the Patreon exclusive, which any of you can join us for $15 on Patreon.
All right, just give me a bunch of easy questions.
They can be about life, they can be about politics, anything.
Just rapid fire.
Amir is just going to fire them off.
We're five patrons away from cracking $3,000.
$13 away from from capping to $25,000.
And the other mug, the other blank mug, this is Joseph's from earlier, but if someone wants to beat Jonathan, that's the name of the game, 325, and I'll sign it for you right here.
That's the name of the game.
To beat Jonathan!
Sorry, buddy.
I hope you win, if that's what it's meant to be.
We shall see.
So fire off if you've got quick questions for me.
Just fire them off in the comments section down below, which Amira is monitoring.
We've got a couple minutes left.
It's funny, the CNN chyron right now, it says, Clinton and Trump clashed throughout bitter final debate.
I didn't think it was that bitter, actually.
I think I was surprised that, I really thought Trump was going to go much harsher, and he didn't.
And I wonder if that was maybe him fighting a little bit of his, I think his natural inclination would be to do that.
And I wonder if some of his advisors held him back.
Maybe it was the other way around, I'm not sure.
But again, anything can happen in 20 days.
So whoever you're voting for, whoever you're supporting, don't feel too comfortable or too scared yet because anything can happen at this point.
All right, where are we at?
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Let's do these shout-outs and then rapid-fire questions.
All right, shout-outs and then rapid-fire questions.
Adam on Patreon, Greg on Patreon, who just went up, and Michael on PayPal, and Charles on PayPal.
All right, so now we'll do a couple rapid-fires, and then we got seven minutes to meet Jonathan.
Who wants to meet Jonathan?
He's at 325 on PayPal right now, and you guys are helping build us our Brand new home studio, which we have a contractor coming in.
I'm talking to a couple people to figure out the exact plans, and it's gonna be really awesome.
We will be able to do way more shows and way more stuff, and I won't have to sit on my couch anymore to do this stuff from a computer, because we'll have our cameras in studio, and we'll be able to do all this stuff from the set.
There's a lot of things we've been thinking about doing that we can expand in a lot of cool ways.
Mayor Ed Koch, who I interviewed once on my old SiriusXM show.
I think he was a really decent guy.
I think being the mayor of New York City is one of the hardest, most rewarding, conflicting, difficult things there is in that city, and I think he did a really good job, and he was a really, really decent guy.
My favorite book of All Time... God, that's a good question.
Well, that's not my favorite book of all time, but I will mention that.
There's a great book.
It's Carl Sagan's last book.
It's nonfiction.
But it was his last book where he actually didn't, he died before he finished writing it, where it's, where he really tries to explain a lot of what he thinks about science and the world and the future and belief and not belief and all that stuff.
And he really wraps it up nicely.
And I guess he really did know that he was getting to the, to the end of his life.
And it's just a brilliant book that you can just learn so much from.
And he had a way to explain science things.
And I don't know that anyone, even Neil deGrasse Tyson or many of these other guys, My favorite fiction book of all time might be Ender's Game.
My quest in life, my mission in life, the Jedi code with which I live, is to try to bring something decent to this planet.
And I fail often, but to try to bring some good out and make people hate each other a little bit less and use this influence that I guess I've made over time to hopefully get people to try to fight for the principles that are good and for freedom.
You know, what Spider-Man was doing, that kind of stuff.
Amir is cracking up over here.
But wait, real quick, before we wrap up, we got one more mug right now.
It's Jonathan at $3.25.
Unless in three minutes.
No, two minutes.
Oh man, unless somebody beats him in two minutes.
This is the moment.
We cracked $25,000 on Patreon, so thank you guys.
I'll do a couple more live shows.
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And we've got about two minutes left, so unless someone beats Jonathan... If anyone wants to join us, it sounds like $15.
Is the stuff that the all the elements that created life here the idea that it's only here and not elsewhere?
Seems pretty, pretty small to me.
So I gotta believe that there is at least life out there.
Has it been here?
I don't know.
And would we probably try to destroy it?
Yeah.
Would it probably destroy us if it got here first?
Yeah.
Where's Will Smith when you need him?
Anyway, alright guys, it's been a pleasure.
Thank you for so many.
I see thousands of people have been watching this thing.
And Jonathan, congratulations.
Oh, I'll sign this for Jonathan right now if you want.
Where's the blank?
We gotta grab the blank.
The blank is in the other room.
All right, so we're gonna grab the blank.
So congratulations, you guys.
You got an extra two minutes.
You guys are helping us build the show.
I hugely appreciate it.
I hope all this talking has been fruitful for you and that you guys have realized that there are some other people out there that want some decent answers like you do.
And it's pretty cool.
All right, Amir, you got one more bonus one for me while he's grabbing the mug?
I mean, I tweet too much, but I'm really trying to shut it down, not look at it right when I wake up, and not, thank you, and not... We're four people away from 3,000.