Aug. 12, 2016 - Rubin Report - Dave Rubin
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| Talking about trans issues is one of the most polarizing conversations you can have these days, | ||
| and in many cases, if not most cases, people seem to barely know what they're talking about. | ||
| To be clear for today, I'm going to be talking about transgender people, not Transformers. | ||
| While they're both more than meets the eye, I'm not here to talk about Autobots and Decepticons, so let's discuss transgender people and the entire whirlwind debate around their very existence. | ||
| What comes to mind immediately when you mention trans issues is the North Carolina law that was the outrage of the month when Republican Governor Pat McCrory signed House Bill 2, putting into policy a statewide plan to ban individuals from using public bathrooms that did not correspond to their biological sex. | ||
| Immediately, the media went bonkers and McCrory and basically the whole state of North Carolina were labeled transphobic bigots, which of course was followed by the usual feeding frenzy of partisan hackery. | ||
| The narrative quickly became either you want creepy adult men to be able to be in a woman's bathroom with a little girl, or you hate trans people. | ||
| Maroon 5, Demi Lovato, Bruce Springsteen, and other entertainers canceled concerts in North Carolina, and the NBA even pulled the All-Star Game, scheduled in 2017, out of the state. | ||
| So let's back up here for just a second. | ||
| First off, transgender people are an absurdly tiny minority within the country and the world. | ||
| This doesn't mean they should be ignored, but the virtue signaling coming from celebrities and pundits was totally overblown. | ||
| Why should all of the people of North Carolina be punished for the actions of their governor? | ||
| Yeah, they voted him in, but should every politician's decision decide how a whole state full of individual people is treated? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| How many of the people who were part of the outrage machine even know a transgender person or have volunteered at an LGBT center or donated to their cause? | ||
| I'm guessing very few, but showing outrage instead of actually helping people in a constructive way is apparently how you demonstrate how good of a person you are in 2016. | ||
| So let's unpack exactly what happened in North Carolina for just a second. | ||
| First off, trans people have been using whichever bathroom they see fit in North Carolina and every other state for as long as they've existed. | ||
| And as far as I know, there hasn't been a widespread problem relating to them going into the bathroom of their choice. | ||
| And if there has been a problem, it probably has been violence directed at At the trans person themselves, not the other way around. | ||
| So in effect, the Republican House and Senate of North Carolina decided to pass a law to stop a presumed issue where there was no ample evidence of a problem in the first place. | ||
| In short, it seemed more about moralizing about the existence of transgender people than passing a law which really needed to be passed. | ||
| And by the way, aren't Republicans supposed to be for individual liberty and small government? | ||
| Well, creating laws about bathrooms doesn't seem to be in line with limited government thinking at any level whatsoever. | ||
| Now don't worry, I'm not going to let the Democrats get off the hook here either. | ||
| In response to this misguided law, President Obama issued a federal directive On how public schools should deal with transgender kids' use of the bathroom, saying that kids should be allowed to go into whichever bathroom they see fit. | ||
| I believe Obama's actions were well-intentioned and the president was trying to protect this tiny minority of transgender students, but his response, in effect, was another power grab by the federal government. | ||
| Actually, it could be argued that this directive by Obama is a direct violation of the 10th Amendment, which states that any power not specifically delegated to the federal government in the Constitution goes back to the states. | ||
| Ultimately, this case, in which Republicans made an issue where no issue existed, allowed a Democratic president to take power away from the local state government and put it in the hands of the Fed. | ||
| Long story short, this is a perfect, just a perfect example of how dysfunctional our political system has become. | ||
| I should back up here for just a second and actually address trans people instead of making this all about the government. | ||
| From the trans people that I know to everything I've read and heard about them, trans people seem to just want to live the most authentic life they can, pretty much just like the rest of us. | ||
| Imagine for one moment that you weren't born into the body corresponding with the sex that you felt that you were. | ||
| None of us who aren't going through this horrific and truly existentially conflicting experience can have any clue what this is like. | ||
| That in and of itself is enough for me as a liberal to have compassion for trans people and want to help them in their struggle for the same dignity that we all want. | ||
| Of course, a libertarian who might not care about trans people one way or another could come to the exact same conclusion by arguing that the government has no right to dictate which bathroom a person goes into. | ||
| This, like with gay marriage and legalizing marijuana, is another in the long line of issues where I see a new political center aligning. | ||
| People who want to do good by their fellow man, coupled with people who want to reign in the power of the government, are coming to the same conclusions based on respect of the individual, and that's an incredibly beautiful thing. | ||
| I believe this new coalition of people coming together despite political differences is exactly what could be the antidote for our obviously broken political system. | ||
| My guest this week is Blair White, a YouTube personality who, yeah, so happens to be trans, and she's also a men's rights activist. | ||
| Adding MRA to the equation really flips the oppression Olympics on its head, and you guys know I'm all about that. | ||
| I'm looking forward to having a wide-ranging conversation with Blair about her own personal journey, the battle for equality, her unique position on men's rights as someone who was assigned male at birth but now identifies as a woman, and much more. | ||
| I doubt she'll have all the answers. | ||
| I certainly know that I won't have all of them. | ||
| And that's exactly why we have to have these important conversations. | ||
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| My guest this week is a YouTuber, a free speech activist, a men's rights activist, and more than meets the eye, Blair | ||
| White. | ||
| Welcome to The Rubin Report. | ||
| Hi, Dave. | ||
| Thanks for having me. | ||
| Thanks for doing this. | ||
| You know, every couple weeks, I suddenly get a burst of tweets where people are saying, this is the person you got to talk to now. | ||
| And you were the person over the past couple weeks that everyone said, you've got to talk to Blair. | ||
| Let's make it happen. | ||
| Yeah, ever since I started YouTube, I've gotten a ton of people saying that we need to do a talk, we need to, you know, collaborate on something, so I'm glad we're finally doing it. | ||
| Yeah, alright. | ||
| Well, we do have a lot in common in terms of all the social justice stuff and free speech stuff, and you've really put yourself out there and totally unapologetic and you let it fly, so I'm looking forward to this. | ||
| So let's start with some of the trans stuff. | ||
| Because I feel like you're probably bored in some way by talking about it, but it does kind of frame a little bit of this. | ||
| Maybe you're not bored. | ||
| I don't want to put words in your mouth. | ||
| When did you realize that you were trans? | ||
| So the realization that I was transgender definitely came a little bit later in life. | ||
| When I was younger, I definitely had a feeling of, you know, disconnect between my self-perception and the way that other people interacted with me. | ||
| As early as probably four or five, I remember feeling like something just wasn't Right, I couldn't necessarily put my finger on it or, you know, figure out what the word for it was. | ||
| As I got older I kind of realized that I was able to take my life into my own hands and do what the medical community calls transition and, you know, live my life how I saw fit. | ||
| Yeah, so when did you first, you know, you're four or five years old, you realize something's a little different or a little off or however you want to phrase it, like what? | ||
| Do you have an example of like what made you think there's something going on here? | ||
| Um, I remember being in kindergarten and feeling like all the activities that were, you know, segregated amongst the sexes, I always had a natural inclination to want to do what the girls were assigned to do in there. | ||
| You know, putting backpacks away and the pink and blue cubbies. | ||
| I always wanted the pink one. | ||
| Not because it was an aesthetic thing, like, oh, I like pink. | ||
| It was more because I literally felt like that was where I was supposed to be. | ||
| Yeah, and then what about as you got a little bit older, so now you're four or five, you're now maybe in like junior high. | ||
| Were those trends just continuing or was there anything else that was popping up? | ||
| Yeah, that thread definitely continued throughout my life. | ||
| Once I started to get a little bit closer to puberty, so like junior high, I started noticing some bodily changes, obviously puberty, and that was when I started to develop what they call gender dysphoria. | ||
| And that is basically feeling, like I said, the disconnect between your body and the way people perceive you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I realized through going through that that I needed to transition and as I got older and had the financial means, I definitely put that into motion. | ||
| Yeah, when you realized that you wanted to transition, did you know what it was exactly? | ||
| Because I think one of the reasons that I think so much of when we talk about transgendered people and these issues, people don't even understand, like, the basic stuff between what a crossdresser is and what a transgendered person is, or, you know, all of this gets lumped together as part of the LGBTQI community, and there's a lot of differences within those letters. | ||
| Did you realize, oh, this is actually something that I can do? | ||
| Yeah, definitely as I got older. | ||
| If, you know, the desire to transition wasn't necessarily that. | ||
| It was more of like, I'm not comfortable with the way my body is changing. | ||
| I'm not comfortable with the way the world is perceiving me. | ||
| And it took learning what transitioning was to understand, well, this might be my ticket | ||
| to, you know, being happy. | ||
| And it definitely was. | ||
| You know, I'm not one of those people, one of those trans people who thinks | ||
| that anyone who feels any type of, you know, dysphoria or whatever need to transition. | ||
| I think it's the wrong decision for some people and some people do regret it. | ||
| I think that there is a small number of people who transition is the right decision through and through. | ||
| I happen to be one of those people, I think. | ||
| It's worked out pretty well for me, but I do acknowledge that it's not the smartest thing for everyone. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| So you think there are some trans people who could be potentially in the same sort of situation that you were in, but actually going through the process might not ultimately be the best situation for them? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, if you look at the suicide rates for the trans community, they're extremely high, and a lot of times, they're almost the same even after transition. | ||
| So, for that reason, it makes me think, well, maybe transition isn't the right choice for everyone. | ||
| That's just my opinion, obviously. | ||
| I'm a believer in freedom, liberty, you know, do what you want with your body, live your life the way you want. | ||
| I just don't like the idea that Anyone who feels like they're feminine if they're male should, you know, alter their body. | ||
| I don't think that's a good route for everyone. | ||
| Yeah, you know, the suicide rate post-transitioning is sort of interesting because it's almost like a lot, a certain amount of these people, I would assume, they think that suddenly at the end of that road is the golden ticket, right? | ||
| It's the pot of gold where all of their problems are going to be solved, but there's still a lot of work to be done after, right? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, transition is just the beginning of your life. | ||
| You know, I didn't transition because that was going to be, you know, the goalpost. | ||
| I transitioned because, okay, let me get this out of the way and then focus on my career and focus on living my life and just being a normal person. | ||
| I think that a lot of people, you know, I've been pretty lucky that transitioning didn't come super difficult for me. | ||
| I had the means to, you know, do what I wanted to do, and I'm still doing what I want to do. | ||
| But for a lot of people, their entire life is working their minimum wage job and saving up for a surgery that costs $50,000 and all these treatments, and what they realize when they're done with that is, well, not much has actually changed. | ||
| Physically, yes, but my life is still in the gutter. | ||
| I've emptied my bank accounts doing this, and shit still sucks for me. | ||
| Right, that's really kind of fascinating. | ||
| I don't think people frame it that way usually. | ||
| So like, you have your life, you have whatever job you have, whatever friends you have, you save up all of this money, you still have sort of the same problems. | ||
| You may be in the body you want to be, but the physical part of your life and your finances and all that, and your family or all that, that's still all the same. | ||
| So there's still a lot that has to be done. | ||
| Yeah, there's so much more to life than, you know, what you look like. | ||
| And I'm not trivializing transgenderism, like it's just about what you look like, but at the same time, transition is just changing what you look like. | ||
| And there's just so much more to life. | ||
| Yeah, it's interesting. | ||
| You used the word normal a second ago, which I know in this conversation, sometimes when you say that to people, you say, well, they just want to be normal or I just want to be normal or that. | ||
| But that triggers people, that phrase normal. | ||
| But I'm guessing it doesn't trigger you because you used it. | ||
| So it's OK. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I mean, I will be the first to say being transgender is abnormal. | ||
| It's abnormal. | ||
| It's not common. | ||
| If you're transgender, you're an extremely small minority. | ||
| It's just not mainstream. | ||
| But I don't think that abnormal is necessarily a negative descriptor. | ||
| I just think it's not The status quo. It's just not the status quo. Yeah, I like | ||
| that. So let's talk about how it's sort of become mainstream because | ||
| Very quickly, you know, it seemed to me that for for gay rights, although it obviously took a long time | ||
| Suddenly within like a five-year span it became like cool and then marriage happened and it's all good now | ||
| You know what? I mean? Yes, there's still there's still problems, of course | ||
| But you know, it's it's pretty good for gay people in most western societies certainly in america right now | ||
| Not to say it's perfect, but it's pretty good. | ||
| The trans issue happened so quickly on the heels of gay marriage, a lot because of Caitlyn Jenner. | ||
| So what did you make of just sort of the, I guess, the transitioning of Caitlyn Jenner, someone doing it so publicly, and then also just the media thing that went on behind that? | ||
| Yeah, you know, it was really interesting for trans people to watch that go down. | ||
| I mean, it was like watching... I don't even know what. | ||
| But what was really interesting to me was when Caitlyn Jenner came out, she was heralded as this, like, brave, amazing person. | ||
| She was beautiful. | ||
| She was stunning. | ||
| She was just everything people wanted in a trans person. | ||
| And then she sort of started opening her mouth, and people realized, like, oh, she's still a conservative. | ||
| She's a Republican, which is worse than being trans. | ||
| It is, it is. | ||
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| And people turn on her completely. | ||
| She's the most hated person. | ||
| Because before it was just like the super far-right conservatives that were like, I don't like that. | ||
| Now it's everyone, because everyone hates being, you know, everyone hates conservatives. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I guess conservatives don't hate conservatives. | ||
| I think most people secretly don't. | ||
| But this PC machine has us all tricked into who we hate. | ||
| But we'll get to that in a little bit. | ||
| Do you think there's a risk when something happens so quickly? | ||
| This is partly what I've seen. | ||
| People didn't know much about trans issues because, as you said, it's a very, very tiny minority. | ||
| Now, I would be for protecting any minority in any way that you can, but that when something becomes so public so quickly that everyone kind of goes crazy about it. | ||
| So, in the Caitlyn example, it's like she came out, and then it was like everybody suddenly was the trans ally and trans hero, and it was almost—it seemed like virtue signaling more than something that seemed real to me. | ||
| Oh, absolutely. | ||
| I mean, listen, I think that as a trans person, you can't have this expectation that everyone is going to, A, understand you because how could they? | ||
| And B, accept you because why would they? | ||
| It's literally, it's just being trans. | ||
| Like I said earlier, there's so much more to being a person. | ||
| Like, for me, someone being trans or not being trans or being straight or being gay, it's like, okay, but what do you do? | ||
| Like, who are you? | ||
| What are your actual virtues? | ||
| Beyond trans is amazing and everyone should accept it. | ||
| What are your real virtues? | ||
| That's what's important to me. | ||
| It's almost like you care about the individual. | ||
| What a radical thought. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, definitely. | ||
| Total radical thought. | ||
| Alright, so obviously if we're talking about trans issues, we have to talk about the bathroom law in North Carolina. | ||
| At the top of the show, I sort of laid it out for everybody. | ||
| And I'm guessing you're obviously not for the law, correct? | ||
| I'm not for or against the law. | ||
| I genuinely, I feel like I'm speaking for a lot of trans people right now. | ||
| I don't usually feel comfortable saying that, that I speak for anyone. | ||
| But I feel like in saying this, I'm comfortable saying this. | ||
| Most people don't care. | ||
| Most of us do not care who's going into what bathroom, etc. | ||
| I think that both sides of the political spectrum really, you know, brought this into something that it really didn't need to be. | ||
| I mean, trans people have used the bathrooms for as long as there's been bathrooms in trans people. | ||
| And no one's had an issue. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| The left was pushing wanting, like, gender-neutral bathrooms, which is a war of trans people did not ask them to fight. | ||
| We don't want gender-neutral bathrooms. | ||
| We just want to use the regular bathrooms. | ||
| We don't want to, you know, fine businesses for not, you know, spending all their money to build these new bathrooms. | ||
| And the right was making it seem like, you know, this huge rapist area, which was also fallacious. | ||
| It was just all so silly to me, just like the Kaitlyn thing. | ||
| It's interesting as a trans person to sit and watch the media circus around these issues when I'm just living my life. | ||
| Yeah, you're just trying to live your life. | ||
| And as you said, I love the way you framed that, and it's partly what I said at the top of the show, but it's like, you and every other trans person for a long time has been using whatever bathroom they felt was appropriate, and as far as I know, there wasn't some massive problem related to this. | ||
| So you have a Republican legislature that makes it a problem, and then you have the federal government come in and say, well, we're going to start cutting funding if you don't do what we want. | ||
| And I don't think you're for bigger government in a case like this either, right? | ||
| No, absolutely not. | ||
| And, you know, that's an important thing to note because the left, like I said, often fights wars that we don't ask them to. | ||
| And, for instance, in New York, they, I believe, have started fining people for not using proper pronouns. | ||
| And that's not even just including he and she. | ||
| It's like ze and zur and zim and all that stuff. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's like trans people already have an unemployment rate that's I think like three or four times the national average and so you're really screwing over trans people by pushing this you know virtue legislation basically by adding you know a liability on the head of anyone they want to hire that might be trans. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| They often screw over the people that they're claiming to fight for and they're co-opting. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I'm pretty sure you know my feelings on this because this is what the left has done in a lot of ways. | ||
| So really, does this strike you as sort of the road to hell is paved with good intentions? | ||
| I believe that a good portion of the people on the left that are pushing for all this stuff, they think they're helping people like you, but in a weird way they're actually objectifying you for ultimately what becomes bigger government and more control. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, as much as I make fun of SJWs on my channel, I think that a lot of them do have their hearts in the right place. | ||
| I just think that they go about it completely wrong and they actually, like you said, do harm the people they're co-opting a lot more than they help them. | ||
| Okay, so with the law out of the way and sort of your Before we get to a whole bunch of other stuff, which is the stuff that I really want to talk about, is there anything else directly related to being trans or the public idea of trans or any of that that maybe I might have missed here that the average person isn't thinking about? | ||
| Well, I think, you know, something I say in a lot of interviews is that there seems to be this misconception that transgenderism is the offspring of third-wave feminism, of this, you know, riots in social justice Trans people have been around long before the rise of the SJWs, long before third wave feminism, and it's not, you know, a feminist issue. | ||
| It's just people, like I've been saying. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay, so you transition. | ||
| When were you actually finished transitioning? | ||
| Around 20? | ||
| Um, it's kind of weird to think, like, finished transitioning. | ||
| I mean, it can always be things that you want to do, but in terms of just living my life like a woman, being me, then yeah, I accomplished that probably within six months of starting. | ||
| So that's pretty quick. | ||
| Okay, so you do that, and now, as you said, you're 22 years old. | ||
| When did you decide that, I'm going to be someone that Talks about this. | ||
| It's one thing to live my life as you said but now you said I'm gonna put myself out there and I'm gonna take pretty unpopular opinions or at least opinions that are contrary to what the media will constantly push a trans person should be like. | ||
| Well, I decided to start my channel because I was, like I said earlier, I was just sick of being co-opted. | ||
| I was sick of SJWs having this monopoly on anything trans. | ||
| I mean, anyone who wants to check it out now, Google anything to do with transgenderism, the only things that pop up pretty much besides some actual scientific studies are, you know, Tumblr pages and, you know, leftist media. | ||
| So I didn't like that my identity was being politicized by them. | ||
| So that was kind of the main reason. | ||
| And then also, they're just topics I find interesting. | ||
| I actually don't talk about transgenderism that much on my channel. | ||
| I talk about feminism, Islam, Black Lives Matter, a lot of different things. | ||
| So it was kind of just a means to speak my mind. | ||
| Yeah, all right, well, we're gonna-- | ||
| Well, we're gonna dive into all that stuff. | ||
| Don't worry about it. | ||
| I'm not letting you get out of here without going into some of that stuff, at least. | ||
| Get me in trouble. | ||
| Well, if you get into trouble, it's on you, not on me. | ||
| But, so, when you decided to do the public part of this, did you have any pushback from friends or family, or were you concerned about your safety at all, or anything like that? | ||
| Oh, you mean YouTube? | ||
| Yeah, once you decided to put these videos out there, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, stuff went down when I started my YouTube. | ||
| People often comment on my channel saying like, oh you're trans so you can say all these things that I can't say as a straight white male. | ||
| Actually, I think it's the opposite. | ||
| I think I get way more blowback because I'm trans and I am speaking out against, you know, SJWs. | ||
| I think that they often see me as a traitor of sorts and so... | ||
| The amount of hell I got from starting YouTube was crazy. | ||
| I lost a ton of friends. | ||
| I had feminists trying to get me evicted from my apartment at the time. | ||
| My roommates were awful to me, so it wasn't easy starting it, but luckily I'm in a good situation now, living with my boyfriend, and I can do my videos and whatever, but definitely push back. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Isn't that interesting, the so-called tolerant side? | ||
| Once you start speaking about what you as an individual think, suddenly not so tolerant, huh? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I mean, they have this whole spiel about, like, supporting trans voices and making trans voices heard, but really they mean trans voices if they're on my side of the political spectrum. | ||
| That's what they really mean. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So in a way, Caitlyn Jenner, for you, She really has blazed two trails, in a way, by sort of normalizing some trans stuff in general. | ||
| But really, on the political side, I don't think you're a conservative, but you seem to me that you're either a libertarian or you're for freedom. | ||
| That seems to be the general thing, and you're for the individual. | ||
| But by her taking that position, as we said earlier, kind of flipped everything on its head. | ||
| So she's really like blazing trails all over the place, which is—that's what you're supposed to do, right? | ||
| Or am I wrong on that one? | ||
| What do you think? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think that she's done more to harm trans people too. | ||
| I think that a lot of conservatives don't like her. | ||
| I think she does a lot of really weird things and just her behavior is really weird and the fact that the biggest conservative trans icon killed someone in a car crash. | ||
| I don't think she's been super great. | ||
| Well, nobody's perfect. | ||
| Yeah, no one's perfect. | ||
| Sometimes we just kill people on accident, but, um, you know, I can't say she's blazed any trails for me. | ||
| I don't think my life's been become easier or harder because of her media presence. | ||
| I think that, I don't know. | ||
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| She is what she is. | ||
| I think that she's right about some things, you know, but she, she's Caitlin. | ||
| She's Right, right, right. | ||
| I guess, I guess really at the end of the day, this is the risk with any movement when you, when so much of it is based on one person, that person can't represent everything for everybody, as I don't think you, or as you've already said, you don't try to represent anyone other than yourself. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| If people feel like I'm saying things that they want to say but can't, then that's great, but I am solely speaking for Blair. | ||
| That's why in this interview, when I'm talking about trans stuff, I don't want anyone to think that I'm speaking as though it's some sort of monolith in my experience with everyone, because it's just not the case. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm curious, so you mentioned you have a boyfriend. | ||
| Did he know that you had transitioned before you met, or did he know who you were before you met, or how about that? | ||
| Yeah, everyone asks that. | ||
| No, I told him within, I think, the first 24 hours of talking to him online. | ||
| Yeah, he knew right away. | ||
| It was after I started transitioning. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| One other thing on the trans stuff, and then we're going to move into other stuff, I promise. | ||
| My friend Janet Mock, who I've interviewed a couple times, do you know Janet? | ||
| I don't know her personally, but I know her. | ||
| But you know who she is, yeah. | ||
| One of the things that she said to me, I had her on my old Sirius XM show years ago before | ||
| Caitlyn Jenner was out, when people really weren't talking about trans stuff. | ||
| And one of the things she said to me that I thought was particularly interesting is | ||
| that when she transitioned, that because she really does pass, she's really beautiful, | ||
| and because of that, it makes the experience that much easier. | ||
| Because people aren't constantly looking at her and questioning and that. | ||
| And that's only gonna happen to a really pretty small amount of people. | ||
| Do you think that's fair to say? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so what does that then do to the average person, you think, that transitions? | ||
| Because I think you're probably closer to her side of that, and I think a lot of people probably transition, and they're looking for perfection on the other side, and it goes to what we said before about their finding this pot of gold, but it never really can be there. | ||
| Yeah, I think that what we call passing just means, you know, being able to live your life and not being perceived as your original sex. | ||
| I think that it makes life easier. | ||
| I think that a lot of the people who don't pass are the ones who seem to be a lot of, you know, they have a lot of bitterness. | ||
| But, I mean, it's kind of to be expected. | ||
| I mean, it does suck if you were to live your life and just everyone is looking at you strange everywhere you go. | ||
| I mean, for any reason, trans or not, if you had some sort of deformity or whatever, it would suck. | ||
| All right, so let's move on to the social justice warrior piece of this, because I spent the last week watching a ton of your videos, I had seen many of them before, and you just do a great job because you fearlessly put yourself out there. | ||
| And as you've said repeatedly already, you're not representing anyone other than yourself, but you're talking about some serious stuff. | ||
| You're talking about Islam and Black Lives Matter and feminism. | ||
| These are pretty controversial things. | ||
| So let's start with, well, first off, I guess, when did you realize what a problem The SJW, the Social Justice Warrior stuff had become. | ||
| Was it directly related to the trans stuff or had you seen those sort of themes because of the world of Tumblr and the rest of it? | ||
| Well, right around the time that I was starting my channel, a lot of things were happening in the media. | ||
| I don't know if you remember, there was someone named Stephanie or Stefani. | ||
| They were like a trans-ager. | ||
| It was like a 45-year-old man who identified as like a 6-year-old girl. | ||
| Oh, yeah, I've seen some videos on that, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, complete degenerate. | ||
| And the leftist media was pushing stories about it and, you know, talking about how | ||
| it was brave and amazing, and I thought that was super disturbing. | ||
| And then I was also around the time when New York started fining people for not using the | ||
| right pronouns, and I was like, "OK, these people, like I said earlier, are fighting | ||
| wars that I did not ask them to fight, and I just wanted to, you know, speak my mind | ||
| And then, you know, there's also other components as well. | ||
| I don't like how feminism and SJWs tend to completely ignore men's issues, which is one of the first topics I touched on on my channel, and how they have all these, you know, apologetics when it comes to Islam. | ||
| Just a lot of stuff. | ||
| Yeah, there is a lot of stuff. | ||
| And it's all kind of tied together, so let's start with feminism, because you've been pretty outspoken against feminism, or at least what feminism has become. | ||
| So can you lay that out for me? | ||
| Yeah, basically I have sort of an objection to the ideological framework in which feminism operates under, which places women as an entirely separate social class than men, and places women as sort of a victim status. | ||
| Which, I've been around strong women my entire life, I've never found this to be true, that women are some sort of dambles in distress, and I actually think it's kind of sexist to place them in that place. | ||
| I also didn't like how feminism, you know, will virtually signal when they're confronted about men's issues and say they care about it, when they don't do anything tangible to actually help men's issues and help men. | ||
| So those are really my main objections to feminism. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So then you became a men's rights activist. | ||
| And as someone that has transitioned and is a woman, this really flips a lot of things on its head because people would think that you would be the reverse for some reason. | ||
| I think that would be traditional thinking. | ||
| But when did you realize that you wanted to become part of the men's rights movement? | ||
| And actually first, can you just describe what you think the men's right activism, what is it really? | ||
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| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Well, first of all, when I started my channel, I definitely, you know, waved the MRA flag, you know, Men, Drugs, Activists flag. | ||
| I've kind of stepped away from calling myself that because I don't, I feel like sometimes when I label myself or when anyone labels themselves, they sort of fall into the trap of confirmation bias. | ||
| And I don't want to feel like I have any sort of alliance with any sort of groups. | ||
| I just take each issue individually and digest it and make my opinion for myself. | ||
| But I definitely do care about men's issues and I still talk about them on my channel. | ||
| It's close to home because I have a half-brother who has been to jail for domestic violence and his wife had no scratches on her. | ||
| She lied about it, and she was able to get him arrested just on claims. | ||
| I also care a lot about inequities in divorce court, family courts, male suicide. | ||
| I don't like the stigma around male victims of rape and molestation. | ||
| It's kind of a lot of things. | ||
| There's a huge crisis in education for men in boards. | ||
| They're falling behind. | ||
| There really is a lot of issues, and like I said, feminism just doesn't even touch on them. | ||
| They claim to, but they don't. | ||
| Right, so I think that sort of conventional thinking on this is that men have kind of been in charge of the world for so long that even if some of those issues that you just mentioned are true, you know, claims and divorces and jail and this and that, that I sense that there's a certain amount of people with leftist thinking and some of these social justice worries that would just say, well, you know what? | ||
| Suck it up, men. | ||
| Your time is over. | ||
| Now, obviously, that's not saying I subscribe to, but do you think that's where it's coming from with them? | ||
| Yeah, but I mean, I think that line of thinking is super dumb. | ||
| I think that there's the past, and there's the present, and things change, and people have to change with it. | ||
| We have to realize that there are issues that face men now that they didn't face yesterday, and kind of move forward with it, because at the end of the day, the pendulum did swing too far, and we're kind of still in this state of trying to convince people that the pendulum swung too far. | ||
| Yeah, I would imagine that out of all the things that you talk about, that this is probably the one you would get the most hate for, and we're going to get into some of the other ones in a sec, but do you think that's fair to say? | ||
| No, I think by far the biggest one that I've gotten blowback from was Black Lives Matter. | ||
| Ah, really? | ||
| So not even Islam? | ||
| Sorry, let's shift to Islam for a second. | ||
| So you just did a video that I watched where basically you said that being an Islamophobe is not a bad thing, and then you laid out a case for that. | ||
| So can you kind of break down that video, and then we'll link to it below so people can get to it. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, my question would be, like, I'm transgender, why would I not be afraid of Islam? | ||
| I mean, like I said in the video, the implications behind the word Islamophobia is that somehow it's irrational to fear Islam, which is an ideology that calls for my brutal death. | ||
| I'm not sure why I wouldn't be afraid of that. | ||
| I mean, I would not be able to exist peacefully in a Middle Eastern country under Islamic law. | ||
| Really, I can only exist in Western society where People feel how they want to feel about trans people. | ||
| There's definitely people who wouldn't like me solely for that reason, but there is a general consensus that I have a right to live my life as I see fit if I'm not hurting anyone else, and that is what allows me to be here. | ||
| Right, so when you're talking about this, you definitely, to me, are making the distinction, which I always try to make, between Islam, which is just a set of ideas that can be criticized, like any other set of ideas, and people who live as Muslims. | ||
| And there are plenty of Muslim people who, as individuals, would certainly not care or want to harm you in any way, or who might fall in love with you or anything else, or who could be your biggest fans. | ||
| But you're saying that Where the rules of Islam are in place, this is something that it is legitimate to fear. | ||
| It is not phobic to fear. | ||
| You're not prejudging, you're post-judging. | ||
| Yeah, anywhere that Islam is codified into law is a horrible place to live in terms of human rights. | ||
| I mean, that's just an objective truth. | ||
| Like, obviously, there are exceptions, but even in those exceptions, it's just not up to par with the freedoms that you can have in Western society. | ||
| Obviously, I've met many, many Muslims who are perfectly fine. | ||
| No issue. | ||
| The thing is, I think you and I agree on this. | ||
| Like, it's important to separate people from ideas. | ||
| It's not, you know, That you hate Muslims because you're criticizing Islam. | ||
| It's just the idea of Islam, not the person who follows it. | ||
| I mean, look, I always say, it's like, I do not—I would only judge people on their individual feelings. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| If you're trying to behead me, or if you're trying to subjugate women, then I have a problem with you. | ||
| But if you privately believe whatever you want to believe, whether it's in Muhammad or Moses or the spaghetti monster or Jesus or—who else is there? | ||
| There's probably a couple other good ones, right? | ||
| Yeah, but that's the difference between us and SJWs. | ||
| They're the thought police, you know? | ||
| It's not enough for people to accept trans people in their own hearts or whatever. | ||
| You have to actively show it. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| It's like everyone has to be an activist or you're part of the problem. | ||
| That really is the difference, you know? | ||
| Yeah, you know, it's funny, I saw on Realtime a couple weeks ago, Bill Maher did an interesting piece about the left, and he was saying, you guys are always finding little dirt in a room that you demand to sweep up, meanwhile the whole building's burning down. | ||
| And I think that's really what you're describing. | ||
| It's like, you have all these people who, their general... | ||
| Ideology is pretty much the same, but they're finding little ways to fight with each other as there's actual issues that we're completely ignoring in terms of for all the trans people or LGBT people or women or other minorities that are in all of these places that are ruled by Islam. | ||
| It's horrible for all of them, but I don't see anyone on the left doing anything about that. | ||
| No, absolutely, and it's just like you touched on. | ||
| I mean, it's not enough to accept trans people and, you know, not discriminate against them. | ||
| If you accidentally misgender them, you're automatically a transphobe. | ||
| And they constantly, I mean, it's just, it's in the word of what they describe, microaggressions. | ||
| It's literally microscopic. | ||
| You have to search for it to find it. | ||
| If you have to search for it, it's not a problem. | ||
| Yeah, so wait, let's jump into the microaggression thing and trigger warnings and safe spaces and all that stuff. | ||
| So I know you're as against them as I am, but as someone that's younger than me, when did you see this actually starting? | ||
| Like, when you were in high school, was this concept bubbling up there? | ||
| Because when I was in high school, it did not exist at all. | ||
| No, I'm really young and I didn't even see it in high school. | ||
| I saw it when I got to college. | ||
| That was when I started seeing it. | ||
| I started seeing, you know, it was like everyone at my school had to be liberal, social justice warrior, or you were kind of blacklisted. | ||
| And it was kind of like, you know, that's that person and we're woke and we're, you know, constantly bridging signaling and we're great people. | ||
| That's kind of what it was. | ||
| I saw a lot of bias in college classrooms. | ||
| And I think it spawned in college more than high school, but yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So what do you make of, going back to Islam for just a sec, that Islam seems to have been put at the top of the suppression Olympics that we talk about all the time. | ||
| So trans is high on there, but it's actually lower than Islam. | ||
| To me, the SJW people, the regressive people, all this, their highest place in the oppression Olympics is Islam, which actually | ||
| is the most regressive and against progressive ideals of all of these ideologies. | ||
| So what is going on in their well-intentioned brains? | ||
| Absolutely nothing trumps Islam on the oppression Olympics. | ||
| It's really crazy how they really are, like you said, completely on the opposite end of what they believe in on pretty much everything. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I really, I genuinely don't understand it. | ||
| Like I've talked about this before, like why is it? | ||
| I think it's simply because they are dumb enough to conflate Islam with brown people and they protect brown people at all costs. | ||
| I think that's what it is. | ||
| I think it's that simple. | ||
| They're brown, so they win. | ||
| Which is not only—there's actually a degree of racism related to that, but it's also—it's terribly sloppy thinking, because guess what? | ||
| There are brown Christians, and there are brown Jews, and there are brown atheists, and everything else. | ||
| So they're attaching an ideology to a racial connotation, which is silly and nonsensical. | ||
| And one of the things—I saw, you know, the Olympics is happening right now, and our friend Lalo tweeted out a pic—he retweeted a picture that some writer had posted, and it was—I believe it was a woman from Iran and a woman from America in beach volleyball. | ||
| And the American woman—I think it was an American woman—you know, she's just in a bikini, as always, well-tanned, you know, great-body bikini. | ||
| And the Iranian woman was in, you know, the hijab and the whole thing. | ||
| And the guy wrote something to the effect of, there's nothing wrong with this. | ||
| And Lalo wrote something like, well actually one culture is forcing women to do that. | ||
| And I thought, this just to me is the perfect example of the virtue signal. | ||
| That I don't have a problem in and of itself with this woman wearing that stuff. | ||
| But it has to be purely her decision to do so, and she has to be just as free to wear the bikini. | ||
| So that American woman could wear a hijab and cover up completely, but she has the choice to do either, and it's just not true that the other woman has purely the choice, even though in this specific case, maybe she did, but I suspect not. | ||
| And this is the crux of the problem. | ||
| Do you think that's fair to say? | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| And people pretend like the hijab is, you know, a choice over there and it's just religious expression. | ||
| No, they don't have a choice and it's incredibly uncomfortable. | ||
| I mean, I would imagine, I've never worn one, but I would imagine it gets fucking hot under there. | ||
| Like, it's not, it's not as if, you know, it's just a different culture. | ||
| I think some cultures are objectively better than others. | ||
| Yeah, and I'm not saying you can't wear it, but it should be up to you. | ||
| That's why it's always women that are put in these things, right? | ||
| Like, that's true oppression, right? | ||
| It's not women forcing men to wear weird things. | ||
| It's always men forcing women. | ||
| So doesn't that show you a little bit of the power play there? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, feminism is completely silent on, you know, issues regarding women in the Middle East, which I think is insane. | ||
| I think that the fact that... That's another one of my huge problems with feminism. | ||
| They focus, like you said, on the small little corner in the room of the dirt, and they don't focus on what's actually happening, you know? | ||
| Like, like you said, microaggression, mansplaining, manspreading, all this shit. | ||
| And women in other countries are suffering. | ||
| It's like, they only focus on America, and we don't have that many problems here. | ||
| Yeah, in terms of women and, you know, oppression of women. | ||
| We don't really have anything wrong. | ||
| Yeah, not to say we can't get better at some things, but so what did you make of, because to me the biggest example of what you're talking about was New Year's in Germany when there was the mass sex attack and and rapes and they're still trying to figure out what happened and the media kind of covered it up but it obviously turned out to be a lot of the migrants and the new immigrants that have Come from Syria and actually they've come from all over the place because it's very unclear where they're coming from because of some of the laws that Merkel's placed in terms of immigration. | ||
| But immediately I saw people on the left not defending women, they were actually throwing women under the bus, but immediately defending Islam. | ||
| Now we've already talked about for whatever reason they hold Islam at the highest, but isn't that the most anti-woman thing you could do? | ||
| could do. | ||
| Women are our mothers and our sisters and our girlfriends and wives. | ||
| And their immediate reaction was not to defend the people who had been attacked, but to defend | ||
| an ideology that had led the attackers to doing it. | ||
| I mean, it's just the most backwards thing you could do. | ||
| I mean, it's a sickness. | ||
| It's this—I mean, I've read articles about, you know, Swedish women who were raped, and they don't tell the authorities because they know that the person who raped them was a migrant, and they think that, you know, they don't want to contribute to racism. | ||
| I mean, it's a complete sickness. | ||
| It's so wrong. | ||
| I think that the idea—like we said, I think this is—it's just the brown person thing. | ||
| You know, right now, with everything Black Lives Matter in the media, everyone is rushing to defend brown people at all costs. | ||
| And Islam, they happen to complete that with brown people. | ||
| All right, so let's talk about Black Lives Matter, and I think you've done a couple videos on Black Lives Matter, and my feeling is that the movement has changed, again, from what I would describe as something that was well-intentioned, trying to deal with some seriously big problems related to law enforcement and their treatment of the black community that I think most people realize is somewhat legitimate at some level, right? | ||
| I'm trying to be somewhat politically correct here, I guess. | ||
| But it seems to have morphed into something else. | ||
| So, you know, just the other day I saw a video of a guy in a New York City park who was wearing | ||
| a Trump hat. | ||
| He—that's well within his right to wear a Trump hat. | ||
| And Black Lives Matter people, a good group of probably 50 or 100 people, were literally | ||
| forcing him out of the park, getting right in his face, you know, pushing him a little | ||
| bit, all this stuff. | ||
| I mean, that is a threat to free speech and democracy. | ||
| A guy just expressing a political opinion with a hat. | ||
| And I've seen the movement sort of morph into more of that than I think what it should be about or is supposed to be about. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I think, like you said, the movement has changed. | ||
| I think the movement has become super talkative. | ||
| I think, like most social movements, it began with, you know, an idea that is well-intentioned, and maybe we even should talk about it. | ||
| I think police brutality is an actual topic that needs to be discussed, and I think it's a shame that Black Lives Matter has kind of made it so a lot of people don't want to talk about it. | ||
| It started with a good intention and then, like most leaderless movements, it really just took a crap, you know? | ||
| I mean, what we see is that they don't actually care about black lives. | ||
| Have you seen that young, I think it's like a 17-year-old who, I think he did like an interview on Infowars or something, he's a Trump supporter, and right now there's people like from Black Lives Matter like searching for him. | ||
| Oh, I did see it. | ||
| Unbelievable, that kid, yeah. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| And all the while, hashtagging Black Lives Matter while they're hunting down a black person simply because they want to vote for Trump. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| But I did make videos about Black Lives Matter. | ||
| I made one entitled, you know, straight to the point, I entitled it Black Lives Matter is Trash. | ||
| And I got a huge blowback from that. | ||
| It obviously was shared amongst Black Lives Matter. | ||
| You know, obviously my viewership enjoyed it, but Black Lives Matter did not. | ||
| And there was a huge doxing fiasco. | ||
| They were trying to dox me. | ||
| I had to go off social media. | ||
| I saw that you tweeted that you thought I had been banned from Twitter, which is reasonable | ||
| because a lot of us are being banned lately, but it wasn't the case. | ||
| I was actually kind of just laying low while Black Lives Matter was trying to ruin my life. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So for the people that aren't in it with all the internet lingo, so you were doxed, which | ||
| basically means somebody pretty much—they found out where you live, right, and made | ||
| that information public, and they can get all other sorts of—not just your physical | ||
| location, but they can get banking records and all kinds of stuff. | ||
| I mean, this is a huge threat to free speech, because once you have this sort of blackmail on people, And then they go after someone who publicly is saying things that are unpopular. | ||
| It's the chilling effect. | ||
| I mean, that's my thing with the Milo thing. | ||
| I want Milo back on Twitter for many reasons, and I miss his voice on there. | ||
| But to me, it's the chill effect of, OK, we got rid of Milo. | ||
| How many other people are going to stop saying what you think, regardless of whether I agree with them or not? | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| You know, even aside from Twitter banning people who voice any type of conservative | ||
| view, the doxing is a threat to free speech. | ||
| I mean, when you use intimidation or threats of violence to silence someone, that is literally | ||
| stifling free speech. | ||
| So, I mean, I didn't let it stop me. | ||
| I just went laid low for two days or whatever and then I came back and I doubled down with another video about Black Lives Matter. | ||
| But now I understand why a lot of people, when they do YouTube videos, they use anonymous pictures and names because it actually is difficult to, you know, stamp your name on something. | ||
| I think, you know, it means more when you do stamp your name on something, but there's also a huge risk that goes along with that. | ||
| Yeah, you know, I struggle with that big time because people message me all the time saying, you know, you're so brave, you're putting this stuff out there, free speech, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| And I'm just doing what I think is right. | ||
| I don't think I'm actually that special or anything. | ||
| I'm just doing, I got some thoughts firing around up here and I say them and that's really it. | ||
| But I do sometimes get frustrated. | ||
| By the amount of people that are in the free speech movement that are only doing it as anonymous people. | ||
| And I get it. | ||
| I get there's a real threat. | ||
| People feel like if they say something unpolitically correct, they're going to lose their job or all that. | ||
| But in a weird way, does that show we're actually losing? | ||
| Because so many of us that are trying to fight for what is real equality. | ||
| What is real honesty and what is really free speech feel the need already to be anonymous, which makes it seem like it would only get worse, even though there's obviously some awakening going on here. | ||
| Yeah, honestly, you know, I talked about this the other day with someone. | ||
| I do think, in a sense, it does mean that we have a huge battle ahead of us. | ||
| The fact that most of us don't stamp our name on it because it has huge social implications. | ||
| I mean, I told you about, you know, how feminists tried to get me evicted from where I was living. | ||
| Black Lives Matter tried to dox me. | ||
| I lost a shitload of friends. | ||
| I could imagine that what I'd say online if I wasn't doing YouTube full-time, if I were to go apply for a job at wherever, I would have difficulty doing that. | ||
| So, I think there's something to be said for the fact that you Google feminist YouTubers, everyone will have their full name, picture, all that. | ||
| If you Google, you know, anti-feminism, anti-Islam, anti-Black Lives Matter, everyone has like a cartoon picture. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| God, it's so clear to me, and especially when I talk to someone like you, it's just so clear to me that we're on the right side of this because we're having a consistent set of principles that we're standing for, which is actually for the minority and the free thinker and for the actual Muslim person. | ||
| And for the trans person, because we want these people to all be treated equally, not specially, and we have got to crush this thing. | ||
| It just seems so obvious as I'm talking to you. | ||
| No, we have to. | ||
| And, you know, you brought it up, I think we actually are losing. | ||
| The fact that Milo was banned, the fact that a lot of us are forced into anonymity, a lot of us are forced off the internet when we're doxxed, I think it's more important than ever to just speak. | ||
| But I understand the implications that go along with that. | ||
| Yeah, you know, a couple times you've mentioned that you've lost some friends in this battle, and I've said several times on the show, I lost a bunch of friends when I started talking about this too, and I've gained a whole bunch of new, better friends, so that's okay. | ||
| But I get emails all the time, people saying I'm losing friends, or I can't post this on Facebook, or this one blocked me, or my sister won't talk to me, I mean, really some crazy nonsense. | ||
| When you lost friends, can you give me an example of, like, what that—like, one time and how that conversation went? | ||
| Because I got—I can give you an example of, like, just people that I've known for many, many years that suddenly out of nowhere, Dave, you're a bigot and a racist, and I'm not going to talk to you anymore, and then that's it, and then stop responding to texts and calls. | ||
| And it's like, I don't think I've said anything remotely bigoted or racist. | ||
| I'm trying to have hard conversations, and it's just—it's just a sad state of affairs. | ||
| No, it is. | ||
| I think you and I might be similar in the sense that being gay and being trans, a lot of our social circle was liberals, and a lot of our social circle was people who were more inclined to the SJW mindset. | ||
| And so when it comes to starting to break out of that, it's kind of like leaving a cult. | ||
| I'm just going to be honest. | ||
| It's kind of like leaving a cult. | ||
| I lost like at least 15 friends like in one day. | ||
| First day of YouTube and all of a sudden I noticed a shift and no one talking to me. | ||
| Some people actually vocalizing that what I was doing was so wrong and people talking about me. | ||
| I think that a lot of people, I've heard a lot of messages as well, people saying they're losing family or they lost their job. | ||
| I think it sucks. | ||
| It really sucks. | ||
| Yeah, do you think politics has become the new religion? | ||
| Because it seems to me that in the old days, or for all time of human history, we were divided by religions. | ||
| Now, we still have plenty of religious division in the world, without question, but it seems to me more than ever right now, and partially this is because of, I think, our two crappy candidates running and just our whole political machine is broken in America and all that. | ||
| But now people are being divided on political lines. | ||
| It used to be—I know when I was growing up, my family table, we'd have big family events. | ||
| Everyone would be arguing over politics and all believed in all kinds of different things, and we'd be screaming. | ||
| And then at the end, everybody was fine, and we all went ahead and loved each other, and that's it. | ||
| But now it seems like if you know somebody that's a Trump supporter, that somehow you're racist, and you know somebody that's a Hillary supporter, you're somehow a Wall Street sellout and all that. | ||
| And it's like, this is crazy. | ||
| Yeah, I think it's all so emotionally charged. | ||
| I mean, it's almost impossible to have any type of political discourse without people just freaking out on both ends. | ||
| I'm not even going to say it's just a liberal SJW thing. | ||
| I think on both ends, people take it super seriously, and I'm probably guilty of doing that sometimes as well, but I do make a conscious effort to not take everything so seriously. | ||
| Objectively, what I talk about are serious topics, but I think it's nice to present them in a way that's just a little bit lighthearted. | ||
| That's why a lot of my videos are, you know, comedic in nature, because it's just everything's so heavy lately. | ||
| I know everyone feels that. | ||
| Everything's just so heavy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, isn't that the funny thing about what they call shitposting online? | ||
| It's like all of these people... I'm not saying you're doing it, but when I see all these... It was just funny to hear you say shitposting online. | ||
| Well, I'm trying to—for the people that don't know what shitposting is, I was trying—that was for the older audience. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I know the kids know what the shitposting is. | ||
| But basically, for people that don't know what shitposting is, it's basically intentionally trying to inflame people to get them to react. | ||
| And I see this all the time. | ||
| You know, I see all these Trump Nazis posting all this stuff, and I see the frog and all this crap. | ||
| And to me, it's like I either ignore it or I think some of it's funny and some of it's scary and annoying, but it's like, all right, you're some guy. | ||
| You did that. | ||
| You're not at my house with a pitchfork. | ||
| But then they get celebrities and journalists and big-name people to react, and then it seems like there's something much bigger going on here, when really all it is is some kid with Photoshop who took Hitler and put him on Trump, and people go bananas. | ||
| And it's like, you didn't really do anything. | ||
| Leslie Jones. | ||
| That's what happened with Leslie Jones. | ||
| It was her, this is why people say do not feed the trolls, because she was fired as | ||
| someone and everyone realized, oh, we'll get a reaction then. | ||
| So we'll post about her being a gorilla and we'll post about anything that will humiliate | ||
| her and she was going to war with these Twitter accounts with anime pictures and people who | ||
| aren't, you know, it's funny. | ||
| But that's the reason why Milo was banned also, which really sucks. | ||
| The fact that people really perceive it to be that there's just this many hateful, evil | ||
| people when really it's just people fucking with you, because it's the internet and you | ||
| can't have high expectations for the internet. | ||
| That's why a lot of people ask me like, how do you deal with the hate comments? | ||
| It's like, it's the internet. | ||
| I probably would be depressed if I was walking down the mall and someone just screamed shit at me, but it's the internet. | ||
| It's not a big deal. | ||
| That's what I always say, and I've really come around on this. | ||
| It's like, if some random nutbag with an anime picture or a twitter egg starts screaming at me, it's like, listen, if I was walking down the street and some crazy person started screaming at me, I would ignore them. | ||
| I wouldn't engage them and have a battle of ideas with a crazy person, and yet people think if a cat That does it to you. | ||
| You better respond or you're going to lose. | ||
| You know, the interesting thing about Leslie Jones, by the way, is I didn't know this until yesterday. | ||
| I have never interacted with her. | ||
| I've never tagged her in a tweet. | ||
| I don't think I've even ever said her name publicly, even when I did my video about Milo. | ||
| I'm not even sure that I brought her up specifically. | ||
| Never interacted with her. | ||
| I just saw yesterday that she has me blocked on Twitter, which kind of tells you everything you need to know about this level of discourse. | ||
| I was going to invite her on the show. | ||
| That's why I went to check. | ||
| I was about to just say, come on in, let's have an honest, open conversation the way I would do with anyone else, and she's got me blocked. | ||
| Yeah, a lot of times they use blocked bots, which is basically like they'll automatically block anyone who is a follower of, say, Milo Yiannopoulos. | ||
| So a lot of times that's what happens as well. | ||
| Like, you'll come across an SJW and you've never interacted with them, but they have you blocked. | ||
| So that's what that is. | ||
| Um, that's the whole, you know, echo chamber thing. | ||
| It's the whole, I don't want to hear anyone else's opinions. | ||
| I just want to spout my shit and no one can respond, which people think that that's like a violation of free speech. | ||
| I don't think that is. | ||
| I think that's a little dramatic to say you're silencing free speech because it's the internet. | ||
| Everyone has their own platform. | ||
| Like, it doesn't matter how big or small it is. | ||
| Everyone can say what they want. | ||
| I mean, I'm all for that. | ||
| Say whatever the hell you want, as long as you're not calling for direct violence or doxing someone. | ||
| Without a direct threat, beyond that, say whatever you want, and be the bigger person. | ||
| And if somebody's saying something you don't like, they got the mute button or they got the block button, or just ignore them and life will go on, won't it? | ||
| Yep, absolutely. | ||
| It's the internet. | ||
| It is the internet. | ||
| Well, you know what, you do so much of what you do on the internet, and I love what you do, and I think you're doing such great stuff. | ||
| Did we miss anything here? | ||
| I think we hit all the big points. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| I think we talk about a lot of stuff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When are you making it down to LA so we can do this in person next time? | ||
| Anytime, anytime. | ||
| I do YouTube full-time, so my schedule is pretty clear besides making videos. | ||
| That's pretty sweet. | ||
| Did you think it was going to happen so quickly that you could actually be a full-time YouTuber, as they say? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| I mean, listen, the money's not—I'm not sitting here, like, living the pamper—I'm not sitting here living the pamper life. | ||
| It's a YouTube channel, people, but at the same time, you know, I'm able to support myself and just focus on making videos now, which is great, so. | ||
| Yeah, well, that's all—that's what it's all about. | ||
| Well, listen, for whatever it's worth, even though I don't even like the phrase ally, you know you have an ally in me, and I have a feeling we'll continue to do some stuff together. | ||
| And you guys can find out more about Blair. | ||
| Check out her Totally not politically correct YouTube channel. | ||
| It's youtube.com slash BlairWhiteX and thanks a lot Blair. | ||
| Thank you. |
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