Sept. 25, 2015 - Rubin Report - Dave Rubin
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| I want to do something different for our third show. | ||
| We're going to get away from atheism and religion today, believe it or not, and we're going to focus on another passion of mine, politics. | ||
| Real quick, though, I should thank all of you that listened to last week's Direct Message and actually took it into action. | ||
| You guys are calling out the bullshit artists on every social media platform like I've never seen before. | ||
| As I said last week, when you guys are engaged, we can focus on other things and not just have the same conversation over and over. | ||
| I've really only been intimately involved in this conversation for a couple weeks. | ||
| Fighting the lies is not only exhausting, but it has also affected a couple of my friendships. | ||
| I really do think that part of the plan by these people is to tire out the good guys into giving up. | ||
| Your part in this debate is beyond crucial. | ||
| But enough of that, let's talk politics. | ||
| I was at the GOP debate at the Reagan Library last week. | ||
| I've never been to one of these things before, and I really had no idea what to expect behind the scenes. | ||
| We had a booth in the spin room right alongside CNN, MSNBC, and Fox News. | ||
| The fact that they call it the spin room really tells you all you need to know about this thing. | ||
| This is where campaign people and candidates go to spin their message. | ||
| I went to the truth room next door, but nobody was there. | ||
| Weird, huh? | ||
| We were able to snag surrogates from pretty much every candidate except for Carly Fiorina and Donald Trump because neither of them sent any reps to the floor. | ||
| I even got to ask John Kasich a question about gay marriage and Scott Walker a question about money in politics. | ||
| Come to think of it, maybe that's what caused him to drop out of the race earlier this week. | ||
| What I realized by being on the inside of all this is that there are some unspoken rules to how the game is played. | ||
| I talked to Mike Huckabee's campaign manager about gay marriage, and she basically just danced around it. | ||
| Had I pushed her to the breaking point, I probably would have never gotten access to her again, and then word would have traveled fast that I'm someone that they shouldn't talk to. | ||
| So with that in mind, I tried my best to navigate all the interviews with some basic questions, and then some deeper probing. | ||
| I asked pretty much everyone about campaign finance, and I really pushed on social issues. | ||
| It was a big learning experience, and we'll figure out how to engage with the candidates and the representatives in an even more incisive way beyond the spin and the soundbites. | ||
| Hopefully as the show gets bigger, we'll get to more of the debates. | ||
| Candidates will eventually realize that I'm going to be tough but honest, whether we agree or not. | ||
| We're plotting out our plan to go to the first Democratic debate in October right now, so stay tuned for that. | ||
| So for today's show, we're going to jump back into the political waters. | ||
| I've got two comics I like and respect, Jimmy Dore and Felicia Michaels. | ||
| I agree with them on some issues and disagree with them on some others. | ||
| What I know more than anything else, though, is that comedians have a way of holding themselves to a high standard of truth. | ||
| Sure, we'll get things wrong, but the good ones have a fearless desire to say controversial things and let the chips fall where they may. | ||
| As Billy Wilder said, if you're going to tell people the truth, be funny or they will kill you. | ||
| I guess you could say that comedians are guardians of peace and justice in the galaxy, just like the Jedi. | ||
| Well, except comedians usually smoke a lot more weed. | ||
| All right, so I am with two of my favorite political comics, Felicia Michaels and Jimmy Dore. | ||
| Most of you guys probably recognize them from our old show, but they are new to the all-new Rubin Report. | ||
| What do you think of this? | ||
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It's beautiful. | |
| These digs, come on! | ||
| You have a great apartment. | ||
| Pretty sweet. | ||
| Jimmy, we have a jib. | ||
| There is a camera flying around. | ||
| You love the jib. | ||
| I do love the jib. | ||
| You once told me that comedy is 90% jib. | ||
| 90% jib and 10% eyebrow raising. | ||
| Ah, all right, well then we're in good shape. | ||
| So what I wanted to start, we're going to do all... That was good. | ||
| That was good. | ||
| So we're going to do all politics. | ||
| All right, let's go. | ||
| I purposely brought you guys on for politics. | ||
| I know you guys love politics. | ||
| So unfortunately we have to start with Donald Trump. | ||
| I hate that we have to start this way, but I feel that we do because this is the thing that has just consumed everything. | ||
| So I guess I'll just open it sort of evenly. | ||
| What do you make of this Trump madness? | ||
| You know, the thing that irritates me most about Donald Trump is how all my liberal friends are freaking out. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| They're, oh, he's going to get his hands on the button. | ||
| You know, all that kind of rhetoric. | ||
| And it's like, would you nut up? | ||
| The only way he's going to get his hands on the button is if that's what his wife calls his penis. | ||
| It's just so crazy. | ||
| So you don't think he's going to become the president? | ||
| You have no fears that this actually could be legit? | ||
| Well, I think anything is possible. | ||
| I hope he doesn't become president. | ||
| And, I mean, it's scary the people that are attracted to him. | ||
| That scares me, you know, that he gives a voice to that. | ||
| That's frightening. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So we'll get to those people in a second, because I do want to talk about them. | ||
| But do you think this thing is real? | ||
| I've been saying for months, I think he's going to do three debates. | ||
| And we've already done two, but I think he's going to get to three. | ||
| He's still going to be peaking in the rankings. | ||
| And then he's going to say, ah, I moved the dial, I'm out. | ||
| And then he's going to be the attack dog for whoever the nominee is. | ||
| That's my basic prediction. | ||
| Do you think this is real? | ||
| Well, say what you want about Donald Trump. | ||
| He does make the racism run on time. | ||
| What I do actually enjoy listening to Donald Trump speak is because every once in a while, you know, I'm in the mood to watch a Hitler documentary, but I want to hear it delivered by Gary Busey. | ||
| So that's why I'm really... He's part Hitler, part Gary Busey. | ||
| That kind of works. | ||
| Donald Trump, I predicted he would go away. | ||
| He doesn't really want to be president. | ||
| He doesn't really want to do anything. | ||
| He doesn't want to have to read up on anything. | ||
| He doesn't want to have to learn anything. | ||
| He doesn't want to have to... So is that the craziest part of this? | ||
| Because did you see about a week ago he was on this radio show? | ||
| He asked him the difference between Hamas and Hezbollah. | ||
| Anyone that knows anything about world politics, anything, you don't have to know a lot to know that these are very different groups. | ||
| One is in Gaza, one is in Lebanon, in Syria. | ||
| And he made it sound like it was a gotcha question. | ||
| But is that the genius of him? | ||
| He turns everything into, ah, you see what the media is doing to me? | ||
| Is that the real genius of this? | ||
| Not the genius thing of Donald Trump. | ||
| I mean, here's the thing. | ||
| I would think the average American doesn't know the difference between those two factions. | ||
| And it's complicated and everything's intertwined. | ||
| It's not a gotcha question. | ||
| Anyone who's running for office should know those answers. | ||
| And the fact that he can just keep going at it and going at it and not taking any responsibility for what he doesn't know, that's frightening. | ||
| And that people don't call him out more. | ||
| Right, so let's talk about the people that you mentioned, these people that are digging this, because I know you. | ||
| You rant and rave about politics all the time. | ||
| You hate the system, right? | ||
| I hate the system. | ||
| And what I think people are attracted to is that he's calling the system out on their bullshit. | ||
| So should we at least grant him that much that he has, you know, in the first debate when he said, well, I donated money to Hillary so she showed up to my wedding? | ||
| Like, we should give him a little credit on that kind of thing, right? | ||
| Yes, he gets a little credit on that, but you would say what the genius of Donald Trump is, is that the genius is that he knows how to appeal to people who are not geniuses. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Right, so he's not appealing to smart people, just like Ben Carson, right? | ||
| So Ben Carson also, but I respect Ben Carson more than I do Donald Trump, and I don't respect Ben Carson at all. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So there you go. | ||
| So Trump's in negative territory. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, I mean, so what he's doing is he's gaining more support, Ben Carson, ironically, with racists, but not gaining support with other neurosurgeons. | ||
| Isn't that interesting? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, right. | ||
| Well, first off, just Ben Carson real quick. | ||
| I mean, can a neurosurgeon not believe in evolution? | ||
| Wouldn't that be a warrant to take your license away? | ||
| The stuff that he says, he said a couple of weeks ago that the number one killer of African Americans are abortions. | ||
| And when he said that, I literally was like, are cops giving abortions now? | ||
| I mean, that's so crazy. | ||
| That is so insane. | ||
| So what do we do with this whole group? | ||
| I just said in the intro to this thing that I went to the GOP debate. | ||
| I talked to a couple of these guys. | ||
| I think Kasich is sort of a decent guy. | ||
| I think Marco Rubio is at least in the right line of work, even if I disagree with him on a lot of stuff. | ||
| What do you think about Trump's place in this? | ||
| It seems to me they all seem like children that can't get the attention of their dad. | ||
| You know, he seems to be dad that's getting all the attention and the kids can't. | ||
| Well, you know, let's go back to his supporters. | ||
| Donald Trump's, I mean... | ||
| They're—for instance, women are—it's like when he said Carly Fiorina's face, you can't have that face. | ||
| And then his poll numbers went up with women who hate themselves. | ||
| So that's really what's—and so—and a lot of people won't say—the mainstream news media won't call him racist. | ||
| They'll say his controversial comments on immigration, and they won't call him fascist, | ||
| which is exactly what—this is what it looks like, right? | ||
| So they're charismatic, they're popular, they demonize the immigrants and the people | ||
| with no money and no power as being the problem, right? | ||
| They're overly nativist, they're strong on military. | ||
| So he's got all those 14 hallmarks. | ||
| Misogyny is big in fascist regimes, right, and in their culture. | ||
| And he's pushing the misogynism, right? | ||
| I don't know if that's a word. | ||
| And uh... | ||
| So, it's amazing. | ||
| I'll say it here, and I say it on my show. | ||
| People go, well, how did Hitler happen? | ||
| Well, he gave a good speech. | ||
| He didn't have to appeal to that many people. | ||
| And that's exactly what Donald Trump is doing. | ||
| So this is just a show, right? | ||
| To me, this is the ultimate reality show. | ||
| At the end of the day, is that really what's happening here? | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| The only thing I want to say about when I watch Donald Trump is the makeup that he has on his face. | ||
| And I'm being completely serious. | ||
| He's had three baby mamas. | ||
| They are all gorgeous women that know how to apply makeup. | ||
| And the fact that he doesn't turn to his wife or one of the former baby mamas and go, do you think this is too much orange, too much white under the eyes, says to me, this is a person that doesn't give a shit about anyone else's opinion or doesn't care. | ||
| No, I'm serious. | ||
| I'm completely serious. | ||
| To me, as a silly woman that I am, I'm all like, there's something wrong with that guy that he can't turn to his woman and say, what do you think? | ||
| He's not going to be able to do that with any subject. | ||
| He can't turn to his woman because his women are anchor wives. | ||
| Last thought on him. | ||
| I mean, is there something really psychologically sort of void in someone that's answer to everything is, they love me and I'm going to show you why. | ||
| I look forward to Donald Trump's next speech where he calls another group of people rapists and then ends it with, but they love me. | ||
| But they love me. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| All right, so let's move on to the other one, the other big one, which is Hillary. | ||
| And to me, it seems like Hillary is running, I think, the worst campaign probably in modern history. | ||
| Forget the email thing and the, you know, inaccessibility of the press. | ||
| There seems to be just no sort of joy or humanity or sense of who she is or any of that stuff. | ||
| Are you guys with me on that? | ||
| What do you think about the campaign itself? | ||
| You are correct, Dave. | ||
| It is horrible. | ||
| At the beginning of the summer, she said that nobody stands up for progressive values stronger than she does. | ||
| And then just the other day, she said, hey, I'm a centrist. | ||
| She's bragging. | ||
| That's what's wrong with the country, you knucklehead, is that the center has moved to the right. | ||
| So now when you say you're a centrist, you're actually a Republican from the 90s. | ||
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Right. | |
| And that's the problem. | ||
| So, and that's why Bernie Sanders has such traction, and that's why she's doing such a bad job. | ||
| But I will say, the email thing, it just goes to prove you, because they just came out and said that there was, if you don't commit a crime, it will haunt you for the rest of your life. | ||
| Okay, so they've said, so I guess the State Department has said that she actually didn't send any classified emails. | ||
| I don't know what to believe at this point, but to me the whole thing is sort of nonsensical, because one day we're just going to have a point where I don't think necessarily that she's running a terrible campaign. | ||
| It could be a lot better. | ||
| their bad shit by just talking to people. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| So to make it about the emails itself is sort of... | ||
| It's the wound, not really what's the underlying problem. | ||
| I don't think necessarily that she's running a terrible campaign. | ||
| It could be a lot better. | ||
| I think when we were talking earlier in the green room and you were saying, "What does | ||
| she stand for?" | ||
| I thought that was a great point, because no one knows what does she specifically stand | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| We know, yeah, you're a Democrat. | ||
| But how is that possible? | ||
| Name one thing where you were like, what is Hillary like? | ||
| You can't name one thing that she likes. | ||
| So I think you generally, you basically like her, right? | ||
| I do like, and I was telling him earlier, I have a picture from a gig 15 years ago of Hillary and me in the backstage, and I'm like, I just want her to be president for that picture. | ||
| I mean, that's a funny answer to the seriousness of the question. | ||
| The thing is, she's had so much bad news over the past two or three months on headlines about Benghazi all the time, about those emails, and it's just insane how much people in America don't want establishment candidates. | ||
| And that's the problem with her, is she's too establishment. | ||
| You know, that's why Donald Trump is doing good. | ||
| That's why Bernie Sanders is doing good. | ||
| People want something different. | ||
| Yeah, so I want to get to Bernie in a sec, but I think you hit on something with the establishment and the media. | ||
| It seems to me that the media loves Trump because of what we said earlier, this off-the-prompter thing. | ||
| Hillary is completely scripted. | ||
| And I also think the media is sort of digging the fact that Hillary's been around for so long and she's always had this back and forth with the media. | ||
| And I think they love just attacking her. | ||
| That in no way is a defense of her. | ||
| But how much is just that the media just loves a narrative and now it's like, we're going to take down this woman? | ||
| Yes, that is exactly what, you know, not that I want to defend Hillary Clinton, but, you know, you have to in this situation because the New York Times has had like a frickin' vendetta against her over these, and there was nothing, by the way, you talk about email, Hank Paulson, who was the Secretary of the Treasury when everything went belly up, right, when the whole thing cratered, He never even used emails. | ||
| Right, and that's my point. | ||
| He didn't even use email. | ||
| So that's what your point is, is like, well, let's make a bigger deal out of her emails, and no one will put anything in an email that's important. | ||
| Right, and by the way, we know that even when you lie under oath, we've talked about this a thousand times, like James Clapper, who was the head of the CIA, and they asked him, are we, you know, doing this mass data collection? | ||
| And he said, not wittingly, as he was scratching the top of his head, because that's where you scratch when you're in your big lie. | ||
| So we know that even when you lie, right, they're not going to really do anything to you. | ||
| That makes me laugh because Pottery Barn does mass data collection, you know what I mean? | ||
| Everybody does. | ||
| They know what you have in your kitchen. | ||
| They do know what I have in my kitchen. | ||
| Alright, so let's move on to Bernie because this is the one that I think we should be talking about more, and I've been trying to talk about him more. | ||
| I think he's talking about the right things. | ||
| Income inequality, which is a huge problem. | ||
| He's talking about money in politics, which nobody's talking about. | ||
| As I told you guys earlier, I went to the GOP debate. | ||
| I literally think I might have been the only person that asked anyone in that room about money in politics. | ||
| I asked Scott Walker. | ||
| He went out of the race two days later. | ||
| I mean, that tells you something. | ||
| So that goes back to your earlier question about Donald Trump deserves credit for bringing up this issue. | ||
| Yes, he does expose the cravenness and the emptiness of the political process, right? | ||
| Or the, I don't know, the complete corruption of the political process. | ||
| But then no reporter ever says, hey, what's your plan to fix that? | ||
| Nobody ever says, hey that was great the way you showed everybody, how you buy all these guys on stage, what's your plan to fix that? | ||
| Right. | ||
| So he's also at the same time revealing the corruption in the political process, he's revealing the corruption in the news media, right? | ||
| So the news media, Chuck Todd had him on and he asked him the Muslim question, right? | ||
| And he started out, this was just Sunday, and he said, you know, you say that you don't have to respond to everybody who says something, and I agree with you on that. | ||
| That's how he started his question. | ||
| So Chuck Todd just interviewed Donald Trump after the biggest gaffe that you could ever imagine, right? | ||
| Some guy says, let's round up Muslims. | ||
| And by the way, the president's a Muslim, and Trump says yes to both of them. | ||
| Chuck Todd, the number one political reporter in America, has him on his show. | ||
| Doesn't lay a fucking glove on him. | ||
| Yeah, you can curse at him. | ||
| Doesn't lay a glove on him! | ||
| And then he's like, well, thanks for having me. | ||
| And then Donald Trump says, hey, it was a pleasure. | ||
| And do you know what Chuck Todd says? | ||
| You bet. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's what he says. | ||
| So that's what's wrong with the... And you go, why do we have the biggest income disparity since the Gilded Age? | ||
| Why do we only have five major media corporations in America when there used to be 50 in 1980? | ||
| Why can't we get this straight? | ||
| Why does it, when we nationalize the banks, nobody calls it that? | ||
| And that's because they're all bought and paid for by the same people. | ||
| Read Manufacturing Consent. | ||
| Alright, so I think your answer, the original question was what about Bernie, and I think you got there in a long way because he is talking about those things. | ||
| So basically, do you think that the media just has a vested interest in really not showing him? | ||
| So for example, the other day, Bernie and Trump were both giving speeches at the same time, and even MSNBC, which you'd think would be—you know, they're supposed to lean forward, or I guess they did until two months ago. | ||
| Now they lean backwards, I'm not sure. | ||
| But even they were covering Trump instead of covering Bernie. | ||
| So can an outsider like Bernie ever really win? | ||
| If he is a little bit more fun. | ||
| That's seriously the answer. | ||
| People love Trump because he's fun. | ||
| You can make fun of him. | ||
| It doesn't hurt his feelings. | ||
| And he's out of the box. | ||
| But when it comes to Bernie, they're going to have to start putting him on the Tonight Show drinking wine with... | ||
| Well, I saw he did a promo for the Nightly Show and he said, on fleek. | ||
| Which, if you've ever heard Bernie Sanders say, on fleek, it was actually pretty funny. | ||
| But yes, so how much of that is it? | ||
| That he's the outsider guy, so he should be getting the Obama, the first time Obama went around, he should be getting that excitement. | ||
| But Bernie himself, he's a 70-something year old white guy from Vermont. | ||
| He's not that exciting. | ||
| You should shave the sides. | ||
| But really, how much is just that, that maybe his personality, sadly, in 2015 in America, that his personality doesn't match up in the way we want to vote for somebody, the way his rhetoric, which I think a lot of people agree with. | ||
| You know, it's funny that he's the big outsider on the left and Trump is the big outsider on the right, and one of them spends zero time on their hair, and one of them spends all day long on their hair. | ||
| I would like to ask Donald Trump, does he have a long-form birth certificate for that fucking hair piece? | ||
| Anyway, so... That thing definitely was not born in America. | ||
| No. | ||
| But the thing you talk about, you know, so even MSNBC wasn't covering Bernie, right? | ||
| Well, it's because MSNBC is not a liberal corporation. | ||
| They're a corporation, by the way, through the whole Iraq War, MSNBC was owned by General Electric, which is a huge defense contractor. | ||
| So the lefties were left getting their anti-war message from a fucking defense contractor. | ||
| Which is why they fired Phil Donahue because he was against the war and they kept Chris Matthews. | ||
| And then they also just fired Ed Schultz because he's against the T.P.T. | ||
| and Comcast is all for the T.P.T. | ||
| So I always said this, they're not liberal. | ||
| As soon as Rachel Maddow says something that costs Comcast money, they will fire her. | ||
| And it's just an embarrassment to her that they haven't. | ||
| Well for the record, Ora has told me I can say anything I want. | ||
| Oh, fantastic. | ||
| So that's pretty good. | ||
| That's pretty good. | ||
| I mean, it should be an embarrassment to them. | ||
| And if you watch the channel like I do, you see that they're corporatists. | ||
| They're not—especially Chris Hayes. | ||
| He couldn't be worse. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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All right. | |
| So my last thought on this is, does he have any chance? | ||
| Does Bernie have any chance? | ||
| My feeling is no, unfortunately. | ||
| And I know people are going to give me shit for saying that, because they'll say to me, if you say no, that causes people to get Yes. | ||
| ...press about it and then they're not going to vote. | ||
| I just, unfortunately, I think that it's very clear to me that the party is going to, not | ||
| going to back him. | ||
| They simply will not back him. | ||
| And that's why people are talking about Biden, because I think Hillary probably will flame | ||
| out and they're going to go with Biden. | ||
| And it's like, you guys are the big party. | ||
| It's supposed to be... | ||
| He already lost twice. | ||
| ...for minorities and women and everything else. | ||
| And we're going to pick the VP, who's just another old white guy? | ||
| But why don't they embrace Bernie? | ||
| Is it because he isn't independent and he railed so hard against both Democrats and Republicans? | ||
| I think they genuinely think he won't win. | ||
| I think they think he can't, that a liberal, someone that far on the left from the Northeast just can't win the middle of the country. | ||
| Bring us home. | ||
| No, I think the reason why the Democratic Party hasn't rallied around Bernie is because he's not in bed with the big money donors. | ||
| And so the Democratic Party no longer responds to their voters, they only respond to their donors. | ||
| And so their donors are telling them, get rid of this guy. | ||
| Right? | ||
| We gotta get rid of that guy somehow. | ||
| They don't want—the donors want nothing to do with Bernie because they can't control him, just like the donors don't want anything to do with Donald Trump because they can't control him. | ||
| So in that sense, they're very much alike, and that's exactly what's happening. | ||
| We do live in a banana republic where we don't really have a responsive government. | ||
| I mean, the Sandy Hook taught us anything. | ||
| Ninety percent of the people in America wanted some kind of gun legislation, and we didn't get it. | ||
| So no longer do our representatives represent our interests. | ||
| They only represent the donors. | ||
| And that's why Bernie's winning, and that's why he gets 30,000 people Until when he shows up to speak. | ||
| That's how you end a segment. | ||
| All right, so how do you guys think we can make the debates better? | ||
| Because I've watched both of them. | ||
| As I said, I went to the last one. | ||
| I tweeted on the first debate that technically these things have not even been debates. | ||
| A debate is where they present an idea and then two or more people go back and forth on these same ideas. | ||
| But basically what we've seen is moderators ask people questions catered to them so that they can talk about their thing. | ||
| So for example, Jake Tapper would focus with Lindsey Graham on foreign policy, because | ||
| he's a foreign policy guy, right? | ||
| That's not a debate, that's just sort of lobbing up softball. | ||
| So what do you think we can do to make these things better? | ||
| I'm back to let's make it fun and entertaining and do it like The Voice. | ||
| Canada comes on, he has three minutes to talk, everyone, Wolf Blitzer, they all have their back to him, and as soon as he says one thing that they like, they turn around and he's in. | ||
| That's actually not, so you mask the voices, right? | ||
| Because otherwise they'll know. | ||
| That's true, that's true. | ||
| That's not the worst idea I've ever heard. | ||
| I'm just saying. | ||
| Uh, the last debate, which was on CNN, was fantastic because instead of getting a journalist to moderate it, they hired Eddie Haskell. | ||
| He just kept trying to get everybody to pick fights with each other. | ||
| Now Donald Trump said that you were ugly. | ||
| What do you want to say to him? | ||
| So you're not a Jake Tapper guy, is that what you're telling me? | ||
| No. | ||
| That was probably the worst. | ||
| By the way, Jake Tapper, he just announced that they're going to start doing fact checking of politicians with factcheck.org because apparently at CNN they don't know how to do that so they had to hire an outside organization to teach them how to fact check. | ||
| at CNN. Nobody on Jake Tapper's staff really knows what they're doing. | ||
| So what that is and why there was no real questions and why there was no | ||
| follow-up, there was no Candy Crowley moment at this debate where they | ||
| corrected Carly Fiorina for being a crazy person and saying blatant lies | ||
| about Planned Parenthood. The reason they don't do that is because they | ||
| don't want to alienate any of the viewers that like these people. So what | ||
| they'll do is they say, "Hey, Jeb Bush said this, Donald Trump said that, what do | ||
| you want to say to him?" Instead of saying, "Hey, the facts are this and you said this." | ||
| How do you... They don't do that. So they're not doing journalism, they're doing | ||
| Eddie Haskell-ism and they're trying to get people to pick fights with each other. | ||
| I do agree with you, but on the other hand, that question needed to be asked to Carly Fiorina. | ||
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The question? | |
| About the face thing. | ||
| That needed to be asked. | ||
| Oh, okay, yes. | ||
| You know, about Trump saying, you know, calling her out on her looks or whatever. | ||
| I mean, that is so terrible that it needed to be asked. | ||
| Right, so I agree with you. | ||
| It had to be addressed because it was just another absurdly misogynistic thing that Trump did. | ||
| But interestingly, doesn't that then get more of the play the next day than anything that might be more important, such as foreign policy or immigration? | ||
| I mean, really, can you think of any headline the next day that was related to policy? | ||
| I'm sorry, those are important things, but it's important how a person who is running for president is treating the women of this country. | ||
| Yeah, I totally agree. | ||
| That's just as important. | ||
| I totally agree. | ||
| And the GOP did make it clear that they welcome all women into the GOP, even the ones who make Donald Trump wins. | ||
| All right, so we haven't had a Democratic debate yet. | ||
| We have one in a couple weeks in Vegas. | ||
| As I said in our Bernie segment, you know, the Democrats are supposed to be the big party. | ||
| That's what everyone says. | ||
| They're supposed to be the big party. | ||
| But they've really only got two people running, for all intents and purposes, right? | ||
| Hillary and Bernie. | ||
| And then there's Jim Webb and O'Malley. | ||
| But it's really only two people that anyone's talking about. | ||
| Should we give the Republicans a little credit for at least they have 20 clowns in their clown car, while in the Democratic clown car there's really only two people? | ||
| Well, Martin O'Malley did come out last week with a bold proposal. | ||
| He said, raise the age of gun ownership to 21 years old. | ||
| And everybody responded by saying, who the fuck is Martin O'Malley? | ||
| But that's my point. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I'm going to call something crazy here. | ||
| I think that that guy who's polling at negative 60, that nobody knows who he is, I think he has a little bit of a chance. | ||
| Because I think they're all going to get equal footing, and people are so sick of Hillary. | ||
| Yeah, and I think he's a good-looking, middle-aged guy, and I think he's a pretty decent guy, and I think people are suddenly going to go, who the hell is this guy? | ||
| The irony is that it was Howard Dean whose idea was to limit the number of Democratic debates, because he saw what happened with all the Republican debates last time, and how they ate each other, and how it was just a clown show, and so he didn't want that to happen with the Democrats, so they made them limit them. | ||
| But now we realize, hey, there's actually going to be a real debate now, so maybe we should do more of these, because this is just Free advertising for the Republican Party, and we're not getting any for the Democrats, and people still don't know who Bernie Sanders is. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So what can we do? | ||
| Look, the election is over a year away, right? | ||
| What can we do to make these debates better? | ||
| As the people, do we have to demand that they have to be done on PBS? | ||
| I mean, they were done. | ||
| I don't know if there's going to be any this upcoming year, but four years ago, some of them were done on PBS. | ||
| I mean, something. | ||
| How do we get it out of the gotcha thing, out of the does Carly have a wrinkle? | ||
| Right, I don't know what the answer for that is. | ||
| I mean, it is going to be interesting to finally see Bernie and Hillary go at it, you know, but how do you make it more interesting? | ||
| Maybe you need to have someone like at the Oscars who did the little clips always beforehand, you know what I mean? | ||
| Right, have Billy Crystal come in. | ||
| Right, I don't know. | ||
| I mean, what do you— Well, it used to be that the League of Women Voters used to organize debates, and other people used to—and then they got smart, and they were like, hey, we can't let other people choose the people who are going to ask us questions. | ||
| We want to control everything. | ||
| So they created this presidential commission on debates, and now there isn't any more League of Women—so it's all them controlling everything, which is why they suck. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So somebody has to stand up, like maybe women, or some other big organization, and say, hey, we want to have our own debate. | ||
| Like the NAACP members, say, hey, we're going to have our own debate at our thing, and we're inviting people, and then it'll be telling who doesn't show up. | ||
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| So that's the way they should do it. | ||
| Unfortunately, we know that the parties won't back that. | ||
| They won't. | ||
| But Bernie Sanders will show up. | ||
| Bernie will show up and he'll do it alone, but maybe that would be good. | ||
| All right, so let's move on to what I think was the big elephant in the room, or unfortunately not in the room. | ||
| Jimmy Dore, a giant elephant. | ||
| The money in politics thing. | ||
| It seems pretty obvious to me that we have a couple real issues in America right now. | ||
| The money in politics that's ruining our political system. | ||
| We've got political correctness run amok. | ||
| But nobody talked about money in politics. | ||
| As I said before, I think I might have been the only person to ask him a question on this. | ||
| Why do we not talk? | ||
| We did talk about it. | ||
| Wasn't there a McCain-Feingold thing 15 years ago? | ||
| We used to sort of talk about it every now and again. | ||
| Nobody talks about it now, right? | ||
| Nobody wants to talk about it. | ||
| I don't understand how we allow people to run for president as a candidate when they still owe money from the last time they tried to run. | ||
| Literally. | ||
| I think Hillary might be in debt still from the previous thing. | ||
| I feel like if you owe money from the last time you didn't get elected, done. | ||
| You can't run this time until you've paid everybody off. | ||
| It is striking and outrageous that people don't mention it or talk about it. | ||
| I think it's terrible. | ||
| I mean, that's the only answer. | ||
| I mean, how do you fix that, though? | ||
| How do you fix that? | ||
| Well, I did notice that when I asked some of the campaign people this, and even when I asked Scott Walker, they just link a couple words together to make a sentence, and then you move on. | ||
| Because they know they're not going to be asked this, and they know no one cares. | ||
| That's what I really realized. | ||
| That when I asked them that, there was a sense of, ah, that stupid question, like, nobody cares about that. | ||
| Ask me the gotcha question. | ||
| You know? | ||
| So what do we do about that? | ||
| You know, wolf-pac.com, Dave. | ||
| That's the organization I'm a part of that helps get money out of politics. | ||
| And what you have to do is you have to pass a constitutional amendment, right, to get money out of politics. | ||
| Hillary Clinton, by the way, said she's in favor of it. | ||
| So that's good to hear. | ||
| Also, the Senate also, the United States Congress, also passed a resolution to open debate on this. | ||
| So that's a good thing. | ||
| And three states, since we've been trying to push this, have already passed it, California being one of them, Illinois, and I think we have New Hampshire and Vermont. | ||
| That's what you need to do. | ||
| You need to get the states—you have to go out—because the state level, they have much less control, for whatever reason, on the state capital. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So we can make an—so that's my big solution. | ||
| We have to get money. | ||
| And you can't fix anything. | ||
| Why are we still debating climate change? | ||
| Because of big money. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Why are we still debating, should we drill in the Arctic? | ||
| Because of big money. | ||
| Why are we still bombing nonstop for 30 years in the Middle East? | ||
| Big money. | ||
| So is that—so that's really the crux of it, that the reason we can't get the public to be ginned up enough to care is because they're | ||
| getting their information from the very people who are paying for the operation to | ||
| keep them dumb. | ||
| The criminals bought the watchdog, right? | ||
| The watchdog used to be Walter Cronkite and 60 Minutes, and then they got smart and they | ||
| said, "Hey, let's just buy them." | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they bought them, and so now the guys who are working for the people are supposed | ||
| to be exposing. | ||
| They're literally working for them. | ||
| So that's how you go, "Well, how do we get it in an Iraq war that lasted?" | ||
| That's how you get it, because the people are working for the defense contractors. | ||
| They're supposed to be exposing defense contractors, and they're not. | ||
| That's what's wrong. | ||
| Do you think there's a reality where it'll ever turn around? | ||
| Yes, I think if we get money out of politics. | ||
| And so it happened before, right? | ||
| So Teddy Roosevelt came along and he did the anti-trust legislation, right? | ||
| They used to call them trusts back then because they would take... Anyway, that was the... So now that's what we need. | ||
| We need him and then we need FDR. | ||
| FDR stood up and said, never before in the history of America has the moneyed people been more organized in their hatred for one candidate. | ||
| And I welcome their hatred. | ||
| Could you imagine? | ||
| Can you imagine anyone saying that now? | ||
| Anyone saying that today besides Bernie Sanders. | ||
| Right, so I had a little inspiration from you first, because it sounded like it could happen, but then I just thought, well, if we get Hillary as president, or let's say we get Jeb Bush, I'm pretty sure they're not making that speech. | ||
| I think we're going to have a revolution if that happens. | ||
| We may well have a revolution. | ||
| I'm going to buy a gun. | ||
| Let's talk about religion in politics, because that's the other big one. | ||
| And look, a guy, Mike Huckabee's up there. | ||
| This is a guy that the week before was defending Kim Davis. | ||
| Everyone knows about Kim Davis and not giving the marriage licenses to gay people. | ||
| And Mike Huckabee actually defended her by saying you shouldn't, you know, partake in a law that you don't believe is moral. | ||
| That is the most ridiculous anti-American thing you could possibly do. | ||
| It shows a profound lack of understanding of How government works at our Constitution and all that. | ||
| But there's him, there's Cruz, there's Santorum, and even now Ben Carson. | ||
| What do we do about this conversation? | ||
| Religion should have nothing. | ||
| We have separation of church and state, I think. | ||
| What do we do about this? | ||
| Well, I was googling this topic matter earlier and I saw that the Boy Scouts don't allow atheists In the Boy Scouts, right? | ||
| And I was thinking, it's—people don't want to trust other people who aren't religious or can pretend to be religious, you know, with decisions that are going to impact them. | ||
| I kind of get it. | ||
| But on the other hand, have you ever been around... I have aunts that are so religious, they are evil. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Have you ever been around people like that? | ||
| I went to Catholic school. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| That's what you mean. | ||
| And when I look at the Republican spectrum out there, the candidates, I'm like, oh my God, these people are evil. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| If you have blinders like this about religious and how everyone has to follow the same religion or the same thing that you're doing, I mean, that is just as bad as someone who has a void of it. | ||
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It's just as bad as those horrible atheists who don't want to hurt anyone. | |
| I want people to live with secular values. | ||
| I know, it's just as equally horrible. | ||
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| But is this the irony of Republicans that they say they want small government, right? | ||
| Yes! | ||
| They say they want small government and then at the same time they keep jamming Jesus in everyone. | ||
| Did you read my notes? | ||
| I didn't look. | ||
| There's even notes, yeah. | ||
| Because you said your question is how do we get religion out of government and my whole thing is they should be made to go to a, religious people should have to take an irony class. | ||
| We have Kim Davis, who's thrice divorced, making a religious stand for the sanctity of marriage. | ||
| And now the Oath Keepers have promised to defend her if they want to lock her up again. | ||
| She's so grateful, she promised to marry three or four of them. | ||
| And then they played that song, right? | ||
| Eye of the Tiger. | ||
| And so when she came out, and she got in trouble for that because Survivor doesn't want to use that song, but she said she liked that song so much, she's going to play it at her next three weddings. | ||
| The point is, Dave, I have a lot of these jokes. | ||
| Yes, I gotcha. | ||
| She ruined Rocky for me. | ||
| But what about Huckabee? | ||
| This is proof that he's not running for president, and he's running to run the Christian right. | ||
| And I wish people would just say that. | ||
| I wish almost he could say that. | ||
| He could say, you know what, I'm up on this stage because I do control, or at least want to control a portion, I think you're very perceptive, Dave. | ||
| controlling it. And then we can be honest about it and then he would disappear | ||
| when he gets, when the primaries go further. But he's not really running for | ||
| president, right? Isn't he running to own that degree of power? I think you're | ||
| very perceptive, Dave, which is I think why you have your own show. Once in a while I go. | ||
| And yes, that is exactly what he's doing. | ||
| He's running to get speaking fees. | ||
| He's running to be the biggest Christian on stage. | ||
| So now whoever does become president, he's like the Billy Graham. | ||
| They have to come through him to get to the religious right that they're going to need. | ||
| So it's all that. | ||
| He's the biggest charlatan of all of them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because at least Donald Trump, who is a big asshole, won't take that extra step of putting the cross on his sleeve, like Huckabee was. | ||
| And Huckabee's complete phony. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And Trump—not that I ever want to defend Trump, but you know, they asked Trump about the gay marriage thing, and he said, look, the Supreme Court made a decision. | ||
| I would have to abide by the Supreme Court. | ||
| That shows a better understanding of how government works than Santorum or Huckabee, who want you to just pick which laws. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I think we could all just pick, well, I'm not going to pay taxes. | ||
| Morally, I don't think I should have to. | ||
| Yeah, separate but equal, so that means we can just ignore it. | ||
| No, that's not what that means. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But I do like what you're saying about he's running to get speaking engagements. | ||
| But then the reality is, how much money is he spending to try to run for president versus how much he would actually ever make as a speaker? | ||
| Well, he's not spending his own money. | ||
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| So he's not, yeah. | ||
| It's not his, and ultimately it's not about the speaking money per se, as much as just the influence, that he will just run the Christian right, like be the next Billy Graham or something. | ||
| But I want to back up to something that you said earlier about this atheist thing, because the first two episodes of the show we had Sam Harris, who's probably the most outspoken atheist that I know. | ||
| One of my all-time favorite atheists. | ||
| I love them. | ||
| And Cara Santa Maria, also an atheist. | ||
| And we talked a little bit about atheists in politics, and every poll shows that people would never vote for an atheist, people hate atheists. | ||
| Why are we so afraid of secularism? | ||
| I think this is sort of what you were saying before, but why are we afraid of people that would base their decisions on the law of the land and not The imaginary, yeah. | ||
| I think it's because everyone has this, like, ultimate fantasy of the president. | ||
| You get to be president. | ||
| Something terrible goes down somewhere. | ||
| He has his finger on the button, right? | ||
| Like, what's going to happen? | ||
| You want to know that your president is going to be in that dark space in his room before he has to make some terrible decision, like, dear God. | ||
| You want the comfort of knowing it's a whole facade, it's a fake, but you want that, you know what I mean? | ||
| You don't want someone that's just like, and this is the line, the column of good things that'll happen, this is the column of bad things. | ||
| I think because people want to be able to hang hope on a president. | ||
| And as weird as it sounds, I think what atheists, you don't hang hope on, you know? | ||
| I'm sorry, I'm sorry. | ||
| It's okay. | ||
| I think it's the same thing with gay people. | ||
| People were against gay marriage until they knew a gay person. | ||
| And I think people are afraid of atheists until they know an atheist. | ||
| Yeah, I was against gay marriage until I got gay married. | ||
| Now I'm okay with it. | ||
| But, what do you think about, that's what I really think it is. | ||
| People just don't know atheists. | ||
| And they think, well, in fact, they kind of equate them with devil worshippers. | ||
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| You know, it's like, no, there's no worshipping. | ||
| There's nothing. | ||
| Which is exactly what I've been saying on the show repeatedly now. | ||
| The atheists have to come out. | ||
| I think the atheist movement... We should do that. | ||
| The most important thing that gay people ever did was come out, and I think that that's what's next for atheism. | ||
| Maybe we should start calling ourselves something else. | ||
| Like, I like the term non-theist. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| It sounds better. | ||
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| It's like, I'm not into this shit. | ||
| Right, but don't you hate that you'd even have to associate with the term? | ||
| Doesn't that in itself, it's like when you're in the club and what club would want me kind of thing? | ||
| Yes, and I don't agree that there's such a thing as militant atheism. | ||
| I don't agree. | ||
| That's like saying you're a militant logical person. | ||
| Yes, I will apply logic like Spock to every situation. | ||
| Right, you know all these atheists that are getting rallies together to hurt people. | ||
| It's just not happening. | ||
| Alright, well that's a perfect segue to the next thing I want to talk about, which is the PC culture that we seem to live in. | ||
| So I have two comedians. | ||
| This is our job, more than anything else, is to get to that line and figure out where it is and push it, maybe cross it every now and again. | ||
| I think we live in a very bizarre time where we have trigger warnings now. | ||
| And these social justice warriors. | ||
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| And every time anyone says anything about, you say something about women they don't like, now you hate women. | ||
| You say something about any minority you don't like, or you say anything about gay people, you automatically hate all of them. | ||
| That we automatically jump to the conclusion that it's based in racism or xenophobia. | ||
| Especially for comedians, this is a seriously dangerous slope, right? | ||
| You know who's the worst with that? | ||
| The Puerto Ricans. | ||
| Oh, you're in trouble now. | ||
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| If you watch. | ||
| No, I totally agree. | ||
| I'm just honest. | ||
| Yeah, you're in trouble. | ||
| I don't think it's so much about PC culture. | ||
| I just think everyone has a knee-jerk reaction. | ||
| People are like this now. | ||
| Why are people like this now? | ||
| Everyone is so angry. | ||
| And no one just wants to enjoy jokes or have fun anymore. | ||
| Everything has to be a purpose. | ||
| Like now they have the new normal Barbie. | ||
| It's a Barbie doll that has stretch marks and pimples. | ||
| A normal Barbie. | ||
| Who wants that? | ||
| Right. | ||
| I just, you know, why can't people just have toys and not read in a million things? | ||
| Why does everything have to have 100% purpose or, you know what I mean, be without any humor anymore? | ||
| Don't you think that actually takes something very special away from childhood? | ||
| That, you know, I played with G.I. | ||
| Joe or He-Man or Transformers and the imagination I got to use my imagination to make up this world and, you know, figure out things that I thought and whatever, where now you're going to make everything so realistic for these kids and aware them of every fear and everything that might upset them that you're going to send a bunch of robots—and by the way, they're drugged, right? | ||
| They're all on every drug known to man because of, you know, whatever—that we're going to send them out into a world drugged and afraid of everything. | ||
| That's a pretty dangerous combination, right? | ||
| You know, getting back to the PC thing, you are correct that some people are too knee-jerk and cry racism or whatever, anti-Semitism, but there are, there is racism. | ||
| Oh, sure. | ||
| And there is, so that's the thing, that's where it's like murky, right? | ||
| So you're like, well, I don't want to get into a point where we just shout. | ||
| So now, because the right wing does a thing where they shout, every time there actually is racism, they go, oh, you're just too PC. | ||
| No, that's not being too PC. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So that, for example, that would be when the right will say that Christians are actually the most under attack in America, which is, of course, completely insane. | ||
| When are the Christians going to have their day in America, Dave? | ||
| Someday they're going to have a guy maybe in the White House to run things. | ||
| Yes, you know, the thing that Jerry Seinfeld, right, so that came up with, he was complaining about PC culture on campus. | ||
| I haven't been in colleges in a year, but I, I mean in a couple of years, but I noticed when I used to play colleges that the higher the tuition, the more freedom I got to say whatever I wanted. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| Yeah, so the lower the tuition, you know, I don't know, the dumber the kids or whatever, I don't know. | ||
| I went to a shitty school. | ||
| That's very politically incorrect. | ||
| I know, that's politically incorrect. | ||
| So I went to a shitty school and I'm a dumb guy so I can say that. | ||
| And, uh, don't look up where I went. | ||
| I went to Yale. | ||
| The point is, it sucked. | ||
| George Bush went there. | ||
| That whole thing, Trigger War, yes. | ||
| Of course, yes, there's going to be someone who reads something and it's going to fuck them up. | ||
| But you can't pass a law about it. | ||
| That's their own problem they have to deal with. | ||
| When I hear car horns, I freak out. | ||
| I can't pass a law that says nobody can beep their horn anymore. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So is the bigger fear... I used to fear that the First Amendment would disappear, that the government would take our free speech. | ||
| But what I'm starting to fear now, although I am no big fan of the government in any capacity, what I'm starting to fear now is that ultimately we're just going to take our freedoms away. | ||
| We're going to get so afraid of saying anything. | ||
| And I see this happen all the time now. | ||
| I get emails, not that I'm the most politically incorrect person there is, but I get emails now, people saying that I'm saying things that they wish they could say, and it seems to me that people are censoring themselves already, so I fear that. | ||
| I fear the self-censorship because of all this, more than I fear that the government's going to come in and take away our right to free speech. | ||
| Where do you fall on that? | ||
| All I want to say is I was just working Vegas last week and there was one set where I was having, it was a little, the crowd was tight and a guy was sitting with his arms crossed and I, for 15 years, have always said, oh, you know, are your nipples cold, do you want to let them go? | ||
| Or, you know, three guys sitting, you guys, where's your girls and all that. | ||
| Where that, you know, that is totally hacky but it kind of gets the crowd, you know, going when you're in the mood. | ||
| But now people don't buy into those jokes. | ||
| And it was a realization of, wow, people really are PC, but it's a good thing. | ||
| Like, so I think there is a legitimate reason to be PC. | ||
| We're growing as people, and there are things we don't accept anymore. | ||
| We don't accept racism anymore. | ||
| We don't accept making jokes about gays anymore. | ||
| And that's a good thing. | ||
| I think the comedians that say, "Oh, it's too PC, too PC," | ||
| they might be correct. | ||
| But in other words, maybe you need to change too. | ||
| Maybe the comedians need to change. | ||
| There's an idea. | ||
| That's interesting because Sarah Silverman said something to that effect this week in an interview and I think she was directing it at Seinfeld because Seinfeld basically was saying, you know, I used to make this gay joke about a French king and his loose, you know, his hand like this and now they think it's too offensive. | ||
| But I would always veer on this, I don't know, to call Seinfeld politically incorrect, I don't know what he thinks about anything. | ||
| Me neither. | ||
| Do you know what Jerry Seinfeld thinks about anything? | ||
| Did you hear what he said about that cotton ball? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Alright, so my final thought. | ||
| Can I say one final thought about this? | ||
| Because there comes a time, right, like so now we've come a long way with how gay people are treated in our society in a positive way, but there's guys who were born at a certain age, like Alec Baldwin, they grew up using gay terms as slurs and insults. | ||
| And then when that lizard brain gets activated when you're angry at someone, those things come up, right? | ||
| And so Alec Baldwin got in trouble for calling a guy a cock-sucking faggot, right? | ||
| He said he called him a cock-sucking fathead. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because apparently cocksucker is gender neutral. | ||
| And no one swears like that. | ||
| Nobody says a four dollar swear word and then follows it up with a cartoon swear word. | ||
| Nobody goes, oh you motherfucking fart snarkle. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So should we give those people a little bit of a leash then? | ||
| If you grew up in that? | ||
| Especially if he apologizes or lies about it like Alan Baldwin did. | ||
| No, if he apologizes. | ||
| Look, my dad said racist things when I was growing up. | ||
| My dad would never do it now. | ||
| Is your dad Bull Connor? | ||
| No, he's not. | ||
| But when I was growing up as a 27-year-old man or a 30-year-old man, he said stuff and my brother and me would be like, darn. | ||
| And now he would never do that because everyone grows at a different rate. | ||
| You know, people are learning at different ages and, you know. | ||
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| They should apologize at least though. | ||
| So I thought that the right way to end something with comedians would be to talk about counterculture a little bit. | ||
| Because counterculture is what stand-up grew out of, right? | ||
| It used to be cool to fight the system. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And I feel like it's not cool to fight the system anymore. | ||
| You're thought of as crazy or something or something. | ||
| I think it has a lot to do with that most comics are liberal. | ||
| Most comics really, at least at the beginning, really liked Obama. | ||
| So everybody would say, ah, it's tough to make jokes about this guy because he's rational and speaks clearly and he's not making all the grammatical errors that Bush was making. | ||
| Now it's changed and I think people don't necessarily like Obama as much or at least people on the left that feel that he's Bin more right-wing. | ||
| I think certainly that's what you think. | ||
| But we don't have a real counterculture anymore. | ||
| Do we need a Republican in office to have a true counterculture? | ||
| Would that actually help the country? | ||
| To have someone that I believe in nothing that they actually stand for. | ||
| The argument? | ||
| Well, the argument has been made that Barack Obama, being the head of the government right now, splits the opposition. | ||
| So we should be opposing him about the indefinite detention, TPP, all that stuff. | ||
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Syria war with no congressional authorization, Libya. | |
| Everything! | ||
| You and I are on the same page on this. | ||
| So what, by Barack Obama being the head of the government, he splits the opposition because half the people are loyal to him, and then the other half, the people are telling the truth or wanting to push back and protest against, you know, a tyrannical government or bullshit that they see in the government, and so it doesn't happen. | ||
| That's exactly what's happening, and that is what happened, and that's why there is no counterculture. | ||
| Good of you to pick up on it. | ||
| I get a couple. | ||
| Every episode, I get one or two. | ||
| Yeah, bring us on, bring us on. | ||
| Well, I was watching Bill Maher the other night, and he was, of course, making fun of Republicans, and George Pataki was on there. | ||
| And it's gotten to the point where, yeah, you want to have one Republican in the mix when you're talking politics and doing the counterculture thing, all that. | ||
| But even George Pataki's like, well, my party. | ||
| And it's just an indication of we've just all moved. | ||
| To the right. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So maybe we do need a Republican office to wake up the people to actually realize what's important. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| And it would at least be good for comedians. | ||
| Alright, on that note, I want to thank Felicia Michaels, Jimmy Dore. | ||
| You can follow them on Twitter and YouTube and websites. | ||
| They got all that stuff and we're going to put some of it right beneath you. | ||
| And Jimmy's got a book! | ||
| It's called Your Country's Just Not That Into You. | ||
| Available where all books are sold everywhere. | ||
| There you go. |
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