Daniel McAdams and Dr. Paul critique ICE’s escalating border enforcement, citing a Politico poll showing 49% of voters—including 33% of Trump supporters—oppose aggressive deportation policies, preferring focus on serious criminals over mass raids. They highlight $5K gold prices, $10 silver spikes, and economic instability as backdrop to declining trust in claims by Christy Noem, Kash Patel, Stephen Miller, and others about incidents like Alex Pretty’s protest, where videos contradicted official narratives. Border violence surged, including an ICE agent injuring a woman’s hand, while Dr. Paul warns of police-state risks and First Amendment erosion, framing immigration as a property rights violation. Despite falling U.S. birth rates, their debate suggests freedom—not government control—may still resonate as a solution to societal fractures. [Automatically generated summary]
Hello, everybody, and thank you for tuning in to the Liberty Report.
With us today, we have Daniel McAdams, our co-host.
Daniel, welcome to the program.
Good morning, Dr. Paul.
How are you?
I am doing well.
A little chilly today.
I think we'll manage.
At least we don't live in Maine or some other place.
At least we're not going to be shipped off to Greenland and say, well, this is your new home.
So, yes, we survived the cold, but compared to the rest of the country, it wasn't that bad.
So, anyway, it's good that things are going well for us.
But I do want to mention something which is not doing real well.
And that is the economic system, the monetary numbers are not good for this country.
There's good for people who decided that things were going to get bad and they prepared.
But right now, today was another day.
It's just astounding.
As much as I mentally prepared myself for what's coming, it still is bewildering and shocking.
I mean, another day, silver up nearly $10 in a day.
When I remember the first silver I bought, it was $1.29 an ounce.
So things are going, but the dollar, the gold is $5,000.
And this is something that, you know, is an indication and it means that the dollar, the dollar is going down, the gold goes up, the economy gets bad.
And yet, even today, I saw some economic reports that were really optimistic.
So I always wonder how they could squeeze in these optimistic things like nothing's wrong.
And yet you talk to the people.
And of course, that's what we're going to be talking about: is what do the people think about this?
Because they're much better than sometimes these headlines are.
And they're the ones who have to do the shopping.
So that is something that we will have to deal with.
And Trump's numbers, they tell us they're going down.
And of course, we could argue that this program would recognize that because we were sort of semi-optimistic and hopeful, you know, a year ago and even since then.
But right now, these last several months, it's not been good for our pledge to look for optimism and say things are getting better.
Because right now, the polling and other things are saying things aren't getting better.
And there's big questions about what kind of situation Trump is in right now.
And one of the big issues right now is, you know, Minneapolis and what's going on at the borders and what do you do with the people came in illegally and how do you sort out what the government should do at the state level, at the federal level, and on and on.
And what are their interests?
So it is a mess.
And that's what we're going to be talking about.
But, you know, as we enter into the subject of the immigration, it brought back memories of a case that I had when in Congress.
We had a family that had four children, and then they had another one, but the fifth one was born in Mexico because the mother happened to be there.
Her first four children were born in America, but they were working real hard to send that one person back who was still.
I think maybe the person was like 16 and needed a driver's license, something like that.
And so they came to the congressional office for help.
You know, I have to tell you, I had some sympathy for that.
It didn't make any sense.
So I think that the rules, the current situation today, prevention would have been a much better thing.
In medicine, you know, prevention is much better than wait until the disease gets bad.
Well, we didn't use the prevention.
I would say the last administration didn't do much good on this subject and it made it much worse.
And right now, though, it's getting rather serious.
There's a lot of violence going on and people are talking about what's going on.
But somebody came up to me the other day and said, well, what would you have done?
Well, I would have tried to start early and prevent it, but that wouldn't be a chance.
What are you going to do right now?
Because I kept thinking about that case that I had to deal with.
And in Liberty Define, I described with difficulty exactly what I thought should be done.
And I didn't want to invite the notion, send in the feds, send in the feds, whether the states went them or not.
I would not have sent federal troops in there unless the governor and the community wanted it and made a request because I would worry about the Fed becoming a police state.
And that is true.
But if you say that, then you're a radical nut and a liberal and you identify with some of the people that are not on our side on the issue, really.
So this is something.
And I said, yeah, if they've been here, they've been here for 10, 15 years, and what do you want to do with them?
I said, well, I would give them a green card.
But I would put an asterisk on the green card and make sure that people know who they are, what they're doing.
And instead of just saying, open up the doors, you never have any punishment and that sort of thing.
So I would do that.
And then the big, the rule to make a transition at the very beginning to prevent and then later on for the transition.
And even now, no subsidies.
You subsidize something, you're going to get more of it.
So if you subsidize illegal immigration and defend it and disrupts our court, it doesn't work.
So, but I think there would be a way out.
And I'm very sympathetic for the people who trapped in the middle and it's no fault of their own.
But it's an opportunity for the evil people to come in and try to stir up trouble.
Unfortunately, right now they seem to be on the winning side.
And this next election is probably going to sort things out a little bit and the people will have a chance.
But it is not going to be easy for Donald Trump to maintain the coalition that he had two years ago.
Yeah, and one of the problems, Dr. Paul, was, you know, we're descending into tribalism.
You know, the right wants to see the left owned.
The left wants to see the right owned.
And meanwhile, the police state is circling around.
A surveillance state is descending on the country.
And the two sides are so busy with their bumper sticker slogans, they're not looking around.
And you've had, of course, you had a particularly violent weekend with this horrible shooting of Alex Pretty, no matter what you think about it.
I think there's probably not anyone who'd say it's really great that he got killed.
But very awful in Minneapolis, you had a woman, I think, get her hand blown off today, part of it at least from a non-lethal shot from one of the ICE agents.
But it's clearly it's ramping up.
The violence is definitely ramping up.
And one of the reasons, one of the things we wanted to talk about today is an article that came out in Politico.
It actually was written before the shooting over the weekend of Alex Pretty.
And it says that Republicans are worried about Trump's deportation campaign and our new poll shows why.
And what that poll found out is that 49% of voters in the political poll believe that the deportation campaign is too aggressive.
So that's almost a majority.
And you have even among Trump voters, one in three agree that it's going too far.
So you're seeing in a critical, we talked about this in a poll we talked about last week, this critical part of the Trump coalition, which is independent voters, they're definitely turning against this.
But even among Trump voters, I'm looking at the poll, 38% prioritize, and this sort of goes with what you were saying, 38% prioritize deporting illegals who have committed serious crimes first, rather than what we're seeing, which are these massive raids of masked, they're not even law enforcement, but federal agents, heavily armed federal agents that tend to be violent.
So you're having the even Trump voters almost 40% of them saying, let's prioritize and get people out of here that have done bad things while they're here.
Very good.
You know, when I look at this problem and try to sort it out, I turn it into, in my mind, as a property issue.
You know, these individuals that say, open up the doors, give them whatever they want, let them vote and play in all those games.
And they live in protected communities, protected by guns and whatnot.
I would say that the country itself is a home and your home is your castle.
And nobody's allowed to knock on the door and say, hey, look, you have an extra bedroom.
I'm moving in.
And the government sent me here and you're to provide me with food.
The property, even today, you know, most people say, hey, no, not there.
Rich or poorer, people would, you know, be against that.
But that's essentially what it is.
If you look at that, like people marching into our country at our expense, you know, we should look at our country like our home.
And that can be done.
And people can enter a home if you get permission.
People can go if there's an agreement between two people.
But this is this whole thing about subsidizing and going out and finding people to bring them in and then corrupt our courts.
That's another issue that is terrible in trying to sort this out.
So there'd have to be, you know, a system which is compassionate, understandable, you know, constitutional.
And the Constitution doesn't say open borders, but it does give us a guideline.
And they were thinking about, you know, guarding against the federal government becoming a police state and just sending in the troops.
So I have a strong belief in that.
And I would say that that whole issue is being messed up in Minneapolis.
And that is something that should be straightened out.
And I think the one rule that seemed to be abused the most is if the federal government wants to come in, they say, we're coming, we're coming, we're not, you just get out of our way.
It's an insurrection.
You know, the Democrats used it, the Republicans use it, and they just scare people and wanted to go along and scare people, you know, that there's a great danger, so you better do this.
That's a way so many things about economically or foreign policy.
Get scared.
Then the people will roll over and say, please come and take care of us.
I want to be safe.
So that is a real challenge.
But I think that this thing is not over yet.
And yet I do think there has been some positive steps, though.
Yeah, I think you're right.
Both sides want the government to come in and do the bidding.
And it's a problem because neither side understands that the government is part of the problem or is the problem.
And one of the things that I would be concerned about, Dr. Paul, if I were a Republican looking at the midterms, is not just the aggressiveness of this deportation campaign.
I mean, I think there are reasonable people who do think that we need to have secure borders and that people who are here illegally shouldn't be here illegally, who would say you should have bust down their door in this aggressive way.
But the other thing that's happening with the shooting over the weekend of this individual, he was out protesting.
There are different versions about what happened, but what is clear is that he had a concealed carry license and he was carrying a firearm.
And it's interesting, not only just the administration, but all of the previous extreme, strong pro-Second Amendment people are blaming him for carrying a firearm.
And it took someone like Thomas Massey to say, you're allowed to carry a firearm to a protest.
It shouldn't be a license for the police to kill you.
But the other problem is how much the administration has just out and out lied about what happened.
And I'm sure most of America has seen the various videos about what happened.
So it's not like they're telling us, you know, that we don't know already what's happened.
But, you know, Homeland Security Secretary Christy Noam, she claimed that this gentleman, Prenti, attacked officers, which is absolutely not true.
You can see the video.
He didn't attack officers.
Kash Patel, the FBI director, said the same thing, and it's not true.
Christy Noam claimed that he was brandishing a gun, which is not true.
He never pulled the gun.
The gun was taken away by law enforcement.
And Stephen Miller, probably the most radical member of the administration, he referred to this person as an assassin who tried to murder federal agents.
Very, very clearly not true.
And unfortunately, Vice President Advance repeated that claim that he is an assassin trying to kill officers.
None of that's true.
And people who watch the video can see that it's true.
And so I think it's leading people to lose faith and lose confidence in the administration that they would lie so blatantly about things that are so easily provable.
So I think, you know, the numbers are going to continue to go down for the administration because of this.
Mistakes Under Scrutiny00:02:30
You know, it is going to be hard to sort this out because the problem has gotten so huge.
And like I started my statement with that prevention is a much better method than waiting until somebody gets very, very sick.
And our situation here at our borders is very, very sick.
And it's much more difficult to protect everybody's civil liberties.
But I'll tell you what, the principle of private property ownership saw so many, so many problems, that of so-called discrimination, that there must be thousands and thousands of laws and rules to regulate people's behavior.
And now, Daniel, I think one of the biggest things is sorting all this out, especially in foreign policy, is the encroachment of the First Amendment.
I'm talking about property rights at the Fourth Amendment, the whole Constitution, but the First Amendment, that our government's coming in.
So if they can encroach a little bit too far to manipulate their domestic regulation and send in the military, this is a very dangerous thing.
And a lot of people that have supported Trump, you know, are sort of cheering him off.
So, we'd like to see people be more objective, but there's a lot of people who are supporting this.
But as you stated, and as this report shows, that it might not be steady and strong and improving because the mess is so messy and it's not just going to go away.
And we're involving a lot of people.
And then, in the meantime, so ironically, you know, we have people out there now.
Our population is going down.
We need more births in this country.
So, it's so mixed up when you get the government planning that they talk about who can walk into your house and into your community, and you have to take care of them.
And who's doing how many people are allowed to live in certain places?
So, I think it's so ironic.
It isn't so much they make mistakes, they shouldn't even be making these mistakes.
It's sort of like the monetary system.
How are you going to solve the problem between Trump and Powell to who gets to set the interest rate?
Well, they argue back and forth and back and forth, and they never say, you know what, maybe we shouldn't be doing this, and maybe we shouldn't be doing all of these other things that has created this mess at our borders.
Appreciating Patience Amidst Mistakes00:00:51
Yeah, absolutely.
I'm going to close out, Dr. Paul.
And just as our viewers, I think I mentioned on Thursday, we're in the process of a studio upgrade right now, part of our studio we're upgrading.
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We appreciate everyone sticking with us and their patience, and we appreciate them.
We appreciate all of you watching the program.
Over to you, Dr. Paul.
Very good.
And I too want to thank our viewers for tuning in.
I appreciate that support.
And just remember that if you're confused about how to solve problems, that I've learned one thing over the years that freedom is popular, and I want to keep it that way because that's where most of our answers can come from.