Zelensky To Trump: 'Give Me 50 Year Security Guarantee...And More Money!'
desctipiton: Ukraine's Vladimir Zelensky was back in DC over the weekend to once again make outrageous demands of the United States: NATO-like security guarantees for 50 YEARS...and more money. The US, Ukraine, and Europe are all negotiating with each other...meanwhile Russia is taking territory and winning the war. Also today - Bibi's back in town as well and he wants Uncle Sam to go to war for him (again) in Iran. Can Trump say "no"?
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With us today, we have Daniel McAdams, our co-host.
Daniel, good to see you this morning.
Good morning, Dr. Paul.
How are you?
How was your break?
We did well.
Good.
We had a big crowd.
Did Santa Claus come?
Somebody was trying to figure out, Roger, do you have more great-grandchildren or grandchildren?
It was difficult counting this time.
But they had a good time.
That's great.
That's wonderful.
Good time.
So, better time than some of the places we have to report about.
The one place is ongoing nonsense.
I think that the world advancement in technology and science and engineering and even in some of the wonderful things done in medicine are so fantastic.
But then, when you look at leadership in the major countries of the world and you wonder how do the two connect, well, why did all these weirdos go into politics?
And why does all these scientists, you know, but they have to play games with the politicians too?
So, it's really weird that, but it seems like what we get out of the politicians makes no sense.
And we want to talk about one here that I don't, and I think you agree, doesn't make a lot of sense.
And that's this fellow called Zelensky, you know.
And what's going on?
And they wanted Trump's a peacemaker.
He's been working hard on this.
And he thinks he has a goal.
He more or less has promised to Zelensky that we should be there, their person, we should be taking care of their security.
And he says, Zelensky, what about 15 years?
How would that do?
Are you going to ask your people if it's okay?
Oh, I don't think we have to do that.
The Ukrainians even were quoted as saying, I think you do have to ask the Congress.
But anyway, 15 years.
But they never asked the question, where does the authority really come from?
How many agreements do we have like this in recent years that there is no congressional authority?
And it goes on and on.
And then the other thing that I think this whole policy makes a mockery out of it is the whole fact that we're led to believe, and I'm a skeptic.
I don't want to hide it, but I'm a skeptic about this America First stuff.
I think it should be.
We should be defending America first as a champion of liberty.
And we would be a champion of a lot of other things if we could be a champion of liberty.
But this America First stuff, that doesn't mean we're the leaders in the defense of personal liberty.
It means that somebody else is taking advantage of us.
And when it comes to spending money, how about all this money we're spending?
They say it's $38 trillion that we've run up on debt.
But the real debt people say it's probably over $100 trillion.
But who's going to suffer from that?
The American people.
So I think the American people are left holding the bag.
And they're starting to feel it now, too.
The bag is getting heavy.
And it's very annoying to people.
And yet we don't hear the brilliance that they have in science to come through and say, well, this is what you have to do.
It's too simplistic to say, well, all you have to do is quit spending and quit putting money and you'd be better off.
Oh, it couldn't be that easy.
So that's it.
So anyway, Zelensky wants more help, not less.
Trump gives him an offer of 15 years.
We'll guarantee it, whatever that means.
But Zelensky, he's a tough one.
He's a tough bargainer because he has all these assets.
I don't know where they are, but he's always, he seems to be in the driver's seat on deciding how much do we need to be taken care of?
Well, at least give them a 50-year break.
By that time, you know, everybody doing negotiating, about half or more will be dead by the time that comes up.
But anyway, it's a big deal right now, whether or not we're going to be on the take for this.
And to me, this is just another example of the American people being put last and suffering the consequence of runaway nonsense by our governments.
Yeah, I think that's absolutely right, Dr. Paul.
And that's really the theme of today's show, which is America first or American Empire first.
Because the two things we're covering today is the Zelensky visit that took place over the weekend, where he came and demanded stuff from us.
And now, as we speak, Netanyahu is in town yet again, telling us what he wants from us.
And the American people are saying, can we get a break from doing things from other people for a while?
But put up that first one.
So this is, you know, this whole thing, Dr. Paul, we've said it many, many times here.
This is a disaster of Trump's own making.
He came into power in January.
He said all along correctly that this is Biden's war.
He could have just as easily, when he got into power on the 21st of January, said, I'm done with this.
This is Biden's war.
I'm not going to continue it.
Unfortunately, I don't know what the answer is.
Maybe it was his ego.
I don't know what it was, but he couldn't let go.
He had to be the peacemaker.
He had to get the adulations of people that's solving the problem instead of actually solving it.
So unfortunately, now it becomes a nightmare for him because Zelensky is back in town begging for more stuff.
Now, this is from Hedge.
Zelensky wants a 50-year security guarantee from Trump.
That's what his proposal is.
They met over the weekend.
Now go to the next one.
Trump said, I'll give you 15.
Zelensky said, no, I'll take more.
Zelensky said, we've been at war for almost 15 years.
Therefore, we would very much like the guarantees to be longer.
And I told him we'd very much like to consider the possibility of 30, 40, or 50 years.
And that this would be a historic decision by President Trump.
Trump says he'd think about it.
So that's what he wants.
The question that arises, Dr. Paul, is what is a security guarantee?
They say that it's NATO-like security guarantees.
It's ironclad security guarantees.
Surely this doesn't mean that if Russia continues its fighting or if Russia feels the need for whatever reason to go back into Ukraine, that the United States will go to World War III with a nuclear-armed Russia.
So if it doesn't mean that, what does it mean?
And nobody explains what it does mean.
Security guarantees.
Does it mean weapons?
What does it mean?
Nobody understands what it means.
Well, I'm going to give you my casual opinion about what it means, because it is benefiting somebody.
And they're the war profiteer people.
They'll come out in the end doing this and benefiting from it.
And that, of course, is something we've been harping on for a long, long time.
And all the way back to the Eisenhower era, they decided that the military industrial complex runs up.
But you mix that up with empire, and it's really a big deal.
But the guarantees, there's going to be profits.
What means is not true profits earned, but profits considered how much they can plunder from the people and fill the plunder with debt.
And that's what they're facing.
And I think it's just in the very early stages of the recognition of the seriousness of this, the size of the debt.
Not only the 38 trillion, that catches some people's attention, but the problem is so much bigger than that because it's the control of money.
And it's the people who suffer by paying the bills.
It's the interest rates that get manipulated.
And the people, you know, we read a lot of stories.
You know, there's no more inflation.
Everything has been cured.
Then you read a lot of stories about how families, not poor families, sometimes very middle-class families, trying to budget to have a decent standard of living.
And they keep thinking there's something wrong with the pricing mechanism.
There is, but it's the price of money that is the problem.
And they only deal with one half of the equation.
And it's commonplace to look at it, you know, the product itself as supply and demand.
Price Of Money Problem00:14:39
But people should concentrate more on the supply and demand of the money.
And they have to come together.
And when you have unsound money, you end up with what we have here.
A mess.
A mess.
You know, I'm forgetting now.
I'm pretty sure it was Larry Johnson, our good friend Larry Johnson, former CIA.
I was watching this show over the weekend where he was claiming that he had been told by his intelligence contacts that even members of Congress are getting paid off through this whole Ukraine war.
They're making out millions of dollars.
Would be a massive corruption scandal if that were the case.
And he says that's what he's been told and that's what he's seen.
And that, of course, now that you have the massive corruption scandal in Ukraine that has continued.
And in fact, the Ukrainian Anti-Corruption Authority was raiding more offices of people closer and closer to Zelensky.
And now that office is controlled by the U.S., it was set up by the U.S. and controlled by the U.S.
So we can turn the screws whenever we want on Zelensky.
And I think that's what happened because if you watch some of the video from over the weekend when Zelensky was in town, you saw a very different Zelensky.
Of course, the first time he was here, he was very self-assured and he got himself in trouble.
He was a little more contrite.
This time he literally looked afraid.
He looked frightened.
It looks like the game is up, really, from what you could see.
I put together a couple of clips, of video clips, to demonstrate this.
The first one now is now Trump is taking a different tune, too, because I think Trump has finally understood that the Kellogg's of the world had been lying to him, Keith Kellogg, lying to him for a long time.
Oh, Ukraine can still win.
Oh, Ukraine is winning.
Russia is about to go under.
All this stuff is nonsense.
I think Trump finally understands that.
And I think this first clip will demonstrate that, where Trump is saying, Trump is saying, you better take a deal.
You guys are losing territory all the time.
I'm going to put your earpiece in to listen to President Trump.
This is just over the weekend, Dr. Paul, if you want to if you want to put in your earpiece and listen to Trump telling your mind, sir, what are.
What are the thorniest issues still unresolved after the?
Well, I think the land you're talking about.
Some of that land has been taken.
Some of that land is maybe up for grabs, but it may be taken over the next period of a number of months.
And are you better off making a deal now?
Look, let me tell you, they have been very brave.
They fought very hard and continue to fight very hard and do tremendous damage.
But Russia would like to see it end, and Ukraine would like to see it.
Let's go straight to that second one, too.
Now, that's one highlight of this.
Now, you can see, I think in the second one, you can see the Greener.
Did Putin agree to a ceasefire to allow a referendum?
Not a ceasefire.
And that's one of the points that we're working on right now.
No, not a ceasefire.
He feels that, look, you know, they're fighting to stop.
And then if they have to start again, which is a possibility, he doesn't want to be in that position.
I understand that position.
The president feels strongly about that or something.
But I think we're finding ways that we can get around that.
But I understand President Putin from that standpoint.
You know, you have to understand the other side.
And, you know, I'm on the side of peace.
I'm on the side of stopping the war.
So, but I think that's a problem that's going to get solved.
And that's important, too, because Trump is saying no ceasefire.
And that's been the one thing that the Europeans and Ukraine has been continuously putting up ceasefire, ceasefire.
Trump has now definitively said no, it's not going to happen.
It's not going to happen.
You need to make a deal.
Yes.
And converting people to that opinion is another thing.
And, you know, there's so much corruption that we hear about now at the state level.
How many billions of dollars have been consumed with the system that's going on?
But I keep thinking, yeah, that's horrible.
And people recognize these people stole this money, but they never look back and say, who appropriated the money?
Who took the money from the people who produced the wealth?
Who's the people who suffer the tax system?
And the government comes in and gets involved in these wars or any other thing.
And then the people, you know, take some of the stuff off the top and they're taking their cut.
That's what they concentrate on, which they should, because that shouldn't happen either.
But the big fraud and the criminality is a system that is authorized and people look at it.
And you think, well, we don't follow the Constitution.
We don't have the authority, but we don't do that anymore.
So we just have to do that and teach people to be more honest, but we'll keep stealing the money from the people.
And that's why I keep going back to this, you know, who's being at fault?
Is it the American taxpayer at fault or who really gets punished for this?
And right now, I think it's the American people not on top of this.
It's the people who have to pay these bills and these things are done casually that they suffer financially, that they suffer from the loss of civil liberties, too.
And this whole thing just is weird because what we're seeing is the U.S. negotiating with Ukraine.
Ukraine is our proxy.
The U.S. negotiating with Ukraine and letting the Europeans negotiate a little bit too as well.
And on the other side, you have Russia that's not part of it.
They're not even negotiating.
The U.S. is trying to negotiate, you know, our sponsor, negotiating with those we're sponsoring to tell them what the deal will look like.
And then they're going to take this over to Russia and the whole thing's going to be discussed again.
So it really, it doesn't make any sense.
The whole thing doesn't make any sense.
I get the sense that Trump is starting to see things more clearly.
He's starting to get more frustrated with this whole back and forth.
It's literally consumed the first year of his presidency, if you think about it.
I mean, it has just been all consuming that.
And Netanyahu, who's coming, who's in town now, who's been consuming his time and energy.
But here's something interesting that happened last night, Dr. Paul.
And the timing is very suspicious, probably a miscalculation.
And if you skip that next one and go to the large Ukrainian drone attack, so right on the tail end of the meeting with Zelensky, it turns out Ukraine launched a massive drone attack on President Putin's own residence, which is something that's been off limits for both sides up to this point.
But they did that last night.
The Trump-backed effort to forge ahead on achieving peace in Ukraine may have just been completely derailed by a major development.
Just as Trump described Monday morning that he had a positive phone call with President Putin about Ukraine, the Kremlin alleges that Ukraine launched a major attack on President Putin's official residence in the Novgorod region on Sunday night into Monday, probably one of his residences.
There's no indication that the alleged attack where it occurred.
And so you have that attack.
And interestingly now, if you go to the next one, Carolyn Levitt, the spokesperson, she confirmed now that they have had a phone call.
President Trump has concluded a positive call with President Putin concerning Ukraine.
And we have some indication at the next one what part of that conversation was.
If you go to that next clip, and this is again, again, following that attack, the drone attack, this is a quote from Trump.
The drone attack on the Russian presidential residence will impact American approaches to working with Zelensky, Trump said.
He also added that he couldn't even imagine such insane actions as a drone attack on Putin's residence.
Quote, thank God we didn't give Zelensky Tomahawk missiles.
Now, those quotes were supplied by the Russian side, so we don't know if that's exactly what was said.
But if it was what was said, it seems like a pretty dumb move on Ukraine's part to get Trump so irritated right now.
Yeah, you know, you were hoping at least and indicating that maybe Trump has gotten a message where they were going to change the emphasis on defending Ukraine.
But then again, this continues.
I mean, the drones, they had to come from the American people.
You know, our taxes here.
So that continues.
And that could be just explained just by momentum.
I mean, how do you know when they stored these things up?
Maybe it was before Trump had a change of opinion or modifying his foreign policy.
But the cost comes back.
It's back to the American people.
That's why I think that the changes have to be made by not accepting clichés and looking to who really is in charge of who should be in charge in a country that's considered a free country.
And it shouldn't be a couple people or special interest groups.
And there's a bunch of special interest groups.
And they're so often international, too.
And then again, you used the right word at the beginning.
The big mix-up is when you're dealing with empire and when you deal with a major world currency.
So those moves are big deals.
And yet we concentrate on the 90 missiles that were shot at, supposedly shot at the Russians.
Well, another, I mean, another thorn in Trump's backside is coming back.
And this is the second thing we want to cover today is that Netanyahu, I think this is six visits.
I don't remember how many.
He's basically here every other week giving orders to Trump.
You know, he and Marion Adelson are telling Trump what to do.
It's got to be getting annoying for Trump.
Yeah, Netanyahu is coming back to town, and he's not making a list or checking it twice.
He's just giving orders.
As Trump awaits Netanyahu's war pitch, Iranian president says Israel and U.S. already waging a full-scale war.
So, if you go to the next one, what is anticipated with Netanyahu's big ask this time is he doesn't want to talk about the nuclear facilities in Iran that were attacked by the U.S. because he believes that they weren't utterly destroyed, but President Trump insists they were utterly destroyed.
So, he doesn't want to talk about that.
He wants to change the subject and he wants to tell President Trump that now something else is a big threat: Iran's ballistic missiles, all those missiles that were hitting Tel Aviv during the war.
Monday's visit to Mar-a-Lago, where he will reportedly lobby Trump to take more military action against Iran.
Moving the goalposts, Israel now says neither Tel Aviv nor Washington should tolerate Iran's rebuilding of the surprisingly formidable arsenal of hypersonic and other ballistic missiles the country used to retaliate when Israel initiated the 12-day war.
So Israel started the war.
They got smacked down by missiles that had a higher technology than they anticipated.
They ran begging to Uncle Sam for help.
He got the help.
And now Netanyahu wants Uncle Sam to destroy Iran's military ballistic missile program.
You know, it's sort of like what they're doing here is all they have to do is announce Iran has nukes.
They're on the verge of it, you know, and we have to do something.
It's sort of the way they use the word terrorism.
They could do anything they want.
If there are terrorists there, they could even start a war in Venezuela for all we know, because there are terrorists down there now.
And I say, well, there's a little bit of terror in the United States, too.
It's called the IRS.
Some people who are wiped out because of the burden of the taxation.
But the real tax, of course, is back to my big beef, and that is the tax comes from the inflation, the inflation tax, print the money.
And so there's a taxation there.
That's one way they say, well, you know, poor people don't pay income tax.
Half of the people don't pay income taxes, but they pay more than half, probably the pain and suffering from the inflation tax.
And that's something that I don't understand why that's not comprehensible, that the people realize that, you know, why do they do that?
Are they allowed to do that?
I said, no, they're not allowed to do that.
They're breaking the rules.
But why do the people put them there and let them do this and let them run this?
Have this inconsistent policy of saying one thing.
And who knows with the empire bill around us and surrounding, it's very hard to sort out the players.
Absolutely.
Well, there's one other thing in this article about Netanyahu coming to town that really struck me.
And I think this is an important factor that has not been part of the equation for quite some time.
Now, if you go to that next clip, I think this is incredibly important and it's an important backdrop.
And I do think President Trump understands this.
There is every indication that he does understand.
So this is from the article.
Meanwhile, the American right is in the midst of a growing civil war over U.S. support for Israel, with a great many conservatives still incensed over Trump's decision to support and then commit U.S. forces to Israel's war on Iran in June.
The question is whether Trump's instinctive subservience to Israel and its U.S.-backed collaborators will overcome reservations about blowing up the conservative coalition heading into next year's high-stakes midterms.
I couldn't have put it any better than that.
You have leading figures on the right, like Tucker Carlson and many others, more every day saying, why are we doing this?
Why are we putting this other country first?
And it's a huge split on the right.
And I wonder how that will factor into President Trump's meeting with Nets and York.
Why It's Hard To Stop Wars00:04:05
You know, I've always complained that it's too easy to go to war and they do it.
And it's real hard to stop them.
And nobody, if they're in the middle of a 10-year war, oh, you've got to stop it.
You don't support the troops.
You're not patriotic.
But, you know, in a way, this one might have a little bit more debate going on.
And let's hope that when we sense that there might be some disagreement that might change the policy, I don't cross my fingers.
I cross my fingers and my toes.
That'll work.
But it's such a shame that we continue with the same policy.
And the policy has been the interventionist, they say, oh, well, let's change parties.
It's all one party, which isn't true.
It's the war party, and they're in both and both the major political parties.
They have that coalition.
I sure wish we could have, or we still could contribute to building the coalition between those who think in an opposite fashion that there should be a coalition of people saying, enough is enough.
And before you know it, you're going to get us into a hot war.
And we already know this.
You know, how many places they pick and choose.
And if things don't go well for one day there and you get bad publicity, oh, they'll have a bad problem in another continent.
You know, they bounce around the continents now like it's nothing.
Well, we're trying to do something about that, actually.
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And I too want to strongly support that position because it is not easy to raise the funds under these conditions.
And economic conditions do have an effect on how we operate.
And of course, it is more difficult to raise funds to stop a war.
It's difficult.
But I always found being in politics and out of politics, it was much easier to raise money for political reason.
And that's good or bad.
If you're running for the good things and you're raising money, fine.
But if you're writing on a purely philosophic position of non-interventionism in the Constitution, somehow another, people find that less exciting than talking about some of the problems that they're confronting and solving with more spending and building bigger airplanes and battleships.
We're back to building battleships.
That's an ancient weapon.
It's just horrible.
A few targets with missiles can knock out a battleship and an aircraft carrier.
But anyway, we're going to keep plugging away at this.
I do want everybody to know how much we appreciate it because we can't exist without your help.
And I'm so convinced what motivates me is that I do believe that people really want peace and prosperity.
But they get influence from outsiders who's in charge of too much of the propaganda.
But I am convinced, though, that people would much rather live in a free society than one where it is dominated by the authoritarians.
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