It's not called the "Empire of Lies" for nothing. Deception is the oxygen of empire. 44,000+ hours of January 6th footage has been released, and it's quite obvious as to why they weren't released in the first place. Also today, Javier Milei was elected in Argentina. Is change coming to the South American nation?
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Indictments and Prisoners
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| Hello everybody and thank you for tuning in to the Liberty Report. | |
| With us today is Chris Rossini, our co-host. | |
| Chris, good to see you this morning. | |
| It's great to be with you, Dr. Paul. | |
| Good. | |
| We have a couple interesting things to talk about and they're both of equal interest to me in many ways because one is it looks like the FBI might be put on the defensive. | |
| The American people are getting to see some films, 40,000 pages or minutes of film of what was going on on January 6th. | |
| But everybody knows what's going on. | |
| Why do we have to look at it? | |
| Why should the American people be burdened by looking at this stuff? | |
| Because there was an insurrection there and they've convicted people. | |
| They still have people in prison and Trump has been punished by doing this and they really just about can't do any more harm. | |
| Except that even that backfired. | |
| Maybe justice was really on his side to begin with because the more they threw at Trump over these false accusations about January 6th, the more popular he became. | |
| So that's a bit of irony. | |
| But, you know, there were a lot of pros and cons, and we talked a lot about the new speaker. | |
| And yet he came up this weekend. | |
| He said he was going to do it, and he's releasing 40,000 hours of films about what went on January 6th. | |
| And that, to me, is just going to be, you know, a real help for us to sort this out. | |
| You know, there was one headline that caught my attention to tell you how ridiculous this whole thing has been, this kangaroo court. | |
| I just don't know why there wasn't more stink made about it, but there was little all this film to tell about the insurrection that people were being crucified over and nobody was allowed to see them. | |
| Now they're coming out. | |
| So that is terrible that they weren't allowed to use it in a case. | |
| That whole trial should have been thrown out. | |
| And yet they've convicted a lot of people. | |
| Some people are still in prison yet. | |
| It's really a crime in itself. | |
| But here's an article that says the FBI lost count of how many paid informants were at the Capitol on January 6th and later performed audit to figure out exact number of ex-officials were in there. | |
| So there was a lot of suspicion and they'll see it. | |
| No wonder they didn't want to show the films. | |
| There was an indictment against the people saying that there was an insurrection going on. | |
| In truth, what they were doing to prevent this truth from coming out, they were closer to being the insurrectionists than the people who went visit the Capitol and got a little bit rowdy. | |
| So to me, it's just atrocious of what went on. | |
| So I was delighted to know about this. | |
| I hope nothing fades on this. | |
| I hope there's no redactions. | |
| You know, say, oh, well, we better blank this out. | |
| So let's see what happened. | |
| But it's a good sign. | |
| You know, we don't have somebody that we can say is a perfect libertarian speaker of the house, but he, I believe, has good instincts and a good desire to do this right. | |
| He did say he was going to do this and he did it. | |
| And Chris, I think this is good. | |
| I can't see how it can't be helpful to Trump because people didn't believe in any way what was going on and he wasn't hurt by all these charges made and convictions and indictments and all this. | |
| They've just, I think they've blown their case by making it so absurd. | |
| No one person would have enough time to commit 95 felonies in a short period of time. | |
| But they're still saying other 95 felonies. | |
| We have to punish him. | |
| And he has to, there was one ad, one statement today that said somebody, he needs to be eliminated. | |
| Oh, that sounds like, yeah, they're talking about Trump. | |
| And I'm sure it was totally innocent, eliminated from voting. | |
| They're trying to do that, which is part of an insurrection if you can't even run for president. | |
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Americans And The Oath Of Office
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| So this to me is a big deal. | |
| And I think that it's followed through. | |
| You know, hopefully they can quickly, you know, just cancel that whole charade that went on. | |
| The kangaroo corps released those people. | |
| And when they have the evidence of people doing violence, they can search it out. | |
| There probably was. | |
| There, you know, some rowdiness going on. | |
| But to describe this as a strategy, a specific plan to take over the government, that is such a far-fetched, and I think the American people know that. | |
| Chris. | |
| Right, Dr. Paul. | |
| And, you know, they don't call it an empire of lies for nothing. | |
| You know, this January 6th, it just fits with the rest of the story because big government, especially a government the size of ours, which is the biggest ever, it functions and breathes on deceptions. | |
| And this is hard for the average American to cope with, to grasp, because in our normal lives, we don't live with constant lies. | |
| We couldn't be able, we couldn't function. | |
| You know, yes, people lie, you deal with it here and there, but when it comes to government, and it's all the time, that's hard for people to accept. | |
| And I get it. | |
| I get that it's hard to accept. | |
| But it really is, you know, especially at this stage in the game. | |
| All the wars, COVID lockdowns, the vaccines, January, when Trump was president, it was on steroids. | |
| January 6th, Russia Gate. | |
| It was just one after another, after another. | |
| And by the time you debunk one, they're already on to the next one. | |
| And I remember back in the George W. Bush years, one of his, somebody in the administration said, you know, we create our own reality, and then you guys go and you fight about it. | |
| And that's what it is. | |
| They create a false reality. | |
| Americans go back and forth, fight about it. | |
| The truth comes out, but they're already on to the next one. | |
| And Americans really have to get to where the Soviets ended up. | |
| And by the time the Soviet Union was on its last leg, the Soviet citizens knew that everything that the government was saying was a lie. | |
| They knew it. | |
| They didn't believe it anymore. | |
| And Americans are not there yet because Americans still believe. | |
| Enough do. | |
| So, you know, I only have one piece of advice. | |
| Get there faster. | |
| Realize that it really is an empire of lies. | |
| You know, it shouldn't be a surprise that they didn't find evidence of an insurrection. | |
| And yet it will never be admitted by those who, you know, did this lying that you talk about. | |
| And so we don't expect that we'll ever have somebody say, oh, we're sorry we did that. | |
| We overstepped our bounds. | |
| We made a few mistakes, but we got carried away. | |
| Forget it. | |
| These people have no sense of right and wrong. | |
| They're in the category of nihilistic, at least because they don't believe in politics that there should be a precise definition of right and wrong. | |
| If that's the case, then all be, essentially all, be very guilty of lying when they take their oath of office. | |
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People Power Objection
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| And there's always such a few couple hands full of those who really work at trying to follow the oath of office and obeying the Constitution. | |
| But if you talk about insurrection and breaking the rules, I mean, the opposition, the people that did all this and had the kangaroo court, just think of how much abuse of the Department of Justice has gone on during this period of time. | |
| And that's something that if you're an insurrectionist, you want to get rid of the Department of Justice. | |
| And this is where the American people sort of have woke up on it. | |
| They understand that and they see it as unfair. | |
| That's why everything they've thrown at Trump and the campaign that sounded like it was extreme and very bad, and it should be enough to disqualify almost anybody, the more the reputation grew, the more support Trump got. | |
| That doesn't mean that Trump's always on the right side and all that. | |
| It's just interesting to me that with all the power of the courts and the political system that they were in charge with, the opposition were able to take any. | |
| If you objected, if you objected to the vote, we want a real vote count. | |
| We want to make sure all the votes are counted, that you're an insurrectionist because you said, oh, he won't endure. | |
| That group won't accept the election. | |
| They're trying to overthrow the election, you know, and that kind of stuff. | |
| And I think even some people who wouldn't be, you know, solid, very, very powerful type of people that support Trump, I don't think, I think others are looking at this because if they have any brain at all, they're going to say, you know, what would happen if the Republicans take over? | |
| Well, they got a taste of it. | |
| They took over, you know, even though it's not a very powerful majority in the House. | |
| And look at what's happening already. | |
| They should be embarrassed by this, but that is why they fought tooth and nail. | |
| No evidence is to be seen in the court. | |
| And yet, you know, eventually truth wins out in the end. | |
| And I think that's what's happening. | |
| Sometimes you have to wait a generation to really find out the truth. | |
| I keep thinking about all this talk about honest elections of what happened in 1948 when LBJ stole the Senate race down there. | |
| Back there, it wasn't decided that it was a stolen election and all the corruption, but history has shown it was terrible, you know, what went on. | |
| He became president, and he, of course, didn't turn out to be a very great president because he was working with a set of standards that were quite different. | |
| So I think this whole idea that the factions that were demonstrated on the Capitol don't believe in democracy, well, I think they should, the people now who ought to be able to flip that over now that they've exposed what the FBI and others have done. | |
| If you want to talk about, you know, democracy, of course, we're cautious about how we define democracy and all, but even in their definition of democracy, it's been underpinned by the fact that all these false accusations were made. | |
| And the sooner they release all those people that are still under arrest and suffering from the abuse of the legal profession, the justice system, the sooner they get released, the better. | |
| Yes, everybody admits there's probably was some violations and civil disobedience and a few things like that. | |
| But to be an insurrectionist and get away with that, they use that all the time. | |
| It's time and this might just really be a real help in getting more truth out. | |
| Wait till they see all the documents and maybe people will change their minds that have been bullheaded about saying, oh no, they're insurrectionists. | |
| They wanted to take over the government. | |
| Well, in a way, if you wanted to play a pun on it, that's what elections are all about. | |
| We want to take over the government. | |
| So it's darn right, foolish. | |
| But I think this represents a nation that's drifting into oblivion, totally bankrupt, without moral standards, operating on an empire that they can't afford, and this is what they have to spend their time doing. | |
| Chris. | |
| Right, Dr. Paul. | |
| And, you know, the real tragedy of it is that the people in power believe that they can do what they want and will not pay any penalties for it. | |
| And at the moment, that seems to be true. | |
| You know, when you think of the wars, the Iraq war, the Syria war, the there's too many of them to even name here. | |
| We don't have enough time. | |
| Nobody gets punished for them. | |
| You just move on. | |
| When you think of COVID, all that may be the biggest one the world has ever seen and just move on. | |
| So the people that are doing these things, their egos get even bigger. | |
| And, you know, if they get a rush out of it, they may want even something bigger still, you know, because they get to do what they want and not pay the price. | |
| You know, and this January 6th is just another one to add onto the pile. | |
| Will people actually pay for this? | |
| There was a whole January 6th commission. | |
| You know, Trump was, he was the one that did all this. | |
| Will anybody pay for this? | |
| I don't know. | |
| But I'm sure that the people at the top and in power are thinking, you know, we could make this go away somehow. | |
| I don't know. | |
| But they have seemed to have done it in the past. | |
| And this is very dangerous. | |
| This is very dangerous for our freedoms. | |
| Because if the people in power don't have to follow any laws, you are not a nation of laws. | |
| This is the law of the jungle. | |
| It's the one who can convince the mobs to do their bidding. | |
| And that's what the media does. | |
| And it's very scary. | |
| It's very scary. | |
| This is not how the land of the free is supposed to be at all. | |
| If anything, the people in power have to be watched over carefully. | |
| And we have drifted to the extreme to where they're not. | |
| And, you know, so how this goes with this January 6th, will something come of it? | |
| I'm sure that a lot of them believe that nothing will come of it. | |
| I guess we'll see. | |
| But ultimately, this is like a game of musical chairs. | |
| Somebody is going to end up with that chair. | |
| Somebody is going to pay the price at some point. | |
| It can't go on forever, but they're all willing to pass the bag until that moment comes. | |
| You know, one person is not going to let this fade away without an effort to find out a lot more about it, and that's Senator Lee, a good friend of Rand's, because Mike has made a very specific question that he is going to be checking in on this. | |
| So that is what is necessary, but he does need more support because a lot of this should have been demanded a long time. | |
| There has to be so many technicalities that were violated. | |
| The whole idea that they weren't allowed to look at these films. | |
| I mean, that is just atrocious that that happened. | |
| So I think in the long run, there's going to be some real benefits from this. | |
| And I think there's two people, especially the Republicans that served on the committee. | |
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People Need Money Solutions
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| You know, the commission, they put, I guess, they put some reasonable Republicans on. | |
| Then they finally say, oh, we need Liz Cheney and Adam McKinzinger. | |
| We need them. | |
| Oh, no, they were switched by Pelosi. | |
| She says, oh, no, we don't want those Republicans. | |
| We'll pick the Republican. | |
| And it's just amazing that there wasn't a little bit of a breakthrough by the opposition. | |
| Say, hey, you know, guys, you went a little bit too far. | |
| Someday, Republicans might have political power. | |
| And if we're setting the standards, what does that mean? | |
| Well, unfortunately, that's the way it's operated for a good while. | |
| So the standards in Washington, D.C., and in the Congress has been eroding for a long time. | |
| But this is an opportunity for a lot of people to reassess things and decide there has to be a better way, Chris. | |
| Very good, Dr. Paul. | |
| I actually have nothing else on January 6th. | |
| If you want to go to the next topic that we're going to cover, I think that is a very good idea because that to me, we had two good subjects if you were looking for things that are very important and really enlightening. | |
| And that has to do with what's happening in Argentina. | |
| Because somebody who calls himself a libertarian, and a lot of others say he's a radical libertarian, he surprised a lot of people by winning the election. | |
| He's the president now. | |
| He has, you know, some controversies, which you can expect in some accusations by a lot of people who don't like freedom, and they're going after him. | |
| But this is good. | |
| The one thing is, it wasn't like he was winning in the election by hiding everything that he said or what his beliefs were by never saying that he was a libertarian. | |
| He didn't back away from it. | |
| So when the people were voting, they literally were voting for libertarianism. | |
| And of course, looking at the record, he's very, very good, but he's not going to be, you know, under the circumstances, it's going to be a tough job to be able to carry out all these libertarian viewpoints because you can look, we could look at his foreign policy, you know, and that will be different. | |
| But I recall back in the 70s when there were severe problems coming out of the breakdown of the Bretton Woods. | |
| Argentina went way off by spending and deficits. | |
| But one of the students of Mises, Hans Senholtz, a professor at Grove City, was making trips down there to lecture and talk about Austrian economics. | |
| And I remember that very clearly. | |
| And there was a movement going on there, but there was not much follow-through. | |
| So this is good, but there has to be some follow-through. | |
| And I think so far a lot of this has been very, very good because this means that people have heard the word more now than ever before. | |
| And they knew what they were voting for. | |
| They may be disappointed in the way it works out because nothing's going to go perfectly. | |
| I have questions about how a country smoothly dollarizes their currency. | |
| That is, use the dollar instead of the peso, the Argentine peso. | |
| That will not be easy. | |
| The other thing I have, Chris, that I think is a real challenge. | |
| We have a few problems here. | |
| I think most people say, like, we spent too much money. | |
| The deficit's explosing. | |
| The unfunded liabilities entering the hundreds of trillions of dollars. | |
| And loss of personal liberty. | |
| Managing an empire. | |
| How can a country, you know, it's good to look and pick out the good things that we have done, but if a country who wants to improve their situation, if they use the United States as the model, that's a problem for me. | |
| We're trying not to use that model to try to improve what's here. | |
| But nevertheless, I still think that there's a lot of work to be done. | |
| And this is an opportunity for more education and at least somebody who's willing to say, there's nothing wrong with being a libertarian. | |
| That's what I called myself. | |
| And now I'm president, Chris. | |
| Yeah, yeah. | |
| I mean, you can't fault any of that. | |
| You know, this is, I know a lot of libertarians are very excited about this. | |
| And, you know, the stuff about abolishing central banks. | |
| And he hits all the good points. | |
| So that was his message, and he's elected. | |
| So you can't fault that. | |
| Do Argentinians really want what he says? | |
| I guess we'll see. | |
| Can he actually implement the things that he's saying? | |
| Or will they do like what they did with Trump, just mire him in controversy and legalese and just tie his hands? | |
| Again, I guess we'll see. | |
| The one thing that does rub me the wrong way, when I hear him discuss foreign policy, he sounds like he would be a good fit on the GOP debate stage. | |
| We talked about that. | |
| So his foreign policy and foreign policy is extremely, extremely important. | |
| Perhaps the most important because your foreign policy can ruin your nation, whether you're capitalist, socialist, our nation has been ruined by our foreign policy. | |
| So it is extremely important. | |
| So would he act out some of the things he's saying by sending troops or weapons or money? | |
| Who knows? | |
| But one thing that concerns me is if he follows everything that the U.S. government follows in foreign policy, he could be used for PR purposes. | |
| Oh, look, the president from Argentina supports this invasion, you know, and he's a Rothbardian. | |
| You know, Rothbard would turn over in his grave if he ever heard something like that. | |
| So that's one sticking point, as great as his message is. | |
| I would like more consistency, non-interventionist, not only at home, but around the world. | |
| Right. | |
| You know, he does say he touched on the central bank. | |
| He's not for a central bank. | |
| He wants to close that down. | |
| But then he wants everybody there to just use dollars. | |
| And I think Panama is that way, and they just use dollars. | |
| And that's a different type of situation. | |
| But in the transition, I think, is going to be rather rough. | |
| But I don't, I haven't read anyway, I haven't heard him mention gold. | |
| If he says no central bank, and they start talking about gold. | |
| But, you know, I'm going to say something very dangerous because I'm going to say there's another country that's doing it differently that seems to be wanting, or at least for publicity's sake, coming out more for free trade and gold. | |
| And that happens to be China. | |
| They trade with us and they sell us a lot of stuff. | |
| We send them a lot of money and they invest it sometimes more wisely than our government does. | |
| But China say they put a lot of their money into gold. | |
| So someday they're going to have clout that sneaks up on the world because they may be managing a reserve currency of the world. | |
| So that's why, yes, get rid of the central bank. | |
| But it's a bigger job to say, yes, we're going to have a peso, but we're going to back it up by gold. | |
| The transition era is really very tough when you get a country into so much bankruptcy. | |
| But it's going to be really, really tough for us to go on a gold standard too, because we have so many dollars, and for us to have enough gold to back it, it's no easy transition to do this, because the first thing you'd have to do is cut the spending and don't spend more. | |
| Don't put the pressure on the printer, on those running the printing press. | |
| So if you don't do that, there's no transition. | |
| So that's the reason that to believe in more free trade It would be better because he is, you know, he's for some restrictions on trade. | |
| But I think it's still, in spite of it all, I think it's great, a great move, and there are a lot of ups and downs. | |
| But right now, it's not the solution, but it's a step in the right direction. | |
| And we need to encourage and compliment people when they move in the right direction. | |
| And it's that momentum that counts because obviously for them to have that revolutionary change in Argentina meant the people there are sick and tired of it. | |
| And maybe we're getting to that point. | |
| So what are we going to do? | |
| Are we going to say what we need is more government? | |
| And should we spend more time with the United Nations or something? | |
| No, we need people to understand what free markets and personal liberty means. | |
| Chris, did you have another slide? | |
| Yeah, I'll close real quickly, Dr. Paul, just echoing what you're saying. | |
| The people need to be ready for change. | |
| It would be great to wave a magic wand and get rid of socialism or rip the band-aid off, get rid of corporatism, and have free markets. | |
| But you know what? | |
| If a critical mass of the people do not want that, you ripping off that band-aid, it'll just go right back to socialism and corporatism. | |
| Back in the 1850s, I guess it was, Andrew Jackson heroically, he closed the central bank at the time. | |
| It was called the Second Bank of the United States. | |
| But look, we ended up with the Fed. | |
| You know, it comes right back. | |
| If the people, that's why knowledge and understanding is so important. | |
| And for the opinion molders to hold these views. | |
| Because if the opinion molders hold the corporatist socialist views, you can get rid of XYZ and they'll just put it right back and the people won't care. | |
| We have the Federal Reserve today, even though Andrew Jackson abolished the central bank back in the 1850s. | |
| So it's a very tricky situation. | |
| Again, it's great to talk about these things more. | |
| People will hear about libertarianism. | |
| But like I said, consistency. | |
| The host of this show was the consistent one. | |
| He was non-intervention overseas and held all the views that for domestically. | |
| But we saw how Dr. Paul was treated when it came time for the election. | |
| But that is the ideal. | |
| Until then, we'll take the wins as they come. | |
| Very nice, Chris. | |
| And I want to go ahead and finish by just mentioning that the people in Argentina changed their minds about their leadership. | |
| And their biggest complaint was inflation and standard of living. | |
| The people who were still receiving enough government money to pay for some rents and food, they're against these changes. | |
| But the majority of the people finally realized this is not a good system. | |
| And it has to change. | |
| And that's why they went along with it. | |
| But they recognized where the problem was, but our country and our people now are recognizing that problem. | |
| They're saying if prices are too high, we need the government to help us. | |
| But our goal ought to be, is to give the answer and not just say yes. | |
| They want more from the government because prices are too high. | |
| How can we eat? | |
| And we have to depend on the government. | |
| And yes, we have to keep our national defense high because we would be destroyed if we didn't have our empire. | |
| On and on with that nonsense. | |
| And this is the big thing is we need a lot more concentration. | |
| Yes, we need to concentrate and talk about why prices are high. | |
| They're not high because of profiteering and they're not high because of labor unions. | |
| They're not high for the fact that we don't have enough, that we have too much free trade, all that stuff. | |
| People need to know these reasons for doing it, and they will come around to it. | |
| But we need to put more emphasis on what are the qualities of the principles that can be used to defend peace and prosperity. | |
| And that, for me, is personal liberty. | |
| We were introduced to those principles a long time ago. | |
| We did well, but in the last hundred years, we've let it disintegrate and drift away from us. | |
| So, our job now is to restore the confidence in what personal liberty is all about. | |