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I watched Tucker and you stayed up after they all went to bed, you stayed up and wrote 32 pages and your ideas of what's going on in the world.
Exactly.
I wrote a little book.
I was sewing logs, I have to say.
I guess there were a lot of people staying up afterwards, trying to spin things in their favor.
But a lot of people watched Fox, but they also a lot of people watched Trump.
Yeah, you know, and alternate media or the coming media or whatever you want to call it.
But that to me is pretty amazing.
But, you know, when that settles, the big question is what has changed?
What has been achieved by this?
Have many people changed their minds about what's happening?
My first thoughts are that sometimes changing their mind doesn't change their philosophy because when you have interventionism, you could be all over the place and you can sound like you have different ideas.
But if you're going to use the government to intervene in everything that we do, there's really no significant change.
But then there's also some practical changes.
Some interventionists are for raising taxes on one thing, others on something else.
So, well, when you hear these debates, I watched the ones, you know, the debates on Fox, but that was, you know, same old.
But you chose to spend a little bit of time watching maybe where the real action was, at least where you could, you know, vary the emphasis because Trump is ahead.
Trump is way ahead, and it looks like he didn't fall behind.
I wonder if he had more people watch his show than Fox did.
Well, we talked yesterday about Chris Christie and how he said, oh, Trump's a coward for not coming on and debating with us.
Well, as usual, Chris Christie's political antenna are broken, and he was wrong because while they were, you know, blathering about, let's put on that first clip, here's what was happening in the real world, i.e. the world of former Twitter Now X.
And I just clipped this a little bit before the show started.
197.3 million views of Tucker Carlson interviewing President Trump in his little cabin, whatever it was, the most watched interview in the history of the world thus far.
So sorry, Chris Christie, you got that wrong, as usual.
Trump felt like he didn't need to go on cable TV.
He recognizes there are alternatives, and it turns out that his choice, of course, was the right choice in terms of reaching millions and millions of people.
You know, in a way, Trump could look at it in a practical sense.
Well, if I go there, are they going to change my opinion?
If I go there, am I going to change their opinion?
Are they going to hate me less because I go there?
Or will they respect me more?
And after what he's had to go through in the last couple years, obviously, when you can get an audience like that, why bother going there and playing those games?
Because very much they are games that they play.
And I think the part that annoys me the most, and yet this is what the people watch the most, is the yelling and shouting and so-called fighting.
I've never got a big kick out of that because I don't think it accomplishes anything.
But overall, I think you might as well let people see how they act and make up their own mind.
But I don't think they've solved any problems because I don't think they're going to see it the way we see it and say, hey, they're not going to say, hey, maybe Trump was right.
I don't know if anybody from the opposition has ever said that.
Like, maybe you're right on this issue or this issue.
So I think it's, I think it was something that was very, very important, but I don't think it made any major decisions other than it looks like it boosted Trump once again.
You know, he choose on the day before he was going to be indicted and again.
So they had a few more things that they're going to accuse him of.
And it's back to what I think said yesterday.
When are they going to realize that attacking him and doing things and punishment and accusing him of things and pretending to accuse him, but not really doing it, that the people aren't that dumb?
I think they're starting to wake up.
Well, you mentioned that they were all fighting with each other in the regular debate.
But the thing with the exception of Vivek Ramaswamy, they were all saying the same thing.
They all agreed on everything, yet they were pretending to fight over it.
And that's what I think was insane.
But I took a couple of clips, not too many, but I thought this first one was worth watching and listening to.
Because this, go back to the first one, is Trump and Trump and Tucker talking about why he decided to go on X slash Twitter instead of going to the debate.
It's worth listening to.
Let's go ahead and play that.
Here we go.
Because you spent a lot of your career in television.
Yeah.
You would a top show in television on NBC.
But you don't feel the need now running for president to do television, obviously.
Do you think television is declining?
Well, according to a poll that I guess we just saw, it just came out where it's down like 30, 35%.
But I think they were talking, referring to cable.
I think cable's down because it's lost credibility.
MSNBC, or as they say, MSDNC, is so bad.
It's so wrong what they write and what they do and what they say.
It's fake news, as I said.
I think I came up with that term.
I hope I did because it's a good one.
It's not tough enough anymore.
It's corrupt news.
You know, really what you do is call it corrupt news.
So he's saying basically the cable news is irrelevant.
And I think he goes on to even talk about Fox, ironically, which hates Trump now and which fired Tucker Carlson.
Talk about sweet revenge going up against Fox head-to-head and cleaning the floor with them.
You know, we've talked recently about the collusion between government and social media.
But I think the collusion also goes to, you know, cable, you know, where they're going to spout a lot of government position.
You take the war issue, for instance, and the welfare issue and the Federal Reserve issue.
They're not going to do it.
This is why what's happening now with Twitter is very interesting.
And thank goodness we still have enough freedom to find an alternative outlet.
That doesn't mean we should be casual about it and not think about it because I think there will always be a threat to this because the people who are in charge of authoritarian government, they cannot stand the truth and they cannot stand competition.
But so far, truth is winning here, a battle here and there.
Well, Trump won for sure because of the viewers.
X slash Twitter won because they attracted an enormous crowd, enormous crowd and no glitches.
But I would say someone else that won was Rumble, was our partners on this show, and we're grateful to them.
But Rumble was able to put Glenn Greenwald in a nice little sound room with everything branded, and he did some after debate commentary.
He brought in some people.
In fact, let's listen to that next clip where he's talking to Matt Gates about the debate.
This is a fascinating conversation.
And let me see, I forget how much we want to do, like a minute 14 of this, but it's really fascinating to see these two interacting.
Clarifying parts of the discussion to the extent there was one involving policy was the section on Ukraine.
There was one candidate and one candidate only emphatically saying we shouldn't be sending our money to Ukraine while we have all kinds of problems here at home, including with our own border, never mind the Ukrainian border.
DeSantis, as Vivek kind of mocked him for, had his finger in the air saying, let's get the Europeans to pay more, which isn't really a position.
To me, it seemed like a kind of Republican Party debate that could have happened in 2004, 2008, 2012, the kind of Republican Party before Trump changed it.
What are these people doing when they look at the polling data, seeing that Republicans overwhelmingly don't want to send money to Ukraine and saying that they don't care.
They want that money going anyway.
Well, Glenn, maybe I shouldn't be so surprised that there's such a disconnect between the people on that debate stage, other than Vivek, and the typical Republican voter on the issue of Ukraine, because there's a similar disconnect with the United States Congress.
Like when we had a vote on just whether or not you demand that Joe Biden write down a plan for Ukraine, he could just write any words, like a celebrity jeopardy final answer, any word would qualify.
And we only got 100 votes for that to condition future aid on it.
Everyone else, so don't even demand a plan.
It's unpatriotic to ask for a plan from the Biden administration.
Just give all the money that Ukraine is going to be able to do it.
I could go on watching this because it was fascinating.
But hey, I would just have a couple comments, Dr. Paul.
How fascinating to see Matt Gates, Glenn Greenwald apparently agreeing in the same room.
You know, this is the new, this is how things are changing, I think.
A great progressive like Glenn, a maverick conservative like Gates talking about it.
And what are they saying?
They're saying, what on earth is going on?
Poll after poll, and we talked about it so many times on the show.
Poll after poll shows that Americans, especially Republicans, especially conservatives, want nothing more to do with Ukraine, full stop.
So why are these candidates up here saying we need to do more for Ukraine?
And Gates comes in, well, why is Congress ignoring the will of the American people saying we need to do more for Ukraine?
I think that was a great segment.
Yeah, and you know, it gives me some encouragement to think that these guys had to be exposed to government schools along the way.
But they're also in, they're independent-minded enough to at least for their news elsewhere.
So Gates, you know, is very independent-minded.
He doesn't have every position that we have, but he's good, and he's independent-minded, which is something what the people are looking for because they figure if he says something, he's going to tell them, you know, what he believes is the truth and that he can be trusted.
Glenn Greenwald gives me a lot of encouragement.
We've been working with him for a good many years.
And I think about, well, you know, with his legal expertise and constitutional expertise, just think of having people like that on the Supreme Court.
And at least, you know, maybe we could say 10 years ago, they weren't being exposed.
And now it's alternative media that some of these people are being exposed.
And Twitter is doing their share of exposing the alternative views, which are coming much closer to telling the truth than listening to the major networks.
Yeah, exactly.
Well, it wasn't only pandering on Ukraine that the Republicans did in their debate.
There's also pandering on that same old thing, which is Israel.
Let's put up that next clip.
This is really interesting because this is a clip from it.
We're not going to play the audio of it.
But this is Nikki Haley.
She says, it's not that Israel needs America.
America needs Israel.
And then Citizen Free Press says, Nikki Haley is America last.
To which Matt Walsh, who writes for the Daily Wire, which has been very friendly to Israel, obviously, he says this is an insane thing for a presidential candidate to say.
The very definition of America last.
And it's interesting because, you know, she's attacking Ramaswamy, who basically, I think, and I'm probably oversimplifying it, but was taking more what I would consider a Ron Paul view, which is we should treat Israel like every other country.
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We don't need to send it billions.
Treat it like a grown-up, the grown-up that it is, and let them do their own thing.
Don't push them around and don't send them a check.
And of course, everyone flipped out.
But you know, this is nothing new.
I remember back in 96 when Netanyahu first won.
Now, he was a real maverick back then.
And that was one of the planks in his platform.
And I go back, I might be wrong slightly on the year, but I remember him saying, we don't want to have these strings attached to us by the U.S.
We want to do our own thing.
So it's nothing radical.
It's not the anti-Israel to say this, but Nikki Haley acted as if Ramaswamy just, I don't know, burned an Israeli flag or something.
Yeah, you know, and to me, you know, the principle of trading with people and having relationship with them, why can't that be with everybody other than those who, you know, the extremists are starting bombing you for some reason?
I mean, there's always an end point.
But for that part, and besides, there's no part of our Constitution that's spelled it out the proper way.
You take money from poor people in this country and give it to rich people around the world to fight their wars.
And it hardly ever helps anybody except some of our corporate interests.
You know, the military-industrial conflict.
Just think of the Ukraine war.
Has it really helped the Ukrainians?
Oh, 400,000 killed.
And it's the center of a world conflict right now that could get much worse.
So this to me makes no sense whatsoever.
So if you try to visualize, well, what would it be like if there was no empire like America to solve all these problems?
Well, you know, it's the empire that drives this thing.
You know, I think that's one of the things that, especially some of the hockey, especially the Stronghawks, it's sort of a patriotic thing that if you don't do it, if you, I recall that when I was involved more directly in this, that not supporting the wars meant you were unpatriotic in some way.
And you weren't supporting the troops.
You weren't supporting the taxpayers.
You weren't supporting the area of peace.
And you've given up and they've used all those wonderful reasons why you should have your blinders on, don't even think about it.
Continue with this aggravation and fighting that is liable to get out of hand.
And right now, we're still on the verge of that.
So I hope that between now and the election, there's a lot more common sense.
And we're going to continue to try to contribute to that because there could be a change.
And certainly there's going to be variations.
But I think that there is a growing, that doesn't mean they've been there all the time, but right now there are more Republicans are saying, you know, for pragmatic reasons or for whatever.
But if they've changed their position to being less authoritarian and less interventionist overseas, less spending overseas, less militarism, less support for the military-industrial complex, we don't have to talk about what they did 50 years ago.
No, that's such a great point, though, because it has been conventional wisdom.
If you're unpatriotic, if you don't support the American Empire, the U.S. Empire, and I think America has moved on, and that's what we see in the polls.
They don't want to run the world anymore.
They're concerned about things like Maui, you know, people getting 700 bucks in Maui.
Well, every citizen of Ukraine has the equivalent of $3,700 in our tax money.
One thing I want to add: no, there's a lot that don't want to anymore, but there's a lot realize we're not able to run anything because of the currency problems and our prestige around the world and the failure.
I mean, we're in the midst of a tremendous bankruptcy.
And so, yes, they don't want to for good reason because it doesn't make any sense.
The ones who want to are the ones who are getting rich.
I want to bring up another comment because there were so many good comments.
We could probably do a three-hour show just on comments.
But if you put on that next one, this is Max Blumenthal's tweet about it.
And Max, as everyone knows, will be speaking at the Ron Paul Institute Conference.
You won't want to miss him.
There's a link in the description to get a ticket.
But here's Max's take on it.
And I think it's great.
And I like it because it actually dovetails with what Glenn Greenwald said, which is this sounds like, this sounds old.
This sounds like stale bread.
Here's what he says.
Vivek won the GOP debate by exploiting the ever-growing gulf between the party base and the Republican elite on Ukraine and January 6th, which means Trump won because Vivek is acting as a proxy for the former president whose popularity stabilizes with each weekly indictment.
He goes on to say, the absence of Trump made the GOP feel like 1996 or 2008 minus Ron Paul.
A collection of consultant-driven has-beins and never will-be's hammering focus grouped talking points while a lukewarm crowd of consultants clapped along like captive seals clamoring for Chum.
It amounted to a slideshow moderated by the Fox News personalities most likely to be hired by CNN.
Tommy Thompson and Phil Graham could have been carted into the debate stage and little would have changed.
A very snappy answer.
Yeah.
And this will have to change, but it certainly would be an advantage to us if the respect for the Constitution was real.
The Constitution was mentioned a few times last night.
They generally do that.
But that doesn't mean that they're going to follow the Constitution.
It's just words.
Maybe they can find one little thing.
But, you know, the real enemies of liberty would totally destroy it, and that's their whole goal, is to get rid of the Constitution because the guidelines are there.
But you also have to have people wanting to come up with common sense.
And of course, the real enemy of liberty, I find, in government-run education.
And that's a perpetual problem that we have.
But there's some changes coming there, too.
Some people are getting sick and tired of the propaganda, especially in these social wars that are going on.
And the parents are waking up for trying to understand how harmful they are to their children.
The thing is, I think what this makes very, very clear, and I think it also exposes the strategy of a certain layer of the Democratic Party.
I think it makes very clear that the only way to stop Trump in this election is to arrest him and put him in jail.
I think that's what they think, because I think when they look at the 200 million people watching this show, as opposed to like five people watching the debate, there's just no comparison.
So I think that's why this push continues.
We've got to do something.
We did everything we could.
Trump would say they cheated.
Well, they certainly cheated all the four years of Trump's presidency by claiming that he was working for Russia, a total lie.
So they lied, they cheated, they stole.
The only thing they have left is to put him in jail.
And that seems very likely what they want to do.
Yeah, all these charges.
You know, he has about 90-some charges, maybe crimes that he has committed.
But the language that they use is always the insurrection.
He has created insurrection, and therefore we have found out in the Constitution, the 14th Amendment, that those who participated in the insurrection of the Civil War, you know, could never hold public office again.
And so they're trying to do that.
But it's such a lie because not only if they had one-tenth of what they say they have, they would probably charge him with it.
They totally ignore it.
So it's such a farce, and that's why we still need, they still need the Glenn Greenwalds and the Trumps out there making these states and Tucker, you know, getting the information out because truth will win out.
They just have to protect it and guide it.
But that is the thing that the authoritarians hate the most.
In an empire, truth becomes treasonous.
So they rewrite the rules and they continue to do that.
But they cannot rewrite eternal rules.
And I don't believe they can destroy all efforts by all people seeking and understanding what truth is really about, no matter how many times they recite their rituals.
Yeah.
Well, you make the great point.
And Trump also makes the point with Tucker.
And this is our final audio clip.
This is him and Tucker talking about these indictments, talking about what they're trying to do to him.
Let's play that whole third clip.
It's not too long, but I think he really does a great job here.
The people see it like this horrible district attorney from just a little while ago from essentially Atlanta.
It's Fulton County.
She said, basically, I don't have any right to challenge an election.
Well, what about Stacey Abrams?
What about Hillary Clinton?
What about all of these Democrats that are still challenging my election?
The same people that are saying, he's challenging an election, challenged my election.
And they did it with slates.
They did it with all sorts of things.
They were very bad, very bad about it.
But basically, they're suing me and they're saying, you don't have any right to challenge.
And if you challenge an election, we're going to indict you and put you in jail.
So what they're doing is they're really, they've weaponized, and don't kid yourself, the DOJ and Biden and the whole group, they're watching all of this.
One of the things I thought should have been done, I mean, it was out there, but it wasn't emphasized.
And the defense on the side of Trump should have been, and he just did it in many ways, but it should be simplified.
Our position is very simple.
Count all the votes.
That's all we're demanding is you count all the votes.
You can't cheat.
No, just count all the votes.
But if you just stuck to count all the votes, now who could be against that?
Well, the people who are losing because they want to change it.
But to turn that around and make it a crime where people are going to jail, you can't even be an advisor to the president.
They suffer the same consequences, you know, just because they advise the president.
It sort of reminds me of what happens in lockdown and the lockdown, that doctors couldn't even talk to their patients, even though they were prescribing drugs that were legal and good.
And at the same time, they'll put them in prison and punish them for this.
And there's supposed to be a doctor-patient relationship, too, on what is going on.
It shouldn't even be, the information shouldn't even be available.
Same way with anybody who had any association and maybe had a one-minute phone call with somebody 10 years ago.
Oh, yeah, it was collusion.
They're planning the insurrection.
Yeah.
Well, I think the thing about that clip is that America can see what Trump is saying because it's very simple.
How is it that Stacey Abrams and Hillary Clinton can do the exact same thing they're accusing me of doing, but they get off scot-free and I'm going to jail.
And I think most people, even people good-hearted on the other side, would say, you know, that does kind of make sense.
It doesn't seem fair.
People have a blind hatred for Trump and they can't see through that.
But I think the majority of rational people would say it's not fair.
You can't do that.
If challenging an election sends you to jail, we've got some big problems here.
Right.
And this is the whole thing.
This might be the biggest issue of the day: will the results of the election under today's rule, you know, next year, be acceptable as an honest election.
And I don't think, I don't, I wonder what the polls would show.
I bet, you know, not many Americans, not a high percentage of them, oh, yes, this is one thing that we have.
We have honesty in election.
So if we just have this honest election next year, and oh, yeah, but we have the judges, and Soros has, you know, taught these individuals to practice the law.
And all of a sudden, if we just have this election, the problems will be solved.
But I think that that is impossible.
I don't think the American people are anywhere close to that.
Matter of fact, as time goes on, I'm afraid the division on the trust in the election is going to be much worse because there will be more people see the inconsistency of the Hillary's getting off.
At the same time, finding out, well, you mean they didn't count all the votes in Arizona?
Yeah.
I think they missed a couple.
Yeah, a couple, yeah, exactly.
Well, let's put this next one on because I'll preface this by saying I've never been a big fan of Giuliani.
There's a lot of things about him I don't like, and I think that's true for a lot of Americans.
But put on this next clip because I think it's very important.
And this is Clint Russell of Liberty Lockdown.
I've been on his show.
He's a great pro-liberty podcaster.
And I think he makes some great points here.
Now, you can see this mugshot of Giuliani.
I kind of like that look.
It's sort of like a New York, you know, tough guy look.
But here's what Clint says.
Set aside how you feel about Giuliani.
Do you want to live in a country where your attorneys are prosecuted when they give you legal advice, where they rack up legal bills just for defending you?
Elite attorneys will turn you away.
You'll be helpless.
A weaponized judiciary is extraordinarily dangerous and must be fought back against hard, regardless of your political tribe.
This is a danger to everyone, to which I say, Clint, excellent job.
I think he really captures perfect.
It doesn't matter what you think about Giuliani.
And you know, the big difference is who has the guns, who has the most guns.
And I think there's a group of people in this country that would have no problem with taking away all the guns, except for these people who know exactly what's right and how the election should be run.
So this is something that I think is very, very dangerous because they're controlling the judicial system and they're controlling the political system, the educational system.
And yet, believe it or not, Daniel, I still have that seeking, not singing, but that good feeling that there's reasons to be hopeful.
The reason why I say hopeful is because I know and understand what true liberty is all about.
And the problem isn't saying, oh, liberty's bad.
It's only half good.
That's why we have to do ABC and all this stuff.
But liberty is so beneficial.
The only problem is, it's just waking up a few more people to accept the notion that the founders were on the right track instead of saying, well, if there's some things that are old-fashioned in the Constitution, there's a way you change it.
And it's not with guns.
It's not the way you take over the judicial system, the medical system, the educational system, and then take the guns away from the people.
And if you say anything, if you say boo, that you can't even talk to your attorney or it'll put the attorney in prison.
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Yeah, it's crazy.
It's crazy.
Well, you know, with that said, let's go to the next one.
Here's, I just picked NPR because what's happening the day after Trump's amazing triumph with the 200 million people watching his interview, he's going to have to march down to a courtroom and get a mugshot.
This is NPR.
Trump is likely to finally get his first real mugshot.
Does it matter?
Does it matter?
Yes, it does in a way, because I think not the way the NPR would like for it to matter.
And I'll just say one thing.
You know, I started watching the Rocky movies with my kids.
I think they're old enough now to watch it.
And it does remind me of Trump.
And Trump is sort of taking on that figure of Rocky.
He's beat up.
All the elites hate him.
He's punched up.
He's beat up.
But he triumphs in the end.
America loves that kind of story.
That's why the Rocky movies were enormously successful.
Everyone loves that.
And by attacking him, they're actually doing him such a favor because they're putting him in the role of Rocky.
That's a good analogy.
Yeah, I think that's perfect.
So, and, you know, it's sort of pulling for the underdog.
I don't watch sporting events closely.
I love sports and participated, and I like to watch the reviews, you know, but I don't sit and watch that all day.
But when the kids are watching and they're all gathered around watching this important football game, I only ask a couple questions.
Who's playing?
Where are they playing?
Who's the underdog?
And then I'm always pulling for the underdog because there's going to be a surprise.
Well, there's quite a few underdogs out there right now.
But maybe the sympathy for the underdog, like you say, the sympathy is growing for Trump, no matter how hard they, the more they beat him up, the more sympathy people have.
And once it overwhelms, you know, just like the politicians on that stage last night, they were cautious about expressing, they had to know what the political expression was, the support.
But the more pressure they get from the people, the more they're more likely to go and say, you know, enough is enough, and we better not do it because maybe he'll be president someday.
Well, I'm about to close out, Dr. Paul, if you think we're done.
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And I'm just going to, I have some really good news.
Just before the show started, I got an email from our PR guy, and he showed me, if you could put on that last clip, that the AP Associated Press has picked up a release about our upcoming conference.
This is great news for us.
AP writes, Colonel Doug McGregor and other freedom advocates to speak at the seventh annual Ron Paul Peace and Prosperity Conference in D.C.
A lot of people are going to see this release.
You do have an opportunity to get your tickets before they're gone and come to the event.
And again, in the description, I do have a link where you can grab those tickets.
There's a lot more interest now with Doug McGregor having been on taco just a couple of days before President Trump was on.
He's going to be there.
Max Blumenthal, as I mentioned, he's going to be literally everyone you want to hear from right now in this country is going to be there.
So you need to be there as well.
So get those tickets.
Dr. Paul.
Wonderful.
Looking forward to it.
You know, I just want to mention a total principle that will sort of be related to what we've been talking about.
Because I think the big picture is who writes our laws, because it was intended that the Congress would be writing the laws, and there'd be ways to sort this out.
And there would be separation of powers and all those things.
Everybody knows about, but the laws were not supposed to be written by the president, the executive branch, not the bureaucrats, and writing regulations.
And the courts weren't supposed to do that either.
But courts write laws too.
They don't just say, well, this is unconstitutional, it's a conflict.
They rewrite it too.
So they're involved.
And then this has been developed, and nobody even seems to question this anymore.
And the one person, a few, I don't want to say too many names, have suffered dire consequences because they fought the IRS by being unconstitutional on the collection of it, anyway, the collection of it.
But in the tax collection, which is a big deal, because I claim the income tax is a form of slavery.
The government owns everything you own, everything you earn, unless they allow you to keep a certain part.
But what about the IRS?
That principle is you're guilty until you prove yourself innocent.
And that's generally what happens now.
Okay, we have grand juries.
They're supposed to sort all that out and not be charged.
But the grand jury system, you know, you're guilty now.
And not many people can win a case after the grand jury, you know, rules on you.
But it's done in secret.
The opposition, the defenders, aren't even allowed to speak there.
So that is not a good system of justice.
And everything is affected by that because all the property arguments and contracts and wars and foreign policy and monetary policy all depend on who is the authority.
And I just think people should look at the system that we were given by the Constitution and the founders, and we could realize with more certainty that, you know, it's a pretty good system, but we haven't followed the rules, and that's why we're in such a mess.
I want to thank everybody for tuning in today to the Liberty Report.