As we learn more about the collusion between the Biden 2020 campaign and former senior US intelligence officials on the Hunter Biden laptop story, it seems more and more obvious that the US "deep state" played a major role in deciding who would win the election. Is an Administration that holds "democracy summits" to lecture the rest of the world actually guilty of undermining US democracy? Also today: US Afghan inspector general warns of massive Ukraine corruption. Finally: Biden Administration officials worried that a failed Ukraine counteroffensive will end US support for the
As we learn more about the collusion between the Biden 2020 campaign and former senior US intelligence officials on the Hunter Biden laptop story, it seems more and more obvious that the US "deep state" played a major role in deciding who would win the election. Is an Administration that holds "democracy summits" to lecture the rest of the world actually guilty of undermining US democracy? Also today: US Afghan inspector general warns of massive Ukraine corruption. Finally: Biden Administration officials worried that a failed Ukraine counteroffensive will end US support for the
Hello, everybody, and thank you for tuning in to the Liberty Report.
With us today, Daniel McAdams, our co-host.
Daniel, good to see you.
Good to see you, Dr. Paul.
Good to be back in the studio.
Oh, got you back.
It's sad that you had to make such a long trip, but we're glad you made it back here.
We were planning and still planning to talk about this major event going on about the analysis of the last presidential election, which is sort of fascinating.
It doesn't surprise everybody.
Everybody knew some of this corruption that existed, but some real evidence came out.
So I would have to admit, I keep arguing there's not too much difference between the two parties, but there is a little bit.
And I think Jim Jordan is not a Democrat.
He pursued it and got some really strong evidence.
But we'll talk about that.
But there was a flash of news here just a couple minutes ago that sort of is surprised, if nothing else.
And that is Tucker out at Fox.
Wow.
I wonder how many people predicted it yesterday.
I don't think there was any whispers that, oh, Tucker better watch out.
It might get fired.
But Tucker is his own story, and he's not going to get fired from the public view.
And people are still going to be interested.
So it'll be interesting to see what happens.
But it did come up rather suddenly, and you wonder how.
I think his show was doing pretty well.
He was catching on.
But then again, how do you figure this all out?
But there'll be a lot of speculation, and it might take a day or two to hear all the rumors and everything that went on.
Yeah, someone referred to it as an earthquake, and I would say definitely an earthquake.
I mean, I don't know if it's ever happened in history without some sort of major scandal that a person has the number one news program in the entire country and has had it for years.
And if he was fired and is fired for it, I mean, it's unprecedented.
Certainly, I mean, usually when you're successful in a business and you make a lot of money for your company, well, you actually do better rather than get fired.
So, you know, we can't really speculate.
We don't know what's behind it.
I think maybe you mentioned it a second ago that maybe he'll even make more money outside of Fox News nowadays because we see a lot of independent journalists making successful goes at it.
I don't think he's going to live in poverty.
No, I don't think so.
Maybe we'll get him to speak at our conference about censorship.
That would be a good one.
There you go.
Okay, well, let's go and talk about something else about what's going on and it has to do with the last presidential election and the laptop, the famous Hunter Budden's laptop.
And it turns out that the evidence is pretty strong.
And Jim Jordan, I think, gets the credit for getting this out and documenting what was going on.
And we also had some comments about this episode.
It's Matt Taibbi has an interesting take on this, and I think very objectively, but it sure paints a different picture.
And I can't see how anything like this hurts Trump.
It's not exactly what Trump was saying, but he said there was corruption about.
And it looks like it was, I don't know whether you have absolute proof of corruption, but there's a lot of hanky bank going around there, which was using lies and putting out information.
And I think this is going to be turning out to be big news.
And we'll just see what happens.
But I do think that the president is going to be dragged into it.
And I think Taibbi was the one that compared it to Watergate.
He says, this is so much bigger if certain things happen.
He didn't make the declaration.
But if ABC occurs, this is much bigger than Watergate.
But I think we've heard that statement already by people who thought what was going on was pretty big.
And compared to Watergate, it wasn't, you know, it was a lot bigger than what Watergate was.
Yeah, and interesting, ironically, I think you covered this too in your piece today, is that the same media that colluded to keep the story of Hunter Biden's laptop off of our view are now colluding to keep the story of them, keeping the story out of our view.
That is amazing.
So they're doing their best.
So you say it's going to be big.
And I know that you're right in a normal world, but this is so far from a normal world.
They're so desperate to hide the fact that what happened.
And I'm sure a lot of our viewers know this very well.
But essentially, here's what happened.
It's just a couple of weeks before the election.
Hunter Biden's laptop gets out there.
The New York Post does an article on it.
And Blinken, who now is our Secretary of State, but then he was a senior official on the campaign, he calls up his old buddy Mike Morrell, who was acting director of the CIA and a career CIA officer who viscerally hated Trump.
He said that he lied and said that Trump was an agent of Putin.
So this guy has it in for Trump.
And he also still has ambitions to head the CIA properly, not just as acting director.
So Blinken calls up and says, hey, we've got a problem here.
We've got this New York Post story out.
I guess Hunter's in trouble.
You wouldn't believe the stuff he's up to.
You wouldn't believe the stuff that my boss is up to.
We need to do something about this.
And apparently, according, and we have some of the transcript, according to the transcript, Morrell then got an idea.
Hey, I know what we can do.
I can call up my buddies in the deep state and we can bury this thing just like we bury the bodies when we have a coup overseas.
So they write this letter.
51 former members of the intelligence community sign it with their titles.
And there you go.
It kills the story.
You know, we're assuming this is probably true and it'll be in the news and it's going to be part of history.
But isn't it amazing?
He didn't call up two or three people that he thought he had special favors that he had.
50 of them.
So it's ingrained in the whole system.
And they, of course, are all related, not all, but it's very much the CIA is involved, which is fitting into my scenario that the coup has already occurred and it's continuing.
And the coup, the CIA is usually involved in our foreign policy, our domestic policies, assassinations, the whole works.
But this won't be enough.
I wanted to make one comment about something that Taibbi wrote because he was comparing censorship along with the Biden campaign and the corruption there.
And he's here.
He makes the comparison.
He says, the seriousness of the actual laptop surreally, at least what's been disclosed so far, is still not clear.
He's cautious.
I've long thought the suppression of it by Facebook and Twitter had clearer import.
Being a historic censorship first.
However, if it can be proven that the Russian disinformation whopper has laid on the table at the behest of the Biden campaign with the aid of the intelligence community, that escalation escalates things to a new level of scandal far above the censoring issue.
And that people ought to pay attention.
And yet, like you say, they're still saying they're using the same people to cover up the story.
Still less story.
I'm afraid they'll get around to killing people, too.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, those 50 members certainly should be ashamed of themselves.
They didn't do their due diligence.
Some of them, I'm sure, were happy to help.
Michael Hayden, of course, who viscally hates Trump.
You don't have to love Trump to say that this was wrong.
You know, all of these people are guilty of manipulating the elections.
They do the very same thing that they claim the Russians do, which is to put out disinformation to manipulate the American voters.
Well, Jordan, as you pointed out earlier in your statement, is doing something to get to the bottom of this.
And this whole thing came out because there was a private deposition, the Mike Morrell private interview with the committee, the Judiciary Committee, where he admitted these things.
And this is why we're talking about it.
And maybe it's a little bit of revenge because he thought he was going to be CIA director and he didn't get it.
Blinken got his plum job for doing this whole thing.
Morrell didn't.
Put this up because here's the letter that Jordan put out at the end of the week last week.
And this is where most of this info is contained.
He sent a letter to Tony Blinken asking him to clarify what's going on with this.
Here is the testimony of Mike Morrell.
We need some information from you, Tony Blinken.
And here's the importance of the letter, Dr. Paul, because they knew there was going to be a debate between Trump and Biden.
It was coming up in a matter of days.
This letter allowed Biden to say this when he was cornered by Trump about the laptop.
Put up this next one.
Now, this is the critical importance.
When he was cornered by Trump about the laptop story, because of the letter, Biden could say, look, there are 50 former national intelligence folks who said that what Trump is accusing me of is a Russian plan.
They have said this, has all the characteristics.
Four or five former heads of the CIA, both parties, say what he's saying is a bunch of garbage.
Nobody believes him except his good friend, Rudy Giuliani.
Now, that's the only reason Biden could say that is because of the letter.
Of course, we know now that that was all a huge lie and it was Hunter's laptop indeed.
Back to the 50.
I think that is confirmation that there's deep corruption in Washington, deep corruption in the CIA.
I don't know how many of them were part of the CIA, but if they weren't friendly to the CIA, they weren't going to be asked to sign the letter.
They had to be authority, you know, understanding all this and the proof positive.
And I would, and I think the evidence and the statistics and the investigation shows that the letter played an important role.
People did change their mind.
And people want to believe.
And they set the stage and they were ready for that.
They heard the story, oh, I guess I'll go with Biden or something like that.
Well, you know, we were also prepared for years that the Russians are everywhere.
They're interfering in our elections.
They're under our beds.
They're stealing our bodily fluids.
This is over and over.
So when another one comes, oh, that just reaffirms what we thought.
You know, Trump is in Putin's pocket, all a pack of lies.
Turn on the next one.
Now, this is the same letter that Jordan sent to Tony Blinken, who, if I were him in a normal time, I would feel like I'm in hot water.
But the letter that Jordan says, subsequent reporting revealed that the New York Post story was not the public, as the public statement claimed, and then Vice President Biden parroted part of a Russian disinformation camp originally.
This revelation nearly two years later, after the fact, however, was little consolation.
Of course not, because Biden won the election.
Now go to the next one if you can, because this is the important part of the interview of Mike Morrell.
So he's being asked by the Judiciary Committee, but prior to Secretary Blinken's call, did you have any intention to write this statement?
He said, I did not.
Question.
Okay, so his call triggered?
It did, yes.
Intent in you?
Yes, it did.
So it triggered the intent to write it.
Now go to the next one.
This is him also the state.
This is also the letter from Jordan.
Morell further explained that one of his two goals in releasing the statement was to help then vice president in the debate and to assist him in winning the election.
He testified.
Now here is Morrell who wrote, who drafted the letter.
What was the intent of the statement?
Morell says there were two intents.
One intent was to share our concern with the American people that the Russians were playing on the issue.
And two, it was to help Vice President Biden.
Chairman Jordan, you wanted to help the president.
Why?
Mike Morrell.
Because I wanted him to win the election.
Chairman Jordan, you wanted him to win.
That's why?
Mike Morrell.
Yes, sir.
So he did it openly because he wanted to influence the election.
Yeah, it's interesting.
They always should look for motives for why people do bad things.
And I don't think you have to look very much further if it's proven that this is corruption and evil and broke laws.
What was your intent?
I just want him to win, regardless of how we do it.
So I think it's a revelation.
You would think that our side would keep gaining and wake people up that slow, one at a time, ten at a time.
But I think, you know, wouldn't it be ironic that their plan and what they did, what Morrell was doing and Blanken was doing, was a tremendous success.
Can you believe what we did?
We won the election by putting our candidate in the basement.
Yeah, yeah.
But what if it turns out, maybe fairness takes a while to work and say, what if it turns out that this whole incident, now that it has been exposed, might be the critical point that Trump beats him in the next election, which is always possible.
But I'm not predicting it.
Yeah, we don't know.
And I just wanted to go on this letter a little bit more before we move on, though, because, so this is the letter, again, this is Jim Jordan telling Blinken, hey, we need some info.
Who else did you talk to?
What else did you do in the campaign to try to influence this?
And this is the part that really gets me, Dr. Paul, and I'm sure you're going to agree with me.
This, I think, is the most disgraceful, un-American, disrespectful part of it.
This is what Jordan writes to Blinken.
Although the statement signatories have an unquestioned right to free speech and free association, which we do not dispute, and this is critical, their reference to their national security credentials lent weight to the story and suggested access to specialized information unavailable to other Americans.
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That is so critical.
Mike Hayden believes it.
Clapper believes it.
These guys have access to everything.
There's no way that I can challenge that.
That's exactly why they did it.
More proof of there's a deep state there.
Our government doesn't represent us.
They don't care about the Constitution.
And the amazing thing is that we get bits and pieces here that really verifies what people have suspected for a long time.
You know how much interest I've had in about, you know, what happened in the 60s, the various assassinations and all.
And here, but people just are lackadaisically going to go along with it and just think, oh, how could we be safe without the CIA, you know, protecting us?
I mean, they would probably be invading Washington, D.C. next week if they didn't have the CIA.
Somebody else invaded it, but it was secret.
It was surreptitious.
And there was a coup and there was a takeover and they didn't even use one tank.
But there's a lot of control.
When you think somebody that can be the president and they can't even depend on their security forces, the security, when they turn against the president and the president has no control over that group of people, you know, that there is a deep state fully in charge of the government.
And that is why, you know, it's great.
You know, I don't expect miracles that Republicans are in and are going to balance the budget.
But Jim Jordan is an honest person and determined, and he's smart too.
And he got this out and it's evidence right now.
And he won't be stopping.
I think he'll continue.
And wish him well in seeking the truth.
Yeah, and I just want to close it out with one thing because we should emphasize we don't know this would change the election if it had been known.
There is a very good chance, and there's some evidence to back it up, though again, you don't know.
You never know how people are going to behave.
There are too many variables.
But if you can skip ahead a couple to the slide that says shock poll.
This was taken after it became known that the laptop was actually true.
Shock poll.
Eight in ten think Biden laptop cover-up changed election.
Now again, that's not evidence that people would have voted differently, but a very, very large majority of people think that it did change things.
Here's the Daily Mail with their take on that poll.
If you can go to the next one.
Exclusive, if only we'd known.
Three-quarters of survey respondents say voters lacked critical information about Hunter Biden laptop during the 2020 elections and half would have voted differently.
That's fascinating.
And here is that question.
And here's a chart of that question, if we can put that up.
There's a dramatic representation.
Did the FBI and intelligence community deliberately mislead the public when they claimed the laptop was disinformation?
This is a base of 501 adults following the story.
Again, it's just a poll, but it says something.
Overall, 67% said so.
But even among Democrats, 53% basically are saying that the deep state had a coup.
They misled the public.
They passed on disinformation that the laptop was disinformation.
And of course, when you go to Republicans, it's 82%.
But overall, 67%, two-thirds of the American people believe that the Deep State played a role in the election by lying to the American people about something that may have changed the result.
Counteroffensive Challenges00:08:05
That's really significant.
Well, the group was successful in twisting the truth back then and it made a difference in the election.
You mentioned on your opening statement, well, the same group's trying to bury this revelation into telling the truth and do it again.
So that's a test on our journalism.
Not so much good journalism.
It's the test on will the government still remain in control of it because the social media was involved and they still are.
There's tremendous pressure on there.
So it's a test on whether our system to continue to work.
And there have been many who have said in the past that if you don't have a free press and good journalism and you don't put them in jail for telling us the truth, it's very, very difficult to maintain an honest society and an honest government.
And right now we're in dire straits.
Yeah, it's funny.
You know, the U.S. holds these democracy summits where they invite all these countries except the ones that aren't toying the line like Hungary.
And they say, rah, rah, we're the great Democrats.
And it turns out Biden lecturing the rest of them, he may be guilty of something, as you say, Matt Taibi says, kind of sounds a lot worse than Watergate.
Well, let's move on now.
This is a big story, and we're going to keep covering it.
I think this is one of the biggest ones we've covered.
But go to the next one because we also cover this a lot.
Now, this is John Sopko.
He was a special inspector general for Afghan Reconstruction.
He's one of the few federal employees, Dr. Paul, who's made a point of telling the truth.
He tracked every penny, I think, in Afghanistan and showed the absolute depths of the corruption of the billions and billions we kept spending over there.
He put it all out on paper.
These reports that was commissioned by Congress, I think back in 2006, if I'm not mistaken.
This is the same kind of position that Senator Paul and a few others wanted to have with Ukraine, and they laughed him off the stage for wanting to have some accountability.
Well, here's this guy, honest, honest person.
He says, you're going to see pilferage of Ukraine aid.
John Sopko said, explaining why more oversight on Ukraine policy is needed, Sapko pointed to the fact that the U.S. has already authorized $113 billion in spending quote.
He says, that money is flowing like mana from the sky.
If you don't get in there soon, you're going to see pilferage.
And go to the next one.
Here's he follows up and says some more.
He pointed to the fact that USAID, this is mantawar.com, USAID was overseeing aid that's paying the salaries of Ukrainian government workers.
Now, he already saw this before.
In Afghanistan, he said the Pentagon directed paying government salaries, but they could never come up with a system to make sure the U.S. wasn't paying the salaries, was paying the salaries of real Afghans.
Sopko says, well, have you heard anybody saying, what's the system they have in place to ensure they're not paying ghost Ukrainian civil servants, ghost Ukrainian police, ghost Ukrainian soldiers, he said.
He also said USAID has a poor track record on ghosts and on oversight, and added that the State Department is even worse.
So basically, the only thing we have that we can reassure ourselves is that Ukraine is well known as being a country without any hint of corruption.
Well, you know, you were impressed with his credentials and they are impressive and he's rarely in that position.
But I thought what his one amazing successes was, he's been there since 2012.
How did he last through that?
Because we knew a lot of people who had been in that position and they weren't there.
Sometimes they get punished for being there and telling the truth about what's happening, where the money's going, and what's happening to the weapon.
So he must be a survivor to be able to do it.
Telling the truth.
We wish him well too.
Yeah, I mean, we wish we should move him over to Ukraine and find out what's going on.
That's when they put their foot down.
We don't want the truth.
Yeah, we don't want the truth.
What would happen?
So while we're on Ukraine, though, this is our final piece, because we've talked about this on the show before, but what we've learned from these so-called leaks, and people like Larry Johnson, who's been in our conferences, and he will speak again at our conferences, former CIA officer, he doesn't buy this thing.
He thinks that this is a controlled leak for damage control in the Biden administration.
Whatever you want to look at it, we know now what they're thinking rather than what they're saying.
And behind the scenes, they realize that things are not going well.
And this big hyped counteroffensive in Ukraine, we know from the leaks, is not going to go well.
They don't expect it to go well.
Well, what are they doing?
Now they're in panic mode.
All of these incompetence, people like Blinken, Jake Sullivan, who have no real national security experience, they're just hangers on who are around Clinton and Obama.
And they somehow got these jobs and were dragging us into war.
Put on this next clip because this is from Politico.
And it says, this is from today.
Biden's team fears the aftermath of a failed Ukrainian counteroffensive.
And we know, despite what they said in public, that the counteroffensive is not going as planned.
Let's do the next clip if you can, because this will lay it out for you, Dr. Paul.
He says the Biden administration is quietly preparing for the possibility that if Ukraine's spring counteroffensive falls short of expectations, critics at home and allies abroad will argue that America has come up short too.
I think we would argue that America has taken on a massively disastrous policy.
All of a sudden, there's going to be a tet offensive.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But once again, defeat sometimes can be identified very early.
We know some military people that knew that defeat would be there once it started.
And that has been the case.
There's others who have talked about defeat in the Middle East.
And after a while, they finally admit it.
And I was thinking, declaring defeat, now there's hints.
They're putting it out there, trying to prepare the people saying, well, there's going to be a defeat, but we're going to pick up the pieces and we're going to survive.
They're already talking about the contracts for rebuilding the country.
And that's sick.
But declaring defeat under these circumstances, you know, even in the media now, you have hints that, you know, things aren't going well and they're going to have to admit it.
And I got to thinking, you know, when they get in these messes that they shouldn't be in, they waste all this time, money, and lives.
And it takes them years and years to do it, to make the declaration.
And the money keeps pouring out.
And then they, well, we'll just shift.
We rebuilt countries too.
And they literally use this thing.
We can't.
There was an argument about the Middle East, why we had to go in there, because we had to assume some responsibility.
Yeah, you would.
But if you ever paid for all the damage that we have done to a country, it'd be a long way.
I wonder when we'll pay for that pipeline we blew up.
Oh, you don't want to assume they did.
Maybe, maybe we blew it up.
They wouldn't do such a thing, would they?
Well, here's the next one.
Here's what a top-secret assessment from early February stated that Ukraine would fall well short of its counteroffensive goals.
That's what I was mentioning earlier.
We knew that they were going to fall short.
More current American assessments are that Ukraine may make some progress in the South and East, but won't be able to repeat last year's successes.
And here's from the same article in Politico.
Moreover, if we can put that next one up, please.
There we go.
Thanks.
Moreover, U.S. intelligence indicates that Ukraine simply does not have the ability to push Russian troops from where they're deeply entrenched.
And a similar feeling has taken hold about the battlefield elsewhere in Ukraine, according to officials.
And here's the reason I did this clip.
Ukrainian President Zelensky says the U.S. hasn't adequately armed his forces properly.
So until then, the counteroffensive can't win.
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So it's all our fault, Dr. Paul.
We're the reason they can't take this back.
We simply haven't.
That $100 billion, of which I think half is probably in his bank account, that's just not enough.
We need to give more, send more money, send more weapons.
Otherwise, it's your fault that the Russians are winning.
There's more than Zelensky.
He's a spokesman for a lot of people who want going on, even like our military-industrial complex.
They want it to continue, and they claim that it's always not enough weapons and not enough money, and not enough people have been killed yet.
But that's exactly what they said in Vietnam.
I worked in the Congress a little bit, or at least I spent some time there.
And I would talk to people who were hawkish in a quiet conversation.
Yeah, Ron, maybe you have a point there.
But you know what?
We really just surrendered too soon.
If we have only spent more money and more weapons, they didn't say kill more people on both sides.
They didn't say that.
But this is sort of the preparations.
There will be a defeat, but it's the fact that we didn't fight it all the way out and drop 17 nuclear weapons on Ukraine.
They'll find another excuse.
Yeah, yeah.
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And Dr. Paul, I'm going to finish the show by saying I'm glad to be back in the studio.
It's very hard to do the show remotely, as I'm sure you know.
It's hard to concentrate.
We put a lot of work into it.
And we appreciate our viewers who were patient with, let's put it this way, a less than attractive studio from where I was.
But I do want to remind you we're back on track and put that last clip up that we will have a conference.
I mean, everything that's coming up in the news makes it more and more important that we're going to get together and have great speakers.
If you can put that last clip up, please.
They lie.
Every day this gets more relevant.
Nihilism in the war on truth.
I can't think of anything more nihilistic than the intelligence community overthrowing elections in the U.S.
It's bad enough.
They do it in Guatemala or wherever.
So anyway, I will put a link to where you can get more information on our Houston conference, June 3rd.
Great speakers.
The topics are going to be ripped from the headlines.
We're going to hear some great stuff and get together and meet each other.
Dr. Paul, back over to you.
Very good.
I was just thinking as you were saying that about lying.
What if they come around to believing and understanding that if they, in Washington, if they, or anybody that takes a position that bends or ignores the Constitution?
And so what if all those votes are lying?
Boy, there's a lot of guilt to argue around there.
But you know what?
That's not difficult.
What I found out they do in Washington, they just change.
They can change the definition and the explanation and what the Constitution says.
Oh, they believe they're strict constitutionalists because it's a living document and you can't be overly rigid with the Constitution.
But they never, they have no guilt.
They do not even think about whether it's right or wrong.
It's what is best political.
I think today I'd like to make the exception for Jim Jordan because I think he is in the right track and I'm glad he's in that position where he's going to pursue the truth and I think we can rely on what he finds.
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But it's been great that we got through this week.
And Daniel, I do want to mention Chris Grazini, who's way off in New Jersey someplace.
I hope he doesn't get upset about us telling you where he lives.
But I know, Chris has been with us from the beginning, and he's a jack of all trades, whatever we need him to do.
So I hate to tell you, Daniel, he filled in a little bit for you, and he did a good job, and we want to thank him.
And he comes to our conferences and participates.
So maybe people will meet the whole staff there.
He'll get mopped.
He does a great job.
But I do want to thank everybody for tuning in today.