Over the weekend we saw the largest leak of classified US government documents since Wikileaks. Ukraine assessments. China policy. Even spying on allies. Who leaked these hundreds of highly classified US Intelligence assessments? Pentagon? CIA? Putin? Ukraine? Europe? Most importantly: why? Also today...US threatens Europe over RU sanctions and Republicans want to bomb Mexico.
Over the weekend we saw the largest leak of classified US government documents since Wikileaks. Ukraine assessments. China policy. Even spying on allies. Who leaked these hundreds of highly classified US Intelligence assessments? Pentagon? CIA? Putin? Ukraine? Europe? Most importantly: why? Also today...US threatens Europe over RU sanctions and Republicans want to bomb Mexico.
Hello, everybody, and thank you for tuning in to the Liberty Report.
With us today, Daniel McAdams, our co-host.
Daniel, good to see you this morning.
Good morning, Dr. Paul.
How are you?
Doing well.
Doing well.
We've got a spy story today.
Yeah, we've got to find out who's spying on us.
They're not even spying on us.
We're just supposed to explain why they're spying.
But that's sort of traditional.
They're always spying not only on their enemies, they spy on their friends and everybody else.
I mean, this breaking story that's happening here, it isn't just spying to find out what the Russians are doing because they're the defined enemy.
But they're spying on Israel and everybody else, you know, and then they spy on Zelensky.
I keep thinking he shouldn't feel all that safe because, you know, back in the 60s, they were spying on Diem.
Yeah.
And it was the CIA that participated in his assassination.
So I guess when I was looking at this, Daniel, and all the activities going on, there's so-called information about we saw this, we saw this.
But I said, so what?
They were going to say we have special forces over there.
Well, you know, if somebody came up here and said, we have proof, of course, this would be a negative.
We have proof that there are no special forces, no CIA agents in all of Ukraine.
That would be news if it were believable.
So they're coming up, and there's a strategy by somebody.
This is supposed to help somebody and hurt somebody.
You know, transparency shouldn't hurt people.
So if you're anti-war, maybe there'll be something come out of here that actually, you know, lets people know that, you know, Ukraine's not on the verge of victory.
I think that's been hinted anyway.
And I don't think this verified that Ukraine is a lot stronger than they thought.
So we have to look at it and try to anticipate, and maybe we'll get more information.
But it's typical stuff.
And what I'm more interested in is what has our government does.
Now, this is not quite like a whistleblower, you know, somebody breaking rans.
Maybe it will turn out there's somebody that did this, but we don't know who released it and what.
Maybe it was just our security forces spying on, they skipped spying on innocent American citizens.
They didn't have anybody to spy on.
Maybe they still are spying on somebody from January 6th information because they still think they're going to arrest more people over that.
So the information, I guess the release, whether the information is all that sound and exciting is going to change the world, is still important.
Why are they doing that?
That was my first question this morning when we started talking.
I said, who's going to benefit and who's going to suffer from this?
And so far, I still don't know for sure who's going to suffer the most.
Yeah, I mean, the operative term, I think, is we don't know.
And in some ways, it doesn't really matter the details.
There weren't any enormous revelations.
Anyone who pays remote attention to what's going on in Ukraine, anyone who bothers to look beyond the talking points put out by the Pentagon and the mainstream media, or do I repeat myself?
Anyone who goes beyond that, this is not going to be a huge revelation.
So we don't have any answers.
We don't know who did it.
We don't know why exactly.
But when something like this happens, short of a real revelation like we saw from Wikileaks, and by the way, this is the largest release of classified information since WikiLeaks.
I've seen hundreds of documents, and you're right, it started with just Ukraine.
I think that was on Thursday, and then more surfaced Friday and Saturday, and they dealt with China, they dealt with East Asia, they dealt with everywhere.
So the question is, we don't know who did it.
We don't know why.
But the process of trying to figure it out in itself is fascinating.
And a couple of things that we do know, the photos of the slides, so these were photographs taken of folded up slides of the kind that the Pentagon do.
They love to do these PowerPoint presentations.
It sort of looked like that.
I know a little bit about classified markings, and the markings on top did look authentic, the kinds of things that you put on these documents, no foreign N-O-F-O-R-N, for example, meaning they can't be shared with foreign non-U.S. nationals, et cetera, et cetera.
So they've been sitting around for months and maybe even longer, and all of a sudden they surfaced.
The New York Times did a piece, I think, on Saturday on it.
So another big question we have is, so why all of a sudden did they surface?
Have they been kind of percolating around in these dark corners of the internet for weeks or even months?
Why now?
What does it mean?
Who leaked it?
Why?
And we have a lot of suspects, but we know right now, if you could put on that first clip, because this is a pretty good summary on Zero Hedge, the DOJ races to find sources of leaked Pentagon documents.
The suspicion is that it was someone within the Pentagon because of the nature of the documents, Dr. Paul.
These are of a classification that they don't just sort of pop around here and there.
They're usually, you have to read them in a skiff, which is a very special sensitive room.
You can't just do like Sonny Berger, Sandy Berger did and shove them down your pant leg, although it appears like someone may have done that.
So the long and short of it, just for my introduction, Dr. Paul, is we don't know, but that's sort of what's interesting about it.
Right.
You know, we're sort of discussing this so far that this has been released by experienced spies.
They're shrewd and sharp, and now they have a strategy, and they're going to release it and go on at that effort.
But I keep thinking, you know, maybe there's a little bit of plain old ineptness.
You know, they're not brilliant.
And they might, if I think, you say, oh, no, nothing happens by accident.
But I would have to use the briefcase with Honor Biden as an example of that there was not a lot of strategy behind that, I don't think, who knows.
But there will be some ineptness on why this thing breaks through.
But it's traditional, and my whole thought was, you know, oh, there's special forces, there's FBI, CIA agents in Ukraine, and they're spying on the Russians.
And then they're spying on the European, they're supply, they're spying on Zelensky.
Everybody's getting spied on.
And it turned out that some of these authorities given to spy on foreigners, you know, sometimes it branches over.
They actually spy on American citizens, too.
They set up the authority to do it.
Then all of a sudden they branch out and do whatever they want.
So that the system is not a good system for us.
And unfortunately, I work under the belief that the control in government has been taken over by others and are in positions of authority who are supposed to be wise judgers of how to provide liberty and protect us.
There's not a whole lot of that up in Washington.
Yeah.
And I put together kind of a short whodunit and why list.
And so there are a lot of possibilities that we can ponder, Dr. Paul.
And one of them is that the first one would be that this is a U.S. administration leak on purpose, meaning the Biden administration leaked this on purpose as a way of extricating itself from a failed policy in Ukraine.
This provides ample material if you just look at it.
And this would assume it could be accurate or inaccurate information if this is the scenario, where it talks about how Ukraine is running out of air defense missiles, Ukraine is not clearly not winning, et cetera, et cetera.
These little things in there, if these are leaked out, it can give the U.S. administration a way out.
So that's one possibility.
I think the other one would be that there was a single whistleblower maybe in the Pentagon who's seeking to sober up the White House that's really drunk on war with Russia, which I think there are plenty of sound minds in the Pentagon.
There are plenty of patriotic people in the Pentagon who are smart people and who realize, remember when Scott Ritter was at our conference last year, he said that Biden is writing checks that the Pentagon can't cash.
And I think there are people at the Pentagon who know that.
So there could be one person who's wanting to get this information out.
That may be possible.
Who knows?
It could have been leaked by Russia.
These whole things could be fake.
I mean, if this was a Russia link, you would have to assume that these numbers were all made up.
It could be.
In fact, we have Thomas Lipscomb did a piece for Sonar 21, our friend Larry Johnson, where he's speculating that maybe it was Putin who leaked it because it provides an ample sort of legal bill of particulars about how deeply involved the U.S. government and U.S. military is in planning.
And that's the one thing that struck me.
And I didn't read all the documents because, frankly, I don't think there was that much there, and I don't like PowerPoint type of presentations.
But one of the things that did strike me, if you look at some of them, is how deeply and intricately the U.S. government and the Pentagon is involved in planning Ukraine's military operations.
Literally, the military forces in Ukraine are an arm of the Pentagon.
And so if you want to get that out, well, this is one way to do it.
You can make your legal case.
This is not, we're not fighting Ukraine.
We're fighting NATO, which is what Putin said all along.
So there's another possibility.
There are many, many other ones.
But you have to ask yourself who did it, why, were they authentic?
It certainly looks like the documents themselves were authentic in their layout.
Is the information authentic?
So many questions that it brings up, but it's fascinating to see.
I also think that there's people in the spy agencies that get a charge out of it.
I think it's sort of an emotional, psychological thing there.
I read one time, long time ago, but I don't know if this is accurate or not, but a certain percentage of people who join the military have psychopathy tendencies.
It's not like 50%.
It's like 3, 4, 5% of the people that go there really have this attitude.
But we have some of those people in the planning stages.
It just seems like they're obsessed with how are we going to get a war story with China?
How are we going to get a war star with Russia?
But the whole thing is, is there's all this discussion that we're going through and somebody getting a charge or a whistleblower?
Whose side are we on?
Because the prevention of this, and I keep thinking that we talked about preventing 20 years of war in the Middle East.
And that is, just have a different foreign policy.
So, yeah, we complained a whole lot in 2014, but of course nobody was listening.
But we wouldn't have been involved.
We wouldn't have gone through a coup.
We wouldn't have been the one that put these guys in charge and gave us the excuse to spend all this money.
And now they're arguing over how many, which thousands of reports or people died on which side, you know, who you guys lost 20,000, oh, you lost 110,000.
This thing going back and forth.
But it's all preventable.
I mean, but now I say, why didn't we just quit in 2014?
That would have been a good thing if we just stay away from the taking over and taking over Ukraine and guaranteeing all this spending and everything else.
But to really prevent it on the long term, you have to get people who support the idea of minding our own business.
You know, just not having this interventionist foreign policy and that they shouldn't believe all the lies that maybe our government tells us.
You know, they do tell us a few lies now and then.
And they have to build up the danger.
They have to scare you, whether it's COVID or the Russians.
You have to be scared.
And now it's combined.
Right now, I guess we're supposed to really worry more about China.
And then we see some of our people going over there just looking for a fight over Taiwan, which otherwise they say, oh, we'll be described as wimps and weaklings and not patriotic.
And you have to be strong.
Well, maybe at times it takes strength to do the right thing and just mind your own business.
Yeah, looking for a war with China that they will lose.
The military will lose this war if they do it.
And that will really make you look weak.
But as I mentioned, there aren't really many juicy bits in the information released.
But there are a couple of things that are worth noticing, I think.
One of them is if we can put up the next clip, a couple of things, and just go over them really quickly because it's worth thinking about.
Among other things, Friday's documents suggest Ukraine's robust Soviet-era air defenses, which have thus far minimized the participation of Russian aircraft, could run out of ammunition in the next several weeks.
They are getting ground down.
They're losing their ability to deter Russian aircraft, and that will change the war significantly.
Basically, we knew that.
But here's another juicy one.
Put this next one up because this is something that's fascinating.
Another document, a purported CIA intelligence update, claims that Israel's Mossad supported protests against Prime Minister Netanyahu's Supreme Court reform scheme.
Now, Netanyahu dismissed it, saying it's mendacious and without any foundation whatsoever.
Nevertheless, if I'm Benjamin Netanyahu and I'm reading this release, I'm starting to think, well, what the heck is going on here?
They say they support me, and there are a lot of people that believe the Biden administration was behind the uprising against Netanyahu that happened a couple of weeks ago.
So that is really fascinating.
And the other possibility is that it is true, and there is a deeper internal conflict in Israel that could lead, who knows, to a civil war there.
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But that's believable.
It shouldn't be a total shock because when you think that the United States, the leader of the free world, you know, they participate in that too.
They end up participating and spying on our own people.
So it's something that we shouldn't be too surprised at what happens here because it happens.
We've done it and they've done it.
And yet it has to be a surprise and it has to be fear.
And you better get ready.
But then again, I just keep going back.
Don't sweat it.
It's going to end.
And right now, daily you read about what week is the dollar going to end as a reserve currency.
What week will we lose a military battle?
Well, when has there been, I guess since World War II, we really don't win wars anymore.
And I don't want to win war.
I want to avoid them.
Yeah.
Well, the other thing that came out is this evidence that the Pentagon is relying on bogus KIA numbers and wounded in action numbers.
And what's interesting about that is, and it's also dangerous, is if you look at the document, it shows that the source of the killed and wounded on Ukraine's side and on the Russian side is given to them by Ukrainian officials.
So if you believe Ukraine's officials, they obviously, even if they're honest people, they have all the incentive in the world to minimize their killed and wounded.
But if you take that as gospel, and actually if you look at the document, the intelligence community says we view this as something with very low level of confidence.
So we don't even have confidence in it.
Yet we're passing it on.
Yes, it's being passed to the media that they have much lower killed in action than has been widely fought and even admitted by some in the Pentagon.
So that's another fascinating thing.
And the other would be, of course, that we're spying.
And you're right.
I mean, this is not a revelation, but we're spying on South Korea.
We have an internal discussion in our intelligence community about how South Korea seems to be wary of handing over more weapons.
Of course, they have a policy to not send weapons to a war zone.
So all of these things are coming out.
Again, I guess the final word in my mind is why and to what end and what does it mean?
Who's responsible?
And I think something more will come of it, and then we'll look back and, oh, now we understand this strategy a little bit differently.
But I still hold back that there's always the possibility of pure stupidity is doing it.
And it's also part of the strategy of cultural Marxists.
So, you know, whether it's domestic or international, if they can create chaos, so they're not interested in national defense and protecting whistleblowers and all these other things.
They like chaos, and it's done on purpose.
And because, you know, some of the things done, well, it's been done bipartisan, but really with the group that we have in charge right now, there's no other reason you can even conceive of how can they be that, they can't be that dumb.
You know, the energy policy has to be one of the ones.
Now they're taking what the cooking utensils away from it.
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All these things, we're going to take it away, and that's what we're going to save the world.
But it's disgusting.
It's kooky.
Well, let's move on, you know, and we'll keep an eye on this, and we'll update it, you know, this week as things happen.
But let's go to that next clip.
This is the next story, and this is from our good friends at anti-war.com.
Keep going if you can.
One more and one more, actually.
There we go.
This is from Kyle Anzalone.
U.S. will threaten Europe to implement sanctions on Russia.
Now, this sounds a little bit like desperation, Dr. Paul, because even while we're blowing up their pipelines, we're still pretending that we're good buddies.
And by the way, I did want to say that about these leaks.
I mean, an administration will blow up pipelines, will blow up anything.
So we should, nothing should be off the table.
But if you can put that back up, so when they're trying to strong-arm the Europeans, because the Europeans are desperate, they're trying to find a way to, you know, to get enough oil.
They rely on Russia for a lot of things.
Uranium is one.
There are many, many things.
There's too much to go into.
But here's what Kyle wrote in anti-war.
The White House plans to send a clear message to its European partners.
Now, Dr. Paul, you tell me where you remember this from.
in the economic war against Russia, quote, you're either with us or against us.
Does that remind you of a former president?
Did he set the standard?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I wonder how he figured that out.
You're not with us, you're against us.
Well, originally it's from the Bible, but it had a way different context back then.
But here's what it's all about.
And put this next one up.
Treasury officials Liz Rosenberg and Brian Nelson are going to Europe and they're going to meet with financial leaders in Switzerland, Italy, and Germany.
And they're going to give a simple message.
One, you either continue to provide Moscow with material support or two, you can keep doing business with countries that represent 50% of the global economy.
I don't know, Dr. Paul, how this, you know, tub thumping and roaring around like a bull in a China shop, I don't know how effective it is anymore.
Yeah, that's for sure.
But you know, the one thing that I have noticed others have not grabbed hold of as a principle that I've talked about and you endorse, I believe, and that is sanctions are, you know, this far, it is part of the war effort.
What's the first thing they do?
They blockade and they destroy trade as soon as you have a war before the shooting even starts.
But the sanctions, you know, are a major event.
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And of course, the frustration we found when we were in Washington is some of the progressives who would work with us and say, okay, we won't vote for money to send more kids off to some war in Iraq or something.
And they'd go along with that.
But they would do anything that was a sanction.
They believed it was not a war issue.
And I think people should realize, and the only way I could get somebody to think about it would be, what if, that's a big one, what if they do it to us?
What if we get weaker and they start putting sanctions on us?
You know, there's going to be a lot of people have more, there will be more justification in their mind to do something about it.
Now they justify doing it as a preventative, and that's why we've got to put the sanctions on before they get any stronger.
So we're just aggravating.
But it's just not in Europe, you know, just think of what we're doing to try to interfere with all kinds of trade with China.
And yet behind the scenes, they still do a whole lot of it.
A lot of it is bombastic and playing to their base.
Yeah, absolutely.
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And Dr. Paul, thinking, talking about disasters, here's a disaster coming up with the GOP.
If you can put this next one, we saw that we both saw this on Politico this morning.
And they've got a new idea.
It's a great idea.
We need to invade Mexico.
We need to bomb Mexico.
Here we go.
GOP embraces a new foreign policy.
Bomb Mexico to stop Sentinel.
I don't know about that.
It'll be interesting to find out about the progressives.
The ones that will vote against the spending and vote against bombing, but they will vote for sanctions.
This is one step more.
This is powerful sanctioning if you don't do what we do.
And that is a mess, but I don't think fighting the war on drugs is a whole lot different than it's always been before.
It's serious, but there's been serious problems with drugs forever, and nobody has shown me where the government role in fighting this war on drugs has ever been beneficial.
Because there's somebody, there's a lot of people who think that drug wars are good.
The price goes up.
They make more money.
That's true.
Maybe, and it gives us justification for the people who patrol the borders of Mexico.
I understand about a third of the Mexican people are controlled by the drug warriors and the people who run drugs.
But to think that bombing is the answer, that's how militant this system is.
I don't have anybody in front of me, but believe me, there'll be plenty of Republicans.
I'd like to see the breakdown on that.
What the percentage of Republicans support, because we are getting, you know, a little bit of a sign that there's a group of libertarian-leaning Republicans that may think, hey, that's over the top.
But to do that, but I thought, you know, back when I was in office in the 90s, I represented a very, very Bible-belt district, and I detest drugs for political reasons and medical reasons.
But somebody, you know, I came out against the drug war.
And it was shocking to me that so many people agreed with me.
People just weren't afraid.
They were afraid to say it.
All you had to do was run into somebody who was sent to prison for a long time, and their infraction was not all that serious.
It was sort of like smoking a cigarette or drinking too much beer or something.
A lot of problems in this or a lot of imperfections.
But I would say that our imperfections will not be helped by bombing them.
Well, that's what Mexico's president did say a couple of weeks ago.
You know, you're the ones that are desperate for these drugs.
You guys have a problem over there.
And the market is taking care of your demand.
But, you know, this sort of strikes me as a couple of things.
First of all, we always have to have an enemy.
And so we're losing this enemy.
We need to have Mexico as the enemy.
But it's also the danger of normalizing war and normalizing violence.
The U.S. has become like a petulant child.
We're going to smash our hands down and say, oh, yeah, if we don't like your drugs, we're going to bomb you.
And it's just this weird obsession with it.
But let's look it down.
You wanted to see who's behind it.
If we can go to this next clip really quick.
It's some of the usual suspects.
Dan Crenshaw, remember him from Texas?
They call him the one on McCain.
I couldn't.
But it is.
Mike Waltz, very, very hawkish.
They've introduced a bill seeking authorization for the use of force to put us at war with the cartels.
Good luck with that.
Tom Cotton, who's also a usual suspect, said he's open to sending U.S. troops into Mexico to target drug lords even without that nation's permission.
That is called an invasion.
That is called a war of aggression, right?
That is called illegal.
But if you go forward, it's legal if we do it, though, right?
But if you go forward, now Trump has been very big on this.
He's puffed himself up about the drug war.
And this may be Trump being Trump.
Who knows?
But it's a pretty dumb idea.
But here's a response from the Mexican president.
If you can go to the next one.
Mexican President Andre Manuel Lopez Oberdor is openly against any U.S. military involvement in his country to take on the cartels.
He says, in addition to being irresponsible, it is an offense to the people of Mexico, he said.
And of course, any leader of any self-respecting country would not be happy about being invaded by another country.
That's just a natural thing.
But one thing that struck me is, think about this for a second, Dr. Paul, and you might think that I've been smoking something before the show, but trust me, I haven't.
But just imagine a scenario where they get more hawkish on this, and they start getting aggressive toward Mexico.
And Oberdor calls up Putin and says, hey, I've got a threat next door.
We need to have some support over here.
It's just like what we did with Ukraine.
I mean, they could literally, you know, move their alliances over to this new emerging China, Iran, Russia, BRICS kind of thing.
That would really be a huge danger for the U.S. Right.
You know, people's values are very important here because drugs have been around for a long time and certain families, you know, do not have problems.
A lot of them do.
I know how extensive it is.
But it really falls on the parents to, you know, describe where dangerous.
That's the very first thing you do with children is you teach where you're dangerous.
I can remember how often with a child or a grandchild that teaching them a bottle road, this is what you do.
You look both ways.
But we don't have enough of that because too many people follow Hillary and say, you know, the government, the village has to take care of them.
So they're teaching the values too.
And all you have to do is look at the schools.
And that's what they're doing.
They're teaching values and they're responsible.
So that has a lot to do with it because these kids' minds have to be so twisted.
You think drugs twist their minds.
I think what twists their mind is some of the things they're teaching, the morals that they're teaching in these schools.
That's why that's the wrong place for your kids to learn it.
And there are, you know, there are some good schools and good teachers that still exist out there.
And they struggle, but there's a lot of mischief and nonsense.
But people don't say, well, but who's really responsible?
If there is a danger, there's so many dangers in the world, whether it's automobiles or smoking.
Well, what if it comes out that more people die from drinking alcohol, an accident with alcohol?
I mean, what are we going to do about that?
I used to suggest things like that, and then go and do it.
Don't do this.
But we'll handle that problem.
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We'll add them to the list.
So this is something that's going to be around a while, but this is over the top.
But I am absolutely convinced, Daniel, since our program is going to be out there, they're never going to mention this again because they have found out that it's such a silly, dumb idea.
That'll do it.
I'm just going to close out if you put on that last clip just by reminding, as I will continue to do, that on June 3rd in Houston, They Lie, Nihilism and the War on Truth.
We're going to have some great speakers.
I will talk about a couple of our speakers later in the week.
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Very good.
You know, we started off our program today about leaking information from our spies and telling us what's really going on.
And things, the shift is not good.
I still remain optimistic that there is a remnant out there that people will respond favorably and there's a majority.
It's just that we've allowed ourselves to be ruled by others.
We've been too complacent.
But eventually it's going to get to the point where the leaks have to be leaking information about liberty.
Oh, we have a secret here.
And actually, that's what happened under tough times.
I mean, what was it like in the Soviet system?
They had to be very cautious, but they did leak information.
I think the funniest thing about the dictatorial system of the Soviets was that their information, when they were talking to an ally, that they just mocked it.
They didn't believe anything the government said.
And you know what?
Once that broke loose, it lasted probably a decade, then they laughed them out of business.
Then the system just collapsed.
So we're going to have to start leaking the information about Liberty is all about.
And I think that's what we try to do, but we want to broadcast too.
And that's one thing I'm convinced that you can get the message out.
If the founders could do it with a pamphlet and passing out pamphlets, we ought to be able to get it out with the technology we have now.
At the beginning of the technological age, I said that libertarians are good.
They know about computers and internet.
They're going to come up with alternatives to be able to counteract all the usurpation of our rights from the government.
And some of that is true, but I just think that people probably one-on-one is one of the better ways to do it if you want a concrete convert.
And of course, small conferences and meetings, I think, is beneficial rather than the very, very large crowds.
Even though I was pleased when a large crowd would come and want to hear about Liberty.
But no, it's a small group of people, and that's why we have our conferences, to come and find out and pick the brains of the people that they respect and find out, you know, what is available.
And I think the other reason to come to conferences like that, I found many years that I did this before I ever ran for Congress, I'd go to a conference, especially for the Leonard Reed round.
And it was getting to know people.
Some of the people I met back then there 30, 40 years ago, before there was a Libertarian Party or all, have remained close friends and allies.
And that's what happens at these conferences.
People do make friends, and at least you can sort of relax and say, well, nobody's going to cancel me.
I think I'm going to say what I want to say.
But anyway, I think it's great when we can put things out because as far as I'm concerned, it's the message that we need.
And the ideas are a lot more powerful than bombs to try to stop the drug war.
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