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April 3, 2023 - Ron Paul Liberty Report
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The Trump Indictment And The Coup Against America

It didn't happen overnight and it didn't even begin with the Trump presidency, but there has been a coup in America. A coup of the elites against the American people. It's just getting more obvious these days. Also today: who are the winners in the Ukraine war? Finally: should we worry about Russian nukes in Belarus?

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Trump's Prosecution Controversy 00:14:48
Hello, everybody, and thank you for tuning in to the Liberty Report.
With us today is Daniel McAdams, our co-host.
Daniel, good to see you.
How are you this morning, Dr. Paul?
Doing very well.
Happy Monday.
And we're going to bring up a subject nobody ever has heard about.
Donald Trump.
Donald Trump.
They're trying to put him in prison.
Yeah.
And he's fighting them off.
And one of our favorite attorney and lead professors in colleges and all this, we don't think about you most of them.
But Jonathan, we do.
And matter of fact, he was one of our early guests when we were just starting the Liberty Report or the Liberty Luncheons.
He came over.
But now he's a famous person.
He's on TV.
Yeah.
But he, once again, wrote another article, and he's much more active.
He's still very academic.
He's probably the most academic one that does the political talks on the show as a lawyer.
But there's a few there.
But, you know, for a long time when he came to our office, you know, it wasn't like I'm a Republican.
He didn't use the word Republican or Libertarian or anything, but we knew he was sound in his thinking.
So that's why we like to look at what he has to say.
And of course, the big deal is tomorrow the indictments have occurred, but what are they going to do?
They're going to arraign them.
And some people think, what do the Democrats do?
Don't they know any better?
And it is such an outrage.
But for me, the first thing I thought about, and I mentioned it to you, Daniel, is that my reflection is because I've been really fascinated.
And I believe a lot of it is true.
I think there's been a coup in this country that nobody pays any attention to.
And the country's been taken over by people that aren't constitutionalists.
I don't even know where they come from.
They're not strictly Republicans and Democrats.
If you're looking at the news, I know what I do.
I know you wouldn't waste your time watching the news.
But I watch the news, and immediately when you turn on a station, oh, is he?
Oh, he's a Democrat.
So you know exactly what he's going to say.
Oh, he's a Republican.
You know what they're going to say.
So you're not getting news.
You're just getting propaganda.
And so often the real news is the deep state.
A lot of people know about that and who declares the wars, you know, and how to get away with it and how the military-industrial complex works.
So there's a group of people, and there's been a little bit of that along, but I think in the recent 50 years or so, there's been a total disintegration of the Republic.
I don't think we live in a country that was supposed to function like a republic.
And if you have doubts about what I say, just look at a couple quotes from Nancy Pelosi.
That'll convince you.
And she's just not a woman off the street.
She was the leader of the Congress, and she was the one that was in charge of the police on January 6th.
So you know where she's coming from.
But anyway, tomorrow is a big day, and most people know that the prosecutor, the local judge from Manhattan has taken a misdemeanor and turned it into law.
Yeah, well, the controversy there.
Everybody's turned it down.
They think, and even the Democrats think, hey, this might backfire on us.
But it's interesting.
But nobody knows what's going to happen tomorrow either.
And Jonathan mentions in this thing.
He said, just because you take something and multiply it by 34 doesn't make it stronger.
So I'm sure you took a look at this.
Yeah, it's fascinating, you know, and I'm just going to break some news.
A little birdie flew over from your house to my house and said you're actually working on a little mini book about the coup in America.
So I'm sure our fans are looking forward to that coming out in a while.
No pressure.
But it's fascinating.
And Turley's a great guy.
But the thing about Turley that makes him so credible, and we've said it so many times, he's no fan of Trump.
And like us, he's been very critical.
I mean, we're critical of many things that Trump did when he was president.
He made some incredibly boneheaded decisions and hired some really ridiculous people.
Nevertheless, as someone who is not a huge fan of Trump, he's able to talk about this prosecution, I think, in a more objective way.
And in fact, when we get a chance, we can put this article up because we both read it and we were both taken in by Jonathan Turley's arguments.
He calls it very simple.
The Trump indictment, making history in the worst possible way.
And this is the DA is Bragg, and apparently his assistant is the one who's really driving this.
But put this next one up because here's a clip from it, which is interesting.
And I think he makes a good point here.
It is still hard to believe that Bragg would primarily proceed on such a basis.
There have been no other crimes discussed over months, but we will have to wait to read the indictments.
We do know as a checkered history leading to this moment, the Justice Department itself declined to prosecute the federal election claim against Trump.
There was ample reason to decline.
So they tried.
We know you've talked so often about the politicization of the Justice Department.
So if even the Justice Department says, that's a hot potato, I don't want to grab on that.
And you have this goofy guy, this Soros-backed guy, who comes out and says, well, I'll take that hot potato.
And it's crazy.
I mean, it's all about apparently some money that was paid to a woman to quiet her down, I guess, about something.
And I don't know the details, but he turns it into this massive election fraud, you know, sort of 34 counts against him.
I saw some funny memes over the weekend of Bill Clinton making a funny face with Paula Jones because apparently he paid this woman a lot of money so that she was shut up.
So there's a precedent.
So when you start indicting and arresting former presidents for things that they did, it's going to be a slippery slope.
You know, so much of it that goes on, and it's important.
People talk about the silliness and the ridiculousness of what's going on, the details of the legal system.
And that's where a lot of people get lost, but that's where it's really, really political.
I'm much more comfortable talking about a bigger picture on why are we even here?
You know, well, they said that Trump wanted to pay off his mistress or whatever to keep her quiet.
And that broke some law, they claim, and it wasn't strong, so they created other laws.
Anything, people know about that.
But the thing that this made me think about in the bigger picture comes from having read a little bit about by Lysander Spooner.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, because Lysander Spooner, his big, big argument overall, even though he had many, because I think he's probably one of the most concise and intellectual libertarian there was.
And he says, Nobody but a fool or an imposter pretends that he, as an individual, has a right to punish other men for their vices.
That was his big issue.
Vices are not crimes.
So when you look at it, what they're trying to do is take Trump's vices, which he probably had a few, and automatically terminated crimes.
And even the crimes that they start with weren't bad enough, so they build up the crime rather than saying, well, maybe we shouldn't even be dealing with this.
But Lysander Spooner is very, very emphatic that vices shouldn't be crimes.
And I may be, after I go a little bit further, I may have another quote from him because it's so precise and so appropriate on how we go from what government should be doing.
And it obviously follows the principle, you can do what you want as long as you don't hurt people, no aggression.
And that's not complex.
Yeah.
And we don't even know that anything went on.
We don't know the details.
We frankly don't want to know, as you point out, the details.
But we do know is that this leads us further down the road.
Now, you would say a coup, and I think you're absolutely right.
But a more vulgar way of saying it is a banana republic, you know, where we just go, we use the judicial system to attack political enemies.
And that was something that's happened not only in the banana republics of Latin America, but also in totalitarian states.
You use the justice system to jail your allies, and it's even happening today.
And I have a little point about that later.
But the funny thing is, the thing that we've noted about the Trump era is that it's always an own goal.
Whenever they try to do this, I mean, Trump, and I'm telling you, I don't know how I got on his list, but I'm on his marketing list or whatever.
And as soon as his indictment hit, I got 85,000 emails from Trump raising money.
Apparently, he's raised several million dollars from this.
So it's an own goal.
He's raising tons of money for it.
He's got enormous sympathy.
The Congress, people like McCarthy, who really do not like Trump, they've been sympathetic.
Other people in Congress, Republicans in Congress, are now sympathetic.
And even DeSantis, who was considered the number one challenger to Trump, he had to come out with a statement saying, I will not participate in any kind of arrest of Trump here in Florida.
So even DeSantis now has had to come out and sort of back off and I think possibly put off his presidential aspirations until 2028 because of this.
You know, I make the point, and Spooner makes the point, vices are not crimes.
And this is a big thing.
But that's long past.
I think Republicans, Democrats, and Independents, and most people in the country, you know, if there's a vice, you know, what about the drug war?
Do you think the drug war was always somebody hurting somebody else?
No, it was habits and what people are allowed to do if they're not hurting other people.
But I think there's an additional factor going wrong right now that drives this.
You know, whether it's the media, the Democratic Party, or the court system, or Soros, it's literal hate.
They cannot stand the idea that this goofy guy became president.
He's president, and he keeps blurting out, you know, truths now and then.
You know, it throws it right out there.
And I did have one conversation with the president.
It wasn't a secret conversation, but I says, I think your success has been your willingness to attack political correctness.
You know, people kept fed up with, but in some places, you still can't attack political correctness.
I think it's that factor of hate that drives them.
That's where they get their motivation.
Yeah.
Well, what did he say when you said that?
Did he agree with you when you asked him about political correctness?
No, he just listened.
Well, I predict, and I'm not a clairvoyant by any stretch of the imagination.
I really honestly think that the Democrats are going to start running away from this because I think they're going to realize they're going to have this brag guy go under the bus because it really is a bridge too far.
You know, what makes your point is how many Republicans who hated Trump and voted to impeach him, and they're all of a sudden, well, maybe, I don't think there's anybody in the Congress that is saying, yeah, go ahead, go ahead.
This is over the top.
But, you know, that still doesn't guarantee.
There might be something in here that they can all agree on.
Well, this looks like he cheated on his taxes.
Yeah.
Well, that's a victimless crime, isn't it?
Careful.
I'm going to take it right now.
I want to read a little quote from Spooner to sort of describe this because I think it's so important to understand that none of this is good conversation.
It makes no sense at all, let alone arguing the details over something that shouldn't even exist.
But he's talking about, of course, whether it's a crime or not.
He says, unless this clear distinction between vices and crimes be made and recognized by the laws, there can be no such thing as individual rights, liberty, or property.
No such thing as the right of one man to control of, to control his own person and property.
You know, that is it.
If these questions are not, this is Spooner.
If these questions are not to be left free and open for experiment by all, each person is deprived of the highest of his rights as a human being to visit his right to ascertain for himself what is to him virtue.
You know, once you start regulating virtue, that's why when you look at the school systems and all that, why that all gets destroyed because they don't understand this.
And what it is to him, vice, if this great right is not to be left free and open to all.
And I think if people understand that, all I can say is Lysander Spooner is fun to read.
And I guess he was in the middle part of the 19th century that he wrote.
And I think the Republic was stronger even then, but he was already getting resistance.
And you could write sentences that were more complicated than we have today and still be understood.
Well, we're going to keep an eye on this, of course, and it's fascinating to watch what's happening.
And it's fascinating, not because we're necessarily worried that Trump's going to end up in the clink, but because it's funny to see people step on their own feet, and I think that's what's happening.
But let's move on because this is something that you noticed on our friends at Zero Hedge.
And I think it's really a good time to talk about this.
Let's put that next link.
Good News, Bad Intentions 00:03:42
Go back one if you can.
There is only one winner in the Ukrainian war, the U.S.
And I agree with that to a degree, but I want to have a discussion about it.
But it is an interesting article.
Well, I thought maybe this will be all good news, but I didn't find it all good news.
Because all the good news would be that the United States woke up and said intervention and participating in coups is not a wise thing to do.
And I found a number the other day that between 1945 and 1962 or something, there were 81 coups that we participated in.
No, we wouldn't do that, would we?
So that is a problem.
So we're going to be winners.
And this article, You know, lists some of the things that they see.
And maybe some are true, maybe some aren't.
He says, first, we got our way by new sanctions against Russia.
That doesn't sound like such a good deal for you.
Oh, yeah, it sounds like we won, but we won by doing something I don't like.
Blocking the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline.
Well, that's crazy.
We blew it up.
And that was the answer to the problem.
Why shouldn't Russia and Germany be business partners or buy and sell with each other?
But no, we were there interfering.
But we had our way.
So that's another victory for us.
And then, oh, and another victory for us here is to propose itself to Europe as an alternative gas supplier.
That goes along with the pipeline.
And that, of course, I guess we've been able to do some of that, but not so smoothly.
That one might not remain a positive because the world is changing around.
Oil is being distributed differently.
And the reserve currency is being used differently.
So those are the kind of things that they talked about.
So it wasn't an automatic real benefit for us.
It was a political benefit, or the deep state may have had a benefit.
But we don't want to be identified saying, oh, it was good for the deep states, it was good for America.
That's where we'd be going wrong.
Yeah.
Well, what really struck me about this article is that I think it was in an Italian publication originally, and Zero Hedge picked it up.
But I think it really captures the rising level of discontent in Europe over U.S. foreign policy with Russia, over the U.S. dragging Europe into this war with Russia, to the detriment not of the United States, at least in the short term, but the detriment of Europe.
And we're seeing a lot of things happening.
We're seeing, for example, the Austrians said we want no part of any of this.
And in fact, Zelensky went to speak at the Austrian parliament in an entire one of the parties, and they stood up and left.
The Freedom Party got up and left.
So there's discontent there.
The Hungarians obviously are not interested in getting involved in this.
Even the Germans said, no more tanks.
Tanks, but no tanks, right?
And then in Finland over the weekend, this insane prime minister, I must be getting old because she looks like a teenager to me.
She was out partying and she had a little scandal.
Well, guess what?
She lost the election.
She was super gung-ho about going to war with Russia.
And the people of Finland said, take a hike.
She's out.
So I think what this article captures is the rising level of discontent and anger with the U.S. over the predicament that Europe is now in because of following like a lapdog on the neocon foreign policies of Blinken and Biden and Victoria Newland and all these people.
Russian Nuclear Dominance 00:09:35
See, they're dealing with things and there are differences and it should be debated.
But basically the way I see it, and you probably do too, is that this intervention is going to be argued forever because it doesn't work.
And that's the big thing.
They're trying to micromanage something that if we had the right foreign policy, it's sort of like if we had the right monetary policy, we wouldn't hang on pins and needles until the Federal Reserve Board Chairman makes an announcement coming out of a meeting where he can change the financial markets to the tune of trillions of dollars in no time flat or create trillions of dollars when they need it.
So they're micromanaging a policy which totally rejects the whole principle of solving these problems by non-intervention.
And that's so much different, and that is let people make the decisions, and countries can act more logical, just like Spooner suggested, individuals react more equal.
So, if a country is doing something that we don't like, we don't put sanctions on it.
But if they haven't been killing us and fighting and causing a war or something, but just to go in there and a victory because we were able to put on more sanctions on Russia, you know, it's crazy.
And so, intervention, whether it's domestic intervention or whether it's foreign policy intervention, it's anti-liberty and it's going to cause problems.
It's going to cause problems.
And you and Chris did a blockbuster show on Friday about de-dollarization.
And I'm sure you noticed.
I mean, we see things about France and China and Saudi Arabia doing deals in one.
I mean, the dollar's gone.
And you know well more than anyone about this, and it's going to be a real issue.
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So let's go into our third story now, and this is also a very important story.
Let's get this queued up.
This is about nuclear weapons that the Russians have now announced.
Let's go ahead to the next one, actually.
You know, go ahead one more, please.
Russia to put nukes near Belarus's western border, Envoy says.
Now, this came in out over the weekend.
It made a big stir.
They said we're going to put some tactical nukes in Belarus.
Now, the Belarusians will not have operational control over them, but nevertheless, geographically, they'll be located.
This is a big issue.
It's a much bigger issue for Russia than probably any country in the world because if you look at the history of what Europeans and NATO forces and others have done, once they get near the Russian border, sometimes they breach those borders.
And that's one of the things that drives the support to a person like Putin is he says, we're not going to let them do it to us again, you know, come in into our country.
But so the Russian history, you know, even after the so-called Cold War ended and things were supposed to be lightened up, before you knew it, NATO expanded their pressure.
And what did they do?
They took our weapons, and there's nuclear weapons involved all the time, and put them near the eastern borders of Europe and made them much closer to Russia.
But it's always this border thing.
So when the Russians or the Soviets were doing this, they were spreading their wings.
Of course, we did too.
So they put, we had them all over Europe, in particular Turkey, because that came up in the Cuban crisis.
So what we did was, you know, the Russians came, they worked a deal.
We never quite worked out any type of friendship with the Cubans.
So the Russians come in.
They put nukes in the plan was they probably did have them there into Cuba.
So they got too close to us.
It's hit for tat here.
So then we get upset.
But maybe there's still some hawks that are disappointed that JFK decided this is enough enough.
Let's have a deal.
And he says, look, we don't need nukes in Turkey.
Why don't we take the nukes out of Turkey and you take them out of Cuba?
It made sense to me.
So it's this whole thing.
So it is a big issue.
But this one is interesting because it's Russia.
Their big complaint is the West and NATO has put the weapons up too close to Russia, but now it's the Russians putting it close to the NATO borders.
And it's a little more complex.
It's not quite as neat as it was leading up to World War II.
Yeah, and you pointing out what happened in 1962 reminds us that there were cooler heads back then.
Hey, do we really want to do this?
No, we don't.
Where are they now?
But in a way, this is a tempest in the teapot because we already have nuclear weapons in Romania and Poland.
The Russians already have nuclear weapons in Kaliningrad.
But it's a way of showing.
But what the whole thing was about, this was a Russian response to the announcement by the UK government that they're going to supply uranium-tipped munitions to Ukraine.
And the Russians are very much against it.
And they said, we don't want this uranium poisoning our soils and our people.
We saw what happened in Serbia.
We saw what happened in Iraq.
And we don't want to deal with that again.
And they said, we don't care.
And so they said, okay, we're going to put some nukes in Belarus.
So what it demonstrates is that Russia has kind of a dominance on escalation.
They have an escalatory dominance.
If you do this, well, we're going to do this.
We're going to keep going.
And this is a contrast to every other foreign policy situation we've had, certainly in the 21st century.
We can escalate at will.
We don't have to respond.
And this is the first time that the Russians say, okay, we're going to match tit-for-tat.
And that's a dangerous thing because we have no reverse gear with the neocons in Washington.
You know, the problem is that all countries basically, I think, have a group that are more hawkish.
And always a country tends to say, enough is enough.
Let's have some peace once in a while.
But the leaders hear more, and there's so much in this country, our country, it's the political power, the military-industrial complex, plus others.
But then there are just some plain old hawks that are combining Republicans with now some of the defection from the progressives.
And they're getting together and saying, oh, we have to stand up to stand up to these people and block them.
So this is a, but they have to appear to their radicals that they're doing something, even though they don't believe in, don't isn't necessary.
And the problem that we've pointed out so often is sometimes accidents happen.
You know, all that stuff they were doing in Ukraine, I'm really pretty amazed that we, the United States, would go in there and bomb that pipeline.
I mean, that's pretty vicious.
Well, the CIA says we didn't do it.
That wasn't an accident.
Matter of fact, the people who claimed all this, oh, yeah, it was just a couple people in a canoe.
We dropped some things off there and we blew it up.
I'm going to close with a couple of things.
And the first one is a bit of humor.
Elon Musk's Humor 00:02:31
And Dr. Paul, I know this is a bit vulgar humor, but I hope you'll indulge me on this because I found it funny.
If we can put the next one on, this is from Zero Heads Today, and it just struck me as funny.
Musk, Elon Musk, who's becoming more popular with me at least.
Elon Musk kills the New York Times gold verified check mark.
He says the paper's Twitter feed is unreadable, the equivalent of diarrhea.
It's hard to disagree with that.
But a little bit more seriously, if you can put the next one on, and this is a big thank you.
Dr. Paul, after you and Chris knocked it out of the park on Friday, what happened?
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You know, I've always admitted that I'm no expert when it comes to the internet and these details.
And I have experts working with me.
And when I have questions, what does this 300,000 mean?
That's pretty good.
Daniel says it's pretty good.
But I said, well, I like the idea of names and supporters.
Can I send them a Christmas card?
I says, do we have their addresses and know where to find them?
Do we have their email?
No, he says, it's not like that.
Privacy.
We believe in privacy.
So we don't have them.
We can't do that.
But I said, how do we communicate exactly like we've been doing?
Have a program and try our best to find the truth of the matter and put it out there.
And there's always going to be somebody.
If they say, you know, I think they're leveling with us.
And that is how to reach them.
Not only that, we may well reach the friends that we already have, but we may get new friends.
And I think that's what Daniel's talking about.
300,000 means we're getting new friends.
And that's why, in spite of the many statements I have to personally make about how bad I think things are, I do come down on the side that there are a lot of friends out there.
There's a lot of people who care about it.
Maybe even today, a few extra people who maybe never heard of Lysander Spooner might read about it and it would be fun reading.
I want to thank everybody for tuning in today to the Liberty Report.
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