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	Greetings, Earthlings and humans and others.
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	Anakies.
	Nazis.
	What have you, whatever.
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	Welcome.
	Uh clones.
	I forgot clones.
	Everybody who wants to hear what we're talking about here on the Roseanne show.
	And especially animals, the most genius of all beings, the highest intelligence on the planet, because they don't need to be manipulated.
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	So anyway, um, excited.
	Today's gonna be a real banger for sure.
	Welcome to the Roseanne Bar Podcast.
	Oh you see, my precious says growing friends.
	Well, you know, well, you know how I love talking to geniuses.
	That is my life, and on this podcast, do I love it?
	They are rare and far between.
	Especially the women geniuses, far and few between and uh rare, rare, rare.
	Well, we got one today, one of the OG women geniuses on the planet who has paid the prize for being a woman genius, and not just a genius, but a uh I don't even know how to say it.
	A uh fearless genius standing up for truth and uh righteousness too.
	Katie Hawkins!
	Hi, Katie.
	Hi, lovely lady.
	I'm so happy to be here.
	Oh, you are just so great.
	We admire you so much.
	We've been uh wanting to have you on the podcast for so long, and then we heard you were in town at Lor Laura Lara Logan's.
	I can't say that right either.
	I always say Laura, but it's Lara.
	Or I say Laura, but it's Lara, isn't it?
	Lara really low with Yeah, it's us Australian.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Lara Lara Lara.
	Isn't she a beauty?
	She's a genius.
	She reminds me of probably this isn't very complimentary, but it's it's not intended any other way.
	But I there's a fr uh film my husband and son love and the stiffless mum.
	I haven't seen American.
	You discovered Jennifer Coolidge.
	Yeah.
	Oh, Jennifer Coolidge, yeah, it's an earlier character in that movie.
	In an earlier iteration, but yeah, when she's stifler's mom, she just basically oozes sexuality and and young boys are desperate to bang her all the time.
	She sort of arrives and falls out of her clothing in a great way whilst smoking on a long cigarette.
	And that's what I when she walked Lara do we say that each time now?
	I don't know.
	But when she walked around the corner yesterday, I was like, oh my god, it's stifler's mom.
	She is that character.
	Just oozing out of a glass.
	Yeah.
	She has huge bazoons.
	Huge bazookas.
	And I just want to put my head in them.
	So I spent like I was supposed to be talking to her about things she was saying.
	But my mind did think I would just like to put my head in those and just they call what do they call that?
	Motorboating.
	Yeah, I want to moose about that.
	I do because I feel like if anyone ever, no one has ever tried to motorbote me in my life, because they're just so small.
	Yeah, mine I think they didn't try to motorboat me, but I had them well before because you know, they would have suffocated.
	But then I had them reduced.
	You did.
	So they probably could safely motorboat me now, but because I don't, you know, because I'm loath of human touch.
	Then you wouldn't I wouldn't know you wouldn't engage with that now, but historically it would have been more of a cruise ship situation.
	Yeah.
	And mine would have been like little inflatable rubber dinghy.
	It'd be never just a little Yeah, I don't know.
	I don't know quite how oh yeah.
	So no, she's just she just oozes like I don't know, womanliness.
	Yeah.
	I'm kind of fascinated by it because I don't have any of that.
	You know, I'm much more masculine.
	I'm much more manly in my way.
	I feel a bit manly, whatever.
	Some people think I'm trans, I couldn't care.
	But she just feels like she just looks like woman, what I imagine.
	She's very womanly.
	And then you sit down with her and this immaculate intelligence shows up.
	Yeah.
	It's crazy.
	Understanding depth, knowledge, per first hand stuff.
	First house accounts of all sorts of things.
	I like that you said you you are very uh, you know, you have a masculine street.
	Masculine.
	Yeah.
	I think I do too.
	Yeah, I yeah, I I feel like I see it like for me also it's slightly physical.
	You seem like kind of more like female than me.
	But people when they when, you know, for the longest time, of course, I've been hated or mocked or whatever that and that's perfectly fine.
	But one of the things I get a lot now, even now that I'm sort of somewhat redeemed for some reason, uh, is that I'm trans.
	And I don't actually see it as offensive because I see it.
	Like I see it.
	I have no boobs, I'm kind of you know, tougher appearing, and I I have this low voice, and uh I totally see it.
	I just I'm not, although I do say, I mean, I don't know to what depths of depravity we want to go to today.
	All the depths, all of the depths.
	That was permission I just got.
	I I used to talk to Carrie Fisher about it, and she said, you know, we would always talk about how we had a masculine side to our our writing and our being and stuff.
	Yeah, and well, they say in life that your nose and your ears keeps growing, right?
	Right.
	Which means by the time if I if I survive any longer, I'm gonna look like a bloody African elephant, which pisses me off.
	But the other thing is that there's other bits of me that are still growing south.
	Yeah, I know.
	Yeah.
	So all I'm just gonna say on the trans thing is these days I do have to decide whether to dress left or right.
	I know, I know exactly what you mean.
	They have a point.
	What did I say before about my vaginal lips that gr the uh Oh, you say your vaginal uh lining is the only thing skinny thin on you.
	No, that is true, but I also said I never heard.
	I love that you consulted your son for what you may have said about your badge.
	That's why I'm here.
	Yeah.
	Son, what have I said about my vag?
	And I also said that my growing vaginal lips, they hang in the toilet there so long now.
	So you and I have I mean I I think we're basically the same person in the city.
	I do too.
	And when I read your Wikipedia page, I was astounded because I'm like, this bitch has done even more offensive things than me and lived through it.
	But I I feel like we're the same as in the same age, same everything like I d because yeah, that this whole lip situation mine.
	So I can't wear a legging now.
	Like you know, these of the camel toe.
	Yeah, well, it's not a camel toe.
	It's sandwich, it must be more of a full claw.
	I don't think we needed your contribution right at that moment.
	Thank you, son.
	But like it, you know, it's really grasping, and it's like you know those trees, are they called bayan trees?
	Oh, banyan?
	Thank you so much.
	I have no idea what I'm talking about.
	And they send down limbs to the ground.
	That's what I think my plunge is doing.
	Yeah, clunge.
	I think it's clunge.
	I love that.
	Well, you can really German around here.
	Clunge, it's sending down branches.
	And I don't know what vitamins it needs from the soil, because I would just put them in my mouth if it would tell me.
	But these things are out of control.
	Yeah, truly.
	Definitely.
	It's restricting what I can wear.
	And the pubes are just they grow down to your knees, all down to your legs and everything, and there's less baby shaving.
	Now you have to decide some things, don't you?
	You've got to get an extra razor for the job.
	Yeah, and now, you know, once you hit 50.
	How old are you now?
	72.
	So I feel the same age as you, like legitimately a hundred percent.
	And people have always said I look old, and I've always felt older than I am.
	But like you used to have to shave like back in the day when you made an effort, like when you wanted to live.
	Oh, when you wanted to like have a boyfriend or like maybe try and get married or get someone to ask you to marry them, like you'd shave your legs, wouldn't you?
	You do other things as well.
	Oh, I would never do it.
	Which coincidentally it's sort of taken us on a bit of a tangent, but it's a story I like, which I haven't shared, but how I passed my driving test was exactly that.
	Oh in a lay by.
	Yeah, never drove the car.
	That's amazing.
	Yeah, first true story, got the first lay by You mean to your instructor?
	I would hope the instructor.
	That's how you pass.
	Yeah, I still can't reverse park now.
	So I can let you hold it.
	That's a bit good.
	I don't know.
	So yeah, these bits of me are long.
	Um and so I do feel I I you know, I feel masculine, and I think I'm quite I have a masculine sense of humor.
	Yeah.
	So which is probably also what we Yeah.
	Because I don't find women women that funny.
	I don't either.
	It's so tired.
	Oh, isn't it?
	Yeah.
	It's just tired, the victim thing.
	It's a good thing.
	Tricking on the edge of things and sort of being being uh What's the word where you do the uh double entendre shit?
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	Yeah.
	And also the sort of I'm so like I because I'm really like I'm going in for the trans thing and my label really long, but I'm not trying to be the oh look at me, I'm so feminist, I'm making myself deliberately ugly.
	So you know, that kind of funny female.
	I don't get that at all.
	There was one bitch at the Edinburgh fringe, and she was bleating on about how she hadn't sold a single ticket.
	But like on her bio it says like female vegan, gluten-free, lactose intolerant ADHD surviving pro-Palestine activist.
	And you're like, yeah, really, that's fucking hilarious.
	Right there, I'd go to that show.
	That's like a hoop.
	You know.
	Oh, the Edinburgh.
	That's where there you go, Edinburgh.
	Edinburgh.
	Sorry, I forgot.
	Oh my god, they tried to get me to come over there for several years, and I was like, did you tell them to stick it up their ass?
	I'm like, you guys ain't funny.
	You know, where do comics go over there?
	You're not funny.
	Nobody's funny there.
	Yeah, oh, but they're all there's it's such it's a mafia.
	Yeah, it is a clique.
	It is, and they want to stay inside the clique.
	And and this year, so two of the Jewish stand-ups, they had their shows cancelled because of course the staff wouldn't feel safe.
	Which is the bullshit excuse Jewish stand-up comics to say to them.
	Isn't that great?
	Right.
	And so, but but you know, which is obviously ridiculous in and of itself, but the rest of the comedians up there in the fringe turned turned their backs so that they would be allowed to continue with their show.
	And that's why I look at them and go, you call yourself a stand like you spineless assholes.
	Yeah, they are.
	And I mean, they're you can imagine their jokes, because they knew they probably knew the Jews were funnier.
	I mean, all those people like they go on strike because they hate funny.
	Yeah, they hate funny.
	That's why they always call it alternative comedy, which means it isn't funny.
	It isn't funny, and they just yeah, they just sit there almost sort of self-congratulating.
	What it feels like.
	You know, let's see.
	Chronic masturbation.
	Yeah, that's all it is.
	That's so funny.
	I was about to say, let's all sit together and wank each other off.
	That is what it is.
	Yeah, and they come out of there feeling like, oh, that was good.
	We all had a wank.
	Yeah.
	And then we look in from the outside and go, oh my god.
	And they're like, let's talk about the irony.
	The irony of us being privileged and speaking for the oppressed.
	Thank you, and good night.
	I'll be here all week.
	Fucking hate those people.
	Yeah, and same with like the Emmy Awards, right?
	The whole Oh my god, the Emmy Amo Awards was a fucking horror from hell.
	Did it trigger you to death?
	I didn't even I never watch anything because I mean they're all like child molesters and sycophantic.
	You shouldn't even watch the one where you won the Emmy.
	You weren't even there.
	Yeah.
	I didn't even go.
	And then I the one time I won.
	Did you wish you'd gone?
	Afterwards I wished I had gone.
	Yes.
	Because I had my speech.
	Yes, you should have gone.
	Yeah, I should have gone.
	I would like to thank me.
	Oh, and I forgot.
	I'd also like to thank myself.
	And oh I'd like to thank I. Thank you and good night.
	You should have done it.
	Yeah, and you know you should have done it.
	But I was so hated by then, I didn't want to be around them.
	No.
	They hated me like they hate you.
	Don't they just hate fucking funny smart women?
	It's a fucking jag off.
	It's just a jack-off club.
	They despise funny, smart women.
	Yeah.
	That so for the longest time, so I was most hated woman in you know, biggest bitch in Britain, most hated woman, la la la.
	And then there's been this weird in the last five years amongst decent ordinary people who've had enough.
	I've had this kind of redemption where I'm allowed to exist, and not only that, they'll come and sell out everything I do, which has just been I'm so bloody lucky to have lived long enough to have that bit.
	Yeah, but they're being actually hated by everyone, and the understanding for people that didn't question it or just went along with it was yes, she's hated because she's a bitch and she's terrible and you could spit at her in the street, and that hatred just was permeated everywhere.
	And I I was never of the inclination to try and correct the record.
	And never people some friends would say of friends, but they'd say we should try and let people see the real you.
	If they saw the real you, they'd really like you.
	And actually I always thought, well, fuck them.
	Yeah.
	You know, I and I don't mean it, doesn't mean it didn't.
	It wasn't awful.
	It's awful.
	It's like awful.
	You can't walk into a restaurant with your kids because you can't risk that someone will be mean because you don't want your kids to feel hurt by the treatment of you because they know the real you, and you're not an asshole.
	They know you're just a nice regular person.
	But um, but there was a big part of me that used to just think, no, I'm not gonna correct you.
	I know who I am.
	Yeah.
	That's a lot of strength.
	Yeah.
	And that's where I went to for 10 or so years, was sometimes lying on the floor of our house just not knowing how I was gonna get it up, but at least being able to go, or maybe one of my kids would be like, you know who you are, and I'd be like, Yeah, okay.
	Yeah.
	But now Are you a believer?
	Yes.
	Did you get strength from that?
	Yes, but in a in a sort of um, I believe I'm certain of lots of things.
	I'm not in any way trying to convince anyone else of what I'm certain of.
	But you have the strength inside.
	Yeah, I know that.
	My end day is already decided for sure.
	I know that.
	Um your path in life, I think is already set.
	Like for me to be here today, I would definitely believe that's supposed to happen.
	Oh, yeah.
	Because how would you be just up the road at the same time as as how would you cross paths with Latin Laura and then blah?
	Like, so I believe all that's set, and I believe the more that you which I did arrive here without a plan, really, the bet the the clearer your path becomes if you just follow it.
	And sometimes you're not sure of it, and sometimes it seems like it might be the wrong path.
	Well, you have to accept that as well.
	Right.
	So it's that kind of faith.
	It's a very kind of open, fluid thing.
	Yeah.
	It might be over forgiving and over-permissive, and uh many people I'm sure would disagree with much of my life and consider it to be not conservative or Catholic or Christian or whatever the correct thing is at all.
	But uh I know I'm a big believer in all that.
	Just because you blew your driving instructor?
	I blew my driving structure.
	I stole people's husbands.
	You know, I have a track record of being quite unsavory in certain departments.
	I my fa one of my favorite things you did is to um gain and lose 30 pounds just to show obese people how easy it was to go on and die.
	What a cow.
	Can you even imagine?
	What a bitch.
	So what what happened?
	I uh I jumped And did it on TV because what?
	Fat people because of fat acceptance.
	So there was well, there was a whole I I've love you so much.
	I remember this.
	Oh my god.
	So what had I done?
	I'd done something.
	And they would they were wanting ideas off me.
	In I So the UK, we have this healthcare system that you just always pay in, right?
	Everyone pays in all the time.
	But you never really kind of use it yourself if you take a little bit of care of yourself, really.
	But unless, you know, all things can happen to anyone, of course.
	But like so, certain people just eat themselves to the size of a market planet, but then have no conception of why they might be fat.
	Like, not my business.
	You're fat, not my problem.
	Not my business.
	You want to be fat?
	Brilliant.
	You be as fat as you want to be.
	But equally, don't say, oh, I need a new hip because I've got bad hips.
	No, you're a fat ass.
	So pay for your hip.
	Or like, oh, fat being fat runs in my family.
	You know, no, it doesn't.
	Nothing is ever run in your fucking family.
	That's half the issue, right?
	So fat people kind of piss me off because they wouldn't own their shit.
	I'm so big on owning, you know.
	I own everything that's ever happened to me.
	The worst picking up a cunt award.
	I own all of that because I brought it on myself.
	Like, so that's really my sort of founding principle is own everything that happens to you because it's a lot better that way.
	So that was my thing.
	And I went into it, you know, how it goes with production.
	And they were like, so have you got any ideas?
	And I was like, you know what?
	Fat people are pissing me off.
	You know what I'm gonna do?
	I'm gonna put on half my body weight in three months.
	I'm gonna lose it again, just to show that if you did want to do something, you could.
	And they went great, and it was commissioned in two weeks, which you'll know never happened.
	Yes.
	So yeah, I did it.
	And if I hadn't been filmed, I would have absolutely failed and dropped out because it was disgusting.
	It was the most disgusting thing.
	What to gain 30 pounds?
	Oh my god.
	Well, it was 40, close to 40 in the end.
	So yeah, I went from what we would say 10 stone, you know, up to nearly 15 stone.
	So like half of me again.
	And I had this great idea, like it was all gonna go on my tits.
	I was like, yeah, this is gonna be great.
	And I started looking at bras and things, thinking like you know, I have a bit of a boob thing.
	But it didn't, it all went here.
	Yeah.
	This massive gunt.
	This huge gunt that started from here and just went out down and then in a around just above my badge, which I lost sight of for that time.
	Was terrible.
	Yeah.
	What did you eat?
	Everything all the time.
	You had to get in, you know, five or six big meals, so you go to bed sick, wake up sick, eat more sick.
	It's just a lot of puking.
	Yeah, you probably have no idea about any of that at all.
	I imagine being such a healthy person as yourself.
	Well, I I go up and down like it's just my small you now, right?
	Well, kind of meaning of me.
	I've been smaller, but this is I have the obsession for food, Bill.
	It's the obsession.
	Yeah.
	Can you still eat it now or you can't eat it?
	Not now.
	No.
	But when I get into the hibernation mode, yeah, where I don't come out of my room and it's just all about food.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, but then how do you get the food?
	Do you bring it?
	No, I'll go to the store.
	You'll go to the store and get it.
	Yeah, or deliver it in.
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	And then you'll just eat it.
	Oh, I'll just stop.
	Just put it in, put it in.
	Just me.
	Just me and my food.
	I thought you said just meat, and I was like, that's kind of Texan sexy, but actually you said just you.
	Yeah, just me and my sugar and carbs.
	Yeah, so if you went to the store, like if you were about to go into hibernation like a winter bear.
	Um you went to the where would you go?
	CVS.
	Uh no, I'd go to the big grocery store.
	What aisle would you hit?
	Um bread.
	Oh anything bread, pizza, oh, no, pizza, cheese, you know, see bready.
	Uh yeah, cheesy bready with uh, you know, mayo, a lot of mail.
	Yeah, you know, anything fat, carb, sugary, pork.
	Pork.
	No, you love pork.
	I do, I love pork.
	Yeah, well.
	Yeah.
	Because I'm so devout Jewish.
	Well, well done.
	I've always had the obsession for pork since I was severely punished for eating it as a child by my grandmother who explained to me why Jews can't eat pork, and it resulted in a horrendous obsession for pork.
	But um, just big sandwiches, big old sandwiches I love potato chips, fries, you know.
	And it is there some kind of like if you go into that hibernation with the bag of that bag of groceries, is there some sort of like it's actually a little bit comfortable comforting because you're like, here I go.
	It's wonderful.
	Getting on that bus.
	Oh, hell yeah.
	Yeah.
	Going down the rabbit hole on the internet.
	Just accepting that you're going down.
	You didn't feel that when you did the weight gain.
	It wasn't like that.
	It's not no, I the weight gain, I I hated I was I was a cow.
	I was awful to lovely Mark.
	And lovely Mark was like, I don't get it.
	Anytime you've been told to do something, or you said you're going to do something, you just do it.
	I don't get it.
	What's your problem?
	And that made it worse.
	Because this was different.
	This wasn't a di this wasn't like, oh, I'll train to do a marathon, I'll train to do something tough, I'll beat these guys doing that, I'll beat these.
	This was making myself disgusting, and I hated it.
	Yeah.
	So I was a cow.
	And at one point he got a p which I really hated him for as well, because the production company said to him, Look, if you can get any private videos of her, that'd be just that'd be just you can imagine the content of that.
	Well, I was on the sofa couch, and I had my massive gunt wrapped in some vile festering pajama wear that only fat fucks would ever wear at 18 shins.
	I was eating and I was crying.
	I hate fat people for making me do.
	It's the most fucking disgusting thing you've ever seen in your life.
	And the self-pitying cow, me, like I look at that now.
	You you and Mark gave it to them and they put that in.
	Oh.
	Yeah, and I was just so ashamed of.
	How could you ever forgive him?
	Well, I haven't.
	I still hate him.
	The handbrake on the car will inexplicably go one day, and my revenge will be complete.
	But yeah, but I so I did do that too.
	But actually, it turned out to be this kind of nice story because actually I got hung out with loads of fat people.
	It was part of this filming, and then actually listening to people who were devastated by the fact they couldn't get off this ride of being huge and hating it.
	And of course, then immediately just the human you goes, shit.
	You know, it's rough.
	It is, it's a prison.
	A prison of your own making that you can't escape.
	You cannot escape.
	Well, I guess you can escape it, but it's very difficult to do so.
	But it's just like torture every minute.
	Yeah, and and then that lack of honesty around that.
	So other people, fat people, I would say manipulating other fat people into body positivity, body acceptance.
	I always found to be a massive manipulation of people who would want to be free from the prison of fatness, but were told by their fat friends, oh no, it's better to stay fat together.
	Yeah.
	Bless their bloody hearts that have chosen to escape the prison, and they Get completely ousted and annihilated by the chumble.
	That's what happened to me when I lost 120 pounds.
	People would hate me for losing it.
	And I got down to 103 pounds, and I I wore a size four.
	And uh, like I told my friend who also had lost 150 pounds, we spoke about it together, and I said, Well, we expected the men to change towards how they treated us just in public, but we never expected the change in women.
	And that was horrifying to see the difference in how women treated us.
	Because before when we were fat we were pretty much invisible, but when we looked, you know, good in the accepted, you know, uh social thing.
	Competition.
	Yeah, then it was like I'm gonna stab you to death.
	You're a disappointment to the body positive movement.
	You're you're a traitor.
	Yeah, body positive.
	But also to thin women, you were then uh you know, uh uh a uh like imposter.
	Well, no, you're uh somebody to compete with.
	Ah, competition to and I see this with this manjaro or we govia or wherever the hell it's called over here, these jabs, and then thin women slagging off the women using them because oh that's it.
	You think the answer's in a jab?
	Well, yeah.
	You mean Zempic like yeah, these jabs that can make you lose some weight, and these skinny bitches slagging off women using those jabs because they say, well, you should put the effort in and but you know, I just think this this idea that somehow fat people aren't allowed to be anything other than fat.
	That seems to be the rule.
	Yeah.
	Fat people want fat people to stay fat.
	Yeah.
	Skinny people don't like fat people when they decide to try and feel better.
	Right.
	It's like what what are you asking from fat people then?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	They they uh they like somebody to look down on, and they do.
	You know who I hate though, what's her name, Jake?
	That bitch that I hate.
	May I just get my may I ask for permission to get my little lousy drink?
	You don't have to ask permission, I'll get a four.
	But I feel like a child at school.
	Who what's her name, the fat lady?
	I could get it myself.
	You have to get a lady.
	Oh, Lizzo, do you hate her?
	I hate her gut.
	Thank you, thank you.
	Just explaining it, sister.
	I don't hate her.
	I don't I think she's very talented and all that stuff, but uh I hate all these fat bitches that started that body positivity because when I started my career, there was none of it.
	Like they'd put me on the cover of stuff and go big fat cow Roseanne, like right there where they did the thing about my show in Mad Magazine.
	Everything's a fat joke, going, she's eating a cow for dinner.
	Everything about me in all the press was just uh ridiculous fat jokes.
	There was no body positivity, no women stood up for me.
	Nobody stood up for me.
	No, you were just a fat woman that could be laughed at.
	Yeah.
	And not seen beyond.
	Yeah.
	Not seen beyond fat.
	And now, you know, they never thanked me that I was the pioneer that broke through that.
	You know what I mean?
	Yeah, no one ever went back and went, Oh, actually, you were out there way before we stood here being.
	And I really resent it.
	I you And they go, Lizzo broke down all these burials.
	I'm like, that fat bitch.
	Yeah, she didn't do shit.
	She didn't do shit, but put on a leotard, and they get some bigger fatters to dance around her, which I mean a fair play to those.
	I watched them and I think, Jesus, they that's a lot of weight to shift.
	Yeah.
	In a leotard, it's a lot to look at.
	Like I just do I do look at it in a sort of a golly way.
	You know when Lizo was proper fat and she would play the flute?
	It would always make me laugh because the flute would look like a piccolo because she was so fucking big the perspective got lost.
	Struck me as funny.
	But then you're not.
	But then you got fired for like a whole bunch of tweets and you know.
	Just because you were middle, you were just in the middle with common sense jokes, and fired from it.
	What was it like to grow up in England and see everything one way and then slowly see that you were being taken over by a uh I mean it it's actually it was a Muslim mafia, wasn't it?
	Aided by the left, like the fucking uh I'm thinking of those horrible magazines like Jezebel and Politico and all those shit left magazines that really took aim at any woman who was out of line and didn't go.
	I love that men come in the bathrooms and shove their dicks down my face.
	Exactly.
	I love it.
	I can't get enough of it.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So it became it just being a female and uh just speaking the you know, seeing speaking as I find it, or I'm regardless of size or side or politics or anything, just actually getting to know people and then saying how I felt about the thing or the that became so problematic.
	Talking about talking to ordinary people in tiny towns who would say, Oh, we're we're second class citizens here, we don't belong here anyway, we're being forced.
	There's no one left on my road.
	I used to know everyone on my road, I don't know anyone on my road now.
	And because they'd speak maybe with a bit of a funny accent, or they didn't look like a city person, or you know, they're missing a few teeth or had tattoos or seemed a bit common as a British sense, you know, the class thing in the UK is so strong.
	There was just sort of a mockery.
	Oh, Katie speaking to the uneducated idiots of England about how they feel, you know, that that the way that the the California some blue newsome love in California's look down on Rust Belt, that same thing.
	Well, they hate they hate the working class that does all the work.
	They hate the the people who pull on their boots and work land or work machinery or have skills or actual, you know, the stuff in life that when you need help, they're the exactly the person you want to come because they're tough and strong and stoic, and that's my whole heart all the time.
	It's mine too.
	Yeah, you know, and so I had to be, and then because I had this kind of at the point that I was at my biggest media-wise, and I had the Daily Mail most read column on the most read online newspaper, the most watched or listened to radio show in the heart of London.
	It was unthinkable that they would employ me.
	And I they did Tucker twice a week, Sean Hannity.
	I had this huge megaphone to my face, and I was saying stuff that was not allowed by everyone who controls media.
	Because you were the speaking for the common person.
	So they would, you know, I was in the heart of London doing a radio show, and and they'd ne all their numbers for London were always great because they had people from which would be like LA, having people from LA talk about LA things, did it, but I had people calling in from all ends of the country because they got what I was saying.
	They knew my story and they knew I got them.
	So the numbers were so huge, I was difficult to get rid of me, but then eventually the pressure became so great I was removed from everything.
	Sounds familiar.
	Right.
	And uh without even notice or warning, I've always said, you know, if I wrote some crap columns or no one was reading them anymore, or my radio show tanked like it had no listeners, I'm a or I'd fire myself.
	Yeah.
	I don't want to turn up and do something that I'm not good at.
	I I don't want I don't want a job because I want a job.
	I want a job because I'm good at the job.
	But to be fired because you're good at your job, yeah, but it's not okay.
	Hello, that's the thing, isn't it?
	Yeah, they did it all at the same time too.
	And what's fascinating to me is that when you got in trouble when you started to cover the migrants and the uh is it save the children?
	Yeah, and all of the NGOs that are basically the paid transport system for flesh moving across the planet, providing their cut off cash to heads of churches, heads of state, heads of religious organizations.
	That's the stuff every day and has been for 20, 30 years longer, and they're all in on it.
	And I mean, how much did that blow your mind, first of all, to find out about it, to discover it?
	To discover it, one thing, a bit like me walking into the production offices and saying, you know what, fat people are pissing me off.
	I'm gonna put on weight lose again to show that you can do something about it if you want, but then understanding it at the level of individual women and individual men who some of whom had butchered themselves to try and escape the prison of fatness and it becoming something Much, much more personal, the same thing, seeing what was going on, knowing, tracking, seeing the following the intelligence of watching these NGO boats meet their schedule appointment time to pick up their next cargo of flesh.
	So from seeing it at a strategic level to actually standing and sweating on the shore and watching those smug, well-funded people working the ferries for flesh and still act pious,
	and then be schlepping tired, you know how it is on the road, it's a schlep to find a lady, young girl sat on a stripy horrible chair in the blazing sunshine on a road in southern Italy with this little bit of hopeless makeup smeared.
	I just blue smeared here and red sort of put here to look like makeup, and then knowing that she was one of the ones that they would have brought across and stopping, we stopped, and the photographer got pictures from a way back, and I asked her what she was doing there.
	I mean, it was obvious what she was doing there at the lay by, but she said, Oh, my job's to help the truckers have a better day.
	And she was ill, and you could see she was ill.
	And I asked where she stayed, and she said she was in a house and that she would be collected later.
	And I asked her, you know, could do you ever think you'll be able to leave this place, this life.
	And she said, Oh, God willing.
	And you know, that stuck with me so everything about that is is you know, it's scorched into my soul, because she was at the point where the only hope she would have is that God had a plan for her.
	And that is enough sometimes, right?
	We that's the hope, but also just make me rage that these smug idiots that have the power and think that the better people are responsible for her, and every single other woman, child boy butchered by the people who bring them over for their own pleasure.
	And then that that one-on-one understanding of what's going on.
	That's why it gives you the strength to hate, actually.
	You know, I I hate that the chief rabbi wrote to my editor to have me fired for sticking my nose into this.
	I hate that the head of the Catholic churches was involved.
	I don't want to know that the religious people are into that.
	I don't.
	I'd really rather not, I really rather they weren't.
	I don't want the board of deputies to be aligning with the Muslim council to get me out of my job, because it doesn't solve what the actual issue is.
	And in a world I I much preferred it when I believed religious people were good.
	I preferred it when I believed the law was the law.
	I preferred it when democracy meant something in my country.
	You know, I preferred it, many of us preferred it.
	Yeah, you know.
	What was it like to see the uh mail come off to experience the veil come off and see it for what it was?
	Really, really, really lonely.
	Like um, lonely's not the word.
	Like uh isolating.
	Yeah, exactly.
	That's where I was going next.
	But almost then a picture like, you know, if you were thrown down a well, and you'd be at the bottom of the well, and it would be really, really golly, at the bottom if the well was deep, the bottom of the well, you could imagine being really dark.
	That's it, it's that picture.
	When I saw those emails coming in from my editor saying, What what is like he had never seen anything like it?
	What's going on?
	Why is the head of everyone everywhere wanting you gone?
	It felt like being at the bottom of the well, because I knew back then I didn't realise we'd be doing this now, but I knew I would never be able to have the opportunity to persuade, I'd never have the opportunity to for anyone to believe the story, because I was so hated, and no one would care, and they'd all be celebrating that I'd been let go from my job because they all hated me anyway.
	You couldn't run the story, right?
	And the story was human trafficking.
	Yeah, no, no, though my editor never would never he never printed the story.
	See, I always thought you were cancelled for other things.
	This is kind of the beginning of your concept.
	No, this was the whole You stumbled on every other thing got thrown in then and stuck and had been sticking.
	But this was the moment.
	The pin was pulled, and I was thrown down the well.
	Yeah.
	And the world then, it seemed to me the world.
	It wasn't the world, it was a few people, but everyone was celebrating.
	Hopkins out, the downfall of Hopkins, removed from mail, of course, then two minutes later, the radio show was gone, never booked again, banned from Fox, bam from I mean, I'm speaking to the the originals, but um just the celeb the jubilation of the hyenas.
	Yeah, it is.
	This is the fat story again.
	This is the thin people didn't like it because the fat people basically everyone who pretended to be an ally before was loving it because there was an opportunity for them.
	The people who hated me before, it was a brilliant, it was jubilation because aha, the witch is dead.
	You know, a lovely lady I know who I admire for speaking truth.
	The day she found out my radio show was also gone, she got on the phone to my radio boss to ask if she could have my slot.
	Jeez.
	And she told me that, which I have a great deal of respect for her saying that, because it's actually the most truthful, it's the person with the sword in your in your belly, telling you that they held the sword.
	Yeah.
	The first thing she thought to do was to try and get the slot.
	Yeah.
	And that's true of our allies a lot of the time.
	Yeah.
	It's why we don't have allies anymore.
	Yeah.
	Get rid of them all.
	Well, we saw how they were with you, but most notably with Charlie Kirk's assassination.
	I mean, they were celebrating on the street.
	Yeah.
	The same people, and it's it's demonic.
	And the to think it is demonic, because only demons can do that kind of thing with children and human flesh, as you say, human beings, human souls.
	Only demons do that.
	And of course they're in the real they're religious, of course, because as of the old saying, where's the safest place for the devil to hide in church and religion?
	In church and religion, and and right next to you, actually.
	You know, if you're looking for something, very often the hardest place to find it is if it's pinned on your back.
	Yeah.
	And I've very for a long time I've believed that uh, and then this isn't meant to sort of persuade people to be distrustful of people around them, but I found some of the biggest harms or the uh the greatest grievances you can suffer are typically uh inflicted on you by those closest to you.
	Yeah, yeah.
	That's why stabbings are uh from intimate partners.
	Yeah.
	They like to get right up close to see you go.
	I mean, I read a lot about serial killers.
	Yeah.
	But I mean, that's their thrill is to see you to see the moment of recognition that you know you've gone.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, and I s and I see that a lot with people around, and it's why you know, COVID and lockdowns were so divisive because the people you thought were family or friends, people you'd invited to your weddings, or people you you had shared the birth of this with, or I don't know what's important to people, but things, people you thought you knew, suddenly you realize you didn't know them at all.
	And it was that was terrifying in some regard because you believed you knew them, and then you were being proven wrong in real time.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And that's an that's an unusual thing to happen to a human brain or heart.
	Yeah, and over and over again.
	It you know and over.
	Over and over.
	It's like non-stop trauma.
	Yeah.
	You know, we've lived through that for like what since 2001 almost repeatedly.
	Yeah, but but I think not to dwell on the negative of it, what it did, like almost like cutting, you know, cutting flesh off something.
	What it did, it cut it cut away a big swathe of us across all of our countries who saw the lie, knew it was wrong, yeah, and we cut we were cast out,
	but we almost we almost enjoyed being cast away because we became a a very unique community that was now joined by this idea that everyone should be what the hell they Want, think what the hell they want, be what the hell they want, just don't tell me what to bloody well do.
	Right.
	And we were very lucky, I think, to live into this moment, which I think is where we ended up.
	Yeah.
	How do you feel about uh you know the whole the whole uh I mean it was three million people in the streets of London.
	Oh, the Unite the Kingdom round September the 13th.
	Yeah, it's massive, it's massive.
	It was mind-blowing to see it.
	It was it was beyond anything I could have imagined.
	So Tommy Robinson's the guy that organized it, and he of anyone he was tortured, tortured in jail for showing a documentary.
	He was told, do not show the documentary or we will put you in jail.
	About rape gangs.
	About rape gangs.
	And he took the documentary and he put it on massive screens in the middle of Trafalgar Square and went, watch this.
	So the courage of the guy the courage of the guy, yeah.
	You know, to just know the consequence and still do it.
	People can encourage him and say they've got his back and that they're behind him, but it's a very different thing when it's actually you, as you'll know as well.
	Like people say, 'I've got you, we're right behind you.
	But when the shit really yeah, where you're losing your house and your home, you look around and go where'd they go?
	So, but he committed to that, and then when he was put in prison this time for the crime of oh, whatever else it was, he made a commitment that there would be this rally, and um when he was in solitary, I obviously committed that I would be there.
	Yeah, and um, and then on the day, and he kept saying in the weeks before, you know, he said, Casey, everywhere I go, they're saying see you, see you on Saturday, see you on see you at the rally Friday, Saturday, Saturday.
	And I had the same experience.
	I'd be walking by see it's you see in London, see Saturday, and I'd be like, shoo, this is bigger than anywhere I was, it was happening, it was happening to him, and then on the day, I mean, the numbers would uh on the train I got on miles away, everybody on that train was going.
	I mean, it's just set my arms off now.
	But and so it was glorious.
	I loved it for Tommy because it was only he could pull those people into one.
	Yeah, only he could only he because people and you with your help.
	People don't have money, it's not surplus money in the UK.
	People are suffering right now, and they still got on trains that are expensive and made it there.
	And then also there's all this always this thing, same with Trump inaugurations, whatever the numbers, the numbers.
	But I've the numbers don't matter because the aerial views showed the streets full of people.
	Yeah.
	So when people get into the numbers, I'm like, I don't care.
	The aerial shots show it.
	Whatever they want to like, does those streets are not small.
	Yeah.
	And then at a personal level, there was a point where we were trying to get forwards.
	We had to get through a slightly constricted area, and the crush was a real and b frightening because you know that a crowd that keeps its momentum, it will crush you, you you're dead.
	So that and then the fact that that moment in history coincided with losing Charlie just uh a few days before meant that it was just such a great moment for and I speak for no one but myself,
	but for us to let America know that we saw, yeah, that we see, and that we so support our American friends, patriots across the pond, not just Charlie, but it was a moment I felt like for London to say America, you know.
	Sadiq Khan, which I have a different name for that rhymes with runt, Sadiq doesn't speak for us.
	No, we speak for us, and we love you lot, you know, and that that's what I loved about it.
	I loved it.
	America could look and see us.
	Yeah, it meant so much, and it was all over the place, like it was in Germany, it was in uh Denmark, it was Seoul, like over like Asia was with it, you know.
	Everyone it was almost to me like you know, the whole thing about you know, lanterns on a hill, you like back in the days you light the fire on the hill as a marker, and then it would spread.
	That to me was what it was like.
	It was like us because America has all has been for so long with Trump coming back and 80 million Americans voting Trump.
	You've been the shining beacon on the hill for us.
	And it was like a little day where we got to go.
	Yeah.
	Here's us.
	Yeah.
	We we're part of you.
	We're grateful to you.
	We see you and we're sorry.
	You know, and that's it was so it was just like a biblical level event for me.
	I'm not sure I'm over it yet, honestly.
	I don't think we'll ever get over it.
	I don't think we'll ever get over the the uh assassination of Charlie Kirk.
	I don't think the the world will get I think it's a watershed moment, not to be cheesy, but for uh um liberty.
	But my God, you know, can you believe that our leaders have sold us out so completely for to have their own pockets?
	It's uh it's uh everything we stand for, all of our values meant nothing to them.
	It's sort of just you know, if you if the word disappointment could be sort of scaled up magnificently and and then m put in large fonts and then emboldened and underlined.
	The disappointment of the huge gulf between the brilliance of the ordinary, and I mean ordinary people like us, yeah, ordinary.
	The brilliance of the ordinary folk in the street versus those who attain power.
	Yeah.
	That's got to be one of the cruelest kind of I know what you mean.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I know exactly what it's like.
	The ordinary person every day is brilliant.
	Yeah.
	So much more brilliant, more brilliant than the leaders of the school.
	The sold-out leaders.
	You know what I mean?
	About everybody, though the mad crazy guy in the street that's washing himself in the fountain, you know, the the mother that's dealing with 15 children and somehow keeping her shit together, you know, the guy that's working three jobs, maybe has a mistress as well, but somehow has managed to dress himself.
	Like the sheer tenacity of the human spirit to somehow make shit work and try and keep up the illusion that any of us have got our stuff together when really none of us have.
	That to me is the the essence of everything, and it's why I love being on the road, because that's where real life is.
	Well, how do you feel about Tucker?
	I mean, he seems to have taken a traitorous turn against the people of the earth you were on his show.
	How do you feel about him?
	I can't get over what a traitor he is to um the entire West.
	What is he doing?
	He's he's a fucking Islam now.
	It's so odd to me.
	You know, I've invited to be on his show twice a week, you know, back in the day, that was sort of a thing because it wasn't hard to gang, right?
	And you know, the main slot on Tucker twice a week is a big thing.
	And and then now he just obviously is going in some other direction that I have no understanding.
	A lot of MAGA is.
	I saw this thing where Tucker was uh was uh registered foreign agent for Qatar.
	I saw his papers where well that was to interview the the Qatari official, to be fair.
	Because Laura Lewis had that expose like Tucker's owned by Guitar, and it was like they they paid him to come interview him, which we all know were on the street.
	I I I just I I don't like that one.
	I just can't believe that he is so embracing um well, let me just say can I say something because I've watched this I understand the libertarian Tucker thing.
	I've always defended Candace and Tucker here.
	You've you I apologize to you, you were right, I was wrong.
	I'll give you that.
	But I understand it.
	What I don't understand is post-Charlie Kirk.
	Yeah.
	For them to dig in Tucker, Candace, and those types and make this about donors pressuring Charlie and Israel and just sort of sort of this they're not saying it outright explicitly, but they're kind of pointing to it.
	When we already know who the shooter is, it's clearly someone that was leftist, it's clearly someone that was mind-controlled and brainwashed on the universities.
	I won't even get into who funds the fucking universities.
	It's the same people that you're you're accusing of paying Tucker, but it's no surprise to me that Charlie Kirk, who was a uh proponent of uh uh uh he was pro-Israel, is killed on a college campus where certain companies pay in the billions to brainwash these kids.
	To me, if Tucker or Candace want to point out, hey, there's Charlie on the point out there's donors and weird shit happening.
	Why are we talking about Israel, not Qatar or Cutter?
	Like it's c there's a link there, and I don't even make that link.
	I'm only doing it now just to say, look, I could make that link, and I'm not gonna, because there's very little evidence.
	So you're gonna be able to do that.
	One day Charlie said uh the left is using Islam to slit the throat of the West.
	The next day he was shot in the throat.
	And uh Well, how here's how it went.
	He made that statement.
	The next day, Catherine Harridge, a great journalist, came out with a um video showing how Saudi Arabia was totally involved at 9-11.
	Of course.
	And then the day after that, Charlie got shot in the throat.
	And uh then the day after that, the guy that shot that health executive.
	Yeah, Manjoni or whatever.
	Yeah, they re drop the terrorist charges against him.
	So they made terrorism legal, kinda.
	All those things happen in four days, and then they all blamed Israel.
	Yeah, well, yeah.
	And to me, that's shows it's inorganic, and there's something else at play here, and it's terrifying because we know that we let me just say this.
	We've been waiting a long time for the world to wake up to how violent the left is, and we got that now.
	We have the moment, there's no more argument.
	The violence is coming from your side, Democrats.
	And Candace and Tucker wait for this for 10 years.
	We went through COVID, we've been through election fraud, and they choose this time to point the finger at BB Netanyahu when we have we could this could take us to the midterms and win the next 10 fucking elections.
	It's clear now.
	We have moral fucking authority, and they're pissing it away for some weird anti-Israel campaign that's not even linked, it makes zero sense to me.
	They're showing who and what they are, and I think I have a theory that it's whether they're paid or not, that there's certain people that want MAGA divided by Christian Zionists, pro-West, and this whatever the fuck this shit is, this Nazi, let's fucking Chris Long, let's uh uh let's uh align ourselves with fucking terrifying.
	That's the split.
	I've have you seen a split.
	Just yeah, I think you know, for me, it's it's sort of sometimes when terrible things happen, we try and find a theory to explain it.
	Um so some people try and explain me away by saying that I'm a massive Zionist shill and I'm paid for by the Jewish agencies.
	Uh uh, I categorically can assure you I'm not, hence these trousers are about eight years old.
	But you know, that's not I'm not trying to defend myself here, but I would say that in a time of horror, sometimes I think it is appropriate for people to just shut up.
	Yeah, just shut up.
	Right.
	And what I what I probably don't understand is having watched over the decades of Candace and Charlie when they were working together, is I would have thought that if you were so close to someone in the way that I observed them for over a decade, your horror at what's gone on would leave you, if not mute, then recognizing that the most respectful thing you could do would be to be mute.
	Because I think silence accords some of the most respectful moments there are.
	Which I appreciate my mouth is always open.
	I've always got a bloody opinion at everything, and everyone can say I'm a hypocrite at this point.
	But silence is a very powerful way of stating respect.
	And I would much have preferred Candace and Tucker and others, whomever's engaging in this, what many people actually, to just shut up because Charlie was a good man.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And we don't have him, and stop chasing clicks for your sad little shows.
	For God's sake, shut up.
	Amen.
	And how um Do you think they're making a power grab for TPUSA because the national socialists of which they are, really?
	Uh the national socialist wing of the far right, uh, they want to control TP USA.
	Do you think?
	You know how I was mentioning when I was removed and I was removed from my radio show.
	I a lady I respect rang immediately to try and get my slot.
	The jealousy that is accorded to Charlie Kirk, I'll speak about him in the present tense, has always been so strong because he was the obvious next presidential candidate after some time when he was older.
	He had the funding that they were also jealous of.
	They were so jealous of his billionaire donors, actually, because they would love to have them themselves, especially with the mess that some of them have currently got themselves into financially, despite marrying very rich husbands.
	A lot of legal bills coming.
	We've got a lot of legal bills that the uh husband's family will not be too impressed by.
	But that's not the point.
	The point is that so much jealousy around Charlie that in the moments of his death, instead of the silence of respect, the jealous see an opportunity, and the the opportunists are very often the ones closest again to Charlie.
	There is now a massive power struggle underway for who is going to be the rightful owner of the billions that are sitting in a war chest for Charlie's presidential run.
	Yeah.
	So the worst of humankind will show itself.
	Witness it.
	And we will bear witness.
	Um I feel so sorry for the uh youth that love Charlie and what he led them to, which was basically self.
	Uh well, introspection.
	Totally.
	And they and a connection to their own power source, their own God.
	Right.
	And they're trying to, yeah.
	And they're trying to pull them into ideology.
	Yeah, whereas plug into goodness, wasn't he?
	It was about charging yourself up with goodness.
	Yeah.
	If you know what you're believing, you live by rules that you understand by you know your commitment to your faith.
	You'll feel power, you'll know power, you'll have power, and you'll have the power to do good things and to be resilient against difficult things.
	He he was charging people up, and that's why, in a way, like, you know, we come from farming stocks.
	So when you scrape, when you scrape the yard, you scrape after the cows have milked or whatever.
	That's how I kind of see it is I try and just sort of scrape away all of the muck of the of the people wrestling over who's going to be anointed king.
	And underneath that is this vast layer of students who love Charlie and still want to continue what he was trying to do.
	This horrible squabbling few, uh noisy, noisy fools.
	Yeah.
	You know, isn't it?
	They're always the same.
	It's always the same.
	They get the share of voice, but they don't deserve the share of voice.
	Remember the cast of Roseanne turned on there.
	It's an interesting parallel you're drawing with Tucker and Candace.
	You can see that there's some truth to it.
	And the person trying to take your radio show that it's it is a it's a void of power that people just want to fill right in.
	It's disgusting.
	And and for a long time but they don't have any uh they don't have any direction, they don't have any core, they don't have any beliefs in really, they don't have any belief in the God of goodness.
	It's a uh divisive, hateful uh cry for blood.
	Yeah.
	And it's a belief I think fomented in the idea that uh we are all in competition with each other in the sense that they perceive they are as talented or as gifted or if not more gifted than Charlie.
	Well, look what he's got all these donors and all this stuff.
	I'm better than what he is, so now he's not here.
	Righteously, I should have all of that stuff.
	Yeah, exactly.
	One moment that they have the kind of introspective ability to go, hmm, maybe he did have qualities of staying power of doing the same thing over and over every day, every damn day on a plane at a campus.
	Do you think he really wanted to do that some days when he woke up?
	Yeah, he did it.
	And this there are perception that it's a competition, yeah.
	And that's why we see all of this segmentation of damn everything.
	Yeah, every movement on our side, every kind of nationalist movement on every country has divided into shattered fragments of what it should be.
	We've got Nigel Farage with reform.
	We've got Ben Habib with Advanced UK.
	We've got Rupert Lowe with his party.
	We've got Lawrence Fox with Reclaim.
	We've got Unite the Kingdom with Tommy.
	You know what I mean?
	And then over here, it's the National People's Front.
	Oh, we're the People's National Front.
	We're the National Federation of Women.
	We're the women's federated republic women.
	We're federated, but not republic, but federated.
	Jesus people.
	It's it's factioning the greatest tool of the left.
	Yeah.
	That's what communism really does is faction people.
	Faction the power of the people into little tiny pieces so they can't get together and say, no, we're not doing that.
	Which those marches were like, no, we're not doing that.
	We're not gonna let you do that to us.
	Yeah, which is why it was so soft.
	Everyone was in.
	Yeah.
	And and the thing that was so lovely that I just loved that this in you know, I love to take things down to the level of individual because there's so much hope and positivity at the level of individual.
	Is that people said to me, Oh, you know, we came today, we didn't know, we weren't we didn't know about coming, you know.
	Some people are nervous or anxious, have been told it might be frightening or whatever, and they came, they were like, everyone's just been so nice.
	Yeah, and that was always true with Trump rallies that I've ever been at.
	Yeah, people like to go to them, regardless of really Trump or MAGA or whatever, they'd go because it was so nice.
	Yeah, everyone's having a lovely day, we've all got a flag, you know, we're all here together, something goes wrong, you know, they're respectful to law enforcement.
	If there's litter, someone picks it up.
	It's like, oh, it's really nice hanging out with these people, and I think that's what Charlie built.
	Yeah, I didn't know.
	It was really for people to turn up at Charlie events, they were really nice.
	Well, I loved how they would send their best in to battle him, oh, and he would just be kind, rational, and uh stay in the stay in the uh calm space and never let him bring they he never let them bring him to the edge of his chair,
	never and never let them enrage him or uh manipulate him or move him off this his center point, never which was so powerful, and that sent such a great message to the young people, especially young men, because he looked strong and defiant.
	He did.
	Oh, he did, and there's I I watched this little instant, like I know you shouldn't go on Instagram and watch animals because that obviously makes you a sad bastard.
	But I was watching a hippo earlier, a baby hippo, and the zookeeper was trying to get the baby hippo into its where it should go, but the hippo didn't want to because he wanted to be in the water, and baby hippos are the I love that.
	I know what you're trying.
	I watch all the animal videos.
	Yeah, okay.
	I love the baby hippo.
	I just there's I just think I I don't know, I think I definitely want to come back as that.
	But anyway, the baby hippo is learning how to weight himself so that if she tries to move him, he goes into like heavy hippo mode, and she can't pick him up, even though he's a baby, she can't pick him up.
	And like that's like Charlie, when they would come at him and they would say stuff that if it caught you in the wrong moment, or like if it caught me and I'm hungry, yeah.
	I'm a bitch when I'm hungry, like I will rile for no one, you know, anything, boom.
	That he would go into like weighted, right?
	He would go, hook.
	You and it wasn't you couldn't see it, but he was he would not that you could have just battered him and he would not have gone down, would he?
	Yeah, and that was such a great thing.
	And I actually I disagree with the people who are doing the obnoxiously simple thing of taking Charlie clips where he's supposed to be a bad guy, and then explaining why he's actually a good guy with another clip.
	I find that so obnoxiously simplistic content, I can't even bear it, because you don't have to answer to that crap because he wasn't those things.
	So all you have to say is, well, that's a load of crap, and I'm not gonna even gonna give it the air time.
	Why do people you know they want the clicks so they play the bad stuff about Charlie?
	It's just that is so lame.
	It's the indulgence of cretins for clicks, yeah.
	It is and we do that in our lives as well.
	Yeah, I remember when I was We we some of us uh we need to cling to the negative, that's where We're fed.
	We can't uh a lot of us don't even know what the positive is.
	Right, right, right.
	And this indulgence of cretins is something I try through what I do to help people see.
	Yeah.
	Not this is how you deal with cretins, watch me put this guy down.
	Not that, not that.
	Let me film Antifa and show them shouting.
	Not that.
	But how do you go like a heavy hippo?
	Yeah.
	And not indulge Cretins.
	So an example, my first husband, I'm counting them up, ops.
	I'm on second.
	Yeah.
	Call Mark my current husband.
	See, you're my aspirational woman.
	You're my role model, right?
	But when Damien left me, not only did he just leave me, which and I stole him from his wife, so let's not, you know, let's not, oh, holier than thou.
	Um, he left me in the maternity ward.
	Oh my god.
	Second hour, second daughter.
	So I just gave birth the following morning he was gone.
	Ran off with the secretary.
	Uh-uh.
	But this isn't this isn't a criticism of him.
	So I had two children under the age of two on my own with no husband.
	And I remember a friend from the where I worked, she worked with for me, whatever.
	I remember her coming around going, Oh, how are you doing?
	God, it must be must be so bad.
	And I was reading about Damien, and and he's um he's and I went, stop.
	Stop.
	Because she was about to show me, I don't know, I think he'd gone to Barbados or something.
	You know, and I'd been deliberately in order to self-preserve, not looking at anything because I couldn't, I couldn't handle it.
	And and I just managed to say, Stop.
	I don't want to hear another thing.
	I don't want to hear another thing.
	Because one of the things people close to you with the knife in their hand do is going, Oh, is it is it you must be, I'm so sorry, you must be feeling dreadful.
	And then they're waiting to catch.
	I know they want to help you feel worse.
	They want to help you bleed, and they want to catch your blood, and then they want to make themselves feel better by oh, my life is way better than hers right now.
	And and that's one of really the most powerful things I try and say to particularly women is be aware for those people.
	And it's fine that they're in your lives, and it's fine that you hang out with them, but don't fill them up.
	Yeah, yeah.
	See the trough that they come with, you know, if there was a bucket here, see the bucket they're holding.
	Let them hold the bucket.
	Tell them you see the bucket, tell them I see what you're trying to do, but I'm not gonna fill you up with all of this.
	You know what I mean?
	Yes, I do.
	They can still be with you, they can still be your drinking partner, your work colleague.
	You don't have to cut everyone out of your life if you don't want to.
	But you can control what they do to you.
	You control the Cretin.
	Yeah.
	And I see it around Charlie now.
	I see with the behavior of these people.
	Yeah.
	And I'm it's okay, be a Cretin.
	I'm not gonna go on social media and post about you being a Cretin.
	I don't need to, I'm holding silence, but I see you.
	Yeah, I see.
	That's what's good in one way is that we do see.
	We do see them.
	People see witnesses.
	And other quiet people witness.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I think it's all about witnessing what what people are doing, so we can see who they are.
	And when they tell us we have to see it, we don't we can't excuse it.
	No, and we have to have to really see it.
	You don't have to react to it necessarily at in that moment either.
	Um, you know, there's this saying about you know, if you want to And don't excuse them.
	But no, no, no.
	Everybody rushes to excuse me.
	No, no, no, you hold the bucket.
	Yeah, I see you with the bucket, you will hold it.
	Yeah.
	I want you to know I see it, I see you.
	Yeah, and then you leave that, and then you wait quietly by the river, because if you wait there long enough, the bodies come floating by, you know, that sense of hold your power, yeah, is the other thing.
	Like, don't give it away.
	Right.
	That is what Charlie did.
	I I could see him go deep into center, yeah, and just stand there in strength and belief.
	No, what was just such a great uh great uh thing to model for people.
	I think it'll it's gonna be felt for a really long time.
	Yeah, I don't I don't even think it's explicable to people yet.
	No, things I think things are time to find words and articulate them, and also I think things come like I imagine if you're having thoughts or whatever, come to you in quiet moments, yeah.
	and then suddenly you're impacted by something that you realize that you hadn't realized until that moment.
	Right.
	You can't sit and find it.
	It has to come to you when when you're have space for it, I think.
	So but I still feel this weird uh maybe an adrenaline overload from whatever, but there is this weird positivity out of it.
	Yeah, I wouldtimism.
	I have this huge sense of optimism out of it with it.
	Um I feel like I'm gonna ask you uh a question after this, but I feel like uh everything's being exposed for us to see, which might this might be the first time in history when uh we're actually seeing everything being exposed before our eyes,
	and no amount of church or state and no amount of bullshit can keep us from seeing it clearly, and that's huge.
	And uh, and I and I agree, I so see that, and then I also see people arriving now with questions, questioning, and I love that that people are turning up, you know.
	I I call it with my kind of crowd, oh so OFO fuck off, right?
	So here I say uh in the audience, I'll say, I I see you guys, because I really do.
	I see them in the street, I know when I walk past one of us, oh fuck off, because we've been lied to and told stuff for so long, that already right here it's there, they're already before you even say anything, they're like, I know enough now to know I'm not gonna take any shit from you.
	No, whatever it is, I'll listen and I'll decide for myself what I'll be doing next.
	Thank you.
	I love that people come with that, and then I love I love that we're able to show and demonstrate this loveliness.
	So the rally with this aerial shot, just just that is a purest kind of demonstration of just support for a something bigger than whatever we've been told.
	And then at my shows now, where my my not even my supporters, people will come to the show, sell them out in moments.
	So the theatre will be reluctant to hold them 48 theatres cancelled in the first tour, then we go back to the ones that held firm and now none cancelled in the last well, one cancelled in the last tour.
	But now, because theatres, if they will have the courage to hold a night, it's only a comedy night for Christ's sake, then a lot will sell the place out in record time because they're putting power into us, and then the theatre staff without fail will say to lovely Mark, usually, well, we were so surprised by the audience.
	We were so surprised by how lovely the audience were, and Mark will always say, Well, thank you very much.
	That's really kind.
	The team will be really grateful to hear that.
	But I want to say that's on you.
	Yeah, you were surprised because you're an idiot because you were sold that everybody around me, or any of us, whatever, is is a is it's gonna turn up and be a thug or a moron or a you know, and that and I we don't do that because obviously lovely Mark knows better about how to manage a tour than I do,
	but it's on you that you were surprised by my audience, because I'm not surprised, and I'm not surprised that there's a 92-year-old and an 18-year-old and sturdy little lesbians by the hundreds because I love studying lesbians.
	I know.
	I'm not surprised because we know our side, it's everyone.
	Yeah.
	It reminds me when I went to Las Vegas first to headline after uh saying the I butchered the national anthem and everything, and they did a big thing on Vegas, and they asked this guy, what's the most surprising thing you've seen in Vegas in your 30-year career?
	And he said, believe it or not, he said uh uh that the audience supports Roseanne Barr.
	That's what he said.
	That is precision, Yeah.
	Exactly.
	Well, I mean, apart from the fact that you just threw in there when I headlined in Vegas, which was kind of that was quite a power move.
	I'd really like to be able to say that.
	But other than that, the precision of that.
	That's it precisely what I'm saying.
	People like Roseanne Barr.
	And they still say it all the time.
	What?
	People like Roseanne Barr.
	They can't fucking believe it.
	No, and it and even then, after you stand on a stage and say, I'm, you know, at the front of the end of a show, not here for you to agree with me tonight.
	I'm not here to be liked.
	And at various points tonight, you'll probably be offended.
	And that's perfect.
	Like we, I suspect, I have never asked to be liked.
	I just want to make people laugh.
	Right.
	But what I'm saying is you never asked to be liked.
	You always just been out there saying your shit, doing your shit.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Doing your skill, your craft.
	I want to piss people off.
	Piss people off making them.
	And make them think, make them laugh.
	Oh, your mic's gone.
	Yeah, you need to.
	I want I want to provoke a slump.
	You want to pr we want to provoke people into thought.
	Or or love us or hate us.
	Or do both in the same place.
	What are you gonna do now?
	You're you're doing your show and you're doing another you're kind of doing an evening with a salon kind of thing.
	What are you doing?
	No, it's um I'll I'm gonna I'm gonna be not British and put myself down and be apologetic for myself.
	I'm just gonna try and say what I do.
	I do a stand-up comedy show.
	That's awesome.
	I have a warm-up guy for 20 minutes who is I love him, he's brilliant.
	It started on Britain's Got Talent, but he's actually funny.
	And then I do that's amazing 30 minutes first half, I do a strong 45 second half, and people have loved it.
	This is the third tour we've done this year.
	We I did uh 55 venues, all five nations.
	Wow, uh 50 odd thousand tickets, uh fully sold out, fastest selling small tour in the UK.
	Great, and uh and we're on every single venue has rebooked for next year, and some of them now are a week long in these theatres in towns where I'm not I shouldn't be there, but I am, and so I call it one of them I'm calling my residency, like Vegas, like Celine Dion, but more agile.
	I call her Saline VI.
	I did there is some funny shit around Celine Dion, which you and I are not going into right at this point.
	But anyway, it's super it's turned out to be super successful, and I am beyond grateful to everybody who comes because they come in, many of them come alone, they leave feeling better, and we have a great time.
	That's the best thing in the world.
	Are you gonna do it in the States?
	And I I do you know how much I'd love to do it here?
	I would love to see you do it here.
	Oh, and do you know how much I I want to use my words carefully, but maybe I shouldn't.
	Maybe I should just use my words.
	It pisses me off that no bastard male stand-up has thought, oh, why don't I get Katie over as my warm-up?
	Like, how much how freaking I'm not saying I'm anything, I'm not saying I've got it.
	Well, you're no warm-up, that's why.
	Well, no, I'll be I'll be in anything.
	But I just mean like freaking hell, boys, boys on the network, or the team, or the conservative.
	Oh, well, they hate us.
	I don't I mean, they hate women, I mean they do, uh you know.
	It's just a cities like you shouldn't, bitch, but I'm just gonna have one moment where I do.
	You see these people who are just not fucking funny.
	They're not where they hate us, or because they're whatever, they they're all they get these comedy nights, and I just think, oh, fuck off.
	Yeah.
	Well, they're not funny, and so you know, we are funny.
	We are funny, and that's we're funnier and shit, and they hate that, and they're just boring and stayed.
	Yeah, but I get all these people saying, I'd love to come and see you.
	Let me know when you're coming over.
	I'd love to come to one of your shows, and I want to go, yeah, go on then, tell one of the boys to book me.
	Yeah, that but that's a slightly.
	I think we should start our own thing, and I am working on it.
	Let's do it.
	A whole woman thing that doesn't have nothing to do with dicks, or periods.
	I'm so sick of uh dictards, I'm just over it.
	No, we're not doing that woman stuff.
	No, I'm over dictarted humans, yeah.
	No, that's and I want elevated uh comedy material and uh thoughtful, thought-provoking stuff.
	So um, you know, I am working on it, but then you know, I get way laid by life cheese and wine.
	No, but I am thinking of it, and I love cheese.
	I am putting something together, aren't I, Jake?
	Yeah, lots of exciting announcements coming in there.
	Lots of exciting things.
	So I will so nice to have each other.
	I will thank you.
	I just want to oh bless you.
	That wasn't a that wasn't a cry for help, it was more than a lot of it.
	I know it wasn't a cry for help.
	I want all the funny women uh I want to promote and uh be part of people seeing how funny women are and can't be some women are not fucking funny, but I just want the funny ones and there's a lot of them.
	Where where are you living now?
	Now on the road or yeah, so my favorite place is to be on the road.
	So with the tour we just did, it was from April to the end of uh nearly the end of August, just every night moving.
	Okay, um, or every couple nights moving with a van.
	Doing that next year, too.
	Doing that next year from April through to August again.
	So are you here in the States till April or No, but I want to be back over here.
	We want to spend more time here.
	I do want to do shows over here.
	Oh, you need to.
	Yeah, I want to, I want to, and I want to, you know, it's obviously it's a different kind of humor, it's a different kind of funny, and it's a different kind of audience, which I totally respect.
	But just I just love being out amongst ordinary people, yeah.
	And and also I really believe that the idleness of so many of the big names, and I'm not making this just a boy thing, but the idleness of so many of the big names is that it is obsessed by the negative.
	Yeah, it is a regurgitation of all the darkness.
	It is, oh, let's play Charlie's worst clips so that then we can talk about why they're not true.
	It's so lame and lazy.
	What happened to just boosting this stuff up?
	What happened to just finding the funny with a message?
	Yeah, you know, and you know, it's all about uh the choice between uplifting and degrading.
	Correct.
	In a really macro way as well.
	You either uplift humanity and each other, or you're gonna degrade, and you're degrading when you reuse content and replay.
	But where's original fresh written content, which is the other thing is the absence of clever crafting of what is being put out?
	The the absence of crafting.
	So Candice sitting at her microphone, where's the crafted written funny, which is the actual art of the thing, of course.
	I don't need to be saying this to you.
	The wit.
	Right.
	And then people will say, Oh, did you do all that off your cuff?
	Sure.
	Sure, I did.
	45 minutes of funny.
	Yes, sure, I made it up as I went along.
	Well, I do that when I'm drunk enough.
	Yeah, well, that's because you uh you're uh you have the wisdom of ages to be as funny as well.
	Well, because I'm so damn old and bitter.
	I love it.
	I've been doing stand-up for a long time.
	Can I say one question?
	From an ego standpoint for you.
	You're blacklisted for a long time.
	UK, you're the most hated person in UK, and now you're booking shows.
	You're what just be honest.
	How great does that fucking feel?
	That's gotta be validating.
	Oh, it's the redemption, right?
	You stuck it out, and it's happening for her too.
	Like none of you ever apologize.
	Well, you apologize, but you didn't.
	And you stuck it out.
	No, that was a different situation.
	Yeah, no, but I um you never changed.
	No, you never changed.
	You stayed true, yeah, with your like a railway track, like grinding.
	Time comes around.
	I know, and amazing to and I genuinely to be alive to it because I I always, you know, your time could be up at any time, seizures and things, whatever, but your time can be up.
	So my time could have been up in amongst the most dreadful of times, the darkest of hours, and I got to be alive till now with this huge redemption that I I didn't go and ask for, but I was afforded.
	Yes, and I never have apologized nor explained, nor will I. People have been have enabled me to be redeemed whilst understanding that I don't apologize and I don't retract, so suck it up, like it, hate it, whatever, but here we are.
	Yeah, and then they came to this moment in time where it turned out they needed broken-assed women who have no shame because we won't be shamed because we've done dastardly things, but it's okay because we pretty much want everyone to be alright.
	And we got to live at this minute.
	That is for it.
	You know, I've got deported.
	I was deported from Australia and banned from four years.
	I've got deported tattooed on my ass cheek.
	And there's something about that tattoo that I really love because there's this front-facing woman on a stage with 1500 people who paid to come and have a nice time.
	Don't care about me.
	And I've got deported on my ass cheek behind me.
	And it's like that's the same woman was deported, is now able to sell out massive gigs, and for us massive.
	And um, and it's so I'm so bloody lucky.
	I wake up like I mean, I also wake up being pissy or with a headache or needing a piss or with my long labia, you know, there's downsides to it all, right?
	But I getting all tied up in your legs and leg.
	Yeah, so my left leg now goes off on its own.
	The fucking thing.
	My not a joke.
	So after my brain surgery and stuff, some some of my outer periphery is gone.
	But my left leg, if if I don't look at my left foot, I don't know where it is, right?
	No, for real.
	This is real.
	So this foot here, so obviously I can see I can touch it, but if I'm not watching it, it fucks off on its own.
	And it does its own thing under tables.
	I've had guys look at me, and then I realize my left foot is up on their nuts or whatever.
	I'm like, fucking get back here, you cripple spastic.
	I'm a proper spaz.
	And actually, it's the the last thing I got hauled into the police station for in the UK just before I got here.
	Um I I was told I would either be arrested or I had to turn up for interview under caution, was because on my Katie's arms, my pub, where I just you know, let rip whatever, I called myself a spaz.
	And I got arrested effectively by British police because that's offensive.
	Jeez.
	It's demonic.
	Yeah, I'm waiting to find out if I'm gonna be charged on against the online communications act for calling myself a spaz.
	I'm so terrified of going to the UK or whatever.
	I don't know why, honestly, why I mean I would love for you to be there, but why would you go?
	No.
	Honestly, when you live here terrified, I I would go, but I'd put a big piece of tape on my mouth so I can never have a super tweets you did.
	Never never tape your mouth.
	Your mouth is needed more than ever.
	And I I just wanted to say, 'cause I nearly got to say, that I think the two of you, like without being sycophantic, it is beyond unbelievably magical that you two I don't even know about what your relationship is, but that you do this with each other, that you have this with each other.
	It's unbelievable to me.
	Yeah, no, we love it.
	Well, she hates me, our real relationship, but no, we love each other so much.
	I'm so proud of my son.
	We do a good thing, we do a good thing, and and we're happy.
	We get along.
	We didn't always get along.
	We've never not gotten along, but we didn't always get along with it.
	We didn't get along like that time where I threw you up against the wall and smashed you in the fucking head.
	And because you wanted to go live with your dad, and I had I was so pissed.
	But we definitely and I said, You're my son.
	You're not your father's son, so you better fucking get that through your head.
	Yeah.
	But now look at us, we're so happy.
	Yeah.
	He came back to uh me, and uh so I've liked him since then.
	That's that's touching.
	I've quite I've quite I've tolerated him since then.
	No, I really like that.
	Oh, I think it's a very uh I have a son who's uh 16, but I I think it's a remarkable mark of uh success story for any of your kids to want to be anywhere near not you, but yeah, it is true.
	I think that's epic.
	If my of my kids, but particularly my son wants to be anywhere near me, it is such an old bag as you, then I'll know I've done wealth.
	No shit.
	The true wealth is that your kids want to hang out with you and it is, it's the greatest thing, and in it's something really striking when you have kids 16, 17, whatever, you look like look at this and you go, shit, I know what the answer is.
	Yeah.
	And for your grandchildren to like you is such a blessing, too.
	Like I was gonna tell about uh my grandson that told me uh I don't know if it'll like this, but Cosmo, you know.
	No, it's hilarious.
	Should we say it's so funny?
	He came out.
	I'll do it so you don't get in trouble.
	He came out and he goes, you know, Granny.
	I'm coming out uh I'm coming out to you today when he was 19.
	He goes, I'm coming out to you.
	I go, as what he goes, uh I'm coming out to you as a gay, I'm gay.
	And uh, you know, our family, we always say all the bad words.
	I go, you're a faggot.
	Yeah, and he was like, Yes, I am, man.
	He goes, Yeah, I'm a faggot.
	And I go, that is so fucking fantastic.
	I'm gonna call my brother because he's a faggot too.
	I go, let me call my brother, he's gonna be so proud.
	So I called my gay brother, and I go, guess what?
	Cosmos and faggot.
	And um my brother goes, I'm so happy.
	He goes, I'll put him on.
	He goes, I am so thrilled that the faggot gene has stayed alive in our family.
	You're the only one.
	I am so happy that we have a little fagula in our family, and we all celebrated.
	That's just that's so but that's our family, you know.
	Do you know one guy I used to date?
	He came out as gay to get away from me.
	Yeah, not you my brother did that.
	Yeah, I mean, he was actually gay all along.
	I didn't realize mad at me for telling him.
	Both of you came out as gay.
	Jake came out to me as gay, and I go, You're gay?
	Are you kidding me?
	He goes, Okay, no, I'm not gay, but I dropped out of college.
	So that you would have some.
	And then I said, Aren't you glad I'm not gay?
	Yeah, this is a relative thing, Mom.
	Yeah, nice play.
	I like that.
	I was smart.
	Yeah, yeah.
	No, I just I just think uh that is success.
	And uh, and I think that's true for so many things is uh, you know, any time you feel yourself getting your head pulled down or whatever, if you look at the smallest thing there is a thing, whatever, you realize that's the stuff that matters, right?
	You know, it's just love, it's just love.
	And Charlie was about love.
	He's like, I don't agree with you, and you're kind of an asshole and uh you know an idiot, but you know, I still love you.
	I still love you.
	That's what's so great about Charlie.
	Yeah, and that's what, and that's you know, I think that's so awesome that you've achieved that.
	You've been very successful.
	We can call each other all kinds of things and say all kinds of disparaging things, but you know, the arms are always open.
	Yeah, and that's what's so great about the Western world.
	And I want to thank you for being on our show today, and we love you so much.
	We want you to come back, we want you to come back and perform, and we'll we're we're working on some kind of a thing to make that happen.
	We will be able to book you, that's what I will say.
	Yeah, as a headliner.
	Oh, and we will do that.
	Thank you.
	But now I have to be British, you see, and I have to go.
	Oh, I didn't mean that.
	Thank you very much, but no, no, no.
	No, no, I know I did it.
	No, but we We're taking like 80% of whatever you make.
	Yeah, perfect.
	Okay, yeah, because we are Jews.
	We are Jews.
	Yeah, come on, be true to form.
	But you you are a delightful guest, and we hope to have you back again.
	Thank you.
	And I'm a doll.
	I'm feel beyond beyond privileged to have met you.
	You are it was a blast.
	You are rock and roll.
	And my favorite thing about you, if I may, apart from your lovely relationship, your family, is that when you laugh, you throw your head back and you cackle like an old witch.
	And that's the sort of laughter I want people to have.
	That look at it.
	It is so great.
	Yeah, isn't it the greatest to just love?
	Let it go.
	Let it go and make it loud.
	Yeah, as loud as you can.
	It heals.
	Amen.
	Love you.
	Love you too.

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