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Aug. 25, 2025 - The Roseanne Barr Podcast
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Declassifying Presidential Sex Slavery W/ Cathy O’Brien | The Roseanne Barr Podcast #113
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It's a good thing God brought you here because you know we intend to liberate you here because you're all slaves, and mostly to animals who are not slaves to bullshit, the highest forms of living beings on this planet.
Welcome to the Roseanne Barr podcast.
Oh, you see my basis is growing fan.
Here we are, and you know how I love to talk to geniuses.
I have the genius of all geniuses.
As a matter of fact, I have to tell this story.
My mom used to run a daycare, and she had this little boy there, and uh he told my mom.
Boys have a penis, and girls have a vaginius, which I just always loved.
And my guest today is a Vegenius.
Um a woman who she's a woman among women, she's like top-level woman.
She's the reason we broke through the uh curtain of bullshit that was holding us down since uh I don't know, since uh right after World War II operation paper clip.
She's the one that exposed it all and why we are where we are today, why we have Trump as our president, why we're all fighting the good fight for the sake of the children of this world.
She's my oldest and dearest friend, Kathy O'Brien.
Hi, Kathy.
Hi, it's so good to be here with you.
Second time you've been yeah, this is the second time, but the first time in two years, which we were saying we gotta do another one.
We did that.
Sean What's his face?
Yeah, that was that we've we've done some great interviews together, but I'm looking forward to being together, you know, eye to eye with you again, where you know, we're in the same room.
It's been too long since we've actually been together, and I'm looking forward to that because um you're such an inspiration and a genius, and so fun to be with, and our conversations are always so profound and deep.
So I'm I'm looking forward to that, and I'm also looking forward to what information we can bring to light together today.
Yeah, yeah, let's jump right in.
Um, Jake, what was the question you asked her?
Because I said we got to start with that.
It was about was it about Epstein?
Well, I I it was about specifically the handling of the Epstein Files by Pam Bondy and Cash and Trump and this administration because I bring it up every week on this podcast.
I'm not happy with the direction, but mom, you always tell me there's this greater plan in play.
So I asked Kathy during the the pre-interview what she thought, and that was my question.
Do you are do you what do you think, Kathy?
That was my question.
Um, I'm excited by what's going on because um Mark and I used to discuss this at length.
You know, what would it take to unravel the new world order?
This globalist agenda that's permeated all aspects of society from education, churches, governments, um, it just really everything.
They've they've permeated everything.
What would it take to stop the corruption?
What would it take to stop the dumbing down a humanity into compliant little slaves in their globalist slave society agenda?
And we realize that ultimately, regardless of what happens on a political end, the most important part is gonna be up to each and every one of us to wake up and do our part to realize that this global swamp can't be j drained from the top down, it has to be drained from the bottom up, and that's gonna take us all.
And that's gonna take us all reclaiming our free thought, free will, soul expression, our strength of spirit, you know, where we align with each other and join on that level naturally and start um restoring morality, decency, and the brilliance to the brains that we have been blessed with.
You know, it's it's it's time, but it's gonna take all of us.
So I'm not so upset at what I'm seeing politically.
It's gonna take a long time for that system to clean up.
In the meantime, there are children being rescued everywhere from the child sex trafficking rings.
The human trafficking, drug trafficking, especially child sex trafficking, are the funding mechanism of this globalist agenda.
We need to defund the new world order, stop child sex trafficking, and that's exactly what people are starting to do.
So they're taking that action because the children can't wait for this system to clean up.
It's gonna take a long time.
We're seeing how long it takes.
We're seeing how long it takes to even just drag through one thread of this tapestry with the Epstein files.
It's gonna take a lot.
Do you specifically last question?
Do you just I know we want to get off the political, and I agree with you about that we all have to do this together, but specifically this administration, Trump and Bondy and et cetera, are are they doing the right thing?
I know they're arresting and doing other things, but in regards to the Epstein files in that global system, do you feel happy that they're they're tearing through it, or are you think they're covering it up or any of that?
So I feel like they might be covering it up.
I I definitely don't feel like it's being covered up.
There's more involved in this than people realize.
There's the the whole black mail network.
We need to know who's holding the blackmail for what purposes.
Who are the perpetrators at the top of this?
Who are these self-appointed, self-anointed global leaders that are um dehumanizing humanity in order to align us with flat thinking AI and with their flat thinking criminal agenda?
You know, it's gotta it's gotta stop.
And in order to unravel all that, you know, this is just one thread they need to pull.
The blackmail tapes themselves are um one form of evidence.
We gotta have a justice system to prosecute these these pedophiles and perpetrators through.
We don't have a justice system in place yet.
They've been running it for too long to cover up their crimes against humanity.
They invoke national security or anything else and just keep going.
So it's gonna take a while.
And right now, what we need to know is what exactly is this agenda all about?
What are they doing with the children?
How that can this many children be missing?
What are they doing harvesting our children?
What is the adrenochrome all about?
We need to get to the very bottom of this and take down the puppet masters at the top.
So rather than using, you know, now that this administration has got the hold of the blackmail tapes, if they play another man's game and use blackmail to the blackmailers, it's not gonna accomplish as much as they can if they just use their information gained as leverage against this whole global network that's been um gaining control for generations now.
It's gonna take a while to unravel.
Okay.
Well, Kathy, as a child, you were part of the building of that international network, weren't you?
Or you you were used as a child's sex slave in order to build that international network of pedophiles that sit at top of every government and every NGO and everything, right?
Absolutely.
And my uncle was um a part of the black mail network and distributing the tapes, and and he was flying a lot of them to the Vatican, the Vatican has a huge vault of these blackmailed tapes.
That's a big piece of a puzzle right there.
And that's only one piece of this puzzle.
When we get to the top of um, you know, who's who's doing this and why, we start to understand.
And having been exposed to that, I was used in the blackmail videos myself at the Epstein Island of its time, Mackinac Island, Michigan.
So I was among these global perpetrators, and I know how far reaching this is, how deep it goes, and how long they've been doing it and getting away with it.
You were you were sold by your father into the MK Ultra uh child altering, terrorizing uh torture machine of uh the CIA US government, weren't you?
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Yeah, I I was.
There's so many children that have been in a position like I was, but there's not that many who've survived.
I mean, look at all the people who've even tried to expose this mess, how many have been dying?
And, you know, we've we've got to get some justice restored to the system, and people need to start seeing some accountability for um actions because right now there's a lot of people.
Don't you think people need to first demand accountability with the American people?
That seems to escape them that they have the right to demand of this government accountability for what's happened to the children of this country and every country where these uh long hands of crime of have uh toppled governments to get at their kids, every every evil thing that they have been involved in.
Don't you think because our tax dollars pay for it all that we have the right and the responsibility to demand the uh accountability of our government?
Well, it I think the people are doing it, you know.
The the people have been demanding it for a long time.
It's just the media is not giving us voice.
They're not saying that we're being heard.
You know, so many of us were awake and aware 2016 that we overrode the rigged electronic algorithm in the voting machine to put in a president who wasn't Hillary Clinton and her new world order, to put in a president who exposed their funding mechanism of drug and human trafficking, showed us there was a swamp in Washington, DC, and that woke even more people up.
Then in 2020, these perpetrators were so desperate to regain control, they unleashed mind control masses of virus on the global population.
Everybody got a taste of mind control.
Then that raised awareness that much more because these fools, they're so stupid.
They they messed up and they told everybody to shelter at home.
Mind control needs to shut down neuron pathways in the brain, trauma causes them to shut down, fear causes them to shut down.
That's what they need to use.
But where they made their mistake is having a shelter at home.
Because when people broke their routine patterns, it forced their brains to fire in new ways, and it got those neuron pathways opening.
So they made a big mistake, and people were sheltering at home and saying, hey, what are our kids being taught in the school system?
What is this sexualization of children going on?
They started talking to each other, and it it really just woke more people up.
So, you know, we've got this massive movement now.
The Great Awakening is real.
But like my daughter Callie was saying the other day, you know, wow, the this great awakening is past critical mass, but now people have a long way to go to catch up.
Yeah, there's a lot of information they've got to learn.
There's a lot they need to open their eyes to in order to be effective and dismantling this mess and preventing it from ever happening again.
So it um it's it's it's quite important.
Your book, Transformation of America, which is your testimony before Congress.
Um, you were detailing the child trafficking at the border like decades ago.
That was part of your story too, isn't it?
Yeah.
Yeah, and my 1995 testimony for Congress, every bit of it was validated.
That's why national security was invoked on it.
You know, clean members of law enforcement and intelligence had had it validated, Secret Service.
Now, there's a lot of good people in key positions who've been doing their best to dismantle this mess, fully realizing that until people open their eyes and realize how vast manipulation has become, to realize mind control sliding scale from the kind of tortuous robotic MK Ultra mind control I experienced on a White House Pentagon level to the kind of mind control,
MK Ultra going on in Hollywood that you're aware of to information control, because we all formulate our thoughts, opinions, and actions based on what we know.
We need to know that knowledge base has been altered for a long, long time, very deliberately to dumb us down and to keep us from knowing how to take action ourselves.
We've been conditioned so long to look to big government, big pharma, big tech, big cult occult religion to tell us how to live our lives, and we forgot.
We got all the power.
You know, we forgot to look within and align with that divine within and tap in to that power because that's that's our victory.
That's where we win.
Um, that's where they lose.
That's what they're afraid we're gonna do.
So they instead keep us bombarded with trauma after trauma, uh, suppress uh truth and information.
Um, even though the information on child sex trafficking has come out, even though people have seen what's happening on our borders, how they're being turned into a corrupted so-called child protective services system, and then trafficked right from there, you know, turned back out because the same people own the whole corrupt system.
So people are seeing the media, including the media.
The media is what keeps us blind to it, right?
Yes.
They do, and then again, um the area that where I'm working in um speaking out the nationally now, all across the nation, um, empowering people to be effective and helping the children because the people started taking action themselves when when Trump was re-elected this time, the obstacles that have been put in everyone's way from being able to take action themselves, have been removed.
We're yeah, the bureaucracy, the bureaucracy that kept it all in place, because that's how people were getting paid on their government jobs is to keep the devilish, the satanic empire in place.
That's what they're working for, not the US government or the people.
Absolutely.
And now the the people are so fed up with that, and they're just taking action themselves.
But as they're taking action, they're realizing they don't know how to help these children.
They can give them a safe place to be, but what do they do from there?
And that's the information that I'm sharing because um can you tell us about that information and what you are sharing?
And I know you're part of a whole growing network across this country of basically moms and uh some dads and grandparents, but American citizens that are offering uh redemption to these to these uh children who've been so damaged.
Yeah, the the information I used for healing was suppressed under national security.
It's our birthright information, but it was suppressed um ever since the 1947 National Security Went and Act went into place in the wake of the World War II when we imported the Nazi and fascia scientists Into the US with Project Paperclip.
With them came the formula for mind control.
Well, our information on mind brain function, that's our natural defense against mind control, our ability to heal from any trauma, was suppressed and buried under national security.
It was withheld from the mental health community, the medical community, from education system.
Pertinent information, the medical system doesn't have like our subconscious never sleeps.
If the medical community knew that in the the course of surgery, they could say um healing affirming thoughts instead of, you know, whoa, look at this mess, you know, drama that only adds to um the difficulty in recovering from surgery.
There's some very simple mind brain functions that have been suppressed for a long time.
When Mark saw it buried under national security, I want to say your husband, I wanted to say your husband, Mark Phillips, who was a white hat before they even had that word.
Yeah.
Um, and he he was in uh doing business in China way back when that was new.
And that isn't it the Chinese that told him about uh how so many um uh uh business folk from America coming there were um uh actually compromised by pedophilia.
Yes, and there were those in um China that were doing all they could at the time to restore free thought to the people.
This was a global agenda, and there was a global movement.
And um they had alerted uh Mark to the fact that um my daughter Kelly and I were slaves.
They they had um information on our circumstance, and Mark decided to do something about it and and lifted Kelly and I right out of the Washington, DC human trafficking swamp and handed us keys to our own mind, that birthright information that was buried under national, he liberated that uh buried on purpose information for how to heal, right?
He liberated that from the dark hats.
He did.
He wasn't able to reveal it himself because he was bound by laws of sedition, but it was my experience to heal with it.
So um I could release the information.
I'm not bound by any laws of sedition.
Besides, it's humanity's birthright information about the resiliency of our body, mind, and spirit.
So yeah, I not only have I released it in PTSD time to heal, as you so well know, because you you wrote the on the on the back of it, you know, uh attesting to it since you had met Mark and knew about these methods yourself.
Um this is just easy for anyone to self-apply.
So this is what I'm teaching uh others right now, how to be effective in helping the children is for them to first remember their own birthright information and then empower the children with it.
It's um it's all such a natural process because you know, ultimately we were made perfect.
Our brains are perfect.
Our brains have so much healing capacity, our bodies are perfect.
We don't need 79 vaccines to survive.
We need to be able to do that.
What I just read the other day.
The other day I read something where they're finding out that dandelions have a property that kills cancer.
There's so many simple ways um when we go back to nature.
Kathy, can I ask you a question?
Uh real quick.
You said Mark found this healing information was buried under national security.
We I don't I don't want to gloss over that because that you have to tell me more about that.
That's fascinating.
How is it?
But what did he stumbled upon classified information or what does that mean?
He was in military intelligence.
And he saw there was ways that the military understood we could heal from trauma, and they buried it under national security.
Yeah, he was above military intelligence, actually.
It was very high up.
Um He he could uh he could wear any hat and he saw how mind control was being used on the global population.
He saw how it was being used to um to overtake uh nations and he was very disturbed by the pedophile agenda, which is really a mind control agenda, because people didn't know the effects of trauma on the human mind, that sexual abuse of a child prior to age five while the brain is still forming creates a compliance for the rest of their lives because it shuts down neuron pathways in the brain.
And he he if people had that information, they would understand that pedophilia is not a sexual preference, it's not a perversion, it's a control mechanism.
And it's intended to dumb down humanity.
We are devolving because of the generational implementation of this.
But in order for them to be able to use mind control to that degree, they had to take away our knowledge that is our defense against it.
They had to take away our birthright knowledge on our own mind brain function so they could manipulate us by it and subject us to trauma after trauma.
So when Marx saw that, and it's humanity's birthright information, he wanted to find a way to release it.
And um, it's it's so important because with that information buried under national security, the mental health community was taught to promote the victim mentality to keep people locked into it.
You know, to if if people aren't thinking free and they're locked into that victim mentality, they stay in fear mode, they're in survival mode all the time.
Yeah, all the time.
They're in if they perpetuate that very deliberately, um, then that has really caused a lot of problems now for survivors who want to heal, but are given really bad therapy, really bad information, and ultimately the answer is if you look outside yourself for answers, then that's gonna be more intrusive information in, and your brain is not gonna accept it.
The brain is overwhelmed with this intrusion and shuts down it won't heal.
It needs to be safe from intrusion.
So we don't need invasive therapy, we don't need um these online therapy courses that artificial intelligence is offering.
What the heck is that?
You know, talk about looking outside yourself, but not only that, they're collecting all the data on how to repress the information further in order to keep people compliant and keep them from remembering secrets, to keep them from remembering um details of what goes on in the Epstein Islands and all these these victims that have been subjected to that, they can just shut them right down.
You know, they act like they're giving them therapy, they're only collecting information.
They got the idea from um from the Vatican, you know, go back to the confessionals, you know, and the and and how the mafia would go in there and tell all their sins and they'd blackmail them.
You know, I mean, it was they've been in the blackmail business forever, you know.
So they've they thought, well, we'll just keep using that method and um get people to tell us their secrets and then you know, keep them repressed.
So um anytime people look outside themselves, they're being locked in to a victim mentality by design.
We need to remember who we are, why we're here, go within, access our simple, you know, resiliency, and um and and start reclaiming our free thought.
Get our brains firing again the way they're supposed to.
We have we have brilliant minds.
We need to take them back.
What a crime against humanity.
What what a horrible crime against humanity, all of this uh fake news, fake science, fake everything, fake spirituality, fake religion, fake everything, just to keep children Available for pedophiles.
Yeah, and fake medical community.
Look at it.
You know, they they they are trained and indoctrinated by Big Pharma who runs the schools, follow the money.
And they're they're training them to turn everything over to Big Pharma.
You know, so they're making money by treating things, you know, so-called illnesses that they usually create with the vaccines.
They treat them, but they don't cure anything.
It's taking the resiliency of our physical healing away from the whole medical community.
So we got this assault on the mental health.
It's a part of what Jeffrey Epstein did, because what he did on the island was, you know, I think it that stuff dwarfs what he really did, which was to um uh change all the laws in the world about money and invent a thing called vampire capitalism,
which pretty much means that the human beings are prey to the uh ones at the top of the financial pyramid.
And yeah, they can make them sick, and then they can take bets on how they die or how they can quote unquote treat their uh doctor-caused illnesses and make more money that way.
The human beings are soil and green, basically, that movie.
And he invented that.
His financial crimes are far worse.
Plus, he he wrote with the bankers, all of these laws uh that destroyed national sovereignty of every country, the banks.
He he was their um puppet, and uh, of course, all that goes to the people at the top, which are the kings, the kings, the queens, the popes, the wizards, um, you know, the uh Nazis of the Fourth Reich.
That's what in the new world order is.
And uh am I wrong, Kathy?
Well, it that's the you know, takes us back to the original question, Jake.
You know, um, that about why I'm not upset about how long this is taking with the Epstein files, because it's so much more involved than most people realize, and there's so much more going on than uh than people realize to dismantle this whole um global network that's been been going on for so long.
And that's just Epstein's part.
Yeah, you know, you get to the uh the Clintons, let's, you know, the and George Bush Sr.
What he did was just massive.
There's um there's so many others, and he's just one, you know, and the there's subpoena and the Clintons to testify.
What?
You know, Epstein would have testified against them.
It's just it this is um I I don't know what they expect to find and what's really going on, but it I don't even follow it because to me it's uh charade um to get to a much much much bigger outcome and unraveling this mess because this effort to unravel the new world order,
the slave society agenda and restore free thought to humanity as um has been going on for a long time.
It's it's been going on behind the scene.
Now we're seeing what they're doing a little bit, but a lot of it's smoke and mirror illusion because people wouldn't understand the reality of what they're actually doing because it's so complicated.
They need to have the ABCs before they you know get to this postgraduate understanding.
Yeah, they really the media and all the even you know, the internet, they they hide they hide the real agents behind the uh mass murder of humanity.
They continue to do that.
Um it's just a sickening.
We are in a fight for our lives, though.
We are, you know, it's in Transformation of America, um, where George Bush at Bohemian Grove said that if they lost control over the minds of the population, they'd reduce our numbers to a more manageable size.
So um, and then you look back um all the way back to Gerald Ford when he was president and he had Henry Kissinger and George Bush and Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld who gave us aspartame to dumb us down.
And you know, uh Jack Villani, head of the Motion Picture Association of America, controlling our information, hit all of them in his cabinet.
You can look all the way back on the um Ford administration with Henry Kissinger, they came up with the first depopulation agenda back then because they were concerned that they weren't um managing the minds of the people well enough.
That's when Jack Villani gave us the term conspiracy theory for anyone questioning the media narrative.
Wow.
Yeah, anyone who who sees the truth is the conspiracy theorist.
Boy, that's a great reversal.
They're just great at reversal.
I mean, they're great at it.
Our our old friend Julia coined the phrase perverse reverse.
Yeah, well, it's it's like the you know, with the term conspiracy theorists, they they say that about me, you know, and and it won't come out of Wikipedia for anything.
But the fact is, you know, transformation of America.
My 1995 testimony was censored under national security because every bit of it had been validated, you know.
So how can that how can I be a conspiracy theorist if they invoke national security?
Do they invoke national security on conspiracy theories?
On a theory?
I mean, come on.
If that's the case, then there's a good excuse right there to revamp this so-called National Security Act.
Wow.
Yeah, it's actually everything's actually the opposite of what they say, they because they reverse the truth.
So it's like uh the National Insecurity Act is what it is.
Yeah, yeah.
Whenever they get scared, yeah.
Yeah, and the Patriot Act is the uh globalist anti-sovereignty of America Act.
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah, whatever they call it, we always say this, whatever the whatever they're doing is called, it's the opposite.
Mom always says that.
And it comes in the uh the ultimate is the bankers, all the banks are called uh trust and uh fidelity, fidelity and press.
Yeah, yeah.
While they're stealing the blind and investment, make bubbles that then burst and buy up everything they stole from you and dirt crisis.
Can I ask a question to Kathy?
Do you mind?
Uh uh satanic ritual abuse, trauma-based mind control, what you're talking about with pedophilia as a as a mechanism of control.
Is it satanic from the satanic religion that they taught this to the Nazis that it works?
Or is it the other way around, or are they just all kind of smart and go, hey, if you traumatize a child, you can basically get what you want.
It's weird that I guess what I'm saying is that there's parallels with Satanism and the world government, unless it's the same thing.
Absolutely.
Absolutely, because it's the scientific formula for mind control.
A trauma is the basis of it.
You know, and and um when you consider that the Hitler-Himmler research found there's no trauma more horrific than sexual abuse of a child prior to age five while the brain is still forming.
They also found that right there next to it is satanic ritual abuse because it's blood trauma, it's torture, it's um it's horrific to see someone being murdered right in front of you, especially a child, you know.
So you've got um extreme trauma that's associated with that.
And people like my primary MK Ultra mind control programmer, Lieutenant Colonel Michael Aquino, who was part of the occult temple as set on military basis for mind control purposes.
Yeah, they they got in there by saying freedom of religion includes includes Satanism.
Yeah, yeah, and he didn't even believe in in satanic power per se.
He believed in his own power using trauma and a stun gun.
You know, so um they it's it's it's uh it's compound usury situation of the effects of trauma.
You know, you go back to the Spanish Inquisition and the Crusades.
They was they were murdering people left and right who didn't comply with the the Vatican back then.
So um, all the way back then.
And the spoils of the war were the children.
And those children, the Catholic orphanages were born.
And the children were being raised in there to perpetuate the church, to perpetuate, to become the priests of the future.
And subjecting them to more trauma made them more compliant.
So they they use the Satanism.
And so you get um this reversal, the you know, perverse reverse again, the reversal of the Catholic mass into the uh Satanism, and it it causes um the the brain to compartmentalize that much more.
So that's why they've been using it for they do it, they do it to Catholic children.
They they do it to Catholic children incredibly at incredible numbers, yeah.
Yeah, really all religions um have been infiltrated, and uh satanic abuse spans so many different versions of it, you know.
Yeah, even even all the way down to the Haitian voodoo and yeah, every religion, every religion is uh infiltrated, uh infiltrated and corrupted because of child sexual abuse that and then the and then the job of the community is to protect the pedophiles, not the children, right?
And it's it everywhere in every religion.
It is, it is, and that's making it uh difficult because um the churches have been um infiltrated and and the people indoctrinated to um to you know give give power away to evil and you know like it's it's the ultimate control mechanism, it's not we have been um blessed.
And it's satanic, it's say that I'm gonna say this too.
The satanic part of it is that they tell them that's God.
Oh, they tell people God, they tell the children that Satan is as powerful as God, which he ain't.
Evil is not as powerful as good.
It's not, it's an illusion, it's all an illusion.
People always choose good.
I mean, if they're right in the head and the heart, they have to be forced to choose evil.
That's the truth.
That's the mind control.
That that is that is when mind control is used because people when they're who they intended to be, who they know who they are and why they're here and have that strength of spirit, then um that is these perpetrators' greatest fear, you know, having been around them deep in the swamp.
That's what they fear the most is the strength of the human spirit and the infinite power of love.
It's the how highest vibration, it's the strongest force, it's our victory, it's our natural victory, and they're afraid we're gonna remember that we have all the power, and they only have as much power as we give them or let them steal.
In that regard, the mind control agenda is a spiritual warfare because mind control is used to keep us from tapping into that strength, to remembering our power.
It's it's used to separate us from that.
Um they can't possess it, they can't stop it.
That'd be like dark creeping in on light, they can't reach it.
Um, it's too high of a vibration.
Never dark is incapable of destroying light.
You go in a room, it's more, you turn the light on, all the dark is gone.
You don't know the light room and turn the dark on.
Right.
I guess I guess trauma-based mind control, that's what she's saying.
That turns your light.
Exactly.
That's what it does.
But it's internal, and we have light, or we wouldn't be alive.
Right.
Yeah, that's right.
And well, it's our birthright, you know, it goes right back to birthright knowledge, and um remembering who we are and why we're here.
Stop why are we here, lads?
Why are we here?
Why are we here?
Oh, to live the love we are, to unite, to um shine the light and expose what's going on in the darkness to stop this evil from creeping in on humanity ever again.
They have no business meddling with our brilliant minds and lives, but they've been doing it a long, long time because we haven't looked within to remember.
We've only looked outside ourselves to, you know, the big government, big pharma, these self-appointed, self-anointed global leaders, the um big tech, big um cult to cult religion, you know, telling us how to live our lives.
We go within, we have it all.
We remember, and that is ultimately, I think a major purpose of life is to be able to live the love we are, to be able to um reclaim that alignment to align with the divine within, not without, not outside us to align with a divine within.
Yeah, because we are divine creations.
We are.
We are perfect.
We're a divine being, and they don't want us to know that in any way.
I wanted to ask you, because you know so much about what was done to kids.
I wanted to ask you about another one of your um handlers or whatever you call it, was Robert S. Byrd, right?
And he brought uh that education into the schools of how to teach kids what to think and not how to think, right?
Yeah, Byrd was in office for over 50 years.
You know, we could we we need to get some term limits in Congress.
That's ridiculous.
They're not gonna vote it in for themselves, you know.
People are gonna have to wise up and demand it.
But he was in for over 50 years in the highest positions of power and influence, holding our country's purse strings, deciding where money was going to be spent, and he made sure all of it went towards globalism.
While he spoke about the constitution for people to hear, he was eroding the constitution with where the money was being spent.
And um, he made the states reliant on federal funding and the education system.
We don't need the federal government reigning over education.
We need to get it back to the states.
We need to get it back to local levels and get parents involved again, not have government dictate what's going to be taught in the schools.
But he set it up that way so that they could have their because there's not that many of them.
They wanted those puppet masters to be able to start manipulating everyone else, and they started indoctrinating the children in the school system, teaching them what to think instead of how to think.
And that was no accident because he was also uh a Ku Kux clanner.
Right.
And so don't you think that a lot of a lot of those government things that he set up for, you know, federally uh controlled education were based on a hatred of the black race.
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And it was just based on hatred all around.
Um, you know, he was he was my owner in MKUltra and was um he dictated all my actions.
He became my owner when I was 13 years old.
And I met him at the Upstein Island of its time, you know, uh Mackinac Island, Michigan.
He's the one who had an office in the FBI building in the mid-80s to set up the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children as a catch net operation for traffic children so that they could scoop them up and put them into the corrupted child protective services.
Any court cases and then be trafficked to Washington, D.C. Absolutely, and and around the world.
And um, and however else they're gonna harvest them and use them.
Like we said, it's always the opposite.
So the Center for Exploited Children, of course, that's how you know they're using it for exploited children.
Yeah.
Yes, there's so many people.
The shit they name stuff just gives them away, doesn't it?
They think we're that stupid.
They think we're that brainwashed.
When we start to learn to listen, when we gain eyes to see, ears to hear, and soul to know truth again.
Um, we'll start seeing through this illusion.
There's so many children now that have been medically kidnapped or um taken in in illegal, immoral ways through a corrupted justice system under the guise of national security and thrust into it.
Everybody's experiencing, everybody knows someone who's had a child taken into that custody.
My own daughter was taken into the corrupt system that I saw Bird setting up, and it was uh absolute outrage.
And ultimately, that's what compelled me to start speaking out to begin with, was to draw attention to her plight.
It wasn't um, it wasn't hatred.
Hatred's low vibration, that's their vibration.
They're not gonna get hatred and fear from me.
Um, I'm gonna live the love I am.
That's out of their reach, you know.
So, and love for Kelly was what compelled me to speak out.
And what keeps me speaking out today is love for her, love for humanity, love for the children.
Um, I'm gonna keep speaking out until people are able to wrap their minds around the reality that we share this planet with some real dark, negative forced perpetrators.
You know, we we need to face that reality and realize they only have as much power as we give them or let them steal.
And they also, just like in the old vampire uh myths, which I think are real, I think they were written by people who knew that there were uh blood drinkers.
Um and they tried to warn us through those uh stories, but um uh there's just too many people who know now.
There's too many people who live through it.
There's too many people who survived it, and it can't, it just can't be hidden anymore.
It it it's it's not being hidden like they wanted, you know.
Um it's been exposed.
Now it's just a matter of unraveling this mess, and it's gonna take a lot to do it, you know, which brings us right back around to, you know, what this administration is doing within a corrupt government, even, you know, with with so much opposition right there in DC, and they're still working diligently to unravel this mess while waking up the people to do their part, you know.
It's a lot.
Yeah.
I also wanted you to talk for a minute.
It's a shocking and stunning thing, but I want you to say it.
That uh, because this shows how our government works or worked before Trump.
Because we both love Trump, right?
We love him.
Well, look at all the awareness he's um he's raised.
Awareness is the first step towards positive, necessary change, you know.
Um, it doesn't mean I agree with every political thing that he does, but this is bigger than politics, and and what he did is bigger than politics, waking people up.
Um that's that's um that's phenomenal.
Anybody who lives their life's purpose so so beautifully to make that much difference in the world, you know, should be honored for that.
Um the media couldn't the the these perpetrators couldn't stop him.
They couldn't blackmail him, they couldn't buy him out.
He had his own money, they couldn't threaten him, he had his own security, they couldn't do anything to to stop him.
And he's been outraged since the mid-80s that I know of with the child sex trafficking and MK Ultra and everything else, and they couldn't stop him.
So the best they could do is media assassination, try to take him down by making people think that he's you know one of them, you know.
Why do you expose him if he's one of them?
It doesn't make any sense.
But the media has manipulated the population to uh such a degree in so many ways that this is just one more thing that they did was do a character assassination.
They attempted to do that with you too.
And just like Trump, you bounced back, you're not gonna take that.
The people didn't believe it anyway.
And no matter how many times the media repeated it, and repetition is the most basic form of mind control.
No matter how many times the people the media repeated it, the people knew better.
They still know better.
Now we need to know what we can do.
And um, I'm gonna know, I wanna know what you I want to hear what you say about the fact, and it's in Transformation of America, your testimony before Congress.
I can see why they said it's against national security, because basically uh one of the pedophiles who assaulted you as a child, became the unelected president of the United States.
Can you talk about that?
About Ford, yeah.
Um my father was um uh since I was born into a multi-generational family.
Um, my father um a multi-generational incest family.
Yeah, yeah, incest and uh my father was also ritually abused and was passing that part down.
My mother was um was sexually abused and traffic to my grandfather's blue Masonic Lodge.
These secret societies was where keep secrets on mind control are kept.
These places where these perpetrators meet in secret, you know, is where they keep perpetuating it and secrecy's our problem.
We need truth out there.
We need the knowledge that's our defense against mind control.
We need truth that makes us free.
But um, MK Ultra was already in full swing by the time um I was born into that mess in 1957 in Muskegon, Michigan.
By 1960, I was being trafficked to my grandfather's Blue Masonic Lodge, just a little itty-bitty toddler.
Um trafficked to a local politician of the time, Gerald Ford.
Of course, Gerald Ford went on to become the unelected president of the United States, as his political career escalated, so too did my victimization in MK Ultra Mind Control.
And his political career escalated to the uh office of president because he um covered up the Kennedy assassination as head of the Warren Commission.
And um, because that's when this globalist agenda took a stronghold on our country.
When Kennedy opposed them and opposed this agenda, um, they eliminated him and and assassinated him and took him out, and then they took control of our country then.
They also put in the electronic voting machines in the wake of the Kennedy assassination so that they could rig since their inception to put uh these perpetrators in positions of power um through the rigged elections, and that's how they gained control.
That's what they did right up until 2016 when um so many of us were awake and aware we overrode the rigged electronic algorithm.
You know, so that was 2016.
Look at us now.
We got this, we got the victory.
We just need to um understand the details now going forward, you know, and and what we can do to um effectively take back our freedom and preserve the sanctity of free thought going forward.
Protect our children.
Well, tell us a little bit about the uh organizations that you're involved with that do this good work, Kathy.
Um a lot of them are just groups of people in various places around the country, like the uh Rev 17 in Uba City, California.
They're um taking action.
It's uh um church-based organization that isn't about um just preaching and talking, they're about action.
They heard about the children that were being rescued and realized they didn't have a safe place for the children, and um so they wanted to open up a safe house so the children wouldn't be thrust back into the child protective services and just you know recycled into the system.
So um the people got together and um raised millions of dollars um for the for the opening of the safe house, the construction of it, and the education of the people working it to um effectively help children.
That's that's where I came in and where I still come in.
Um, and there's so many of these that are opening up everywhere.
Um I'm also very pleased to I'm gonna be speaking in um in Minneapolis with ARC, the Association for Rescuing Children that works under the um America's Future Project.
Um I'm so excited about that because that gives uh strong national um outreach on low from local levels.
You know, they say the local action has national impact.
Well, that national impact has global impact, and that's where um we're speaking and and arming people with information.
So the whether it's um an organization of of concerned citizens, if it's patriots, if it's whoever it is, if it's uh an organization as um as honorable as uh and root well-rooted as America's future, um, we don't have any obstacles in our way now.
We can take the action, we can help each other.
Right.
Right, right.
No government money.
This is people helping people instead of people giving their money away to foundations like the Clinton Foundation, they're they're doing it locally where they can see where it's going, where they can see what's actually being done.
They're because you're building you're building the safe house in your community.
Yes, your community's uh assent and uh sponsorship, you know, to protect those two, because they're gonna be infiltrated if they start working.
So we have to be that's right.
Very vigilant if this is the way to go.
But we have Dr. Lois Lee, who she's laid the archetype for how to do it without government interference and have an 85% success rate to rescue child prostitutes.
Yeah, that's it.
It's just thinking outside of the box, that bird and all them pedos created for us.
Right.
Right.
And to realize that there's not justice through the justice system.
So, you know, we've got to be mindful of that and um and be wise in how we operate.
That goes right back to what Mark always said from the get-go.
Wisdom out thinks our criminal mind every time.
Because when we have soul, we have discernment of truth, and we have compassion for each other, and we have the height and depth of the strength of spirit.
We have the wisdom to out think their flat linear thinking.
That's why I'm not afraid of artificial intelligence.
I'm not afraid of these criminal minds.
We got this.
We just gotta remember we got this.
Yeah, I think so too.
It is waking up, but you know, I call it, I was calling it the Great Awakening and the Great Unraveling, and now I'm calling it the Great Apostasy, because that's our hope is the great apostasy from bullshit and coming into life and actual intelligence uh and human survival of the human species?
It it is.
It's it is.
We're we're we're fighting for our survival, we're fighting for our rights, we're fighting for our birthright.
Um, and we're we're winning because um they really can't reach us when what we do is out of love instead of out of fear.
It's vibrational.
It's it makes all the difference in the world.
It's kind of like when we're fearful, we can't think of a way out.
But when we uh have we we get clarity of thought when we're happy, you know, that's when we get the ideas and we get the because our brains are firing, you know.
So that's our victory.
That is is Jake.
Are you ritually abusing my granddaughter there?
Okay, I wish I'm about to, it shouldn't be quiet.
Maybe that's a problem.
Maybe I don't know.
I didn't know you could hear that.
No, Hannah's in there.
She she's uh she's build up.
That's all I'm gonna say.
My second born is special.
She's a wild one, Kathy.
You gotta see this one.
You won't believe it.
I can't wait to meet her.
I'll tell you what in every way.
She's a whirlwind tearing shit up and jumping off shit and causing all kind of trouble for everybody.
And then she does your daughter.
Yeah.
When you like down.
No, she's Roseanne Jr.
And and her mother is a lot like my mother.
So she's got she's third generation uh crazy Scorpio.
Uh I gotta say one more thing.
She just wanted to be part of this.
She does.
I'm sorry, you could hear uh your book.
So I I know this is a short podcast, but you are talking about three books these methods you're talking about, where can because you're you're absolutely correct, like love and and self-healing, all stuff.
These methods you're teaching.
Where can people find more information on this?
Because this is how we're gonna win this war.
There's no other way around it.
She's got it, she's got it all.
Thanks to Mark Phillips.
Yeah, and yeah, yeah, yeah.
Mark Phillips, he said that he just wanted to live long enough to see Trump.
Uh, what do you call it?
Where he's sworn inaugurated.
And yeah, it that and um when he saw that so many people were awake and aware they overrode the rigged algorithm to elect them.
That was what made a huge difference.
He said, Okay, we've passed critical mass, it's a turning point.
You know, we got this going forward.
Um, because again, you know, going back around to where we started with this, it's gonna take each and every one of us, the numbers, it's the people that are gonna make the difference.
If we had a change of government, it wouldn't have mattered if without the people waking up to realize what's been going on.
They're never it would just create a vacuum that would be filled with more of the same corruption if the people didn't wake up to realize what's going on.
That's where the true change is.
That's where it really happens.
And Mark knew that.
That's why he was dedicated his whole career to preserving the sanctity of free thought so that we could all have our free will, soul expression, our strength of spirit to live our life the way it was intended.
What a noble um, what a noble purpose he lived.
And then to release the information by um empowering how lucky am I, my daughter and me to heal um with that information.
Um we were able to release it.
So it's posted on my website at trance-dash formation.com.
It's PTSD time to heal.
It has a pay what you can, if you can options, so everyone can have it now, regardless of income.
Um, you can zero out cost, and there's no money trail to you.
And you can also overpay if you have the means.
That's sweet.
And you know, there's so many people who can't um who are in a situation where they don't need um money trail going to their healing method, and then they know how to do it themselves within they can write out their memory.
They don't have to tell anybody they're doing it, they can start healing, identify all abusers so they don't know.
Because what Mark taught you, and what he taught you Was the way they deprogram uh uh POWs from mind from uh being brainwashed, right?
And the big uh the biggest tool is to write with a paper and pencil, right?
Exactly, the very act of moving a pen activates the logic critical analysis part of the brain.
So it takes fear, trauma, anything emotionally incomprehensible, shifts it over to logic, where it's written out on paper, consciously seen, and you got a brain process here of analyzing information that's crucial to healing.
It opens neuron pathways in the brain, then you have healing psychiatrically, psychologically, emotionally, spiritually, everything all at once because my healing, then you heal physically.
Absolutely, absolutely.
When the neuron pathways are um reopened, then we can learn to think again.
And so mind control shuts them down, indoctrination in the school system, they're shutting them down.
We need to open them back up.
Simple way to do it, get writing by hand back in the school system, and that alone will stop the indoctrination of children.
Well, that's a simple little method we all can use that was very deliberately taken out.
Computers were put in, keyboards do not do the same thing.
Twiddling thumbs on a cell phone does not do the same thing as picking up a pen and paper, sitting in quiet, away from devices, away from noise, away from the frequencies they emit, and sit there and um get our brains working naturally the way that they're supposed to.
Wow, it's so simple, and it is of course, of course, they would have compromised that for us.
But I like your work workbook, PTSD a time to heal is a workbook, also, because it is you write out your experience in it, and it's helped so many people.
One thing I like to do is buy a ton of books and give them out to people who need them, and it's helped so many people.
So many people have told me how much your book, uh PTSD Time to Heal has helped them, including including returning soldiers who got PTSD from having to fight in Iraq and all the places we sent them.
It helps them too.
It can help a lot of homeless bets too.
It can help a whole lot of the survivors who are stuck in the victim mentality to realize they don't need anyone intruding on their minds.
That's adding to the problem, that they can just go within and reclaim their birthright to live free, think free, reclaim their joy.
Um, get out in nature, you know, feel the sun on the skin, feel the wind in your hair, breathe it in, you know.
All these things make such a big difference, and um people have just forgotten that because we've been um conditioned to the you know, little looking outside ourselves into devices and you know, we need to stop that and and get back to what's natural.
And if you think about it, these devices, if you if you pay attention to how social media, especially nowadays, it's it's being uh exacerbated with like the gossip war and all the stuff going around the world, it is trauma-based mind control that you're in microform all day long.
I left social media about three and a half weeks ago, finally.
I just because I realized I get on there, I get traumatized, I start arguing, and it's pulling me out of my feeling.
I'm thinking, I think they figured out the bad guys that hey, we don't just have to do satanic ritual pedophilic abuse, we can just fuck with these people on their phones in their bedrooms and control their mind.
Yeah, that is what it is and they're dividing magazines.
Huh?
Well, look at all the snap judgment goes on, you know, nobody's thinking further, they're just snap judging.
And that was intended through um through these devices.
And I've Mark taught me, he said, um, from the beginning, voice no negatives without a solution.
Not only did that keep me from just complaining all the time, you need to have to listen to it, but it actually forced my brain to think in new ways and opened more neuron pathways because I needed to learn how to think.
We all do.
Yeah, Um, we need to reclaim that.
And so what if social media had that rule?
Voice no negatives without a solution.
Can you imagine how much humanity would change?
That's amazing.
That's well, it would be I have to say it would depend on the solution.
A lot of the solutions that uh mass media puts out there are satanic too.
Yeah, well, I I think we can um all think we have to say if it comes from a place of hate, then it's satanic.
And I think we have to say, I think we also have to say, if you are in a uh, because this is deep philosophy, but I think it's true.
Um, if you're in a victim mode, you've fallen right into the lap of the satanic because the victim mode, thinking like that you're a victim of anything or anyone, unless you truly are.
I'm not talking about that, but the victim uh mode narrative that goes on on the internet and TV and all media, that absolves you from any responsibility for the actions you take.
Because you're like, I'm oppressed, so I can blah blah, I can hit, I can commit violence, I can hate because I'm resisting, but you're not.
You fell right into the victim mode, which is satanic thought, because you have to be free of that.
You have to be free of that to actually create and live and and be joyful human being that lives the love we are, like you say, Kathy.
Hallelujah.
Yes.
Definitely, definitely that this victim mentality um has has got to stop because when people don't know their own truth and they stay in that victim mentality.
Um, when people don't know their own truth, they're hanging on to program.
And if they got program, um, they want to share it with everybody and force it on everybody.
That's what um where all the arguing comes in uh among survivors.
No, you have to look at it my way.
You have to buy into my perception because they need validation um from outside themselves for the lie that they're following.
You know, we we need to get through that curve and know our own truth, and that takes going within.
When we know our own truth, then we're strong in it.
We don't need anybody to validate that for us.
We don't have to push it on everyone.
That allows everyone to have their own path and heal from within, and it stops this constant bickering that's going on in this um this overwhelming push of ideas.
I think that we saw magnified with mind control masks of virus, you know, those who bought into the program, those who didn't, you know, mask up.
You gotta wear your mask, you know, because they that was their program.
They and they wanted everybody to buy into that program uh because they didn't want to.
Why did they want us masked, Kathy?
Um, because it depersonalizes it inhibits oxygen to the brain, necessary for critical analysis free thought, and it muffles voices, especially from six feet away, and the depersonalization it caused as soon as the children developed identity disorders from it,
then that was redefined by the school system as uh gender um uh a gender problem that they had a um uh they they didn't know their own gender, and so they redefined it so they could push the transgender movement in, which is uh a pedophile agenda that is also a depopulation agenda rolled into one because there's no human procreation with it, right?
But um, it's horrible what we did with the children just by masking them up, and then putting them behind plexiglass, depersonalizing them till they don't even know who they are, and then telling them it's gender confusion, and the next thing they know, they go from the masks and the plexiglass to stuff in dollars and tranny panties.
We really messed up a generation.
We all better wake up, remember who we are and why we're here, Reclaim our free thought and start protecting our children going forward.
We got a generation to heal big time.
Amen.
Don't you think that the parents of these children that allowed that are under heavy, heavy duty mind control.
They've been um indoctrinated and conditioned for so long that um they're only now waking up to realize it, you know, like um there's so many parents that are dealing with overwhelming grief.
They're seeing the results of what happened when they got had their kids get the injection and mask them up.
They're they're having to deal with that reality.
Now they've got overwhelming grief.
You know, again, pick up that pen, write out your grief, write out your guilt, write out your trauma, write out your fear, write out what's immobilizing you, add a solution, you know, and get your brain firing because um we got to make sure that we evolve with the knowledge we just gained and never never let this happen again.
Wow, well said.
What do you think about Q and on, Kathy?
I I think that that was uh a way of being able to get a lot of people to open their eyes.
Um it's nothing that I had time to follow in any way, but um I understand that the efforts to wake people up and get them to understand the magnitude of the problem that we're unraveling right now, um, had to be come at from a lot of different angles.
So um the instead of you know, snap judging one thing or the other, we need to expand our thinking and look into find the truth and everything, and um start pulling that together because, like you were saying at the beginning, Roseanne is such a so perfect, you know, everybody's got to bring their piece of the puzzle to the table so that the big picture comes into focus and we can all be effective, taking back our minds, our lives, and our world.
Here's to that.
Here's to that amazing.
I wanted to talk about like how we talk.
Uh how long have we been on this, Jay?
How long we've been on hour 13.
We have a okay.
Well, I want I want to wrap it up with yeah, we can have her back anytime.
Yeah, we want to come back a lot, but I I just we didn't even get into how me and you talk to each other, which I think maybe next time you you come on here, we'll we'll do some of that because we don't you know, we're just sharing information today,
but we're beyond all that for years, and uh we're we're into a whole other realm between me and you where we are we are noticing and understanding what our brains in fact are capable of,
and we do all kinds of thought experiments together just to see how it works because it is miraculous, ain't it?
It really is.
You know, we we have been taught that our our brains um if we use 10 percent of our brain, what's the rest of it?
You know, I mean, that we've got so much that we have access to our life's experience, I think blast it us into primitive parts of our brain and intuitions and and and other sense heightened senses and capabilities that um we all have access to.
When we remember those to use those parts of our brain, you know, we have uh it's part of our defense mechanism.
It's even with survivors who are still in the the victim mode, you know, and and have the overactive adrenal systems and they're in fear all the time, you know.
If they just hey, tap into what your brain's got active there and integrate that in and start using it, then you have added defenses, and all of a sudden that alone calms the adrenal system to where the body can heal too.
So the the mind over body aspect is something everyone needs to tap into.
The things you and I talk about are so deep and profound, and I can't wait to be together in person.
Maybe um we can get into a deep discussion um on camera with that kind of stuff right now.
I'm working on a uh another book um aligned with the divine within that um reminds people to you know use those aspects of the brain that you and I are so aware of and know so much about.
So, you know, it's uh yeah, because it's not it's not just mind over the physical body you're living in, but it's actually mind over matter too.
It is, and there's so much synchronicity that like what you mentioned, you know, that people forget to align with.
There's so much possibility and um and capability that we all have.
We've been distracted for so long by these shallow, you know, headline news, snap judgments, social media and everything else.
We need we need to get back to um appreciating the magnitude of what we've been blessed with all along.
And um, I think you and I are real good at at sharing that with each other, the exciting things that um that we have rediscovered about the amazing, the amazing way that humanity has been made.
I like when we sit on your porch and like we just uh start thinking about birds and then birds show up.
Yeah, the vibrational frequencies.
Yeah, it it's it's Cherokee Sacred Land and like whatever your vibrational frequency is draws particular animals to you.
Right now, I've got hummingbirds everywhere, which is a really great frequency.
Um that that animals come to deer.
When deer come up in your yard and just walk up to you, it's because your vibration is proper, it's right, you're in a good space.
Um, and yeah, so we get to share that when we're together and um have that that beautiful experience with nature.
It's a mind blower to see all everything's connected, everything.
That's the big one that people need to see, and they are so programmed to uh not see it, but it's you know, not see it.
Wow, it's right there, it's right there.
If you get over that big hurdle where you know, that system of non-thought tries to control what God gave you, what the universe, the good, the good in you, um, the divinity in you.
Boy, they don't like any of that.
They sure hate that.
And uh, you know, but I don't know.
Well, it was my great pleasure to introduce you to President Trump.
And I want to end by you telling what what that was like for you to meet him.
Well, is it it's uh first president I ever met that had um soul, you know, like and and genuine care and compassion for humanity and um in addition to extremely vast intelligence.
It was it was an amazing experience for me that was complete opposite of anything that my life had conditioned me to think of someone in his position.
And um it's not that it was so much a surprise because um I knew that these perpetrators feared him.
I knew that he was vastly different from them.
I knew that Mark was real excited about the prospects of what was to come.
So um it was just a validation of the beauty that life really does have to offer when we dare to open our eyes and see beyond what we think we know.
Oh, that is so great.
What a great way to end it.
I love you so much.
Oh, well, you your other book is uh there's transformation of America and uh what's the other one I can't remember?
PTSD at time for healing, and the other one, Kathy.
Access denied for reasons of national security.
That's the journey, Mark's in my journey through the corrupted justice and mental health system to help my daughter Kelly.
So it shows the corruption of child protective services and the roots of it, how they do it, and what we did to kick down doors and make our way through it.
So um, yeah, it's a uh a timely book for right now.
It's like a roadmap into the corruption, into the system and uh what we can do about it.
Well, thank you for uh kick starting this whole Great Awakening movement for the 40 some years you've been at it and for all of the uh humiliation that you has been heaped on you by these people who are on the wrong side of life, history, humanity.
But here you are, and you look better than ever.
And I love you, and thanks for being on today.
Thank you.
Thanks for having me.
You're amazing.
I love you.
Love you, Kathy.
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
Oh, you see, my pacifists grow with fear with the sympathetic word.
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