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Aug. 15, 2025 - The Roseanne Barr Podcast
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“Ghislaine’s Trump Card” w/ Daphne Barak | The Roseanne Barr Podcast #111
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Welcome to the Roseanne Bar podcast.
Oh, you see my patience is growing fair.
Oh boy, we've got a buff, buff, banger of a show.
You know how I love to talk to geniuses.
I've got a real OG woman genius on with me today.
She has an incredible history of stuff that she's done.
She is an international interviewer and media producer.
She has a great library of interviews she's done with like Michael Jackson, Liza Minnelli and her sister, a documentary about Amy Winehouse, Barack Obama's grandmother, and a whole bunch of other things.
She's an international interviewer.
It's been on twenty minutes and she's I mean sixty minutes and all kinds of people from all over the world and a personal friend of mine.
So we're welcoming Daphne Barack.
Hi Daphne.
Hi Razan and hi Jake and I'm so happy to be with you guys.
I mean we are old friends.
It's time we reconnect.
Yeah.
Well you've got to you know I'm so excited to talk to you because I know you're a you're a jet setter kind of gal and you've been in you've been in journalism for how many years have you been a journalist?
Since Rupert Murdoch brought me to be the interviewer of five.
interview of Fox when I was 21 and that wasn't yesterday so basically that was around 91-92 so wow it's a long time and didn't you work with Rupert Murdoch Rupert Murdoch is the one who brought me from Israel to become the first interviewer of Fox Network It was not Fox News, it was Fox Network.
We were a bunch of stations and that's when Bill and Hillary and Arlen Tipper ran against a Bush senior and I came with a brilliant idea that we have to call ourselvesves the fourth network because we are the youngest.
And still, so I was the first one who did the interviews not only for Channel 5 New York, Channel, you know, Boston, LA, but for everybody.
And they were still FedExing my tapes to one another.
There was nothing like, you know, like Zooms and stuff like that.
So it was quite interesting.
So yeah, and I signed at the same time, funny enough because we're going to talk about it, with Robert Maxwell.
Yeah, I wanted to ask that next.
And he was the owner of the New York Daily News, which at the time, Rosanna and Jake, was the biggest paper in New York.
New York Daily News number two.
So I invented, without even thinking about the first time promos between television and prints.
So the Daily News would say watch Fox tonight and Fox would say as you read in the Daily News.
I was like a meteor and you never thought my career would become nationwide and then international.
And then one day I demanded the raise.
at the new york daily news i said i'm the star i want you know double money and the editor-in-chief i remember his name jim will see i said daphne yes you're the star i'm going to speak to mr maxwell i'm goingm going to approve it.
Don't worry, we are not even going to pay you that month so we can take it at ROACTIVE, right?
And I was so happy, I was celebrating.
And I remember that I was at the Regency Hotel in New York and I faxed him what I wanted and I faxed it in writing.
And I mean, he told me everything would be fine because of course Maxwell will approve it.
And nobody's calling me, nobody's faxing me back.
So I called the, I remember his name, Denise, the secretary of Jim Wilson, and I said, Denise, did you get my fax?
And she said, Daphne, are you watching cnn and i said why why is it why does it matter i'm talking about my context he said robert maxwell his body was found floating i mean your context is not really the issue right now so uh the daily news went for chapter 11 and i lost two months and then of course they got my salary up doubles so robert officially when i talked
to his widow betty maxwell and ghislaine maxwell I told him, well, your father owed me money.
Well, I was going to say that real quick.
When you talk about Maxwell, people don't know we're talking about Ghislaine's father.
Well, he owes money to many people, Jake, because you know, they changed the law in the UK because of him, because they found out he wasn't a billionaire towards the end.
He stole hundreds of millions of pension money from hardworking people that could never retrieve it.
So, yeah, it didn't end very nicely.
You know, okay, getting into it.
Yeah, it's tough to get into it.
Didn't they use Jeffrey Epstein to change all those laws to help him steal all that money?
Those people?
I don't know Rosan when he met Jeffrey Epstein.
I met Ghislaine and her mother, Betty, exactly a year after he killed himself or he was murdered or whatever happened or he fell.
And at that point, we decided to do the first anniversary interview with his widow.
Ghislaine was not the big deal.
Betty Maxwell was the big deal.
She haven't talked.
And of course, you know, everything went through foreclosure.
They took their money.
It was disgraced.
So they became from, you know, what it fell from, what a fall from race.
And I imagined We flew Betty Maxwell from London for the first interview.
It took me a lot to convince her because Rupert Murdoch and Robert Maxwell were rivals and to tell her what you do with the first interview to Fox, which belongs to Rupert Murdoch, was not really easy.
And I remember that Fox, we didn't have much money, right?
So the budget, she was really upset.
that she didn't a that we didn't fly her first class Virgin.
I said, no, it's like a base business.
No, no, no, it's economy plus.
She almost didn't make the flight.
So I said, don't worry, we're going to pamper you in New York.
You'll be in a royal suite.
And we didn't have budget, you know, Fox budget, right?
So I went to Donald Trump, who owned the time you owned the plaza.
And I said, Mr. Trump, you know, we will put you on the 10 o'clock news.
We'll promote you.
And I mean, because at the beginning I said, would you do me a favor?
I mean, she's a widow.
She doesn't have anything.
Could we put her in the hotel for free?
And would you also upgrade her to the presidential suite?
I mean, on top of it.
I hear about Donald.
He said, what's there for me?
I said, well, we'll give you, we'll put the plaza at the footage and we would promote you two days in a row at the 10 o'clock news and of course he agreed because it was a great promotion and that's why until today when you see the only interview with Ghislaine Maxwell which was actually with her mother before the big interview I did 30 years ago 30 years later in jail you see Betty Maxwell and Ghislaine going you know you have the B-roll they're going on the stairs on
the towards the plaza at the fifth avenue that was part of the promotion right it was very important not to miss it and now guillaine everybody said daphne did the only guillaine interview ever.
Now, of course, in jail five years later.
But funny, and people offered me when Ghislaine was arrested, people offered me like, I don't know, like $30,000 for 30 seconds of this interview.
I mean, crazy money.
But Ghislaine Maxwell was not the interview.
We flew Betty.
And then Betty said to me when I took her for dinner, I said, well, Ghislaine, my daughter lives in New York.
Can she come for dinner?
And I said, sure.
What do you mean?
She came to dinner and she said, would Ghislaine be part of the interview?
So I called the vice president of Fox News and I said, well, you know, what are you seeing?
I mean, the yacht is on her name whatever why wouldn't we include her and he told me well she doesn't cost us money, right?
I said, no, no, she lives here.
Okay, so let's do it.
So the interview was not Betty, not Delayed, it was Betty.
29 years later, it was suddenly, oh, the only interview was Delayed Maxwell.
Now, back to your question, I suspect, Roseanne, that that's the time sort of that she met Jeffrey Epstein, because she didn't have anything, you know, and she lived at the time in a very small studio.
I remember it was 60 sticks of Madison, something not far away from Fox, because after the interview, I went with the tapes instead of messengering.
I was very snoopy.
I wanted to see where she lived.
So I went and delivered it.
So it's a very fancy address, but it was a very small studio.
And I suspect she said to me at the interview that a friend gave it to her.
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Putting everyone together it was probably Jeffrey Epstein so that's the idea and from then she rose very quickly she said in my first interview that was very important for her to make money because she wanted to help her mother and she was very sweet at that time and It was really important for her not to bedmouse her father,
which she was very close to, but said he also did good things, not only bad things, but also to say, yes, I'm working on projects to make money.
That's my goal right now, because I need to help my mother.
So if you put one and one together, we're looking at November'92.
And when I met her second time in'95, I did an interview with Hello, and then I didn't see her for years.
She was already with Jeffrey Epstein, and I remember that a close friend of Leslie Waxner, the owner of Victoria's Secret and mine, told me, since you're going to see Ghislaine, would you give her an advice that Jeffrey Epstein is never going to marry her?
She's not going to be Mrs. Epstein.
I mean, he loves younger girls.
At that point, was was nine and jake i didn't know young girls what it means i mean it could be right you know you're thinking 20s yeah exactly like 25 years the limit right and i remember i said to ghislaine uh ghislaine that's the message and she hated it she said no it's not true it's like she really didn't want to hear it she was working on being misses epstein and and maybe she was in love with him or she was in love with with the lifestyle like the combination
of her contacts with her and with his endless money but she really didn't want to hear about Epstein not marrying her.
her you're like right in the pocket well so so I mean, okay, so he grooms her into getting girls for him.
Yeah, and that's what his camps do.
They'll groom their bottom woman into bringing them.
And that's what I think she really fell into it, Rosan.
When I interviewed her famously, the only interview she gave since she was arrested.
four interviews not two because we released only two because it made so many headlines we didn't need you can still sit on two right and uh And she said, I just regret the moment I met him.
I just kept saying it.
She answered all the questions.
I will get to that soon.
But there was one question she didn't answer, Jake, and was done.
And you understand why I'm saying it to you right now.
I said to her, okay, you said three, four times that you regret the moment you met Jeffrey Epstein.
She said, yes.
Very...
So I said in that case, Ghislaine, and it's recorded, of course, you know that.
In that case, Ghislaine, when did you reach this conclusion that you regret this moment.
So that means you know what I'm saying.
Like when did you understand what are you doing or what he's doing and you are an accomplice?
This she jumped.
She didn't want to answer.
She said, you know, I'm facing an appeal.
I'll answer you after the appeal and everything.
And legally, she's right, you know, if you're like, but that's the question.
I mean, maybe at the beginning, she didn't really understand what she was doing.
Maybe one time introduced me one.
But then it became her job.
Yeah, a job.
After he was convicted, what was that?
2008, the first time?
He was there.
he was indicted in 2006 yeah 2006 and he convicted 2008 yeah yeah but she still hung around with him after he was convicted that's another question the same question you're asking prince andrew why did you go to his house at 2010 right uh i think she tried to move i know she tried to move with her with her life it's difficult to move from so much money right and so much lifestyle and this life she she found out held her back.
She could not escape her destiny.
People maybe don't know, but they know that she moved to live with Ted Wade, he's a very rich guy from San Diego.
That's the guy that Bill Clinton distanced himself and said, no, no, we did not invite Ghislaine Maxwell to Chelsea's wedding.
She was plus one of Ted Wade.
But that's not true.
Bill Clinton has been very close to Ghislaine almost until she was arrested.
So basically, she did move.
She was madly in love with Ted Wade.
She really wanted to become Mrs. Ted Wade.
She became very close to his children.
And then one day he received extortion from somebody who knew about her past and wanted money from Ted Wade.
And he did the right thing., I understand.
Reportedly, he called the FBI and he did not pay.
But this seized and deceased his relationship with Gillen.
He knew he could not move forward.
And actually, she's, I understand, she's very hurt because she wanted him to testify or at least give the position in her trial that she couldn't do certain things at one point because he knew she couldn't, if she was with him or anything.
He refused to do anything with it.
So, I mean, she was really, really hurt.
So she couldn't really move away.
And as you know, 2016, Virginia Giuffrey, by the way, Virginia Giuffrey talked only with me before she died and uh funny enough because she knew that i'm the one who interviewed ghislaine she knew that sarah ferguson the duchess of york is a close friend of mine she's the one who saved me from cancer and she's trusted me and i actually respect that and so virginia juffrey uh sued ghislaine in 2016 there was a settlement it kept coming she could not run away from that and
uh and they Of course, 2000, and then when she married the guy, Scott, who was much younger than her, the whole idea of the marriage, I mean, she was madly in love because this is the type of falling in love.,
who falls in love, and in her imagination the man is what she wants the man to be but then she the whole idea was that she put all her money on a trust that he controlled except then it backfired she had to beg from him money for the appeal because she didn't want all the lawsuits to come and take her money so the money babe can you take the dog babe can you take the dog Hillary Clinton's at your back
door.
I love it.
No, we are with Rosanna and she hates dogs.
I know you love it.
Yeah.
Okay.
So basically, she really wanted to move on, but I just think it kept, on one end, there was a lot of money, but I think it kept, it's like what they say, you know, when you join the mafia, but you never know how you can check out.
yeah they're not going to shut out I I'm curious about her.
I'm curious about the whole thing, how deeply Prince Andrew and the whole royal family is involved with the whole thing, because they could have never gotten an island and control of the world economy, which they did have.
Jeffrey Epstein changed a whole bunch of laws that destroyed the sovereignty of nations.
I mean, he was being used by people at the tippity tippity top.
And I'm just always interested in the Prince Andrew royal part of it, you know?
Well, I'm interested in that.
It's a good question, Rosanna, because Andrew, as I said, Sarah is a very close friend of Bill and I. And it's not really what people think about Andrew and Sarah.
She's more loyal than, it's not a love story anymore.
And she's been paying a big, big price for standing by him or even just living there.
But Andrew was the favorite son of the queen.
We all know that.
It's not an exclusive knowledge.
I know King Charles and Camilla well.
Camilla's younger sister, Annabelle, is a good friend of mine.
Of course, Sarah is a good friend of mine.
But Andrew was always the sweetheart, right?
He could do no wrong.
until Epstein came and that was too much.
So basically, Jeffrey was actually very smart to befriend Andrew because, I mean, nobody blamed him.
he was good looking at the time and a hero sort of, but nobody blamed Andrew for being too smart, right?
So I mean, Jeffrey Epstein probably manipulated him, whatever.
And I mean, I almost fell from my chair, like I'm sitting right now when I interviewed Gillette, one of the, "Beg, can you take that?" When I, one of my four interviews, I asked her about Clinton, Donald Trump, which I'll have an exclusive for you, Andrew.
And she started to speak so hard, highly about Andrew, okay?
And then she said, and he's so well read, and this, I dropped off.
What did you say now?
She told me that she was coming.
I mean, so Andrew being positioned as the second son after King Charles, the favorite of the queen, and he will do anything to please Jeffrey.
And of course, Jeffrey was not an exclusive bad guy next to Andrew.
Andrew was hanging with Gaddafi's son, with dictators from Kazakhstan and whatever.
Yeah.
Yeah, somebody bought his house for three million pounds more than it's worse it doesn't happen to you and i was on right does it happen to you so i mean it was really um a brilliant for geoffrey to do that and andrew also had a role uh of a ambassador representative for the trade and commerce of england so he had a lot of power in the high day hey days to go and change rules so you're actually on on you're on something absolutely you have
to maybe check in these years how many rules changed and where was it?
No, I did.
I go down that rabbit hole and yeah, it was a lot of.
just a facing operation, moving money to the top, from the bottom.
Can I say something real quick?
i've heard theories that epstein you know obviously i mean from the bottom to the top excuse me moving money public money from the people and putting it all in private pockets there's talk that he wasn't just doing that's from the playbook of delane's father no absolutely absolutely So you think the brains of the whole, I mean, that guy was really smart.
Maxwell.
Robert?
Robert Maxwell was smart until he was caught, but it took a long lot of years until he was caught and he was moving money from here, from there, from there.
I mean, he bought the Daily News for $1 and everybody was kissing his ass, right?
I mean, for months when I came to New York, a meeting with Mr. Maxwell was like, oh, are you kidding me?
So he was really smart.
But Jeffrey Epstein, I've never met Jeffrey Epstein.
I said, I was very lucky not to, although we moved in some place.
My ex-boyfriend at the time was double my age.
He was Republican.
I was Democrat.
Was actually Leslie Wexler's best friend and they were the richest guy in Columbus, Ohio.
And he just disliked Jeffrey Epstein without even knowing why.
And he used to tell him, why are you letting this nobody handle all your money, right?
And so it never happened that I met Epstein because Gordy didn't want us to meet.
And then Gordy's the one sent me to talk to Ghislaine.
He will never met, he will never I severe all contacts.
And I heard that he continued to talk to Epstein.
So Epstein probably had something with Wexner, which the owner of Victoria's Secret.
That's why he gave him all this money and everything.
But what I conclude, and I heard and you will conclude the same, he wouldn't be able to befriend people like Clinton or even Trump at the time or anybody.
Just, I mean, Alan Dershovitz told me he was all over him, right?
If he wasn't charming, he probably had a charm that he could put on and off and woo people beside money because it couldn't be only money.
Yeah.
Well, you know, sociopaths have great charm.
That's how they do.
The most charming.
Absolutely.
And probably that's how you would Ghislaine, because Ghislaine is, my issue with Ghislaine is that she is coming from the best education money can buy.
Even if I play you one minute from her interviews with me in jail, it's a very British accent, you know, and she articulates herself very well, right?
So what I say for, I'm a self-made girl.
I mean, I was tempted at the beginning of my career to do the wrong decision and I wouldn't be here if I did, right?
So, but for Hera to fall into such a trap, it must have been more than money only.
It must have been at the beginning fun, charm.
She really believed she was meddling in love with him.
Well, that's how blackmail works is, you're like, I can't get out or I get killed and exposed.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then, yeah.
And then she couldn't get out.
And then she started to pay, to pay dearly and now I guess she told me you remember when we met I was in this small studio I mean there was maybe I couldn't even I couldn't even stretch a leg ah but I had my freedom I could walk in and out today I would pay anything to have it back right and ever since Rosanna and Jake she had all these mansions that she lived in and you know flew private jets and the yachts and everything so
it's very interesting.
What's very, the one thing that they got me is how bad her judgment about men.
I mean, she had $15 million in the bank when Epstein killed himself or was murdered.
She thinks he was murdered, right?
I want to know what you think.
I think he's still alive.
I think they know him.
You think so?
And he's probably somewhere watching us and saying, wow, Rosanna is smart.
How did you find that?
Yeah, he's in the Witness Protection Program.
Probably, probably.
but yeah, the idea that he would never talk, right?
i think he talked plenty What's happening?
The funny thing is, yeah, it's all coming down, isn't it?
Well, Ghislaine believed.
that, as you remember, there was this one year that everybody says, look for Waldo.
Where is Gillane?
Where is Gillane?
Right?
After he was murdered or he's alive or he was killed.
And she believed at the beginning, as long as he was alive, that she's protected because she can be a key witness against him.
And that was the conversation between her lawyer and the authorities.
But then wouldn't you and I, when he's dead, I have $15 million in the bank.
I know I will be the next...
Wouldn't you just take a private jet and go?
I mean, she's a French citizen.
They would never be able to indict her from a French territory.
She could have been going to Tahiti, a beautiful French territory, right?
Not even to Paris.
No, because of the man that she was convincing that she was in love with, she stayed.
She was like a lunatic going every three, four days to another place.
I interviewed the man who was the head of security, who was moving into one place to another.
And I mean, there was not life until they decided that that she could not move anymore and they got her this house that of course they remember when she they said she's eating at McDonald's or in and out there's in and out over here in LA.
What a burger, whatever it's.
It was in and out.
In and out.
Trust me, Ghislaine Maxwell does not eat in and out.
It was a fake image.
But can I just ask you a question real quick?
It will be...
I'm sorry, can you hear me?
Wasn't her father Maxwell, wasn't he tied to Mossad or a member of Mossad?
I wanted to ask you about that because you're Israeli.
Yeah.
There's obviously a Mossad player.
Paint the whole picture.
He died.
First of all, I didn't know who was working for the Mossads.
They don't give me an employee list, right?
So, uh, uh, but he was working with MI6 though do you yeah also they said so when when he died they said it has to do with Mossad and everything right I don't understand a logical reason why Mossad would kill him because he was probably he was giving the if he was indeed working for the Mossad he was giving the goods why to kill him right also I think I
mean Mossad usually gets the look what they did right now in Iran amazing people to to kill people at this at the second they walk into a room I mean it has to be the best intelligent.
Oh, on the toilet.
That's what I love.
Or pagers.
That's my God.
I mean, I would love to meet, I would just love to think and guess how high up the Mossad people are in Iran, because just incredible.
From the head of Hamas, killing the head of the Hamas, killing their people, just incredible.
But usually Mossad would be very, very careful not to spy in friendly territories like America or UK.
That's really a big mistake.
Especially you and I would feel that MI6 or CIA would know about it.
I don't know.
I mean, who knows?
Look, he was traveling, his birthday, Robert Maxwell's birthday, 70s or something, was very lavish in Morocco.
Maybe he was the spy in Morocco, maybe he was spy in other territories.
I would doubt that he would do it in America or England.
And I would doubt that Mossad would need him in friendly countries because they exchange intelligence, right?
Yeah.
Well, that's what I think it was, shared intelligence between the three intelligence agencies.
Well, bye bye.
But you must have owed.
too much money is how I can figure it out.
'Cause they always kill you if you owe too much money.
Yeah, when you owe too much, it's like, And Donald said, why you're doing all the big scopes and what about me?
And I said, well, Mr. Trump, you're giving interviews to anybody.
no, no, I'll give you a scope.
So when I did the interview, and by the way, said okay you do the interview I'll direct it so he He didn't trust me, I guess.
We have me with a red suit and he had the escalator going down and people are looking exactly what he did with Melania in 2002.
So he had been thinking about this scene for a while and it was so good that he was actually opening the 10 o'clock news at 10 o'clock.
But when I met Donald, we used to call him the comeback kid.
You remember?
So I don't know how it worked with Robert Maxwell.
So I'm not a I'm not a an expert in the economy, but I mean there would be many ways to look at it.
But look, regarding Mossad, there are also speculations that Jeffrey Epstein was working for the Mossad, right?
Yeah.
Pretty strong ones.
Well, I think he was obviously working for everybody that needs to blackmail other people to stay where they are.
And that's everybody, right?
Everybody at the top.
It all works on blackmail, you know that, right?
There's nothing that comes of like good intentions or good results.
They all got the goods on each other and they're afraid of each other too.
And laughing.
Hungry, yeah.
And I always tell my friends, don't be friend new friends who have less to lose than you do.
Oh, God, that's good.
Right?
To have more to lose.
No, that's me back years ago.
Yeah, that's rule number one, right?
So you know that.
But I mean, but Jeffrey, it's very interesting because, I mean, look, it can be because of Maxwell, which we don't know if Maxwell knew Epstein.
I'm just thinking the person that met, they met around that time because she said a new friend is financing, they gave her the apartment.
But because there are rumors about Maxwell and he was definitely Jewish and very connected to the state of Israel.
And then, of course, Epstein was Jewish and then as photos of Ewood Barack.
I was going to ask you, I asked you before, are you any relation to him?
No, I mean, Barack in Israel is like Jones in a bar.
Barr, are you related to Attorney General Barr?
No, I mean, it's not.
No, yeah, exactly.
It's idiotic, right?
Just because I am very known and he, I have nothing to do.
And I scored the big interview.
First of all, I scored the big interviews with the family of Ghislaine.
We did Susan Zorinski, the president of CBS news at the time.
Right now, she's a top top president of CBS, she's my close friend.
And I did a series called Ghislaine.
partner in crime, right?
And it was the fourth series, it's right now in Paramount class.
And at the beginning before Ghislaine, we did the first interviews with her family, her brothers, her sister, it was a huge series.
So we had both sides of the aisle, of course, the victims and everything.
So when they saw this big exclusive, I never look at social media.
You know, I'm sure you don't either.
I mean, it's like I call it the toilet of the internet.
I agree with Lady Gaga.
And they said, "Of course she scored it because she's a cousin of El Barak and he's..." We went the whole way, nine way out.
So no, but I'm just saying,
So Eud Barak, who had his own relationship with Epstein like many other people and Mossad and everything and of course the whole Israel and maxwell is buried in israel which is another funny thing because when he died before the whole dead came it was oh my god what a tragedy uh margul robot maxwell died right so israel said oh let's of course come and bury him in the mountain of olive they gave him the most prestigious
He was a guy, he was a massage coming tomorrow, Robert Maxwell is the first to go out.
And then a day later, everybody said, I knew him, I'm a distant cousin.
It was really funny.
Two days later, suddenly all the dirt that he was actually broke and he stole the pension and everybody like, no, no, no.
It's like, nobody knew how his body somehow came to his way.
It's a bit sour, right?
i mean idea but i want to tell you something jake and was done about something which is going on right now and that occupies all the headlines so we'll give you the scoop yes please my friend so as you know um Deputy Attorney General has questioned Elaine Maxwell for nine hours two weeks ago.
We knew my husband and I, Bill and I knew about this questioning ahead because somebody very close was having lunch with us before and was making the arrangement for travel to Tallahassee, right?
But of course we didn't talk about it.
Of course, three days later, one morning I see Pem Bondi putting a statement out that there would be such a meeting.
That's the same Pem Bondi who said, the client list is on my desk.
and then there was no client list so i don't know what made her do that i don't know what made her announce that there was this meeting because right now she put all the media was traveling to talahasse it was to Tallahassee, it was supposed to be discreet.
They couldn't even do it in the jail because they didn't do homework.
The jail in Tallahassee didn't have a desk big enough for seven people.
And I say like, can they join two desks?
No, because the desks are glued to the floor.
And so are the chairs.
I guess there would be no violence.
So they could not.
They had, because of the media, they had to suddenly start moving it to the courthouse and all that.
So now everybody was, of course, bringing conspiracy theories.
Of course, Pembroke put Trump in a very impossible situation.
Both the left wing and MAGA against him, why are you not revealing, releasing the information you said you will, right?
Even people from inside Lakeshpatal are very uncomfortable with this, right?
And on the other hand, everybody says, of course, Ghislaine would say to the Deputy Attorney General whatever Donald Trump wants to hear because she wants pardoning.
So I know some of what she said in these nine hours, but There's no way she could just go and change the story or change the narrative because it was not the first questioning.
My interviews are everybody knows, was the first questioning, but it wasn't only the 20 minutes that everybody was talking that you saw on TV.
And the first one, the jail after Susan Zarinsky and I pushed so much, invited me to an invitation you cannot refuse to go to MDC in Brooklyn, the worst, worst jail ever, where PDD is held right now, to see her.
But I'm a television interview, and they didn't want a television interview, so they gave me only a notepad and a pen.
So that's it.
But there were two interviews in the middle because Susan Zarinsky and I were insisting to get a television interview.
And they couldn't say to us, no, tomorrow, tomorrow, not now, not now.
So I refused to go to Tallahassee a second time.
And I said, well, I don't feel well and I don't want to go all the way.
Let me do it on the phone.
And that's how I sat where I'm here.
And we have my crew videotaping it, but it was audio only.
But they allowed me, they felt bad.
So they allowed me to do 80 minutes.
So that was real questioning.
It wasn't.
And then we asked again, Susan and I. And then again, they said, no, it has to be.
on the phone or in person.
So we didn't have it.
So 160 minutes right now.
And then we had enough.
We understand in the Biden administration, I was calling the head of BOP, Bureau of Prison, the attorney general, deputy attorney general, I mean, we understood they're not going to let us interview Elaine on television and her brother told us that he has the first video phone error with her.
Susan and I and Bill and our team just flew to London in one second and instead of her brother talking to her, it was me, right?
So that was a television interview, but we had 160 minutes.
So there is a way to see if she lied in order to win an appeal or not.
And I tell you what, among what she was asked by the Deputy Attorney General was, of course, about Clinton, which I'll tell you what she said, and also about the birthday card, the big $10 billion lawsuit of Donald Trump against Rupert Murdoch about the Wall Street Journal file staff.
And I'll tell you what you said about both.
But it will be very difficult for her to change a story like about Clinton or Trump or anybody, which is important, even Andrew, because she was questioned by me 160 minutes and people So it's very, very obvious that you can just check if you can.
My experience with her was that she was consistent.
The four interviews were in a span of maybe 15, 16 months.
So she did not change the story.
So she was consistent.
The only thing is the difference is that she was so positive about Bill Clinton.
I mean, she really had maintained friendship with him until maybe a year or so before she was arrested, before she disappeared.
That was even.
that's not only epstein she had a personal relationship with bill chambers and then basically when the deputy attorney general asked her she she said bill clinton distanced himself said he was just with geoffrey epstein because he was a philanthropist and he gave 10 million dollars to a university whatever no they were very close friends and she's epstein set up the clinton foundation At least I didn't know, but that makes a lot of sense because he was smart.
But basically, Ghislaine did say to the Deputy Attorney General, to Todd Blanche, that Clinton was close to her, very close to her.
The only thing I understand, her tone changed from the tone she spoke to me.
With me, she was really, she was like a 16-year-old girl in love.
You know, she really loved Belgium.
With them, she said they were very close.
She kept the narrative, but the tone was very unfriendly.
She was very, very disappointed for how they distanced themselves from her because it was really, really close.
Now the birthday card, right?
2003.
So she was asked about it.
And Wall Street Journal does not have the birthday card.
They have a fifth or sixth generation of the birthday card.
But definitely there is a birthday card.
Now, the $10 billion question is whether Trump painted this postcard and whether he really wrote that, right?
And that there's only one person who can answer.
Ghislaine was asked.
She basically said she needs to see the card and then she would answer.
So A, it's true, it was 20 years.
I mean, how can she remember, right?
And with all the torture she's been in jail, she probably lost some of her memory.
But suddenly, she might have been playing smart, well, I'm not giving you all the information right now.
First of all, get me out of here, right?
And they did get her to another prison.
Next to you, darling.
I visited this jail.
Not that I'm waking up every morning brushing my teeth and going to visit jails, right?
I'm not Kim Kardashian.
But we are working on the first TV interview with Elizabeth Holmes, Serrano.
And Bill and I, I had my cancer charity gala March 2nd or something and then a week later we went with Billy Evans, her partner and the father of his very cute children to see Liz's homes.
And I have to say, after being in MDC, this is a cushy jail.
I mean, if to be a jail in jail, this is a jail you want to be.
I mean, it has green grasses.
I mean, her life definitely improved.
It has green grass and you can see the children.
I mean, we were spending with Liz like four or five hours.
It's very friendly.
You have Lego, you have everything.
You have vendor machines.
Now, Liz told us that she cannot, she's not allowed to be there only in the weekend from the visitation.
But still, she was very fit.
She's exercising every day.
It's a big upgrade from Tallahassee.
So she did...
Absolutely.
Even the birthday card.
Look, Donald Trump is suing Rupert Murdoch for $10 billion.
are big two titans, right?
World Street Journal felt very secure to run the story because they did have a
And it's not only the $10 billion, you know, there will not be $10 billion.
There will be settlement or whatever down the road.
But it's right now who will give up first.
And she's the only one who can wait in because what if she says, well, yeah, of course there was a cow.
It is a cow, right?
But I told Donald, look, I wrote so and so, I painted so and so, would you just sign?
So that's a different story, right?
She can say what she wants.
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So she said she could not say anything until she sees the card.
The card is allegedly with the state.
So either Donald Trump or Rupert Murdoch have to subpoena the state for the card.
I'm assuming Donald Trump would not do that.
Why would he?
So it will be up to Rupert Murdoch, right?
But even then, she as the only live witness can say, well, yeah, this is a card.
But you know what?
I wrote the content.
I, you know, as a powerful and career woman I was, I was telling people, would you write this?
Would you write this?
Whatever, right?
So that would change the narrative.
So she's sitting in a powerful position.
And also because as I don't think she ever turn on the Clintons?
Oh, definitely.
First of all, she, as much as it depends on her, she is very upset about the Clinton.
I wonder why, because when I interviewed her in one of the, I think the second or third interview, she surprised me.
As a woman who used to socialize, I mean, what was her description of her job, the socialize?
Rosanne, you and I waking up in the morning, we work, right?
We do socialize, we have great friends, but this is not what we do mainly.
That's what she did.
Suddenly to have everybody distance themselves and say, oh, we hardly knew her or whatever, it's shocking and she was very mature about it i mean she impressed me she said i do understand that people who just emailed me invitations for birthdays and wedding anniversaries three four weeks before i was arrested have to say they hardly know me.
I mean, she said, I do understand the friendship with Prince Andrew, which was very close, can never resume.
I do understand that nobody wants to talk about me and say anything.
Do you know what she did?
Does she have remorse and any consciousness of how many lives she ruined of young girls?
That's a very good question.
And that's the one thing that I, I mean, maybe she couldn't have said that because of the appeal, but appeal is not an excuse.
I wanted her to say, I wanted her to say, I regret the lives I ruined or I helped ruining.
And she did not say that.
Maybe because of legal reasons, but I was deeply disappointed.
I mean, I was taken by other things she said.
I mean, she's a bag of information.
But that's something I really expected her to say.
Especially because I did have a very good communication with Virginia Djufry, who did not speak to me.
You won't believe it.
It's actually a mutual friend of mine.
So Alan Dershowitz called me and he said, are you going to be in DC and so-and-so date?
And I was going to see, I was going for meetings, but it was also Johnny Depp trial.
So I said, oh, let me just go and say hi.
And he said, okay, between you and I, I'm going to be there in this and this hotel because nobody knows.
I am having a deposition with Virginia Giuffrey.
She avoided seven, eight times, and I made sure that she's coming right now.
Would you be there?
I said, yes.
And I said, let's be at the same hotel.
It's not a hotel I usually stay.
And so we go.
So we are together because we have two days.
So I came back.
He called me.
He said, Daphne is a deposition just finished with Virginia.
She did very badly.
That's his words.
I don't know.
She felt bad.
And let's go and have late lunch.
I came there with Bill.
And as we go into the hotel, they suddenly, Alan and his lawyer, Arthur Aydala, they're all celebrating with Cosmo and Martinez because they felt that the deposition was so good, favoring Alan.
And suddenly he said, oh, oh, oh, look who is walking in, Virginia.
Apparently we were all staying in the same hotel.
And they were making, I mean, they're my friends.
And I understand, she caused a lot of damage to Alan.
His wife was crying to me.
I mean, you know, to excuse.
to accuse somebody of things like that but i mean they were like staring at her and you know she she was overweight swollen and she knew they were making fun of her and i made and she lacked eyes with me like whatever and i felt bad and said guys i feel like a kindergarten come on leave her alone so i went to the concierge and i sent her a bottle of champagne and and chocolate with a note And then the concierge came to me and she said,
she's asking if you would like to come up to her room.
And I went to her room and I said to Alan Dershowitz, I'm going to see her.
I said, please, please talk to her, you know, because there was no communication.
Yes, she was lying about many things, but many victims do and they have mixed memories.
And she was also at that time co-hosted by lawyers.
You know, there was lots of money involved.
But you see that this is a ruined life.
I mean, this is definitely, she was swollen, she was drinking, she had six pack of beer, beers.
They told me they just sent it to her.
she finished three by the time I was there which was maybe five ten minutes.
She did not want to go home back to Australia although it So you see, if you're a victim once, of course you're choosing your path.
And she never actually recovered.
She used to communicate with me.
And I did a beautiful article.
Actually, our mutual friend, Robert Kennedy Jr., text messaged me, my God, what a beautiful article when she died.
Because people were making fun of her.
They don't understand how victims.
behave because she said i maybe have few days to leave and i was like oh how do you know that whatever no she died four weeks later and i posted and i never post on social media such a thing i said guys when somebody says i have few days to leave take it seriously, okay?
And now everybody was regretting.
And so I remember I wrote this article, both the front pages of the Daily Mail and the Sun.
And people really, one of my friends that you know sent to me, I want you to do my mobile, like, you know, basically.
But that's one thing that I agree with you.
It's a fantastic question, Rosan.
Did she show a remorse?
She did not.
I cannot, you know, I would like to look at both sides.
I don't think she should be in jail 20 years.
I think she's done five years and she's not Jeffrey Epstein.
She was an accomplice.
And two and a half years in a solitary confinement and suicidal watch but she's i'm very disappointed she did not show remote sick it's a fantastic question worth the whole interview Do you want me to explain to you what she said about?
Yeah, let's get into the good stuff.
No, the good stuff was the question.
We already did the good stuff.
I meant the audio that you.
I know, I already explained that I'm going to do it to you.
I always say that.
No, no, no, no.
Okay, let me do this really.
I'll say it to you afterwards as well, but I want your mother to...
I've been a friend of mine since I met you., I think.
And actually, I think we were with him in the White House with Jared when they changed the law about the prisons.
Don't actually, let's talk about something, Narius, don't surprise many people when he was a president and they asked him about you after you were arrested.
And he said, well, I wish her, you know, best of luck and people's criticizing.
Do you remember that moment?
How did you feel?
I did.
Well, I was, um...
And by wishing you well, because he got asleep.
You know that, right?
I wish all he did, I think.
Anybody who says anything remotely either positive and generous about me, and even to a triangle of negative interest.
And President Trump is famous for thinking and saying what is on his mind when whenever he does it.
I was very bad.
I'm going to send you a clear cling.
Send us a clear cling and we'll put it in the text.
I do remember when he said that.
I wish you well.
We were like, best of luck.
And it got a lot of criticism, but actually she was not, there was no verdict yet.
She was just arrested.
And don't we have in America, even when it comes to the worst people, ever, don't we have a saying that you are innocent unless being convicted?
So proven guilty, yeah.
Proven guilty.
Yeah, exactly.
So, I mean., he actually did the right thing.
He said, I knew her, you know, we moved in the same circles and I wish her luck.
So look how many people.
He was gracious, you know.
Yeah.
And it's, you know, they just are down his throat no matter what he does.
So what if he wrote a Playboy like card?
Who gives a good shit?
And by the way, he never said he did not know Jeffrey Epstein.
Everybody knew in Mar-a-Lago.
You've been in Mar-a-Lago, Rosanne, and everything.
I mean, everybody knows in Mar-a-Lago who knows who and everything.
everything and it was not a but he also kicked jeffrey Epstein in 2004.
He also cooperated with the police.
He was the only, you know, hoidy toidy that cooperated with the police against Epstein and kicked him out too.
Yeah, exactly.
So, I mean, I don't think, do you think that, well, it's both parties.
I won't say it's just Democrats, but there's a lot of Republicans too.
Why do you think we haven't received, you know, how come we haven't seen all the names?
Why do you think that is?
Good question.
Good question.
My theory, and I did not discuss it with her because when I asked Elaine if there is a client list, she insisted that there is no.
Now, it may be that there is not a list.
You know what I'm saying?
Like she didn't sit and put a list.
But of course, it was a pyramid.
Everybody knew that, right?
I would think that everybody knows somebody.
You know, we are all six degrees of separation.
So if one is starting, if one is being caught, it would already lead to other five or six or seven or whatever.
I think it's scratch my back and I'll scratch yours.
You know, it's like Hollywood before Jeffrey Epstein.
What's his name?
Harvey Weinstein.
I mean, my friend Corey Feldman.
You know, Corey.
He told me everybody knew what was going on, right?
He did.
And Corey was very brave, as I know you appreciate it.
But at the time, you know, he lost jobs and everything.
But everybody knew exactly what was going on online.
on television business the film industry and suddenly oh my gosh we didn't know oh terrible harvey weinstein but i mean harvey was never alone and I know about other people who were there and was there.
And I think it's the same thing, like everybody knew about, I would assume when you go into a house and you see only 15, 16 years old girl, I mean, something is going through your mind, right?
But on the other hand, if you see there, oh, there's another congressman here, there's another senator here, another multimillionaire here.
probably it's okay because they're here probably everything is fine you know so i mean i would assume it's like that look there was a party in 2010 in Jeffrey Epstein's house.
I want to know about the New Mexico Ranch.
That's where they were doing all the...
Yes.
Exactly.
But there was a party in New York.
And there was the party was to the owner of Prince Andrew.
And this was after Jeffrey was in jail, a sort of jail.
Now we know what kind of jail.
And this is, you know, at that time, the popular second son of the queen.
And there were big, big names invited.
Katie Couric, Woody Allen, that's another story, right?
Of course he was there.
Yeah.
But tell me, so you're going to this party and say, so Prince Andrew and I see some television personalities and I see people that I know, probably it's fine.
Why would I have to be the one speaking, right?
So I think that's the mentality.
I still don't understand.
Now Wiza are quiet.
I don't know if they can continue to be quiet, Rosanne and Jake, because it's a bizarre coalition between left-wing and MAGA.
Everybody wants the truth.
People are being, I mean, they have enough.
You'll see what will happen.
I was texting Steve Whitcoff and I, you know, we're talking about Israel and Russia, but I'm texting him.
Well, Steve, after Friday with Putin, it will be back to Epstein and Maxwell.
That's it.
not this is not going away you know that I mean, they're playing it really dumb from Bondi, even Trump.
It's mind-boggingly, how do you say it, mishandled.
There's more than that.
I don't think so.
I think it's moving chess pieces.
What do you think, Daphne?
And then I'll answer you.
Rosan, you and I are friends of Donald.
As you remember, I was about to bring you to Mar-Lago and then you got sick and I got injured.
But we are friends of Donald.
I saw him two, three months ago at the club.
Donald is smart.
I think the problem is that he not necessarily, and I'm talking, you know, we are friends with the family and everything.
of them agree it's not necessarily surrounding himself with the right people and sometimes you have to to have a person who would tell you no this is not true mrs president or i don't agree or this is a mistake or let's do uh let's brainstorm so what's happening right now and it's so ever since she did the client list a a u-turn it ballooned and and and also i don't don't know if you remember but
Pam Bondi there is a video of jeff james o'keefe and i got it actually from a friend of james o'keefe he wanted me to watch it and she's interviewing a nanny for a job right and she's sitting on the lunch with a person that she never met.
You are the Attorney General of the United States of America and she's gossiping happily about Epstein and the list and everything.
And this is like, I mean, I was speechless.
So basically, to have these people and I called a friend of mine and I was very close to Donald Trump and he's talking to them.
I would say daily, if not every two, three days.
And I said, darling, I'm not going to be in D.C. and the Bedminster for five weeks, right?
And I need you to tell him something not to do A, B, C, D, because he doesn't know what's going on.
He doesn't know whatever.
And he has to know what she said at the time.
And he has to not to fall into another trip.
Oh, now the guys are trying.
Now she's saying everything just to please him and now he's falling into it and now they're not releasing.
I said, just let's avoid that.
You know what this person told me?
He said, Daf, I'm staying out of it.
I said, even if you don't want to help him, because I will not be able to say it to him for a few weeks, you know?
And he said, I don't care.
I let Pem Bondi and the DOJ to hang themselves.
More mistakes they do, better for us.
So now you're talking about infighting.
You don't care to protect your own president.
You just care that, oh, let her hang themselves.
Meanwhile, it hurts him.
Because what he said at the time, I'm standing here, you know, if I stand tomorrow at the Fifth Avenue and I shoot somebody, nothing will happen to me.
I have my base.
No, the base is turning against him.
And every day now they try to release the grand jury.
Now I'm asking you, Rozanne and Jake., why on earth would you try to release the grand jury?
I know what's in the grand jury.
And the judge actually said yesterday what I knew.
There is nothing.
You know that you can indict a ham sandwich.
The grand jury is nothing there.
It's just a policeman or a detective saying, a victim is saying so and so and so.
That's the grand jury.
So why are you putting all this?
Okay, now we tried to release that.
it wasn't released but the dad made whether it's a council or whatever, special council.
It will not go away, I can tell you.
And I can tell you that it will affect 2026.
Yeah, no, absolutely.
Yeah, it will affect.
I think he knows what he's doing.
I think he's got it all.
I think he's a showman.
And I think that my opinion is he's making the Democrats beg for it.
And then he's going to go, you want it, you really want it, here you go.
Because he has everything.
And we all know where it leads.
We know every bit of it.
And you know, I think we're going to see arrests.
We're going to see arrests.
One thing we know, One thing we know, it will not lead to him.
may lead to some friends of him, but it will not lead to him because Donald Trump, I know him since I'm 20, as I told you, since'92 or whatever.
And Donald Trump, He might, I think worse come to worse, you can come against him like the Excess Hollywood tape that he did like a lacquer, lacquer room chats.
Maybe he did that with Epstein.
I don't know.
But nothing more.
So at least nothing would lead to Donald Trump.
I think that's what's frustrating to him because really he knows that there is nothing.
And as you said, if he wrote to Birst Dika, who cares?
You're joking.
You and I can make so many jokes.
And at that point, Jeffrey Epstein was a dear friend or like one of the boys.
Why not?
Let's just think about it for a minute.
The Democrats, the FBI, the DOJ, all of them, the State Department, Loretta Lynch, Obama.
Susan Rice, everybody.
They never thought she'd lose, Hillary.
And everything's about protecting Hillary.
It's about protecting the Clintons, and that's why they're playing these games.
And that's why Trump's like, yeah, begged for it.
We got it all.
And we're all going to enjoy it, and then she's going to get arrested.
That's my opinion.
I know she's been arrested.
I used to be a Democrat.
You two.
Donald was a Democrat.
I hosted her at my home in New York.
when I was interviewed with Daily and NBC in 2004.
It was Bill's birthday.
You see, each time Bill's birthday happening, something is happening.
You and John Voight, Amy Winehouse, Hillary Clinton.
And she even sang every birthday for Bill.
And Art Garfinkel was there.
It was a Democrat crowd.
So we were friends.
She even met her doctor through me.
We went to Canyon Ranch together.
And I was very disappointed when we saw her and Bill in 2015.
We went to the initiative, you know, the Clinton Foundation.
First of all, I was very buzzard.
I mean, she was very nice to me and Bill was very nice to me.
But first of all, it buzzard me that we were maybe two out of ten Americans.
The rest was foreign money because everybody knew that she was going to run.
Yeah.
So, and she was already the Secretary of State, right?
So, I mean, it was like people were scorning it away there in the Epstein Foundation set up by Jeffrey Epstein.
And she was taking it internationally with a server in her bathroom that China could hack at will with state department secrets.
That bothers me.
That bothers me.
Privatized state department secrets.
Come on.
She's going to answer for all of it.
And they're trying to say Trump wrote a nasty Trump wrote a sent, you know, come on, we we all know what's going on.
We all know why the Democrats are hiding it.
We know why a lot of Republicans are hiding it too, because they were involved with the Clinton Foundation.
Then where'd that money come from?
USAID, aloe, and all the other NGOs.
It's all going to be transparent as a son of a bitch.
That's what's going to happen.
Well, I don't know if she will be arrested.
I mean, she's not well and she's not young.
I mean, have you seen her recently?
And I don't know if it can go to that.
But it's definitely going to go to that.
that but it's definitely i agree with you that donald trump i i again i don't know what will happen i do agree with you that donald trump likes to shift the focus instead of himself and everything to the clintons and it's an easy one because the relationship were really really really tight and with ghislaine it continued i remember that she told me that she saw him last time,
I think, in a dinner, I mean, not much before she was on sitting with him and Gage as a husband was put like next to the kitchen, you know.
So there was really tight.
And she told me that she was cruising with Chelsea Clinton.
I mean, I don't cruise with people who are not close to me, you know.
So the relationship was really, really tight.
And in my tape, she's talking about Bill Clinton.
I'm telling you, like a 16-year-old in love girl.
I mean, it wasn't.
Now, again, she did not change the tone.
She said they were very close, which is contradicting was that was my big scoop in the daily mail a few days ago that it's contradicting what Bill Clinton said, but it was the same thing she told me.
The tone is disappointed.
And if she's upset and disappointed and she's sitting on all this information, don't forget they were still, even I don't know if I will probably have to release more of my interviews, although I felt we did so much.
But there will be subpoena to the Congress committee, right?
She said she wants to wait until the appeal.
I wish her, well, I don't want to take the sentence from Trump, but I really see think it's time to give her some, you know, definitely easier jail or commuting.
I could not pardon such thing, but you could do public commuting or something like that.
Well, you know what they say?
You know, a caged bird sings.
Yeah.
And I think he's got all the leverage on her.
And I think she's got all the leverage in the world.
And we'll see what happens, right?
We'll stay on top of that.
That's what I'm saying.
So they're just that you know that she's right now say she can't because of the Supreme Court, but you know the statistics of Z. Most of the Supreme Court people who go to the Supreme Court, most of them are not being heard by the Supreme Court.
Only a very, very small percentage is being accepted by the Supreme Court.
So again, I don't want to sound like Donald Trump.
I wish her well, because I do.
I mean, I think everybody should have a chance to appeal and appeal and appeal.
But it's only highly unlikely that it would be taken by the Supreme Court.
So soon enough, you and I and Jake probably will have another one after her Congress hearing, because then she cannot say, I don't want to talk because there's no legal...
Yeah.
You understand?
And that would be interesting.
But I'm telling you one thing, my prediction, 2026, Not good for the Republicans.
They did him dirty and he loves, loves, loves to get even, especially when he has the law on his side.
Yeah.
Right.
And now he does because before, I was just joking when people asked me about his trials when I'm traveling overseas.
I said, you know, my late friend Benazir Bhutto was like my big sister and she was the Prime Minister of Pakistan used to be joking, Daphne, either I'm a Prime Minister or my husband is in jail.
I said, we're becoming like Pakistan.
I mean, either he's a President or there are like six lawsuits against him.
So it's becoming crazy.
I totally agree.
Daphne, there's two main theories of why it's being covered up.
One is that the intelligence community is so deeply invested in Epstein that it's national security risk.
And that includes the Mossad, MI6, CIA, and there's no way Trump can release that because it's a threat to national security.
To me, that's the most plausible.
The other one is that Trump, And those are the two kind of rock and hard places within.
To me, if it's one of those two, it won't matter to the American people.
If you're covering up for intelligence agencies that were chantailing and having sex with underage girls, we're not going to accept it.
There's no excuse for using children.
I agree.
So if it is that, if Trump's listening, if it's you're covering for the Mossad or MI6, don't let it out.
We'll deal with the fallout because that is not acceptable to any American.
He's going to make sure he sees that.
Don't forget.
I already know how to deal with it.
Your boy Jake coming at you.
I know.
I think Trump's smarter than everybody in the world and he wants to wrap it up nicely and tight.
before the elections and he will.
Okay.
I pray for him because he's doing some great things.
I mean, even the peace right now between Armenia and Azerbaijan, I mean, unbelievable.
Cambodia and this, this is just by the way, I mean, the tariffs short term are very problematic, but long term it has to be balanced.
So he's doing great things and this whole Epstein and Maxwell thing cloud above us is crazy.
So I do hope so.
I definitely he's my friend., he's my president.
I'm with you.
I'm just saying that some people around him got him into this position.
When you come back, well, next time you'll come back and we'll discuss further how Trump is fighting the whole centralized banks that Epstein worked for.
And that will be my answer.
I would need my husband too, right?
You know that.
Yeah, I would need Bill too, because he knows about that.
Let's have that discussion too next time.
I love that you were on my show.
and it was so fabulous to talk to.
You're so much, you're so tough.
I mean, a couple of your questions are so on the money.
And as an interviewer, I know when I recognize a good question.
So I have to flatter you back.
And next time we're doing it face to face.
Yeah.
Yeah, I would love that.
And then we'll go back and have sushi and drink too much.
Absolutely.
And Jake and Jake would drive.
And Jake would drive.
I am the designated drunk driver always.
I'm going to send you, by the way, Jake, a bill will send you a clean two minutes when she's tal talking about Donald, okay?
Yeah, I just want to say before you go real quick, for those cases that got lost in the shuffle, we covered so many things today.
What you're saying is some of the media pressure is that she's going to start turning against the Clintons and helping Trump because she wants a pardon.
So anything she does to help Trump is leverage.
You're saying you already have those interviews because you had unprecedented access.
She's the only person who interviewed her.
And you already have the digital assets that show that she hasn't changed her story.
So that blows their argument out of the water.
That's I just wanted to reiterate.
That's the big scope.
That's a great wrap up., son.
Oh my god.
I'm so proud of my son, Daphne.
You know, we love you, son.
I mean, and now we're going to see the Grand Kings.
Now we're going to see the Grand Kings.
Right?
We are.
Yeah, we'll see you soon.
Okay, well, thank you very much.
Oh, you see, my patience is growing thin.
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