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Aug. 15, 2025 - The Roseanne Barr Podcast
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“Ghislaine’s Trump Card” w/ Daphne Barak | The Roseanne Barr Podcast #111
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Welcome to the Roseanne Barr Podcast.
Oh, you see, my patience is growing thin.
Oh boy, have we got a bubba banger of a show?
You know how I love to talk to geniuses.
I've got a real OG woman genius on with me today.
She has an incredible history of stuff that she's done.
She is an international interviewer and media producer.
She has a great library of interviews she's done with like Michael Jackson, Liza Minelli and her sister, a documentary about Amy Winehouse, Barack Obama's grandmother, and a whole bunch of other things.
She's an international journalist.
It's been on 20 minutes and she's, I mean, 60 minutes and all kinds of people from over the world.
And a personal friend of mine.
So we're welcoming Daphne Barack.
Hi, Daphne.
Hi, Roseanne, and hi, Jake.
And I'm so happy to be here with you guys.
I mean, we are old friends.
It's time we reconnect.
Yeah.
Well, you've got a, you know, I'm so excited to talk to you because I know you're a you're a jet setter kind of gal and you've been in you've been in uh journalism for how many years have you been a journalist since uh rupert murdoch brought me to be the interviewer of fox when i was 21 uh and uh that wasn't yesterday so basically that was around 91 92.
So, wow, it's a long time.
And didn't you work with Rupert Murdoch?
Rupert Murdoch is the one who brought me from Israel to become the first interviewer of Fox Network.
It was not Fox News, it was Fox Network.
We were a bunch of stations, and that's when Bill and Hillary and Alan Tipper ran against Bush Senior, and I came with a brilliant idea that we have to call ourselves the Fox Network because we are the youngest.
And still, so I was the first one who did the interviews, not only for Channel 5 New York, Channel, you know, Boston, LA, but for everybody.
And they were still FedExing my tapes to one another.
There was nothing like, you know, like Zooms and stuff like that.
So it was quite interesting.
So, yeah, and I signed at the same time, funny enough, because we're going to talk about it, with Robert Maxwell.
Yeah, I wanted to ask that next.
And he was the owner of the New York Daily News, which at the time, Rosanne and Jake, was the biggest paper in New York.
New York Post was number two.
So I invented, without even thinking about, the first-time promos between television and prints.
So the Daily News would say, watch Fox tonight, and Fox would say, as you're ready in the Daily News.
I was like a meta-or.
I never thought my career would become nationwide and international.
And then one day, I demanded a raise at the New York Daily News.
I said, I'm the star on, you know, double money.
And the editor-in-chief, I remember his name, Jim Wilsey, said, Daphne, yes, you're the star.
I'm going to speak to Mr. Maxwell.
I'm going to approve it.
Don't worry.
We are not even going to pay you that month, so we can take it at proactive, right?
And I was so happy.
I was celebrating.
And I remember that I was at the Regency Hotel in New York, and I faxed my, I told him what I wanted, and I faxed it in writing.
And, I mean, he told me everything would be fine, because, of course, Maxwell will approve it.
And nobody's calling me, nobody's faxing me back.
So I called the, I remember the name, Denise, the secretary of Jim Wilsey, and I said, Denise, did you get my fax?
And she said, Daphne, are you watching CNN?
And I said, why?
Why does it matter?
I'm talking about my contacts.
She said, Robert Maxwell is brilliant.
body was found floating i mean your contact is not really the issue right now so the daily news went for chapter 11 and i lost two months and then of course they got my salary up double so robert officially when i talked to his widow betty maxwell and ghillain maxwell I told him, well, your father owed me money.
Well, I was going to say that real quick.
When you talk about Maxwell, people don't know.
We're talking about Ghillene's father.
Well, he owes money to many people, Jake.
As you know, we changed the law in the UK because of him, because they found out he wasn't a billionaire towards the end.
He stole hundreds of millions of pension money from hardworking people that could never retrieve it.
So, yeah, didn't end very nicely.
You know, okay, getting into it.
Yeah, it's tough to get into.
Didn't they use Jeffrey Epstein to change all those laws to help him steal all that money?
Those people were.
I don't know, Rosanne, when he met Jeffrey Epstein.
I met Ghillaine and her mother, Betty, exactly a year after he killed himself or he was murdered or whatever happened or he fell.
And at that point, we decided to do the first anniversary interview with his widow.
Ghillaine was not the big deal.
Betty Maxwell was a big deal.
She haven't talked.
And of course, you know, everything went to foreclosure.
They took their money.
It was a disgrace.
So they became from, you know, what a fall from Grace.
And I imagine that Ghillaine probably met Jeffrey Epstein around that time or a bit before when I put the effects together.
We flew Betty Maxwell from London after the first interview.
It took me a lot to convince her because Rupert Murdoch and Robert Maxwell were rivals and to tell her what you do with the first interview to Fox, which belongs to Robert Murdoch, was not really easy.
And I remember that Fox, we didn't have much money, right?
So the budget, she was really upset that we didn't fly her first class virgin.
I said, no, it's like best business.
No, no, no, it's economic fast.
She almost didn't make the flight.
So I said, don't worry, we're going to pumper you in New York.
You'll be in a royal suite.
And we didn't have a budget.
You know, Fox budget, right?
So I went to Donald Trump, who owned the time he owned the plaza.
And I said, Mr. Trump, you know, we will put you on the 10 o'clock news.
We'll put, we'll promote you.
And I mean, because the beginning I said, would you do me a favor?
I mean, she's a widow.
She doesn't have anything.
Could we put her in the hotel for free?
And would you also upgrade her to the presidential suite?
I mean, on top of it.
I hear about Donald.
He said, what's there for me?
I said, well, we will give you, we'll put the plaza at the footage and we will promote you two days in a row at the 10 o'clock news.
And of course, he agreed because it was a great promotion.
And that's why until today, when you see the early interview with Ghillaine Maxwell, which was actually with her mother, before the big interview I did 30 years ago, 30 years later in jail, you see Betty Maxwell and Ghillaine going, you know, you have the bureau, they're going on the stairs towards the plaza at the Fifth Avenue.
That was part of the promotion, right?
It was very important not to miss it.
And now Ghillaine, everybody said Daphne did the only Ghillain interview ever.
Now, of course, in jail four years later.
But funny, and people offered me, when Ghillaine was arrested, people offered me like, I don't know, $30,000 for 30 seconds of this interview.
I mean, crazy money.
But Ghillaine Maxwell was not the interview.
We flew Betty and then Betty said to me when I took her for dinner, I said, well, Ghillaine, my daughter lives in New York.
Can she come for dinner?
And I said, sure, what do you mean?
She came to dinner and she said, would Ghelaine be part of the interview?
So I called the vice president of Fox News and I said, well, you know, what do you think?
I mean, the yacht is on her name.
Why won't we include her?
And he told me, well, she doesn't cost us money, right?
I said, no, no, she lives here.
Okay, so let's do it.
So the interview was not Betty, not Ghelane.
It was Betty.
29 years later, it was Saddam.
Oh, the early interview with Ghillaine Maxwell.
Now, back to your question, I suspect, Rosanne, that that's the time sort of that she met Jeffrey Epstein because she didn't have anything, you know, and she lived at the time in a very small studio.
I remember it was 66 or Medicine, something not far away from Fox, because after the interview, I went with the tapes instead of messengering.
I was very snoopy.
I wanted to see where she lived.
So I went and delivered it.
So it's a very fancy address, but it was a very small studio.
And I suspect she said to me at the interview that a friend gave it to her.
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Putting one in one together, it was probably Jeffrey Epstein.
So that's the idea.
And from then, she wrote very quickly.
She said in my first interview that it was very important for her to make money because she wanted to help her mother.
And she was very sweet at that time.
And it was really important for her not to bedmouse her father, which she was very close to, but said he also did good things, not only bad things, but also to say, yes, I'm working on projects to make money.
That's my goal right now because I need to help my mother.
So if you put one in one together, we're looking at November 92.
And when I met her second time in 95, I did an interview with Hello, and then I didn't see her for years.
She was already with Jeffrey Epstein.
And I remember that a close friend of Leslie Rexner, the owner of Victoria's Secret and mine told me, since you're going to see Ghelaine, would you give her an advice that Jeffrey Epstein is never going to marry her?
She's not going to be Mrs. Epstein.
I mean, he loves younger girls.
At that point, it was not in Jake.
I didn't know young girls, what it means.
I mean, it could be weirdo.
You're thinking 20s.
Yeah, exactly.
25 years the limit, right?
And I remember I said to Ghelain, Ghelaine, that's the message.
And she hated it.
She said, no, it's not true.
It's like she really didn't want to hear it.
She was working on being Mrs. Epstein.
And maybe she was in love with him.
She was in love with the lifestyle, like the combination of hair contacts with her and with his endless money.
But she really didn't want to hear about Epstein not marrying her.
You're like right in the pocket.
Well, so, so, I mean, okay, so he grooms her into getting girls for him.
Yeah, and then that's what these camps do.
They'll groom their, quote, bottom woman into bringing them.
And that's why I think she really fell into it, Rosanne.
When I interviewed her famously, the only interview she gave since she was arrested, four interviews, not two, because we released only two, because it made so many headlines.
We didn't need, we can still sit on two, right?
And she said, I just regret the moment I met him.
I just kept, she kept saying it.
She answered all the questions.
I will get to that soon.
But there was one question she didn't answer, Jake and Rosanne.
And you understand why I'm saying it to you right now.
I said to her, okay, you said three, four times that you regret the moment you met Jeffrey Epstein.
She said, yes.
Very exclamation.
So I said, in that case, Ghelane, and it's recorded, of course, you know that.
In that case, Elaine, when did you reach this conclusion that you regret this moment?
So that means you know what I'm saying.
Like, when did you understand what are you doing or what he's doing?
And you are an accomplice.
This, she jumped.
She didn't want to answer.
She said, you know, I'm facing an appeal.
I'll answer you after the appeal and everything.
And legally, she's right, you know, if you're like, but that's the question.
I mean, maybe at the beginning, she didn't really understand what she was doing.
Maybe one time introduced me.
But then it became a job.
After he was convicted, what was that, 2008, the first time?
He was indicted in 2006, yeah, 2006, and he convicted 2008, yeah.
Yeah, but she still hung around with him after he was convicted.
That's another question.
The same question you're asking Prince Andrew, why did you go to his house in 2010, right?
I think she tried to move.
I know she tried to move with her life.
It's difficult to move from so much money, right?
And so much lifestyle.
And this life she found out held her back.
She could not escape her destiny.
People maybe don't know, but they know that she moved to live with Ted Wade.
He's a very rich guy from San Diego.
That's the guy that Bill Clinton distanced himself and said, no, no, we did not invite Ghelane Maxwell to Chelsea's wedding.
She was plus one of Ted Wade.
But that's not true.
Bill Clinton has been very close to Ghelane almost until she was arrested.
So basically, she did move.
She was madly in love with Ted Wade.
She really wanted to become Mrs. Ted Wade.
She became very close to his children.
And then one day he received extortion from somebody who knew about her past and wanted money from Ted Waids.
And he did the right thing, I understand.
Reportedly, he called the FBI and he did not pay.
But this seized and deceased his relationship with Ghelane.
He knew he could not move forward.
And actually, she's, I understand, she's very hurt because she wanted him to testify or at least give the position in her trial that she couldn't do certain things at one point because he knew she couldn't if she was with him or anything.
He refused to do anything with it.
So, I mean, she was really, really hurt.
So, she couldn't really move away.
And as you know, 2016, Virginia Juffrey, by the way, Virginia Juffrey talked only with me before she died.
And funny enough, because she knew that I'm the one who interviewed Ghelane.
She knew that Sarah Ferguson, the Duchess of York, is a close friend of mine.
She's the one who saved me for cancer.
And she's trusted me.
And I actually respect that.
And so Virginia Juffrey sued Ghelaine in 2016.
There was a settlement.
It kept coming.
She could not run away from that.
And of course, 2000, and then when she married the guy, Scott, who was much younger from her, the whole idea, the marriage, I mean, she was madly in love because this is a type of fall in love, falling in love.
And in her imagination, the man is what she wants the man to be.
But then she, the whole idea was that she put all her money on a trust that he controlled.
Then it backfired.
She had to beg for me money for the appeal because she didn't want all the lawsuits to come and take her money.
So the money, babe, can you take the dog?
Babe, can you take the dog?
Hillary Clinton's at your back door.
Dogs.
We are with Rosanna.
She hates dogs.
I know you love it.
Yeah.
Okay.
So basically, she really wanted to move on, but I just think it kept.
On one end, there was a lot of money, but I think it kept, it's like what they say, you know, when you join the mafia, but you never know how you can check out.
Yeah.
they're not going to put out um uh I'm curious about her.
I'm curious about the whole thing, how deeply Prince Andrew and the whole royal family is involved with the whole thing, because they could have never gotten an island and control of the world economy, which they did have.
Jeffrey Epstein changed a whole bunch of laws that destroyed the sovereignty of nations.
I mean, he was being used by people at the tippity-tippity talk.
And I'm just always interested in the Prince Andrew royal part of it, you know.
It's a good question, Rosanna, because Andrew, as I said, Sarah is a very close friend of Bill and I. And it's not really what people think about Andrew and Sarah.
She's more loyal than it's not a love story anymore.
And she's been paying a big, big price for standing by him or even just living there.
But Andrew was the favorite son of the queen.
We all know that.
You know, it's not an exclusive knowledge.
I know King Charles and Camilla well.
Camila's younger sister, Annabel, is a good friend of mine.
Of course, Sarah is a good friend of mine.
But Andrew was always the sweetheart, right?
He could do no wrong until Epstein came, and that was too much.
So basically, Jeffrey was actually very smart to befriend Andrew because, I mean, nobody blamed him.
He was good looking at the time and a hero, sort of, but nobody blamed Andrew for being too smart, right?
So, I mean, Jeffrey Epstein probably manipulated him, whatever.
And I mean, I almost fell from my chair like I'm sitting right now when I interviewed Gillette.
When can you take that?
When I, one of my four interviews, I asked her about Clinton, Donald Trump, which I'll have an exclusive for you, Andrew.
And she started to speak so highly about Andrew.
Okay.
And then she said, and he's so well read that this.
I dropped him.
What did you say now?
She told me this yesterday.
I mean, so Andrew being positioned as the second son after King Charles, the favorite of the queen, and he will do anything to please Jeffrey.
And of course, Jeffrey was not an exclusive bad guy next to Andrew.
Andrew was hanging with Qaddafi-san, with dictators from Kazakhstan and whatever.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Somebody bought his house for three million pounds more than it's worth.
It doesn't happen to you and I, Rosanne, right?
Does it happen to you?
So, I mean, it was really brilliant for Jeffrey to do that.
And Andrew also had a role of an ambassador representative for the trade and commerce of England.
So he had a lot of power in the heydays to go and change rules.
So you're actually on something, absolutely.
You have to maybe check in these years how many rules changed.
And where was it?
I go down that rabbit hole.
And yeah, it was a lot of just a voicing operation, Moving money to the top from the bottom.
Can I say something real quick?
I've heard theories that Epstein, you know, obviously.
I mean, from the bottom to the top, excuse me.
Moving money, public money, from the people and putting it all in private pockets.
There's talk that he wasn't just doing.
Paybook for his father, no?
Huh?
That's from the playbook of Ghillaine's father, no?
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
So you think the brains of the whole thing?
I mean, that guy was really smart, Maxwell.
Robert?
Robert Maxwell was smart until he was caught, but it took a lot of years until he was caught.
And he was moving money from here, from there, from there.
I mean, he bought the Daily News for $1, and everybody was kissing his ass, right?
I mean, for months, when I came to New York, meeting him with Mr. Maxwell was like, are you kidding me?
So he was really smart.
But Jeffrey Epstein had some, I've never met Jeffrey Epstein.
I said, I was very lucky not to, although we moved in some same circles like Clinton and Trump and everything.
My ex-boyfriend at the time, who was double my age, he was Republican, I was Democrat, was actually Leslie Wexler's best friend and they were the richest guy in Columbus, Ohio.
And he just disliked Jeffrey Epstein without even knowing why.
And he used to tell him, why are you letting this nobody handle all your money, right?
And so it never happened that I met Epstein because Gordy didn't want us to meet.
And then Gordy is the one who sent me to talk to Ghillain.
He will never met, he will never marry you.
And then when Epstein was indicted, Gordy called Abigail, Leslie Wexner's wife, and he said, look, if he continues to talk to Epstein, I severe all contacts.
And I heard that he continued to talk to Epstein.
So Epstein probably had something with Wexner, which the owner of Victoria's Secret.
That's why he gave him all this money and everything.
But what I conclude, and I heard, and you will conclude the same, he wouldn't be able to befriend people like Clinton or even Trump at the time or anybody.
Just, I mean, Ellen Derciby stormed, he was all over him, right?
If he wasn't charming, he had, he probably had a charm that he could put on and off and woo people beside money because it couldn't be only money.
Yeah.
Well, you know, sociopaths have great charm.
That's how they what they do.
The most charming.
And probably that's how you would Ghillain because Ghelane is my issue with Ghelane is that she is coming from the best education money can buy.
Even if I play you one minute from her interviews with me in jail, the very British accent, you know, and they and she articulates herself very well, right?
So what I say, for Hera to fall into such a trap, even if you need money, you and I and everybody needed money.
I'm a self-made girl.
I mean, I was tempted at the beginning of my career to do the wrong decision, and I wouldn't be here if I did, right?
So, but for her to fall into such a trap, it must have been more than money only.
It must have been at the beginning fun, charm.
She really believed she was madly in love with him.
Well, that's how blackmail works is you're like, I can't get out or I get killed and exposed.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then she couldn't get out.
And then she started to pay dearly.
And now, I guess she told me, you remember when we met, I was in this small studio.
I mean, there was maybe I couldn't even, I couldn't even stretch a leg.
Ah, but I had my freedom.
I could walk in and out.
Today I would pay anything to have it back, right?
And ever since Rosanna and Jake, she had all these mentions that she lived in and flew private jets and the yachts and everything.
So it's very interesting.
The one thing that got me is how bad her judgment about men.
I mean, she had $15 million in the bank when the whole, when Epstein killed Himself or was murdered, she thinks he was murdered, right?
I want to know what you think.
I think he's still alive, I think they murdered him.
You think so?
And he's probably somewhere watching us and say, Wow, Rosanna is smart.
How did you, how did you find that?
He's uh in the witness protection program, probably, probably, but yeah, that the idea is that he would never talk, right?
Uh, but plenty, what's happening?
The funny thing is, it's all coming down, isn't it?
Well, Gheline believed that as you remember, there was this one year that everybody says, Look for Waldo, where is Delaine?
Where is Glade, right?
After he was after he was murdered, or he's alive, or he was killed.
And she believed at the beginning, as long as he was alive, that she's protected because she can be a key witness against him.
And that was the conversation between her lawyer and the authorities.
But then, wouldn't you and I, when he's dead, I have 15 million dollars in the bank, I know I will be the next, you know, the next agenda.
Wouldn't you just take a private jet and go?
I mean, she's a French citizen, they would never be able to indict her from a French uh territory.
She could have been going to Tahiti, a beautiful French territory, right?
Not even to Paris.
No, because of the man that she was convincing that she was in love with, she stayed, she was like a lunatic going every three, four days to another place.
I interviewed the man who was the head of security, who was moving her to one place to another.
And I mean, there was not life until they decided that she could not move anymore.
And they got her this house that, of course, then she.
I remember when she said she's eating at McDonald's or I'm in and out.
It was in and out.
What a burger, whatever.
It was in and out.
In and out, in and out.
Trust me, Ghelane Maxwell does not eat in InN Out.
It was a fake image.
But can I just ask you a question real quick?
It will be her father.
I'm sorry, can you hear me?
Wasn't her father, Maxwell?
Wasn't he tied to Mossad or a member of Mossad?
I just wanted to ask you about that because you're Israeli.
Yeah, there's obviously a Mossad play.
Paint the whole picture.
He died.
First of all, I don't know who is working for the Mossad.
They don't give me an employee list, right?
So, uh, uh, but you believe he was working with MI6, though, do you?
Yeah, also, they say so.
When he died, they said it has to do with Mossad and everything, right?
I don't understand a logical reason why Mossad would kill him because he was probably he was giving the, if he was indeed working for the Mossad, he was giving the goods why to kill him, right?
Uh, also, I think, uh, I mean, Mossad usually gets look what they did right now in Iran.
Amazing people to kill people at this at the second they walk into a room.
I mean, it has to be the best intelligent toilet.
That's what I love.
Art pagers.
Yes, my God.
Yeah, I mean, I would love to meet, I would just love to think and guess how high up the Mossad people are in Iran because just incredible from the head of Hamas, tilling the head of the Hamas, killing their people.
Just it's incredible.
But usually, Mossad would be very, very careful not to spy in friendly territories like America or UK.
That's really a big mistake.
Especially, you and I would feel that MI6 or CIA would know about it.
So, I don't know.
I mean, who knows?
Look, he was traveling his birthday, Robert Maxwell's birthday, 70th or something, was very lavish in Morocco.
Maybe he was the spy in Morocco, maybe he was spying in other territories.
I would doubt that he would do it in America or England.
And I would doubt that Mossad would need him in friendly countries because they exchange intelligence, right?
Yeah, well, that's what I think it was: shared intelligence between the three intelligence agencies.
Well, bye-byes, but you must have owed too much money, is how I can figure it out because They always kill you if you owe too much money.
Yeah, when you owe too much, it's a well, it depends how you see it.
Because you see, when I first met Donald Trump, I actually did the first interview with Ivana when she was getting engaged to the Italian.
What his name was Ricardo Mazzucchelli.
And Donald said, Why are you doing all the big scopes?
And what about me?
And I said, Well, Mr. Trump, you're giving interviews to anybody.
No, no, I'll give you a scope.
So, I, when I did the interview, and by the way, he at the time, I have to send you the footage, 92.
He said, Okay, you do the interview, I'll direct it.
So, he directed the footage.
He didn't trust me, I guess.
We have me with a red suit and him at the escalator going down, and people are looking exactly what he did with Melania in 2002.
So, he had been thinking about this scene for a while, and it was so good that he was actually opening the 10 o'clock news at Channel 5.
But when I met Donald, we used to call him the comeback kid.
You remember, he had the bankruptcies in Atlantic City and everything.
And what they explained to me is that they didn't let him fall down because he owed so much money that they needed him to bounce back because to let him fall down would cost a lot to the banks.
So, I don't know how it worked with Robert Maxwell.
So, I'm not an expert in the economy, but I mean, there would be many ways to look at it.
But, look, regarding Mossad, there are also speculations that Jeffrey Epstein was working for the Mossad, right?
Yeah, pretty strong ones.
Well, I think he was obviously working for everybody that needs to blackmail other people to stay where they are.
And that's everybody, right?
Everybody at the top.
It all works on blackmail, you know that, right?
There's nothing that comes of like good intentions or good results.
They all got the goods on each other, and they're afraid of each other, too.
And laundry, hungry, yeah.
And I always tell my friends, don't befriend new friends who have less to lose than you do.
Oh, God, that's good.
Right?
To have more to lose.
No, you must tell me back years ago.
Yeah, that's rule number one, right?
So you know that.
But I mean, but Jeffrey, it's very interesting because, I mean, look, it can be because of Maxwell, which we don't know if Maxwell knew Epstein.
I'm just thinking the problem that met they met around that time because she said a new friend is financing, they gave her the apartment.
But because there are rumors about Maxwell, and he was definitely Jewish and very connected to the state of Israel.
And then, of course, Epstein was Jewish.
And then as photos of Eud Barak, I was going to ask you, I asked you before, are you any relation to him?
No, I mean, Barack in Israel is like John's in the bar.
Are you related to Attorney General Barr?
No, I mean, no, yeah, exactly.
It's idiotic, right?
It's just because I am very known and he, I have nothing to do.
And I scored the big interview.
First of all, I scored the big interviews with the family of Ghilane.
We did Susan Zarinski, the president of CBS News at the time.
Right now, she's a top top president of CBS to my close friend.
And I did a series called Ghillain Partner in Crime, right?
It was the fourth series.
It's right now in Parmal class.
And at the beginning, before Ghilaine, we did the first interviews with her family, her brothers, her sister.
It was a huge series.
So we had both sides of the aisle, of course, the victims and everything.
So when they saw this big exclusive, I never look at social media.
You know, I'm sure you don't either.
I mean, it's like I call it the toilet of the internet.
I agree with Lady Gaga.
But they said, of course, she scored it because she's a cousin of Eud Barak, and he's he went the whole way nine yards.
So, no, that's uh, but I'm just saying, they put all this thing one plus one plus one and it becoming seven.
So, Eud Barack had his own relationship with Epstein, like many other people, and Mossad and everything.
And they, of course, the whole Israel and Maxwell is buried in Israel, Which is another funny thing because when he died before the whole dirt came, it was, oh my God, what a tragedy.
Michel Robert Maxwell died, right?
So Israel said, oh, let's, of course, come and bury him in the Mountain of Olives.
They gave him the most prestigious guy.
If the message is coming tomorrow, Robert Max will be the first to go out, right?
And then a day later, and everybody said, I knew him.
I'm a distant cousin.
It was really funny.
Two days later, Sally also dared that he was actually broke and he stole the pension.
And so everybody, no, no, no.
Nobody knew how his body somehow came to Israel.
It's really bizarre, right?
So, I mean, idea, but I want to tell you something, Jaygan Hussain, about something which is going on right now.
And that occupies all the headlines.
So we'll give you the scope.
Yes, please.
My friend.
So, as you know, Deputy Attorney General questioned Elaine Maxwell for nine hours two weeks ago.
We knew my husband and I, Bill and I knew about this questioning head because somebody very close was having lunch with us before and was making the arrangement for to travel to Tallahassee, right?
But of course, we didn't talk about it.
Of course, three days later, one morning, I see Pem Bondi putting a statement out that there would be such a meeting.
That's the same poem Pembondi who said, my client list is on my desk, and then there was no client list.
So I don't know what made her do that.
I don't know what made her announce this meeting because right now she put all the media was traveling to Tallahassee.
It was supposed to be discreet.
They couldn't even do it in the jail because they didn't do homework.
The jail in Tallahassee didn't have a desk big enough for seven people.
And I said, like, well, can they join two desks?
No, because the desks are glued to the floor.
And so are the chairs.
I guess there would be no violence.
So they could not.
They had, because of the media, they had to suddenly start moving it to the courthouse and all that.
So now everybody was, of course, bringing conspiracy theories.
Of course, Pembondi put Trump in a very impossible situation.
Both the left wing and MAGA are against him.
Why are you not revealing, releasing the information you said you will, right?
Even people from inside like Heshbatal are very uncomfortable with this, right?
And on the other hand, everybody says, of course, Elaine would say to the Deputy Attorney General, whatever Donald Trump wants to hear, because she wants pardon.
So I know some of what she said in these nine hours, but there is no way she could just go and change the story or change the narrative because it was not the first questioning.
My interviews, everybody knows, was the first questioning, but it wasn't only the 20 minutes that everybody was talking that you saw on TV.
And the first one, the jail, after Susan Zarinski and I pushed so much, invited me to an invitation you cannot refuse to go to MDC in Brooklyn, the worst, worst fail ever, where PDD is held right now, to see her.
But I'm a television interviewer, and they didn't want a television interview, so they gave me only a notepad and a pen.
So that's it.
But there were two interviews in the middle because Susan Zarinski and I were insisting to get a television interview and they couldn't say to us no.
So tomorrow, tomorrow, not now, not now.
So I refused to go to Tallahassee a second time.
And I said, well, I don't feel well and I don't want to go all the way.
Let me do it on the phone.
And that's how I said where I'm here.
And we have my crew videotaping it, but it was audio only.
But they allowed me, they felt bad, so they allowed me to do 80 minutes.
So that was real questioning.
And then we asked again, Susan and I. And then again, they said, no, it has to be on the phone or in person.
So we didn't ask.
So 160 minutes right now.
And then we had enough.
We understand in the Biden administration, I was calling the head of BOP, Bureau of Prison, The Attorney General, Deputy Attorney General.
I mean, we understood they're not going to let us interview Elaine on television.
And her brother told us that he has the first video phoner with her.
Susan and I and Bill and our team just flew to London in one second.
And instead of her brother talking to her, it was me, right?
And so that was a television interview, but we had 160 minutes.
So there is a way to see if she lied in order to win an appeal or not.
And I tell you what, among what she was asked by the Deputy Attorney General, was of course about Clinton, which I'll tell you what she said.
And also about the birthday card, the big $10 billion blossom of Donald Trump against Rupert Murdoch about the Wall Street Journal by all staff.
And I'll tell you what she said about both.
But it will be very difficult for her to change a story about Clinton or Trump or anybody, which is important, even Andrew, because she was questioned by me 160 minutes.
And people know that the other two interviews not released yet.
So it's very, very obvious that you can just check if you can.
My experience with her was that she was consistent.
The four interviews were in a span of maybe 50, 60 months.
So she did not change the story.
So she was consistent.
Only seeing is a difference is that she was so positive about Bill Clinton.
I mean, she really had maintained friendship with him until maybe a year before she was arrested, before she disappeared.
That was even not only Epstein, she had a personal relationship with Bill Clinton.
And then basically, when the Deputy Attorney General asked her, she said, Bill Clinton distanced himself.
She said he was just with Jeffrey Epstein because he was a philanthropist and he gave $10 million to a university, whatever.
No, they were very close friends.
Epstein set up the Clinton Foundation.
This I didn't know, but that makes a lot of sense because he was smart.
But basically, Ghelane did say to the Deputy Attorney General, to Todd Blanche that Clinton was close to her, very close to her.
The only thing I understand, her tone changed from the tone she spoke to me.
With me, she was really, she was like a 16-year-old girl in love.
You know, she really loved Bill Clinton.
With them, she said they were very close.
She kept the narrative, but the tone was very unfriendly.
She was very, very disappointed for how they distanced themselves from her because it was really, really close.
Now, the birthday card, right?
2003.
So she was asked about it.
And Wall Street Journal does not have the birthday card.
They have a fifth or sixth generation of the birthday card.
But definitely there is a birthday card.
Now, the $10 billion question is whether Trump painted this postcard and whether he really wrote that, right?
And that there's only one person who can answer.
Ghelaine was asked, and she basically said she needs to see the card and then she would answer.
So, A, it's true, it was 20 years.
I mean, how can she remember, right?
And with all the torture, she's been in jail, she probably lost some of her memory.
But secondly, she might have been playing smart.
Well, I'm not giving you all the information right now.
First of all, get me out of here, right?
And they did get her to another prison with much.
She's in Texas now.
Next to you, darling.
You can always.
I visited this day.
I visited this jail.
Not that I'm waking up every morning brushing my teeth and going to visit jails, right?
I'm not King Kardashian.
But we are working on it.
We are working on the first interview with Elizabeth Holmes, Serrano.
And Bill and I, I had my cancer charity gala March 2nd or something.
And then a week later, we went with Billie Evans, her partner and the father of his very cute children, to see Liz Holmes.
And I have to say, after being at MDC, this is a cushy jail.
I mean, if to be in jail, this is a jail you want to be.
I mean, it has green grasses.
I mean, her life definitely improved.
It has green grass and you can see the children.
I mean, we were spending with Liz like four or five hours.
It's very friendly.
You have Lego, you have everything.
You have vendor machines.
Now, Liz told us that she cannot, she's not allowed to be there only in the weekends on their visitation.
But still, she was very fit.
She's exercising every day.
It's a big upgrade from Tallahassee.
So she did.
She must think she's got some cards to play.
Absolutely.
Even the birthday card.
Look, Donald Trump is suing Rupert Murdoch for $10 billion.
These are big two Titans, right?
Wall Street Journal felt very secure to run the story because they did have a not the card itself, but it's third, fourth, fifth generation of the card.
We're currently as hell.
The Wall Street Journal is a joke.
Yeah, well, but I'm just saying right now about Ghelain, she's sitting between two titans with a lot to lose and a lot to gain.
And it's not only the $10 billion.
You know, there will not be $10 billion.
There will be settlement or whatever down the road.
But it's right now who will give up first.
And she's the only one who can wait in.
Because what if she says, well, yeah, of course there was a card.
There's a card, right?
But I told Donald, look, I wrote so-and-so.
I painted so-and-so, what you just signed.
So that's a different story, right?
She can say whatever she wants.
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So she said she could not say anything until she sees the card.
The card is allegedly with the estate.
So either Donald Trump or Rupert Murdoch have to subpoena the estate for the card.
I'm assuming Donald Trump would not do that.
Why would he?
So it will be up to Rupert Murdoch, right?
But even then, she is the only live witness can say, well, yeah, this is a card.
But you know what?
I wrote the content.
I, you know, as a powerful and career woman, I was, I was telling people, would you write this?
Would you write this?
Whatever, right?
So that would change the narrative.
So she's sitting in a powerful position.
And also because as a donation, oh, definitely.
First of all, she, as much as it, as much as it depends on her, she's very upset about the Clinton.
I wonder why, because when I interviewed her in one of the, I think the second or third interview, she surprised me.
So as a woman who used to socialize, I mean, what was her description of her job, the social life?
Rosanne, you and I waking up in the morning, we work, right?
We do socialize.
We have greater friends, but this is not what we do mainly.
that's what she did.
And for social, like suddenly to have everybody distance themselves and say, oh, we hardly knew her or whatever.
It's shocking.
And she was very mature about it.
I mean, she impressed me.
She said, I do understand that people who just emailed me invitation for birthdays and wedding anniversaries three, four weeks before I was arrested.
have to say they hardly know me.
I mean, she said, I do understand the friendship with Prince Andrew, which was very close, can never resume.
I do understand that nobody wants to talk about me and say anything.
Do you know what she did?
Does she have remorse and any consciousness of how many lives she ruined of young girls?
That's a very good question.
And that's the one thing that I mean, maybe she couldn't have said that because of the appeal, but appeal is not an excuse.
I wanted her to say, like she said, I regret the day I met Jeffrey Epstein.
I wanted her to say, I regret the lives I ruined or I helped ruining.
And she did not say that.
I mean, she, maybe because of legal reasons, but I was deeply disappointed.
I mean, I was taken by other things she said.
I mean, she's a bag of information, but that's something I really expected her to say, especially because I did have a very good communication with Virginia Juffrey, who did not speak to me.
You won't believe it.
It's actually a mutual friend of mine.
So Alan Dershowitz called me and he said, Are you going to be in DC and so-and-so date?
And I was going to see, I was going for meetings, but it was also Johnny Dapp trial.
So I said, Oh, let me just go and say hi.
And he said, Okay, between you and I, I'm going to be there in this and this hotel because nobody knows.
I am having a deposition with Virginia Juffrey.
She avoided seven, eight times.
And I made sure that she's coming right now.
Would you be there?
I said, Yes.
And I said, Let's be at the same hotel.
It's not a hotel I usually stay.
And so we go.
So we are together because we're two days.
So I came back.
He called me.
He said, Daphne, the position just finished with Virginia.
She did very badly.
That's his words.
I don't know.
She felt bad.
And let's go and have late lunch.
I came there with Bill.
And as we go into the hotel, they suddenly, Alan and his lawyer, Arturo Aidala, they're all celebrating with Cosmo and Martinez because they felt that the position was so good, favoring Alan.
And Sally said, oh, oh, oh, look who is walking in Virginia.
Apparently, we were all staying in the same hotel.
And they were making, I mean, they're my friends.
And I understand she caused a lot of damage to Alan.
His wife was crying to me.
I mean, you know, to excuse, to accuse somebody of things like that.
But I mean, they were like staring at her.
And, you know, she was overweight, swollen, and she knew they were making fun of her.
And she lacked eyes with me, like whatever.
And I felt bad.
I said, guys, I feel like a kindergartner.
Come on, leave her alone.
So I went to the concierge and I sent her a bottle of champagne and chocolates with a note.
And then the concierge came to me and she said, she's asking if you would like to come up to her room.
And I went to her room and I said to Alan Dershowitz, I'm going to see her.
I said, please, please talk to her, you know, because there was no communication.
And you feel the other way.
Yes, she was lying about many things, but many victims do and they have mixed memories.
And she was also at that time cohort by lawyers.
You know, there was lots of money involved.
But you see that this is a ruined life.
I mean, this is definitely, she was swollen.
She was drinking.
She had six packs of beer beers.
They told me to just send it to her.
I think she finished three at the time I was there, which was maybe five, ten minutes.
She did not want to go home back to Australia, although it was the eve of Easter and Passover.
So we were all basically flying back.
And I said, why are you staying here?
I mean, you have your kids.
No, no.
Apparently, she had abused an abused, abusing husband.
So you see, if you're a victim once, of course, you're choosing your past.
And she never actually recovered.
She used to communicate with me.
And I did a beautiful article.
Actually, our mutual friend Robert Kennedy Jr. text messaged me.
Ah, my God, what a beautiful article when she died because people were making fun of her.
They don't understand how victims behave because she said, I maybe have a few days to leave.
And I will say, oh, how do you know that?
Whatever.
No, she died four weeks later.
And I posted, and I never post on social media such things.
I said, guys, when somebody says, I have a few days to leave, take it seriously.
Okay.
And now everybody was regretting.
And so I remember I wrote this article both the front page of the Daily Mail and the Sun.
And people really, one of my friends that you know sent to me, I want you to do my automobile.
Basically, but that's one thing that I agree with you.
It's a fantastic question, Rosanne.
Did she show a remorse?
She did not.
I cannot, you know, I would like to look at both sides.
I don't think she should be in jail 20 years.
I think she's done five years and she's not Jeffrey Epstein.
She was an accomplice.
And two and a half years in a solitary confinement and society.
But I'm very disappointed she did not show remorse.
It's a fantastic question.
It works the whole interview.
Do you want me to explain to you what she said about the question?
We already did the good stuff.
I meant the audio that you said.
I know.
I'm going to do it to you.
I always say that.
I didn't mean that.
No, no, no, no.
Okay.
Let me put it.
It's really.
I'll send it to you afterwards as well, but I want your mother.
Yeah.
Since I met you, I think.
And actually, I think we were with him in the White House with Jared when they changed a little about the prisons.
Darren actually, let's talk about something in diaries.
Don't surprise many people when he was a president and they asked him about you after you were arrested.
And he said, Well, I wish her, you know, the best of luck.
And people criticizing.
Do you remember that moment?
How did you feel?
I did.
Well, I was very touched that he would present me and that he would wish me out with me well.
And I was very touched by his remembrance of me.
And by wishing you well, because he got a slur.
So I wish you were.
I think anybody who says anything remotely kind of positive and generous about me and even attractive negative innocence.
President Trump is famous for thinking and saying what is on his mind whenever he says it.
I was very doubtful when I said it.
I'm going to send you a clear, clean photo.
Send us a clear queen and we'll put it in the basic.
I do remember when he said that.
I wish her well.
We were like, best of all.
And it got a lot of criticism, but actually, she was not, there was no verdict yet.
She was just arrested.
And don't we have in America, even when it comes to the worst people ever, don't we have a saying that you're innocent unless being convicted?
Proven guilty, yeah.
Proven guilty.
Yeah, exactly.
So, I mean, I mean, he actually did the right thing.
He said, I knew her, you know, we moved in the same circles, and I wish her luck.
So, look how many people gracious, you know.
And anything.
You know, they just are down his throat no matter what he does.
So, what if he wrote a Playboy-like card?
Who gives a good shit?
And by the way, he never said he did not know Jeffrey Epstein.
Everybody knew in Mar-a-Lago.
You've been in Mar-a-Lago, Rosanna, and everything.
I mean, everybody knows in Mar-a-Lago, who knows who and everything.
It was not a, but he also kicked Jeffrey Epstein in 2004.
He also cooperated with the police.
He was the only, you know, hoidy-toidy that cooperated with the police against Epstein and kicked him out, too.
Yeah, exactly.
So, I mean, I don't think, do you think that?
Well, it's both parties.
I won't say it's just Democrats, but you know, there's a lot of Republicans too.
They just don't want the information.
Why do you think we haven't received, you know, how come we haven't seen all the names?
Why do you think that is?
Good question.
Good question.
My theory, and I did not discuss it with her because when I, oh, when I asked Elaine if there is a client lease, she insisted that there is no.
Now, it may be that there's not a list.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, she didn't see and put a list, but of course, it was a pyramid.
Everybody knew that, right?
I would think that everybody knows somebody.
You know, we are all six degrees of separation.
So if one is starting, if one is being caught, it would already lead to other five or six or seven or whatever.
And I think I think it's scratched my back, and I'll scratch yours.
You know, it's like Hollywood before Jeffrey Epstein.
What's his name, Harvey Weinstein?
I mean, my friend Corey Feldman, you know, Corey, he told me everybody knew what was going on, right?
They did.
And Corey was very brave, as I know you appreciate it.
But at the time, you know, he lost jobs and everything.
But everybody knew exactly what was going on on the television business, the film industry.
And suddenly, oh my gosh, we didn't know.
Oh, terrible Harvey Weinstein.
But I mean, Harvey was never alone.
And I know about other people was there and was there.
And I think it's the same thing.
Like everybody knew about, I would assume when you go into a house and you see only 15, 16 years old girl, I mean, something is going through your mind, right?
Why didn't, but on the other hand, if you see there, oh, there's another congressman here, there's another senator here, another multi-millionaire here, probably it's okay because they're here, probably everything is fine, you know?
So, I mean, I would assume it's like that.
Look, there was a party in 2010 in Jeffrey Epstein's house.
I want to know about the New Mexico ranch.
That's where they were doing all the.
No, but there was a party.
There was a party in the New York.
Yes.
Exactly.
But there was a party in New York.
And the party was to the owner of Prince Andrew.
And this was after Jeffrey was in jail or sort of jail.
Now we know what kind of jail.
And this is, you know, at that time, the popular second son of the queen, and there were big, big names invited.
Katie Coric, Woody Allen would talk, but that's another story, right?
Of course he was there.
Yeah.
But tell me, so you're going to this party and say, oh, it's for Prince Andrew.
And I see some television personalities and I see people that I know, probably it's fine.
Why would I have to be the one speaking, right?
So I think that's the mentality.
I still don't understand the now.
Now why is that quiet?
I don't know if they can continue to be quiet, Rosanna and Jake, because both, it's a bizarre coalition between left-wing and MAGA.
Everybody wants the truth.
People are being, I mean, they have enough.
You'll see what will happen.
I was texting Steve Ritkoff and I, you know, we're talking about Israel and Russia, but I'm texting him.
Well, Steve, after Friday, with Putin, it will be back to Epstein and Maxwell.
That's it.
I mean, this is not, this is not going away.
You know that.
I mean, they're playing it really dumb from Bondi, even Trump.
It's mind-bogglingly, however you say it, mishandled.
And I cannot wrap up.
There's more than that.
I don't think so.
I think it's moving chess pieces.
Well, What do you think, Daphne?
And then I'll say that.
Rosanne, you and I, Rio and I are friends of Donald.
As you remember, I was about to bring you to Mar-a-Lago, and then you got sick and I got injured.
But we are a friend of Donald.
I saw him, you know, two, three months ago at the club.
Donald is smart.
I think the problem is that he not necessarily is not necessarily, and I'm talking, you know, we're friends with the family and everything.
Some of them agree.
Not necessarily surrounding himself with the right people.
And sometimes you have to have a person who would tell you, no, this is not true, Mrs. President, or I don't agree, or this is a mistake, or let's do, let's brainstorm.
So what's happening right now, ever since she did the client list U-turn, it ballooned.
And also, I don't know if you remember, but Pembondi, there is a video of Jeff, James O'Keefe.
And I got it actually from a friend of James O'Keeffe.
He wanted me to watch it.
And she's interviewing a nanny for a job, right?
And she's sitting on the lunch with a person that she never met.
You are the Attorney General of the United States of America.
And she's gossiping happily about Epstein and the list and everything.
And this is like, I mean, I was speechless.
So basically, to have these people, and I called a friend of mine who is very close to Donald Trump.
And he's talking to them, I would say, daily, if not every two, three days.
And I said, darling, I'm not going to be in DC and Bedminster for four or five weeks, right?
And I need you to tell him something not to do ABCD because he doesn't know what's going on.
He doesn't know whatever.
And he has to know, he has to know what she said at the time.
And he has to not fall into another trip.
Oh, now they're trying, and now she's saying everything just to please him.
And now he's falling into it.
And now those are not releasing.
I said, just let's avoid that.
You know what this person told me?
He said, Daff, I'm staying out of it.
I said, even if you don't want to help him, because I will not be able to say it to him for a few weeks, you know.
And he said, I don't care.
I let Pembondi and the DOJ to hang themselves.
More mistakes they do, better for us.
So now you're talking about infighting.
You don't care to protect your own president.
You just care that, oh, let her hang themselves.
Meanwhile, it hurts him because what he said at the time, I'm standing here.
You know, if I stand tomorrow at the Fifth Avenue and I shoot somebody, nothing will happen to me.
I have my base.
No, the base is turning against him.
And every day now they try to release the grand jury.
Now I'm asking you, Rosanna and Jake, why on earth would you try to release a grand jury?
I know what's in the grand jury.
And the judge actually said yesterday what I knew.
There is nothing.
You know that you can indict a ham sandwich.
A grand jury is nothing there.
It's just a policeman or a detective saying a victim is saying so and so and so.
That's the grand jury.
So why are you putting all this?
Okay, now we try to release that.
No, it wasn't released.
But the judge made fun of it because he said, actually, I'm releasing what you didn't want, what you wanted to release, but I'm releasing with my interpretation, right?
So I think the total release should be really transparency and basically really getting an investigative team into it, whether it's a counsel or general, whatever, special counsel.
It will not go away, I can tell you.
And I can tell you that it will affect 2026.
Yeah, no, absolutely.
Yeah, it will affect.
I think he knows what he's doing.
I think he's got it all.
I think he's staying.
He's a showman.
And I think that my opinion is he's making the Democrats beg for it.
And then he's going to go, you Want it?
You really want it?
Here you go.
Because he has everything.
And we all know where it leads.
We know every bit of it.
And, you know, I think we're going to see arrests.
We're going to see.
One thing we know, it will not lead to him.
It may lead to some friends of him, but it will not lead to him because Donald Trump, I know him since I'm 20, as I told you, since 92 or whatever.
And Donald Trump would never engage with this kind of sick relationship.
He might, I think, worst come to worse, you can come against him like the excess Hollywood tape that he did, like a locker, locker room chats.
Maybe he did that with Epstein.
I don't know.
But nothing more.
So nothing would lead to Donald Trump.
I think that's what's frustrating to him because really he knows that there is nothing.
And as you said, if he wrote a birthday card, who cares?
You're joking.
You and I can make so many jokes.
And at that point, Jeff Epstein was a dear friend or like one of the boys.
Why not?
I mean, let's just think about it for a minute.
The Democrats, the FBI, the DOJ, all of them, the State Department, Loretta Lynch, Obama, Susan Rice, everybody.
They never thought she'd lose Hillary.
And everything's about protecting Hillary.
It's about protecting the Clintons.
And that's why they're playing these games.
And that's why Trump's like, yeah, beg for it.
We got it all.
And we're all going to enjoy it.
And then she's going to get arrested.
That's my opinion.
I hope she's going to get arrested.
You know, she's a Hillary used to be my friend.
I used to be a Democrat.
You two.
Donald was there at my home in New York when I was interviewing Dayland NBC in 2004.
It was Bill's birthday.
You see, each time Bill's birthday is happening, something is happening.
You and John Voigt, Amy Wynouse, Hillary Clinton.
And she even sang happy birthday for Bill.
And Arthur Goffinger was there.
It was a Democrat crowd.
So we were friends.
She even met her doctor through me.
We went to Canyon Ranch together.
And I was very disappointed when we saw her and Bill in 2015.
We went to the initiative, you know, the Clinton Foundation.
First of all, I was very bothered.
I mean, she was very nice to me, and Bill was very nice to me.
But first of all, it bothered me that we were maybe two out of 10 Americans.
The rest was foreign money because everybody knew that she was going to run.
Yeah.
So, and she was already the Secretary of State, right?
So, I mean, it was like people.
She was firing it away there in the Epstein Foundation set up by Jeffrey Epstein.
Exactly.
That's what you're telling me.
And she was taking it in internationally with a server in her bathroom that China could hack at will with State Department secrets.
That bothers me.
That bothers me.
Privatized State Department secrets.
Come on.
She's going to answer for all of it.
And they're trying to say, Trump wrote a nasty, Trump wrote a send, you know, come on.
We all know what's going on.
We all know why the Democrats are hiding it.
We know why a lot of Republicans are hiding it too, because they were involved with the Clinton Foundation.
And where'd that money come from?
USAID, hello, and all the other NGOs.
It's going to be transparent as a son of a bitch.
That's what's going to happen.
Well, I don't know if she will be arrested.
I mean, she's not well and she's not young.
I mean, have you seen her recently?
And I don't know if it will go to that, but it's definitely, I agree with you that Donald Trump.
The government of the United States with fake arguments.
Again, I don't know what will happen.
I do agree with you that Donald Trump likes to shift the focus instead of himself and everything to the Clintons.
And it's an easy one because the relationship were really, really, really tight.
And with Ghillain, it continued.
I remember that she told me that she saw him last time, I think, in a dinner.
I mean, not much before she was on the run.
And she was sitting with him.
And Gager, the husband, was put like next to the kitchen, you know.
So there was really tight, and she told me that she was cruising with Chelsea Clinton.
I mean, I don't cruise with people who are not close to me, you know.
So the relationship was really, uh, really tight.
And she's, and in my tape, she's talking about Bill Clinton.
I'm telling you, like a 16-year-old in-love girl.
I mean, it wasn't now again, she did not change the tone.
She said they were very close, which is contradicting.
Was that my big scope in the Daily Mail a few days ago?
That it's contradicting what Bill Clinton said, but it was the same thing she told me.
The tone is disappointed.
And if she's upset and disappointed and she's sitting on all this information, don't forget there was still even, I don't know if I want to, I will probably have to release more of my interviews, although I felt we did so much.
But there will be subpoena to the Congress committee, right?
And she said she wants to wait until the appeal.
I wish her, well, I don't want to take the sentence from Trump.
And I really think it's time to give her some, you know, definitely easier jail or commuting.
I could not pardon such thing, but you couldn't do public commuting or something like that.
Well, you know what they say.
You know, a caged bird sings.
And I think he's got all the leverage on her.
And I think she's got all the leverage in the world.
And we'll see what happens, right?
We'll stay on top.
I'm saying, so just that you know, that she's right now say she cannot because of the Supreme Court, but you know the statistic of Zan, Jake, do the statistics.
Most of the Supreme Court, people who go to the Supreme Court, most of them are not being heard by the Supreme Court.
Only a very, very small percentage is being accepted by the Supreme Court.
So again, I don't want to sound like Donald Trump.
I wish her well because I do.
I mean, I think everybody should have a chance to appeal and appeal and appeal.
But it's highly unlikely that it would be taken by the Supreme Court.
So soon enough, you and I and Jake probably will have another one after the Congress hearing because then she cannot say, I don't want to talk because there's no legal.
You understand?
And that would be interesting.
But I'm telling you one thing, my prediction, 2026.
Not good to the Republicans.
Yeah, that will be one of the tariffs.
Nice.
Israel, Gaza, Ukraine, Russia, very nice.
Immigration, nice.
Epstein, Epstein, and Maxwell.
And why are they hiding?
If they're hiding and what are they hiding?
It will continue.
I think it's going to come.
I think Trump knows what he's doing.
He's so smart.
He's smart.
There's two theories that they did him dirty and he loves, loves, loves to get even, especially when he has the law on his side.
Yeah.
And now he does because before I was just joking when people asked me about his trials when I'm traveling overseas, I said, you know, my late friend, Benazir Bhutto, was like my big sister, and she was the prime minister of Pakistan, used to be joking, Daphne, either prime minister or my husband is in jail.
I said, we're becoming like Pakistan.
I mean, either he's a president or there are like six lawsuits against him.
So it's becoming crazy.
I totally agree.
Daphne, there's one thing.
Yeah.
Well, there's two main theories of why it's being covered up.
One is that the intelligence community is so deeply invested in Epstein that it's national security risk.
And that includes the Mossad, MI6, CIA.
And there's no way Trump can release that because it's a threat to national security.
To me, that's the most plausible.
The other one is that Trump, even though he's innocent, some of his friends may not be, or they may be innocent, but implicated and he doesn't want to ruin their lives.
And those are the two kind of rock and hard places within.
To me, if it is one of those two, it's not going to matter to the American people.
If you're covering up for intelligence agencies that were blackmailing and having sex with underage girls, you're not going to accept it.
There's no excuse for using children.
I agree.
So if it is that, if Trump's listening, if it's your covering for the Mossad or MI6, don't let it out.
We'll deal with the fallout because that is not acceptable to any American.
I'll make sure you see that.
Don't forget.
Your boy Jake coming at you.
I know.
I think Trump's smarter than everyone in the world and he wants to wrap it up nice and tight before the elections and he will.
Okay.
I pray for him.
I pray for him because he's doing some great things.
I mean, even the peace right now between Armenia and Azerbaijan.
I mean, unbelievable.
Cambodia and this.
This is just, by the way, I mean, the tariff short term are very problematic, but long term, it has to be balanced.
So he's doing great things.
And this whole Epstein and Maxwell seeing Cloud Bavas is crazy.
So I do hope so.
I definitely, he's my friend.
He's my president.
I'm with you.
I'm just saying that some people around him got him into this position.
Yeah.
Wow.
When you come back, well, next time you'll come back and we'll discuss further how Trump is fighting the whole centralized banks that Epstein worked for.
And that'll be my favorite.
I will need my husband too, right?
You know that.
Yeah, I get Bill too, because he knows about that.
Let's have that discussion too next week.
I love that you were on my show and it was so fabulous to talk about.
You're so much.
You're so tough.
I mean, a couple of your questions are so on the money.
And as an interviewer, I know when I recognize a good question.
So I have to flatter you back.
And next time we're doing it face to face.
Yeah, I would love that.
And then we'll go back and have sushi and drink too much.
Absolutely.
And Jake.
And Jake will drive.
And Jake will drive.
I am the designated drunk driver always.
I'm going to send you back.
By the way, Jake, Bill will send you a clean two minutes when she's talking about Donald, okay?
Yeah, I just want to say before you go, real quick, for those case that got lost in the shuffle, we covered so many things today.
What you're saying is some of the media pressure is that she's going to start turning on the Clintons and helping Trump because she wants a pardon.
So anything she does to help Trump is leveraged.
You're saying you already have those interviews because you had unprecedented access.
You're the only person that interviewed her.
And you already have the digital assets that show that she hasn't changed her story.
So that blows their argument out of the water.
I just wanted to reiterate that.
That's the big scope.
That's the big scope.
That's a great wrap-up, son.
Oh, my God.
I'm so proud of my son, Daphne.
You know, we love you, son.
I mean, and now we're going to see the grandkids.
Now we're going to see the grandkids.
Yeah, we are.
Yeah, we'll see you soon.
All right.
Well, thank you very much.
Oh, you see, my patience is growing fierce.
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