Rebel News - EZRA LEVANT | Is Canada’s biggest police force compromised from within ... and can it be saved?
Aired: 2026-04-23
Duration: 38:40


=== Joe Warmington and Anti-Semitism (11:30) ===

[00:00:00]  Hello, my friends.
[00:00:00]  A very special show today, a feature interview with Toronto's most popular columnist.
[00:00:06]  He's also a great news reporter.
[00:00:07]  I'm talking about my friend Joe Warmington.
[00:00:09]  We're going to talk about the police beat, the anti Semitic protest beat, and what is going on in not just Toronto, but police forces around North America.
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[00:01:10]  Tonight, is Canada's largest police force corrupt?
[00:01:14]  Is it anti Semitic?
[00:01:16]  Can it be saved?
[00:01:17]  It's April 23rd, and this is the Ezra Levant Show.
[00:01:23]  Shame on you, you censorious thug.
[00:01:35]  Well, I grew up in Alberta, not in Calgary proper.
[00:01:38]  In fact, we lived west of the city in a rural place.
[00:01:41]  I went to a country school for junior high.
[00:01:44]  I mean, we weren't deep country, we were outside the city.
[00:01:47]  But I had the exposure to cowboys and Indians, I guess you could say.
[00:01:53]  And I should say that my sister and I were the only Jewish kids at the country school we went to.
[00:01:58]  There were two black kids and two Chinese kids and two Sikh kids.
[00:02:02]  Other than that, it was just regular folks.
[00:02:04]  I'm happy to say, and it was a wonderful childhood.
[00:02:09]  I never once in my entire life encountered anti Semitism.
[00:02:14]  Like, just never.
[00:02:16]  In fact, it was sort of the opposite.
[00:02:17]  Everyone who talked about the issue, which was not many, wanted to know more about being Jewish.
[00:02:23]  In fact, I felt it was sort of a burden.
[00:02:25]  I had to study up on it so I could provide answers.
[00:02:29]  It was a wonderful childhood, and Canadians are so friendly and welcoming.
[00:02:35]  It feels very different now, but.
[00:02:37]  The kind people who I grew up with west of Calgary have not changed.
[00:02:42]  They're not suddenly anti Semitic.
[00:02:44]  And the country that I remember in the 70s and 80s and 90s, that part of Canada is still philo Semitic, if anything.
[00:02:54]  I think there's two strains of anti Semitism in this country.
[00:02:57]  One is the academic left wing woke anti Semitism, which views the world through the lens of the oppressed and the oppressor.
[00:03:07]  And they've decided that Israel, even though it's a land made up of refugees, Even though it is multiracial, there are Arab Jews, there are Black Jews, there are Russian Jews.
[00:03:17]  They've decided that that is a country of oppressors, so the woke left, especially in academia, hates Jews.
[00:03:23]  All right, fine.
[00:03:24]  That's not great, but it's a limited number.
[00:03:26]  However, add to that unlimited immigration from parts of the world where 99% of people just are anti Semitic.
[00:03:36]  It's just how it is.
[00:03:37]  And I base that on studies by the Pew Research Institute, which is a nonpartisan, massive global opinion company that sometimes asks third world countries their views on women and gays and America and Jews.
[00:03:55]  If we are bringing in millions of people from anti Semitic places like Pakistan and Afghanistan and North Africa, should it be surprising to us that people who hop on a plane bring with them their ancient views?
[00:04:11]  And so I hate to say it, but Canada is becoming an anti Semitic country, not because those kindly people amongst whom I grew up 30, 40 years ago have changed.
[00:04:21]  They haven't changed at all.
[00:04:23]  It's partly because of the academic left, but it's mainly because we have brought into our shores people who just plain hate Jews.
[00:04:32]  And that's a subset of their larger hatred for the West.
[00:04:35]  That's my opinion, at least.
[00:04:37]  But every week I feel like I have more evidence supporting my opinion.
[00:04:40]  This week there was a massive outburst of anti Semitic vandalism.
[00:04:45]  At a school in the greater Toronto area.
[00:04:46]  And then there was a shocking confession or accusation by a 34 year police officer in the Toronto Police Service.
[00:04:55]  Here to talk about those two news items to see whether or not they fit my thesis is our friend Joe Warmington, the senior columnist at the Toronto Sun newspaper.
[00:05:06]  Joe, great to see you.
[00:05:06]  Thanks very much for joining the show.
[00:05:09]  Yeah, I mean, it's good to be with you and interesting to hear you talk about your Western roots and how you grew up.
[00:05:15]  It's, you know, I was an army brat.
[00:05:18]  And I lived all over the place.
[00:05:20]  And you're right, I had never really encountered, you know, I didn't grow up Jewish, but I mean, I didn't encounter any kind of racism or even understand it.
[00:05:30]  I think that was partially because of living in the military world where you had everybody from everywhere, and we were raised in an international kind of way until the last three years, really.
[00:05:43]  I mean, I certainly covered anti Semitic stories for Sun Media in my career, but I never knew it was anything like this.
[00:05:51]  Interesting.
[00:05:52]  Here you equate the reasons for it.
[00:05:55]  I think that's one of the reasons.
[00:05:56]  I mean, there's people that come from places, and that's the way it is in those places, but it's way more than that.
[00:06:04]  It's a pandering and a tolerance that was allowed to happen.
[00:06:07]  And, you know, I called it really that very first night, which I'm not sure the date.
[00:06:12]  I think the first time I went to what I dubbed the Gaza Plaza, which is in Mississauga, where there was a celebration of some sort of thing over the October 7th slaughter, the, you know, horrific situation where more than 1,200, you know, Jews, Canadians, Americans, people from Israel, all of that were murdered in cold blood.
[00:06:35]  And there was a A whole bunch of hostages, 250 hostages taken, all that.
[00:06:39]  And they were celebrating.
[00:06:41]  I was like an assault to the system.
[00:06:43]  And it woke me up really instantly.
[00:06:45]  I knew something was wrong there.
[00:06:47]  Then the next night or the night after, down at Young and Bloor in Toronto, which turns out to be the Israeli consulate, but I didn't know that.
[00:06:55]  There was a building there that was being built.
[00:06:59]  And there was a whole bunch of people that were anti Israel.
[00:07:03]  And they were really, really celebrating all of this.
[00:07:05]  Israel had not responded at all yet.
[00:07:07]  There were lots of complaints about Israel, but they were the victims.
[00:07:10]  There was nothing to complain about, you know, what they later complained about.
[00:07:14]  But at this stage, nothing had happened.
[00:07:17]  And they were on top of the buildings.
[00:07:18]  They had these torches going, and it was quite a wild scene.
[00:07:22]  I took out my camera, which I always do, you know, you do it too, and started filming it and taking pictures.
[00:07:31]  And I talked to you when I was on your show the last time, and a police officer came in and really hit me.
[00:07:37]  I don't know how because I didn't see him, but hard.
[00:07:40]  You know, in my 60s.
[00:07:42]  So I don't want to be hit anytime.
[00:07:46]  I certainly don't want to be sucker punched.
[00:07:48]  And he did that.
[00:07:49]  And I didn't like that.
[00:07:50]  I mentioned, like, I've taken a picture.
[00:07:52]  I was the only person that wasn't breaking the law there, including that officer who broke the law when he assaulted me.
[00:07:59]  And I looked over, there were a lot of police officers, and they were laughing.
[00:08:02]  They were laughing at me.
[00:08:03]  They liked it.
[00:08:04]  They enjoyed it.
[00:08:05]  I told them that I was Joe Warmington, Toronto Sun columnist.
[00:08:08]  And in, you know, 35 years of covering the streets, I've never, ever had that happen where.
[00:08:14]  I'm taking pictures of people that are going up on the building that are violating that building.
[00:08:21]  There are a lot of racial slurs towards Israel and Jewish people and all kinds of things.
[00:08:26]  I mean, River to the Sea, all of that was happening.
[00:08:29]  It was new.
[00:08:30]  We weren't used to it yet.
[00:08:32]  But the one guy who was in trouble was me for taking a picture of it.
[00:08:36]  And right away, that was the beginning of me understanding, not fully, but in retrospect, I really understood it.
[00:08:43]  Now, I saw what happened to you.
[00:08:45]  I covered that.
[00:08:46]  In fact, I think you were on the front page of the Toronto Sun.
[00:08:49]  For being arrested for doing what?
[00:08:50]  For doing exactly what I did, taking a picture of somebody that came into a neighborhood where a lot of Jewish people live and did a cosplay, something from Gaza with the chair and the blood and all that stuff.
[00:09:04]  That's all you did.
[00:09:05]  You took a picture and you were arrested and you're put in a jail cell.
[00:09:08]  Your liberty was taken from you and your dignity and all that stuff.
[00:09:12]  Maybe it gave you some street cred in a way, but I don't think that that is really the issue.
[00:09:17]  The issue is that you're on the sidewalk taking a picture.
[00:09:21]  So, all that long story comes back to the question of what we see now.
[00:09:27]  What they really said was go get them.
[00:09:30]  You can do anything you want.
[00:09:31]  You can shoot up at Jewish schools.
[00:09:33]  You can shoot up at synagogues.
[00:09:35]  You can vandalize what you want.
[00:09:37]  You can take over neighborhoods.
[00:09:39]  And you can do really at will.
[00:09:41]  We're not going to do anything about it.
[00:09:43]  In fact, they tried to make it that it was a real us and them thing.
[00:09:47]  The victims were the people in Israel.
[00:09:49]  The hostages were real.
[00:09:51]  And they wanted to gloss all that over.
[00:09:52]  Now, Here we are, you know, further down the line, and you've seen police try to do a little better lately, and I think they have done better.
[00:10:02]  But out in Peel region in Mississauga, at a very quiet, you know, Aaron Mills neighborhood, not known for too much crime.
[00:10:10]  But there was a gun call at this school a month ago, which I wrote about.
[00:10:15]  And then, of course, there was this incident where, as Efren, your producer, was saying, that I didn't think of it this way, but he said they wrote whole paragraphs.
[00:10:23]  It's true, it wasn't just the tagging of anti Semitic sentiment or All kinds of things about Catholics and everything else there, because it's a Catholic school.
[00:10:32]  But it was really a manifesto, if you will, all on the walls of the community center out front.
[00:10:39]  Mentioned Israel, mentioned all kinds of things, which I'm sure you've got some B roll on it.
[00:10:44]  And, you know, I'm still not sure what it was.
[00:10:48]  I don't know what the police are doing about it.
[00:10:51]  I'm waiting.
[00:10:51]  I'm still trying to write about that.
[00:10:53]  But I said to the police, the police who have a good relationship, that you can't treat this.
[00:11:00]  As just kids doing this, this is way more than that.
[00:11:02]  This is a coordinated effort.
[00:11:04]  I would like to see an arrest in this case.
[00:11:07]  I know the courts will just think it's hilarious, but I don't find it hilarious.
[00:11:13]  And I know the people that were coming and going, the students there, they're all, you know, you can see they were, I overheard them talking about how much it upset them.
[00:11:21]  And then all the people coming to the gym, the pool, the library, and all that were just right adjacent or adjoined to that school.
[00:11:28]  And that shook them up too.

=== Broken Windows and Arrests (15:04) ===

[00:11:30]  It's a Mississauga.
[00:11:30]  We never saw anything like that.
[00:11:32]  So it's a big deal.
[00:11:35]  And I'll stop for a minute because I know you want to talk about the police, but that sets up, you know, I think a really good sort of synopsis of where we're at here.
[00:11:44]  You know, you remind me of a theory that was first tried out in New York City, which was a crime ridden city in the 70s.
[00:11:54]  It was lawless, it was a dangerous city, one of the most dangerous cities in America.
[00:12:00]  And there's a theory by an economist named James Q. Wilson, and it was nicknamed the broken windows theory.
[00:12:07]  And it was if there was, let's say, an old factory or something that was standing there for month after month, If you broke one window, if you threw a rock and broke one window, if that window was not fixed quickly, soon every window would be broken because you're sending the message, you're sending a couple of messages.
[00:12:30]  First of all, no one is looking, no one cares, no one's paying attention.
[00:12:36]  And second of all, we're fine with this.
[00:12:38]  So, number one, you're not at risk.
[00:12:41]  And number two, we don't really care.
[00:12:44]  Another way that this is applied is if a car is parked, you park a fancy car in a bad neighborhood.
[00:12:49]  If a window is smashed, very quickly the whole car is stripped.
[00:12:54]  So Rudy Giuliani, when he took over New York City after the disastrous 70s, took an approach where no, we're going to do a broken window style of policing.
[00:13:03]  We're going to capture you for jaywalking.
[00:13:06]  All those small things, we're going to send two messages someone is watching and we do care as a society.
[00:13:12]  What you've described is changing the culture of Toronto from what used to be called Toronto the good.
[00:13:20]  Where there was a high trust society, people looked out for one another, to a place where we now accept a constant, throbbing anti Semitic crime wave.
[00:13:31]  And that's just normal now.
[00:13:35]  And we've not only telegraphed that to those who would do the crimes, but we've internalized it ourselves.
[00:13:41]  That's Toronto now.
[00:13:42]  You don't see politicians anymore saying, this isn't our Toronto, because actually it is.
[00:13:47]  For two and a half years, this is accepted.
[00:13:49]  So they don't even pretend it's not Toronto, but it's because.
[00:13:53]  Of the things you described, police allowing things, and in your shocking case, police hitting you because you were documenting it, and that is what they did to me.
[00:14:02]  So it's so sad to see a marvelous, world class city like Toronto, um, in a very short course of time, huge crime waves, and the message is no one's watching, and even if we were, we don't care.
[00:14:19]  It's actually heartbreaking.
[00:14:21]  Yeah, it is.
[00:14:23]  And, you know, again, we don't really want any special treatment when we're out covering these things, but we don't want to be assaulted if we're standing on the sidewalk covering it.
[00:14:33]  I mean, they don't get to see you.
[00:14:34]  You're penned in over here.
[00:14:36]  By the way, when we penned you in with it, they put bikes all around.
[00:14:38]  They have their own marshals, their own police services.
[00:14:40]  I'm talking about the anti Semite kind of Hamas supporting groups.
[00:14:46]  And some of them are communists.
[00:14:47]  It's like a red green alliance or whatever it is.
[00:14:50]  They get to hit you with their bike, like you hit it under your shin really hard and it hurts.
[00:14:55]  You're not going to die.
[00:14:55]  You may not go to the hospital, but you don't really deserve that.
[00:14:59]  But if you say anything to them, you're going to get taken down by the police, and you did in your case.
[00:15:04]  You want to talk about what happened because there's a lot of sinister things that happen.
[00:15:10]  And one of them that really stands out for me is the Danforth shooting, where there were 16 total.
[00:15:16]  There were two young women that were murdered.
[00:15:18]  And the guy that did all this, What had just been, you know, I can't remember his background, but he'd just been to Pakistan.
[00:15:25]  I discovered that within, you know, maybe a month or two, or certainly that year, he'd been over in Pakistan.
[00:15:31]  And I was really curious about what his motives were because in the middle of it, and I remember you playing the clip because I did get the clip.
[00:15:40]  I interviewed the guy that owned a restaurant there and he spared that guy.
[00:15:44]  He said, No, you're okay.
[00:15:46]  You're okay.
[00:15:46]  You stand over there.
[00:15:47]  He continued on to shoot more, mostly girls.
[00:15:50]  And, you know, he put one young lady into a wheelchair.
[00:15:54]  He killed those.
[00:15:55]  Those two, you know, those young women.
[00:15:58]  And again, we weren't really ever given an answer for that.
[00:16:02]  That was a terror attack.
[00:16:03]  That was an Islamic terror attack.
[00:16:05]  It was covered up in Mississauga.
[00:16:07]  Actually, the more I think about it, it's not very far from the school.
[00:16:11]  It's called Chicken Land Restaurant.
[00:16:13]  It's actually in an Esso complex where there's a Domino's.
[00:16:17]  It's a great place to get chicken if you're ever in the area.
[00:16:19]  Nice family.
[00:16:20]  They went in and tried to kill that whole family.
[00:16:22]  These were all Islamic converts.
[00:16:25]  They were.
[00:16:25]  Converted in a strip mall near the airport.
[00:16:28]  I wrote about all this and I did my own videos of it.
[00:16:31]  But I was in the trial that was an Islamic, you know, funded by ISIS group.
[00:16:38]  Again, nobody, you didn't even know that.
[00:16:40]  I mean, I'm sure the audience is watching this going, Are you sure this is true?
[00:16:45]  You can read it and it's true.
[00:16:47]  That was in the Trudeau government.
[00:16:49]  I think both of those were covered up.
[00:16:52]  So when you cover up things like that, you're not going to say, worry about this broken windows thing.
[00:16:56]  It's interesting, Ezra, that you mentioned the broken windows.
[00:17:00]  That's exactly what I thought.
[00:17:01]  And I was standing there looking at this.
[00:17:03]  And I was, I mean, I didn't get to see all of it because they had, they very quickly, to their credit, they picked it up for a bunch of reasons, maybe the one that you said, but I don't think that's really it.
[00:17:13]  But I saw enough of it to understand.
[00:17:14]  And I thought the same thing.
[00:17:16]  And I think that of all these things with the anti Semitism, that the reason why I've had so many people say to me, well, you're not Jewish.
[00:17:24]  What is it?
[00:17:25]  Why do you write about this all the time?
[00:17:28]  What the heck has that got to do with anything?
[00:17:30]  I mean, I would do the same thing if it was towards any religion.
[00:17:34]  It is what it is.
[00:17:36]  And we're not going to tolerate that.
[00:17:39]  And, you know, that's why I'm proud to work at the Toronto Sun because we did stand up to it.
[00:17:43]  It wasn't just me, because all these great colleagues Brian Passview and Brian Lilly, and obviously Warren Kinsella and our editor, Adrian Badger, we fought this scourge of anti Semitism that was, you know, basically on fire for the last three years.
[00:17:59]  Including to the point where we're shooting into synagogues and into, you know, three times into a girl's school.
[00:18:05]  And this isn't over yet.
[00:18:08]  I don't think people take it seriously.
[00:18:10]  And you're right, they normalize it now.
[00:18:12]  And that's what I write about all the time.
[00:18:13]  I don't want to normalize these crimes.
[00:18:15]  So I don't try to shock people.
[00:18:17]  I just try to say, here's what it really is.
[00:18:19]  You know, you don't just gloss this over and go on and check the scores of the NHL playoffs.
[00:18:25]  This is happening right in your community.
[00:18:26]  And your kid or your wife, which we've had all these things happen, could be hit with one of these straight bullets at any time.
[00:18:32]  We've had all that happen.
[00:18:34]  Yeah.
[00:18:35]  Wow.
[00:18:35]  Well, and you're right.
[00:18:36]  The Toronto Sun has been outstanding.
[00:18:38]  You know, just today I saw there's a former senior police officer.
[00:18:43]  He was a very senior, I think, a homicide detective.
[00:18:45]  His name was Hank Idzinga.
[00:18:48]  And, you know, I'm not originally from Toronto, so I'm unfamiliar with him, but he wrote a book about policing.
[00:18:54]  And, you know, I'm not surprised that he has criticisms of a police department.
[00:18:59]  I mean, that's not rare.
[00:19:00]  Police department is an organization that would have troubles like any organization, and it's always So, I'm not surprised that there were criticisms of the police department.
[00:19:09]  What did surprise me was this senior guy, one of the best known cops in Toronto, accuses with some detail the police department of having anti Semitism within it in a manner that actually, not just sort of, you know, the odd rough language.
[00:19:28]  I mean, I think sometimes you have a masculine, high stress environment military, police you're going to have people blowing off steam, maybe saying some epithets.
[00:19:38]  Frankly, that doesn't bother me that much.
[00:19:41]  But what this officer, Henke Zenga, says is that no, you actually have people who are anti Semitic and they are being deployed to the anti Semitic hate crime.
[00:19:53]  So if you call to complain about some anti Semitic crime, the guy you're talking to may share the view of the criminal.
[00:20:03]  I think that's the takeaway.
[00:20:04]  Here, take a look at this clip from an interview I'm pleasantly surprised the CBC did with this officer.
[00:20:10]  Here, take a look.
[00:20:11]  Do you have any reason to think that they then took those? abhorrent behaviors into the public realm.
[00:20:17]  The senior officers would have very little interaction with the public realm.
[00:20:22]  But if you look at those senior officers who are still in control when we have our post-October 7th protests going on and everyone's scratching their head and saying, why aren't the police doing anything here?
[00:20:38]  Why are we not seeing a response when it's this particular community that's being victimized?
[00:20:44]  And that very well might explain some of it right there and then.
[00:20:47]  Do you have any reason to believe that anti Semitic senior officers were in charge of decisions around deployments around those protests?
[00:20:55]  Absolutely.
[00:20:56]  Police services exist to serve the population.
[00:20:59]  So to talk with Hank Katsinga is to know some listening will nod in sad recognition, others will be newly rattled and maybe scared.
[00:21:08]  I'm trying to imagine the position of a citizen who wants to call the police because of anti Semitic or racist behavior.
[00:21:18]  That they feel victim to?
[00:21:19]  Do they have reason to feel safe in making that call?
[00:21:22]  If you call to make a complaint about anti Semitic behavior, let's say, just to package that in a nutshell, you need to be aware that the person you're making that complaint to, Varro might be an anti Semite themselves.
[00:21:38]  That's why you have to constantly stay on top of that complaint that you've made.
[00:21:44]  Who's it been assigned to?
[00:21:46]  What's their contact info?
[00:21:49]  What's going on with it?
[00:21:51]  Right?
[00:21:51]  That's something the public really needs to do.
[00:21:54]  So, what do you make of that?
[00:21:54]  That surprised me.
[00:21:55]  I did not expect that.
[00:21:57]  Well, no, I mean, I guess I was a little surprised with it.
[00:22:03]  I mean, it certainly shook me up when I watched it.
[00:22:07]  The language that was used towards Hank and Zynga, who's a very Quality.
[00:22:13]  I mean, I knew him very well for many years.
[00:22:14]  In fact, his career kind of mirrored my career at the Sun.
[00:22:18]  He started around the same time I did at the Sun and he started the police.
[00:22:21]  So I've known him a long time.
[00:22:23]  I knew him as a detective.
[00:22:24]  I sort of, because he's such a big guy, I saw him around 51 Division where the Toronto Sun was for many decades.
[00:22:31]  So he's a quality guy.
[00:22:32]  Everybody respects him.
[00:22:33]  So if he's saying it, you know, I'm going to give it a full hearing to hear what he has to say.
[00:22:41]  I think the thing about this is that.
[00:22:46]  If this was Ezra Levant that walked on a sidewalk and took a picture, he'd be arrested and put in handcuffs and put into a jail cell.
[00:22:56]  If it was David Menzies, he would be assaulted.
[00:23:00]  His head would be smashed up against the wall as hard as they can and then down on the ground and hit his head on the ground.
[00:23:06]  And they would investigate that and they would arrest him and charge him.
[00:23:10]  If he was taking a picture out the window of his car when he sees some police officers, he would get a $600 ticket.
[00:23:17]  So if anybody thinks that Henk and Zinka were saying they, where he was inside, did these things.
[00:23:27]  And they go, Yeah, and so what?
[00:23:29]  Well, if David Menzies had done it, there would be a reaction to it.
[00:23:32]  It's not just about the police, and I'm pro police cop.
[00:23:37]  I work pro cop reporter, and I work with them very well.
[00:23:43]  And we have had lots of disagreements, but we find a way to make it work.
[00:23:47]  But making it work is to remind them that it's not their club.
[00:23:51]  That's our club.
[00:23:51]  We own that, they work for us.
[00:23:54]  And their job is to police for everybody.
[00:23:57]  And, you know, they're not above the law.
[00:23:58]  I mean, there's a police officer that was charged just in this same news cycle that we're talking about now.
[00:24:04]  And he was charged for giving information through the computer system, you know, accessing it as it shouldn't have been.
[00:24:11]  10 month veteran.
[00:24:12]  I'm not sure his name in front of me is something like Constable Hassan or whatever, 10 months on the job.
[00:24:18]  I don't know why he still has a job because, you know, but if he was David Menzies and he was taking a picture, the police would be pretty interested in it.
[00:24:27]  And so, You know, it's the double standard.
[00:24:30]  They, I think that's the thing, they're afraid.
[00:24:33]  You know, the mayor obviously is proving herself to be no friend of Israel or Jewish people.
[00:24:38]  I mean, she's not only not gone to things, she's lied, and her office lied to me about it, particularly the one year anniversary of October 7th.
[00:24:45]  I mean, they lied to me, and I reported all of that.
[00:24:48]  So, it's not a surprise that there's not an interest to get to the bottom of it.
[00:24:54]  But let me ask you this question.
[00:24:55]  If there was a police officer get up and said that there was this kind of thing against homosexuals in the gay community or against the Muslim community, would it be, oh, shucks, there's nothing to it?
[00:25:08]  No, we would be the first ones saying, I want to get to the bottom of that.
[00:25:12]  Inspector Hinzinga also mentioned about racism towards Black youth as well.
[00:25:19]  And that's a part of the story that I think needs to be looked at.
[00:25:22]  So I think what I'd like to see happen is that it be taken as seriously as they took David Menzies filming that.
[00:25:30]  And I don't want to see anybody arrested like he gets arrested, where he gets pushed and shoved and put into the hospital.
[00:25:36]  I don't want anything like that.
[00:25:38]  But it would be nice if there would be somebody come along and say, you know what, we are going to investigate this because this is coming from a whistleblower at the very top.
[00:25:46]  And we're going to give him a hearing and we're not going to run him down or criticize him, make him feel like he needs to be afraid of them.
[00:25:53]  We're going to do better than that because we work for the people and we're going to find it.
[00:25:57]  One last point on that.
[00:25:58]  You know, we had the corruption case, which they call Project South, where there's been eight, I think it's, you know, eight, maybe it's more like 10 now officers that have been charged in that thing.
[00:26:09]  And it was very similar to that case I mentioned.
[00:26:12]  And, you know, it's interesting that you had two of your reporters there, David the Benzoid Benzies and Lincoln J, and they were not allowed in.
[00:26:22]  There's interaction of that, and they were threatened with arrest.
[00:26:26]  It's a corruption case and this kind of thing, but the reporters that have the biggest audience are not allowed in or they face arrest.

=== Robert Peel's Serious Questions (07:06) ===

[00:26:35]  I came out and I did an interview right away because I didn't like that.
[00:26:38]  I think that it's a free press and I would rather they do the interview about the corruption, but since there was no one willing to talk to your people, I did it.
[00:26:48]  But it was interesting in that thing, the chief, my redemption, he took control of that corruption thing and it became his press conference.
[00:26:56]  This was up in York Region.
[00:26:57]  This is not his police service.
[00:26:59]  It was another police service that discovered these serious allegations and eventual charges.
[00:27:06]  But it became about Myron Demke, the chief.
[00:27:08]  He took it over.
[00:27:09]  He didn't do it at his own place, he did it there.
[00:27:12]  And so, you know, there's no accountability that's ever going to happen if the people that are being accused of something are going to be the ones to say, Don't worry, we got this.
[00:27:22]  We'll look into it and we'll let you know.
[00:27:24]  And by the way, if you ask too many questions, we might just give you the Menzies treatment and beat the crap out of you.
[00:27:29]  And we might do what we did to Ezra and put you in jail.
[00:27:33]  So, you know, it's a pretty serious thing that we're talking about here.
[00:27:38]  And, you know, I'm saying that as a pro police guy.
[00:27:41]  I mean, I love dealing with them.
[00:27:43]  I'm working with them as we speak.
[00:27:44]  They know how I feel.
[00:27:46]  I just want them to be as good as they can be and remember who they work for.
[00:27:50]  And that's all he can do as a reporter and a columnist.
[00:27:55]  You know, it's sad to me.
[00:27:56]  The general crime wave, put aside the anti Semitic part, Toronto is in its worst crime wave, I think, in history.
[00:28:02]  Just in terms of, quote, regular crime, we all laughed at that clip of the officer giving advice to homeowners to put their key fobs near the doors so the home invaders don't have to search through the whole house.
[00:28:14]  It's changing the nature of the city and of the country.
[00:28:19]  And I look south of the border, I look to the New York Police Department, which is really one of the most well known.
[00:28:25]  And in many ways, most trusted and most beloved police forces in the world.
[00:28:30]  It's actually also a major counterterrorism police force, obviously in New York City, the place where the 9 11 attacks.
[00:28:38]  And I'm worried that it too will be transformed by its anti police mayor who has been accused of Islamism.
[00:28:48]  His wife certainly has made extreme comments.
[00:28:51]  I'm really worried.
[00:28:53]  And when I grew up, Everyone trusted and respected and looked up to the police.
[00:28:58]  And that's that Robert Peel's rules of policing to be a, you know, have the consent of the community, the support of the community.
[00:29:06]  And you are just a spokesman of the community, really.
[00:29:08]  The police is the expression of the community's will.
[00:29:12]  And when there's a difference between the police agenda and the community agenda, that's when things fall apart.
[00:29:17]  And I'm really worried about that.
[00:29:19]  That's one of the things in Canada, you know, the Mountie was our symbol, trustworthy, uncorruptible.
[00:29:25]  And I really feel like we're losing that.
[00:29:28]  I like the fact that you've got the police beat.
[00:29:31]  I like the fact that the police know you give them a fair shake.
[00:29:34]  So the good cops still talk to you.
[00:29:36]  Well, and there are more good cops than ones that are trouble.
[00:29:40]  And even some of the ones that get into trouble are, you know, they're people, human beings.
[00:29:46]  You know, there's many cases.
[00:29:47]  I mean, the case of the exam cheating, where you had one officer giving minority officers all the answers before the questions.
[00:29:56]  And of course, there's not a lot of ramifications for that, but, you know, that's a pretty serious thing to do.
[00:30:00]  I mean, police service, you know, I think it was the most racist part of it was actually that senior officer thinking that those young men and women couldn't pass the test themselves.
[00:30:11]  I mean, that's what shocked me the most.
[00:30:13]  I would think that, you know, if somebody gave me the answers to the question, I would say, well, no, I'll answer the questions because I can answer them.
[00:30:20]  I'm ready for this.
[00:30:21]  I want this job or this promotion because I bloody well earned it, as opposed to, yeah, I don't think I can handle it.
[00:30:28]  But you've got these kinds of things.
[00:30:30]  So you've got this kind of, Mentality there.
[00:30:32]  Another officer, you know, that goes to an accident scene and drives her relative home.
[00:30:38]  So that doesn't happen to David Menzies.
[00:30:40]  He gets his head slammed into the wall.
[00:30:42]  So, you know, if we don't point these things out, we do it at great risk.
[00:30:47]  I mean, if they want to come and, you know, do whatever they do.
[00:30:51]  But the reality of it is that, like, they're not gods over there.
[00:30:54]  They're there to protect us.
[00:30:56]  You know, you mentioned Robert Peel.
[00:30:57]  So, Robert Peel, I thought a lot about that over the years.
[00:31:01]  I mean, it started really around the G20 time when I saw what went on there.
[00:31:06]  And then, you know, and of course, there's been many great things as well.
[00:31:09]  Even now, there's some really interesting investigations going on, and you got to give them full marks for those things.
[00:31:14]  But I think the Sir Robert Peel thing needs to be dusted off.
[00:31:17]  And I think what you'll see in the next 50 years, if it continues along this route, where you've got to basically leave your keys so they can steal it without hurting you.
[00:31:28]  And that's what's happening.
[00:31:29]  There's 35 cars a day that are stolen in Toronto, and it's about maybe 55 or 60 every day and around the GTA.
[00:31:37]  And they've done a better job of catching some of these guys, but it's still there.
[00:31:42]  You're going to see a different model of policing where a place like that mall, the Fairview Mall, Cadillac Fairview, they'll have their own police service, like you see in the US.
[00:31:51]  They'll be armed and they'll be a unit.
[00:31:54]  They will have a liaison with the Toronto police or the Peel police if it's square one or whatever.
[00:31:59]  It won't be sitting duck guards.
[00:32:01]  We had a security guard that was shot.
[00:32:04]  In the midsection here at Fairview Mall just this week.
[00:32:10]  And he's in stable condition now, and they're looking for the suspect.
[00:32:15]  But can you think about the escalation?
[00:32:17]  And to your point earlier, as how people gloss that over, like, oh, well, think about that.
[00:32:22]  Every day there's new citizens.
[00:32:25]  Guys shot because some thug comes in to steal jewelry.
[00:32:30]  I mean, that is really provocative and disturbing.
[00:32:34]  So, I think the Peel model is going to have to be reformed.
[00:32:39]  It can't just be that.
[00:32:40]  And the other thing is, I've said this before the police officers make more than double, triple more than the people that they're policing.
[00:32:47]  And that's a problem, too.
[00:32:48]  The chiefs of police are all up in 500,000 plus.
[00:32:51]  Some of them are 600,000.
[00:32:53]  So they're kind of like TV actor stars or sports stars.
[00:32:59]  They're making that kind of money.
[00:33:01]  I don't mind if you earn that kind of money on the private sector.
[00:33:05]  If you're good at something like Elon Musk and you can make a trillion dollars.
[00:33:10]  Go and do it.
[00:33:11]  But on a public job, when your job is to do a policing job, it's no, it's, you know, being a plumber or more than what the prime minister jobs, right?
[00:33:20]  And, and so, so, you know, I think that when, you know, that's one thing that the police should make a very, very fair living.
[00:33:28]  But when they're making more, a lot more, three times more, 10 times more, the people they police it, it's just an untenable situation.
[00:33:35]  I don't think they want to get their hands dirty with some of it.
[00:33:38]  And I think that's a problem too.
[00:33:39]  But we're not going to solve it all.

=== Quebec Arson and Genocide (03:40) ===

[00:33:42]  But the one thing about back to the anti Semitism.
[00:33:45]  You know, we can do something about that.
[00:33:47]  And that would start with, and I haven't seen any reaction at all.
[00:33:49]  We'll see.
[00:33:50]  We'll give it a few days, I guess.
[00:33:52]  But, you know, if someone came to you, Ezra, and said, look, inside of your unit, you've got anti Semitism and it's a really serious thing, and the things that Hank and Zynga said were said, they were said.
[00:34:04]  You say, oh, well, you know what?
[00:34:05]  No, I'm denying that and I'll live in denial and, you know, head in the sand and not worry about it.
[00:34:10]  Or do you say, you know what?
[00:34:10]  We'll get to the bottom of that, give a fair hearing to those that are, you know, receiving these, um, Allegations or that kind of thing.
[00:34:19]  But we're going to look into it because it's in the best interest of the city, the company, whatever.
[00:34:25]  That's not happening.
[00:34:26]  I mean, it's nothing.
[00:34:27]  But if it was David Menzies or yourself, it would be happening.
[00:34:31]  Well, listen, it's great to connect with you, my friend.
[00:34:32]  Keep up the great work at the Toronto Sun.
[00:34:35]  And I think the first part of solving a problem is exposing the problem, is telling people about the problem.
[00:34:43]  And I think that's something you do very well.
[00:34:45]  And we try and do here.
[00:34:47]  And other media, like the Toronto Star, there's that joke they cover the story.
[00:34:51]  Yeah, they cover it with a pillow until it stops moving.
[00:34:54]  I mean, sometimes the worst abuses in this country are deliberately unreported.
[00:35:01]  By the regime media because they don't want to expose issues, whether it's anti Semitic.
[00:35:06]  I mean, I don't think any of these problems are going to get better until we stop mass immigration.
[00:35:10]  That's where I'm coming from on that stuff.
[00:35:12]  I think everything else is just an incidental to that.
[00:35:15]  But I think, you know, just on the mass immigration thing, I mean, look, there's in the Trudeau era is where it really went wrong.
[00:35:23]  This is my view of it.
[00:35:24]  And I have studied it closely is that you said this country is, you know, racist.
[00:35:30]  It's all these homophobic things.
[00:35:32]  It's a horrible country.
[00:35:35]  And when you come here, you should hate it.
[00:35:37]  And in fact, don't even put your own flag up and do your own thing.
[00:35:40]  This country doesn't, it's a post national state.
[00:35:42]  It sucks.
[00:35:43]  That was the prime minister said.
[00:35:45]  Yeah.
[00:35:45]  And he's accused us of genocide, too, by the way.
[00:35:48]  You know, and genocide.
[00:35:49]  And they lied about all that stuff.
[00:35:50]  I mean, you know, talking about the residential schools again, there's a lot of anti Catholic, anti Christian stuff.
[00:35:56]  I mean, you talk about it.
[00:35:57]  You went down to cover the church in Quebec, which, you know, again, that's where I got my coverage from you for doing that.
[00:36:04]  And I haven't really.
[00:36:07]  I covered the church here that burned in Toronto, St. Anne's Church.
[00:36:11]  That was an arson as well.
[00:36:12]  I mean, you hardly even know about it, but it was.
[00:36:14]  And we don't know what happened in Quebec, but it looks like it was an arson from what I've heard from your coverage and from making my own calls.
[00:36:21]  And so, you know, when you tell people that Christianity is bad or all the things that you mentioned before about the genocide that didn't happen at the residential schools, you know, you can see why they've sort of opened the lane for people.
[00:36:37]  To feel that they can do what they want.
[00:36:39]  And, you know, I think there's a lot of these things that we're seeing with these charges with the Southern Poverty Law Center.
[00:36:46]  I've always felt that this kind of stuff is going on around here where people are being funded to do these things.
[00:36:52]  It's hard to prove, but you certainly see some of the strategies and, you know, these kinds of things.
[00:36:59]  So, you know, it's important work that I think that you do, that we all do, which is, you know, it's a little different, say, for Rebel than it is for the Toronto Sun, obviously.
[00:37:09]  One is sort of a corporate mainstream media, which is what I work for, and independent media, what you do, or what Kareem Assad does out there.
[00:37:19]  I think you need all of it, though, and I think the public needs all of it.

=== Public Promises Looked Sure (01:17) ===

[00:37:22]  You need to be true to it.
[00:37:25]  I come out of a generation, I've been a reporter and a columnist for 40 years.
[00:37:30]  You know, I came out of college in 1986, and since then I've been the same.
[00:37:36]  I'm a little heavier and older, but I just approach every story exactly the same way.
[00:37:42]  And, you know, it's interesting to see who likes it and who doesn't like it.
[00:37:46]  And sometimes the same people are on both sides at some point because over 40 years, you're going to piss people off.
[00:37:51]  But that's how I approach it.
[00:37:54]  Call balls and strikes like a good umpire or a good referee in hockey, you know, call it fair.
[00:37:59]  And that's what I try to do.
[00:38:02]  And on this case with Henkin Zynga, I think someone like that is saying the things that he is saying.
[00:38:09]  Somebody should say, you know what?
[00:38:11]  We're going to take a look at that.
[00:38:12]  And we'll make sure that for you, the public, that it's looked into.
[00:38:16]  We promise because we care about you.
[00:38:18]  We work for you.
[00:38:19]  That's what it's about.
[00:38:21]  Joe, great to see you again.
[00:38:22]  We got to end it there.
[00:38:24]  And folks can check out Joe on Twitter, which is where I follow him mainly, but also, obviously, his columns in the Toronto Sun.
[00:38:32]  Well, that's our show for the day.
[00:38:33]  Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, good night and keep fighting for freedom.