Rebel News - EZRA LEVANT | Chinese EV deal raises alarm for Canada’s auto industry
Aired: 2026-04-01
Duration: 38:48


=== Chinese Cars in Chrysler Factory (08:22) ===

[00:00:00]  Hello, my friends.
[00:00:01]  Very strange story today.
[00:00:02]  I read about in Bloomberg about a plan to take over an empty Chrysler factory in Canada and turn it into a factory making Chinese vehicles.
[00:00:14]  What would that do to our access to the U.S. market?
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[00:01:23]  Tonight, what happens if Mark Carney lets the Chinese auto industry into Canada?
[00:01:29]  It's April Fool's Day, and this is the Edge Levant show.
[00:01:47]  It's April 1st.
[00:01:48]  That's April Fool's Day.
[00:01:49]  You know, the world is so crazy as it is.
[00:01:53]  I mean, every day could be April Fool's Day.
[00:01:56]  I note that April Fool's Day is the day every year that members of parliament give themselves a pay raise.
[00:02:02]  So, yeah, we're the ones being fooled.
[00:02:05]  Anyhow, I have a deadly serious story for you today.
[00:02:07]  It's sort of interesting.
[00:02:09]  It's about the auto industry, which is sort of the second largest exporter to the United States and the one that's most in jeopardy.
[00:02:17]  Oil is by far the number one export, oil and gas, that we send to the States.
[00:02:22]  And really, I don't think that's in jeopardy.
[00:02:25]  I mean, there's, I think, a 10% tariff on oil and gas, but it has to be kept more or less at world prices.
[00:02:31]  By the way, it's usually sold at a discount to world prices because there's nowhere else we can send it because we don't have enough pipelines to blue ocean water.
[00:02:40]  Anyways, let me read you a story.
[00:02:42]  In Bloomberg about the auto sector.
[00:02:45]  The headline I saw today was Stellantis in talks to make Chinese electric vehicles at Idle Canada plant.
[00:02:54]  Now, Stellantis, if you don't know, it's a major auto manufacturer.
[00:02:57]  It's really the new name for Chrysler.
[00:02:59]  Used to be called Daimler Chrysler.
[00:03:01]  They've built cars in Canada for 100 years under various names.
[00:03:04]  They have about 10,000 workers, a little bit less than that in Canada.
[00:03:07]  It's pretty big.
[00:03:09]  Not as big as oil sands companies like Suncor, which has around 15,000 workers or Canadian Natural Resources, which has about 10,000.
[00:03:18]  It's about the size of Syncrude, which has about 8,000.
[00:03:21]  You can see my point I'm trying to point out that the oil sands are a much larger employer and they don't need annual bailouts or government money.
[00:03:29]  And yet the federal government has done everything they can to kill those jobs for the past 10 years.
[00:03:34]  But back to Stellantis.
[00:03:35]  And I hope those Stellantis jobs remain in Canada.
[00:03:38]  Of course I do.
[00:03:39]  But look at that story again.
[00:03:41]  I want to read it to you.
[00:03:43]  I won't read the whole thing, but I'll read part of it to you.
[00:03:45]  It's about China looking to move in on the Canadian market.
[00:03:48]  And of course, this could only happen with Mark Carney's seal of approval.
[00:03:52]  Stellantis NV is discussing options for building electric vehicles in Canada with its Chinese partner.
[00:03:59]  Zhejiang Leap Motor Technology Company, according to people familiar with the matter, a sign of how quickly the auto industry is being reshaped after Canada opened the door to companies from the world's largest car market.
[00:04:13]  You know, it's so funny they called China the world's largest car market.
[00:04:16]  I'm sure it's true, but there is zero chance that any cars made in Canada would be sold there.
[00:04:21]  And I mean zero.
[00:04:22]  That will never happen.
[00:04:24]  So it's all about what they can get from us, not about what we can get from them.
[00:04:27]  Let me keep reading.
[00:04:29]  I mean, I just want to say the obvious.
[00:04:32]  This came about.
[00:04:33]  Because of Mark Carney's visit to China earlier this year, a few months ago, he opened the door to all this.
[00:04:39]  I don't know how this works.
[00:04:41]  I thought he was going there to try and get China to buy Canadian things.
[00:04:44]  Isn't that what Mark Carney says?
[00:04:46]  We need to find other markets besides the United States.
[00:04:49]  We need to double our other markets, which still is such a fraction, even if we did double it, of what we sell to America.
[00:04:56]  But isn't the whole idea what Bloomberg alluded to there is the world's largest market?
[00:05:01]  Don't we want to sell to them as opposed to buy from them?
[00:05:06]  I mean, he came back with them extracting a promise from him to allow 49,000 Chinese made cars into Canada every single year.
[00:05:17]  And that number actually goes up.
[00:05:19]  So the jobs are in China.
[00:05:23]  They would take up our market.
[00:05:24]  Canadians would apparently buy these 49,000 cars.
[00:05:28]  And since Chinese cars aren't allowed into the United States, it 100% would become coming at the cost of Canadian auto sales.
[00:05:36]  It's not like these cars could be sold to anyone else other than Canadians.
[00:05:40]  Here's the U.S. ambassador talking about those cars with me last week.
[00:05:45]  I think it's those cars can come in from China, come into Canada.
[00:05:51]  They're not going to cross the border into the U.S. China's imports brought to you through Canada into the U.S., Chinese imports, that ain't going to happen.
[00:06:05]  The Canadians are going to buy, if anybody buys those cars, it's going to be Canadians.
[00:06:11]  And they'll, you know, you guys will have to take a look at it.
[00:06:15]  I'm rather a simple guy on some of this stuff.
[00:06:18]  It's kind of like, okay, if you're buying 49,000 cars that are made in China, that means that you're probably not going to be buying 49,000 cars that were built in Ontario.
[00:06:32]  Okay, that's a Canadian decision.
[00:06:36]  49,000 cars is not enough cars to build a factory.
[00:06:43]  Again, I'm a marketing guy.
[00:06:45]  I'm not an engineer.
[00:06:47]  But my understanding in talking to folks in the auto industry is that if you really want to build to scale a car plant, you know, where the efficiencies and all of that, you got to be at least at a quarter of a million cars.
[00:07:03]  Okay?
[00:07:04]  You're not going to build a factory for, maybe the Chinese will, but you're not going to build a factory to build 49,000 cars.
[00:07:12]  But those are decisions that Canada has to make.
[00:07:15]  You had other factors in play, like exports of canola that played into this and other tariffs.
[00:07:28]  But we're not going to get involved in that.
[00:07:30]  But we know that we're not going to open the floodgates to have Chinese cars coming into the U.S. from Canada.
[00:07:38]  That ain't going to happen.
[00:07:41]  And so, from a security standpoint, You know, with the technology that they now have built into cars, you know, and I think the, you know, some insurance companies or some states are looking at, you know, when you go out and buy your license plates, it's going to be Dependent on how many miles you drive per year.
[00:08:03]  And that number is not going to be derived from a form that you fill out that says, oh, I drove 11,500 miles last year.
[00:08:12]  It'll come from some data that they're getting that has tracked your car for the last year.
[00:08:17]  And they said, yeah, you said you drove 11,500.

=== Colonizing Canada's Auto Market (08:40) ===

[00:08:22]  We're tracking it.
[00:08:23]  You drove 13,321 miles, and here's exactly where you went.
[00:08:29]  And so, I would expect coming out of the intelligence world that that little car driving around from China is a great gobbler of data and information.
[00:08:51]  It's consuming and getting information, and at times it will be sending information.
[00:09:01]  By the way, I noticed that today the Wall Street Journal China refers to my conversation with the ambassador about that point.
[00:09:09]  And Bloomberg has done two news stories about that comment from the ambassador, which is funny because no other mainstream media in Canada has even referred to the interview.
[00:09:17]  They would rather not tell their customers the news than to tip their hat to Rebel.
[00:09:22]  Isn't that interesting?
[00:09:23]  The Wall Street Journal and Bloomberg don't care about Rebel news, they have no Rebel derangement syndrome.
[00:09:27]  So they're happy.
[00:09:28]  I mean, the Wall Street Journal China, that's a pretty big newspaper.
[00:09:31]  That is the newspaper in China read by anyone.
[00:09:35]  From the West, any Western expats, anyone.
[00:09:38]  It's sort of the bridge newspaper between China and the United States.
[00:09:42]  Anyway, I thought it was pretty cool that it was in there.
[00:09:43]  Now, back to the deal that Mark Carney is trying to get, I just don't understand it.
[00:09:49]  Like I say, I thought we wanted them to buy stuff from us.
[00:09:54]  I thought these missions were about.
[00:09:56]  I think China does want to buy things from us, mainly oil and gas and other raw materials.
[00:10:02]  But like South Korea and Japan, they were told no by the liberals.
[00:10:08]  It was Trudeau who told them, and Carney, who was Trudeau's economic advisor for half a decade, who said, No, we're not going to build another pipeline to the West.
[00:10:17]  There's no business case.
[00:10:18]  Remember, they said that.
[00:10:19]  So, we don't really have any more sales of anything to China, but we are going to buy 49,000 spy mobile electric vehicles from them.
[00:10:28]  And now we're contemplating letting them build those cars here.
[00:10:33]  Let me read some more.
[00:10:34]  The talks are in an early stage, said the people who asked not to be identified, discussing information that's not public.
[00:10:40]  If the companies proceed, it would be the first major Chinese auto investment in Canada since Prime Minister Mark Carney reached an agreement with President Xi Jinping in January to reduce tariffs on Chinese made EVs.
[00:10:51]  As part of that deal, Carney's government said it wanted to attract new Chinese joint venture investment with trusted partners in the Canadian auto sector within three years.
[00:11:01]  Hey, I got to ask you, what is a trusted partner?
[00:11:04]  Trusted by whom?
[00:11:06]  I mean, every major company in China is controlled by the Chinese Communist Party.
[00:11:10]  That's just how it is.
[00:11:11]  It's like in the former Soviet Union or in Cuba today.
[00:11:14]  So, what does trusted mean?
[00:11:16]  Do you trust the Chinese Communist Party on anything from quality control to industrial espionage to sanctity of contracts?
[00:11:25]  They don't have independent courts in China.
[00:11:27]  To even letting Canadians work in these plants.
[00:11:30]  When China invests somewhere in a third country, they typically insist that it's their own countrymen who do the construction and the operation.
[00:11:39]  Will there even be any jobs for Canadian auto workers here?
[00:11:43]  Or is there going to be Chinese nationals working in a car plant that?
[00:11:47]  Has been emptied out of Canadians.
[00:11:51]  Well, Melanie Jolie, who makes Trudeau look like a PhD, said this about that We believe that these great Canadian champions can partner with Chinese EB companies to make a Canadian Chinese car to export it around the world, Jolie told Bloomberg News in February.
[00:12:09]  Do you really think that's going to happen?
[00:12:12]  She said any Chinese auto production in Canada may have conditions around it to address concerns about software security, jobs, and parts suppliers.
[00:12:21]  We think we're able to have labor standards that are in conformity with what we accept and expect in Canada, and that there can be local supply chains in Canada that are created out of these investments.
[00:12:30]  Hey, do you think you can make a Chinese car?
[00:12:33]  In Canada with Canadian labor, Canadian parts, and be able to export it from Canada to the world, except for to the United States, and to be able to compete with the exact same car being made in China by Chinese labor under Chinese conditions.
[00:12:50]  That is, no unions allowed, no environmental, no health care.
[00:12:54]  So I say again, other than the Canadian market, these cars cannot go anywhere.
[00:13:00]  They can't go into the United States.
[00:13:01]  So do you really think a Chinese car made in high cost Canada?
[00:13:07]  Is going to be able to beat the sales of a Chinese car made in low cost China anywhere in the world?
[00:13:13]  I just don't get it.
[00:13:15]  What do you think?
[00:13:17]  I mean, they just have two possible buyers Canadians or foreigners other than the US.
[00:13:20]  Here's that Bloomberg story mentioning my interview with the ambassador again.
[00:13:24]  Those cars can come in from China, come into Canada, but they're not going to cross the border into the US, Hookstra told Canada's Rebel News.
[00:13:32]  That ain't going to happen.
[00:13:34]  It was unclear whether he meant that Chinese cars legally imported into Canada would be denied the US paperwork needed for resale in the US.
[00:13:41]  Barred entirely from going across the border, or subjected to other administrative hurdles.
[00:13:46]  Yeah, I mean, the idea makes no sense here.
[00:13:49]  If you're a Canadian autoworker, it makes less sense even than zero.
[00:13:52]  It makes no sense if you want to keep access to the U.S. market.
[00:13:56]  I mean, factories only make sense with that U.S. market in mind.
[00:13:59]  That's something Ambassador Hookster, who's from Michigan, said to me.
[00:14:03]  Take a look.
[00:14:04]  I wonder if you can answer this for Canadians who love those jobs and love the industry and love how it's been for so long, is there a future?
[00:14:12]  For car factories on the Canadian side?
[00:14:16]  Or is it inevitable that they become repatriated down to Michigan, Ohio, other places?
[00:14:21]  It's not inevitable.
[00:14:23]  Okay.
[00:14:23]  It's, you know, we get, depending on the year, I think it's like 400,000 to 600,000 cars more imported in from Canada than what we export to Canada.
[00:14:36]  Okay.
[00:14:38]  Canada's not our problem with autos.
[00:14:42]  Okay.
[00:14:44]  You have a phenomenal story.
[00:14:47]  To tell to our US trade rep about here's why Canada deserves to be in the lowest tariff bucket in terms of doing trade with the United States.
[00:15:05]  We're awesome at making car parts.
[00:15:11]  We have similar labor laws, similar wage scales, technology, and all of that.
[00:15:19]  You know, so we can integrate with your auto industry, which you've done, okay?
[00:15:27]  You know, for rebuilding the auto industry, you don't start with Canada, okay?
[00:15:37]  Cars going across the border, 50, 75% U.S. content.
[00:15:41]  Those are the kind of cars we like coming in, okay?
[00:15:45]  To fix the car issue in the U.S., and the reason we got it, we want, A car industry is because it was the car industry that mobilized for World War II.
[00:15:56]  It was a car industry that actually mobilized Ford, I think, started making.
[00:16:02]  These ventilators during COVID.
[00:16:05]  You need the heavy industry.
[00:16:07]  Yeah.
[00:16:07]  And so they're making cars one day and the next day they've taken a line, or I'm sure it's not a line, but they've taken a lot of their engineering capability and all that and said, okay, instead of building an escape tomorrow, you're building a ventilator.
[00:16:23]  And they figured it out.
[00:16:25]  That's why you need and why the president is so insistent on having that capability.
[00:16:30]  But to main that capability, our biggest threats are from.
[00:16:36]  Korea, Japan, Mexico.
[00:16:41]  So we've got to work on those, are the places where you really can move some numbers and getting car production here back into the U.S.
[00:16:49]  And then we've got to figure out what we're going to do with China, because that's the biggest threat.
[00:16:53]  So if you're going to let China colonize Canada's auto market, you're basically saying you're going to cut yourself out of the U.S. market.

=== Proletarian Fight Club Training Youth (15:44) ===

[00:17:02]  All right.
[00:17:03]  I mean, that market has been a source of.
[00:17:06]  Tens of billions of dollars over the 60 plus years since the Auto Pact was signed.
[00:17:11]  I don't know, more than $100 billion net to Canada.
[00:17:14]  So you're going to nuke your access to that market in return for the privilege of making a few Chinese spy mobiles that you can't sell anywhere else.
[00:17:24]  Just crazy.
[00:17:26]  That's what it's like, I guess, when a government centrally plans an economy.
[00:17:30]  That's really no better than Avi Lewis's NDP plan to centrally plan and nationalize grocery stores.
[00:17:37]  Is this the elbows up part or is it the New World Order part?
[00:17:41]  I'm not quite sure.
[00:17:42]  Stay with us for more.
[00:17:43]  Hey, welcome back.
[00:17:54]  You know, Antifa, I've often called them the street teams or the street gangs of the left, as in the paramilitaries of the Liberal Party or the NDP or the socialists.
[00:18:05]  What is not accomplished through them legally and politically, they will accomplish.
[00:18:10]  Through violence.
[00:18:10]  And you might think, oh, Wesher, what are you talking about?
[00:18:13]  Well, I'm talking about things like this.
[00:18:15]  Take a look at this.
[00:18:16]  This is two incendiary devices, smoke bombs, being thrown in a crowded church in Montreal when a U.S. Christian pastor named Sean Feucht came to Canada, found a church that would host him.
[00:18:32]  He has a very musical style for prayer.
[00:18:34]  And an Antifa thug came and threw those smoke bombs, which, if they hadn't been rushed out of the building right away, would have filled it with smoke.
[00:18:41]  Probably turned on the fire sprinklers and wrecked the place.
[00:18:47]  The smoke inhalation could have done damage.
[00:18:49]  And of course, they're fiery devices.
[00:18:51]  They could have burned the place down.
[00:18:52]  To throw two of them in a crowded church is outrageous.
[00:18:57]  We, and by we, I mean Alexa Lavoie, tracked the thrower down, identified him as Gabrielle Lepage, and found out that not only is he an Antifa thug, but he works, as far as we know, to this day at the Department of Defense.
[00:19:12]  In fact, he works at a military base with access.
[00:19:14]  To their confidential equipment, their computer equipment.
[00:19:17]  That's his job.
[00:19:18]  Like I say, the impunity with which he is treated shows that he is an extension of the left.
[00:19:26]  They have a phrase in the left.
[00:19:28]  They say diversity of tactics.
[00:19:30]  What does that mean?
[00:19:31]  That means some people will fight the leftist fight as professors in the classroom.
[00:19:35]  Some will fight it as lawyers in a court of law.
[00:19:38]  Some will fight it as activists on campus or wherever.
[00:19:41]  And some will fight it with knives, with bats, with incendiary devices.
[00:19:47]  Diversity.
[00:19:48]  Of tactics.
[00:19:48]  That's what the left means when they use that word.
[00:19:53]  It goes on in Canada, and I think you know by the fact that we're always hiring security for our reporters, that it is commonplace, especially in bigger centers.
[00:20:01]  Like Toronto, Montreal, and Ottawa.
[00:20:04]  I think it is a major problem, not quite as bad as it is in places like Seattle and Portland and San Francisco, but it's getting there.
[00:20:12]  Now, there are some violent groups on the right as well.
[00:20:15]  And I would refer, or at least violent in their rhetoric and their promotion.
[00:20:20]  I haven't seen them do anything as suspect as throwing incendiary devices.
[00:20:25]  I'm talking about Jeremy McKenzie's successor organization at Diagonal called Second Sons.
[00:20:31]  They're more of a fight club, I think.
[00:20:33]  They make a lot about it.
[00:20:35]  Their paramilitary style training, but to be fair, I haven't seen an instance where the Second Sons has actually gone out and beat someone up, unlike Antifa, thrown smoke bombs, unlike Antifa.
[00:20:49]  Nonetheless, they have been obsessively documented by the CBC.
[00:20:54]  Let me just show you a minute from a recent CBC expose or investigation.
[00:20:59]  I say again, as far as I know, Second Sons has not committed violence, they talk about violence and they certainly are racist, but They have not done what I've just described and what you've seen Antifa doing.
[00:21:11]  Take a look.
[00:21:14]  A Canadian nationalist club called Second Sons is growing across the country, standing for what they say is the birthright of their ancestors.
[00:21:24]  But that's just its public face.
[00:21:26]  On its leaders' personal podcasts and live streams, things are a bit different.
[00:21:31]  The Nazis were right.
[00:21:32]  Yes, violence is the answer.
[00:21:34]  We washed ourselves in nders' blood.
[00:21:37]  We downloaded over 200 episodes of their online shows and analyzed it all.
[00:21:42]  Because if all you see is the group's social media posts where they celebrate veterans and Canadian history, you're only getting half the story.
[00:21:49]  Now, we want to warn you this is graphic stuff.
[00:21:52]  So, why is it that the CBC and the so called hate industry, people like Professor Barbara Perry, who says there are 300 right wing hate groups in Canada, though she refuses to name them, people like the Canadian Anti Hate Network, who receive hundreds of thousands of dollars in funding each year from the Liberal government, but only focus on conservatives or right wingers, Why do they ignore the left?
[00:22:16]  Well, there's a very interesting story in Juneau News by our favorite reporter over there, Melanie Bennett, who has discovered that there is a left wing equivalent to Second Sons, a so called active club where left wingers are taught to fight in a way that suggests that they should be scrutinized, the same way the CBC is scrutinizing the far right active clubs.
[00:22:38]  Joining us now via Skype is Melanie Bennett.
[00:22:41]  Nice to see you again.
[00:22:41]  Thanks for coming back on the show.
[00:22:43]  I'm trying to say that there are groups that have this paramilitary style.
[00:22:48]  On the far right and on the far left.
[00:22:50]  But as far as I know, the only ones who have actually been violent in street gangs are the ones on the left.
[00:22:56]  Are you aware of any right wing groups that are violent, paramilitary style on the street?
[00:23:02]  I just don't know any, and I follow it pretty closely.
[00:23:05]  Well, thank you for being here.
[00:23:08]  A pleasure as always, Ezra.
[00:23:11]  I am not personally aware of right wing groups on the streets fighting.
[00:23:16]  I have seen these videos, promotional videos, and posts from.
[00:23:19]  Second Sons, and I think there's also Nationalist 13, I think they're called so that I mean, these right wing active groups do exist and you know they are organizing politically, and that is a thing that is going on.
[00:23:32]  But no, I have not seen them rush people at protests in the way that we see Antifa doing on a regular basis.
[00:23:40]  And it's not just that, I mean, like the attacks on our reporter Alexis Lavar are insane.
[00:23:45]  We've actually sued the police of Montreal for standing by watching.
[00:23:50]  As Antifa attacks them.
[00:23:52]  And that is a conscious decision.
[00:23:54]  The Montreal police, in fairness, have been sued multiple times by leftist protesters.
[00:23:59]  And in one case, the city.
[00:24:02]  Forced them to settle and paid millions of dollars to the far left street activists.
[00:24:07]  So I think police in Montreal, where they might like to stop Antifa, have basically been told by their bosses to roll over because we'll be sued again.
[00:24:18]  So it's really shocking.
[00:24:19]  And we've had to not only provide Alexa Lavoie with bodyguards every time she goes out because the police are of no use, but we're suing the police.
[00:24:27]  I'll let you know how that goes.
[00:24:28]  But tell me a little bit more about what you've discovered, Melanie.
[00:24:31]  A group called Proletarian Fighting Arts Collective.
[00:24:40]  What's that?
[00:24:42]  Well, the Proletarian Fighting Arts Collective was not my discovery.
[00:24:45]  I'd like to just do a little shout out to an account called Restore Canada who brought that to my attention.
[00:24:50]  And I noticed that it didn't actually get a whole lot of views.
[00:24:54]  So I started looking into this particular group and they appear to be mostly active on Instagram.
[00:25:00]  And from what I can tell, they start in about 2020.
[00:25:03]  So you mentioned the right wing active clubs.
[00:25:06]  When I saw this proletarian fight club, I was kind of surprised because there has been an awful lot of attention on these right wing active clubs.
[00:25:15]  And the attention has been it's not just a physical activity, it's not just sport.
[00:25:21]  They're politically organizing for a particular cause.
[00:25:25]  But this club, the proletarian fighting arts collective, you could say is a left wing active club.
[00:25:29]  They are doing exactly the same thing, and they have been doing since 2020.
[00:25:36]  In the legacy media, whether or not anyone had ever reported on them, because there has been such attention on the right wing version of these.
[00:25:44]  And I didn't find any.
[00:25:46]  And I found that very interesting because as a journalist, when I'm looking things up, I should be able to pick up on the left wing clubs like the Proletarian Fighting Arts Collective.
[00:25:59]  So that suggests to me that perhaps they haven't even bothered to look.
[00:26:03]  Yeah, you know, I think a lot of this, Antifa is much more violent in some parts of Europe.
[00:26:10]  In some parts of Germany, for example, where they sort of began.
[00:26:15]  And some cities, they basically rule the streets in Seattle and Portland.
[00:26:19]  I mean, the mayor, the police chief, they effectively have signed a peace treaty with Antifa, giving them swathes of territory.
[00:26:29]  You might remember when they had sort of this zone, this collective zone, where a territory, I think they called it the Chaz, I forget what that stood for.
[00:26:39]  They literally ceded.
[00:26:41]  Blocks of territory to Antifa, as it sort of reminds me of the Batman movie and where Gotham was handed over to Bane.
[00:26:52]  Do you have any evidence that these proletarian fighting arts collectives, this left wing fight club, do we know if they have actually done violence or are they?
[00:27:04]  Because it's easy to talk tough online.
[00:27:06]  Half the fun of being online is you can escape your reality and become.
[00:27:12]  You know, a fantasy role player.
[00:27:14]  You can be a little tougher online than you are in real life.
[00:27:17]  Do we know if these left wing fight clubs actually do meet?
[00:27:21]  Do we know if they actually do train?
[00:27:23]  And have they ever punched someone?
[00:27:26]  I don't think that there's any evidence at all that this particular group have gone out onto the streets to cause violence.
[00:27:34]  However, the reason that I feature them is because of the parallel between the right wing active clubs and completely ignoring this club because it seems to be an utter parallel.
[00:27:42]  So, for example, the right wing active clubs, one of the complaints by Legacy Media is that they were.
[00:27:47]  Politically organizing.
[00:27:48]  Now, if you go through the Instagram, there are many posts that talk about, quote, political education, political education organizing, for example, also, quote, community defense and collective power.
[00:28:00]  So that's very, very similar to the right wing clubs.
[00:28:03]  But in the video of the CBC little mini clip documentary, they talk about how, well, these groups, you know, they're saying on their social media that they don't attack first.
[00:28:12]  And then you look here at the left wing clubs, the proletarian fighting art club, and they say on a number of occasions throughout that they're learning to fight individually and collectively, they said, but also that they're training to, quote, overcome passivity amongst other sections which talk about proactive fighting.
[00:28:30]  So, for example, they say in one post, quote, we at the PFAC would never advocate for waiting.
[00:28:36]  For a known and certain aggressor to attack you.
[00:28:39]  And so there's all kinds of posts like this.
[00:28:40]  So they do, in other words, punch first.
[00:28:42]  That's what they're telling their members to do.
[00:28:46]  They do meet regularly in Scarborough, in the McCowan Road area, I believe.
[00:28:52]  They have been for some time.
[00:28:54]  They're also associated with multiple, I mean, being socialists and left wing, they're not acting on their own, they're not individualists, they're collectivists.
[00:29:01]  And so they do work with and advocate with many other organizations, some tenant.
[00:29:08]  Collectives, but also the BDS movement.
[00:29:11]  They're very close with the Toronto Palestinian families, who's been controversial, but also multiple other pro Palestinian organizations causing some trouble on the streets.
[00:29:21]  And so, whilst there's no credible evidence that the people of this collective are themselves engaging in violent action on the streets, it could be the case, given the people that they are absolutely associating with and their propensity to encourage their members to be proactive.
[00:29:37]  Yeah, you know what?
[00:29:38]  There's two visions I have in my brain when I think of left wing activists.
[00:29:42]  The first is what we saw out in force at the NDP leadership convention over the last few days, which is absolute clownishness, people who revel in being losers and seeking equity and their disability that or their pronouns this.
[00:30:01]  Like, really, people who I think would not be a physical threat to anyone other than to themselves.
[00:30:10]  They're sort of laughable.
[00:30:12]  However, you put those people in a mask and cover them head to toe in the black block style, suddenly some of them find a little bit of courage.
[00:30:21]  Like if you actually see Antifa thugs who are unmasked, they're sort of losers, but then they get this strength from their anonymity, from their uniform, and from their collective action.
[00:30:31]  I was in Portland when Andy Noh was suing some of the Antifa who almost beat him to death.
[00:30:37]  And as individuals without their masks on, they are as laughable as the NDP we all saw on TV.
[00:30:43]  But you put masks on them and Make them anonymous, they can get violent.
[00:30:48]  But I want to touch on something you just said.
[00:30:50]  They have made alliances with foreign nationals who are pushing pro Hamas, pro Iran lines.
[00:30:57]  And my personal observation is those people are lawbreakers every time they go out, whether it's uttering threats, mischief, vandalism, harassment, trespass.
[00:31:08]  You know, in Toronto recently, there's been three synagogues and a consulate shot all within a week.
[00:31:13]  So I think on the one hand, this is sort of.
[00:31:17]  LARPing, live action role playing, where they're sort of playing tough guy.
[00:31:21]  It's easy to do on Instagram.
[00:31:23]  But it wouldn't surprise me if some of them actually go out and do, at the very least, vandalism.
[00:31:28]  And I don't know.
[00:31:29]  I don't know who's behind shooting these synagogues, and the police haven't told us yet.
[00:31:33]  I don't know.
[00:31:34]  What do you think about that?
[00:31:35]  The intersection, the Red Green Alliance, the communist Canadians, and the Islamist foreigners.
[00:31:43]  Listen, I'm not a fan of politically.
[00:31:47]  Organizing far left or far right groups training to fight.
[00:31:52]  Sometimes it, I mean, going through this, it felt like perhaps they're training to fight each other, and people like you and me, Ezra, for example, are kind of caught in the crosshairs here.
[00:32:02]  But don't forget, and yes, I do think there's concern of this particular group, especially if we're going to be covering the far left.
[00:32:10]  I am not aware of the right wing active clubs bringing children along to their training.
[00:32:17]  I've not seen that.
[00:32:18]  I mean, it could be, but I have not seen that.
[00:32:20]  But one of the central things that the Proletarian Fighting Arts Collective are doing is regularly training youth, so young children, into this particular ideology to proactively go after the so called fascists.
[00:32:34]  And by the way, It's not just fascists.
[00:32:36]  They, I mean, in their post, they say that they are criticizing liberals, fascists, right wing libertarians, but even social democrats.

=== Undercover Risks for Right Wing Groups (05:00) ===

[00:32:46]  And so they're expanding their spectrum of political ideologies that they're against.
[00:32:54]  And so, you know, who's next?
[00:32:56]  Progressives, other socialists?
[00:32:58]  We don't know.
[00:32:58]  And one of the clips that I found to be concerning about the youth element, the youth faction of the proletarian fighting arts collective, is football games.
[00:33:07]  Sorry.
[00:33:08]  American football, so soccer games being played.
[00:33:12]  And the two teams were communists versus Gaza with some music about liberating Palestine and so forth.
[00:33:19]  And so, you know, that deserves a little bit of attention in and of itself.
[00:33:24]  You know, it's funny, I was just going to say, I'm looking at some of these Instagram posts of the groups who seem to support this fight club, and half of them have Palestinian logos.
[00:33:35]  They have, you know, the map of Israel or the Watermelon symbol, which is the pro Hamas symbol.
[00:33:42]  So I suppose in that way, there's really no difference between Second Sons and the proletarian fighting arts collective.
[00:33:50]  The one thing they can agree on is they don't like the Jews very much.
[00:33:54]  They don't like the Jews.
[00:33:55]  Yeah.
[00:33:56]  Well, do you think this is something that is a real risk?
[00:34:02]  Is this the kind of thing?
[00:34:03]  I'll tell you one thing if these groups were on the right, it would be a top CSIS priority, top research priority, a top media priority.
[00:34:11]  There would be.
[00:34:13]  Undercover police infiltrating, which is probably a good idea.
[00:34:17]  I wonder if any of those responses have come to this group on the left, or like with Gabrielle Le Page in Quebec, if he's, you know, if his crimes are pardoned in advance because he's on the right side.
[00:34:30]  I can't say about risk.
[00:34:32]  I mean, I think I would be speculating, but what I do think is a risk is this growing trend for our national security organizations.
[00:34:42]  Now, whether that be the local police, whether that be You know, the RCMP or CSIS to focus very, very heavily on some groups and not others.
[00:34:53]  When taking this example, taking this article as an example, the parallels between these two different groups are very striking.
[00:35:02]  And I would actually say that to many, to a large degree, the proletarian fighting arts collective is possibly even more worrisome for the mere fact that they advocate very strongly to punch first, as I said, but also that they're training children in this ideology.
[00:35:17]  And they're receiving no attention whatsoever.
[00:35:19]  The advantage of, I guess, having attention on right wing fight clubs, they know they're being watched.
[00:35:26]  So there's an advantage there.
[00:35:27]  They know that they have to be careful.
[00:35:28]  But these guys, they don't care.
[00:35:29]  They know that they're not being watched.
[00:35:31]  They know, for example, their alliances with some very questionable pro Palestinian organizations who have engaged in crimes or have had members or affiliates engage in crimes on the streets over the past few years.
[00:35:43]  They're not being watched.
[00:35:44]  And we see the result of that, whether it was before October 7th, whether it's anyone who was considered.
[00:35:51]  Conservative or a right wing.
[00:35:52]  And let's be honest, I'm not even conservative.
[00:35:54]  I don't even know if I'm right wing, but I've been treated with the same ire from these.
[00:36:00]  Antifa types, right?
[00:36:01]  So anyone they don't like, and after October 7 turned into the Jews and everyone they don't like.
[00:36:06]  So, yes, I do think there's a risk, and I think the risk is heightened by the fact that there's no scrutiny from our police services or national security services on these individuals.
[00:36:17]  At least not that we know of, but if they were doing something undercover, we wouldn't probably know of it.
[00:36:23]  I know that CSIS has had for decades a plan of injecting informants or undercover personnel into anything right wing.
[00:36:32]  I mean, Certainly, they did that at Coots, Alberta, which is how they managed to entrap a number of people there.
[00:36:38]  Well, listen, Melanie, keep up the great work.
[00:36:40]  Love to read it.
[00:36:41]  Junonews.com is the website and look forward to having you on again.
[00:36:46]  Thank you, Ezra.
[00:36:47]  All right, there she is, Melanie Bella.
[00:36:48]  Stay with us.
[00:36:49]  Your Letters to Me next.
[00:36:59]  Hey, welcome back.
[00:37:00]  Your Letters to Me about our interview with the ambassador, S.G. Reed says.
[00:37:06]  I think Pete Hookstra was quite reserved in his statements.
[00:37:09]  I think he held back on what he wanted to say on the way trade talks were going with Kearney.
[00:37:13]  I have to say, I was a little disappointed he didn't take a stronger stand.
[00:37:16]  Well, remember his job title diplomat.
[00:37:20]  His job is to be diplomatic.
[00:37:22]  There were a few things where he said, Oh, look, that's Canada's choice.
[00:37:25]  But there was sort of a look in his eyes of, Well, I hope you make the right choice.
[00:37:29]  We're not going to make the choice for you, but that's your.
[00:37:31]  I mean, remember when I asked him about the F 35 versus the Saab Gripen fighter?
[00:37:36]  He said, Well, you know, it's yours to choose, but here's something to think about.
[00:37:41]  Dennis West says, Hookstress says Alberta can ship our oil through Washington.
[00:37:46]  They will build the pipelines.

=== Diplomat Holds Back on Trade Stand (01:00) ===

[00:37:47]  What does that tell you?
[00:37:48]  The U.S. is easier to deal with than our own fellow provinces.
[00:37:51]  See you in October.
[00:37:52]  Yeah, I mean, I think there are some mayors and governors in the Pacific Northwest that are very environmentalist, like Washington State and Oregon and California are very left wing places, and that's that whole West Coast.
[00:38:06]  But the ambassador sure was positive about it.
[00:38:11]  Look, a company in Saskatchewan called Nutrien just announced they're going to ship through the U.S. because they don't want to go through Canada.
[00:38:18]  Who needs that?
[00:38:19]  Who needs dealing with David Eby and questions about indigenous title?
[00:38:23]  Who needs that?
[00:38:25]  Well, that's our show for the day.
[00:38:27]  Until next time, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, good night and keep fighting for freedom.