Ezra Levant interviews Billboard Chris (Chris Elston), a North American activist opposing "radical trans ideology," crediting his campaign for Trump’s 2024 executive order banning puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones for minors. Elston highlights UK doctor Hillary Cass’s review debunking child transition claims, Alberta Premier Danielle Smith’s controversial ban (extended via notwithstanding clause), and $12B+ in Canadian/US funding fueling trans activism. He contrasts academic-driven pushback with immigrant opposition, framing dissent as a fight against ideological censorship—like Mark Carney’s daughter’s Yale mastectomy—while urging grassroots resilience to counter echo chambers. [Automatically generated summary]
Tonight, a feature interview with Billboard Chris Elston, perhaps the most successful political campaigner in North America.
You're watching the Ezra Levant show.
One of the very first things Donald Trump did after he was sworn in as president the second time is he issued an executive order defending the rights of women and girls in things like sports, in intimate places like change rooms.
He was pushing back against the tide of transgenderism, a very important move and a necessary one because women in those positions are often politically vulnerable.
That is, for example, if they were an athlete who had been training and competing her whole life trying to get on, let's say, the national team, to raise a criticism could mean losing her life's dream.
And it's very difficult to push back against an organized bully, which is really what the transgender movement has become.
Donald Trump took that battle away from millions of girls and women and put it on himself.
And it was an important step forward, but it happened in part, I believe, because the ground had already been shaped.
The battlefield had already been attended to by brave activists who spoke up before Trump made it easy to do so.
And I think one of the entire world's strongest voices is a Canadian who is well known in Canada, but who has taken his blunt, plain-spoken messages around the world to Europe, to the Americas, in many places.
He's always on the go.
In fact, he's joining us now in Canada, but he's off to the States tomorrow.
You know who I'm talking about.
It's Chris Elston, better known as Billboard Chris, and he joins us now from his home.
Chris, great to see you again.
I mean it when I say Trump did the important executive order, but it was politically possible for him to do that in large part because of the groundwork that you and other activists did.
So I guess congratulations are in order.
Yes, thank you.
I think this is the first successful pushback we've really had against much of the left's agenda for probably 60 years since the start of the sexual revolution.
So in addition to defending women and girls in sports, Trump also did a very important thing, which was he pulled federal funding from any hospital engaged in the sex trait modification of children.
Of course, I'm referring to puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones, and surgeries being done on kids who have been taught this ridiculous notion that they were born in the wrong body.
So my message has been consistently, there's no such thing as a transgender child, but the positive message we should be pushing is that our kids are beautiful just as they are.
They don't need drugs or scalpels.
And we're winning all over the world.
Well, that's a good point.
I mean, I know you've attended both the UK and you've been to Ireland.
I think you were actually arrested in Ireland, if I recall.
The UK has also pulled back from some of the insanity.
Their top court said there is such a thing as a biological woman.
They had a famous medical report.
Tell us a little bit about that country because the dominoes appear to be falling, not yet here in Canada, but ironically, some of the other places you've been to, they are starting to reverse course too.
Can you give us an update from the UK?
Sure.
So in the UK, a doctor named Hillary Cass wrote what's called a systematic review where they look at all the scientific literature and they found there was no evidence or there was extremely low quality evidence to support transitioning children.
So they stopped giving kids puberty blockers there.
They went even further in Scotland and they stopped giving them the opposite sex hormones as well.
However, they're going a bit backwards right now, proposing a clinical trial where they're going to give these puberty blockers again to possibly even a couple thousand kids.
So people are trying to stop that in the UK because there is no need for this.
They already have 20 years worth of data.
This trial that they're proposing is only going to be two years long.
They won't even have long-term information from it.
So the fight continues.
But I was also just in Brussels last week speaking at the European Parliament, where on the continent of Europe, they're not making much progress at all.
But I'm teaming up with some American conservative organizations and European conservative organizations to collaborate to help create more awareness in Europe as well.
Well, I'm glad you're doing it.
And in the UK, you have an, I would call, an unlikely ally.
I think the number one voice against this insanity is actually someone who would call herself very much pro-gay, pro-gay rights.
She just believes in your message, which I think is a very powerful one, the very simple message.
No one is born in the wrong body.
So she's against the mutilation of children.
She's also for the protection of women's spaces.
I'm talking, of course, about perhaps the UK's most famous living author, J.K. Rowling.
Have you had any interaction with her?
Because she's so powerful, so culturally powerful, and also she's wealthy, so she's not worried about being canceled.
I think she's really helped move the needle there.
She's made it socially acceptable to oppose transgenderism.
Have you had any dealings with her?
Or like me, you just sort of watch her with admiration?
Yeah, I just watch her with admiration.
I haven't had any dealings with her.
I would love to, but that's fine.
I actually put up a billboard back at the start of my campaign in Vancouver that said, I love J.K. Rowling, following the lead of a woman in the UK who had put up a poster at the Edinburgh train station.
And that poster was taken down after one day because people said it was hate speech.
And of course, here in Crazy Vancouver, the same exact thing happened.
And Sarah Kirby Young, a Vancouver City Councillor, also declared my billboard to be hate speech.
It also lasted just a day.
But I then followed that up with a lot of billboards throughout the United States.
And then because no sign companies would work with me in Canada, I did what any rational person would do.
And I became a human billboard, speaking to people all across the country.
And I haven't stopped.
And it's very successful because every normal person out there, virtually every parent, no matter where they are on the political spectrum, they know their girls are girls and their boys are boys.
And we shouldn't be chemically castrating and sterilizing kids.
So there's wide support for this.
And I wish our politicians in Canada would find a little bit more courage to speak about this because for the Conservative Party, this is a huge winning issue.
I think you're right.
And I was going to mention one more thing.
Amy Hamm, a nurse in Vancouver, supported one of those J.K. Rowling billboards.
And it marked the beginning of a multi-year persecution of her by her own professional association.
She was basically drummed out of a job as a nurse because she had that political opinion, which is just incredible for saying, I love J.K. Rowling.
I mean, just unbelievable.
But back to your human billboard.
When you have to put something in a billboard, I mean, good billboards are less than 10 words long because typically you're driving by.
It's not like a magazine ad where you might stop for a minute and read.
So good billboards are short, understandable.
Sometimes they don't even have any words.
And so when you were forced, I suppose, to wear those sandwich boards and walk around, it really, I think, compelled you to crystallize your message down to the essentials.
And you did it so well in such obvious ways that were so hard to dispute.
I think just merely showing up, and I see other people copying your sandwich boards too.
Give me some of the messages.
I mean, some of them have stuck with me.
Like, my favorite is no one is born in the wrong body.
And it's just such a plain and obvious and moral thing to say.
I think that makes it tough for people to debate with you.
So you often get some hostility.
Tell me about some of the messages you wear and some of the reactions or criticisms they get.
Yeah, my main message is always: children cannot consent to puberty blockers.
And that's obviously nothing hateful.
It's a rather anodyne message.
It might cause confusion in a lot of people.
And for me, that's great because I'm out there to start conversations.
And so if people are a little unsure about what it means, they come up and they ask about it.
And in the beginning of my campaign over five years ago, really, nobody had any clue what puberty blockers were.
Today, the landscape has completely changed.
I get so much support, constant high-fives, people honking their horns, tons of support all over the streets of Canada and even the world wherever I go.
So, really, what I'm out here talking about is the medical abuse of children.
And so, that's my main message.
And then the one I normally have on my back is my definition of a dad, which is a human male who protects his kids from gender ideology.
And I think that serves a couple purposes.
I also have those signs for moms, but part of my campaign is I really want to get the men going because oftentimes with this sort of activism, it's women who are showing up at school board meetings and doing all that sort of thing, and men don't really know what to do.
But I think we really need to fire up the men because men are important.
Our voices are important.
We've been told we don't matter for so long.
And that sign is probably my most popular, I'd say.
You know, there's another place where I think men and sometimes women are absent where they shouldn't be, and that is in change rooms or where their kids are participating in a sport or the change room afterwards, and they see a grown man enter the change room, clearly in bad faith.
Not that there would be a good faith excuse to enter.
And the moms and the dads have been scared into compliance and submission, which is contrary to every genetic instinct we have to protect our children.
Dads, by nature, I think, are protectors.
And moms, you know, we hear the phrase grizzly mom, and there's no more dangerous place in the world than between a grizzly bear and its cubs.
But we've denatured ourselves.
And you sometimes even see moms, I guess, as a psychological coping mechanism.
It's a kind of Stockholm syndrome.
They say, oh, no, we're totally fine with this.
You know that they're doing that so they don't break psychologically.
So when you encourage dads to enter the debate, you are taking aim at the default, which is the government saying, hey, dads, you speak up, your kid is out.
That's right.
Men have actually lost custody of their children for speaking up against this, which is just completely outrageous.
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And you spoke to something very important there.
Natural law.
This wouldn't exist in the natural world.
It wouldn't exist with any other species.
If you come to harm any other species, any cub of any mom or dad, they're going to end you.
But with this, of course, we can't do that because we live in a civilized culture.
So we have to have conversations.
We have to slowly change laws.
But what's going on is egregious child abuse.
It's one of the craziest things that has ever existed in the history of mankind.
And we do just need more people to speak up because right now, still, it's the activists from the left who are pushing this agenda.
They're the loud ones making all of the noise.
And that noise scares people from speaking up.
But we shouldn't be scared.
It doesn't matter what someone says about you.
You know who you are.
Your family knows who you are.
And what the world says about you is unimportant.
So we have to find a little bit more courage and start speaking up for these things that matter.
You know, there's one more thing, and I've said this to you before.
You're networking at a very high level.
I mean, you mentioned you were just at the European Union in Brussels.
I know you've been to places where you've met with policymakers, very senior.
But, and I think this is the source of your strength, if I may say, you're at the exact opposite end of things as well.
You are there on the street for four hours talking to all comers, friendly or hostile.
So you're not out of the loop.
You are the loop.
And tell me a typical day.
Like you take the sandwich boards, you go to like a place where people are not in a super hurry.
Like you go to a, I don't know, like, give me an example of how would you describe it?
Sort of like an outdoor mall or something or a pedestrian street is what I'm saying.
Not a super busy downtown place, but a place where people maybe would stop, like a place where buskers might go.
Tell me how you select where you go and what you do.
Yeah, so I go to a lot of university campuses.
That's my number one destination because for me, universities are ground zero for all of these crazy ideologies being pushed out into society.
These professors, you can't get rid of them, they're tenured.
So the only way to push back and present the alternate narrative on these universities is to be there yourself.
So I do that.
And I'll just go into a busy part of a downtown core.
In Vancouver, I go near the art gallery or the corner of Granville in Georgia where the train station is.
I get people from all walks of life.
People are just out casually relaxing, shopping.
So I just stand there quietly and I wait for someone to come up and speak to me.
For me, this is like fishing.
I don't approach anybody, but it never takes long for the conversations to start up.
And I'll end up speaking continuously for three, four, five hours sometimes, especially when it's busy.
And on a university campus, even if I only talk to 10 or 20 people, the thing that's really powerful about going there is all the other kids on those campuses see me.
So they start having these conversations themselves.
They're texting their friends.
This becomes a conversation topic for a thousand other students at the university.
And then they might go to my website or they might learn more about this.
And I think in any certain geographical area, you can change the conversation very quickly just by being consistent, going outside, being professional, not reacting to the provocateurs, and just having sane, civil conversations.
Well, and that's the thing.
You are an energy absorber.
What I mean by that is you're not coming in, ah, rah, rah, rah, rah.
You know, you're not making things more intense.
You just talk in a calm manner, which I think takes some of the hostility.
I mean, some people would find, I've watched your videos.
I know some people find it infuriating because they're hoping to fight with you.
And you just, you're very methodical.
I mean, here's the thing.
There's no question you haven't been asked before.
You've done hundreds of hours, maybe thousands of hours of this.
Someone who comes up to you with a clever quip, you've heard it before.
So I think you engage with people, you force them to articulate their view.
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Often they realize they just have a slogan with no depth.
And I don't know, I think you actually wind up talking to the most hostile people because they're the ones who want to come over and sort of show you a thing or two.
But I mean, would you agree with me that those are the folks who are often the least intellectually armed and perhaps the most open once you can break through their shell?
If they're thinking about it, if they're angry about it, maybe you can break through and have a convert, an ideological convert.
Does that happen often?
Yeah, it definitely happens.
But most people, when they're really angry, they're not in a mindset where they're willing to receive information.
So my strategy with them is, first I'll say things that they agree with, because that does bring the temperature down, and it also confuses them, because they come into this thinking I'm some Nazi.
How dare I say children cannot consent to puberty blockers?
That's a right-wing fascist talking point, right?
So if I say things like, which are true, that there's no right or wrong way to be a girl or a boy, and we shouldn't put kids in some stereotypical box, they all agree with that.
The most radical activist on the left agrees that stereotypes don't define our kids.
So now I've confused them.
I've created this moment of cognitive dissonance where they have two competing ideas going on in their head.
They have the confused idea that they thought I was some sort of bigot.
And now I'm saying something that they can't help but agree with.
And then I'll just ask them questions because really with these people, you need to get them thinking.
So the Socratic method of debate, asking questions, getting them to think about these terms that they've accepted, ask what does it mean for a girl to be a boy?
And then pause.
You have to allow them to have this time to think.
The whole purpose of a communication is for it to be received and understood.
And if you're just continually shelling a person with information, they don't have any time to process.
So I'll just ask them questions and they might calm down.
They might go home and think about it later.
But really, the majority of the time, I'm speaking with people who do agree with me.
I don't post all those conversations because sometimes I need to protect their identities.
They don't want it to be seen.
Because especially in Canada, we live in an environment where they might lose their job just for agreeing with this simple truth.
Wow.
You know, your project reminds me a little bit of Stephen Crowder, who would set up a desk in a place like a college campus or a public park, and he would have a statement and then say, you know, change my mind.
You know, and he would cover a range of topics.
He might say, you know, we should have no immigration, change my mind.
Like he would have a provocative thing, but invite people to change his mind.
And that does a few things.
First of all, it says, hey, I'm ready to listen to you.
And I'm telling you in advance that there is a possibility I could change my mind if you're persuaded.
It's sort of fun.
Now, I actually bumped into him once in the wild, and he had a lot of security with him.
In this day and age, some people wouldn't want to convince him he's wrong.
They'd want to attack him.
Unfortunately, we live in that era.
You know, Charlie Kirk, his specialty was going into the lion's den and debating all-comers.
And in the end, one of them murdered him, which is just shocking.
But I think what you're doing is sort of a lost art, the lost art of debate, because I'd say about 20 years ago, we stopped debating each other and dissidents were canceled.
They were not invited onto panels.
They were just silenced or canceled or deplatformed or in some cases prosecuted.
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Yes, I've been attacked several times.
I had my arm broken once in Montreal.
I've been arrested, I guess, three and a half times, put in jail twice in Vancouver in the beginning, and recently in Brussels.
And I'm taking legal action against five different Belgian authorities on that one.
I say a half because I was also moved out of a public square in Australia.
I fought back on that in one as well.
So I've dealt with police more than 300 times, to be honest, and I have no charges.
So I know what I'm doing out there, and they don't really have anything that they can do with me when I'm just standing quietly having conversations with those who want to have them.
But it is a dangerous scenario.
We just had a couple kids killed at Brown University this week.
And that one hit home for me because I've spent about five days at Brown.
And it's such a leftist university.
I ran into one of the young women there that was involved in their Republican club a few years ago.
And there's probably only 20 conservatives on that campus.
And now, one, this beautiful young woman with a bright future ahead of her, just had her life tragically ended.
And you know what?
That could be me.
I could be standing on a campus that day when one of these people shows up.
So it hit home.
I need to be careful, but I'm not going to stop doing what I'm doing because thousands of kids are coming to harm and we can't allow violence to silence us.
So I opened a nonprofit in the United States.
Hopefully I'll be able to raise some money in that and hire security from time to time.
But I have other more important things to fund right now.
What's your nonprofit called and how can people visit it?
Like you have a website?
Yeah, it's we speaktruth.com.
It's the We Speak Truth Foundation.
So it's tax deductible for Americans.
It's a 501c3.
Anyone can donate to it, of course, and that does help, but it is just tax deductible for Americans.
And that basically covers your travel costs and things like that?
Yeah, that'll cover my travel security.
We're going to be doing town halls, university speaking events.
Basically, the more money that comes in, the more things we're going to be able to do because I have a lot of great ideas.
I can do a lot more than just stand on the street.
But I need to hire some people, some people who can help with international media, with print media, social media, video editors, things like that.
Now, the 501c3, that's what the IRS tax code calls a charity.
Will you also be doing stuff in Canada?
I'm sure you will.
I just want to confirm that.
So if a Canadian chips in, they wouldn't get a useful tax credit.
But will you still be touring in Canada too?
I will be.
And so this 501c3, it's really for me to continue this fight globally.
So it's not just for work that I do in the U.S., it's for work everywhere.
I probably should open a Canadian nonprofit.
So it's something for me to look at.
It's not on my radar right now, but if there's demand for that, then I would do it for sure.
Well, you're so busy.
I mean, like I say, on the one hand, you have very high-level meetings with policymakers.
On the other hand, you'll literally talk to anyone on the street for half an hour.
You know, I mean, it's quite unusual what you do.
I've got a question for you.
And I was reminded of it the other day when we interviewed someone in Markham, Ontario, who had a fairly thick Chinese accent.
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But she said she was very concerned about out-of-control immigration.
And you might think, well, that's a contradiction.
Well, no, not really.
Because someone who came to Canada legally and is frustrated by the overwhelming and fraudulent asylum seekers, for example, or fake students, they would be mad, even though they themselves are an immigrant.
And I thought, shame on me for maybe having a stereotype that she would not be against immigration.
I mean, I guess because there was some cognitive dissonance.
I got a question for you about this same thing.
And I'm just going to throw it out there.
You tell me if I'm right or wrong.
Some people in Hollywood, I forget the particular star, has two, three trans kids.
And I think, you know, that is not random.
That is the result of a sort of a luxury belief by a white liberal that having a trans kid is sort of something that you show off to friends, like having like a collection or something.
And I want to know if your experience, the people who support transgenderism are sort of well-to-do liberals who have first world problems.
Contrast that with, say, a new Canadian or a new American immigrant, perhaps from an ethnic background, who's more focused on, I got to succeed in America.
I got to succeed in Canada.
I got to pay the bills.
I want to raise my kids and want them to go to a good school.
Like, I just wonder if you see that this is a luxury issue by wealthy Women who lunch, ladies who lunch kind of thing.
I don't know.
I don't think I put my question too clearly to you, but is there.
Go ahead.
Yes, so I basically have 100% support from the immigrant communities, Hispanic communities.
Of course, this isn't happening in the Muslim community at all.
It's not happening in the Chinese community.
It's not happening with the Hispanics.
This is really pushed 90% of the time by young white women.
And I don't even like saying that because I don't want to upset the ladies out there, but it's true.
And so, truth is truth.
All of these young women going to university, taking women's studies or gender studies, as they're now called, feminist studies, they're all coming out of university with the belief that people are transgender and that kids are going to commit suicide if we don't transition them.
They believe puberty blockers are reversible.
They fall for all these lies that are taught to them.
And I understand that because they're being taught by authority figures in their life, university professors.
But this is a suicidal empathy all across the West, not just on this issue, but all sorts of issues.
And unfortunately, empathy often comes from women, and it's a beautiful thing when it's used correctly.
But bad actors are taking advantage of women's natural empathy, and they're lying to them, and they're indoctrinating a generation.
So this is one more reason why it's so important to do this on universities.
Suicidal empathy, that's a phrase Gad Saad uses.
I think you're right.
It's also a kind of projection.
I mean, occasionally you see someone on Instagram or something who says, my dog is vegetarian.
I'm feeding my jog.
And it's projecting, a dog needs meat.
You know, they're called canines.
Our teeth are called canines for a reason.
You know, it's designed to eat meat.
To force a dog to be vegan because you are, I think there's an analogy there.
It's not a very good one.
But you, I think what's happening is these liberal, progressive women want their child to be an expression of their ideology as opposed to the child's own biology.
And as you say, children can't choose puberty blockers.
It's a very crazy thing.
Let me ask you, I started off by talking about how Donald Trump really seized the lead.
And I think that was an issue.
That's one of those 80-20 issues where 80% of people are on the side, even if they're not going to say so out loud.
It cuts beyond partisan divides.
Like, I bet you that the majority of people, even in liberal cities, agrees with this.
And for Trump to come in and be the defender of women was quite something that I think it was, as J.K. Rowling herself noted, it was a missed opportunity for Democrats.
In Canada, there has not been the same courage, except, I dare say, in Alberta under Premier Danielle Smith.
Have I missed someone?
Is there another Premier who's taken a hardline stance?
I think in Nova Scotia, they tried to, but lost an election or something.
Maybe I'm wrong there.
Is there any champion for women's rights in women's spaces in Canada other than Danielle Smith?
Only Danielle Smith.
Really?
Give me your thoughts.
I'm sure you've read her policy.
I wouldn't be surprised if you consulted, if you were consulted on it.
Give me your thoughts on what Alberta is doing.
So Danielle Smith's ban on this is no more puberty blockers or cross-sex hormones for children under 16 years of age.
And I'm glad they're doing this.
It's an improvement.
It is, however, a half measure because we shouldn't be harming all these 16 and 17 year olds either.
They're the only jurisdiction in the world where they, when they put this ban into effect, did it for just kids 15 and under.
And the trans activists get just as mad if you do this for under 19 compared to if you do it for under 16.
So they should just extend that ban to everyone at least 18 and under, in my opinion.
But it is a great first step.
It starts a lot of conversations.
Of course, a judge tried to block this right away.
So she's doing what honestly is one of the best parts of our Charter of Rights and Freedoms, in my opinion.
It's she's invoking the notwithstanding clause.
So the notwithstanding clause enables the premier or the prime minister to basically overrule a judge for five years.
Because we shouldn't be ruled by judges.
When we elect a politician and they put into place policies that we elected them to put into place, we shouldn't have judges stopping that because then that's the end of democracy.
And all of our judiciary has been trained by trans activists to look at this in only one way.
And we have all these human rights codes and we even have federal laws banning parents from protecting their kids.
If the child thinks they're transgender, you're not allowed to say, no, sweetheart, you're really just a girl and we're not going to go along with this.
That could technically have them charged with conversion therapy.
So everything's just upside down.
She's leading the way and hopefully there's a contagion effect to other politicians where they find the courage to tackle this as well.
Well, I want to let you know that Rebel News is the proud publisher of a book called Buck the Rainbow Unicorn.
I don't know if you've heard of that.
Our talent, Lise Merle, has published that book.
And it became the number one best-selling LGBT2QSL book in Canada.
I think some of the people who bought it didn't realize that the book resolves.
I shouldn't give away the spoiler here.
In a way that you, I think, would say, yeah, I mean, you know, kids can be confused for a bit in their life, but don't chop them up because of it.
I won't give away the ending.
But I should tell our viewers, you can find out more at buckthereainbowunicorn.com.
And Chris, I think we'll have to send you a copy.
I'd love for you to review the book.
Anyhow, that was just a little plug forgive me.
I got a question for you.
I remember before Elon Musk took over Twitter, I was careful because I didn't want to, I mean, I got, I don't know, half a million followers on Twitter, which is a powerful tool.
So I didn't want to get suspended unless it was for a very important reason.
And one of the things I noticed is that I would be suspended if I misgendered someone, which means calling a biological male a man instead of what they claim to be, or if I dead named someone, that is, call someone their name that their mama gave them, as opposed to their adopted stage name.
And I want to tell you, Chris, that I've tweeted an enormous amount in my life about every possible subject.
And I can tell you that no other issue, not Islamophobia, not homophobia, not xenophobia, nothing would be as rigorously, vigorously, and speedily attended to other than those trans transgressions.
Like they would catch it within 20 minutes and suspend you.
I've never seen anything so vigorous.
Why and how did the trans lobby become so urgent and powerful?
I just don't get it.
It's like it came out of nowhere 10 years ago, and it became the most vicious censorship force that I experienced.
And believe me, I've experienced a lot of censorship in my life.
Can you explain that for me?
Sure.
So, really, the sexual revolution started 60 years ago, and it wasn't until about 2015 all across the world that they won gay rights.
And so, what happens to all of these nonprofits?
They don't just close the doors, they keep going, and they made their new objective trans rights.
So, we have billions of dollars from all these NGOs, from the UN, from the World Health Organization, from certain billionaires themselves just donating, and of course, from governments.
We have the Canadian government that has sent, I think, about $12 billion overseas on gender equity initiatives.
We have the U.S. government, especially under the Biden and Obama administration, where they were sending tens of billions of dollars overseas to universities, et cetera.
And so this has not been an organic movement at all.
This has been entirely orchestrated and funded in a concerted effort from the left.
And as soon as we start pushing back against it, all of this money and all of this power and all of these zealots start fighting back.
And they don't like losing because they've never lost anything for 60 years.
All they've been doing is winning.
And for the first time, we're actually pushing back on one of their agendas because they went too far.
Saying that children are transgender, that they were born in the wrong body.
Well, all sorts of people from the left don't agree with that either.
But the short answer is there's a ton of money up against us.
Tens of billions of dollars.
And what do we have?
We have parents like myself leading the charge with no money at all.
But we have something they don't have.
We have the truth.
And I always say the truth spreads for free.
And it's going to keep spreading because people know that they've gone too far.
But they conflated the T with the LGB, and that brought them so much success.
It brought them so much money.
And it also brought them fear because they were able to instill fear in anyone who speaks out against it.
But we have to eliminate that because this isn't about gay.
This is about something entirely different.
This is a denial of reality and an attack on our kids.
Yeah.
I could just imagine all the money in the surgeries and the pharmaceuticals and the hormones.
I mean, it is an industry.
Let me ask you one last question.
And I think it's a legitimate story because the person in question told her story publicly, became a bit of an advocate, an activist, a campaigner.
So this was not a private decision by a private person.
This was a decision made by someone and then publicized vigorously by the person in question.
I'm talking about the daughter of Mark Carney.
And I understand from, it was actually our friends over at Juno News who did the story.
That Mark Carney's daughter has gone all the way.
I think she's had the surgery.
You know, and I don't have the story in front of me, but I think she got a mastectomy.
And she's talked about it publicly.
So this is not picking on someone's family.
I don't think it is.
I think it's a reference to an activist who happens to be the daughter of the prime minister, who obviously, I don't know, was fine with it, supported it.
He hasn't really talked about it a lot.
What does it mean that the prime minister's own child went under the most radical trans transformation possible?
Surgery.
So I have a bit of a contrarian take on this for a lot of conservatives.
And I'd say the jury is out on Mark Carney's opinion on this.
Of course, he virtue signals for LGBTQ, et cetera, at press conferences and everything.
But he was asked a question by Juno News leading up to the election.
He was asked, how many genders are there?
And he sort of fumbled his answer like he does.
But then he said there are two sexes, which is actually a good answer.
And then he moved on.
And so I look at this, I try to see the humanity in people.
He's a dad.
His daughter went to the Tavistock when he was the governor of the Bank of England, and he was living in London.
She wasn't medicalized.
She didn't receive puberty blockas across sex hormones at the Tavistock, but she was going there.
This was back when they were also just doing psychological assessments.
And I don't think it's been reported on, but she did receive a double mastectomy when she was at Yale as an adult.
Okay.
And so I think, just from my dad hat, as a father, he cannot possibly like that his daughter had her breasts removed as a young woman.
What dad can like that?
And I just think, given how he's tried to ignore this issue, given the answer to that one question, we don't really know where he stands.
And we have Labour government in England that stopped puberty blockers.
We have the SNP government in Scotland.
These are radical leftist governments where they stopped it.
And sometimes I think maybe Mark Carney, kind of like how he axed the tax when Pierre had been campaigning on axing the tax for three years.
I know he's changed it and done more carbon tax on the industrial side.
But it's not out of the realm of possibility that he would one day say, look at all these systematic reviews, look what they've done in England, look what they've now done in New Zealand.
There isn't evidence for this.
But we just haven't moved the Overton window, I think, far enough in Canada for him to feel comfortable doing that, if that is what he wants to do.
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But it wouldn't surprise me at all because I think all governments in this world are eventually going to come to reason because the more people learn what's going on, this just becomes such a losing issue.
We just need to make it safe sometimes for these politicians to take action.
Yeah.
One last question.
I know I said it already.
But one of the things I like about what you do on the street is I think it can be replicated.
The signs.
Now, you've had an enormous amount of training.
You've figured it out on your own.
You've done hundreds or maybe thousands of hours of it.
But I think someone who was well-informed, who went out there day after day and practiced debating, I think there could be mini-mes.
There could be Chris Elston mini-mis out there.
In fact, I think I've seen other people.
I've seen people with similar signs to you.
Do you ever train people?
Is that something we speak truth.com might do is train people?
Like, I know Al Gore, he had that movie, An Inconvenient Truth, and he would sort of give a PowerPoint lecture about global warming.
And he had sort of a school where he would train other people to give that same presentation in his stead and what the questions and objections are.
So there's only one Al Gore, and he could only be so many events a year.
But if Al Gore could train 100 or 1,000 mini-mes, he could really be a force multiplier, and they would all have the blessing of the great Al Gore.
Is that something you've considered?
Are you just too busy?
Or if you maybe get some dough at we speak truth.com, maybe you could get a little school going or something, like a weekend seminar on how to do it?
I would absolutely do that.
Now, to be honest, street activism isn't for most people.
You have to have a certain innate ability to just take a whole bunch of crap and not react to it.
Because as soon as you start reacting, you're losing.
But what I've been doing this whole time, I consider this campaign an educational campaign.
So I'm always trying to educate people how to talk on this issue.
I record these conversations.
I post them to social media.
They get seen millions of times now.
And that educates people how to talk about this.
So what I do when I do public speaking or whatever, that's what it's always about.
I do think a formal weekend session where I teach people how to handle objections and all that would be beneficial.
But when it comes to the street stuff, that's always going to be a very small handful of people that are comfortable doing that.
But I do encourage it because for me, the reason I started doing that is because we have to get out of our echo chambers.
We can't just do this on social media.
Social media is a terrible place for having conversations.
That's a great place for educating people, but not for having conversations.
And as human beings, we have to get back to natural law again.
We need to talk to people face to face.
That's how we're meant to communicate.
And that's how we do bring about change in the world.
It's always been the way.
It's always been street activism, whether it's Martin Luther King or Mahatma Gandhi or whoever, throughout history, Jesus Christ himself was preaching out on the streets.
So we always have to take this straight to the people.
And the only way to do that is to go outside.
Well, I tell you, you've made an enormous difference, and I think you really have been indispensable in this battle, and you've shown the way.
Congratulations on everything you've achieved.
Good luck in your travels.
I'll keep our eyes peeled for we speak truth.com and for anyone who wants to chip in, I'd encourage them to go there.
In fact, I think I'm going to go there myself.
Chris, good luck.
Thanks for being with us.
Thank you.
All right, there it is.
That's it from all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters.
To you at home, good night and keep fighting for freedom.