Ezra Levant slams Mark Carney’s WEF-backed "stakeholder capitalism," accusing him of imposing arbitrary $60B infrastructure approvals like a "mob boss" while dismissing profitable oil pipelines as "boring." Drea Humphrey’s live clash at Thompson Rivers University over the 2021 Kamloops Band’s false "215 unmarked graves" claim—backed by $12.1M in federal funds—turns hostile, with attendees accusing her of hate while she demands transparency, citing RCMP’s eight-year investigation finding no mass murder evidence. Both segments warn Canada’s economic and cultural narratives risk collapse under unchecked ideological control, urging skepticism toward state-backed claims without proof. [Automatically generated summary]
Businesses need Mark Carney's personal approval before they're allowed to open.
They may be complying with the law.
They may have all the money they need.
But if Mark Carney finds them boring, he won't approve them.
And he doesn't really have any explanation for what he likes and what he doesn't like.
It's all very personal, very third world, you know, El Hefe, the chief.
Well, you have to get the mob boss's approval.
It's very strange.
I think it's going to fail.
It's a managed economy, not a free economy.
I'll take you through his latest statements.
And then later, Drea Humphrey live on location from the interior of BC when, oh, there's a bit of a scrap.
I'm glad we had some security for her because there was some shoving and pushing.
We'll show you that.
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All right, here's today's show.
Tonight, Mark Carney is bringing World Economic Forum-style socialism to Canada, and it's not going to work.
It's November 14th, and this is the Ezra Levant show.
Shame on you, you sensorious thug.
Oh, hi everybody.
I'm sorry I wasn't here yesterday.
I was actually down for a few hours at Mar-a-Lago in Florida.
I had been invited by James O'Keefe, formerly of Project Veritas, now with the O'Keeffe Media Group, or OMG.
He's really, I think, America's leading undercover journalist.
He's built a whole team of undercover journalists exposing scandals.
And yesterday was his citizen journalism gala.
And he invited me to attend.
And I thought, well, I've got to go.
And the fact that it was Mar-a-Lago, I think, was very exciting.
There was a chance the president would be there in the end.
There wasn't, but I still had to provide my details in advance for the Secret Service.
I guess they're always on alert in case Trump does go down to his Florida home.
It was a very fancy event, as you can imagine, it being at Mar-a-Lago.
It was very large.
I didn't count properly, but I'd say there was between 500 and 1,000 people there.
They even had an award ceremony for best citizen journalists.
And some of our friends were there, including Andy No, who, as you know, has been an expert on following Antifa, Savannah Hernandez.
Anyway, it was very interesting to see.
I think I know why he went fancy, Mar-a-Lago, and being, I guess, the fanciest.
I think it's because citizen journalism is looked down on by the establishment, by snobby insiders.
Oh, it's uncouth.
It's uneducated.
Where's your degree?
Who do you think you are?
Know your place.
So a way to combat all that condescension is to go to the fanciest, most powerful place you could think of.
Mar-a-Lago is pretty fancy and powerful.
Well, it's the president's home.
So I think that was a deliberate strategy by James and his supporters to say, no, we're not nobodies.
We're not outsiders.
We are the media now.
And it was exciting.
There weren't, I don't think I saw, I saw one other Canadian down there.
I saw people from other independent media.
It was pretty cool.
I think we should do the same thing in Canada.
And the Independent Press Gallery, I think, should give it a try.
Again, to recognize independent citizen journalism in Canada.
It's not just Rebel anymore, as you know.
There's Juno and Western Standard and Epoch Times.
And then there's lots of sort of one-person operations out there.
It's growing not as densely as in America, but I think having an awards gala would serve the same purpose.
It would recognize the work of independent journalists, and it would maybe give a touch of fanciness if there was a gala with prizes.
Anyway, it's something to think about.
Of course, up here in Canada, there are important things happening.
And in a moment, we'll talk more with Drea Humphrey about what she's been reporting on from British Columbia about the unmarked graves controversy.
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But I can't get over what Mark Carney is saying and doing.
It's actually far worse than I thought it would be.
He is doing exactly what he said he would do when he was a trustee at the World Economic Forum.
The World Economic Forum, you might think, oh, it's capitalist, isn't it?
I mean, all the billionaires go there.
It's George Soros' favorite place.
It's Bill Gates' favorite place.
The world's largest companies are there.
BlackRock and their boss, Larry Fink, is a trustee.
So it would be easy to say those are all capitalists.
That's right-wing, as capitalism is typically called.
But don't be fooled.
I mean, you know in your bones that George Soros is not right-wing.
They believe in something there that they've invented a word.
They do a lot of word inventing there.
They've invented the phrase stakeholder capitalism.
Well, that sounds pretty good.
We're all stakeholders.
Now, stakeholder capitalism is different from shareholder capitalism.
What's the difference between a shareholder and a stakeholder?
A shareholder is someone who owns something, who bought it and can sell it and can operate it because they own it.
A stakeholder, well, that could be anybody, right?
Anybody who wants to do anything with someone else's stuff.
So, for example, the owners of an oil company would be people who invest in it.
So the company has money to operate.
And they would vote on decisions for that company to make.
As long as the company is following the laws of the land, they can do whatever they like.
Stakeholder capitalism says no, because Greta Tunberg has something to say.
And, oh, what about global warming?
And what about indigenous participation?
And what about LGBTQ2?
Like that whole movement of ESG, which is corporate DEI.
ESG stands for Environmental, Social and Governance.
DEI, as you know, is diversity, equity, inclusion.
Those are things that typically shareholders don't waste money on because not only are they costly payoffs to people who don't actually produce value, they undermine, they get in the way.
If you are running a high-tech Company, you want the absolute best people to be your scientists.
Even if that means, and in some cases it does, it's going to be disproportionately Asian Americans.
I'm sorry to mention the stereotype, but statistically it's a fact.
But if you say, no, we have to have a certain racial mix and a certain gender mix, are you really going to have the absolute top scientist in America?
And so you can see the difference between a shareholder who would say, give me the best person for the job, whatever the race or sex, and a stakeholder who says, no, no, I'm in the George Floyd DEI Institute, and I'm here to say you need this percentage of LGBT people, this percentage of black people, this percentage of women and men, nothing to do with expertise.
So that's WEF capitalism.
It's stakeholder capitalism, not shareholder capitalism.
Do you understand the difference?
Now, in the last year or so, I think the World Economic Forum has started to implode a bit.
Klaus Schwab, their founder and owner, has been hit with horrific accusations of abuse.
And really, he's announced he's stepping down.
He's like the Harvey Weinstein of globalists.
Although it sort of surprised me to see Donald Trump said he's going to give a speech there this year.
By the way, we'll be there, of course.
But in real life, I think every country and many industries are abandoning this stakeholder capitalism, this socialism capitalism.
I think they want to get rich or try not to be poor.
Or in the case of Europe, they want to pay for a war, actually, or they want to invest and get ahead in high tech.
Even Mark Carney's own project, which was called GFANS, Global Financial Alliance for Net Zero, it's disbanded.
All the banks that were part of Mark Carney's plan to decarbonize, they said, yeah, we're going to go and make some money now in Donald Trump's America.
Even Bill Gates says he's not so worried about global warming anymore.
What?
That was his thing.
He wants more power to run artificial intelligence.
And he's decided that, well, global warming will take care of itself.
I want to get rich on AI.
Apparently, climate change will make entire ecosystems die off.
It'll make parts of the world impossible to live in.
And so the actual economic and death poll from climate change will be much, much, much greater than what we have with this pandemic.
Yeah, I'm sure he does want to get rich.
He's extremely greedy.
He made his money really as a monopolist with Microsoft.
But never trust him.
He still hates people at the end of the day.
If Bill Gates is involved with an AI project, I think it's because he actually does not like humans.
Remember this clip?
Probably one of these numbers is going to have to get pretty near to zero.
Mark Carney's AI Revolution00:03:06
That's back from high school algebra.
But let's take a look.
First, we've got population.
The world today has 6.8 billion people.
That's headed up to about 9 billion.
Now, if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by perhaps 10 or 15%.
Yeah, he literally said he wants 20% fewer humans.
Anyway, so Mark Carney has fled the World Economic Forum as it started to implode, has fled the global financial lines for net zero as it has folded.
And he's managed to burrow his way into Canada, which is very embarrassing for our country that we let that happen.
But all the things that he ever talked about at the World Economic Forum, he's doing.
He's managing the economy.
He is the manager.
He is centrally planning our economy as if he has some secret knowledge that only he has about how Canada works, even though he's been away for 20 years.
Spoiler alert: no person has that much knowledge.
There is no person, even the smartest person in the world, that knows how to run the economy.
There was a beautiful essay about this by Frederick Bastien, who was an economist and philosopher who wrote this in 1850.
So, really, early days of mid-Industrial Revolution, the Industrial Revolution was quite progressed, but it was before the age of cars or airplanes.
Bastiet in 1850 wrote about the enormous city of Paris.
And he thought, how is it possible that every restaurant, every shop, every bakery, every home has just the right amount of bread with no one in control.
There was no boss of it.
There was no ministry of bread.
And he thought, in fact, if there were a ministry of bread, there would be starvation and chaos.
And he talked about spontaneous order of a million different people in Paris versus sort of organized chaos because so much of the capitalist system is little pieces of information that countless people have.
Local conditions, supply, demand, price, whatever.
Every bakery knowing, well, I sold this many last night, I'll sell this money this week.
It's a Friday or it's a holiday, I'll sell this money.
Every restaurateur thinking, oh, this is exactly how much I sold.
Yeah, like there is countless little pieces of information about local conditions, price, whatever.
No one person could ever be smart enough to make sure every single home and every single restaurant in France, in Paris, had the right amount of bread.
But the government, if they were to do it, it would be a failure.
Now, Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong both tried.
Pipeline Plans00:15:16
I'll get back to that in a minute.
I mean, that's what's going on here.
Mark Carney made an announcement the other day like he is some high priest of industry about which corporate projects may proceed and which may not.
And he's not giving any explanations.
He's not issuing an opinion.
It's just a mysterious, he's like an oracle.
He's like a grand wizard.
Take a look.
The major projects office is helping to build Canada smarter and quicker, fast-tracking infrastructure that we need to unlock our country's immense resources and potential.
And in this way, we'll build our communities, grow new businesses, and create tens of thousands of new careers in sustainable industries.
Back in September at Emmett, we referred projects that represent more than $60 billion in investment.
And today, we're going to announce some projects that will double that impact.
The budget that I referenced a moment ago, the budget of last week, reinforces our mission to build Canada strong.
It's our plan so that Canadians take full control of our future.
It's a plan to move from over-reliance on one trading partner, the United States, to resilience to global shocks.
It's a plan to replace uncertainty with prosperity.
By the way, all of these projects that he's talking about, they have been proposed for years.
Many of them have been languishing for nearly a decade under Trudeau's red tape.
It's the liberals who were almost at the point of killing these deals.
And now Carney said, oh, yeah, okay, you can go now.
Each of these companies by now, by the way, is ready to put their own money into making something.
I don't know, a mine, a project of some sort.
Their own money, typically, which means they've spent years thinking about it and planning it and investigating it and studying it and typically not asking the taxpayer for help.
So, why wouldn't all of those projects be allowed to proceed?
Why does it need an additional layer of political approval?
Why does it have to meet Mark Carney's taste?
Why do we need to appeal to the whims of the leader?
That's North Korea stuff.
That would be like 10 different restaurants all saying, Well, we think a lot of people want to go out for restaurants out to eat.
We're going to open restaurants, and I'm going to open a Chinese restaurant, I'm going to an Italian restaurant, and the chefs are ready to cook, and investors are ready to rent the place and hire staff.
But some local boss says, No, no, no, I'm going to choose which ones open and which ones can't.
What?
They're all ready to do it.
They're not asking for your money.
They're all obeying the law.
It's really none of your business.
You can eat at whichever restaurant you like.
Who are you to say which ones can or can't work?
Why not let the people?
Why not let the market?
On what basis is it?
Is it based on who lobbies Mark Carney?
Who is cool and uses the right buzzwords?
Is it based on who donated to his campaign?
Is it who talks about global warming still?
I mean, his own close friends at GFANS, Global Financial Alliance for Net Zero, they've abandoned his schemes, but he's just foisting it on us.
I mean, just a few weeks ago, he let the mask slip, I think.
It was so childish, so gross.
He was asked about oil pipelines, which are more valuable than all the other projects put together, by the way.
Not only are the construction costs of pipelines enormous, and again, this would all be paid for by private companies, Northern Gateway, Keystone XL, these are private companies that said, we will put the money in.
You don't have to put the money in.
By the way, not only is the construction multi-billion dollars, but the oil that flows through them is Canada's most valuable export.
I don't know if you know that, but oil and gas exports to America are triple what the auto industry is.
So, for example, a pipeline like the Keystone XL pipeline, which is partially built, but not built, it would have 800,000 barrels of oil a day.
Now, the world price of oil is about 60 US dollars per barrel, or about 85 Canadian.
And by the way, Canadian oil is actually sold at a discount to world prices because of a lack of pipelines.
So, in a single year, if Keystone XL were built, that would move $25 billion worth of oil, just that one pipeline, every year for a century.
But here's what Mark Carney said a few weeks ago when asked about oil pipelines.
Is this pipeline going to come?
So boring.
It's not actually.
It is.
It is.
No, but it is.
It is because it's, look, it's, don't worry, we're on it.
We're on it.
Like, we're on it.
But there is this whole world.
Okay, hands up.
Who's working on the pipeline in this room?
Okay.
Isn't that a problem?
No, no.
No.
look at all the variety like nav like does your like it's We have.
Yeah, if there's more prosperity, they'll get more cell phone services.
But look, look, okay.
So, what's going to drive one of the things with, yeah, don't worry, we're on the pipeline stuff.
Danielle's on line one.
Don't worry.
This is going to happen.
But, well, something's going to happen, let's put it that way.
It's not very good negotiating by my perspective.
But what some in the room will unlock on the data center side, the intelligence infrastructure side, will have a much bigger impact on productivity in this country.
Will have a much bigger impact on our standard of living.
And advantaging that, which is what we're doing with the productivity super deduction, like it's an easy conversation to have about a pipeline because it's one thing we can see.
But the reality is that there's much, much more to the Canadian economy and there's much, much more to the future of the Canadian economy.
And so we're attacking it on all sides.
So boring, boring.
What are you, like a teenage child?
You want to play video games?
Sorry to bore you.
Sorry, we all can't be as riveting and scintillating and dynamic and so damn interesting as you are, Mark Carney.
You're so magnetic.
As if boring or not boring is anything other than his own snobbery.
Sorry, the boring jobs are what builds this world.
And in Canada, that's oil and gas, which is more than double oil and auto exports.
And Carney seems resigned to losing our auto industry.
Hey, why don't you actually build something that the world wants and Trump can't move?
Trump can't move the oil patch to America.
He can move the car companies there.
It looks like he's doing it.
Trump will have to buy our oil from us.
He can't say, I demand that the oil sands move.
Sorry to bore you with the oil industry.
Sorry, just, I can't, what a childish reaction.
So Carney announced his favorite companies, and no oil companies were amongst them.
Now, Canada, let me start with our position as an energy superpower.
We're starting to realize our full potential in both conventional, i.e., oil and gas, and clean energies.
LNG is an essential fuel for the energy transition.
LNG can help Canada build new trading relationships, especially in fast-growing markets in Asia.
By 2040, it's estimated the global LNG demand will rise by 60%, and Canada will be ready.
We're home to the world's fourth-largest reserves of natural gas, and we have the potential to supply up to 100 million tons annually of new LNG exports to Asia.
But that will require major investment across a wide range of infrastructure.
And to encourage that investment, the budget provides new tax incentives to encourage the world's lowest carbon, I'll repeat, the world's lowest carbon LNG facilities.
And the budget also expands the Canadian Infrastructure Bank's ability to support projects like Silissim's LNG.
Silissom comprises a new gas pipeline, a new electricity transmission line, and a new floating LNG export facility.
Led by the NISCA nation under President Ava Clayton, Silissoms will become Canada's second largest, second largest LNG facility with a capacity to export 12 million tons of LNG every year to new markets.
It'll also be one of the world's cleanest LNG operations, with emissions an incredible 94% below the global average and with the potential to reach net zero by the end of this decade, all while creating thousands of skilled careers and $4 billion contributions annually to our GDP.
The federal government has been working closely with the province of British Columbia in the development of this project, most notably through a one-project, one review, environmental assessment process and associated consultations led by the province.
In addition to consulting on the financing of Silicon, the Major Project Office will also help coordinate timely approvals of all three elements of the project and the related transmission infrastructure that I'll discuss in a moment.
Now, more broadly, taking a step back from LNG, core to becoming an energy superpower will be to fully capitalize on Canada's advantage in clean energy by substantially expanding our clean electricity grid.
Over 80% of the electric power we produce in the country.
It's higher, obviously, in British Columbia, but in the country as a whole, is clean.
The point is, clean electrification is the path.
It's the only path to building a sustainable, prosperous economy.
Now, a liquefied natural gas plant was approved, but it still doesn't have a pipeline to supply it.
So I'm not sure what's going to happen there.
But there's a left-wing activist in British Columbia named Kainegata who asked a question that I thought was sort of interesting.
Here's Kainagatta talking to Mark Carney.
Yeah, Heinegatta from Dogwood News following up on this question.
So as it stands, Western LNG is the owner of Vixie Listen's Terminal, and it would be built in Korea with Korean and Chinese steel.
So how much taxpayer money are we prepared to invest in a project that is American-owned and foreign-built?
Look, there are different aspects of the project, as I said.
There is the PRGT pipeline, which is necessary, which is Canadian-owned, First Nation.
Sorry, can I finish?
There is the associated transmission line that comes there.
There are structures that come with projects that ensure that there is returns to taxpayers through the tax system as well.
And the structure of the financing is a decision that we take with the full information, the full information of the project, the project design.
So that's part of, you know, we answer that question with full information by doing the work.
And that's what the referral to the major project office facilitates.
Korea, China, that's sort of interesting.
I know that Mark Carney has been saying, well, we're going to emphasize Canadian first and Canadian steel and stuff.
And it doesn't sound that way.
I wonder if Brookfield Asset Management is getting anything out of this.
But I don't really care about China, Korea stuff.
If it's not my money investing in the thing, I just want the things built because I know for one thing, the gas is Canadian.
The gas will be produced in Canada.
I just want the thing built and for the government to step out of the way, not to pretend he's some miraculous oracle who can see into the future.
I mean, Justin Trudeau foolishly said there's no business case to sell oil and gas to the world.
And then Qatar goes and signs a multi-billion dollar deal with Euro.
I mean, it's like when Justin Trudeau and Doug Ford spent tens of billions of dollars on electric car batteries.
That's the future.
And those companies are now leaving us.
I saw a tweet by CP24, which is owned by CTB.
The regime media is trying to spin this as oil and gas industry approves.
Yeah, I read the story.
No actual oil producers were actually quoted in it.
Now, some lobbyist from the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers was quoted, and he's obviously trying hard to maintain his relationship with the Carney Liberals rather than promoting the interests of his own industry.
But no oil producer praised this because no oil production will be allowed.
No pipeline, no tankers.
You know, Mao Zedong, I mentioned this earlier, Stalin and Mao, they tried to centrally command the economy in a manner similar to what Mark Carney is doing.
Mao is crazy.
One of the things he did during various eras of uprisings and revolutions and internal revolutions is he mandated that farmers, instead of farming for food in the world's hungriest country, that they start to make steel in their backyard.
Do you think it's possible to make steel in your backyard?
Well, Mao did, and it caused a famine.
It was an economic disaster.
And then Mao came up, I thought, oh, well, one of the problems why there's so few crops is because there are sparrows eating our food.
So he called upon the Chinese people to kill every sparrow they saw.
And they did.
And tens of millions of sparrows were killed.
So it's true the sparrows didn't eat the crops anymore, but now locusts had no natural predators left, did they?
And so nature was out of balance, and the locusts completely wiped out the crops.
This is what Frederick Bastiat was warning about, about a bread ministry that's so smart but knows nothing.
He's warning about the experts.
Frederick Bastiat's conversation about spontaneous order versus planned chaos, centrally planned chaos, is actually a shot at experts who know nothings, who read a book about, well, I've read a book about baking, and I think it should be done.
I've read a book about how to make steel in our backyard, and that's how, well, I've read a book about how to choose industries.
You're not an expert.
Experts Know Nothing00:05:24
Remember, Mark Carney, he was not the CEO of Brookfield.
He wasn't the hands-on president.
He was the chairman who was busy with other projects at the United Nations, the World Economic Forum.
He didn't get into the details of the companies they bought.
He was sort of the big relationships guy, the big speeches guy, the conference goer.
He was not the CEO.
He chaired their board meetings.
But even Brookfield itself isn't a company that builds things.
They buy assets and manage them or flip them or chop them up and resell them.
They don't actually run businesses.
They're an asset manager.
It's called Brookfield Asset Management.
They're not operators of companies.
Mark Carney is not an entrepreneur.
He's not a builder.
He's never run a company.
Not at Brookfield, not at the World Economic Forum, not at the United Nations, not at the central banks, and not at Goldman Sachs.
His whole life, he's been a Marxist expert who's obsessed with control and authority.
He's the kind of person who would say, yeah, we should have a ministry of bread.
Or, yeah, we should kill every sparrow.
That'll save the crops.
You know, he's going to plunge us into recession, although I think we're already there.
And, you know, despite his grudging approval of a handful of projects, the very idea that you have to impress dear leader before you're allowed to spend your own money investing in Canada, that's going to scare away a trillion dollars from Canada into Donald Trump's America.
Just you wait and see.
Stay with us for more.
Hey, welcome back.
While I was on my quick journey down to James O'Keefe's event, I saw what Drea Humphrey was going through.
And by the way, we had two security guards there for her.
So I was alarmed, but I'm glad that we were prepared for the kind of pushing and shoving that was there.
This is her at Thompson Rivers University, where Frances Widowson and others were there to talk about the unmarked graves question.
And it's a question.
It hasn't been answered yet.
People say in places like Kamloops, there are 200 unmarked graves.
Well, millions of dollars is being given to the band to carefully and ethically check, dig, investigate.
Are those actually graves?
Hasn't happened yet because I think people don't want the truth to come out.
They prefer the narrative that the white man killed Aboriginal people in a kind of genocide.
They're trying to slander Canada's past.
I want to know the truth.
I know one thing, we don't know the truth now, but there's a lot of people trying to stop us from getting the truth.
Drea Humphrey did a documentary on this story a couple years ago.
Here, watch her in action.
Take a look.
Four years ago on May 27th, 2021, the world looked at Canada in a different way after the Kamloops band put out the false claim that they had discovered the remains of 215 children at the former Kamloops Indian Residential School.
Now, many of you watching us know that that's not true.
And neither are all of the other claims where bands have said similar things about discoveries that never were.
And today, right behind me, is a scene you don't see very often taking place in Kamloops Thompson River University.
Today, Dr. Francis Widowson, who is behind the documentary What Remains, has showed here to shed light on those false claims and to challenge university students to actually think and not be offended of the truth.
I'm Drea Humphrey with Revel News, who traveled here to cover what happened here today for you, and I had to do so safely.
In case you missed it, recently Dr. Frances Whittleson did something very similar in Winnipeg at a university and was treated like this.
Corrupted on.
So, to be your eyes and ears here during this important discussion about Canadian history, especially in a time where reconciliation overreach has turned into excusing Aboriginal title in Richmond, BC, I have security guards with me to keep me safe.
Fired for Speaking Truth00:14:41
If you want to chip in to help cover those expenses, you can do so by donating what you can at our special website called Camloopsdocumentary.com.
I should also let you know that accompanied with Dr. Widowson is 1BC leader Dallas Brody, as well as her house leader, Tara Armstrong.
They have been strong advocates for the truth on this issue, even coming up with their own documentary, which will be released in just a couple of weeks, called Making a Killing.
We will be covering that release as well.
They're here, as is one of their recent announced candidates, who is a former teacher in Abbotsford.
His name is Jim McMurtry.
Here's how some of the discussion went.
I don't believe that.
Unless you ask yourself!
Don't run away.
Coming here and saying this.
You lost your job.
I lost my job for saying the truth.
You told them what your opinion was.
That was an opinion.
You were an opinion.
No, no, it was what we were talking about.
You got fired because the parents probably thought that their kids probably shouldn't be on the parents who fired it.
Fucking the teachers or the principal, the high board office, whatever.
They fired it.
The truth is that people are not looking at the evidence very much with respect to this claim.
And what you did, what you did, I'll just, in terms of my understanding of what you are doing, is you're deflecting the conversation into other kind of issues.
I am, because there is an underlying issue to this.
It's not just about the 215 children.
Residential school has affected thousands of Indigenous people and coming at it and trying to act like we're lying lying at all.
Thompson Rivers University sent me a trespass notice on October 15th of this year after Simon, Kathy Drake, and myself did a Spectrum Street Epistemology session on the remains of 215 children, that claim, and it was a wonderful event.
Jenna, who participated, Hallu participated, we all agreed at the end that excavations were needed at the Kamloops Indian Residential School to figure out the truth with respect to the matter.
And because Thompson Rivers University sent me that trespass notice and said that only authorized discussions can take place, I said I've got to come back to this university.
You're hating and welcome.
The Kamloops band received $12.1 million earmarked to be digital Kamloops Band.
Well, okay.
I grew up in a different era.
I know, I guess, at least if we're going to talk about these communities, let's talk about them and use their correctness.
Well, they still call it the Kamloops Indian Residential School on their materials.
So the Kamloops band received $12.1 million from the federal government to dig, and they didn't use it for that, and the money's gone.
That's your taxpayer dollar.
That's not okay.
The whole lie of the 215 bodies needs to be exposed for what it is, because Canada has suffered under this accusation for too long.
And also, to just sparks in conversation, which is happening.
Please stand for their children.
What's the truth?
The truth is that this is Nazism.
This is white nationalism.
There's no room for hatred on this campus.
They need to get off this land.
Residential school survivors, they live through it.
They live through trauma.
They're standing here today because of their resilience, and all of this is disrespecting everything that they experience.
What did he say that was hateful?
He's against anti-racism.
He is against transgender rights.
He's against indigenous sovereignty safety.
We're not standing for this.
Did he say something like that here?
Oh, I know all about it.
Just look it up online.
What do you make of their claim that there are not 215 bodies at least proven to be discovered at the Kamloops Indian Residential School?
I think it's disgusting that they keep asking to see a body.
That's f ⁇ ing enough.
You're not going to be f ⁇ ing murdered.
Do you have evidence of that?
You have evidence of that?
Yes, we do have evidence of that.
Talk to any f ⁇ ing person here.
Why?
Because you're being a f ⁇ ing asshole.
You don't belong here and you need to get the f out of here.
You have your own personal identity.
This is a public institution.
It is a publication.
This is a public institution.
And guess what?
You're finging.
Leader.
You have no business being here.
It's a public institution.
This is the university.
This is a kind of thing to hire alerts where people care about one another.
Okay?
It's not about you.
Joe Summer.
I am John John.
Say, I love Johnson.
I've been on this.
I'm 70 years old.
I know I have more.
All we're trying to kill is get kids.
You don't know what you're talking about.
No, you don't.
Pushing people forward.
Yes, I'll get you saw.
You said that your mom worked at the school, so you know about the trauma and things like that.
I'm indigenous.
Students.
So the band itself, though, is saying something different.
They're saying 200 probable anomalies.
Anomalies.
Yeah, yeah.
They're no longer saying bodies.
Do you think that's important to our boulders?
Well, they don't know what they are.
They're no longer saying bodies.
Should it be dug up?
They took $12 million to dig them up.
Well, then, that's with the band.
That's not here.
With us at TRI.
I just want you right now, the next time somebody says it was a child murder in residential school in Canada, ask for evidence.
No, that's not the thing.
That's you.
That's your view.
There's lots of evidence.
You can't do that.
I said my father was a judge.
He can't convict somebody.
Send someone away to jail.
You tried to give me money.
You can't do that in Canada.
So I guess my question is to you for caring about trauma, and I do too.
Do you think it's bad news or good news that there might not be 215 murdered children?
I think it would be good news if it wasn't.
If there weren't, but we can't sit here and just make these kind of bold ass claims.
They're not being taught these things.
It's not even allowed to be introduced in their classrooms.
And they have been taught over and over again about this.
It's a form of indoctrination.
And it's gone too far.
And it's really hard to, when you've been told something over and over again, to have someone hit you with something true.
It's almost frightening.
The narrative by mainstream media has been that these graves have been uncovered.
And you and I both know that that's not the case.
So I think that's why these events and coming here and speaking to these people is even more important because we're able to actually share with them these facts, Drea.
So the question is, are there 215 children who were buried clandestinely at the Can Lucinia Residential School?
And what do you think the solution is to dig up the dead bodies?
Do you not think these children have suffered enough?
But you're assuming there's children there.
We have nothing but good in this country and you're ruining it.
Yes, we do what you're doing here.
You're here for this.
I'm not doing any question, mother.
It's no life and you're ruining it.
So you keep saying I'm assuming these bodies have been found, but you're assuming that the bands are misusing this money.
They're not asking for it.
We're all assuming that it was spent on consulting.
We also know that there's money that was earmarked for this that was never used for this.
So let's skip to the bottom of it then and let's use that money that was already provided.
If you want to investigate what is happening with the money, but I don't understand why you have to do it in this format.
You are upsetting people.
Even if I was wrong, I shouldn't have been fired.
But in this case, I was right.
There's no evidence.
So you're saying 215, and you know that no one's going to ever dig that.
Never.
No, you're land to go and dig that.
It doesn't matter.
You can't say people murdered children.
Hi, I saw your sign.
I'm not talking to you.
Who's a fascist?
None of us are interested.
You speak for her.
Please leave.
None of us are.
Okay, so you're not interested, but I'll still do my job.
Who's the fascist here?
I'm just curious.
We don't know.
No?
No?
Nothing to say?
Sometimes I wonder if people know what the word fascism means.
Because when you want to shut out people from speaking, that sounds pretty fascist to me.
The issue is, are there 215 bodies there?
Because the issue is bigger than this.
And the fact that you cannot see that, I think, is the problem.
That's my problem with this.
The traditional suntance?
Do you know how it works?
Are you seriously asking me that?
Yeah, I'm asking.
Do you know how it works?
Do you know what it is?
I'm not having this conversation.
Three things can't be hidden for long.
The sun, the moon, and the truth.
And that's what we're fighting for, is the truth.
You are not using the traditional sundance dance.
Do you know what it is?
Do you think we are closer to reconciliation or further from it since those claims were made?
I like to think that we are closer to reconciliation, but when this kind of stuff goes on, I feel that it takes us two steps backwards.
All those kids who never came home have to be suffered.
Except you can simply look yourself at how many kids were reported missing.
It's nowhere near 215.
And the records of how they went missing are there.
There were some kids that drowned.
Like, nobody's even doing the research.
You guys are all just looking at headlines.
Sorry.
I just wanted to ask what publication you were for.
REVEL NEWS.
BOO! BOO! BOO!
THIS WORKS FOR REVEL NEWS!
BOO!
OH MY GOD.
AM I DEHUMANIZED?
No, no, no, no.
I'm sorry.
You could have told me you're from Rebel News, I wouldn't have spoken to you.
He asked, what are your interests in truth and reconciliation?
Truth.
No, no, what kinds of things do you do to decolonize and to promote decolonization?
I report on government overreach, and bad governments are not exempt.
So if you take millions of tax dollars to do something and you don't, I report on it.
So what about the unceded land that we're on right now and that the Indigenous people in this area haven't been compensated for?
Well, we can talk about that too, but that's not what we're talking about.
We're talking about the false claim that was made in 2021, that the remains of 250 children.
The band itself admits that's no longer, as you just mentioned, like the band is not exempt from what you're absolutely.
So why did you just tell me that claim wasn't false?
What grounds do you have?
The band doesn't represent all the Indigenous people in the nation.
And the banning council system is a colonial implementation.
Well, no, you know who I trust, historians.
And so when I made my cut.
So when I responded, my first question.
You can just listen or second.
Oh, you got it.
You're walking around yelling.
You don't have any knowledge.
No, you don't have the knowledge.
You have the internet.
University is supposed to be a marketplace of ideas, right?
Where you get a lot of different views being expressed, and that's not happening anymore, Drea, at our schools.
And we believe that if you're not going to allow freedom of speech, marketplace of ideas, these universities, this public funding has to stop.
They are being subjected to propaganda from the various Aboriginal activists who have taken control over this university.
Sorry, the Aboriginal Industry Associates as well.
They have law professors here who are engaged in land claims negotiations and all these kinds of false claims are very, very important in terms of pushing through various aspects of the Aboriginal industry.
And so students are not being encouraged to think critically.
No, I'm not doing an interview for rebel f ⁇ ing news.
Okay.
There's no such thing in Canada.
It's a free country.
We're in a public place.
That's why this is all happening.
You know what?
When I went to university too long to mention on camera ago, it was great to have conversations like it.
You guys seem like genuinely scared and angry about it.
Why is that?
Because it is scary and we are angry.
Why is it scary to talk to someone you might disagree with?
Because, no, no, no, it's not that we are scared to talk to people that we disagree with, because we talk to people that we disagree with all the time in a proper medium.
You all know there are no bodies in Kamloops.
You know that there's all this exercise at this university about how terrible Canada was is all wrong.
Get out!
Did you know that there's at least four other bands that have excavated?
They thought there were unmarked graves, and when they dug, they found nothing.
I don't think that's relevant to the fact that there were bodies found in Kamloops.
Did you know they never dug and that it's impossible to make the claim with ground-penetrating radar?
I think it sounds like your questions are starting to side with one of these opinions.
Actually, I'm actually quoting them when I say they no longer call it bodies at the band.
They call them anomalies.
Okay, my apologies.
Well, and when it comes down to it, I'm a white person with a lot of white privilege.
It's not my part to say what happened in residential schools in the sense that that's not my experience, but I will listen and stand with Indigenous voices.
How many Takamoops residential school survivors have you interviewed?
I haven't interviewed.
I tried to interview many, but none would.
You haven't actually spoken to the actual people that were there.
I've listened to their testimonies.
Because a lot of this history isn't written down.
It's a lot of oral history.
And a lot of that oral history documents verbally how many children were killed or died on these residential schools all across Canada.
I have interviewed some that attended there.
Do you have a question for me, given that I have, but I also think the truth should come out about what's there?
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I don't have any questions for you.
Okay, I'll just tell you one thing.
When I did interview them, none of them, although they had gone there between 11 and 14 years, had ever heard that there were unmarked graves until 2021 of May.
Does that seem weird that they went there for so many years, they met their spouses there?
I'm not sure who you interviewed.
I can't speak on that source.
Well, you asked about residential school survivors.
I did, and I asked her how many people she interviewed.
Well, I'm a journalist.
She's a professor, so I interview people and I have interviewed people.
I even interviewed the chief, too.
And did you know the chief no longer says that there are 215 remains there?
They never said any.
Actually, there's a media that says that.
No, it's sir.
Did you want me to show you their claim on May 27th of 2021?
They said the kids were as young as three years old, detected by ground-penetrating radar.
So you're defending a claim that they no longer make.
Why?
I'm not defending any claim.
Okay, well, I spoke to people who attended there for many years.
I know who you spoke to, so I'm sorry, I'm not.
But why did you ask the question?
I didn't ask it of you, I asked it of her.
Okay, but I'm a journalist.
I ask questions.
She's a residential schools took almost, I think, almost 100% Indigenous kids.
So that's why we're saying it about that.
Of course, okay, because more than Indian because the parents wanted them there because they wanted their kids to have an education.
They wanted their kids there to have an education.
Well, some were taken out of the city.
There were very few cases of that.
And again, I'm saying that they're orphans or they were being abused at a home or they didn't have the necessities of life.
If they were to use the $12 million they were given to dig like they were supposed to and they found there were no bodies, do you think white Canadians deserve to know that and do you think that's good news?
I'm going to be honest, I don't think that I can comprehend that question right now because I have so many feelings about what's happening.
I'm really angry and I don't think I can answer it with a clear head right now.
Sure.
The RCMP has come out saying they've done an eight-year-long investigation that found no evidence of mass murder or anything like that.
If it's true that there are not 215 bodies, consistent with the other bands that have dug, what does that mean for the claims that residential schools were genocide?
I think I'm going to stop answering these questions.
I appreciate talking with you.
Thank you so much.
I think you saw and got a taste for what was happening here.
Let me know in the comments.
I will take a look through.
I am very interested to see what you thought about what took place here today.
Drea Humphrey with Rebel News.
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Drea is very brave.
I think she's doing a great job in British Columbia.
She really owned that story at the ostrich farm.
I was delighted to visit there a couple times, and she had built so much trust with the family and was so deeply engrossed in the details there.
And this is another one of the files she's doing a great job of.
It's tricky out there because, listen, we want to be friends to all people in British Columbia.
We want to respect Indigenous people.
Of course, we do.
But we also have to follow the truth.
We have a saying here: follow the facts wherever they lead.