Nadine R. Wellwood’s Alberta Rising ignites debate by framing Alberta’s economic drain—$3–5B more annually into the CPP than received—as systemic exploitation, calling Canada’s policies a Ponzi scheme. She blames federal mismanagement for G7-worst productivity, ties healthcare and education monopolies to inefficiency, and compares Alberta’s potential to Dubai under deregulation. Disqualified from UCP’s Senate race despite local support, Wellwood aligns with Maxine Bernier’s PPC, advocating cultural independence from Canada’s "control-first" governance. Sheila Gunn-Reid contrasts this with Indigenous councils’ secrecy, like the Métis Nation barring family members from questioning $100K+ Las Vegas trips, demanding equal taxpayer transparency. The episode argues Alberta’s future hinges on breaking federal dependency and embracing radical reform. [Automatically generated summary]
Less Ottawa micromanagement, more local accountability.
And judging by the sales and chatter, I think Albertans are listening.
Wellwood roots her argument in classic thinkers and real world economics, making the case that families and communities do better when government knows its lane and stays in it.
Her goal isn't chaos in a free and independent Alberta.
It's competence and freedom, fewer bureaucratic solutions that create new problems and more room for people to solve the ones right in front of them.
The book is provoking the exact kind of debate Alberta needs right now as it faces critical questions about its future within or without Canada.
For example, what is the proper size of government in a province that carries Canada's economy on its back?
Where should decisions live?
In faraway federal offices or closer to home?
And how do we protect families' freedom to live as they see fit without outsourcing every choice to a consultant or a cabinet table?
If you're tired of being told government knows best, Wellwood's success is a signal.
Regular people just want to say again on pensions, on schools, on the day-to-day policies that add cost and subtract common sense.
Albertans want to say on their future.
Consider this your friendly reminder.
Alberta always works best when Albertans are in charge.
Here's our interview from earlier today.
So joining me now is author and I think independence activist.
I would probably describe you as that.
Nadine Wellwood.
For some of you, you might be meeting Nadine for the first time, but if you are around Alberta, I don't think you are.
But Nadine, tell us a little bit about yourself for the people who've never seen you before.
Sure.
So I'm a charter investment manager.
I've worked in finance for the last 20 plus years.
Prior to that, I owned an aerospace and defense company.
And I was born in the East, moved to Alberta here about 20 years ago.
About eight years ago, I got involved in politics, was very disenfranchised with what I was seeing from our political leaders, and I'd say political managers more than anything else.
And most recently, have become an author.
So I moved to Alberta about 20 years ago and went, these are my people.
I'm home.
And this is where my daughter was born and raised.
My husband's from Calgary, Alberta.
So yeah, I'm very proud to say that I'm an Albertan.
Yeah, Alberta is not just a geography.
And I'll say this about the West too, because I don't think the interior of British Columbia is all that different from us.
And neither is I think our fraternal twin in Saskatchewan.
But it's really a way of being.
It's a philosophy of living your life as much as it is a location, a geographic location.
And there are plenty of Albertans, unfortunately, lost, watching around Ontario, wondering what's happening around them.
Now, tell us a little bit about your, I don't know how to put it, your political pedigree, because you have been in politics.
You've run for elected office a couple of times.
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Tell us what, you know, what parties you were engaged with and what motivated that for you.
Well, being in finance, you're always in economics and big geopolitical as well as local political.
And I had never actively gotten physically involved in politics just as an observer for three decades.
But as somebody who actually jumped in and got involved, I never really felt like I had a place where I belonged.
And then when I had been introduced to Maxine Bernier with the People's Party of Canada, I don't get caught up with people.
I get caught up with ideas, policies, philosophy.
And I really did like the policies that the People's Party of Canada put forward.
They resonated with me.
They made sense.
And my husband challenged me.
He said, so what are you going to do about it?
And I'm like, what do you mean what am I going to do about it?
He said, what are you going to do about it?
And I'm like, okay, you may not like what I'm about to do about it.
And got involved and ran for the People's Party of Canada in 2019, 2021, as well as the Senate race here in Alberta.
And when that obviously, people, I think, are very afraid of change.
And there's lots of things that politicians even do, I think, that keep people under their thumb and in a position of fear rather than looking forward as to what can be done.
And so that didn't work out.
And so I had worked with some different freedom groups.
And I said, look, if Danielle Smith, I was very hopeful.
I said, when our premier got elected, I said, if she gets elected, you know what?
I actually told Danielle, I said, I will run for the UCP.
And she actually encouraged that and was very supportive of that.
I ran down in Livingston-McLeod and was disqualified.
So I did win the nomination.
And I had six other people who were going to run against Roger Reed at the time.
All six of them stepped aside, threw all of their support behind me.
And then Roger Reed decided he wasn't going to beat me.
He knew that.
And I knew that.
And so he stepped aside.
So he wouldn't resign for the premier to run in her own riding, but he definitely was going to step aside.
And so I should have been acclaimed.
I had my meeting with the CA in Livingston-McLeod.
They put my name forward.
And then the UCP at the highest level, the executive, said that I was not going to be the name on the ballot and disqualified me.
So that's my foray into politics.
Pension Plan Independence00:15:03
Yeah.
And then I think people who are sort of in the, I don't know how to put it, independence movement.
I don't want to say sovereignty because that means so much for, you know, it's just such a broad point, but it also comes with, I guess, maybe some stigma.
I know Corey Morgan talks about, you know, the independence movement and what, you know, that can mean an entire spectrum of things, be it, you know, exerting more autonomy within Confederation, saying we're out of here, saying we're going to join the Americans.
You know, are we going to be more like Quebec?
Are we going to be more like, you know, a territory?
But I know that you were quite vocal in support of an Alberta pension plan, which seems like it would be a thing.
And then not so much now.
Tell us about that.
So the Alberta Pension Plan, because I have a background in economics and finance, and my designation as a chartered investment manager is a portfolio management designation.
So I could be one of the people who managed your pension plan, for example, if that's what I chose to do for a career.
The designation that I hold allows that.
And so I had jumped in and started to promote the Alberta Pension Plan as an option.
Because whether we separate or we don't, and whether we achieve full independence, we should be taking steps to achieve at least partial independence.
And the Alberta Pension Plan was an excellent way for us to assert a little bit more autonomy here at home, something that with the stroke of a pen actually is all it takes is a stroke of the pen by our premier to do that.
She just really has, because the Canada Pension Act allows for any province to leave, to start their own pension, as long as it's like and similar.
We just have to give notice.
And then we have three years basically to build our own pension plan.
And then everything just transitions over.
And of course, the economics around independence, whether it's a pension plan, police force, whether all the economics makes 100% sense for Albertans to leave Canada and to go it on their own.
And there's many reasons why people say we shouldn't do that, but I'll let you ask the questions.
The reality is from an economic standpoint, though, there is absolutely zero risk to us really to leave Canada.
I would argue there is far more risk in staying in Canada.
Jim, getting back to the pension plan, I mean, other provinces are able to do this.
And the idea that Alberta can't manage an investment vehicle is crazy.
We have AIMCO, you know, that does that already.
So it is a lot of fear.
It is just fear.
And of course, what happened was I think, you know, when the UCP took their foot off the gas when they started this campaign, they came out, you know, heavy on the gas pedal and then they completely backed off.
And, you know, what's really funny?
When I was doing my pension plan meetings around the province, I did have some liberal NDP union people attend because they were curious.
And literally by the end of the meeting, they would look at me and go, nothing that I can disagree with here.
You know, it makes sense economically.
There is, you know, we send $3 to $5 billion more each and every year to the CPP than we receive back to our own retirees.
And then people have this idea that the Canada Pension Plan is an actual pension, which it is not.
It's a payroll tax.
So, and if anything, you can probably compare it more closely to a Ponzi scheme.
I pay my taxes, you collect what I've paid in, and the only little surplus that really has been available for the CPPIB to actually build up a small little nest egg of assets has actually come out of Alberta.
Isn't that funny?
And I just, that just sends my brain on a little side quest here.
Do you think that's why one of the reasons that the, besides, you know, the demographic changes and the political chaos that the liberals think they're going to be the saviors of, do you think that's one of the reasons why they have this out of control immigration because they need more people in the pyramid scheme of the pension plan?
You hit the nail on the head.
So the CPPIB produces an annual report each and every year.
And the report actually identifies the three largest risks to the actual pension itself.
And one is the economy.
And we are the lowest producing economy.
And as you can see by liberal policies, we are anti-productivity, which is a huge risk to the CPPIB and to the pension plan.
The other one is demographics.
You've already touched on that.
We are the youngest.
We are the most productive.
We have the highest incomes.
And on that note, I'll just kind of point out there's two CPPs now.
There's the enhanced, which only applies to higher incomes.
Now, conveniently, and I'm sure the Liberals knew this when they made the changes, who is that going to inadvertently affect mostly?
Albertans, because we have the highest income.
So now we're paying more on top of the more we were already paying.
This is another equalization payment to Canada.
And then in addition to that, immigration.
So Canada looks at increasing GDP.
And they say, well, if GDP is growing, oh, look, we're being productive.
So their way of doing that has just been to flood the Canadian population with immigration.
Well, quantity is not the issue.
Quality is the issue.
We want a better quality of individual who comes to Canada, not just a numbers game.
So if you look at GDP per capita, which is what people should be assessing, that assesses the standard of living of each and every person within Canada.
And that is on a steep decline.
Numbers don't matter.
It really truly is about GDP per capita and making sure that the lifestyle of the people that live within your country is going up.
And unfortunately with Canada, that is on a very steep slide downward.
So we are the Canadian government right now is really, truly, honestly just managing decline.
While making it look like they're actually doing something to affect the economy.
But those GDP numbers don't lie when we're compared to the other G7 countries.
That's for sure.
The OECD on a productivity level has said that, you know, everybody talks about the last 10 years, but on the OECD, they predict that Canada will be the worst performing country.
And the OECD monitors 37 countries, not even just the G7, 37 countries around the world.
And we are at the bottom.
Okay.
Well, thanks, Toronto, for presenting us.
Mark Carney.
Thank you so much for that.
I want to ask you about your book.
Tell us about your book, and then maybe we'll get into why you wrote it.
Yeah, sure.
So the book is about Alberta rising.
So, you know, you have a lot of people right now that have been proposing what a new Alberta could look like.
And, you know, what I'm hearing is a lot of the same.
And people are just recycling the same old ideas.
And I'm like, well, no, if we're going to leave Canada, we're going to actually truly achieve independence.
As somebody who truly is a freedom advocate, I'm like, let's look at this with a fresh set of eyes, a fresh lens.
And what can we do differently?
And the beauty is we have hindsight, we have precedent.
We have an entire world full of ideas and examples to draw from.
And, you know, the systems and the institutions that we have established currently, even inside of Alberta, in my opinion, have to change.
Our health care is dismal.
Our education is dismal.
Our banking doesn't serve the people.
We're overtaxed, over-regulated.
That's not just a Canada problem.
In my opinion, that's an Alberta problem.
And so when I wrote the book, I wrote it from a perspective of principles and asking Albertans to be courageous enough and bold enough to actually maybe put aside some of our old beliefs and take a look at what's possible.
And so doing that, it's more of a provocation.
And it starts, each chapter starts with a little quote.
I get you kind of thinking.
You know, it's that question, hook the mind.
Do I agree with this?
Don't I agree with this?
And then I give you a little bit of information.
And then it's like, what do you think?
So it really is about provoking thought and critical thinking about, you know, why we do what we do and can we do it better.
You know, when I had started the 1905 committee, it really was about people say, how'd you come up with the name?
And I said, well, if we could go back, would we do anything different?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, that's a question that Corey Morgan often asks, or at least a question adjacent to that is.
If in 2025, knowing what you know with the deal that we have right now in Confederation and you weren't a part of Canada, would you vote to join?
And when you frame it in that way, you'd be hard pressed to find somebody who would opt to join Canada under the current terms and conditions for any other reason other than nostalgia, I think.
And if we didn't have that nostalgia, if we wouldn't, if we were our own country and we were asked to join now, it would be a hard no for most people.
And yet you have so many people that they are unhappy with the status quo, but yet there is this fear holding them back in being willing to say yes on a referendum.
We have no political clout.
Reform has been promised for 50 plus years.
You know, the West wants in.
None of that has ever changed a single thing for Albertans.
And things have only progressively gotten worse, not only for Alberta, but for all of Canadians.
And so as Bruce Party points out, I think Alberta has the opportunity here if Canada can be saved, which I don't think it can, but if it can be saved, it is going to take something like Alberta leaving, I think, to shake it up enough to look in the mirror, re-examine its own bad policies and its own bad governance to say things need to change.
Well, and, you know, I reject this idea that we should be governed by fear.
I mean, we saw that during COVID, what governing from a place of fear was all about.
But it completely negates the sort of people that we are here in Alberta.
Some people are new, all things considered, like you are.
But then there are people like me and my family.
And we all set aside our own fear to come here.
I live on the land my family broke with their backs and their hands in 1903.
They didn't know where they were going or what they were going to encounter.
But this was a place where they could chart their own course forward.
And they weren't scared of hard work.
I don't think we are scared of hard work.
And I don't think that people should be telling us that we can't do this.
Look what we were able to build in 120 years.
They said the oil sands would never be profitable.
They said that we would never have a prime minister from here.
We were able to do all these incredible things and build an economy.
And so for the people who are, you know, largely it's urban people, but for those people saying like, it's just too complicated.
I don't know.
Have you met an Albertan?
Because that's just not who we are to be scared to do something because it's difficult.
Well, people have gotten too attached to their comforts.
I grew up in Labrador, Sheila.
Oh, okay.
30,000 people.
I grew up hunting and fishing with my dad.
When someone tells me they're going to take away my guns, I'm like, ah, hard no.
Yeah.
You know, and not because I use them much here in Alberta, but it's just because, you know, it's a representation of our rights and our freedoms.
And this is part of the problem with the Constitution, even in Canada.
We, as Canadians, have no property rights, like no property rights.
And this is your property and you have no right to it.
And if anything, that is what COVID truly pointed out.
And so, you know, we really do have to reexamine what freedom actually is and what values do we actually put forward.
So when people talk about, you know, leaving Canada and they go, all the economic reasons, I look at it for the reasons you just said, the cultural reasons, the moral reasons, the political reasons, not just economic reasons.
And there are like, we, again, you know, for all of those reasons, you know, we are not the same as the people in the East.
No.
And, you know, you are more better aligned with our southern neighbors.
Yeah.
I think to interrupt.
I think the cultural divide is East-West, not North-South, especially when you're in the West.
Absolutely.
It is definitely East-West.
And it's not even East-West because there are some people in Ontario and there are parts of Newfoundland that are claiming they want independence too now, you know, because they have that sense of freedom, that entrepreneurial spirit.
They don't want that dependency welfare state, right?
You know, they are willing to accept responsibility for their own actions and their own behaviors.
And that's really where Albertans, I think, have always been.
Like you talk to a true blue Albertan and it's like, get the government out of my way and I'll show you how it's done.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I think it, I think that's why they were found it real difficult to control us during COVID is because the people who come here know that they can rely on each other, on their friends and neighbors to get through life.
We don't turn to the government for help.
And so when the government was telling us, turn away from your friends and neighbors, we were absolutely having none of it.
Yeah.
And you touched on the key word there, control.
So the government in the East right now, especially the federal government, everything it does, every policy, it's about control.
It's about you should comply and be an obedient servant to the government.
And that is not the role of government.
That has never been the intention.
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Now, that is the way it is.
But that has reversed over decades.
The role of the government is to protect your God-given rights.
And that to me is number one.
The government should never be allowed to use force on its own people, with the exception of enforcing the laws.
And the laws need to be just, right?
And they shouldn't be interfering in the daily lives of its citizens.
Like government should be the most boring thing on the planet.
Nobody should have a reason to talk about it, right?
Because it should just be there doing the small few little things that it was designed to do.
And it has basically infiltrated every aspect of our lives that needs.
And that's what really truly needs to change.
We need to put government back in its box.
And then we need to literally wrap chains around it and, you know, cement it clothes to make sure that it only does a handful of things that it's supposed to do and nothing more.
Get out of people's lives, let people live their lives.
And for me, I challenge taxation in my book, you know, because where did the government get the right to tax you?
You know, taxation in this country started as a temporary measure to pay for the war.
And the government never does anything temporary.
And when they get a little bit of control and a little taste of what's possible, they keep going.
And so we went from paying 3%, 4% to pay for a war to now you give up more than 50% of your paycheck in provincial and federal taxes, plus you're paying fuel taxes, excise taxes, custom taxes, all those other taxes.
So I would say arguably like the average maybe upper middle class individual is paying close to maybe 70% of every dollar they earn in some form of tax.
It's crazy.
I was in Dubai two years ago because we went to Israel and then we were, it wasn't a pleasure cruise.
We were there talking about the Abraham Accords and, you know, how Trump was in power and peace broke out in the Middle East at the time.
And I just looked around Dubai and they just build things just for the sake of building it, like a building that has a cruise ship on the top of it.
And that's what I just walked around in awe thinking this is what, like, save for the like stu the gimmicky stuff, but it's just a bustling, rich, like rich, orderly society.
And I thought, this is kind of what Alberta could be if government just got out of the way, if we had low taxes, that we attracted all those businesses that fled to West Texas and fled to other jurisdictions.
If we just were serious about inviting business back, just the enormous wealth that we could generate being the world's largest, third largest oil reserves.
Like that, there's, we're just leaving so much on the table and we're leaving it there in no small part thanks to the federal government, but a lot of it has to do with provincial regulations too.
Absolutely.
You know, government has to realize that money goes where it's easy, right?
Government, like money, because I mean, that's my business for the last two and a bit, 20 plus years.
Capital likes predictable.
They like stable and it needs to be easy.
And people will reinvest that capital over and over and over again.
And that's what creates jobs and opportunities.
And you know what?
There is absolutely no reason why Alberta should be paying like its citizens any taxes, just like Dubai.
We have the natural resources, not only oil and gas, but we have minerals, we have coal, we have, I mean, the timber.
I mean, the list goes on and on and on.
And I'll tell you this, that the biggest, you know, profit center and the greatest resource that Alberta has is your people.
You know, we are resilient, we're entrepreneurial, we're spirited, better or worse, which is why the East does not like us, right?
We are spirited, have an opinion kind of people.
And that is a problem for them because we are the ones that, you know what, if you can't have the conversation, the debate, and here's the other thing I want to say, like in my book, I am definitely an advocate for independence, but in my book, this really was written more for the people who are not necessarily convinced independence is the way to go, or for the teacher who's in the union and has been told that you have to resist this altogether.
This book is about challenging some of those ideas and laying it out for you really easy.
Healthcare.
We cling on to this miserable, monopolistic public health care system that is just absolutely dismal.
Bad results, long wait times.
People are dying trying to get treatment.
And yet you have something like Japan.
And I do give some of these little examples.
Japan, universal healthcare.
Better results, lower cost.
You know, so what is, why do we keep clinging to these bad ideas when there are the world has already shown us there are better ways to do it?
You know, I'm so glad you brought up healthcare because the Fraser Institute just released a report this morning that says the average Canadian family pays $19,000 for their universal health care.
That is, you'd be lucky if you used it once a year.
No, no, no, Sheila.
Our healthcare system is free.
Right.
Right.
It's free and it's great.
It's free.
And it works perfectly.
I'm so happy with it.
And this is the problem.
Everybody believes that if the government's providing something, it's a free service.
It is not a free service.
And when it comes to healthcare, you're paying, you're paying double because you're paying in high, high taxes.
Like you said, I'm glad they just published that.
$19,000 a year.
Wow.
Two adults, two kids.
That's a family of four.
Wow.
And then you're paying for really, really poor service and you're paying for really no choice.
Right.
Because what choice do you have?
Right.
I mean, they say we have a universal healthcare system, but we also have a private system on the side.
If you can afford to go to the United States, it's there for you.
Yeah.
We have a monopolistic.
This is what big government does.
It creates these big monster institutions that then have a monopoly over the industry.
And then, of course, that creates conformity.
It creates compliance.
Licensing and registration is something else I challenge in my book.
You know, licensing and registration is nothing more than a means of controlling people.
That's all it is, right?
And you have to understand legally what it means to register, to license something.
You know, when I talk about taxation, property taxes, people think they own their home.
Don't pay your property tax for three years and find out who owns your home.
Right.
Right.
It's like we are living in a renter society.
We're living in a society where we are the ones having to ask for permission from our government.
And that was never the intention.
Living in a Renter Society00:06:47
I could talk to you all day, but I am going to be late for the live stream coming up right away.
Nadine, how can people get a copy of your book and see some of the other advocacy that you do?
Because, you know, what you do is not just now the book.
You're out there everywhere fighting the good fight of freedom.
Yeah, I try.
So I do go to a number of local events.
I'm hopefully going to be at the We Unify conference with some books.
God willing, they will actually arrive on time so that I can help sell and promote those there.
I think there's a number of different activities that are going on throughout the province.
Other people will also be able to kind of promote and sell my book.
The book is available on Amazon.ca, Alberta Rising.
If you just type those two words in, it'll show up with me right there.
And it's available on Kindle, hard copy, soft copy, of course.
And I'm the easiest person in the world to find.
If you type in my name, Nadine Wellwood, PPC or Nadine Wellwood UCP, good and bad usually shows up everywhere.
Nadine Wellwood, Nadine at NadineWelwood.ca, if you ever want to get in touch with me, I always encourage people, you know, share your thoughts, send me your comments.
If you have a question, by all means, please do Nadine at NadineWelwood.ca.
I have a website.
I'm on YouTube as well.
And I'm often doing different interviews.
I just did one with Preston Manning, Dr. Jack Mintz.
Lots of people really enjoy hearing the different perspectives.
And yeah, and thank you so much, Sheila.
I am a big fan of yours.
I guess you have been.
I think you know that.
Every time I talk to you, I'm like running up to you.
How's it going?
Oh, I appreciate that.
The feeling is mutual.
And I'll make sure that I put a link in the show notes so that people can just click right through to the Amazon page.
Nadine, thank you so much for fighting so hard for Albertans and Alberta families just like mine.
Well, I have a daughter too.
that's what the fight's all about right as always the last portion of the show belongs to you I turn the show over to you.
Actually, you become the guest because without you, there's no rebel news.
So I guess I should put an ear to the ground to find out what you think about the work that we do here.
It's why I give my email out to you.
It's Sheila at RebelNews.com.
If you have questions, concerns, comments about my interview with Nadine Wellwood, send them there.
You might just see them read on the show.
Now, today's viewer feedback comes by way of my interview with Jennifer Leewett.
know her as Jennifer L on X.
She is an indigenous woman from Saskatchewan who is currently fighting with the Métis Nation of Saskatchewan for transparency and accountability.
And I thought it was such an important conversation that we published the entire interview in full on YouTube.
And so that's where I go for the viewer feedback today.
Ananda 12783 writes, this is a real woman with real knowledge.
Keep up the good fight.
She really is.
You know, her mother is a member of the Métis Nation.
Her children, I believe, are members also.
And she can't even attend a meeting now.
They're saying it's harassment to ask questions about where all the money is going, which is absolutely insane.
It's just plain old accountability.
And the putt that I hate the most is we would not stand for this if it were just a regular small town in Canada doing this.
But because it's the Métis nation of Saskatchewan, there's sort of a standoffishness to really press down on the issues.
And Métis people are entitled to know what the government is doing, just like the rest of us.
Blaine 8094 says he had to cancel TikTok.
The amount of craziness on there was getting out of hand.
The only thing I missed was Jennifer Leewitz.
She brought a refreshing, logical, intelligent, and unbiased attitude.
So smart, sorry, so smart.
She called out every political party.
What is happening to her and others is the direct result of the far-left HiveMind, another community who defines free speech as toxic when they are asked for transparency.
We see it every day, whether it is special interest groups, protesters, or even government on all levels, either join the fray or be chastised and excommunicated.
It really is true.
Jennifer, for those of you who don't know, she is one of a number of Indigenous activists for accountability who were hit with these deeply flawed cease and desist letters, basically telling them, cease and desist asking questions.
Well, then give them answers and they'll stop asking questions.
It's just crazy.
Dimitri Sotis 8632 says, great discussion.
Lewits is clearly a smart, articulate woman and represents her position very well.
CBH781 says, great guest gun.
Jen is a true Saskatchewan gem with what I'd bet is a bright future.
Oh, I know she's got a bright future.
And so does everybody around her.
And I hope she wins this fight.
RF7869 says, Jennifer is just asking the same questions that most Canadians are asking their politicians and getting the same answers and threats.
Good luck.
It is true.
However, I know exactly what my municipality spends.
I know what the mayor makes.
I know his expenses.
She doesn't have that.
And that is deeply unjust.
JY4U, every Native community and their councils need to be audited.
I think they need to be treated like every other community in this country.
Then held accountable to all taxpayers who keep paying for their vacation trips to Vegas.
Now, again, the same could be said of every single politician in this country.
The more transparency that the taxpayers have and the people who are governed by these people have, the better.
And I just don't understand why they wouldn't turn this information over unless they have something to hide.
Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight.
Thank you so much for tuning in.
I'll see everybody back here in the same time, in the same place next week.