Avi Yemini and guest Saar, a former music producer turned anti-Israel propaganda debunker, expose how narratives like "IDF genocide" ignore Hamas’s October 7th atrocities—mass rapes, executions, and hostage-taking documented at Hamas-massacre.net. Saar highlights Islamist distortions of religious texts, comparing the conflict’s PR war to past emotional debates (e.g., transgender issues) where logic eventually prevailed. He praises Avi Amini’s patient online engagement but criticizes pro-Palestinian groups for weaponizing language while dismissing Jewish historical claims, despite Israel’s UN-recognized legitimacy. The episode argues that peace requires Islam’s reform, not just emotional appeals. [Automatically generated summary]
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Welcome back to the Yumini Report.
Today, we have a special guest that I'm excited to talk to.
But for those of you who don't know Saha, I'll just give you a little taste.
Watch.
You motherfuckers are still going into Syria because you want more land because you think there's part of Syria that belongs to the Israeli part of Lebanon.
Why would we give back the Sinai Peninsula for peace?
Why would we do it?
It was filled with oil and beautiful things.
Why would we give it back?
Give it back to who?
To Egypt for peace.
And by the way, we also offered to give Gaza back because they controlled it from 1948 till 1967.
Egypt said, no, we don't want them.
They make problems.
You attack in strategy.
Let me explain.
Syria, as you know, just became a free state, right?
It didn't become a free state.
It became a dictatorship.
I need to shut up.
No, I can't.
No, Syria is not free.
What's happening to the Christians in Syria?
What's happening to the Jews in Syria?
By Al-Takhir, by the brigades.
What's happening?
You're good.
I'm not going to lie.
You maintain this peace that makes me want to make me so more infuriated.
It's seeking a lot of peace.
That's exactly why this piece is so good and why it's working on social media.
Fucking good.
Aren't you fucking good?
You're good.
I'll give it to you.
Thank you.
You're word twisting.
You're everything.
You're good.
Word twisting?
Is it not happening to the Christians in Syria?
Is it not happening to the Jews in Syria?
Are they not being killed by Muslims?
The Christians in Israel?
Jews don't even think Christians should live.
I'm a Jew.
I think Christians should live in Israel.
Just like Jews should live in Israel and Arabs should live in Israel.
As long as we live in peace and don't start shit up, everybody can live here in peace.
So what is Palestine?
What is Palestine?
What is that?
Country.
You're saying Palestine is a country?
Yes.
So who is the leader of this country?
Who is the prime minister?
You guys eradicated everything besides Hamas.
Moses.
Oh, no.
You said Palestine is a country.
Okay, so you're saying that Palestine was a country before 1948?
Yeah.
Who was the prime minister then?
Name it.
Can I Google it for you?
Try.
And don't tell me Khajamin al-Hussaini.
He was appointed by the Brits to control only the Muslims.
Not the Christians, not the Jews, who were Palestinians as well.
Mahmoud Abbas.
Mahmoud Abbas only controls Area A in Judean Samaria.
He doesn't control Gaza.
So is Gaza not Palestine?
If Mahmoud Abbas is the leader, from Hamas and Jihad and terrorism.
Free Palestine.
Palestine is already free.
It was freed in 1948 and the Jews live there because it's their indigenous homeland.
Yeah, Benzuna, Free Palestine.
Why are you cursing?
Why are you going to personal events?
Why do you do that?
Where do you come from, Orgina?
From Judea.
What is Judea?
Judea is the former name of Palestine.
You say Palestine, yes?
No.
No, Judea before.
Judea was renamed Palestine by the Romans.
Then Palestine.
Yes.
It wasn't Balestine.
There was no Balestine.
It was Syria-Palestina that was given by the Romans.
Not by the Arabs, not by the Arabs.
Okay, your parents from where?
My parents are from Israel.
Your grandfather from where?
All of them come from Judea.
How old is Israel?
77.
And how old is Palestine?
Before Israel.
How old is Palestine?
I'm Ojina from Rafah.
My father from Rafah.
My grandfather from Barbara.
My grand grandfather from Barbara.
My grand granddaughter from Barbara.
How old is Palestine?
Tell me the age.
You know the age.
I will not answer you because you don't know the age.
I told you where I am from.
How old is Palestine?
Say the age.
I told you.
I told you when it's ill coming, the people from Jewish coming in Palestine.
You know that some Jews never.
What do you have to say about the Jews that were killed in the Hebron massacre in 1929 by Muslims?
What do you have to say about this?
No, no, you don't respect me.
will not answer you when I was talking because I asked you a question I asked you a question and then you decided I'm not finished I'm going to ask you again: how old is Palestine?
If a different answer is going to come out of your mouth, then you're deflecting my question.
I answered your question when you asked me how old is Israel.
I said 77.
How old is Palestine?
Answer.
No, no, you don't answer me.
Answer the question.
I'm going to keep muting you until you answer the question.
I want productive conversation, not you running away.
How old is Palestine?
Where are the Arabs from?
From Arabia.
Where are they from?
Can we ask Shad GPT?
Yeah.
You can ask.
They are from Canaan.
If you research.
No, they're not.
Where do Arabs come from?
What's their place of origin?
So the origin of Arabs is generally traced back to the Arabian Peninsula, which includes modern-day countries like Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Oman, and the surrounding areas.
No, bro, I don't mean that.
Arabs don't originate from Canaan.
But that is like Arabic language.
Are we literally listening to the Muazin in the UK right now?
Do Arabs originate from Canaan?
Yes.
No, Arabs don't originate from Canaan.
Their origins are primarily traced back to the Arabian Peninsula.
And the Canaanites were a different group of people who lived in the Levant region.
Thank you, brother.
You're the best.
Okay, now I'm going to show you.
I'm going to show you.
I just proved to you.
Here's the answer in English.
The Arabs are not originally from Canaan.
The origins of the Arabs trace back to the Arabian Peninsula, especially southern Arabia, modern-day Yemen, where the early Arab tribes emerged.
Where do the Jews come in Palestine?
From Judea.
No, actually, it's Britannia or hey, brother, where do Jews originate from?
Can you say it in Arabic?
Saar, how you doing, mate?
Absolute champion.
I think the viewers will all agree that is some amazing work.
How did you end up doing this?
So, first of all, thank you for having me.
Why I Started00:15:24
It's a pleasure to be speaking to one of my idols on social media, on YouTube.
No, no, I really am looking up to you.
I've been looking up to you for a long time.
I love your videos.
So, that's the first thing.
Second thing, I am nobody.
That's who I am.
I started doing this out of pure love for my country, pure love for my people.
And it all actually happened.
It all started on October 7th.
I was woken up by a phone call by my sister.
She told me, lock the doors.
There's terrorists in the country.
And I said, What?
What the hell are you talking about?
What terrorists?
Locked the doors.
It was 12 p.m.
I woke up in the middle of everything.
I wasn't aware that terrorists invaded the country.
I wasn't aware about the festival.
I wasn't aware about anything.
I was shocked.
I went on social media at the end of the day to see what people say.
I said, I asked people, I asked myself and my wife, do you think people will finally understand what our people are going through?
That was the question.
Went on social media and I heard the most blatant lies about my country, about my people, about our people.
I just couldn't stay silent.
So I started joining TikTok debates out of really out of really out of pure intention to educate people and to let them know that the host is lying and that the people on the panel are lying and that this is not a Bruno Mars concert.
This is a festival that was invaded.
That's what I did.
I started going on debates on TikTok debates, didn't give much thought to it.
And people told me after, yo, you've got something.
You need to do more debates on TikTok.
So that's what I did.
I was doxxed, exposed, and I realized that this thing wasn't working.
Took a step back, started recording one-on-one conversations on Omi TV, just like Hamza, our friend that exposes fake propaganda on social media, exposes, he films fake propaganda with children.
And I've noticed there's a lot of children.
A lot of children.
Why?
We'll talk about it in a bit, but I realized it was working.
I realized it's easily consumable content and I decided to do the same thing.
So I started recording, filming, and it was insane from that moment.
People love the conversations.
And I feel like people love consuming content that is easily shareable, not too heavy, and really, really easy to understand.
That's how I'm – Especially when it comes to this subject, I think a lot of people, it's really hard to decipher what's true, what's false, what's emotional, what's fact-based.
And watching you, you have, whoever told you you have something were completely right because you have this ability in the moment to just be really calm and get dig deeper than, you know, I often notice how they will assume they know where you're going.
And then you just go, you have this calm way of going, no, hold on.
I just want to understand this little point.
And they unravel, which is like with what we're seeing online at the moment, it is so important.
And I think it's obviously resonating with a lot of people because a lot of people know, a lot of people know the hyperventilation from either the far right or, you know, a big part of the Islamic community or even the far left, whatever.
Those three are dominating the internet at the moment.
They know that they're talking nonsense, but it's really hard to break through, let's say, the chants of free Palestine and all the buzzwords, you know, apartheid, genocide, everything we hear over and over again.
And you know what they say?
When you repeat a lie enough times, generally people start believing it.
And that's what we're seeing at the moment.
So tell us a bit more about your personal history.
So I get that's how you started.
What were you doing before that?
And how old are you?
I'm 29 years old.
29 years old.
I'm a part of a triplet.
I have a twin brother and a twin sister.
And before that, I was in marketing.
I was just doing marketing with me and my brother's business.
I'm not going to disclose what it is.
I don't want it to be exposed.
I don't want people to leave bad reviews.
So I'm not going to do that.
But I was in marketing.
I was actually a music producer.
I have a tattoo right here because I used to make music, used to be a pianist, used to produce.
That was my true love.
I truly, you know, I was in love with the camera even before because I had a YouTube channel for my music.
So this whole thing kind of was pretty natural for me, you know, to be in front of the camera and to speak.
But yeah, that was my true passion.
I wanted to be a musician.
And that passion kind of faded away when I realized that there's more important things in life.
And this is why I'm doing what I'm doing.
Okay.
Now, in these conversations, what have been your, well, these debates?
What has been, I guess, from your perspective, the most shocking thing you've found or the most shocking interaction?
Well, my most shocking interaction was not even filmed.
That's how I realized that I should be filming these interactions.
I was with my wife on the couch.
And we were talking to this one guy from Nablus.
And he started really, really hostile.
And I was like, wow, that's kind of crazy.
I don't know how we're speaking to this guy.
He was very hostile.
We were able to get him to relax and have a decent conversation with us.
And then he asked us, well, okay, so you're telling me I can go, like I can visit Israel and nobody's going to try to kill me because he was brainwashed that people are going to try to kill him even if he steps foot in Israel.
I was like, of course you can come.
As long as you have the right permits, you can come.
You can visit Yafo.
You can visit Haifa.
You can go to places with a lot of Arabs and you'll see that everybody's treated equally.
And he said, insane.
And I asked him, what do you think will happen to me if I try to visit you at Nablus as a Jew as an Israeli?
And he said, you're right.
My friends and I will probably try to kill you because that's what we were taught.
That was my, that was the key point.
I was like, I have to record what I'm doing because this is so important for people to see, so important for people to listen to because that's the side of the story.
Westerners are not aware of the Middle East.
They don't know Middle Eastern mentality.
They have no idea.
And people like you and people like me are here to expose it.
So that was my most shocking conversation.
Absolutely most shocking conversation.
So you did mention before, and I know some of the viewers here won't even know what you're talking about, referencing the Palestinian that does the same thing that kind of in a way sounds like inspired you to do it.
Tell us a bit about him and then tell us about your interaction and what you found with him.
Because I do know, you know, when we see two people who are doing almost the same thing on opposite ends of the spectrum, it is kind of you and this guy.
He's all over TikTok.
And I have noticed, you know, when he pops up live, I see he's generally talking to kids.
And I've gone on and done some of these live stuff because of you.
It's a completely different game.
I think you do it brilliantly.
I don't know if it is my game, but when I see the point I'm making is that when I see kids, I just skip over them because I'm just like, I'm not going to engage with kids.
But it looks like he's intentionally talking to kids.
Tell us who he is and what you found from your interaction and a bit more about that.
So his name is Hamza Sada.
He used to be a Twitch streamer and he used to stream about, I think, Fortnite, if I'm correct.
I don't know.
I didn't watch.
And the reason why he's speaking to children is because he knows that in order to demonize the people of Israel, you need to show people that the children are treating him like crap and trash.
So he talks to children who already know him from social media.
They know the vile person that he is.
So as soon as they see him, they curse him because they see what he does.
And then he captures these moments as if those children were taught to hate, were taught to curse, and he's acting like an innocent little boy speaking to these children.
Now, if you have just a little bit of intelligence, can't you see that children are not the right people to talk about this topic with?
Can't you see?
If you actually watch my live stream.
How old is Hamza himself?
What was that?
How old is Hamza?
Do you know?
He's, I think, 23 or 22.
Like he's old enough to know that you don't bring children into the conversation.
You talk to somebody at least over the age of 18.
And I'll tell you now, the other day I actually, he popped up and I was watching live and he was talking to kids and they were actually genuinely nice Israeli kids.
And he was saying, so one kid, he was saying, so your grandparents were from Iran.
Your grandparents are from Iraq.
And, you know, and he puts on the real Arabic accent when he says that.
And he goes, so what are you guys?
And they go, we're Israeli.
He goes, how are you Israeli?
They're like, we were born here.
He goes, oh, okay.
So if I was born on a plane, what would I be?
And it was funny because these kids were taking it really in good faith.
They were genuinely good kids.
And they go, well, so one of the kids was like, well, it depends on the law of the land.
Like in America, he goes, I believe that if you're born over America, you're actually then given American citizenship.
He goes, but, or it could be from where you came from.
He goes, but no, what if I was born?
He goes, he's debating these little kids on the most nonsensical positions.
He goes, well, what if you're born over the Atlantic Ocean?
Are you Atlantic?
And the kid, like, was, because they're kids, they were just going back to, it depends what the law of each side of where you came from.
He goes, no, but based on what you're saying, because you're born in Israel, that makes you Israeli.
And so I walked away from that.
Like, obviously, you're just, you know, angry to see that this adult is taking these little kids who are coming at him in good faith and positioning the most, you know, dishonest and bad faith kind of argument when, hold on.
So really, though, when you look at and unpack what he's saying, it's the most racist thing you can say because essentially you're saying that anybody that is not from that country can never have citizenship of a particular country.
And so if you apply that even to him, where's he based?
Isn't he based in America?
If I remember correctly, he is based in America.
He was not born in Palestine.
He was born in America.
So why does he claim to be Palestinian if he was born in America?
He's American.
No, no, according to him, no, no, that would work with his argument.
He'll go, he's Palestinian.
He's not American.
So then, but based on that, get out of America.
And based on that, fine, it works good for your little story.
But you're telling me now, because, you know, in Australia, in America, you have people that come from all around the world.
And so you're essentially saying that I'm not Australian.
You're essentially saying all the Muslims that come here and who are proud to be Australian are suddenly not Australian because their grandparents weren't born here.
So it is by definition the most racist argument you can make.
And he is somebody that I'm assuming I don't watch enough about that identifies with the left.
And this goes against everything that they ever say.
They're like, open arms, everybody can come.
We are one country.
So to me, I just find that this obsession that people have with these kind of content creators that do target kids and make what they would usually consider the most racist arguments.
Why is there this suddenly this kind of, why do you think that there is, suddenly they ignore the undertone, the clearly racist position it's coming from.
Why suddenly does racism not matter to them on the left, the people that usually scream and cry about it?
Like if you told an Arab to these people that you're not Australia, so here in Australia or in Canada or whatever, that you're not, you're not, you can never be that.
You can never be Australian.
You can never be American.
They will curse you out as a racist.
Why do they give him a free pass?
You know, to your point that you said that Hamza is with the left, I don't think Hamza's with the left.
I feel like there's some sort of Some sort of bond between two sides that are on opposite sides, Islamist and the left.
Because Hamza identifies with Islam and he more than the left.
But right now they're seeing that there's a common mission to get rid of Israel.
So the most absurd groups of people, gays for Palestine and Muslims, for some reason conspire together for a greater mission, which is getting rid of the Jews.
You know?
So Hamza to me is not with the left.
He's a famous.
You know what?
Even accepting, I don't know enough about him to say that he's whether he's an Islamist or a leftist.
And there is often that, you know, that unholy alliance we call it.
But even taking the Islamist position, they're the ones in Australia.
The Islamists will rally if you say they're not Australian.
They will call you a racist if you say they're not Australian.
So why suddenly do they get a free pass to claim that this Israeli kids that were, that their grandparents were chased out of their homes in the Middle East and found refuge in Israel and were born and bred in Israel.
How does he get a free pass to suddenly call that kid not Israeli?
That's a good question.
I know I should probably pose it to him, but I'm wondering if you have a theory.
I mean, I feel like nothing, listen, if you truly have history on your side, then it shouldn't be really difficult to understand.
It shouldn't be that difficult to understand.
But because history is not on their side, they'll do everything in their power to make it seem like it's absurd that Israelis are Israelis and Australians are Australians.
And I mean, they'll use whatever tools they have to delegitimize the Jewish people connection to the land.
And by the way, we can say that also the Arabs who have connection to the land as well, that's fine.
Nobody's telling the Arabs of the land to leave.
You can live here in peace as long as you don't try to kill us.
But they use whatever tools they have to legitimize us.
Indigenous Argument Conquest00:09:53
And also, he likes to say that he is connected to the Canaanites.
How come?
Nobody has any connection to the Canaanites.
Why?
You want to overpower the Jews?
This is actually an interesting conversation because I don't know if you've seen that show on Prime, The Kingdom of David.
Have you seen that?
Oh, okay.
I didn't know.
This was just like my friend told me the other day to watch it.
My wife and I were the house of David.
Yeah.
The house of David.
And we watched it.
We actually watched it like over the last two days.
And what's funny is my wife's not Jewish.
In fact, she has two Muslim kids.
So completely approaches these things from like this ground of wanting to understand and loving the people involved.
And so when we're watching the show, it comes up to obviously there's a big war with the Philistines.
And she's like, oh, wait, is that, is that the, is that the Palestinians?
I thought the Palestinians were not, like, mentioned.
He's like, I go, no, no, no, you'll never hear the Palestinians calling themselves Philistines.
I go, because that undermines their entire argument, because look up where the Philistines come from.
And she's googling it.
She goes, oh, they're from like an island next to one of the Greek islands or something like that.
And it's like, exactly.
And it's funny when they want to, when they need to legitimize themselves, they will go back to something like the Canaanites.
And it's like, so why are you not called the Canaanites now?
Why did you change your history through that?
And it was just like an eye-opening moment for even somebody like my wife to go, holy crap, there is so much distortion and weaponizing of language to justify their position.
And the position is quite clear.
The position is not, you know, two peoples in one land, you know, or two states, never like that.
It's like, no, it's we, this is our land.
We belong here.
You have no right to this.
And you need to go back to where you come from.
And it's just, like you said, history is just not on their side.
So they need to play all these different tactics to kind of justify it.
But you don't see it in any other conflict.
So like when you go around the world, there's three ways in which people get a nation state, right?
There's through conquest, which I'm in a country in Australia, which we got it legitimately via conquest.
If we didn't get it, it's like that saying that meme that all the Jew haters love to play of that one stupid fat settler in Israel that was like, you know, caught on camera and they go, why are you here?
If I don't take it, somebody else will.
And as stupid as that is, if you apply that logic to the West, like in Australia, it's also true.
Like if somebody, if we didn't come and conquer this land, if the Brits didn't take it, they'll probably be speaking Chinese right now.
So it's either through conquest, which is...
This specific portion that you just said, the Palestinians, the pro-Palestinians around the world love to show that video with no context whatsoever.
These people have not been paying rent for years, for years.
They were squatters.
So if you don't pay rent, you need to leave the house.
It's very simple.
But they like to play that side of the street.
You're saying in that particular clip where they were squatting in the house.
And yes, I get what you're saying.
But even taking it on face value, it's pretty funny because if you apply that same logic, it's almost uniquely only ever applied to Israel.
This idea that conquest doesn't mean you own it.
So there's conquest.
But then if you don't want to play the conquer, if you don't like the conquest, if you're one of these people that subscribe, like in Australia, there are people, there's the far left, subscribe to the idea that this is actually indigenous land because they have 65,000.
Well, every year it tends to grow the length of the history.
But I think now they're up to 65 or 70,000 years of history on this land, which they can't even prove anywhere close to what there is archaeological, clear evidence of Jewish life in Israel or what they call Palestine as indigenous people, or at least far longer than the so-called Palestinians.
So you have the indigenous argument works for the Jews as well there.
And somehow they dismiss that.
So usually it's the right that accepts conquest.
Usually it's the left that accepts the indigenous argument.
And then you have obviously the, you know, generally an idea that's accepted globally today is if it's if it's a country that's been recognized by the United Nations.
But they have all three.
There's a fourth one, the most important one.
Exactly.
Well, I don't necessarily, you see, I don't subscribe to biblical beings.
Not because of a biblical perspective of our side.
It's actually in their side.
It's in their Quran.
But I use that as historical.
See, when I ever get into that conversation, I use the fact that it's in our Torah, in the New Testament, and also in their Quran as evidence that I subscribe to any of the religious tones or whatever.
It's a historical, it's the best written history that we have that we all agree on to argue the indigenous argument, to argue that Jews were there first.
But for some reason, why is it that in this one conversation, in this one conflict, is it none of those are accepted by the groups that usually accept those arguments?
Because we're Jews.
And nobody accepts the nobody accepts our arguments.
But everybody will accept anybody else.
Nobody is questioning the existence of America.
You know what?
That's actually a very good comparison.
Pakistan was created created 14 million refugees, 7 million on each side, approximately 100,000 cases of rape.
Yet nobody's questioning the existence of Pakistan.
I don't know why.
Yet Israel was formed legally, legally by the League of Nations, legally by the UN, legally by land purchases, legally by a defensive war, because it's perfectly fine to occupy land in a defensive war that you did not start.
Yet people will still question.
Why?
Because we have 2 billion people against us.
And those 2 billion people will keep spreading that false narrative that we are not the right people, we are not indigenous, despite the fact that we tell them we are willing to share the land with Arabs as long as you don't threaten to kill us.
We are willing, but they are not willing to accept the fact that Israel is a Jewish state purely because of a theological reason.
It was conquered by Muslims and it must be conquered again because this land belongs to Islam.
That's my argument.
I know that some people may not agree, but this whole conflict is a theological argument.
The whole thing, we are attacked because we're Jews and they are Islamists.
When we are killed, it is chanted Allah waqbar.
When we are killed, when we are slaughtered.
And I don't know if it's necessarily your view, but it is my view.
That's why I try to convey to my viewers.
Again, nothing against Muslims.
Islamists, radical Islamists are incredibly dangerous to this world, incredibly dangerous to this world.
And quite frankly, most of the conversations that I had on this app with people who don't like me were Islamists.
Right off the bat, they saw me, they saw my flag, they cursed me right away.
They curse my mother, they curse my sister.
And there's no way to have a decent conversation with these people.
No way.
And they'll distort the facts, distort history, distort their Quran, distort our Bible.
They will say that Moses was a Muslim.
Why?
You're trying to overpower the Jews.
That's the easiest argument.
Everyone's a Muslim.
You win every argument like that because everyone was...
No, I tend to agree with you.
I think that, and I would go further.
I would say that it's the Islamists, which unfortunately, by definition, they're actually just people that practice their own religion properly.
They're the ones not skipping over the parts that are uncomfortable to them.
But beyond that is the problem goes far beyond that.
You say 2 billion people because you're talking about the broader, the majority of the Muslim world.
Because even the rest of them that are not quote unquote Islamists, they are going to, they side with them.
So at best, they'll stay quiet.
Oh, look, I'm not, today the Abraham Accords changed things for me.
I finally got to see a glimpse and a chance of real genuine peace.
And I think it's probably an example of progression in Islam.
So in the direction that it needs to go, just like Christianity and Judaism did do.
Islam needs that to be able to reform itself.
Unfortunately, it's a much bigger quest just because the foundation of Islam is a lot more violent.
You know, if you look at the life of Muhammad himself, like you have, yes, you have the peaceful Muhammad in the beginning, and then you have the warlord who went out killing and raping Jews.
You know, so there's it is a to be able to get to that point where they're reforming, and also in itself, it is a conquering faith.
It believes in, you know, every Muslim believes at the end of the day, the entire world is going to, by force, become an Islamic state, which I don't think most Westerners understand that concept.
People Align Quickly00:09:56
Why do you think we're losing the PR war?
Because at the end of the day, Israel, and by extension, I think, even though there are people, a lot of people who think that they're America first, Australia first, or whatever, who are jumping on board by being those useful idiots.
Why do you think we are losing the PR war?
Is it just a numbers game?
Is it the fact that we're outnumbered?
Logical versus emotional.
Emotional will always be logical, no matter how many stats you share with people.
No matter how many people, if they, if you see a picture of a dead baby, people will not resonate with your logical point.
Never.
My point is this: if we want to win the PR war, and by the way, I talked about this many, many times.
There's a folder on Telegram with all of the graphic images that happened on October 7th.
The moment people see it, it's done.
It's a done deal.
People will say, What?
We have never, we were never shown this side of the story.
We were only told that the IDF is committing a genocide in Gaza.
We were told that the IDF is targeting children.
We were told that the IDF is targeting women, but they're never showing what actually matters.
The reason why we're fighting, the reason why we're fighting, and I ask people all the time, why are we in Gaza?
So people say, Because you want to kill kids.
That's not true.
We're in Gaza because we want to bring back our hostages and make sure that that sick organization is going to be wiped off of the face of the planet.
But the moment they see what they did on October 7th, the moment they see what they did with their GoPros right here, documenting everything, people change their minds.
When people see that Thai person, his head was almost chopped off.
Ridiculous.
People change their minds.
We need to play the same game that they are playing.
It's working for them because people react way better to information.
Israel's made it kind of their mission because there is an hour and a half, whatever, special film that the IDF and have played for journalists around the world, but they don't release it publicly.
Why are they working so hard not to make it easy for people to access that information?
And where can they find it?
For people who want to find it, do you know off the top of your head?
Yes, Hamas-massacre.net.
That's the website I recommend you to go.
Everything is there, divided into sections of mass rape, of whatever.
Everything is there.
Everything is there.
Hamas-massacre.net.
That's the best source that I found.
And there's also more graphic groups on Telegram that I, I think, a thousand people joined because of a link that I shared with my followers.
And people are seeing it and they reply back.
This is sick.
I can't believe I'm watching this.
People are not exposed to this side.
And the reason why I think Israel is not sharing it with the people is because they really want to respect the dead.
It's a different, again, it's a different mentality.
In the Muslim world, it's no problem to show dead people.
No problem to disrespect the dead.
In Jewish faith, in the Jewish faith, you cannot just desecrate the dead.
You can't show them.
It's not allowed.
So we're not showing, but I have a completely different mind.
This is our survival is at stake here.
Our survival is at stake.
People need to see what happened to us when we were attacked.
People need to see.
So Hamas-Massacre.net is the best source for you.
Okay, before I let you go, you said, I just want to put you up on one point, which I need to unpack a little further because you said the reason you think we're losing it, they're winning it is because it's emotional versus logical.
Now, I get that because, you know, we've seen a shift now, but if you apply it to other issues, so until now, until, to be honest, Trump's administration this time around, it seemed like things like, let's talk about the trans issues, was leaping ahead when it came to the emotional.
And yes, because the left subscribed to emotional and the right was subscribing to this.
Let's be logical about it.
Let's be practical.
Let's be scientific about it.
But, you know, there was headwinds.
They were winning.
And then suddenly it reached a peak madness where people go, nah, enough is enough.
And everybody's kind of pushed back.
And now finally, logic is winning.
How come that doesn't happen with this specific issue?
Why is logical not winning here?
So here it is a numbers game because I'm sure you're a member on X and you see the number of people sharing the same footage, the same images of graphic things that we see on social media.
Most of them are not necessarily true, but that's what they do.
So when you have, you know, by the way, and this problem is shared by a lot more people than the trans issue in the United States or different parts of the world, it's shared by millions of people.
And when you see it by millions of people from different sources from YouTube, from X, from TikTok, from Instagram, then how can you ignore?
How can you ignore?
And when people attach the word genocide to it, how can you ignore?
I promise you that if people would have done the same thing with what happened in Syria or with what's happening in Sudan or with what's happening in Yemen, I'm sure more people would have been aware, but nobody cares about other Muslims.
Nobody cares.
Well, you definitely don't have the 2 billion of them.
Millions.
We will share in the millions and we will make sure that the Jews will look damn evils.
And we'll call them Zios to hide the fact that we hate Jews.
We'll call them Zios.
We're not going to call them Jews.
We'll call them Zios just to hide our anti-Semitism towards them.
So it's a numbers game.
What you said, plus emotional.
When you combine these together, you win the PR war.
You can't do anything about that.
I agree with that.
I do believe that there is, you know, as soon as you pose something, suddenly you're inundated with like it's just insane the level, the amount, and the kind of people that are aligning each other.
Like you said, you have the Islamists and the leftists, but I think on top of that is also you have the right.
So you have like this horseshoe theory in which they both meet and the Islamists are in the middle just using whichever useful idiot suits them for that particular argument.
And that's what's so funny about these people is that their argument can shift based on who they're talking to.
And that's why I love what you do, because I think that you actually, you force them into a position.
I have a question for you because you've done the same thing as me.
You've been going on this app and talking to people.
How many times when you talk to people and you really talked sense into them?
Because I've seen your conversations.
You're very respectful, super good-looking guy.
You can transfer a point very well.
How many times when you gave them a super good point, they said, brother, they're children.
But you're talking about notice, you're talking about something logical because any other country would have done exactly the same.
But then they have to resort back to the emotional because the emotional is way stronger.
It's way stronger.
We have to play this game as well if we want to win because our emotional story, the reason why we're doing this is stemming from the most horrific thing that happened to the Japanese.
The way they counter that is they just go, yeah, that was horrible.
But that's only 1,200.
You're talking about, you know, 60 to 1 billion people.
It depends which Hamas number you take.
Beautiful, beautiful.
But what would have happened if those 1,200 people would not have been killed by Hamas?
How many people in Gaza would have been alive today?
Yeah, yeah.
No, it's true.
Those are the counter-arguments, and you do execute them really well.
Excuse the use of that word in this context.
But no, I do love what you do now.
For people that want to follow what you're doing, which I highly recommend, where can they, how can they find you?
So I'm trying to grow my YouTube the most right now.
YouTube is official Sahar TV.
You can do it on TikTok and Instagram.
Same username, Official Sahar TV.
And yeah, that's it.
I do live debates.
I talk to people on stream.
And it's actually becoming into from a very toxic environment.
People are actually connecting together.
And it's absolutely amazing to discuss these topics with sometimes knowledgeable people and sometimes not so knowledgeable people.
Really, it's amazing.
And I'm sure you're going to enjoy it.
I do enjoy it.
Look, there's not many other people I like to watch.
My wife always makes fun of me that I like to watch back my own videos.
But now we could throw some of your videos.
And there's some other guys.
There's a guy that sings in their language perfectly.
He shocks every single one of them.
And then he tells them he's Israeli.
He's unbelievable.
You've got your friend Yoav as well.
There's a few people doing it.
And I think it's so important at this time that at least there's a little bit of light on the internet.
At a point in time that we're going to look back and we're going to think it was, I think, you guys who managed to shift at least at some point, keeping it up by not.
It's so much easier to crawl into a little hole and dig your head in the sand and just wait for it to all pass.
But I don't think it will pass unless we have people like you doing what you're doing.
So I think on behalf of everyone, thank you for doing what you do.
And thank you for joining us today.
I'd like to thank you personally because a real Jew with no trembling knees looks exactly like Avi Amini right here.
This man have done some crazy videos.
And I told him, I told him personally, I don't know how you're doing this because I've been to protests in Washington.
I've been to protests in New York City.
Brave Protester, Scared Activist00:01:42
Going face to face with these people and talking to them is really one of the scariest things because you never know what they can pull out of their pocket, what they can do.
Crazy.
So this guy right here is a true, true, brave.
He may call it maybe, I don't know.
You called it something else when I told you you were brave.
But I think you're absolutely incredible.
Absolutely incredible.
So thank you.
The thing that I look at is, of course, you get afraid in those situations.
I think adrenaline just helps you sometimes.
But I find that easier for me, to be honest, I've tried a little bit of doing the online stuff and I find kind of getting into the conversation, the rhythms harder.
And you've got to have super patience in just waiting till you land on somebody that can string a sentence together and formulate an argument besides for just swearing at you or whatever.
Whereas on the street, they're kind of there to get their, you know, their message across.
You're going to a place in which they want to tell you what they think.
And then obviously a rock up there.
But do I get scared?
Of course I get scared.
You'd be stupid not to get scared at certain points.
But that's why I have a massive security guard.
He kind of numbs that fear.
Sometimes, you know, even security doesn't help us.
Um, but I do, I do love, and I will, I'll keep being inspired by your work.
And I'll, I'll, I might try it a couple more times, but they don't need me, we've got you.
Um, really appreciate it, man.
And I know it's really late by you, so we're gonna let you let you go.
But we'll we'll be following your work.
And I think hopefully one day soon we'll catch up in person.