Ezra Levant exposes South Africa’s hypocrisy in accusing Israel of genocide while ignoring its own violent land expropriation policies, where 84 white farmers were murdered last year and threats like "Kill the Boer" go unpunished. Trump’s Oval Office confrontation with Ramaphosa over "white genocide" claims revealed tensions, as Ramaphosa denied complicity but left empty-handed after prioritizing media optics over trade deals. Levant contrasts China’s exploitative African investments with U.S. potential, notes Canada’s COVID-era failures and extremist tolerance, and finds hope in public backlash—like Eurovision’s pro-Israel voting and Nigel Farage’s Reform Party victory—against elite narratives. The episode underscores how global elites weaponize refugee rhetoric while ignoring real persecution. [Automatically generated summary]
Another astonishing encounter at the Oval Office between two presidents, President Trump of the United States and President Cyril Ramaphosa of South Africa.
Holy smokes, did it get testy?
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Tonight, South Africa's president visits Donald Trump and he's given the Zelensky treatment.
It's May 22nd, and this is the Ezra Levant show.
Shame on you, you censorious bug.
Well, hi, everybody.
I'm back in Canada.
What a delight to be on our home soil.
I was going to be in the UK because Tommy Robinson was expected to be released from prison before the end of the week.
And I thought, I'm not going to fly all the way back and then fly all the way there.
So I was just going to take a couple days and wait for that moment.
But the prison engaged in their typical shenanigans.
If I understand things correctly, there is a rule that if you're going to be released on a weekend, you actually get released on the day before the weekend starts, or the before the holiday starts.
So you would be released on the Friday.
So that was what I was thinking would happen.
And that's what they told Tommy Robinson would happen.
But there's a calculation of when he's let out.
And apparently, they're measuring it to the hour, like it was a certain hour in the day he was let in.
And so that puts them into the weekend.
So he's not getting out until next week.
Like they're just playing these games with him, just measuring the minutes he was in jail so they could hold him in as long as possible.
And the reason I call it shenanigans is because they told him he was getting out on one day.
And then surprise, we're changing our mind.
We're changing the rules.
You're stuck in jail for an extra week.
And that's just so emblematic of how the prison has been treating Tommy Robinson.
Every pettiness, every mind game, every attempt to stress him out and degrade him, the sadistic treatment he has received in the UK over the last seven months, even in their release of him.
So that's why I'm back in Canada, but it is nice to be back here.
I'm worried about him.
And they've been doing this to him for months.
They're really not going to stop.
You probably saw my little news item about the fact that they're going to prosecute him for taking cameras of taking pictures of cameramen for being a paparazzi to take pictures of other paparazzi.
They're going to try and prosecute him for that.
I mean, just two-tier justice doesn't even properly sum it up.
It's a sham over there.
It's hard to keep believing in the British justice system when every month there's something else like this.
Here's a clip of me saying this sort of thing on GB News a couple days ago in the UK.
I was delighted to be on.
They're a pretty mainstream channel, pretty serious channel.
And I was delighted to be on Michelle Duberry's show.
Take a look.
There's been an appeal against the sentence.
That appeal essentially was rejected.
There was an appeal against the conditions that we've been discussing, segregation, call it what you will.
That was also rejected.
So, as far as the states essentially was concerned, the conditions and the duration absolutely fair.
You're right.
It's been very frustrating.
And I've known Tommy for years.
He actually briefly worked for Rebel News.
And I learned quickly that Tommy has a lot of interactions with the law.
I want to give you my personal opinion, which is I think Tommy Robinson is becoming someone for whom it's difficult to get the same justice that someone who was less famous or infamous would get.
And again, I don't want to judge the entire British judiciary because it is one of the finest judicial systems in the world.
But there is a disparity between the way the law goes after certain people based on their politics.
I'm not an expert in the Lucy Connolly case, but 31 months for a tweet that was rude, I grant you.
But holy smokes, 31 months, that's more than some convicted members of grooming gangs get.
And when Kirst Starmer set up the 24-hour day night court, the around-the-clock court, just to mass produce justice to jail people who, I mean, you were probably following it along with me.
I was on the other side of the Atlantic.
I was astonished.
People were getting jailed for gesticulating.
One guy was jailed for shouting at a dog.
I don't believe in shouting at dogs, a police dog, but you don't put someone in jail for two years for that.
And it just seemed to me that the justice in the UK, you've got to be, justice has got to be blind.
It's got to be the same for a Labour Party person or a Conservative or a Reform or someone on the right or someone on the left or a Christian or a Muslim.
Justice, that's why the symbol of justice is the lady with the blindfold on her eyes.
But I fear that it's getting to the point where Tommy Robinson may not be able to get fair justice in the UK because there's such, he's become such a legal pariah.
And all of what he's done, he would say, is journalism and activism, not moral turpitude, not crimes of violence or fraud or anything.
He would say he's just a crusading journalist.
You can disagree with that, but seriously, seven months in solitary confinement, don't let it be normalized.
Because first they come for Tommy Robinson, then they go for Nigel Farage, then they go for Lucy Connolly.
And who's next?
It's easier to fight censorship in the first ditch than in the last ditch.
Even if you don't like Tommy Robinson, even if you think he's a hooligan and foul, fine.
But remember, the precedent you're setting with him will come back to bite you.
That's the nature of the law.
You've got to fight for free speech, even for people you don't like.
So I'll try to go back over there when Tommy's free and talk to him.
He's my friend.
We've been covering his case for years.
We've been helping, including sometimes crowdfunding his legal bills or crowdfunding a trust fund for his kids.
I'm genuinely worried one day he's going to be killed.
God forbid, may it not happen, but it's got to be prepared for that.
Sometimes I give him a little bit of legal advice, though.
I'm not a British lawyer.
We've helped internationalize Tommy Robinson's story.
We've helped build an international support base for him, including in Canada and the United States.
A lot of our viewers are from there.
And there's reasons why.
First of all, people can see the injustice.
Second of all, he talks about themes that are of interest in Canada and the United States and Australia and New Zealand, and indeed on continental Europe and other places too.
Themes like the rise of Islamism, radical political Islam, mass immigration, terrorism.
And yes, these things are linked.
So I'm happy to be back here where it's a continuing disaster of our own.
You know, I'm worried about, I don't know if you saw this, the United States, in Washington, D.C. yesterday, two young, beautiful Israeli staff were assassinated, killed at point-blank range outside a Jewish museum.
Take a look and listen to the murderer, the assassin, explain his rationale very succinctly.
No, no, no.
Free, free Palestine!
Yeah, he's not Arab.
He's not Muslim.
He's never been to Palestine or Gaza, but he has been radicalized.
He's a member of a hardcore left-wing group.
And even the way he says free, free Palestine, just that rhythm, that's how they chant.
That is the chant, the mantra, the hypnotic chant that they have indoctrinated millions in.
Not in Arabia.
They don't say that in Arabia.
They say that in the West in English.
That man was radicalized.
What did you think globalized the Intifada man?
You know, Intifada means an anti-Semitic violent riot.
What did you think they meant by globalize the intifada?
They meant to bring it here, to bring it to Colombia, bring it UFT, bring it to McGill, bring it to Calgary, bring it to wherever they have these protests.
That's what they mean.
Did you think they didn't mean it?
And even if some of them don't mean it, if you have 100,000 or a million people across the West chanting that mindless chant, someone's going to take it seriously and do a little bit of murdering.
Here's a leftist in New York City challenging the deeply anti-Israel mayoralty candidate for New York City.
So I say again, the politician who's being attacked here is extremely pro-Hamas.
But he, I guess, in New York, where they have almost a million Jews, can't quite bring himself to say death to Israel.
But here is a left-wing activist saying, you've got to choose.
You can't be for Palestine and for Israel.
One of them has to die.
Take a listen to this.
Understand we are dealing with the most left-wing mayor, if he's elected, the most left-wing mayor in New York history.
And that's a lot considering an actual communist named Bill de Blasio was mayor.
And that is not enough for these Hamas types.
Take a listen.
What do you say about politicians that constantly reaffirm Israel's right to exist?
Because people like me are constantly attacked by politicians for standing up for Palestine, and you are constantly defending the right for Israel to exist.
My family is in Palestine right now, constantly under attack.
And I'm hearing you say free Palestine, but also Israel has the right to exist.
Don't be hypocritical.
Don't be hypocritical and say free Palestine when you're also defending the right for Israel to exist.
It does not have the right to exist.
It does not have the right to exist.
It's not your land to say it has the right to exist.
So yeah, two beautiful young people were murdered just for being Jewish at a Jewish place.
It was outside a Jewish event.
Don't pretend that there's a difference when people say, oh, I just hate Zionism.
I don't hate Jews.
It's like if someone said, oh, no, I don't hate Italians.
I just hate Italy.
I don't hate the French.
I just hate France.
No, you have to understand, I'm not a bigot.
What's so gross is watching on social media the pure celebrations of these murders.
These are two civilian Jews murdered in cold blood.
And the celebration, it's like it was for that assassin, Luigi Mangioni.
Demand For Killing00:07:20
Remember him?
Who just murdered a healthcare CEO?
Because that's what socialists do.
We have amongst the worst street hate marches in the world right here in Canada.
They have some big rallies in the UK.
I'll give them that.
But the kind of weakly, obsessive, over-the-top anti-Semitic, low-level crime, like constant crime, blocking things, trespass mischief, uttering threats, assaults, and even more serious shooting and fire bombings.
We've had that in Canada for a year and a half now, and it's been normalized.
Arson normalized.
And the police standing by and do nothing normalize.
And I'm worried it'll be even worse this weekend.
There's going to be a march for Israel in Toronto.
Typically, tens of thousands of people show up.
Are you worried that one of these wackos who may be a foreign national, a radical from Gaza or some other place, may be someone like that, or maybe just some wacko on the left, some antifathug who's just been brainwashed?
I don't know.
But back to the main story today of Cyril Ramaphosa, the president of South Africa, one of South Africa's richest oligarchs.
You could say he's a capitalist.
He's amassed so much wealth, but a lot of it is through crony capitalism.
For example, he made a lot of money on a cell phone company deal with his partner, the Islamic Republic of Iran.
He is an old communist.
He was a member of the COSATU, that's the South African Trade Union Congress, which was a communist movement.
He's with the ANC, which was a Communist Party.
I'm not even sure communism has a special meaning in South Africa.
It just means radical revolution to undo everything in that country's nature.
And I believe that country's in a deep decline, and Cyril Ramaphosa is presiding over it.
He himself is a billionaire, but the country itself is impoverished.
So Donald Trump had him over to visit, and he had a whole retinue with him, a whole entourage.
And then suddenly, Donald Trump says, turn down the lights and turn on the video.
And he played this video.
And I want to let it run for a few minutes.
I want to let Trump start, and I want it to go a little long.
I want you to hear a little bit of their back and forth.
Take a look.
So you denounce that type of language in the video that we saw.
Oh, yes.
We've always done so.
As government, as my own party, we are completely opposed to that.
We, in 1955, adopted a document which said, South Africa belongs to all who live in it.
But why wouldn't you arrest that man?
That man said, kill the white farmers, kill the white farmers.
And then he danced, and he's dancing, dancing, and it's kill the white farmers.
I think, I'm not sure, but I think if somebody got up in parliament and started saying, kill a certain group of people, he would be arrested very quickly.
That man is going all over South Africa, and that's not a small party.
That was a stadium that holds 100,000 people, and I hardly saw an empty seat.
That's a lot of people.
That's a lot of representation.
And those crosses, we have dead white people, dead white farmers, mostly.
And you take a look at Australia.
They're being inundated and we're being inundated with people that want to get out.
And their farm is valueless.
It's valueless.
And they just want to get out with their life.
And this is a very serious situation.
Excuse me, turn the lights down.
Turn the lights down.
And just put this on.
It's right behind you.
There's nothing this government can do.
With or without you, people are going to occupy land.
We require no permission from you, from the president, from no one.
We don't care.
We can do whatever we want to do.
Who are you to tell us whether we can occupy land or not?
We are going to occupy land, South African, occupy land.
That's who, yeah.
Honorable members, this is bigger.
Honorable.
Honorable.
Yes, honorable members.
You must never be scared to kill a revolution.
Demand that at some point there must be killing, because the killing is part of a revolution.
Shoot to kill your mother.
Kill the poor, the farmers.
The poor, the former, Bruh!
Bah!
So these people, when you want to in their heart, go after a white man.
They feel a terrible pain because you have touched a white man.
Not because my saba and Soni will not be touched.
There will be touches.
Don't worry.
But who are starting with this whiteness?
We are cutting the throat of whiteness.
Shoot to kill your master.
Kill the poor.
The farmer.
Kill the poor.
The farmer.
Power.
Prupa.
Shoot to kill Hamaza!
Kill the poor! Obama!
Kill the poor! Obama!
I don't know what to do I'm saying to you, what do you want for the killing of white people?
At least for her.
I kind of gotta see the future.
Yeah, but I mean, you'll understand something watching that, especially as it gets shared, but do they freak out?
Oh If they object, they can seek refugee in America.
Now, this is very bad.
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These are burial sites right here.
Burial sites.
Over a thousand of white farmers.
And those cars are lined up to pay love on a Sunday morning.
Each one of those white things you see is a cross.
And there's approximately a thousand of them.
They're all white farmers, the family of white farmers.
And those cars aren't driving.
They stop there to pay respects to their family member who was killed.
And it's a terrible sight.
I've never seen anything like it.
sides of the road you have crosses.
We're all killed.
Have they told you where that is, Mr. President?
No, I'd like to know where that is, because this I've never seen.
Okay.
I mean, it's in South Africa, let's beat it.
That is an enormously long time to be made to watch a video.
And the room was packed with journalists from America and from South Africa.
And the entourage was large.
I saw there was one lady there who I saw her criticized online for smiling like she was laughing.
I disagree with those commentators.
I think that was a reaction of extreme stress.
I mean, you're with a billionaire president, the most powerful man in South Africa, Cyril Manafosa, and Donald Trump is showing for six brutal minutes the threats of genocide, violence, mass murder by a member of the South African parliament, the Julius Malema, the head of the EFF party, the economic freedom fighters.
What a lie that name is.
By the way, the EFS only gets about 10% of the vote.
So they're sort of like South Africa's NDP, but the mainstream of South Africa is so socialist that to be more extreme than the communist ANC.
And I'm not using the word communist as an insult.
I think it's fair to say the ANC party is communist.
So if that's the largest party, imagine what the 10% most extreme party is.
That's that Julius Malema who chance killed a Boer.
Boer is, of course, the Dutch word for the Afrikaner white farmers who have been there for 400 years.
And that's another question, is how long does a people have to be somewhere before they're called indigenous?
When South Africa was settled by the Boers 400 years ago, it was quite empty compared to what it is now.
You've had an enormous amount of immigration, including illegal immigration, into South Africa for centuries to take part in the prosperous economy and relative safety and freedom of South Africa, even during apartheid times.
It's hard to fathom, but during apartheid, there was mass entering of that country by other people from other countries in Africa who, of course, South Africa was racist under apartheid, but it was safer, happier, and more prosperous, and even more free than the rest of Africa.
That tells you something incredible.
So this group, Julius Malema and his EFF chanting kill the Boer, they're serious.
And Ramafosa himself, who denied that they were part of his coalition government, you have to give him credit.
It's true.
It would be like trying to hang the NDP around, you know, Mark Carney.
They're friendly, but they're not in the same party.
But Ramafosa himself goes almost as far.
Here's a clip of him saying he believes in land expropriation, which he means taking the land away from white farmers, and he means it.
This year, we will take decisive action to realize the enormous economic potential of agriculture.
And as agriculture requires land, as agriculture needs land as a basic resource, we will accelerate our land distribution program,
not only to redress a grave historical injustice, but also to bring more producers into the agricultural sector and to make more land available to our people for cultivation.
We will pursue a comprehensive approach that makes effective use of all mechanisms at our disposal.
Guided by the resolutions of the 54th National Conference of the governing party, this approach will include the expropriation of land without compensation.
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It was an amazing ambush.
It was an ambush.
And Ramafosa had brought some white people along with him.
And I say that because Ramifosa kept talking about how they're white, they're white, they're white.
He was trying to preempt Trump's accusations of racism.
But actually, one of Rama Fosa's own delegations said, yeah, the kind of anti-right white violence, my own friends and family suffered by it.
Here's a clip of that.
Yeah, it is a battle to get the water out sometimes when all the equipment gets stolen all the time that you're trying to get shot.
So with your family and your brother, do they feel safe on the farm?
They live behind electric fences, you know, try and be at night safe.
But it is constant whenever you leave that something could happen.
And it's nowhere to live.
You know, both of them have been attacked in their houses.
My mom's been attacked in their house when she was 80.
So it is difficult.
But, you know, the guys live a great life despite everything going on.
So do I know?
Of course it happens.
Of course there's anti-white racism.
There is all around the world.
There is throughout Europe.
There is in the racial grooming gangs in the UK, where it's overwhelmingly Pakistani men raping working class white girls.
Of course there's reverse racism if you want to call it that.
You're just not allowed to talk about it.
It's like Christians being purged from Middle Eastern countries.
Egypt used to be a Christian country.
Can you even believe that?
Iraq, Lebanon, Bethlehem, Bethlehem, the Christians have been purged by whom?
Well, you're not allowed to talk about that.
I'll give you the answer.
By Islam.
Or even the story of white Christian slavery.
Did you know that there were more white slaves taken from Britain and Ireland and Europe, taken to North Africa, than there were black slaves sent to North America?
The white slave trade was actually larger than the black slave trade to North America.
Now, there was also other awful slave trades, true.
But you're not allowed to talk about it.
You're not allowed to say that in any case can white people be a victim, even in South Africa where they're murdered.
It's fascinating to see the leftist response to the claim of white refugees and white genocide.
I mean, you see it on TV, you see it in Canada, just a flat-out denial that there is such thing as a genocide of the Boers.
We were on this story five years ago when Katie Hopkins worked with us.
We sent her to South Africa to do a documentary on Plasmord, which is sort of the murder, the mass murder of the Dutch farmers.
Here, let me play a clip of this.
We recently re-uploaded this to our YouTube channel if you want to watch the whole documentary.
Here's a taste of Katie Hopkins going to South Africa a few years ago.
If you don't do what you are telling you to do, you're going to rape your wife in front of you and kill her.
And rape even your children and this small one.
My husband was murdered in what they classify as a farm attack.
And they shot him in the head in front of us.
And he fell at my feet.
So in the last year, there were roughly 84 farm murders.
If you didn't tell us to say, where's the money?
We're going to say one, two, three, four, five.
He took my arm like this, and he showed me the way out.
How long were you raped for?
Police weapons have been used.
I hit the ground, they started hitting me and said today we're going to kill you, you white bastard.
Shoot to kill, kill him!
It's a racial thing, and the world can say what they want.
The black people don't want us here.
We belong to each other and we owe it to each other.
If we want to keep on farming, they can come and kill me, but I won't go.
Yeah, it's happening.
I mean, yes, there is a lot of black-on-black violence in South Africa, but the black-on-white violence is expressly racist.
You don't need me to tell you that.
You saw the head of the EFF say it himself.
It was incredible to see the unanimity of the media, including in Canada, saying there's no such thing as a genocide against the whites.
Ramaposa's Refusal00:05:24
I think Trump is what he says he is, though, and I think that's why people love him.
And I think that moment with Cyril Ramaphosa yesterday is something exactly Trump's voters wanted.
Donald Trump is against violence.
He's against war.
He's against war so much, I think the deep state wanted to knock him out.
By the way, we never did learn who that would-be assassin was who shot Trump's ear, did we?
That just sort of went by the wayside.
I wonder if we'll ever hear from Kash Patel, the Trump's head of the FBI, who was behind that.
Trump is against war.
He's deeply against the war between Russia and Ukraine.
I believe he's against racism too.
And I think he's America first.
And what I mean by that is he's not afraid to have foreign leaders in his office, and he'll say exactly what's on his mind and calling out things that many people in politics and diplomacy just never would do.
Compare him and his focus on white genocide with Mark Carney implying that Israel is committing genocide.
I know who represents me more.
Stay with us.
After the break, an actual South African who knows South African politics joins us to talk about it.
You know who I mean.
Our friend Joel Pollack.
That's next.
with us.
Well, I know a little bit about South Africa, but not a ton.
But one of our friends who follows Canadian and American politics very closely, who's actually from South Africa and keeps a close eye on his former homeland, is our friend Joel Pollock, senior editor-at-large at Breitbart.com.
He joins us now via Skype.
Joel, thanks so much for jamming us in your busy schedule.
That was such an astonishing meeting.
It reminded me in some ways of the meeting between Donald Trump and Vladimir Zelensky, although that one I think was precipitated by Zelensky trying to pick a fight and scuttle a deal.
I could be wrong.
This one yesterday, I got to say, it was an ambush.
You could like the ambush, but it was an absolute ambush.
That's what it looked like to me.
What did it look like to you?
Well, it was a counter-ambush.
The South Africans came with an ambush of their own.
They came there, as they said, to correct Donald Trump's quote-unquote misinformation about South Africa.
They brought a delegation of four government ministers, one of whom was from the Opposition Democratic Alliance, which is sitting in a coalition government right now.
Really, the opposition should have two of the five if this was all just about the balance of parties.
But the reason John Steenhausen, the leader of the DA and Minister of Agriculture, was brought in is because he's white.
And Sorrel Ramaposa, the president, made that absolutely clear when he explicitly referred to him as a white minister in his government.
Ramaposa also referred to other people as white.
They were the golfers and businessmen and other people he had brought with him.
So Ramaposa came with a bunch of white South Africans, and the purpose was to try to embarrass President Donald Trump and refute with these living human beings his charges of genocide and racial discrimination.
But unfortunately for the South Africa, two things happened.
Firstly, the Trump administration was prepared with the video evidence of racial incitement in South Africa.
And the second thing was that some of the white South Africans that Ramapoza had brought along agreed with Trump.
They said, yeah, it's true.
We have to live behind electrified fences.
And my mother was attacked in her home.
That was golfer Ratif Hosen who said that.
And it's scary when we have to leave.
And we don't know if we're going to be alive when we come back.
And Trump said, that's not a way to live.
And that is unfortunately the accepted reality for many South Africans, white and black.
And there is a problem with racial incitement against white farmers that comes from this political party, the economic freedom fighters, and also the Umkonto Wesizwe party, which is another radical racial Marxist party.
And they are driving the fear that a genocide could take place in South Africa.
Add to that the fact that Ramapoza, who is supposedly business friendly, signed the Expropriation Act into law earlier this year that allows the government to take property without compensation.
And you have the makings of a Zimbabwe-style clearing out of white farmers.
So Trump didn't invite Ramapoza to the Oval Office to embarrass him.
Ramaposa tried to spring one on Trump and found that he himself was caught in a trap and the South Africans just weren't prepared.
And this was on the heels of just a couple of weeks ago, about 50 or 60 Boers, those white farmers of Afrikaner descent, who were accepted to the United States as refugees.
And it was such a contrast to see real refugees, women, children, waving American flags in gratitude versus the fake and fraudulent asylum seekers that we've been taught to assume as normal military-age migrant men coming into America, Ireland, the UK, Canada.
The reaction to both of those things, the reaction to having white farmers as refugees and the reaction to Trump's evidence, like I watched the video, it was actual video of those EFF hate rallies and of some white farmers describing what happened to them.
China's Adaptability Crisis00:15:16
And yet both the refugees and the video evidence was met in the main by leftist media, mainstream media as not believing it, calling it a hoax, denying it and saying, well, that's not real refugees.
Something was exposed there, not just in South Africa, but in the refugee media industrial complex, don't you think?
Well, the American left needs to retain a sense that it's standing on the side of civil rights.
So they need a class of oppressors as much as they need a class of victims.
And white South Africans for many decades have fit the bill.
But the reality of life in South Africa, which is now 31 years after the end of apartheid, is quite different.
And this idea that somehow refugees and people vulnerable to persecution have to be the poor, the downtrodden, et cetera, is a fallacy.
When you look at groups that have been targeted for genocide, yes, they have been vulnerable, but often they've been seen as elite.
The Tutsis in Rwanda were not the poorest people in Rwanda.
They were often the best, well, they were the most well-off.
I mean, they had the best positions in government.
They were the professional class.
That's not to say that only Tutsis were in that class, but essentially the Tutsis were singled out for being a privileged class, and that's why they were murdered.
That's why a million of them were completely slaughtered with machetes.
And the same is true of Jews in Europe.
Many Jews were poor.
In fact, you could probably say that most of the Jewish communities that were annihilated by the Nazis were poor communities, but they were targeted because they were perceived as an elite.
The Nazis portrayed them as wealthy capitalists on the one hand and communist agitators on the other, but in each case, a kind of vanguard of some perceived version of evil.
They were seen as an elite, and so they were targeted more easily that way.
The people who are often victims of genocide are that kind of a group.
They're not necessarily the most downtrodden.
Now, the most downtrodden are vulnerable as well.
Look what the Nazis did to the Roma, the gypsies, for example, in Europe.
But generally speaking, elites are more frequently targeted than underclasses.
And so the idea that people who are privileged because of their skin color in the imagination of Western liberals don't deserve refugee status means that we've learned nothing from the Holocaust.
You can take down all the Holocaust museums and get rid of all the Holocaust education because the most educated people in our society don't think that people with pale skin who might have achieved some success in their lives are worthy of asylum.
You know, it's clear to me that the whole refugee immigration industry is simply a political vehicle for the left.
I think the last time the left opposed refugees were pro-America Vietnamese who were fleeing when that country fell.
I think that was the last time I can think of when the righteous journalists amongst us were against immigration.
What's interesting to me is that South Africa has been on the forefront of saying that Israel is genocidal.
South Africa and it's, you know, it had a UN conference on Islamophobia a few decades ago that was really the starter pistol for the denormalization of Israel.
Recently, the international court courts in Switzerland declaring Benjamin Netanyahu persona non grata.
South Africa seems deeply invested in that.
I think Trump's move sort of blunted that a little bit.
It's one thing, perhaps South Africa is pointing at Israel as a genocidal country to distract from its own genocide.
I don't know.
What do you think of that theory?
I think that the observation that South Africa is very sensitive about the charge of genocide is rather ironic and richly so, given what you've pointed out, which is that they're accusing Israel of genocide.
And Israel, unlike South Africa, was attacked by an army of radical Islamic terrorists bent on murdering as many people as possible.
That didn't happen to South Africa, and yet they've undertaken what some people with greater plausibility argue is potentially a genocidal policy.
I don't know exactly if the South Africans have put two and two together on that point.
They seem to think that having a separate standard for Israel is perfectly acceptable.
And, you know, the leaders of France, Canada, and I can't remember the other country that's coming.
The UK, yes.
They have decided that Israel is the problem and Israel has to be pressured to end the war.
And, you know, they have a separate standard for Israel, for the Jewish state.
Evidently, terrorism is okay as long as you kill the right people.
Yeah.
Let me ask you this.
I mean, Trump is such a large personality, and he's covered in every country in the world, in every language in the world.
He certainly had an impact, and we talked about this last time on the Canadian election, and I very much regret that impact.
We are under Mark Carney's tenure because I think Trump altered the issues and changed the lay of the land here.
When Keir Starmer, the British PM, when the Irish Taishak came to visit, that's what they call their prime minister, came to visit, all those countries' media were obsessed with how will Trump handle this?
Will he embarrass our guy?
Well, like they were so sensitive to everything that Trump would say.
Is South Africa the same way?
Like, does anyone back home actually care that Trump embarrassed the president?
Will any policies change?
In the UK, I think some policies will change.
I think that censorship may be fought there by the U.S. State Department because it's censoring America-based social media companies.
Like, I think there will be real-life changes.
The UK is a NATO ally.
So the UK can only stray so far from the U.S. president before, you know, it has to be pulled back.
Is that the case in South Africa?
Other than titillating Anglo-journalists in Canada, the U.S., the rest of the Anglosphere, does anyone in South Africa actually care what happened yesterday in the Oval Office?
Yes, they do.
It was very closely watched.
But even though South Africans knew that Ramaposa had basically embarrassed himself, the South African media, which is very pro-government, kicked in and declared the visit to be a triumph.
They thought it was great because Ramaposa made the case that there's no white genocide.
And he came home on a shiny airplane and he really stuck it to Trump there.
Of course, he came home empty-handed.
He said going in that he wanted a great trade deal with Trump and he left with nothing.
So there's that.
There is some concern in the South African media, and I think it's going to take them some time to fully digest what happened.
But the fact is, South Africa remains cut off from American aid, and the White House feels pretty confident that it has undermined the South African government's attacks on the United States and embarrassed the South African government.
And the South African government has a job to do, which is to feed the people of South Africa, to keep them healthy, to keep the electricity going, to make sure people with an over 40% unemployment rate can start to find jobs.
And it doesn't help when your priority is telling the president of the United States that he's wrong about something, rather than offering compromises that can actually lead to an agreement.
I think among those in the know in South Africa, there's a sense of panic about what happened yesterday, and they're scrambling to find a way to connect again to the American administration.
This was a wasted opportunity.
And Ramaposa decided that pleasing the media back home, who are essentially not that difficult to please because they always want to be in the government's good graces, pleasing those people was more important than serving the people of South Africa.
I think in the long run, it's going to undermine the government of national unity that exists in South Africa today.
Ironically, it's going to make that government more vulnerable to the racial extremists who are demanding land without compensation and calling for killing the farmers.
And it's going to hopefully present an opportunity for new leadership to emerge in South Africa that can unite opposition parties in a government that can boot the ANC and its racial cronies out of office and restore a true rainbow nation in a post-appointed South Africa.
I think we're not there yet.
We're not even close, but I think yesterday's meeting was one step closer.
I know you got to go.
Let me just ask you one last question.
It seems to me in the world in 2025, if it's not as unipolar as it was, say, 10 years ago.
Yes, America remains the hyperpower, the biggest economy, the biggest military, all those things.
But China is very much there ready to fill any gaps left by America leaving a place.
I mean, China is practically colonizing Africa from top to bottom.
And, you know, it's one thing to push South Africa away.
And I think Trump was correct in many things he did yesterday.
But there's this bricks group, Brazil, Russia, India, China, et cetera, that sets itself up as an alternative to the G7.
There's the Chinese Belt and Road Initiative.
China wants to have its spheres of influence much further away than just home.
Is there a chance that if America has too much tough love towards South Africa, that China will say, we'll give you everything you ever wanted, and we won't humiliate you.
We won't colonize you again.
Like, is China strong in South Africa?
Is it going to fill the gaps?
I'll answer you by saying the same thing I said when you asked me about the new Canadian government, which is that it doesn't work.
It just doesn't work.
You know, liberalism in the Canadian government is not working.
It's just not working.
You can see already now their policies on the Middle East.
I mean, what success do you think a policy of ending the war in Gaza without disarming Hamas could possibly have?
All it does is encourage future terror attacks.
Likewise, with China in Africa, China is good at building infrastructure and so forth.
Although the Chinese are terrible at maintenance, and many Chinese projects are hastily conceived to get into the good graces of African governments to get access to their natural resources, but they're not well maintained.
The Chinese language is almost impossible for locals to learn and to read and write.
And Chinese dominance in Africa has been generally bad for Africa.
So on the surface, there are some accomplishments of Chinese colonialism.
And the Chinese and other rogue nations are filling the coffers of African political parties and the ruling side of things.
But in the long run, it doesn't work.
And it's not even working in China.
The Chinese economy is much more vulnerable to change than the American economy.
We don't like recessions.
We don't like cargo crises.
We don't like supply chain problems.
We don't like inflation.
We don't like national debt and all of that.
But we have the ability to change these things and to adapt to things as they change.
Totalitarian systems do not have that ability.
They have the ability to organize society towards specific goals very rapidly.
So you're right.
When it comes to dominating manufacturing, the Chinese government has done a good job of directing Chinese industry.
But once the conditions change, China is not very good at adapting.
And I'm reminded again of the story of the Yom Kippur War when the Arab armies around Israel attacked it on the holiest day of the year.
And the Syrian army had better tanks than the Israelis.
They had the brand new Soviet tanks.
And the Israelis had these World War II era tanks.
They only had reservists on the Golan Heights.
And so the Syrians advanced very quickly across the Golan Heights.
They almost went down into what was then Israel proper.
And that would have allowed them to take over the Galilee.
They had the high ground.
But a couple of things happened.
One was that the Syrian officers weren't empowered in the field to make decisions on their own.
So once they started making these rapid advances, they couldn't decide to keep advancing.
They had to wait for permission.
So they couldn't take advantage of the initiative that they had won with their surprise attack.
And secondly, as high-tech as their tanks were with night vision and everything, which the Israelis didn't have, the turrets of the Syrian tanks happened to be slightly taller than the turrets of the Israeli tanks.
So when the Syrian tanks were coming up over a hill, the Israelis would see them first.
And so they could fire at the Syrian tanks and knock them out.
So there's this problem that authoritarian societies have with innovation, with delegation, and with the improvisation that is necessary for changing circumstances.
You can take a beat up democracy on any day of the week, and it might not look as attractive as a totalitarian society.
The streets of Washington, D.C. might not be as nice as the streets of Beijing or Moscow.
But I would take the democracy in the long run over the totalitarian society, as long as the democracy is run well and led well.
That's always a big if.
But I don't think that Chinese influence in Africa has a happy ending.
And so when South Africans have said to me, well, if you don't like our policies, we're just going to go with China, my response is, go ahead.
You know, your entire ideology is based on anti-colonialism.
But if you want to be colonized by another civilization, try the Chinese.
I assure you, it's not as nice as being colonized by the British.
So good luck.
And that always stops them in their tracks because once you put it that way, they realize there really isn't an alternative.
Even the South African ambassador who was expelled from the United States, Ibrahim Rasool, said that even with all the trade they're doing in China, the trade they're doing with China is China taking raw minerals from South Africa.
The trade they're doing with the United States is selling manufactured goods to the United States, like automobile components or even sometimes finished automobiles.
So what's better for the development of South African industry?
Letting China dig up the raw minerals and leave?
Or allowing Americans to invest in South African factories and then selling the Americans finished products that require South African labor and that train that South African workforce with skills that they can then use to start their own businesses.
Obviously, the American trade is more beneficial.
And even the most anti-American ambassador who called Trump a white supremacist leader understood that.
So if you want to go with China, go ahead.
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But it doesn't work out well.
Well, it probably works out well enough for China, which is of concern to me.
The whole thing makes me sad.
I mean, I've never been to Africa, but I see footage of, and I'm not for racism either, by the way, but I see the decay of the safety and the prosperity and the freedom of Rhodesia, now called Zimbabwe.
And I feel like there's a slow motion.
Like, I feel like the decline of South Africa is almost irreversible.
And I don't know.
I mean, you're from there originally.
I just feel a great sorrow.
It's not irreversible.
It's not.
It's not.
But it will take a tremendous effort and an investment by the rest of the world.
Yeah, that's not going to happen.
Islands of excellence in South Africa, the Western Cape province, for example, where Cape Town is located.
It's basically a first world country surrounded by the dysfunction of Africa in the other eight provinces.
So you take the Western Cape and you build from there.
You know, a friend of mine is on his way to Cape Town and the Kruger Park.
If you know the geography of South Africa, those are opposite corners of the country.
Cape Town is as far southwest as you can go.
The Kruger Park is as far northeast as you can go.
Those two parts of the country work very well.
The rest of the country does not.
And yet you can build on those islands and say, okay, we're going to invest in the Western Cape.
And it's not just Cape Town, it's the countryside around Cape Town.
There's incredible farming there.
There are deserts that would be amazing for solar farms.
There are water resources.
There's incredible infrastructure.
The roads there, even though they're narrow because they haven't been widened like big American interstates, those narrow roads are still in pretty good condition in the Western Cape.
In other parts of South Africa, there's more pothole than road.
So you take those centers of excellence and you build on them, but time is running out.
You're right.
There is a point of no return beyond which the state collapses, and then everybody might as well be a refugee.
Wow.
Well, thanks for joining us with your point of view.
I was rooting for you to become the ambassador from the U.S. to South Africa.
Maybe we should organize a rebel tour to South Africa, although I have to make sure I'm not going to get arrested at the airport.
I am deeply hated in South Africa at the moment.
The Mail-In Guardian, which is one of the main left-wing newspapers there, blamed me personally for the impasse between South Africa and the United States, which is fake news, but that tells you something about my chances of getting out of there alive.
Right.
It makes you sound like an extremely powerful man, though.
So we're grateful to have you join us.
I can't fix my washing machine, Ezra, so I'm on my way to the laundromat, but I'm an extremely powerful man in Africa.
Great to see you.
Thanks, Joel.
Thank you.
There he is.
Joel Pollock, Sr., editor-at-large at breitbart.com and the man who controls Africa like a pearl or like a diamond in his hand.
Well, that's our show for today.
Until next time, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, see you at home.
and keep fighting for freedom.
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Michael Gillery commented: inform your elected representative of your expectations from publicly paid services, i.e., police.
Ask friends and relatives to do likewise.
It's not time to be idle.
Canadians need to steer newcomers towards Canadian values.
You're talking about the astonishing case of an ambulance with a young boy in it being delayed four full minutes while largely foreign Hamas supporters break the laws in our streets.
Yeah, I mean, I take your point about encouraging people to assimilate and integrate, but I think it's physically and socially impossible for two, three, four million people to integrate, especially if newcomers are now the majority in certain parts of the country.
But more than that, I don't think foreigners who bring a hatred for our country, I'm not even talking about Israel anymore.
Foreigners who come to our country, Canada, to hate it, who are not citizens yet, they should be sent home.
I don't want to integrate.
The guy with the smoke bomb, I don't want to integrate him in the community.
I don't want him to be a leader of a scout troop.
The guys who were blocking the ambulance and refused to move, I don't want them on the PTA or the Rotary Club.
I want them sent back.
Robert Beattie says, haircut is fine.
It's the cut of people who don't take a need of the government.
You know what?
I go to this local barbershop and the guy who cuts my hair is a pretty old guy.
And I think he's Russian.
I used to go to a really old guy who was Italian.
I got this rule of thumb, no barbers under 70.
But my guy was busy.
And so this other guy, I don't even know if he even worked there, to be honest.
And I don't think he spoke English well.
And now it is true.
You get a haircut like this and you lose a couple of ugly pounds really quick.
So I've never been slimmer.
I'm kidding around.
It emphasizes my fatude.
So, yeah, I'm not thrilled with the haircut, but thank you for saying nice things anyways.
Susan Gerbis commented, this situation has become out of control.
You're talking about the ambulance blocking an ambulance as if they didn't see it or hear it.
Criminal actions on so many levels that don't get acted upon.
This is a great incentive to leave Canada.
Listen, I know that instinct to leave Canada.
And by the way, a lot of people left Canada over COVID, over the pandemic, over the lockdowns.
And frankly, a lot of people and their money left Canada after the government seized bank accounts.
I heard a lot of stories of people taking their money out of our banana republic then.
And I'm tempted too.
Listen, I know how lovely Florida is.
And especially in the wintertime in Toronto, you can't afford a house.
The weather's atrocious.
The politics are worse.
It's tempting to go somewhere like Texas or Florida.
I get it.
I absolutely get it.
But I don't want to hand over this great prize called Canada to just a bunch of losers that come over.
You know, let me leave you with this one thought.
I don't know if you follow it, but there's this absolutely awful singing contest.
It's sort of like America's Got Talent or American Idol or whatever.
It's called Eurovision.
And it's a bunch of countries that are some way associated with the EU.
I don't know how they do it, but each country has a song and it's sort of done in concert with their local state broadcaster.
It's a big contest.
And in the last two years, it's really been hijacked by anti-Israel extremists.
So when the Israeli singer comes in, like so many people in the crowd are booing, booing her.
She's got nothing to do with the government.
It's like a singing contest, but because she's a Jew from Israel, they boo her.
Anyways, so she had to practice singing in a room full of people, booing so it wouldn't shock her.
Can you believe that?
She's just a young girl.
Actually, she survived.
What am I saying?
She's not just a young girl.
She actually survived the attack.
She hid under dead bodies so that these Palestinian Nazis didn't find her and kill her.
Anyway, she came in second.
And the voting, there's sort of a jury.
Each country has a jury, like a group of fancy voters.
But then people can text or phone ordinary people from every country.
The Israeli singer came in first by ordinary Europeans voting and second after the jury votes were counted.
And including in countries like Ireland or Spain or places that are, that their politicians are very anti-Israel.
And I didn't watch it.
I don't watch Eurovision.
I don't know the song.
But to me, there was a little flicker of hope.
And here's why I'm saying that to you.
You would think by watching the media, especially social media, that the whole world hates Israel and the whole world has gone mad for Hamas.
You would think that.
You would think that the Israeli contestant who is booed so much at the contest she has to practice in a room full of people shouting at her, you would think she'd come last.
But she came in second, first according to the people.
That tells me that don't be suckered by the psyop.
Don't be tricked into thinking all hope is lost.
I was in Runcorn in northern England.
53% had voted for the Labour Party last time, just a year ago.
Now Nigel Farage's Reform Party won.
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And their motto, you know it, I said it three times already on the show.
Was stop, it was freeze immigration, stop the boats.
So easy to remember.
I even remember without notes: free, freeze immigration, stop the boats.
And they won in what was, I think, the 16th safest district for the Labour Party.
So don't despair.
Don't give up.
Why should you leave your own country?
My family's been in Canada since 1903.
That's 122 years.
I'm not leaving Canada because some thug just off the boat starts opening up smoke bombs and shouting at Jews.
No, he can get the hell out, not me.
That's our show for today.
Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, see you at home.