Ezra Levant critiques Mark Carney’s cabinet, mirroring Justin Trudeau’s, warning of policies targeting Alberta and immigration—like UK Labour’s sudden shift under Keir Starmer. He questions cabinet members’ independence, citing Julie de Brusin’s anti-oil stance and Stephen Gilbo’s (Gilbeau) radical leftism, including proposed media censorship via the Online Harms Act (C-63). Alberta’s separatist push, fueled by pipeline bans and equalization grievances, clashes with federal opposition, while Carney’s murky qualifications and past climate/economic contradictions raise doubts. Listeners’ letters reveal Eastern Canada’s support for Alberta’s exit, hinting at deeper political tensions. [Automatically generated summary]
Mark Carney has announced his new cabinet, pretty much similar to Trudeau's cabinet.
We'll go through it with Dr. John Robson.
But I also want to tell you about big changes overseas in the United Kingdom.
The Labour Party, which has been a massive immigration open borders party, had the daylight scared out of it by Nigel Farage's victory for the reform UK in recent elections.
So Kier Starmer, that's the British Prime Minister, the Labour Prime Minister, has basically said we're ending mass immigration.
I don't believe him.
I don't think anyone believes him.
But his change of rhetoric is so shocking and so telling, I want to take you through it and maybe tell you if I think there's any lessons in there for Canada.
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Tonight, Mark Carney's new cabinet is a lot like Justin Trudeau's old cabinet.
Plus, the UK Labour Party now says they're against mass immigration.
It's May 13th, and this is the Ezra Levant Show.
Shame on you, you sensorious bug.
Hi, everybody.
Last night, we had close to 500 people out in Edmonton for our town hall meeting about Alberta independence.
On a night where the Edmonton Oilers were in the Stanley Cup final rounds, we could have sold more tickets, but the room couldn't hold anymore.
Defining National Culture00:15:27
We're doing it again in Calgary tomorrow night.
And I apologize that we only booked a room that could hold 350.
I think we're going to have to do it again.
A longer event, a much larger venue.
I'll share my ideas for that with you another day.
But in short, I outlined our plans as Rebel News.
That is to respectfully cover the referendum and all of its participants and to try to defend the democratic process against absolutely certain interference from meddlers, whether it's Mark Carney's liberals or anti-oil extremists or even the leader of the bloc, Kibba Kwa, who said this.
For the people in Alberta who want to separate, do you have any tips for them on how to actually get the job done?
Our success so far does not place me in a position to give them tips about what to do, but I could give them tips about what not to do.
Not now.
The first idea is to define oneself as a nation.
Therefore, it requires a culture of their own.
And I am not certain that oil and gas qualify to define a culture.
But it's theirs to decide if they want to revindicate the right to self-determination.
Would never interfere in that.
It belongs to them.
I would like us to be the first.
There's a lot in that short clip.
First, he knows so little about Alberta.
I wonder if he's actually even been to Alberta.
Second, I think he means that as an insult.
It would be like an Albertan saying you need more to a culture than just poutine.
It's an insult, which actually shows the lack of depth of the person saying it.
And it sort of mocks working people.
It would be like saying, oh, there's more to a culture than fish, Newfoundland.
Well, actually, fish is part of the culture out there.
It's how people live for centuries.
Oil and gas is how many people in Alberta live.
It's not all their culture, but it is part of it.
Alberta's culture goes back to our beginning as a province.
And before that, the pioneer spirit.
My own great-grandfather was a homesteader.
I'm talking about people breaking and clearing the land, building sod huts, and building a place from the ground up.
Look at Alberta's motto, Fortis et Le Berre.
That's Latin for strong and free.
The culture of freedom and individuality and adventures and risk-taking.
The geography of it, that is part of it.
We don't have as long a history as Quebec, is true, but we have our own culture.
I mean, compare the welfare state mindset of other parts of Canada with Alberta's entrepreneurialism.
Compare the restlessness of Alberta's voters compared to the socialist passivity and submission in other parts.
I'm not looking to insult other provinces.
I live in Toronto these days, but to say Alberta has no distinct character means someone has obviously never been to Alberta, but it doesn't matter.
Frankly, I think a deep part of being Albertan is being fed up with colonialism from Ottawa and entitlement from politicians like Yves-François Blanchette of the Blanc Québécois.
Rebellion is part of Alberta's culture, frankly.
I've learned a little bit about that sort of thing in Ireland.
There's something about a place that so restlessly gives birth to political movements like Alberta does.
That's part of Alberta's culture.
But at the end of the day, Alberta doesn't actually need to convince Blanchette.
It doesn't have to have a coherent or single reason to live, to leave.
And people can vote for independence for their own reasons.
All that matters is that 51% of people do on a clear question.
It's not a philosophical debate.
It's a question of who Alberta wants to be its boss.
As one of the speakers at the panel last night put it, if Alberta were currently not part of Canada, would it seriously join Canada under the terms of the current deal?
The war on oil, the tanker and pipeline ban, the lack of representation in political institutions, including the Parliament, Supreme Court, the general war against the West, massive equalization payments to the East.
But look at that clip from Blanchette again.
Just take a quick look.
Our success so far does not place me in a position to give them tips about what to do, but I could give them tips about what not to do.
Not now.
The first idea is to define oneself as a nation.
Therefore, it requires a culture of their own.
And I am not certain that oil and gas qualify to define a culture.
But it's theirs to decide if they want to revindicate the right to self-determination.
Would never interfere in that.
It belongs to them.
I would like us to be the first.
Yeah, I sense a bit of envy in a way.
The Bloc and the Partique Bécois have been fighting for independence for 50 years.
They've had two referendums.
They actually elected a Partique government provincially, but they've never succeeded.
But the Bloc MPs, those fiery separatists, are enjoying living high off the hog at the expense of Canadian taxpayers.
I mean, it's like that phrase, the permanent revolution.
They've been fighting for separatism for so long.
They're part of the institution.
They're part of the establishment.
There are dozens of block MPs who are retired, but collecting their pensions from the government of Canada.
It's very, very separatist of them, isn't it?
So, yeah, either Yves-François Blanchette is really, really bad at his job of leaving Canada.
or just as likely he doesn't actually want to leave Canada.
He loves the game, being the bad cop in Quebec, working with the good cop in Ottawa.
So he says, hey, Ottawa, if you don't give Quebec these special privileges and powers and payments, we're going to leave.
And so Ottawa says, oh, you heard him, Ontario and Alberta and BC.
We're going to save this country.
I mean, it's a sham.
It's an inside job.
It's a stitch-up.
I don't think he actually wants to leave.
That would mean actual responsibility of running a place.
And he prefers basically being a paid heckler in parliament.
He'll never actually run or rule anything.
And he knows it.
Just look at his face.
I think that Albertans are more resigned and resolved than angry.
If you look at Mark Carney's new cabinet picks today, you'll see there's a reason for that.
The cabinet still has Alberta haters like Stephen Gilbo in it.
He's not in the environment ministry, but he's the new Minister of Identity and Culture.
Sorry.
That basically means he's going to revive the C63 censorship laws that he originally introduced a few years ago.
Lots of kooks in the cabinet.
The new environment minister, Julie de Brusin, is deeply against the oil and gas industry and pipelines.
Sheila Gunrida has been doing some journalism on that.
So yeah, Rebel News will help host an honest conversation about Alberta's place in Canada.
And I suspect we'll be more fair and open-minded than the regime media who are going to destroy everything and everyone that would take Alberta out of Confederation.
I mean, the rest of Canada says they hate oil.
I think it's partly true, though they like to drive and fly and heat their homes, but mainly they love the money that comes from oil.
So they don't actually, if pressed, want Alberta to leave with all that oil.
They want the equalization payments to last forever.
And they know separatism would kill their golden goose.
The federal conservatives wouldn't want Alberta to go either, of course.
They would never form a government in Canada again.
They need those Alberta seats so much.
Saskatchewan would probably follow Alberta out the door pretty soon.
The remaining rump would have to be rebooted.
So yeah, lots of inertia.
Imagine you're a big bank or a cell phone company, cable company.
You don't want separatism.
You want the country to remain together.
And you want mass immigration, by the way, because it just gives you more customers.
Everyone to this country has a cell phone.
Everyone has a bank account.
You don't want disruption.
Well, we will play a role in fairly reporting what happens.
So that's Canada.
Let me take a moment and tell you what just happened in the United Kingdom, because it's huge.
As you know, a couple of weeks ago, one of the safest Labour seats in the UK flipped from Labour to Reform UK.
That's Nigel Farage's party.
I was there to cover the breakthrough.
I had a sense it would happen.
And it wasn't just that one new member of parliament that was elected.
There were literally hundreds of local council seats that were up for election two.
That's lower local political offices.
I'm talking about hundreds and hundreds of reform politicians being swept into office on a huge wave.
That's proof that that one by-election was not an anomaly.
It is a tidal wave.
And I remember the Reform UK campaign motto off by heart.
It was so simple.
Freeze immigration, stop the boats.
They're talking about those little boats coming across from France across the English Channel with fake asylum seekers.
And now Nigel Farage is calling for the mass deportation of those who arrive illegally every day by boat.
He had briefly backpedaled on that, but he's found his courage again.
We will appoint, we will demand, this government does the same, that there is a minister for deportations.
It will be part of the Home Office, but it'll be a separate department within it.
We will need to recruit new people, as much of the evidence is that those that currently work in the Home Office would willfully obstruct policy if we won the next general election.
But somebody somewhere in government needs to be held accountable.
And you know, you've only got to go back 20 years to our last Labour government, and they were deporting tens of thousands of people a year who were here illegally.
When Blundkit was home secretary, if you came illegally, you know, you didn't touch the sides.
You were sent back.
So what I'm calling for isn't actually anything particularly radical.
It's actually just common sense.
It's what most countries in the world do.
You want to go and live there.
You want to go and settle there.
You have to meet a set of criteria.
And that country chooses.
Are you the right person or are you not?
Well, the Labour Prime Minister of the UK, Kier Starmer is his name.
He may be dumb, but he's not stupid.
And so yesterday, he just simply changed his policy.
And just as important, he changed his language.
Just astonishing.
As dramatic as Mark Carney, the lifelong supporter of carbon taxes, suddenly coming out against carbon taxes.
In Canada, about a million people, I think, were naive enough to believe that and switch back to the Liberals.
I just don't think anyone in the UK, though, believes this flip plot from Starmer, especially since more boats come across from the English Channel every day.
By the way, compare those illegal migrants, all military-age single men, coming from France, which is a safe and free country, tearing up their passports, throwing them in the sea.
Compare those fraudulent asylum seekers with the 50 or so Boer white farmers who landed in the US yesterday as actual refugees from South Africa, where the government racially harasses the Boers.
Maybe you've seen those massive rallies where they chant, kill the Boer.
This isn't a government party leading the rally, it's the opposition, but the sentiment is the same.
So yeah, real refugees to the U.S., including women and children.
And look, they're actually waving the US flag, and I'm pretty sure they'll be good farmers in the US, not on welfare or drug dealers or murderers.
Just a guess.
Anyways, the UK, look at some of the language now used by Starber.
I'm doing this because it is right, because it is fair, and because it is what I believe in.
Let me put it this way.
Nations depend on rules, fair rules.
Sometimes they're written down.
Often they're not.
But either way, they give shape to our values, guide us towards our rights, of course, but also our responsibilities, the obligations we owe to each other.
Now, in a diverse nation like ours, and I celebrate that, these rules become even more important.
Without them, we risk becoming an island of strangers, not a nation that walks forward together.
So when you have an immigration system that seems almost designed to permit abuse, that encourages some businesses to bring in lower paid workers rather than invest in our young people, or simply one that is sold by politicians to the British people on an entirely false premise, then you're not championing growth.
You're not championing justice or however else people defend the status quo.
You're actually contributing to the forces that are slowly pulling our country apart.
Island of strangers.
That's literally what the word xenophobia means, fear or opposition to strangers.
Mere months ago, Brits were jailed for saying things like that on Twitter.
He said what would have been called a conspiracy theory, that the immigration system was designed to permit abuse.
He says mass immigration is pulling the UK apart.
Let me read to you some tweets.
It's just astonishing.
The Tories lost control of our borders and let net migration soar to record levels, undercutting hardworking Brits.
I won't stand for it.
I promise to restore control and cut immigration, and I'm delivering with tough new measures.
British workers, I've got your back.
You know, you liar.
Here's another one.
The Tories ran an immigration system that relied on cheap foreign labor instead of investing in British workers.
That betrayal ends now.
Watch my announcement live from 9:30 a.m. as I set out how labor is delivering on our manifesto promise.
Holy moly.
Cheap foreign labor.
Wow.
I didn't know you were allowed to say such things.
I mean, basically, driving up housing prices, driving down wages.
That's the central economic impact of mass immigration, but you weren't allowed to say that until about five minutes ago.
Here's another one.
If you want to live in the UK, you should speak English.
That's common sense.
So we're raising English language requirements across every main immigration route.
Oh, how dare you?
I'll read some more.
I'm backing Britain's young people.
We're charging employers more to recruit from overseas.
And if they do, they must prove they're investing in British workers and increasing British skills.
That's a fair and right thing to do.
Why are you still allowing it then?
I'll read just two more.
Settlement in the UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right.
Now, like I say, literally, as his staff were tweeting those things, more boats with fake asylum seekers were crossing over from France as he was saying that.
So he's a total liar, but he's saying these words.
Just a few months ago, he called anyone else who said them racist.
Here's the official 10 Downing Street Twitter account.
It says, we're ending Britain's open borders experiment.
Two long businesses were actively encouraged to bring in lower paid workers rather than invest in their own people.
We're fixing the system and restoring control to our borders.
An open borders experiment, a betrayal of Indigenous British citizens.
English is non-negotiable.
Ministers' Mysterious Roles00:13:48
I think it's really possible.
I think that Nigel Farage could possibly become the next prime minister.
That's what the polls say.
If he wins on the immigration freeze platform, of course, he needs to make sure that Kier Starmer can't catch up with him.
Nigel Farage needs to go harder, talk more about deportations, point out the boats coming daily.
Starmer could only go so far before people know he doesn't mean it.
The Conservative Party in the UK is led by a woman named Kemi Badenock, and I'm afraid she's just not relevant.
Every time she says something, even some good things, the obvious answer that rings true is, you had 14 years to do this, and you were thrown out just last year because you didn't do any of this.
You made things worse.
Why would anyone trust you?
It's hard to dispute that.
And it's so obviously that the choice is now between labor and reform.
Don't be surprised if a few Conservative MPs defect to reform.
I bet it'll happen.
So what's the message for Canada?
What's the lesson for Canada from the UK?
I think it's pretty simple.
Go really hard on immigration.
Call for an immigration freeze.
Call for the deportation of those who aren't legally here.
Point out the fraud in the temporary workers program and the international students program.
Go hard.
You notice one last thing about both Kier Starmer and Nigel Farage.
They haven't talked about the disproportionate crimes of migrants, and they're terrified to even mention the cultural aspects, including mass support for Gaza and Hamas and anti-Semitism on the streets of the UK.
And it's the same here in Canada.
But everyone knows it.
I don't know a lot about Mark Carney's new immigration minister.
I think it's Lena Diab, if I'm not mistaken.
She's born in Canada from Lebanese descendants.
I'm guessing she's Christian from a family that fled what the PLO did to Lebanon.
But in this tweet, the Radical Muslim Public Affairs Council endorses her, saying she supported the NDP's radical genocide resolution in parliament.
So, yeah, political power may well be coming to Nigel Farage because he has been saying what the media has tried to scare everyone away from saying: freeze immigration and stop the boats.
If Pierre Polyev were to say something similar, freeze immigration, stop the fraud, I think he'd get a lot more support than his timid, tepid steps in that direction.
If Kier Starmer, a labor prime minister of all people, can say that, you know that people are getting sick of mass immigration.
I think in some ways it's even worse here in Canada.
Very interesting lessons to be learned from the UK.
Stay with us.
our interview with john robson is next welcome back I love the Globe and Mail headline that Mark Carney has so many fresh faces.
I can't say that without laughing.
Of course, so many of his candidates were from Justin Trudeau's regime.
It's hard to understand how the old cabinet can implement new policies.
But then again, I honestly don't even know what Mark Carney's policies are.
I know for his entire adult life, he's believed in net zero and transitioning off oil and gas.
The carbon tax was part of that.
He abandoned that for votes.
I don't even know what his campaign promises were serious or not.
We're now told that when he first met with Donald Trump, or sorry, when he first spoke with Donald Trump, he basically winked at Trump and said, Hey, I'm going to talk really tough about you in the campaign, but once I'm elected, we could have a more grown-up conversation.
So many things he does are cell games.
He's a straw man.
I'm using, of course, the language of Brookfield Asset Management when they have fake addresses in places like Bermuda and the Isle of Man.
I honestly do not think that any of us truly know who Mark Carney is.
And so, talking about his cabinet, it's somewhat interesting to do the Kremlinology of who's up and who's down, but we honestly don't know what they're going to believe and what they're going to propose.
I don't know if we have seen the revealed liberal platform in its authentic form.
Anyhow, that's my skeptical side coming out.
But let's talk to someone else who may have a more sober-minded point of view.
I'm talking about our old friend, Dr. John Robson, who is an author, a historian, a journalist, and the convener of the climate discussion nexus.
If I've got that right, joining us now from Ottawa is Dr. John John.
Great to see you again.
Thanks for taking the time to join us.
A pleasure to be here, even on this topic.
Now, did I get it right?
The climate discussion nexus?
There's the climate discussion nexus, yes.
And it's, I am, in fact, a successful YouTuber to the bafflement of all who know me, but there you are.
Great.
Well, we'll have to check that out.
And I'll look forward to looking at that because that is quite relevant.
We were told by the regime, both the political and the journalistic side of it, that carbon taxes were essential.
And if you didn't have a carbon tax, it was a proof you didn't care about the planet.
And then suddenly, when Mark Carney said he was against it, the media said, oh, okay, we'll go along with that.
Everything we've ever said about this being the key defining issue, we'll simply forget.
All right.
Let's start with that.
Let's start with the Environment Minister, Julie DeBrusson.
I don't know that much about her.
And then she's from Toronto Danforth, which is sociologically probably the opposite, as opposite as you can get from Alberta's oil sands.
She said she's against the oil sands expansion.
She's used a lot of the anti-oil language, but who knows what it means to be a cabinet minister for Mark Carney?
Maybe it's opposite day.
And I just really have no idea.
What do you think of Julie DeBrusen as environment minister?
It's certainly revealing of the kind of the puzzle of the cabinet.
It doesn't matter at all what she thinks.
Canadian cabinet ministers are ciphers.
But it's interesting.
I looked up her biography and she has a degree in near and middle eastern studies and then a law degree.
And whereas I'm all for informed laypeople having opinions on subjects, you know, climate alarmists have this thing where they go, oh, you're not a climate scientist.
And I wonder if any of them are going to say, well, hang on a second.
It's not conspicuous what credentials she brings to this file.
But the far bigger question is, is Mark Carney still the Mark Carney of G-Fans and of his, you know, 20-year quest for net zero?
Or did he just suddenly change all his opinions in about three months?
Because as Jordan Peterson said, either he's dropped everything he believed for two decades, or he's a wolf in sheep's clothing.
And so I look at him and I think, my, what big teeth you have.
And therefore, I assume that he's going to make his environment minister pursue net zero.
And, you know, again, I was looking through the list of the cabinet members and trying to figure out what credentials almost any of them have for the jobs that they get.
I'm thinking of the new foreign minister.
I think she's had six different jobs, six different cabinet posts, none of which she seems to have done very well, and none of which she brought any particular demonstrative talent to.
But again, it's also tightly centralized in the PMO.
And the other problem is, you know, as Andrew Coyne, who I increasingly infrequently agree with, but I did on this one, Canada has a very large cabinet and by international standards.
And one of the reasons why is that the executive is basically consuming the legislature.
Almost a quarter of the liberal caucus are cabinet members.
And therefore, instead of being legislators holding the ministry to account, they are part of the executive branch.
And they're ciphers, you know, they're NPCs.
They think of themselves as being important and influential individuals.
But how many of them are going to get into the cabinet room and tell Carney on some issue, no, you're wrong.
We need to change this policy.
I'm not going along with that.
It's just almost impossible to imagine it happening.
And then I was looking at François-Philippe Champagne, right, who was the industry minister, dumping all this money into EVs and these ventures are folding up like cheap lawn furniture.
So they make him finance minister.
What?
It really is strange.
I think the obvious reason why the foreign minister and the resource minister or environment minister are the ones that is because Mark Carney has restated his belief in a quota system for women.
And so we know that those are who he thinks are the best women, not the best MPs of all.
But again, as you point out, it doesn't really matter when all the instructions are coming out of the prime minister's office, or perhaps, I know it sounds crazy, the Eurasia Group.
That's a sort of a lobby group, think tank, privately owned in New York City, run by Ian Bremer, who goes to the World Economic Forum every year.
That's where Mark Carney's wife worked, worked, or may still work.
That's where Evan Solomon had a soft landing when he was sacked from the CBC.
That's where Gerald Butts had a soft landing when he was sacked from the CBC.
So this little, not so little, for-profit think tank in New York is really directing half of half of it.
I think a lot of the thinking, if there's any thinking, in Canada's government, will be done outsourced to New York City.
I think that's really weird.
I think that looking at it through an Alberta lens, I'm in Alberta today.
having having some town halls about independence i i don't think they give a hoot about alberta i don't think they're even thinking about it and some of the choices they've made almost seem like they're trying to antagonize alberta there's one more choice if i'm not mistaken stephen gilbo the crazed plastics registry guy if i'm not mistaken he's being put back in inheritance i want to double check that i may have that wrong you tell me if i'm wrong which tells me that He's now the Minister of Canadian Heritage.
And one has to ask, again, has Stephen Gilbeau throughout his career, whatever else he may have been doing, has he shown that he's passionate about Canada's heritage?
Does he tear up thinking about Vimy Ridge and Juneau Beach?
Is he proud of the explorers who traveled the mighty rivers of the West only to find that they went out to the Arctic or something else he wish they didn't do?
You know, is he proud of the founding cultures of Canada?
Or does he regard the whole thing as a disgraceful colonialist settler project?
And again, and does it matter?
Because, you know, to some extent, if policy is coming out of the Eurasia group, it's doing so because these people are like-minded.
But, you know, ministers these days, they even get talking points from the PMO.
They're not just told what to do.
They're told what to say.
And you'd think one or two of them would say, you know what?
That offends my sense of self-worth.
I'm here because I've got a working brain, because I know how to express myself, because I'm an individual with something to say, and I'm going to say it.
But they don't.
Again, it was somebody talking about British MPs, but he said, you know, 95% of them are NPCs.
And this has haunted me because most of them, they don't know it.
What they think they are, who they think they are, and what they really are diverges extremely sharply.
And then, oh, I'm in cabinet.
You know, this is marvelous.
I'm a cabinet minister.
Yeah, but notice the strings that are attaching you.
That ought to be of some concern.
And again, concern to Canadians, because one of the things that I wrote about recently about Canada's government, you think of all the things Mark Carney says he's going to do, and you don't know if he means it or not.
But Canada's government is broken.
Almost nothing they try to do will actually happen.
There was even this tax on vacant properties that they just didn't collect and nobody knew why.
So it matters a lot more that we make the government capable of functioning again than that we utter grandiose pronouncements about things that we couldn't do even if we knew how to try.
And I don't think there's any attention to that.
And if you went and polled the cabinet, and I was also thinking preparing for the show, would you invest in a company if this was its board of directors?
But if you polled the cabinet and said, how critical a problem is it that nothing in the government works anymore?
I think most of them would look at you quite blankly, even more blankly look at you on most issues.
Yeah.
You know, I just want to tell our viewers, NPC stands for non-player character.
It's an idea that in a video game, there's other sort of cameo appearances by people who really just go through a routine and aren't, don't have their own thinking mind.
It's like an automaton.
Yeah, they're not actual players in the game.
They're just programmed to have a few simple automated responses, which they won't get no matter what happens.
So I guess, yeah, if you don't have teenage children, you may not know NPCs.
But it's a frightening thought that most of our cabinet ministers and most of our MPs think they're playing an active role in the governance of this country when in fact they're completely passive automatons.
They're happy with that because as long as they, you know, when you say a quarter of all liberal MPs are in the cabinet, that's part of the reason why is to keep them loyal, keep them happy, especially in a narrow minority government.
Every single person in cabinet gets a pay upgrade.
Many of them get a car and a driver.
They get more staff and other perks.
So it's a way of saying, I need you to be loyal.
I just want to come back for one second to Stephen Gilbeau.
He was heritage minister before.
And to him and to Trudeau, and we'll see if it's the case with Carney, Heritage Minister is about two things.
One, it's about shoveling money out the door to cultural industries, which they now include journalism as.
So it's about hundreds of millions of dollars, if not billions of dollars, going to colonize the media.
That's what it has been for the last 10 years.
Nuclear Option Threat00:02:36
And second of all, that's where the so-called Online Harms Act originated.
I think it later came out under the Justice Department, but it was Stephen Gilbo who cooked up the idea.
So obviously he believed in it.
We assume he believed in what his own office did.
It makes me a little bit worried that Mark Carney might reintroduce C63, the Online Harms Act, which is a terrible censorship law.
Let me throw to a clip here.
Here's Stephen Gilbo.
Actually, there was a funny moment where Stephen Gilbo and his now cabinet colleague, Evan Solomon, when Evan Solomon was still on TV, asking him if this isn't tantamount to a journalism license.
Take a look at this exchange.
How will this work?
How are you going to regulate websites?
How are you going to register all that?
Do you buy these recommendations?
Well, I mean, one of the recommendations, so you're talking about a couple of different things here, but as far as the licensing is concerned, if you're a distributor of content in Canada, and obviously, you know, if you're if you're a very small media organization, the requirement probably wouldn't be the same as if you're Facebook or Google.
So there would have to be some proportionality embedded into this.
But we would ask that they have a license.
Yes.
And there's one more moment where Gilbo, speaking on a panel, I think it was at Canada 2020 or something, said that they will reserve the right to use the nuclear option if they have to, to literally ban an entire website from Canada, Great Wall of China style, North Korea style, Cuba style, literally ban websites so you cannot get to them.
He called that the nuclear option.
Take a look at this.
Envision having blocking orders.
I mean, that's that maybe.
It's not, you know, it's a, it would be, it would likely be a last resolve, last resolve nuclear bomb in a toolbox of mechanism.
So maybe he was just saying whatever he needed to say.
But that guy is a communist authoritarian who is a convicted criminal.
He scaled the CN Tower in a Greenpeace stunt costing $50,000 in damages.
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He literally went on the roof of Ralph Klein's personal home when Klein wasn't there, terrified Klein's wife, did this stunt of installing a solar panel.
This guy is a creepy, weirdo, authoritarian lawbreaker.
He'll do anything.
And the fact that he's still in cabinet tells you a lot, I think.
Yeah, and I'll tell you, you know, again, things nobody ever said, that Stephen Gilbo, he knows how to listen.
Or, you know what?
Steve Gilbo sees the other person's point of view.
Oh, yeah.
And again, I was thinking, too, about this, this whole cabinet, that the problem in part is that, you know, when you're inside the fishbowl, the outside world looks distorted.
They don't think they're radical because everybody they know and associate with thinks the way they do, and they hold alternative views in contempt.
And this means that they'll think they're steering a moderate course when they're actually being very, very crazy left-wing.
And it's one thing to be radically left and know it.
And it's quite another to be out there clueless.
And again, I remember somebody, a British commentator, warning us about Carney and saying that he's a man demonstrated to have high intelligence but poor judgment.
And that even comes back to your concerns about Western alienation.
If Carney wanted to accommodate the West and soften feelings of alienation, he might find it hard to do.
But if he thinks that only absolute rugs and idiots and deplorables even regard that as a problem, he's liable to do all the things you'd put on a list.
Like if you were an Alberta separatist, you said, here's what I wish the prime minister would do so we can get out of Canada.
He'll probably do them all and not know he's doing them.
And that, in a way, is the scariest part.
The fact that it is, it's so unreflective that it's so, what they say is so trite.
What is it?
Carney is saying this new cabinet about the change that they promised Canada or some.
It just reads like one of those word generators in the 70s.
Yeah, Canada's new ministry is built to deliver the change Canadians want and deserve.
And they said about deserve.
Why do we deserve this change?
What did we do to deserve it?
I mean, what terrible thing did I do to deserve the change that Mark Carney will bring?
But they always talk like that.
And it's like this, you know, the tongue is disconnected from the brain.
Heaven knows where their thoughts are wandering while they just churn this out.
John Wither and C.S. Lewis is that hideous strength.
It's appallingly unintellectual.
Well, we're going to find out.
I mean, right now, I honestly could not tell you what Mark Carney is going to do.
He says weird things, as you point out.
He says we're in the crisis, the worst crisis in Canadian history.
Oh, I thought that was COVID.
Oh, I thought that was the truckers.
Oh, I thought that was the climate crisis.
Like, you know, they literally invented.
I don't even know what he's talking about.
I honestly don't know what he's talking about there.
Maybe he's referring to Trump.
I don't know.
I couldn't tell you if he's going to be close to Trump or an enemy of Trump because he said both things.
And some of them he says on the lowdown.
I don't know where he's going to be on the economy and immigration.
He's hinted he's going to be more moderate.
I don't know.
I don't think we know a bloody thing about him.
And we don't even know basic biographical information.
Has he renounced his other passports?
Where did he file his taxes for the last decade?
When was the last time he actually lived in Canada?
Does he even have an Ontario healthcare card?
Or is it still the NHS in the UK?
Does his family still live in other countries?
His wife, for example, I'm not so much interested in his grown children, but like who is Mark Carney?
I don't think we can deal with that name actually on the climate discussion nexus.
Yeah.
It's a real puzzler.
Yeah.
Well, we'll find out soon enough, but I'm afraid it'll be at high cost.
But, John, it's great to have you catch up with us.
And I'm going to check out the climate discussion Nexus.
That's a great name.
And thank you for telling it to me.
And thanks for spending the last 15 minutes with us too.
It's good to see you.
Always a pleasure.
All right.
There he is.
Dr. John Robson.
Stay with us.
more ahead.
Well, as you can see, I'm back in Calgary.
That's why I'm not in my studio.
I'm in Calgary today and tomorrow when we have our town hall meeting, but I'll be back at our world headquarters on Thursday.
Let me get to a couple of letters that you sent in overnight.
Jane Branchflower says, I live in Southern Ontario and support Alberton, Alberta.
Albertans have been very shabbily treated by Eastern Canada.
If I live there, I think I would want out too.
Well, it's hard to think about what's going on.
I mean, Alberta obviously will not move.
The cities and towns and land and people will still be there.
It'll just replace one government with a closer government that's more attentive to it, not distant and partisan and hostile.
So I think that things would very quickly return to a new normal.
I mean, the Czech Republic and Slovakia, they are still where they were.
They're just two political entities, not one.
It's morally dramatic, but it's allowed under Canadian law.
It'll be interesting to see what happens.
Jerry Purvis says, I know our President Trump likes to troll our northern neighbors about a 51st state, but it's not going to happen.
Our Constitution requires yes votes from two-thirds of Congress and then three-quarters of all 50 states before a new state can be added.
Funny that Carney never mentioned that during the campaign when he was trying to scare you in a voting form.
Still, I wish you the best as you try to figure out what to do next.
Remember, you have friends here in the States.
I know we do.
And I think Donald Trump, well, he very quickly, very clearly after the first mention of the 51st state, he meant it morally.
He wouldn't use force to make it happen.
It was just banter.
But that was enough for Mark Carney to make it his number one campaign talking point to scare people.
Bruce Acheson says, good point about suspecting dirty tricks from the establishment.
Grifters all want us to stay and power their gravy tree.
Well, that's the thing.
When I looked at that Yves Blanchette from the Block Québaquis, I couldn't really tell.
Does he want Canada to remain united?
Does he want Alberta to stay or go?
I think he actually would be terrified if Alberta left, because first of all, it would show that he failed in his mission of separatism.
But second of all, that's where all the equalization money comes from.
So I think that there's going to be people who say, whoa, Don't you dare leave.
That's our oil money.
Suddenly they'll love the oil.
Those are my thoughts for today.
It's our show for tonight.
Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World, why not in the world headquarters?
Am I?
And half of me here at my parents' house where I'm staying.