Warren Pickering, One Nation’s Victorian Senate lead and former combat engineer, argues the party’s rise stems from disenfranchised voters—7–7.5% in key Melbourne seats—rejecting major parties’ abandonment of working-class values post-COVID. He dismisses hate crimes bill opposition as misrepresented, citing sovereignty concerns, and rejects mergers with minor parties like libertarians or anti-Islamic groups over ideological clashes (e.g., opposing "heron injecting rooms"). With self-funded candidates and a brand rooted in resistance—including Pauline Hanson’s defiance—One Nation positions itself as the only principled bloc capable of blocking "bad legislation" under a potential Peter Dutton-led Liberal minority government, though Pickering warns against electoral miscalculations. His daughter’s campaign signals generational engagement, but he notes growing backlash since October 7, despite economic policies like income splitting resonating with young conservatives. [Automatically generated summary]
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Welcome back to the Yamini Report and it's election season.
Aren't we all so excited?
I know some of us or some of them have already been in election season for months.
They just no one wanted to admit it.
But in the lead up to the election, the people that I want to talk to are those that are making a difference, hopefully on our side here in Australia.
And no one makes more of a difference, more of an impact than the very One Nation, a party that I've been following for a long time.
In fact, it was my first introduction into the political realm, the political world, was when I made the grave mistake in inviting Pauline Hansen and Malcolm Roberts to speak to the Jewish community in 2017.
Oh, well, man, I did not realize inviting elected officials could cause such a shitstorm.
And what a shock it was when the AFP ended up shutting down our event because outsiders came to gate crash and threaten the local Jewish community.
Outsiders now that are recognized, the same ones we see marching on the streets every week against the Jewish community.
They were willing back then in 2017 to come and protest a Jewish event in which Pauline Hansen and Malcolm Roberts came to speak because they just because they're so tolerant.
But we're not talking about that tonight.
We're talking about everything around the election and One Nation in Victoria.
Mate, how you doing?
Welcome to the show.
Shifts and Policies00:10:26
For those who don't actually know who you are, go and introduce yourself.
Yeah, thanks, Avi.
I am absolutely fantastic, mate.
And, you know, there's never been a better time to get behind One Nation Victoria.
So, viewers, my name is Warren Pickering and I am the lead senator candidate for the One Nation Party.
I've also assumed the responsibility of state director for these last three or so years since I was first endorsed on a federal ticket in 2022.
Look, my background is I grew up in Gippsland, Victoria, country boy, bricklayer for 10 years, then joined the army as a combat engineer, combat operations and humanitarian disaster relief ops all around the planet and back to sunny Victoria to try and fix things sort of post-COVID to get engaged.
So look, I never saw politics on my own horizon.
To this point, I'm not good at self-promotion.
I have no desire to be a politician.
But the trouble is, as soon as I got a little bit involved, I went down the rabbit hole and realised that, look, there is an absolute desperate need for real people to get involved in the political sphere in this country.
We suffer for political ignorance.
And I don't believe that's an accident.
You know, we moved political science from the syllabus in the 1980s.
And I think as a result, we're all largely politically illiterate in this country.
So yeah, running an active education campaign and try and enlighten some people and get a few more regular auses involved.
Well, I want to start by thank you firstly for your service.
And I guess your service now is to trying at least to push.
And I don't care what I know you do care, but I care less about which of the minor right-wing parties.
I feel like we just need to push.
some of those in.
You know, the best outcome for me in this election would be if we get, for the first time, I believe, a liberal minority government in which, you know, one nation holds the balance of power.
Imagine that.
And I'm assuming that's what you're going for.
Mate, that's sort of what I've been pitching to people as well.
As much as we'd love to say we're going to secure a whole swag of lower house seats and have to form government.
Well, I do foresee that potentially happening within my lifetime, probably not this election cycle.
You might have to form government with Trumpets of Patriots because I believe that they're going to have a prime minister.
Just fucking.
Hey.
Classic.
Mate, you've got to be ambitious, don't you?
You've got to own high.
Look, but that's what I've been pitching to people as well.
The reality is whether it's our party or whether you share a value set with one of the other freedom-friendly minor parties is somewhat irrelevant.
Yes, of course, I have a bias that I'd like to be my party.
But I believe firmly that One Nation is the most capable vehicle of delivering us that balance of power to the freedom-friendly minor party movement.
I genuinely believe that.
And I think realistically, we could pick up a few lower house seats this time around, but we have seen successive election cycles and watched the majors lose traction for the last two decades, effectively.
You know, we saw Albuci pick up, I believe, with the lowest percentage ever, 33-odd percent primary vote.
And it's likely if Dutton secures government, it's going to be with even less and maybe even, yeah, have to potentially form something of a coalition or work with One Nation to do that.
But look, I think that's our best hope as a society at the moment is for a liberal government under Peter Dutton with One Nation holding the balance of power.
We can pull that party back to its conservative base.
We can quite literally block bad legislation in the Senate.
Yeah, I agree with you.
So from your perspective, I guess, you know, we've seen a lot of people, a lot of parties pop up since COVID or right after COVID.
We've seen a lot of people shift around between the different parties.
You haven't.
In the last election, you were standing as a Senate candidate as well.
I remember we did the debate night.
You were there.
Why have you stuck with One Nation?
Why did you join One Nation then?
And is it the same reasons why you're still with One Nation?
Has there been any shift for you?
Because for others, it obviously clearly has been a shift.
They've moved around.
Yeah, look, and I appreciate that because COVID was, I think, very polarising for a lot of us in a lot of ways.
And I think a lot of people had previously not taken interest in the political sphere.
After COVID, they realised they need to take an interest.
So they jumped on, you know, the bandwagon with the party that was available to them at the time that represented their values or their needs at the time.
Whereas I think now a lot of people have probably had the opportunity to really research parties and find, you know, which ones and their policies best resonate with them and get behind and support them, which is fantastic.
You know, that's the democratic process in action.
So that's great.
But for me personally, I was always One Nation was never going to be anyone else for me.
Why?
And I always resonated with One Nation policy and I always will.
The fundamentals of the policy, I think, are the fundamentals of the Judeo-Christian value set that this country was founded upon.
And far from the mainstream media's, you know, the belief that the mainstream media would perpetuate us to be these right-wing extremists.
I truly believe that One Nation is the last bastion of true conservatism in this country.
So a lot has happened since you ran last.
Has, I guess first, has One Nation, have you seen any shift?
Because One Nation in Victoria has never been particularly successful.
Has there been a growth since, I guess, the last election?
Mate, there has been exponential growth.
So One Nation in Victoria, a lot of people don't realise this.
So they just assume because Senator Hanson's been around and fighting this fight since 1996 that, you know, this party is firmly established in Victoria.
But the reality is we ran our first state election in 2022 and we managed to get Ricky Lee Turrell, MLC, up for Northern Victoria region.
So we're 100% success rate for state elections in Victoria.
Now, that's a phenomenal statistic when you consider 21 individual parties registered to run at the last state election.
Yeah, as I said, so Victoria is now our fastest growing membership base.
And a lot of those are disenfranchised Labor and Liberal voters, which was surprising to me, but many are just conservative people that held onto those traditional value sets of both those parties.
I find that interesting.
So I do hear that a lot of Labour, I guess, working class, traditional, real Labour people do move over.
How many do you see coming over?
And what are the kind of policies that you're finding that they are joining you for?
Generally, just the standard economic policy or the standard sort of policy that resonate with families, like particularly of late, it's the income splitting policy that we put forward to campaign on in this federal election because we know it's those economic policies that people are going to vote on this election.
People are feeling it.
They're hurting in the hip pocket.
So things like that that are just common sense economic policy that they're not seeing from either of the major parties, which is interesting to me because I guess I suffer the illusion that most people understand the party that they vote for and the very center of the party they vote for, whereas the Labour Party no longer represent that conservative working class value set that they did in the 50s and 60s and 70s.
And I think people are realising that.
You know, they've become a very social oriented party.
And most of their policies are based around whoever jumps up and down and becomes a squeakiest wheel or makes the most noise or whatever.
You know what I mean?
They just seek to capitulate to the very vocal left to the detriment of their traditional support base.
Look, and I argue that the same thing sort of happened within the Liberal Party.
So people that actually do a little bit of research into the parties, they're starting to realise that those parties no longer represent their value set.
And, you know, Rust on Red or Blue, no matter who, they won't vote for their nemesis, if you know what I mean.
It's a bit of a cult and you will never get a bummer supporter to Barrack for Collingwood.
It's the same concept.
So, you know, One Nation offers a palatable third-party alternative for those people.
And look, as I said, traction is building all over the state.
Our membership's the highest it's ever been and it's fastest growing in the country.
So I'm not going to do any contributing factors, mate.
But yeah, there doesn't seem to be an end in sight.
How many people are you running in this election in Victoria?
We're running a full suite of candidates.
I would have liked to have had an active candidate in every seat.
So we've had expressions of interest open for almost 12 months.
But as you well know, mate, it doesn't always translate to people throwing their hand up early.
And all our candidates are self-funded.
So everybody's got some skin in the game.
And I think that helps with people.
We are running genuine, passionate people that want to advocate for their communities.
and they are self-funding.
And I think it's important to note that point because it's easy to throw a big bundle of cash up and find some corporate sponsorship and be a bit of a sellout and just throw money at candidates who speak well.
But we don't want that.
We want real people from the real world to represent our community.
That's what's missing in politics right now.
These people that represent us claim to have a finger on the pulse of the working class community.
They've got no idea.
They've come through the best schools, which is not their fault, obviously, and then fallen into safe labor and liberal seats.
And all they've ever done is public service.
They've been public servants since they left school and they've never put kids through a public school system.
They've never owned a small business.
They've never done any of the things that we do on the daily.
Although I hear the ads of Peter Dudson.
They're taking in their own fiscal literacy and poor economic management.
They've got no idea.
Have you heard the Peter Dudson ad that's been playing at the moment where he says, when I was a police officer, I can't remember where he's pointing out he used to be a police officer.
He owned the business and he's trying to relate to him.
Well, even if he says, mate, your dad was a bricklayer.
Young Voices, New Direction00:05:32
Okay.
That doesn't translate anything to you, mate.
Like, you know, you grew up in a working class household.
I got it.
Yeah.
So tell me, this is your second now, second election that you're kind of leading the One Nation party here.
Is that right?
Yeah, yeah, correct.
Yeah, state spokesperson.
Look, and it's been very rewarding, actually, screening candidates and finding candidates to run it and trying to inspire people to run.
And effectively, I've found people that have joined for the same reason that I have that run for the same reason I am.
You know, I've got no interest in self-promotion.
I'm bloody terrible at it, mate.
You've probably seen my socials.
They're useless.
You know, and most of these people are the same.
They're just working class people that have no desire to be the center of anything but their own private universe.
But we can't, in good conscience, sit back and do nothing while our country continues to go to the dogs.
And I think we are on the precipice of social economic collapse.
And my daughter's just turned 21 and she has nowhere near the same opportunities that I had at 21, just 21 years ago.
And we're having an inherent responsibility to do something about that, mate.
I'm still getting over the fact that you're ever 21, you're telling me.
She's actually running.
Oh, is she running?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
She works in a pub.
It's interesting.
So I've got a different take on the younger generation than most people do.
Firstly, I was forced to eat humble pie when I was in the army as a non-commissioned officer.
And some of my younger soldiers coming from various regions, I wanted to be, I didn't want to be, but I did adopt some of the stereotypical behaviours and go, oh, this bloody young generation, mate, they're useless.
But I was forced to eat humble pie.
A lot of them, specifically from different areas, were very swift, very on point.
And yeah, very much non-reflective of what I've been exposed to in, say, Metro Victoria or whatnot.
Now, my daughter, she works in pubs and it's interesting.
She tells me all the time, she goes, I think you'll find most young people are conservative and don't even know it yet.
Yeah.
I elected member Ricky Lee Tyrell and myself going out and doing events, especially in the regions.
We have a lot of young people come up.
And I give them One Nation shirts under the proviso that they wear it around for the rest of the day or a One Nation cap.
Yeah, mate, you can have it.
You've got to wear it all day at this event.
And it's fantastic.
We get them involved and it's great.
But a lot of these young kids, especially the young lads, are look, they're doing a backflip.
So you know how you always have a rebellion against your parents' value sets?
You know, we had the punts in the 80s and then the goths in the 90s or whatever else.
Now there seems to be a rebellion back towards conservative value sets amongst young people.
They don't give a damn about people's sexuality or their gender or any of this crap.
They've had a gut full of the woke ideology that's been rammed down their throats by their millennial parents and their millennial school teachers.
And all they want to see is a world where they can have stable employment and buy a house before they're 30.
And they're not seeing that.
So while they're not necessarily engaged in the political sphere yet, I'm very optimistic for the future that that entire generation are rebelling against the woke ideology and adopting conservative principles in some sort of strange generational rebellion.
It's great.
How did the conversation of getting your daughter to run, how did that go?
Has she been politically involved?
She's been part of what you've been doing.
And how does mum feel about it?
Wait, the whole way she's been a part of it.
Absolutely.
This is like a family.
She already ran as a number two on Ricky Lee Tyrrell's seat in Northern Victoria so that we could obviously on the ballot paper get Ricky Lee's name above.
There's no chance of being elected from that position or, you know, it's an absolute breadcrumb's chance.
So she had that little piece of exposure there.
And this time she just said, yep, throw me down, Dan.
I'm keen for it.
So look, if this is what it takes to get young people involved, then so be it.
We get their names on ballot papers.
We get their faces on Core Flutes.
We get them out there speaking to the community, engaging with the community.
Look, it might take 10 years before she takes it serious.
No, absolutely not.
She's tough as nails, mate.
She's different, my daughter.
She's very different.
She's probably, not that I lack emotional maturity, mate, but I think she's an old soul, that one.
She's probably more emotionally mature than I ever was.
And Talbot, compared to the last election that you ran, was there anything in the last election that you ran that you learnt that you feel like you didn't do so well and you learned off that?
Yeah, look, definitely, I'd say it's more about staying on message than anything.
I think there was a lot, there was a lot of emotionally charged events and speaking points and whatnot in the buildup to the last election, you know, post-COVID, what every event I attended, and I had no exposure to doing these things previously.
You know, I trained military staffer for it, RMC and whatnot, but I hadn't, you know, been to these events where people are constantly shouting out or trying to express their opinions through their own, you know, emotional channels.
And they were so emotionally charged just that time in general.
And I think as a result, there was a lot of focus on specific things.
And if you didn't articulate yourself a particular way, then people decided they were off you.
And I don't know.
Echo Chamber Politics00:14:39
I just feel like this time around, we know what people want.
People are struggling economically.
We thought people were going to wake up and pay more attention to the political sphere after COVID and go out and actively educate themselves on how best to achieve good outcomes through the voting process, but that didn't occur.
And I think this time around, people really are.
People have started to realize that, you know, a vote for the major parties is simply an invitation to be delivered more of the same.
And people have finally had a gut full of that and they are looking for an alternative.
So it becomes easier for us as a political party representative to target those people with accurate messaging.
And it's, look, I think the majors are missing the point again.
They've just not read the room because all you really need is good economic policy.
And nobody else seems to have a suite of good economic policy except for One Nation this time around.
Recently, there has been a bit of controversy online.
And it's funny that you say that you've actually grown because I know that online and I know that online is often not necessarily reflective of reality.
But online there has been campaigns against One Nation, often for reasons that I actually support One Nation even more so now, because I realize how principled Pauline Hansen actually has turned out to be.
Although many of us could see that, I could see it a few years ago.
But I think, honestly, since October 7, it's been really clear to see who's principled and who's captured by their crowd, who's going to follow, instead of leading the policy discussion and the direction of the party's policy, they instead completely take, you know, listen to the a bit like how you described the loudest, what do you call them, the squeakiest, loudest money.
And I think most authorities in the party.
But One Nation even has that, had that too, those people that would jump up and down and scream.
And you'd see them online and then they would condemn.
So, you know, if One Nation really has grown in that period, that's an amazing thing because that's not what it was portrayed online.
But there were a couple of things that, you know, one that I certainly support is One Nation stance, obviously with respect to Israel, Gaza, Pauline Hansen's position on no, we're not going to take the side of Islamists, which, you know, what, if you've been following One Nation for a long time, you know how passionate she's felt about that threat for so many years.
But having said that, I've seen a lot of people over the last year and a half who I thought had strong principled positions when it came to Islamic jihad and terrorism and the threat Islamism poses on Australia.
So there's that one that I obviously spoke, but then you had the vote recently when it came to the free speech.
The hate crimes bill.
That's right.
And that caused a bit of a stir online where people didn't even understand, including myself.
I didn't understand what the position of One Nation actually was because they abstained from the vote instead of voting against it or with it.
Firstly, did that affect you at all in the party really?
Or was that just internet noise?
Were there members that were upset about that?
I've got a couple of things.
So I'll elaborate just on a couple of background pieces here as well.
So firstly, with regard to being firm in your convictions and backing up your positions on things publicly.
So when you talk about a lot of people believed that you lost respect for that you previously thought had a firm conviction or a firm position on something and then turned out they really didn't specifically after October 7.
And I think that goes back to, you know, specifically the major parties.
We see it a lot.
They compromise to their, they compromise their convictions in an effort to accommodate the vocal left, those that jump up and down and make the most noise.
And they do it to their own detriment.
They just seem to think that those extremely vocal minorities.
But we've even seen it in, we've seen it in the minor parties as well, to different degrees.
And maybe not, they're not capitulating to the vocal left.
They could also nowadays be trying to appease that new, what we like to call the new woke right within their parties or the woke.
They feel like if we go down that way, we can appeal to the woke parties.
Yeah, well, they do.
And they are, we've seen in the Liberal Party.
And I mean, I specifically use Peter Dutton as an example to a certain point.
Peter Dutton five years ago, immigration minister, I really liked him back then.
I thought he was great.
Whereas now we seem to be getting this watered down version of Peter Dutton.
And I think it has the same thing.
But that's why you need a minority One Nation.
That's why you need someone within your fan party.
So, you know, whether it's external to your own party or whether it's internal, that's capitulation of your value set to a certain extent.
Look, and as far as damaging ourselves as a party, look, yeah, the flow and implications of the vote on the hate speech bill hurt us.
It was a problem.
But I think, again, it was that emotionally charged space.
Now, I've just sort of detracted myself from the discussion at the time on social media because it is still the echo chamber.
The educated mate, you know as well as I do it is.
It's the same 200,000 people that follow Senator Hanson, that follow Malcolm Roberts, that follow Ralph Babette, that follow, you know, Gerard Rennick.
It's the same 200,000, 300-odd thousand people across the country.
And it's great that they are staying politically involved and active, but it is the echo chamber of the educated.
And if you allow that to determine which way you're going to, you know, swing your opinions, well, then you weren't originally formulating your opinions based on conviction anyway, were you?
So, look, and I think as Senator Hanson has always been a staunch advocate for both the state of Israel and the Jewish people, and One Nation will continue to be that and continue to play that role.
You know, we have no fear of those who purvey anti-Semitism, especially here in Victoria.
Yeah, we will not be silenced by these people.
She certainly hasn't.
She's been the first to stand up.
With the hate speech bill, how did you feel about that?
Look, I get people that were emotionally enraged as a result of One Nation abstaining from the vote.
But they've got to also understand, because Senator Hanson and One Nation have always been such large, staunch advocates for the state of Israel and why did they abstain?
Well, it was in the face of the anti-Semitism that was effectively plaguing the entire country.
So on the one hand, you have One Nation who want to continue to support that community, but then you also see a knee-jerk reaction from the government, which was the pretense for proposing this bill in the first place.
So we didn't want to just outright vote on it.
This is my point.
I suspected it was something along those lines, but I personally think they should have voted against it.
It's easy for me to say that sitting here as a Jew.
I just don't think the hate bill, any of these hate bill legislations are ever helpful.
The one thing that I thought when I was looking at the legislation, the part that I would have felt certainly conflicted about from the One Nation position and my own position would be I'm pro the, what was it, the minimum mandatory minimum sentence for terrorism, right?
And that's something that I know Paul and Hanson's spoke, but they're conflating all these issues.
That's specifically one of the components that Senator Roberts and Senator Hanson really wanted to hash out.
That's why they were requesting to debate.
And when that was guillotined, that's when we saw Senator Roberts really get frustrated and go, well, Barbara, what's the bloody point?
This is an absolute stitch-up.
And I understand his position there.
You know, I think half an education is sometimes more dangerous than no education at all.
And a lot of people that were half educated were out there purveying this myth that One Nation voted against free speech.
Firstly, it was a hate crimes bill.
Secondly, there was components in the bill that really did need to be discussed in parliament.
And we do need to create robust dialogue around these topics.
And if we can't do it in parliament, where the bloody hell can we do it for a start?
Now, secondly, a lot of people were resharing that information when the reality was, even if both Senators Hansen and Roberts had abode on that bill, it would have made zero difference when you looked at the vote, the numbers anyway, which they were well aware of.
Yeah, it is frustrating that that information was shared around the way it was.
I had people that were, I was speaking to about potential candidacy at the time that then pulled their name out of the hat and said, well, that's it.
I'm not going to vote for the party that, you know, run for a party that doesn't advocate for free speech.
I'm like, are you kidding?
One Nation has been the most staunch advocate for free speech in this country for the last 25 years.
Anyway, it was frustrating, mate, and it did hurt.
But the reality is, I think most people see through it and most people understand that One Nation still to this day is the biggest minor party with firm conviction and the only one that is a genuine chance to become the vehicle that's a catalyst for change in this country.
So the average person, because I dare say the average person probably doesn't even, and it goes to the point that you made before, where it is the, what do you call them, the educated echo chamber of the educated.
The echo chamber of the educator.
I like that.
That's a good saying, a good way to describe it.
But the majority of Australia is not in that echo chamber.
The average person who knows of One Nation probably doesn't know much about the hate crimes bills, doesn't know anything about that, what they do know.
What is it from your perspective that they do know about One Nation?
Well, it's interesting you raised that point because that's what I see amongst a lot of the other minor parties that look, I don't blame them, but to a certain extent, they want to differentiate themselves and create a name for themselves.
So they want to a certain extent, you know, posher themselves as a party of self-righteousness or whatever else to try and for some reason, scrap it out over a percentage of the 3% vote instead of expanding the overall voter base and then preferencing internally.
Explain that because that's really good.
I get what you're saying now.
I'm not sure the viewers understanding what you're saying.
I agree with the people, as we alluded to, that are in the echo chamber, the educator, they effectively make up, you know, two to three percent of the Australian population and they vote for freedom-friendly minor parties.
But they'll attack One Nation publicly.
And we've had a bit of this.
It's been not too bad.
And I think we're on top of it because people want to see unity above all else.
So they've been making their representatives from minor parties accountable and saying, well, no, that's enough of that crap.
We want to see you work together, which is great that people are actively doing that, taking a part, actively taking a part in the democratic process.
Now, they seem to want to attack One Nation as a good strategy to secure one or two or 3% or scrap it out over the 10%.
You're saying other minor parties that are also running.
Yeah, yeah, we have seen a bit of that in the past.
So basically they're putting their effort.
This is what you're saying.
This is what I'm understanding you say.
They're putting their effort.
These other minor parties or different candidates within other minor parties are putting their effort in fighting against One Nation because I've witnessed this a bit.
Fighting against One Nation to fight over that one to 2% in the 3% that's still up for grabs instead of, what did you say?
Instead of growing their voter base beyond the 3%.
of growing the overall voter base for the freedom and then internally friendly minor party community but look and i think and then internally preferencing of that Yeah, look, and I think they're suffering the illusion that, you know, there is four or five percent there to be fought over.
But the reality is a large portion of the percentage, the people that vote for One Nation, don't vote for One Nation because it's a part of the freedom-friendly minor party movement.
As you say, as you alluded to, they're not paying attention to the bigger picture.
They don't know what the hate crimes bill was about.
They don't understand that.
They're not paying attention to that.
A lot of, and I'd say a majority of the One Nation voter base vote for One Nation because of the work that Senator Pauline Hanson has been doing for the last 45 years.
They're voting for Pauline Hanson.
Like, I don't suffer the illusion that most of the voters that come to the One Nation Party in Victoria voting for Warren Pickering.
I don't know who the hell I am.
They're voting for the One Nation Party and the voter percent that it represents.
The brand that they know has, you know, been there at the forefront for all those years and never backed down.
In fact, went to jail over it.
Like, that's what people are voting for.
She's tried and tested and they know that.
And I think that.
And this is why we've got certain seats, especially here in Victoria, looking at the numbers where at the last election, as I said, last election, we only ran 15 physical candidates because that's all we could muster.
The rest we ran non-active candidates.
Now, there's numerous seats around metropolitan Melbourne where we picked up seven, seven and a half percent of the vote.
That's incredible out of 100 to 110,000 people.
Now, they're not voting for a local candidate.
They're voting for the One Nation brand.
Yeah.
No, of course.
We know that.
And the One Nation brand has been, I guess, consistent.
And I think that's what people love about it.
And you make a good point.
No matter where you sit on that hate crimes bill, it's not really what people are going to be voting on.
It's going to be the internal, the different groups.
Yes.
I think I witnessed some of the more vocal voices.
And I was confused as well, to be honest, looking at it.
It didn't really change my mind because I don't think, you know, I think I know enough about the people within One Nation and what they stand for to know that it was definitely not a support of the censorship parts of that bill.
Well, look, and if it hadn't been a 50-50, you split vote and you didn't guarantee that both senators from One Nation wouldn't have been voting on that bill.
Preferences Over Partisanship00:12:49
100% you would have seen them voting.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, yeah, so that, so that hurt you guys a little bit internally.
but since then has there been a bounce back or like have people within One Nation that, so are there people within One Nation Victoria that basically aired their issue or brought their issue up with you and now are back in or have they all moved on?
And the people there now were not people that, for the most part, people just wanted an explanation.
You know, membership party wanted an explanation once it was explained to them properly because again, these are people that are members but they're still not necessarily paying attention.
All they heard, as I alluded to before, was secondhand from somebody who was half educated, which is potentially more dangerous than no education on the topic.
Uh, and they just heard it secondhand.
So, once they'd received a reasonable explanation, what was the explanation you gave?
What was the explanation?
First, they were saying, you know, I just heard that we voted against um, you know free speech and went well.
Firstly no, we abstained from voting.
Secondly, it wasn't free speech, it was a hate crimes bill.
Speech wasn't even in the tide but we know is reflective of free speech and the continual erosion of sovereignty that we see in this country.
Now what um, senator Roberts was proposing?
That we needed to debate this topic based on this reason, this reason, this reason that didn't occur.
Now, the vote.
I believe the vote was.
I think it was what 52 to 4, or whoever turned up and the rest were, were abstains.
Um so So there was absolutely no way it could have been.
There was no chance.
Yeah, look, amongst people was sort of had to explain to it this way.
They were a bit more amenable to, you know, getting on with it.
It was more so that they didn't like copying flax secondhand from other people within the freedom-friendly minor party community saying, well, why are you still a member of that party?
They voted against free speech.
Well, it's interesting because the whole freedom, the freedom-friendly, that brand, that's all like relatively new because that's since COVID.
I guess the libertarians have been around for a long time.
That's been the language they've adopted many years ago.
And this topic comes up all the time, and you know it does as well as I do.
Why don't you all just merge together and finally get along like one giant happy party?
Well, everybody thought that was going to happen.
That was going to happen a few weeks ago when Trumpets of Patriots announced itself.
Yeah, but look, and that's absolutely impossible because when you look at the value sets of the individual parties, yeah, on the surface, there is a lot of crossover.
You know, we all kind of want to minimise the size of government.
It's become too encumbersome.
We all want to see some common sense policy brought back in and we all want to, you know, above all else, you know, enshrine freedom of speech in the Constitution, as Senator Ralph Perbett has proposed, as Senator Hanson has previously proposed as well, you know.
But there is enough key differences that if we did merge, it would become a problem down the track and would end up just as factional as the bloody Liberal Party or the Labour Party.
You know, there's libertarianism isn't conservatism, all right?
There's a difference.
You know, there is a massive amount of crossover, but, you know, specifically at the state level, I don't want heron injecting rooms in my sales around Melbourne.
All right.
That's a biggie for me.
And I'm not prepared to negotiate on that, if you know what I mean.
So there's enough big differences that it would cause a problem down the track.
But there's enough crossover that we should be able to work together.
And that's what I think we as a society need right now more than anything.
There's more that unites us than divides us.
And we can work together in this capacity.
And we need to focus on those things first and work out the final details later.
But as far as merging goes, it's impossible and it's a silly idea.
And I also believe that we get lost in the noise.
While One Nation is an identifiable household brand for better or for worse in this country, I think if we became one big conglomerate, again, we're suffering the echo of the educated illusion that the rest of Australia is paying attention.
They're not going to know who this new great big united, freedom-friendly minor party movement is.
All they're going to see is look at a ballot paper and go, well, I don't see One Nation on here anymore.
So we get lost in the noise, if you know what I mean.
And I think that's a mistake.
Which kind of also works against there is this technique that's been used over the years where you actually create a heap of parties just so you do feed your preferences around.
Look, that's a vote harvesting system that I think was first designed and utilized to good effect by Glenn Jury, the preference for us.
Look, and I think this is a problem.
We've gotten rid of the group voting ticket federally in all other states because it's a subversion of the democratic process.
But we've still got it here in Victoria State, which is absolute garbage, but we have to work with it to best effect.
So we have to ensure that parties are maintaining their integrity, get together into a voting block and preference each other.
Now, this is the other reason it is in our best interest not to merge because we need more and more minor parties to preference each other internally in a voting block to secure seats at Victoria.
Have you guys sorted your preferences already?
For federal?
For the federal election.
For federal.
So I'm leaving that up to senior leadership because they obviously manage preferences for the whole country.
I'll obviously have input, but I'll leave that up to the senior leadership.
Have they done it already or are they working on it now?
Oh, look, I'm not at liberty to discuss as yet, mate.
Like it's probably still an ongoing discussion but uh, well done for trying so with with the lower house candidates, though we don't take those, those uh options out of our lower house candidates hands.
You know they have influence in that.
I don't know.
And, and Queensland don't know who's best to preference someone in the seat of um one, and whether the lower house they get the candidates decide for themselves, correct?
Yeah, with a little bit of guidance absolutely yeah, they know you know they might have some great independents that aren't Teals running in their seats.
That could be fantastic for their committee.
Like the ability to nominate them in their preference flow out of their hands.
That's just not fair.
Sorry mate, I spoke over you.
What did you say I was?
I was trying to be funny.
Yeah, I was saying you know that what is it?
The NEW Muslim Party, the Muslim Votes or whatever they, or is that just me?
Yeah, or that might just be an alliance like the Teals, where they're running just independents everywhere?
Yeah, like it could be.
But look, and I think um Glenn Drew has probably got a hand in that too, being uh senator payments advisor now I feel like he's your payment's advisor.
Now he is.
He is mate.
I feel like he probably instigated the whole thing, but anyway, good on him.
Wow gosh, that guy is a a real rat.
A rot on our system.
Look, he absolutely is.
If it wasn't him, it'd be someone else.
So the point is, the system allows people like him to exist within it.
So whether it was him or not, it'd be someone else.
The point is, the system is what needs to change now.
I don't know how he can go from like, talking to Anti-Islamic parties to joining Muslim parties.
A guy literally doesn't stand for anything but his paycheck at the end of it 100, 100.
Yeah well, he's carved out a neat little niche for himself.
The thing is over, and I had discussions with him at Victorian State last time, because the thing is a lot of people went.
I can't believe you were talking to him.
You don't understand.
If you're managing preferences in the state of Victoria, especially as a minor party representative, you need to be speaking to everyone, even those people who would never vote for you and who you'd never vote for and who you don't want in your preference flow, if for no other reason than to work out who they're working with.
You need to be speaking to everyone.
Did you guys?
Did you guys actually end up working with him or not?
No no, absolutely not, of course not.
No, and that's, I think, that's also a testament to the integrity of the ONE Nation brand.
We weren't prepared to compromise on our integrity to work with a voting bloc that could have potentially propelled more lefties into office, and that's what his voting block effectively does, which is why we're still stuck with it in Victoria, because the Labor government and Greens government and and greens parties in Victoria can continue to re-elect, utilizing this block.
That continues to propel more socialists and communists into office.
So why would they try and change a system that's not broken for them?
Do you guys have more volunteers than you did last time?
Uh, it's hard to say really, like you know what it's like.
A lot of people still aren't paying attention until they turn up to pre-poll and don't see ONE Nation CORE Flute out and then they reach out and go.
What's going on?
I didn't send anyone.
Throw your hand.
We need more people.
Look, I'm working off the basis that 60% or almost 60% of Australians are voting in that two weeks of pre-poll now.
We know that.
And while we don't have the boots on the ground to man 50 booths per electorate on election day, we can cover 60% of the community by manning all three or four booths in pre-poll.
So I think that's a key point.
So look, the intention is to try and get those manned.
Happy to share resources with other minor parties, freedom-friendly minor parties, because, you know, we're effectively trying to advocate for the same sorts of things as gain.
We touch on those big issues.
So, yeah, I'm not going to specifically say, you know, no, you're only handing out for One Nation.
You know, we have people that are members of other parties that want to hand out for us where we have a physical candidate and they're paying for it.
So you guys, so when you go to the- We're not going to preclude other people from other parties, members from other parties from handing out for One Nation.
There's no way.
But just to clarify, so you guys are making deals with the other minor parties where you hand out each other things to spread out.
It's not deals, but we're having discussions.
I mean, we've got a lot of the support network, the support networks for everybody.
So, you know, again, it's probably maybe 10,000 people across Victoria that advocate for freedom-friendly minor parties.
And they might not be One Nation supporters.
They might be Libertarian supporters, but they might not have a Libertarian candidate in their seat.
I'm not going to preclude those people from handing out for One Nation and vice versa.
Like, I just think that's how we work together without having to, you know, form some sort of legal entity between parties.
We share resources where we can.
And, you know, and then it becomes a friendly race towards the finish line at the end.
And talking about the end, before we wrap up, what is your, I know what you hope happens.
What's your prediction of what will play out in this election?
Not that your prediction's any better.
Although you guys probably, you run polling, so I'm assuming you know.
I don't engage in that bullshit, mate, if I'm honest.
Polling.
You guys don't do One Nation doesn't do internal polling?
Not really, no.
Okay.
I'm like you, I think it's entirely speculative, but I see a minority Dutton government with one nation.
You think it's a minority Dutton government that's coming?
Look, Mike, look, I know and you know that they need to flip 20 odd seats across the nation to secure government.
I know and you know where those seats are achievable.
Now, I'm not seeing, I think they've misread the room in some circumstances and put the wrong candidate forward, read the demographic wrong for specific seats where they could have had an opportunity to flip.
And I don't think they've necessarily, again, speculation.
I could be completely wrong, but I think they've misread the room in some of these electorates and put the wrong candidate forward.
So time will tell.
But your prediction is minority Dutton.
Yeah.
That is my best case scenario.
That's what I'm praying for.
So on that note, mate, thanks again for joining us.
Where can people find you, whether it's social media or even to come and volunteer or whatever, get involved in what you guys are doing?
Where can people find you?
Reach out, warrenpickering at one nation.org or jump on just warren.pickering on Facebook, Instagram.
Actually, I'm locked out of Facebook at the moment.
That's a whole other story, mate.
Three times in a month.
I feel like I'm being targeted.
Anyway, but yeah, look, Instagram or yeah, warrenpickering at one nation.org is probably the best bet.
And look, I'd love you to get involved.
I want people to, we are at the grassroots level in the state of Victoria still.
Make no mistake, we are building, but we are still at the grassroots level.
So get involved now.
There's never been a better time to get on board with One Nation in Victoria.
And we want Victorians to get involved and actually help us shape policy and formulate the direction of this party in the state of Victoria over the next three to five years.
So get involved now.
Mate, thanks for your time.
Good luck.
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Cheers, mate.
Well, I hope you enjoyed that interview as much as I did.
I think he's a top bloke.
I think the One Nation Institute here in Victoria is growing and it is an institute around the country for good reason.
Aussies trust that brand.
Now we're up to that part of the show where I go through some of your comments through the week on the post because as a Rebel News Plus subscriber, I encourage you to go on and engage in the conversation on the stories, our stories.
So Rebel NewsAustralia, rebelnews.com.au.
On those stories that go there, whether it's the videos like this one or any of the other stories, get involved in the conversation and I'll read your comments here.
So this one was obviously, I joined Billboard Chris on the streets of Melbourne or on the hostile streets of Melbourne.
They certainly were hostile.
This lovely lad told us what he thinks, said the quiet part out loud, where he supports, you know, this is a new immigrant, an immigrant to Australia from Somalia, comes here and tells us how much he supports rape.
And I've got no right to say anything because I'm not an Aboriginal person, so I can't say that I welcome him.
It's just madness and it's crazy that we've gotten to a point where people are so brazen about that that they'll say it to a camera.
There was not one ounce of shame in that guy.
He was proud about his position.
And Bruce, welcome back this week.
What if that African could be sent back time to Germany in 1938, just saying, well, you know, he was supporting very much some of the ideas of Nazi Germany.
I understand what you're trying to get at there.
Yeah, certainly.
He also added, this world is outside and inside out.
Good is now evil and evil is now good.
We must turn things around and stop the mutilation of impressionable children.
As I often do, Bruce, I agree with you on that one.
Jamie, Australia reminds me of Canada.
Like Canadians, it seems Australians have been taught to hate themselves.
I mean, that last white guy was in Australia, but yes, but yet, I mean, that last white guy, the last white guy in the video, was in Australia, but yet he says he's seen a better flag than the Australian flag.
That's messed up.
I agree with you.
Isn't it mind-boggling that somebody in Australia, he had an Aussie accent.
He was white Australian.
He just happy to say it straight to my face that he thinks that there are better countries than Australia.
Why not go there?
Go there.
That black guy sounded ridiculous talking about how Israelis should go back to where they came from.
Most of those people came from Israel.
Well, at least historically, when you want to talk about, in one breath, he talks about Israelis having to go back to where they come from.
But when I put it to him that many Australians might say that he should go back to where he comes from, he will deem that as racist when bizarrely, most Israelis are the Indigenous people of that land.
But he was, you know, telling me at the same time that I could not welcome him into Australia or not welcome him into Australia because I'm not Indigenous.
You can't make this stuff up.
That would be like someone telling him to go back to Africa.
Completely ignorant, isn't it?
No, but it's even more.
It's even more than somebody telling him to go back to Africa because the people that he's telling to go back to the countries that they came from in Israel are actually the Indigenous people.
That's like him turning to an Aboriginal person here, an Indigenous person here, and telling them to go back to where they came from.
Because, anyways, I don't even know how to explain it.
I know that land does not belong to the Indigenous, not anymore.
Now they share it with everyone else.
And I agree with that.
That's the point.
Is Australia, we've got to respect the people.
They're equal citizens.
Everyone under one flag.
Indigenous people have enjoy all the same rights as us here in Australia, as Australians.
And, you know, no one needs to go back to where they came from unless you don't like it here.
If you don't like it here, and if you hate what we stand for, Western free democratic values, then go back.
Like that guy, like that Somali, he should go back because Somalia was obviously so much better.
How brainwashed are these no-hoping left-wing lunatics, gutless, unwashed cowards?
Mate, it's pretty wild out there.
I'll be honest.
Probably five years ago, you know what?
Prior to October 7, it was probably 80% of people would walk up to me going, Avi, I love your work.
And people weren't as brazen to be so vile and to scream out hate as they were.
Now, it's probably 50-50.
Like, I'm getting a lot of people walking up to me on the side.
Avi, love you, what you're doing.
But the leftists, the jihadis, the brainwashed, the people, I've got a few more videos coming out this week from that same day.
People that have no clue are just, they're so confident in spewing their ignorant hate.
Qantas drops in-flight phrase amid backflip on woke activism.
This was obviously going to happen at some point.
People have had enough.
Let's see what the comments are.
Qantas Backflip Debate00:01:22
We've got Bruce as usual.
Since there is no landed acknowledgements in Europe, why do it in the Commonwealth countries?
Most folks are tired of all this woke Crapola, so stuff it, Qantas.
Here, here.
I hate Qantas indeed, Robert.
I think many people probably share your view.
And last but not least, we have Karmala crashes in, failed White House, hopeful lands, Aussie Real Estate Geeks.
She's coming to speak here in Australia, isn't it?
Would you go to an event in which, would you pay for an event?
Which Aussie's a paying to go see?
I think I might have to attend to find that out.
Let's see what, do we have any comments on this one?
We have Bruce Maycumla do just as well in May as she did in the US election.
Bruce, keep the comedy coming, mate.
And Bernard says falling upwards is what losers like her do.
And on that note, guys, thanks for tuning in tonight and keep those comments coming.