Sheila Gunn-Reid and former Army veteran Mark Meinke expose the Liberal Party’s decade-long neglect of Canada’s military, spending just 1% of GDP on defense while veterans face MAID coercion and bureaucratic failures, including a 12–16% success rate for PTSD talk therapy. Meinke, a peer support facilitator, details Veterans Affairs’ refusal to engage despite his global trauma recovery platform’s reach, and criticizes the 2006 Veterans Charter for leaving many abandoned. They warn against political tribalism, where left-wing media silence on attacks like Rebel News’ David Menzies contrasts with alleged hypocrisy in defending dissenters—highlighting figures such as Rosemary Barton and Jodi Wilson-Raybould—while conservatives like Pierre Poilievre face baseless smears for family values. The episode underscores how partisan loyalty overshadows veterans’ urgent needs, revealing a system prioritizing optics over care. [Automatically generated summary]
The Liberals in their campaign efforts have said that Conservatives have failed the Canadian Armed Forces.
I hope the Liberals figure out who's been in charge for the last 10 years.
I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed, and you're watching The Gunn Show.
And the first part of Canada Strong, it means an armed forces that are well-resourced and has those very resources at the ready.
And we're here, I'm here, to make that happen.
Our military is still underfunded.
Under the last Conservative government, when Pierre Polyev was a minister, that government was spending less than 1% of GDP on defence.
And Conservatives abandoned our armed forces and shamefully abandoned our veterans, closing area offices across Canada.
Since then, Canada has doubled down on our national shipbuilding strategy, which right here in Halifax is creating good-paying union jobs for Canadian workers.
You know, of all the groups I thought the Liberals would know well enough to not campaign on the backs of, it would be the veterans of this country.
The veterans of this country have been told by the Liberals over the course of the last 10 years that they are inconvenient, that they're asking for more than the Liberals are willing to give them.
You made the promise, and I'll quote it here.
No veteran will be forced to fight their own government for the support and compensation they have earned.
Yet you are still currently in a legal battle with veterans regarding equal support and compensation to their peers.
You have ISIL or ISIS members coming into a reintegration program.
You did a backdoor deal with Omar Qadar with not even stepping into the courtroom.
So again, my question is, what veterans were you talking about?
Was it the ones that fought for the freedoms and values that you so proudly boast about?
Or was it the ones who fought against?
Because honestly, Mr. Prime Minister, I was prepared to be injured in the line of duty when I joined the military.
Nobody forced me to join the military.
I was prepared to be killed in action.
What I wasn't prepared for, Mr. Prime Minister, is Canada turning its back on me.
So which veteran was it that you were talking about?
Why are we still fighting against certain veterans groups in court?
Because they are asking for more than we are able to give right now.
And they have been offered medical assistance in dying, told it's their civic and national duty to just drop dead instead of seeking care and help.
With respect to MAID, I have a letter in my file because I had to face that as well.
I have a letter saying that if you are so desperate, madam, we can offer you MAID medical assistance in dying.
This is Mark Meinke.
I'm an Army veteran who served with the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry.
In 1994, I served as a UN peacekeeper during the genocide in Croatia.
And for the record, it was not ethnic cleansing.
I hate that word.
It was a genocide.
Ethnic cleansing is a euphemism.
I was on rotation for Operation Harmony.
As a result of my service and numerous incidents that happened during my tour, I was injured with PTSD.
A fellow, a fellow veteran who runs Peer Support, put his hand on my shoulder and said, let's talk.
You should come off to Peer Support.
I'm like, no, it's not for me, man.
But he convinced me, and I went.
And it grew.
Then I became a peer support facilitator a year later.
The veteran, as a result of that, that this is all about, came to me directly and gave me two recordings that were said on Wednesday to not exist.
And they are in my possession and they're on my phone.
That caseworker did not inform him of services.
That caseworker not only offered made, it was unprompted, and it was pushed after two no's.
You'd think two no's would do it.
It did not.
I have here the transcript, which of course, I cannot get a hold of the veteran because he was so distraught he left the country.
From the government agency Veterans Affairs Canada that exists to help them.
And yet, Liberal leader Mark Carney making campaign statements that it is the conservatives who have failed Canada's veterans.
The Liberals had 10 years to fix the problems of the Canadian Armed Forces and the Veterans Administration.
They have not.
I think they've made it worse, but that's just my opinion on the outside looking in.
I thought I would call a veterans advocate and a veteran himself, Mark Meinke.
He's an Alberta-based, internationally renowned podcaster.
He's suffered trauma and now he fights to help people get over it or recover from it as best they can.
And he's got some things to say about how the liberals are campaigning on the backs of the Canadian Armed Forces.
Take a listen.
So joining me now is my friend and star of one of our documentaries, Made the Dark Side of Canadian Compassion, podcaster Mark Meinke.
Mark, before I get into all the things I want to talk to you about, tell us a little bit about your podcast because you are the number one podcast in the world for trauma recovery.
Tell us about it.
And importantly, how can people find you and support your work?
I think that's so important.
Well, thanks.
And thanks again for having me on.
Every time I get a little bit of extra exposure, there's a chance you might be saving a life because for a lot of people, my show is all they got.
And you got to meet people where they're at.
And if where they're at is my show, then perfect.
So the show basically started as an augmented peer support because when I started my healing journey in 2017, after going 23 years without being diagnosed after a war that I was in back in the 90s, I wanted to share that healing journey.
And it just grew and grew and it turned into advocacy, which I didn't see coming, but it just sort of happened.
And that's why I'm on here today, talking a little bit about advocacy, because when I became a center point of the veteran community, people just start coming to me and telling me their stories.
And that's how I found out about veterans being offered made.
And so the show covers that as well.
It's mostly an aggregate for resources, though.
So I find every resource I can for veterans healing and I bring it to the show.
I give them a platform.
And isn't it sad that somebody had to, like, nobody else thought of that?
Like, to me, that should be the job of Veterans Affairs Canada.
Should be looking around and compiling a list of every resource imaginable, but they don't.
And even though I'm in my sixth year of doing this, they've never given me a call.
I've invited them probably a dozen times to be a guest.
Nope, won't touch me.
It's the strangest thing.
I can get just about any conservative on the show.
The only one I haven't got yet is Polyev.
I got everybody else, including the active serving chief of defense staff when Wayne Ayer was in, and a former chief of defense staff, Rick Hillier.
So I get the guests, but I haven't got one member of the Liberal Party despite all of the invites.
I don't know why they don't like us.
I just don't get it.
It could have something to do with your Explosive Veterans Affairs Committee testimony, where you exposed the angels of death at Veterans Affairs for trying to, I think, clean up their wait lists and do as little work as possible for the exorbitant salaries that they get by offering Canadian veterans made instead of the help the Canadian government is required to give them.
You exposed Veterans Affairs for breaking the sacred covenant Canadians have with our veterans.
And the government is the sort of keeper of that covenant.
Canadians love and support our veterans, but you expose the government for not holding up their end of the bargain.
My name is Mark Meinke.
I'm an Army veteran who served with the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry.
In 1994, I served as a UN peacekeeper during the genocide in Croatia.
And for the record, it was not ethnic cleansing.
I hate that word.
It was a genocide.
Ethnic cleansing is a euphemism.
I was on rotation for Operation Harmony.
As a result of my service and numerous incidents that happened during my tour, I was injured with PTSD.
A fellow, a fellow veteran who runs Peer Support, put his hand on my shoulder and said, let's talk.
You should come off to Peer Sport.
I'm like, no, it's not for me, man.
But he convinced me, and I went and it grew.
Then I became a peer support facilitator a year later.
The veteran, as a result of that, that this is all about, came to me directly and gave me two recordings that were said on Wednesday to not exist.
And they are in my possession and they're on my phone.
Well, I think that has made me persona non grata with the liberals for sure.
And evidence of that is when I testified the next time.
And everybody, all the other witnesses had questions, but not me.
Blake Richards had a couple of questions for me, but everybody else pretended that I wasn't even there.
So I, yeah, they don't want to talk to me anymore because I'll tell you the truth.
I'll tell you what I've actually found.
And it's not good.
Why don't you go into a little bit about that?
Because one of the reasons I reached out to you was the liberals are now campaigning as the saviors of the Canadian Armed Forces and the helpers of our veterans.
So why don't, before we get into your opinions on that, why don't you tell us some of the things that you uncovered in your work advocating for veterans?
Well, first to I'm at a center point in the veteran community.
So because of that, I get all the crossfire.
And part of that crossfire just yesterday was former General Rick Hillier, the former chief of defense staff, commenting on Carney's wild claims that conservatives are bad for veterans and liberals are wonderful for veterans.
And the overall response has just been people doing backflips, going, What are you talking about?
That is the opposite of the truth.
Just uh, and to back up the clock a little bit, I was.
I served in the the Dark Decade in the 90s, where it was force reduction plan, so they were paying people to get out to retire early and they slashed the forces.
I forget what the um numbers were in the late 80s, but I think we had like 160 000 members of the military that's land, air and sea so super tiny and now I think we're at like 40 or 50 000.
Like it's just ridiculous.
We are so tiny and the barrier to entry is a bit silly as well.
My oldest boy is in the reserves.
But holy smokes to get in the reserves.
Uh, he started the process when he was 15 years old and uh, they made him say um kind of restart it, and so he couldn't even get it going until he was 16, because at 16 you're allowed to join.
But why can't you start the process early so that on your 16th birthday you can just hop on in?
Uh, just all the bureaucratic barriers to entry are ridiculous and right now he can't even get on his um trades course.
They don't know when the next one's going to run or how it's going to run, because there's no budget for it and this is our reserves that you have to support.
That's a big part of our military, but they're flailing.
Everybody that I talk to that's still serving the training budgets are absolutely ridiculous and it's always been that way and anybody that's been serving for 30, 35 years, like a lot of my friends, have that they'll tell you.
Every time the liberals get in and there's no budget, and conservatives get in, it gets better not great, but better.
So yeah, there's no liberal saviors when it comes to, when it comes to the veteran community, and certainly not the active service community, for goodness sakes.
Um, how many times did Trudeau skip Remembrance day ceremonies?
You know, I think he went to two out of nine, something like that.
You'd have to fact check that, but it seems about right to me.
Yeah, I mean, I think a lot of Canadians who at least know somebody who has been in the CAF or someone who's trying to join the CAF.
I mean there was a young man close to my family and he, he went to basic training uh, early this year and he would have been accepted much sooner if he had told them that he was gay.
Instead, he was just a young man who wanted to serve his country.
He, you know, he he met all the fitness requirements.
This is something that he has considered for years and years and years.
But he didn't check any woke diversity boxes, so he got sort of shuffled down the list over and over again.
And I want to ask you about that.
This emphasis on wokeness and the, the lowering of the recruitment standards uh, i'm not sure how that makes us more ready for deployment.
I got a some mixed feelings on it.
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So when I served in the 90s if, if a dude was gay, especially in the infantry, because that's, you know, that's the scary part of the million You're the professional killer.
So there was nobody that was out then.
But not that long ago, I met a fella that served in my regiment in the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry, and he was openly gay.
He was dating a friend of mine.
And I asked him about that.
So, like, how's that go?
You know, like, are you getting a rough ride?
Or he's like, no, everybody leaves me alone.
Nobody gives a shit.
You know, like, he behaves appropriately, nothing silly.
And he gets treated with respect.
You know, all anybody cares is, can you do your job?
Right.
Can you do your job?
And that's it.
So, and the big strapping dude, too.
I remember him.
But, yeah, so, I mean, that's only one story from one fella.
But to me, and from the people that I know, I don't know of any gay haters that are veterans.
I don't think I've even met one.
You know, it's quite the opposite.
Just you just don't care.
Do your job.
Are you a decent person?
Can I trust you in a firefight?
That's it.
That's all anybody cares.
But there's this perception of toxic masculinity, and I just don't get it.
I mean, my best guess, if I ever have a chance to talk to Jordan Peterson, I'll ask him to psychoanalyze it.
But it seems like the liberals are usually full of betas and they resent the alphas because they see somebody that they aren't, that they wish that they were, and they pretend to be, but they are not.
And the impression, especially with combat arms trades like the infantry, is, oh, these are, these are the alphas.
And I'm, no, I'm not an alpha, so I'll just call it toxic masculinity and resent it because I can't be it.
That's that's my best guess anyway, with my two years of college.
Yeah, I mean, that's, I think you're right.
I think there's a gross misunderstanding of the mindset of the men and women in the military.
That I think it's the soft bigotry of low expectations from the left saying, you know, like these guys in the military, they must, because they are so masculine, that they must hate the gays.
Instead, they just don't care.
They just don't care at all.
They just don't care.
That's what I think.
And I see it a lot of times because you sort of get that soft bigotry of low expectations directed at women too, from the liberals.
Like, we need their help to succeed.
We need them to protect us because we couldn't possibly take care of ourselves.
They need to draft gun policy to protect us, but their gun policy is just, you know, taking away firearms from me and my daughters.
It just, things get flipped on their head because they don't, I think the left doesn't really talk to us, so they don't really understand us.
Best way to protect women is to give them gun rights.
Thank you.
Pretty simple.
I mean, Sheila, you're in awfully good shape.
I had you on the arm wrestling table.
I know you're strong, but I'm sorry, darling.
You don't have a chance against me in a fist fight.
Exactly.
But with a gun, that's the great equalizer.
And then I don't have a chance of hurting you.
So women should be promoted to be able to conceal carry.
And I know that would make most Canadians' heads explode, but I believe that.
Not mine.
It makes sense to me.
When I go to the United States, especially those states that border Alberta, and you see people with a pistol on their hip at the grocery store.
Beautiful.
I love it.
The sparkly belt that I would wear.
So because I had a pistol on my hip, I would be a sparkly belt too.
Yeah, I'm tired of keeping my cell phone in my concealed carry pouch of my purse.
Now, I want to talk to you about statements of Mark Carney as we were recording this on Friday morning earlier this week about how conservatives have failed veterans and liberals are the ones to really help veterans in the Canadian Armed Forces.
I hope he finds out who's been in charge the last nine or 10 years so that he can talk to them about how I think.
And I mean, I'm just an outsider looking in how I truly believe that the Liberals have failed our veterans from offering them euthanasia instead of help to telling them that they're asking for more than they can give to failing to address the issues of recruitment and then retention.
I think my gross misunderstanding of the kind of people who want to join our military and just the idea that we have people who are living on our military basis who are accessing food banks.
There are serious problems with the Canadian Armed Forces, with how Canada treats our veterans, and the Liberals had 10 years to fix it.
If we go back to 2006, that's when the Veterans Charter flipped and the pension for life disappeared.
So anybody that was injured before that, like my friend Tommy Anderson and that had his legs blown off on our tour, he was covered for life, guaranteed no worries financially.
But after 2006, not so much.
Now they've got a couple of programs that are kind of replacing it, but it's not clear-cut and you've got to fight tooth and nail to get it.
But right now, if you get your legs blown off, there's some gray area on how that's going to be handled.
And most veterans, they're going to be feeling abandoned because of what happened in 2006.
And that was bilateral.
That was everybody.
So everybody piled on with somehow the help of the Royal Canadian Legion, which absolutely is not our voice, should never be considered our voice.
They have no idea what the veteran community is, except for with a few exceptions.
I know some great ones.
But all in all, the Legion is not what they were 80 years ago and has no place speaking on our behalf, none whatsoever.
But they all got together and scrapped the Veterans Charter in 2006.
So that's where most people are going to say, no, you're not the savior.
Everybody, everybody failed with that.
Now, in the last 10 years, there are programs that are available, which are good, but try to access them.
That's the challenge, the bureaucratic nightmare.
My wife is a former school principal and a university professor.
She can't get through the mess, and she's good at that stuff.
There's no veterans, almost no veterans, that can access the programs that they are entitled to and that they need without help.
So we have service officers, and that's where the Legions do well, where there's people that know the system, where the goalposts are constantly moving, and the names of the programs are always shuffled.
They're always shuffling the deck chairs.
And you just, you don't know, okay, well, that program was called one thing last week, a different thing this week, and the criteria to apply for it has changed.
It's impossible.
Almost nobody can do it without help.
And that is predatory.
Creating barriers to entry, bureaucratic barriers to entry for life-saving treatment is predatory.
And people are dying because of it.
I know of several that haven't even bothered.
Edge of Despair00:04:08
A friend of mine, just a couple weeks ago, we were chatting.
I served with him.
We were in Croatia together.
And he was blown up by a grenade way back in 91.
And the shrapnel is still in there.
And now he's looking at his foot might have to be amputated.
And they haven't helped him the whole time.
You know, it's like, well, we're not sure that's service related.
It's grenade shrapnel.
What are you talking about?
I didn't get this at Walmart.
And so now he might be losing a foot because since 1991, there's been no follow-up, no correct treatment.
And he has nowhere, he has no idea where to go or what to do and how to deal with it.
I'm like, dude, I'm the subject matter expert.
Call me.
I'll help you.
But we need to help each other because you can't wait for VAC.
That's why my entire show exists because Veterans Affairs isn't putting together a list of service providers.
It doesn't exist other than my show.
Well, why was that up to me?
But, you know, you can't wait for the government to save you.
You got to step up yourself and just do it.
So I did.
You know, and I'm so glad you did because I know you help many, many people in the veterans space, but it's not just the veteran space.
Your show also focuses on trauma recovery in general.
And I think you do it in a very raw way, in an honest way.
And I think a lot of people are very grateful for that because you're very open.
And I know you were very open with me in our documentary about what happened to you and what drove you to be an advocate for veterans and to really be someone who fights against medical assistance and dying being offered to our veterans because you found yourself in that headspace one day.
I was at the edge.
I attempted suicide in 2021.
I had what some would call a psychotic break.
Others would say a disassociative episode.
And my brain wasn't working.
And I didn't think that I was trying to end my life.
I just thought, oh, this will be an interesting sensation.
It'd be kind of like getting a tattoo opening up my wrist.
And whoa, what a nice sleep and how relaxing this will be.
My brain was not working.
I was in overload.
And it was Veterans Affairs that put me there more than anything else because I felt like I was getting closer and closer to the edge.
But the only resources that were offered to me were through the OSI clinic.
It's operational stress injury clinic.
And the therapist that I had, when I told her that I was worried that I might do this, because you know, she says, no, you won't.
You're fine.
If you haven't done it yet, you won't do it.
And not great advice.
Oh, yeah.
And the knife that you would envision using, just hide it.
That's what she said.
And so I fired her.
Two weeks later, I thought about it.
I didn't react.
I responded.
I waited two weeks to sort of stew on that advice.
And before I realized, oh my gosh, you know, that was really not helpful.
And matter of fact, that was pretty damaging because when I was, I knew I was getting close to the edge and I needed help.
The one place I went for help didn't help.
It was almost like she was daring me, like she's trying to push me off the edge.
And three months after that phone call, I did snap and I attempted to take my life.
So that sucks.
And telling my wife that after the fact, when I survived it, and telling my children, not good.
And that didn't land very well.
And now they're always kind of got an eye on me, even though I'm okay now.
But the place I went for help didn't help.
They hurt.
And that's called sanctuary trauma, where the people you're supposed to be able to trust to help you hurt you.
And it's one of the most brutal things to get over and get through.
So that's been my experience with Veterans Affairs and using the system.
And just to throw it in there, I'm not discouraging talk therapy, not at all.
Sanctuary Trauma00:04:50
Like it's better than nothing.
But the effective rate, and these are numbers right from our own OSI clinics, and it's also throughout the American military, 12 to 16% effective.
12 to 16%.
That's it.
Now, what they call effective, who knows?
But 12 to 16% is all Veterans Affairs offers me.
That's why my show exists, because there's got to be a better mousetrap than that.
And there is.
I've found dozens of them and I bring them to the show so people can decide and choose like a Chinese menu.
Like, what do you want?
It's all there.
And I think it's great.
I know people who are friends of mine who are veterans who, I mean, you're the number one trauma recovery podcast in the world.
So it's no surprise to you that people I know regularly listen to your show.
And I'm just so grateful for it.
And I know they are too.
Before I let you go, because I could keep you all day.
You know that.
I want to talk to you about, you know, we touched on the liberals a little bit in their campaigning on the backs of helping the veterans.
But, you know, the polls show right now that the huge lead for the conservatives has vaporized and actually shows the Mark Carney liberals in the lead.
I want to get your thoughts on that.
I'm not sure the polls are accurate, given that we just saw, you know, the polls get the American election completely wrong.
But I just want to get your sense on this because we were talking about it before we started recording.
And I thought, you know, that's a great conversation for us to have recorded.
So tell me what you think.
Well, it seems just like the U.S. election to me.
I'm calling him Kamala Carney.
Every time he opens his mouth, it's just mumbling and fumbling.
And he doesn't know what he believes.
He's just trying to figure out what he should say that might play well.
The guy is, to me, just inauthentic.
And I'm not getting any good vibes off him.
He says one thing on one day.
Two days later, in Quebec, he says exactly the opposite thing and equally strong.
So, I mean, he's just not honest.
And the media is covering form, and it's just like Kamala Harris.
It's the same.
The polls had her, oh, it's a close race.
It's neck and neck.
I don't think so.
I mean, you look at the Polyev rallies and they're packed, and they have been for three years.
He was doing rallies back when you just started in leadership, and the places were packed as that one in Calgary, a huge venue at, I think, Spruce Meadows, and it was packed.
Adam Soas was there.
How can you have packed venues, large venues on one side, empty rooms on the other, and yet they're ahead?
There's no actual enthusiasm for it.
It's CBC and CTV depend on taxpayer dollars.
So this is their final gasp because they know full well that Pierre's going to keep his promise and he's going to force them to move out of the basement and go on their own.
You know, they're not going to rely anymore on the government to survive.
And if you have to rely on the government to survive, you're not a viable business.
Your business as broadcasters is to get and keep eyeballs.
And people think they can do that nowadays through being sensational or making people angry or scared.
And yeah, to a degree, that works.
But what people are dying for, why my show is successful, why your show is successful, people want to trust.
They want authenticity.
That is what they want.
And people are just seeing through it now.
They know that they're being lied to.
I haven't turned on, I used to love CBC.
I remember when I was a kid, I wanted to have a CBC shirt, you know, because it just made me feel more Canadian and Canadiana.
And I used to love David Suzuki.
I thought he was the best.
And now I'm thinking, oh my God, you know, where are you now?
Like, where's the cool guy from the nature of things now?
Where's CBC now?
It's dead.
It's dead and buried.
And that nostalgia is all I got left for the warm, fuzzy feelings of Canadiana that I used to have for the CBC that's gone because they just cannot tell the truth.
They can't do it.
And now that they're in their death rows, they're pulling out all the stops.
And that's all it is.
So all we're listening to is propaganda.
CBC's Propaganda Problem00:08:23
It's funny.
You'll hear CBC LAM-based RT, Russian television.
Oh, that's Russian propaganda.
And how are you not Canadian propaganda?
It's the same thing.
RT, CBC, same thing, different country.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, I'm so glad you made that point.
Because yeah, you'll frequently see them saying, well, our RT, that's the Russian state broadcaster.
And it's like, you're the Canadian state broadcaster.
You guys know.
You guys know where you get your money?
Actually, sometimes I think they don't or they forget or they take for granted that they are the Canadian state broadcaster.
And so they have a mandate to be, as you say, authentic.
And speaking of inauthenticity, I do get that vibe from Mark Carney.
And you can see it in his treatment of even the slightest of a prickly question from the mainstream media.
He loses his school.
He snaps because I don't think he's ever been in a job where he's been fact-checked before.
And now this morning, we're recording this Friday, allegations of plagiarism against him for his master's thesis.
So his whole life.
Well, that's just Russian disinformation, don't you know?
Right.
Yeah, Putin cooked that one up.
Yeah, yeah.
His whole life is built on never being fact-checked.
And so it shows up now in his treatment of the media.
Well, it's kind of dangerous.
Like Trudeau was known for screaming at women a lot, women that worked for him.
And a couple of them have been brave enough to come forward and say, yeah, like I was terrified of the guy.
He's just screaming at me because he just couldn't stand a strong woman.
But Carney's even worse because Trudeau, he had the ability, if nothing else, he had the ability to put on a fake smile for the camera.
And he could take a beating in public.
And he did all the time.
Our friend, Brock Blasczek, when he asked him, when he told him, you're asking for more than what we can give right now.
I mean, Trudeau actually handled that as well as anybody could.
And he goes places and people are screaming at him and spitting at him.
And he handles it like an adult, actually.
It's kind of impressive.
But that's not Kearney.
Carney cannot take a Rosemary Barton.
Is there a human being on earth that is more friendly to the Liberal Party than Rosemary Barton?
And he just talons out, claws out, attack, and the entire machine got behind, let's attack Rosemary Barton.
I tell you, they will eat their own.
I'm complying with the rules in advance.
Point for now.
Yes.
It's very difficult to believe.
Look inside yourself, Rosemary.
I mean, you start from a prior of conflict and ill will.
I have served in the private sector.
I have stood up for Canada.
I have left my roles in the private sector at a time of crisis for our country.
I'm complying with all the rules.
Your line of questioning is trying to invent new rules.
I'm complying with the rules that Parliament has laid out and the responsibilities.
Ethics, Commissioner.
And I will continue to comply with those rules.
If you step out of line one little bit, they will eat their own.
And Rosemary Barton is the perfect example.
God, I mean, she couldn't be more liberal bias, and it's still not enough.
Just a little bit of pushback from Rosemary, and the whole machine came down on top of her.
Unbelievable.
Yeah, and it was funny to see the liberal tribalists go after her as though she doesn't have an entire career of polishing liberal turds.
I mean, she's the woman who took the selfie with Justin Trudeau.
But for them, all of a sudden, she was a conservative plant.
That's how tribalist some of these liberal supporters are.
It's insanity.
And I think what we just uncovered here is the biggest difference between the left and the right.
We don't eat our own.
Here we are defending Rosemary Barton of all people.
And we're defending her, right?
Or, oh, God, Indian in the cabinet.
What's her name?
Oh, Jodi Wilson-Raybold.
Yeah.
And we defend Jodi Wilson-Raybold and Jane Philpott.
These are not people that are on our team.
And we defend them.
I was like, you know what, Thomas Mocare, you're making a lot of sense these days.
Yeah, he sounds reasonable.
Right.
You know, and so we will cheer you on if you're on.
We will cheer you on if we think you're right.
Or if we think you're wrong, but we can see that you're being mistreated.
Right.
Right.
You know, we still think you're wrong, but we can see that you're being mistreated, and that's not right.
That's not okay.
So we will defend people on the other side, whereas people on the other side would just rather see us drown.
It wouldn't cross the street to pee on us if we were on fire.
And that's the difference between the two sides.
Yeah.
You know, that's such a good point.
You know, I see this all the time with the mistreatment of our rebel news journalists.
People who complain about mean tweets directed at CBC journalists are completely silent when they see David Menzies get arrested or roughed up on the street because they just can't see past their political tribalism to see what's right and what's wrong.
And I hope I'm never like that.
I just did a little monologue that I shared on Instagram talking about how important it is to not pick a team and stick to it no matter what.
I have voted, hell, I think I voted Green Party one year on a lark.
You know, I was an actual member of the NDP when Jack Layton was in charge because I kind of liked Jack.
I found out later how corrupt he was, rest in peace.
But at the time, he's the only one that made any damn sense to me at the debates.
So I voted orange.
I even had a party membership.
Pretty sure I voted for Cre Chen way, way, way back.
And that was a mistake.
Look, he sprang a hippie.
I'll always love him for that.
The Schwinnigan handshake.
I will always love him for that.
Didn't his wife club a burglar over the head with a lamp?
Like, fantastic.
You know, so I'll always love him for that.
But the point is, is that if you are a liberal for life or you are a conservative for life or in anything for life, if your party goes crazy, you're going crazy with them.
Right.
You know, like call balls and strikes and don't be just brain dead following your team no matter what.
Because teams change.
Leaders change.
Ideologies change and they have.
These are not the liberals.
These are not the creation liberals.
You know, not at all.
There's something else entirely.
I'll give you my own example of this.
Actually, I have two.
Danielle Smith, when she crossed the floor when she was with the Wild Rose, I was the most vicious person you could find against her.
That one hurt.
Yeah, I found what she did was an absolute betrayal of the grassroots.
And she figured that out for herself too.
Now, what a story of redemption.
Because, and a lot of people who were vicious like me to her, they are her biggest supporters right now.
She's forgiven.
Jason Kenney came in the other direction, came in as someone who's going to, you know, fight back against federal government overreach and advocate for rights and religious freedom and our charter values.
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And then when he was tested during COVID, he completely failed.
And people who were like, yep, I like Jason Kenney, became his biggest critics, me included.
So I think it's important that you don't park your values somewhere and keep them with you, but don't put all your trust in kings.
Hypocrisy killed Kenny.
Oh, yes.
Hypocrisy killed Kenny.
I'm trying to do a South Park reference there, but yeah, it was unbelievable.
He's so strong.
Mandates can't do that.
I don't even think that's legal.
Two weeks later, mandates.
Yeah.
What even is a vaccine passport?
Oh, here's your vaccine passport.
We're just calling it something different like 10 days later.
Well, somebody must have got to him.
I mean, that's such a crazy flip-flop.
Doug Ford did the exact same thing, like a wild 180.
And somebody had a chit-chat with them.
What was the leverage?
I don't know, but there was leverage.
There always is.
We don't know everything, I guess.
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It's from regular viewer, regular Rebel News super supporter Bruce Acheson, who is in beautiful Radway, Alberta, just about an hour and a bit north of the capital city.
And Bruce says, Hi, Sheila.
Oh, I should tell you, this is on last week's show with my friend Robbie Picard from Oil Sand Strong and Oil and Gas World magazine talking about the liberals' sudden come to Jesus moment on pipelines, as if they support pipelines after 10 years plus of doing their best to kill them.
And how the liberals have failed Indigenous people.
Let's hear what Bruce has to say.
Robbie really hit the proverbial home run tonight.
Carney is an Ursatz prime minister with no mandate from the people.
If the lying liberals do get in, mainly through Ontario and Quebec's fools voting for them, I'd be happy to become an American.
I think a lot of Albertans feel that way.
A lot of Albertans might be shy to say it, but I think a lot of them do.
For too long, we've been dominated by folks living along the St. Lawrence sewer way.
I'm praying with all my might that Pierre Polyev wins.
That's a good tip, too, about conservative politicians showing their human side.
That's one thing that Robbie tries to do is he tries to humanize the right.
We're painted as robotic villains by the in touch with their feelings, liberal left, and not just conservative politicians, but conservative people in general.
The media has a bizarre perception about us.
We're very family-oriented by and large.
We like kids and we're warm people, but you wouldn't know that if you got your news from the mainstream media.
And so Robbie tries to do a bit of undoing of that sentiment through Oil and Gas World magazine.
I've been in Oil and Gas World magazine.
This month, it's conservative MP from Lakeland, Shannon Stubbs, who is lovely.
Pierre already does that.
And I hope Shannon Stubbs will do the same.
Yours with Delta the Cat, Bruce Acheson.
Yeah, I saw some really sweet photos of Pierre Polyev on the campaign trail with his little ones.
Both, I think, was on a train and then at a campaign event.
And he had his little one on his shoulders.
And the comments from the left were absolutely deranged.
They were terrible.
They were saying stuff like, you know, this is not a, the campaign trail is not a place for children.
Really?
If Polyev is campaigning on being in touch with the issues that face young families in Canada, like public safety, the cost of living, affordability, immigration, taxes, then it is nice to see him with his young family.
And only a crazy person looks at a father being playful and engaged with his young children and sees something wrong.
As I said on X, it's like a Rorschach test for psychopathy.
If you look at a father enjoying spending time, as much time as he possibly can with his young children and see something wrong, oh, there's something wrong, but it's inside of you.
Okay, well, everybody, that's the show for tonight.
Thank you so much for tuning in.
I'll see everybody back here in the same time, in the same place next week.