Avi Yemini and Nas Daily revisit their 2023 WEF clash, where Nas’s criticism of Rebel News sparked backlash, and now Nas joins The Yamini Report to discuss his evolving views. Post-October 7, Nas notes global Israeli flag support but critiques its lack of Palestinian flag reciprocity amid decades of occupation, while sharing his harrowing experience being mistaken for a Hamas threat in Israel. Yemini praises Nas’s consistency—like refusing to back down despite mob pressure—while debating Zionism vs. radical Islam, citing Assad’s role in fueling extremism. Both defend truth over virtue signaling, dismissing lazy labels like "apartheid" and "genocide," and highlight the UAE’s Abraham Accords as a model for peace. [Automatically generated summary]
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That led to a heated debate in Dubai on everything from climate change to COVID-19.
The public backlash seemed to rattle him.
And at WEF 2023, Nasiah interrupted my interview with Luxembourg's prime minister before turning on my boss.
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Welcome to the show to a guest that I don't think many of my viewers need an introduction to.
Or like.
Yeah, maybe not, but maybe after this they will.
You know what?
You've grown on me and we're going to get to there in a minute.
I'm scared.
I'm scared to call you Naz or Nasiah because I got into a lot of trouble in past interactions or miscall.
What do you call yourself these days?
Well, Nasiah is my first name.
And the minute you're successful enough, people call you by your last name.
So wait, Nazi reports.
Congratulations.
So wait, Naz is your last name.
No, no, Nazis is just NAS means people in Arabic.
It's the conversation.
I know, Naz.
And you know what?
We had this conversation because you, because remember in the debate, you kept saying, no, I'm Nasiah.
Use my real name.
And it threw me.
It threw me all the time.
And I was like, I'm sure I didn't make this up.
I'm sure, like, I thought, oh, maybe I was just being lazy and I was reading his, because it's Naz Daily and everybody calls you Naz Daly because that's the name that you go by online.
And then I'm like, I went back and I looked at some of your original videos and you're like, hi, it's Nazi.
I'm like, hold on, this guy.
Okay, Avi, do you think people are allowed to change?
No, they're allowed.
100%.
100%.
No, 100%.
I'm somebody that prides myself in changing.
But I just want to say it wasn't so bad that I got it wrong when I actually got it from you and not only from being lazy in reading.
That's fair.
But let the record show, because this is all recorded, is that I told you to call me Nasiah 20 times.
And you still called me.
You did tell me a few times.
And I do have these weird things with names.
And it wasn't personal.
I wasn't saying it to annoy you.
I actually have this thing like sometimes I struggle if I don't.
It's not a name that I'm used to.
I struggle to pronounce it.
And then I'm like, I get into my own head as to, oh my God, this is going to sound so weird that I can't pronounce this guy's name.
So it wasn't you.
It wasn't a tactic to throw you.
I felt like the tactic was to throw me to keep correcting me.
Anyways, I, this morning, can I, can I, can I mention something?
You and I right now look so crazy similar.
The hair is curly.
It's the same as yours, the same facial hair.
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And we're using this space right here to send a message to the world.
Mine is about living life and your is about rebel, being a rebel.
So it is very interesting how we're both, it's like, it's too, it's too similar.
Anyway, keep going.
Is it freaking you out?
It's a bit freaking me out.
It's concerning you.
Well, the funny thing is this morning, in the morning meeting at Rebel, I said to him, so for the podcast, I'm actually, I've got NAS Daily on for the podcast and everybody cracked up laughing.
You're like, what?
How did this happen?
Because nobody knows that we've been, you know, talking privately for the last, I don't know, I've got to look back at it, but it's been probably the last.
And we like each other's tweets, weirdly enough.
What the hell happened to the world?
Well, there we go.
So it started private and then it's moved into a public space, but I don't want that I don't think people necessarily have realized yet because I haven't really gotten into trouble for liking anything of yours yet.
This podcast might change things.
But I guess let's just go over the, you know, where we first met and how we got to a place that I think now, I know in the past I've confused the way I've read our relationship, but I think now we're one of mutual respect and understanding and agreeing to disagree on political issues, but seeing that we're actually not each other's enemy.
And correct me if you think I'm that's accurate.
So we first met in 2021.
It was, I think, the first WEF after COVID.
So it actually was the one in the summer.
Yes.
You were innocently walking down the street towards the Congress.
Minding my own business.
Minding your own business, but you were at the World Economic Forum, so you probably were minding all of our businesses as well.
And I did what I do, and I...
Tell us, be more descriptive.
What did you do?
What was the idea?
My audience knows what I do.
I walk up to people and I challenge their ideas.
Uninvited.
Got it.
Uninvited.
Well, that's the definition of journalism.
So doorstepping is a journalistic tactic that often those that are approached don't enjoy.
I get that.
Now we had a bit of a thing.
You put out one version of the video that I think I felt was a little bit unfairly cut.
I put one.
Anyways, I challenged you to a debate.
You agreed.
To my shock, you agreed, which I gave you credit for at the time.
And I came to Dubai.
But you betrayed me.
You betrayed me in that debate.
This is what I remember.
You betrayed me.
We'll get to it.
We'll get to the betrayal.
And I came to Dubai.
We did the debate.
I won the debate.
Is this the part you're disagreeing about?
I mean, it's like Biden saying, you know, he won the debate with Trump.
It's like, yes, he won the debate.
So I'm the Biden in this situation.
I mean, I'm younger.
Do you know what's funny is that back then, probably if we used that analogy of Biden and Trump, you would have wanted to be the Biden and you would have been happy for me to be the Trump.
How things have changed.
But you know what?
People can go watch.
We actually do still, you know, after we left all that and it all came out, I actually, or Rebel bought the URL nasdebates.com so that we can.
Oh, yes, you did.
We have thenazdebates.com, which is your shtick.
And that's where people can actually go watch either the little clips or the entire, I think it was like two hours.
Motherfucker.
Why do you think?
Why do you think?
Why do you say that I, what did you say?
I, I, what did I do to you?
That's.
Oh, well, okay, first of all, number one, that is insane.
That NASDABAS goes to rebel.news.com slash tag slash NASDAI.
How NASDAQ is.
Does it come up?
Does it come up?
Wait, hold on.
Does it?
It might have been not changed to the new website, nasdebates.com.
Does it actually show up?
Because if not, we better get this fixed.
No, I don't.
Is that it?
Abby many distractions.
Oh, full debate.
Full debate.
Yeah, yeah, you got it here.
But there's one here where you can watch.
Watch...
No... No...
Look, just promise me that...
This is not okay.
I'm going to make sure that when this goes up, I'm going to make sure when this goes up on Tuesday that the this is not right because they've changed the website since then.
So it should have like the full unedited debate should be there.
No, no.
Got it.
Did you think I didn't put that up?
No, no, no.
I just went to NASDAQ.
Now, no, no, I think you put that up.
No, I'll tell you what happened.
I mean, this is like because what did you say?
What did you say to me?
You said that I can't remember what you said a minute ago that I betrayed you.
I betrayed you.
I want to know how I betrayed you.
Well, no, it's just of all there's nothing to hide.
Like it's, it's completely fine.
But, but, but you were like secretly recording 24-7 in your time in Dubai.
And it's like, what the heck?
Like, who does that?
It was like, you walked into the studio with like full five cameras, like all recordings.
Like, bro, you're not entering a war zone.
And it's just like, so people were, people were seeing like my conversations with my team.
And it's like, nothing to hide.
It's fine.
If there's some crazy shit, like, I'd be cancelled by now.
But it was like really funny how like it's imagine if I now have like five other cameras on me.
And, but I was like, wait.
And then you started showcasing my interactions with my ex-girlfriend back then.
We're like, yeah, boyfriends and girlfriends, you know, they fight.
That was like a six-year relationship.
So I was like, wow, this is like completely unnecessary, but funny.
That's classic, classic Rebel.
Okay, it's classic.
Look, I hear what you're saying, although I would argue my defense.
I don't remember clearly.
It is a few years ago now, but I do think that it was in the context of putting the whole two hours because she came in in middle and there was a bit of a conversation and she told.
And then, so that was the context of it.
But look, when this goes to live, it will be on this page so people can watch it.
I think it's, I, I, you know what?
It's funny and it's funnier now in the context of we've come right around because what happened after that, I thought we were okay.
But this is why I think that why I said that things, like I guess I was a bit more delusional then because I think after it, I felt like, oh, look, I felt like I won the debate.
I feel like the internet told me even on your videos when you published them that I won the debate.
But when I saw you the next year at the World Economic Forum, you were not very happy to see me.
I think the first time you engaged with me was when I was trying to talk to the Prime Minister of what's proud of Luxembourg.
Luxembourg, they're one of the richest countries.
I just did what you did to me.
I showed up uninvited, interrupted whatever you were doing, and I was just like having fun.
So I did the same thing to you.
You were definitely having fun, but you didn't do what I do because what I do is I interrupt and engage.
You interrupted just to destroy.
Can we admit that?
Of course, but I don't think you interrupted me to build up.
I think you interrupted me.
I didn't say to build.
I didn't say to build up, to engage.
Come on, with all the faults, even back then that you could say, with all the faults that you view me, you saw in me, you can't say that I don't engage.
I'm willing to engage.
No, no, you engage, for sure, for sure.
Look, I thought it was really funny.
First of all, I'm so proud of that moment.
And I was so shocked that your audience was like, oh my God, that's so offensive.
How can dare he interrupt other people?
But that's not what people were saying in the business.
And it's like, wait, that's the whole rebel news concept, interrupting people.
It's like, I did what you do to others.
So I was so shocked that that was not.
It's like, wait a minute, this is what you do to others.
So somebody should do it to you.
I was so proud of that moment.
I thought that was my peak in life.
I hope it's not your peak in life.
And I feel like I've witnessed some moments since then that I would say rate a lot higher than that moment.
And the reason why I don't think it's the same is because you came in, you disrupted.
And then I go, okay, you know what?
He wants to talk.
I'll go back to NAS.
And I was like still a bit trying to work out where we were because I didn't realize that there was this whole thing that happened with you that you didn't really like me anymore.
So I came to engage and then you ran back in and you wouldn't talk to me.
And then you came back out and you had to go at my at my boss.
Your boss.
Is he still your boss?
He's still my boss.
Wow, that's great.
Does he hate me?
No, he was laughing this morning in the meeting that we're doing this interview.
He thought you were unhinged at the time because it was like, what?
Because like all the allegations you were throwing at him about my personal life, it's like, number one, it was never a secret.
You would have known all that when I came.
Two, they were just irrelevant and obvious, just personal attacks to try.
I guess the reason why, why would you, why am I guessing?
Why would you say that to my boss?
Okay, this turned from, this turned from like, hey, let's go.
No, no, no, no, I think we move on in a second.
I just want to know, I'm not, it's not actually.
I'll tell you why.
I'll tell you why.
So it says, so here's, so something I do, but something I need to improve on is I usually cannot separate the message from the messenger, which is like almost like separating the art from the artist.
It's like, okay, if somebody is living their life in a way I don't agree with, whatever message they say, I also don't agree with it.
And so this is why I'm like, okay, like, okay, this guy is trying to tell me how to live the world.
Let me look at this guy's life.
And also, especially it came after you were attacking me about how I was talking to my ex-girlfriend back then, because it was in the secret recording.
So I was like, wow, this is a good idea.
I don't think I attacked the way you talked to her.
Maybe I did.
It was like his girlfriend coaches him on how to say things.
And I was like, wait, that's just like, so I was like, oh, but I don't think I was attacking like your relationship.
Anyways, it doesn't matter.
All good.
But something I want to improve on is how to separate the message from the messenger.
So it doesn't matter what I think of the people.
It's like, yeah, the person, like, let me look at the message.
Do I like it?
Do I not like it?
And so this is why I was very frustrated.
That is hard to do.
That's hard to do on a good day.
Like, I know I struggle with that sometimes, especially now, because I look at people where I, not about necessarily their personal lives.
And in my one, in that case, I feel like, I feel like it didn't, it was not that you didn't like my lifestyle.
Like you're picking points that are easy for people to jump on board in hating me because on the face of it, it's very easy.
Like, it's very easy.
If you, if you, um, if if you tell me like this guy and you say some of the things that are said about me and you and you tell me, oh, this guy is this, he's done that without any, any, any explanation.
Like, it's really easy to go.
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I would hate that guy.
You know what I mean?
Like, it's, and, and it's, it's character assassination.
Like, I get it all the time.
You're like, I go to like, you want to know something?
I know the business you're in.
You want to know something funny?
Is I go, like, I've been covering protests for years, right?
Rocking up to protests.
Some protests that, you know, I'm sympathetic to the cause, so I'm generally welcomed.
And then other protests where I'm obviously not sympathetic to the cause.
So whether it's like left-wing stuff or more lately, um, pro-Palestinian stuff.
So I rock up there, and you will not believe how many people at these protests in Australia that come to that they have to go to every protest ready because I don't go to every protest.
I just go to ones that kind of fit what like suit me time or whatever.
And because there's so many, you know, anti-Israel protests, I'm just not going to go to, they're just repetitive, right?
But I'll go, I'll just rock up.
I'll just rock up to one randomly.
And then you'll have five guys around me that have like chopping boards in their bag with Avi is a wife basher because like they're prepared.
They're like prepared for it because they know that this is the one thing.
You know, before they had that story, that whatever, like my audience knows the truth about it, but or people that have read my book know the truth about it.
But before they had that, you know what they used to call me?
Before they had that, because that's, that was in 2000.
I played guilty to that in 2019.
So you're talking about.
So do you feel like that is the one thing you cannot defend yourself against?
No, I think I can convince.
I can't, I can defend myself.
That's why my book, like when you read my actual story, I've never in my life hit a woman.
I would never hit a woman.
That's just not true.
I pled to a crime that I didn't commit because it was the only way.
So we're going off topic.
The reason why is that you would, no, but I think it's important.
And if you, I don't know, if you know the truth, like in Australia, so you can't get custody back of your kids if you have open domestic violence cases.
It's kind of, it's a formula women use here.
Not all women, but like a lot of women use that when there's a relationship breakdown.
And I'd been in a new relationship.
And so the, and the court can't do anything because the court just goes, all right, you've got an open domestic violence case.
They can't see any of the details, whether it's a serious one, whether it's whatever.
They go, while you have that, you can't, you know, we can't give you your, they're not going to give you your kids, right?
And I have to be careful what I say.
So I'm not going to say that that was me, but I'm just saying that's the formula that women use.
So you have a cat, you have an option to plead guilty to, and in my case, it was a summary offense.
It's the lowest offense there is for throwing a chopping board, not even at her, that hit her.
And if I pled guilty to that, then that closes that case and I can get, I can go for my kids.
So that's like, so when you tell me somebody's a woman basher, to me, I hate that person because, you know, there's almost nothing worse than a woman basher.
And it hurts because like it's a very tough thing to have to just cop and cop and copy.
Like I've gotten used to it since 2019.
But before that, you know what they used to say to me?
They used to call me a Nazi.
And it was funny because I would rock up to protest just not, I'm not that like I don't not religious, but I would wear a kipper just so I caught on camera them chanting, get the Nazi out of here while I have a kipper on my head.
Like the optics of it was funny.
Anyway.
Wow, that's so interesting.
So.
Well, hey, I look, it's weird me saying this, but I believe everybody gets second chances.
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And if marriages don't work out, you should be able to have a second marriage and a third marriage.
I have a second marriage.
Hopefully it's my last marriage.
Yes.
And I'm sorry you had to go through what, 16 years of that because there's nothing you can do to defend.
I kind of related this in a much lower extent, like with the Sam Bankman Freed thing.
It's like it was impossible to know at the time of making that video.
It was impossible to know.
But you know what?
That was a gift that you just you gave to me.
It's one of those things where like, wait, given the information I have now, there's no other thing I could have done looking back at history.
So you're stuck with that label for years to come, but hopefully you can escape that label and well, I think with the Sam Bankman Freeman thing, it was it's it's it's when you do your content, it feels like you're fully promoting and endorsing.
I build up people.
Yeah, that's the thing, dude.
I build up people.
Have you changed that style since all that happened?
So I want to get your opinion on this.
Okay.
Like I'm seriously curious.
99% of Nast Data videos is build up people.
It's like I never go.
The only time I just wanted to put down people was you.
It didn't work out.
Because it didn't work out.
Look, now I'm building you up.
Because what is the point of?
Hey, you deserve a second chance.
You're not a white meter.
I hope my team is not listening to this.
So have you ever seen like that?
The point of NASDAQ is to freaking lift people up.
So I don't make videos.
I'm not rebel news.
So I felt like I was attacked for like going and building up somebody who on paper at the time was actually impressive.
I know.
Hindsight's funny.
And that's, I guess, what the criticism.
Let's put aside the fact that it was like a free kick you gave me because it was right after.
I think it was right as it happened like right after the publishing of the debate.
And I was like, this dude, this is the guy telling me that I'm dangerous.
My words are dangerous because so many millions of people follow what you say and would have invested in that.
And so that's why I say, like, I understand.
I get your content has always been about, forget about building people up.
It's about positivity.
You're always trying to come from a positive angle.
Building bridges.
But when you're not even a person, like a country, and in fact, I saw a video recently of yours that was like actually interesting to me.
The one of the I know the country.
Mauritians.
Yeah, because I've got heaps of Mauritius friends here.
And I didn't know.
There's a lot of Mauritius people in Australia and they're cool people.
And so like I didn't know that kind of stuff.
And so there's not, there's sort of like when you say you do positive content, that's building it up.
Like it works in that situation because like where could that possibly go wrong?
But when you're building up a specific person that has a brand which is which involves investment, that's the danger.
Like the Bitcoin or whatever, whatever product where people, when you have the power of so much money, like I agree.
And that's where I think the danger was in doing that ever.
This is why I felt, this is very the feedback.
This is where I felt very unfairly treated because I specifically went there to not build up his FTX.
His FTX thing I only mentioned in one second.
I wanted to build up his philanthropy of him giving away all his fortune, right?
So 80% of the video is about that.
This was unpaid collaboration.
I was not sponsored by FTX at all.
So I was like, wait a minute, this is the only fucking video about Sam that does not promote FTX.
And yet it's the one video people talk about.
I know, but like building up, I get what you get what you're saying.
The problem is building up a person who's his entire branding was built around the way he saw that.
And so then it built trust in him.
And if you trusted him, you were going to invest in that.
And that's like, I think it's just a danger.
Look, I don't think you're, I think finance related.
On your advice, should we avoid everything finance related?
Because let's say now you have me on your show.
Let's say you built me up for like 10 seconds.
And let's say one year from now, I murder somebody and I'm in prison, right?
Now, how would you have known?
It's impossible to see.
I do have my suspicions.
No, so it's different because no one's going to go in and so if I walk away from this, let's say, and I say, I actually like NAS, I don't agree with him politically on stuff that like we're not going to especially when he corrects his.
I like Nessiah.
And then in a year, you go and kill somebody, right?
Or, you know, it could be worse.
You look at Epstein, right?
How many people took photos with Epstein while he was around in the circus?
And we don't know the depth in which who had what involvement, right?
Some people, I'm sure, was super nefarious.
And some people was just, like, I even know there are people that come up and get photos with me.
I don't know.
They could be like evil people, but I'm going to be polite and say yes to a photo.
But if I went out and said, I think Nessiah is actually a good dude.
And then it turns out in a year, you actually end up killing an innocent person in cold blood.
Yeah, what do you do then?
So I think, one, it creates a situation where my instinct can be questioned.
People go, well, Avi, you went out of your way to say that you think he's a good dude.
So you wouldn't have known.
It's not your fault.
You didn't commit the murder, but I might question things you endorse.
And it's sort of the same with that, with you and Bankman.
But the problem there is like the consequences of it.
Like, what are the consequences for people who believe that you're all right after this, as opposed to people that probably put money in because your brand was trust?
Yeah, that's fair.
I go back to the same point, which is the video promotes effective philanthropy.
It doesn't say invest in FTX.
It doesn't even tag.
No, no, but the consequence of it is that.
But it's almost like it's really, there's no, look, I believe in percentages.
I mean, look, I have a fucking percentage right over my thing.
I believe in percentages.
So it's like, what percent of the videos I made about people have turned out to be crazy?
Like Sam Magma Free.
Like literally, it's 2%.
Maybe one.
Oh, there was another one.
There was that Asian guy.
Yeah, yeah.
Another one.
Binance.
But honestly, I don't think he did anything wrong.
CZ is, I go on the record, say Binance is awesome.
And the guy's.
I don't know enough.
I just remember that there was a controversy and everyone was like, every single time.
Usually when they say every single time, they mean the Jews.
But in that case, it was Nessiah.
But they were saying Nas Daily.
I'm just, I'm quoting them.
They were saying Nas daily.
Yes.
Okay.
My misrate, to be clear, for everybody to know is 1%.
I made 2,000 videos about 2,000 people.
Only like four or five were like fraud.
1% misrate.
That's it.
Go ahead.
So what you're saying is, though, when somebody then judges your content, the way they should look at it is trust 99% of it.
Trust 99% of what I say.
And 60%.
42%.
Depends.
Cut out the left-wing nonsense.
So we got about 49 plus the 1%.
Listen, but here we are.
We're having this conversation.
And I think, again, as long as I'm not delusional like I was, but I think things are very different now.
I'm not going to interrupt you.
Don't worry.
And if I see you in the street.
Yeah.
Well, you haven't been back to WEF since then.
I don't know what happened.
What happened?
Get invited.
When they invite you first, do they invite you as Nessiah or Nasdaile?
I think it wasn't even the WEF, dude.
It was like YouTube.
Oh, it was YouTube or wasn't it the UAE?
Well, once I was with the UEE, but another time I was with YouTube.
So it's never been directly like I'm a WEF speaker.
So it's always been YouTube and UAE, which, you know, two not bad breads.
You love YouTube.
YouTube is the reason you have a career.
Well, I'm hoping to get remonetized.
Do you have any friends there?
They're currently under review.
They said that we're getting monetized.
Well, they re-monetized Rebel in the last few weeks.
And then they said...
In the last few weeks?
That is...
That is all Trump administration stuff.
That's crazy.
And then they said, so the boss, they said basically on all our channels to put them into review.
So as we speak, hopefully by the time this airs, it's remonetized because it does.
Hopefully you can make some money off of this.
That's the aim.
So since that, you never went back because you never got invited.
You never got reinvited.
Can I take credit?
Okay, just to be clear, I can go if I want to.
I'm not disinvited.
I still like the WEF.
This can be our first thing that we disagree on.
Yes, I know.
Look, I just think they're good people, just like I think you're a good person.
I just think, you know, look, some of us do not know the impact of our action.
Then maybe sometimes the left-wing actions were too woke, too crazy, like Greta Thunberg stuff.
And sometimes the right can be too crazy.
So like, did we get in our debate to Greta?
And I don't want to like reprosecute all this.
People can go watch the Nasdebates.com that is owned by Rebel.
Did we?
I don't know.
I don't remember.
I vaguely remember, but.
Because your boss was harassing Greta and I was harassing him.
That is my interaction.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And you, yeah, and you were in defense of her at that time.
I was never in love with her, actually.
No.
I don't think I was.
You could see the red flags.
I mean, it's just like I think we humans like makes like make something shiny and just use like it's like we use her for our own purposes.
Well, they idolize her.
The left also does that a lot.
The right also does it.
They idolize certain people.
Yeah, the right idolizes me because I'm like, oh, Muslim Arab who likes Israel.
Oh my God.
It depends where on the right.
Depends where on the right.
That's nowadays.
And that's where we're going to get to.
Let's go.
Because this is how.
So after all that, and you're welcome for not getting reinvited to the WEF.
You don't know it.
I actually saved you.
But after that, October.
Hey, don't make use the title of this interview.
It's not like I'm disinvited.
I can still go if I want to.
Don't make this.
Nas Daily disinvited from the WEF, now Rebel News favorite.
Just to be clear.
Look, we're about, oh, we're almost a year off.
We were just there.
So in 11 or in 10, in 11, no, 10 months, in 10 months from now, if I see you at the WEF, then we know that you were reinvited.
But again, I'll take credit because maybe people will think you're normal again.
Who knows?
But that was 2022.
So October 2023 hit.
And I remember in those first few days uh, the world reacted and reacted in a way that was pleasantly surprising.
I don't like all the virtue signaling.
I think that was never helpful and and I think it created more animosity.
But you saw the flags going everywhere and uh, you know, states were uh, they do the lights the the, the Israeli colors on all different uh, buildings and whatever.
That's what I mean.
I don't, i'm not really into that, because I think that that it actually um well, it never actually does anything besides for hurts especially, in this case, the Jews.
But um, if they put up the flags of Israel, of Israel after october 7, in all capital, like all main capital cities around the West and Europe, why do you think it hurts Israel or the Jews?
Because it basically it did.
You could see straight after that, because there's it's, it's a virtue signal that everybody says oh, look how great I am, I care, but but it's not actually doing anything and what it did in the populations is going.
The government is supporting this straight away.
So, after covert especially, there's been this, there's been this shift in in populations where people go.
If the government's behind that, i'm against it.
And then, on top of that you have.
You have massive Islamic communities across the country, across the world sorry that turned around and their reaction was, how come there's never been a Palestinian flag?
Uh, over 76 years of of occupation, right?
So it immediately got the conversation into a position which was unhelpful, but but you know what i've got to say.
As you know, an Australian, Israeli Jew, even seeing it, and even though I I I um, I consciously um recognized the problems with it, it felt nice to see it because it was like a pre it was surprising to me that the world reacted how they should to such an atrocity, to such a yeah, a visual atrocity, one that was, you know, broadcasted to the entire world.
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So it was weird how you as, as an Israeli, you've got to go like, because if it happened anywhere else, it wouldn't even be a question.
That that's what the world, you know, when it happened in England or America or um, in Europe, the the world, that's how the world reacts, but when it comes to Israel, it's always been this like, well, is there a reason for this?
And, and in this case there was.
And that was when I saw your first post um, which was in the first few days, I, I recall I might be off on my day.
I think it was in that period, which was which i'm calling, which i'm calling like the left-wing grace period, where we're and and I said it at the time because I said and I went to Israel straight away I jumped straight on a flight, went to Israel and stayed in Sterot, for in that period, when they were still finding terror like, they pulled guns on me at one point because they thought that, um like, because you look Arab, that's right, because you literally look.
I think it was just that I was in the place that everybody had escaped and I was trying, I was literally driving, I was driving towards as close as I could get to to Gaza and I go on this road in middle of the night me, my cameraman, Cameraman and another guy, and we're driving on this road, and it was a Tesla because at the time, Elon Musk gave free power stations, free recharge across Israel.
Yeah.
And I'm a Temani, and in Yemen, when you hear free, you just forget everything else.
And we took a Tesla, and then we're driving down this road, and suddenly, like, out of no, I'm starting to get worried that we're going to end up somewhere in Khan Yunus or something because, like, there was no one stopping us.
And I'm driving, and I'm talking about like 10th or 10th of October, 11th of October, and I'm driving.
And then suddenly, out of the dark, like guns blazing, and they're going, they're telling me in Hebrew to turn the lights off.
And I'm telling, and I'm screaming out, I don't know how to do it.
It's a bloody Tesla.
I go, anyways, I go, if you want to shoot someone, shoot Elon Musk for this.
They came over, they checked everything.
I mean, seriously, terrorists do not drive a Tesla.
So that should be signal number one.
Listen, a lot of people would consider a Tesla a bomb.
So I don't know.
But so in that period, you made a post and heaps of people were sending it to me.
You know, heaps of people that I think probably from the Jewish community that had seen our stuff.
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And I think you had a mixed, like in the Jewish community before that, before October 7, there were people that loved you, people that, and I, because there were different instances and videos that came out, and people were saying that he's this.
And to be honest, I looked at it and I said to those people, I said to people, I go, my bet, because I think in that post, and I'm paraphrasing what I remember, you said something along the lines of I've always identified as Palestinian Israeli.
And today, like now, after this, I identify as Israeli.
Is there something I'm right about the way I'm presenting?
Yeah, more or less.
And so I guess one of the things that always annoyed me about you on a personal level, and I don't think many people realize that it came out in the first video interaction that we had from what I knew of you is like, do you remember I said to you, Amisa Chai when you left?
Because I looked at shocked you said that.
I was like, bro, I'm one of you.
Like, why?
So, so, it's because in the Jewish community, I think before October 7, there have been different conflicting things.
And then, after all that, like, I said to myself, well, this is NAS Nessiah.
I said Nessiah to myself, okay, because I didn't want to disrespect.
Of course, sure.
I said, Nessiah, you know, he's going to play it safe and he wants to be accepted in the left-wing, you know, position of the world.
And right now, and so it bothers.
So when you played the I'm Israeli Palestinian, I'm like, of course, he's going to sit on the fence.
That's going to be Nessiah.
And then October said that post, I said to people, come back to me in a month when the entire world has turned against Israel because of the retaliation.
And then show me Nas Daly's posts.
And I guarantee you, I said, I said, I guarantee he's going to go the other way.
And you never did.
You never did.
In fact, I've watched you consistently.
I'm continuously that go to the other way that you thought I was.
I continuously.
So I respected that.
And over that period, I've gained respect.
And it's not because I think you're on my side.
I actually think the whole conflict of Israel-Palestine is a for people that actually understand and know what's going on.
I'm not talking about your average person at home that's watching the news and getting TikToks and they're being fed snippets and forming their world view.
From people that know what is happening there, it's a litmus test.
It tells me where your moral comes from.
It shows me where your moral compass is.
If you go a specific way in the way that the mob has gone and you know what's real, then I think you're actually a bad person.
So I grew respect for that.
Can you tell us what happened for you then?
and what that shift was.
So look, we had so many differences, you and I, in the last few years.
But there is one thing that I appreciate about you that I also see myself in myself, which is you and I are on an individual pursuit to find our truth at all costs.
Even if our truth is unpopular, even if the whole world disagrees with it, but you and I are willing to go to great lengths to stand by our truths.
And at the WEF, when we first met, your truth was that the WEF is a globalist agenda and we hate it.
And that was your truth.
And you went to great lengths to make it clear the truth.
And then my truth was very different.
But for the first time ever is your truth and my truth are actually what we believe is the truth.
And so it doesn't matter if 99% of the world disagrees with me.
If I believe this is the truth, then I'm just going to stay.
And so when it came to the Israel and Palestine, I was so surprised at how little attention is given to the truth and how much attention is given to feelings and fucking slogans.
And even if it costs me my business, I don't give a shit because eventually the truth finds itself.
And so this is why I said what I said.
And this is why I continue to believe what I believe.
The whole October 7th until now, I am just amazed at how little people know and how little people care about the truth.
That's it.
So, so from your perspective, that after your first post and your continuation of it, was it that you were getting more frustrated by seeing lies spread and the mob grow?
Like what happened to you internally?
Because I can't imagine what it would be to be, you know, I guess racially a Palestinian Israeli and then in this time.
Like I do, like my officer in the army, he was, he was as well, like an Arab Jews.
No, he was Christian, Christian, Arab.
Oh, Jewish, Christian, Benwood, yeah.
But Muslim Arab and Muslims, like much harder because even Muslims across around the world, they automatically, the default position is anti-Israel.
I don't like that.
This is my pet teeth.
I don't like that.
It's like, whatever you are born, you believe.
If I'm born in a spin.
It's very, very extremely tribal.
And so I think it takes great courage.
And you know, I have massive respect for like Jews that are anti-Zionist.
It's like, you know how much courage it takes to say I'm not sure.
You know why I have less respect for that?
I'll explain to you why.
Yeah.
Jews that are anti-Zionist.
Well, firstly, you're joining the mob.
So for a Muslim to be anti-so for a Muslim to actually delve into it and to go, hold on.
Okay, this is the truth here.
And the truth might be even nuanced.
In the Arab world, nuance is like going to get you killed.
Non-existent.
Yeah.
So, but so, and with in the Arab world, you're talking about you're part of the vast majority.
And it's not, and like Islamic communities, unlike Jewish communities, are a lot more intense, a lot bigger, and a lot more dangerous to speak the truth.
So when a Muslim comes out and takes a stand, I have a lot more respect for it because he's not joining a mob.
He's joining actually the underdog.
He's joining the unpopular position, at least on the street, the position that can get you hurt.
We're an anti-Zionist.
I meet them all the time.
They're coming from this radical, insane position, but it's not even that.
It's not brave.
You're not doing anything.
Yeah, there's no consequences, I guess.
No one's going to murder you.
You can literally walk through the Jewish community neighborhood still after in your life.
Which is crazy impressive.
It's crazy impressive that you allow for this debates and disagreeing at such a high level and you don't kill each other.
But if you do it the other way, if you do it the other way, if you find, if you, if you now, like you now known as making your position, if you walk through some neighborhoods in Melbourne, Australia, you will not survive.
You might be thinking I'm not in Australia now.
So what's but it's not, I don't think it's just Australia, but what's your view on what's happening in Australia as somebody that's that's lived all sides of this conflict?
Man, look, I wish the world knew that it's you can say Sri Palestine and I'm with Hamas and all that stuff in Australia, in the UK, in the US as of recently, and you don't get in trouble, none of that.
If you say that in Saudi Arabia, if you say that in like UAE, like you're toast, like people don't understand.
There is a guy.
There is a guy though.
There is a guy in UAE that does.
You got in trouble.
No, he some guy lifted up the Palestinian flag.
Oh, yeah, no, I saw that.
The thing about this guy, I think it's like one of those gym owners, the one that converted or reverted Andrew Tate.
He has a fight gym in UAE.
Oh, Dakhan.
Oh, bro.
I have a crazy story with that guy.
I did a podcast with him just like this.
And this was before October 7th.
And I didn't realize how crazy that guy was.
And there it was.
Like, literally, this is funny.
We had a podcast.
We had a one-hour debate about Israel.
I was like, you know, who the hell are you with Mr. Afghanistan?
What do you know about Israel and Palestine?
Is he Afghani?
I didn't even know he was Afghani.
Yeah, he's Afghan Tankan or something.
And then it was like, and then we had this one-hour podcast.
And I was like literally fighting him in the podcast.
And then at the end of it, they were like, maybe we shouldn't release this because we live in Dubai.
And it's like, okay, whatever.
We're not going to release this.
But literally, this is before October 7th.
I was like defending my truth in front of that guy.
That guy knows nothing.
I know.
I know he knows nothing.
But my question is, how does he, is it, because he seems to be also close to the royal family or parts of the royal family?
No, not close at all.
Everybody there, bro, like buys a Bugatti and calls himself close to Rodefine Bisa Rolex and things like that.
So how does he get away?
So how does he get away with it?
He straight up supports Hamas.
How does he do that?
I'll tell you, I think how he gets there, because he's not, I think he's, because he's not Arab, he's not a threat.
He's doing it in English for the English audience, blah, blah, blah.
He's not like saying, I, as part of Dubai, do this.
Like, if you're an Arab, it's a little bit more difficult to go out.
You don't get away with this.
That's my judgment.
Mind you, I'm not even arguing that they should, whatever.
I'm just asking why.
No, I think that there should be free speech.
One of the things that I really appreciated in Dubai at the couple of times that I've been there is that I genuinely, I think it's one of the places in the world that as a Jew, as proudly a Jew, I've always felt super safe, not only super safe, like respected.
I feel like the peace, the Abraham Accords, and that is one thing Trump does never get enough credit for.
It is real peace.
I've been to Jordan.
I wouldn't go out there and say I'm a Jew.
But in Dubai, in Dubai, it's like I really feel when they say Aki, like they mean it.
A mutual respect, which is the one thing that's ever given me hope for a future, actual, real, lasting peace in the Middle East between Israel and Islamic States, because it is possible.
Yeah, people think Arabs is like one type of Arab.
It's like people think Jews is like 16 million one opinion.
Like in reality, there's like a Levantine Arab and there is like a Bedouin Arab and there is like Christian Arab, right?
And like a Bedouin Arab, which is UEE, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar.
Well, exclude Kuwait and Qatar, the different topic.
Bahrain, UEE, Saudi Arabia.
Like awesome.
They're like very tolerant and amazing.
So I think, and they also happen to be the most successful Arabs and the ones with the actual skyscraper and the more educated ones.
So I think the big issue really is my Levantine Arabs, right?
The ones in Jordan, in Egypt, in the West Bank.
We need an insane re-education campaign for these struggles because they have a cold peace with Israel and there's like massive real anti-Semitism because they're so close to it when all these events happen.
It's like, oh, the war is right there.
Jews are killing us.
So therefore, we should kill Jews.
Like that is literally what they think.
Look, the way I think of it is this, Abi, is those Arabs think they will be killed by Jews.
That's why they hate Jews.
And Jews in Israel think they will be killed by those exact Arabs.
So that's why they hate Israel.
When I feel like you're about to kill me, I want to kill you first.
But why do but why here?
And I'm not only talking about Arabs, but why here do the Muslim position?
Why is it immediately this I don't get.
This I don't get.
But that's why I think it is scripture.
It does go back to that.
Like if you look at Islam according to, because chronologically you had Judaism, Christianity, and then Islam.
And because there are disparaging texts in Islam, so it is so easy for radicals to go, look, it says, oh, look, it says on judgment day, Muhammad's going to call Muslim.
There's a Jew behind me, come and kill him.
So there's actually somebody to point at and go, he is our enemy.
And Israel only solidifies it and makes it, gives you that reason.
I agree with that, but something that I cannot square off is in the same text in the Quran, it literally said, Jews are the sons of Israel, the people of the book, and it says Israel in the Quran.
So I know.
That's a funny thing.
That's a funny thing I always ask him.
Like yeah, how many times does it say Palestine in the Quran?
I don't get it zero times so, and I think it's 44 times it mentions Israel.
But you should see there's this video about the, the ruling uh um, the ruler of Saudi Arabia, saying that we should be open to reinterpretation of the religion, and I think that's what the world needs.
And, by the way, look at like Indonesia.
Indonesia is gonna make peace with Israel in the next three, four years, for sure.
I definitely recognize.
I mean, they already have a lot of them with a different passport, like me, I know I've never seen it in Bali.
I've never seen Israelis in Bali.
Anybody who has a second passport goes there.
I bought a second passport and I went to Bali and I made a video called is Bali the whitest island in Asia?
And that pissed off so many people.
You should see it.
You would not Balinese.
Balinese wouldn't have cared.
It would have been the, the like the Indonesian mainlanders the.
No, the Indonesian mainlanders loved it.
It's, it's the.
The white people in Bali said, how dare you call us white?
How did this is gentrification.
Why are you celebrating gentrification?
You know, like classic anyway, let me.
Let me ask you something.
The your family.
I think you're from the north yeah, north of Israel.
Yeah yeah, how does your family feel through all of this?
Um uh, so my family is okay, it's okay.
Look, I mean, they're like.
Their preference is that I I keep my mouth shut, especially at the beginning of the war.
That's like every parent's preference.
Just protect yourself hide, play it safe.
But you know, that's not, that's not your DNA or mine, but for now, they're safe.
They're very supportive and also honestly, my parents are like guys, we only have Israel, like we have to protect the country that we have, that we live in.
We know nothing else.
We don't want to be anywhere else.
So what the fuck are we doing?
Yeah well, I think Arab villages in the north, especially in the beginning of the war, when Hezbollah was firing all those rockets, they were the real, they were the targets.
Essentially, they were the ones that are getting hit more than anyone, and I never understood why anyone.
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Well, I understand it, I can understand it.
That's why I say it's.
It would be hard for me.
Uh, you know, if you have an identity crisis, like if you can't square up your um Arab background to obviously, um and I saw that in Israel in my time there, you know you had.
You had young Arab men that clearly proudly, would always identify as Palestinian but would never take the chance to move to the West Bank, would never, would never give up their Israeli passport because life in Israel is better than anywhere else in the Middle East for them.
There's two qualities I really, really don't like, ungratefulness and hypocrisy.
You must act the way you talk.
If you talk and say i'm only Palestinian, then act like it and live as an only Palestinian.
Don't be using shekels and don't be taking the Israeli passport and traveling around the world having fun.
Don't try to play in both worlds and try to win in both, because those who catch two rabbits, try to catch two rabbits, catch none.
Number two is that's hypocrisy.
And it's just like I'm gratefulness.
Like if I'm being very serious about this and I'm being extremely uncomfortably honest, the only reason I am mass daily today is because I lived under an Israeli government.
If I lived under a Jordanian government, opportunities are so much less.
I do not want to live under a Jordanian or Palestinian or fucking Egyptian government.
Why is that sensitive to say, yes, the Israeli government is terrible and you know how terrible it is, but it is the best we have in the Middle East.
It can always be better, but we can't all be Denmark people.
So I'll take that.
I think Denmark the baseline for good.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Many people agree with that.
Yeah, so you say, so actually growing up in Israel as a Muslim Arab, when you hear people talking about apartheid around the world, you know, your uni students talk about apartheid.
Was there genuinely any, like, was there any difference as a Muslim growing up in an Arab Israeli village?
Using the word genocide or apartheid, I believe, is intellectual laziness.
It is lazy.
So you put everything as genocide.
Even in Syria now, we're calling it genocide.
I think that's lazy to call things genocide, right?
Something has to really, like, there's gravity to the word.
So calling it apartheid is like, everybody is trying to compare us to South Africa.
Do you know my least country in my least favorite country in the world?
It is South Africa.
Because even though, quote unquote, it has is beyond apartheid, the most apartheid I've seen in my life is in South Africa today.
So that's what they say.
The pendulum swung the other way.
They turned anti-racism laws that ended up being the most racist laws.
I only got robbed twice in my life out of 100 countries, and both of them happened in South Africa.
Anyway, that's a different conversation.
Look, we're not going to sugarcoat it.
I wanted to be an astronaut when I was young.
I looked at my race.
I looked at my color.
I looked at my religion.
And I said, Israel were never let me become an astronaut.
You only can be Jewish from the army to do anything successful in life.
If you want to be a prime minister, you can never be that in Israel if you're not Jewish.
So the truth matters, there is a ceiling where there's a glass ceiling or a concrete ceiling.
It's funny you say that because Yemenites would say the same thing about primaryism.
It's the same thing.
Exactly.
Black Ethiopian Jews definitely have a ceiling.
It's insanely low as well.
But is it?
Look, that's the truth.
But the thing is, also the same truth is that the height of the ceiling is the highest in Israel.
So you mean in comparison to other Middle Eastern states?
Exactly.
So you're saying, so you genuinely don't think an Arab could be an astronaut in Israel?
No, because you have to, because the first astronaut in Israel was a military F-16 commander.
Do you think Israel would trust a Muslim Israeli Arab with an F-16 private car?
I don't know.
I think in the woke world of 2025, they would love one because they'd be able to parade him around the world.
But look, the way I view this is this.
I can't argue with how you felt.
I just question whether there really is a ceiling.
Like, if you, if, if, if an, are there no, are there no Muslim pilots in Israel?
Are there none?
No, there isn't.
No, there isn't.
No.
But also, there's no Muslim Arab, like if you look at the percentage of Arabs in the TV station, it's like, you know, we're 20% of the country, but it's like 1% of the employees and TV stations.
Like, we have a lot less representation.
Now, I'm not here to complain.
I don't like complainers.
I'm here to say we have work to do in Israel, but the beginning is good compared to our region.
Now, how can we make it better together?
That's all I'm saying.
I'm looking at the glass half full.
I'm not here to complain.
There is systematic problems in the Israeli government, but it's amazing opportunity.
So, also, I'll tell you a big problem, Avi.
Do you tell me if it's acceptable or not?
I spent 19 years in Israel.
Do you know how many Jewish Israeli friends I have?
From the first 19 years of my life, zero.
But like people that don't understand, like you would have lived in a northern town and surrounded by just Arabs in your Arab village.
You probably went to other Arab villages.
Like, that's a lifestyle.
But if you moved into the city, you would have had.
Honestly, before I was Nasdaq, it was very difficult to make Israeli Jewish friends.
And that pains me to say that.
Going through Arabic.
It's weird to me because when I served in the army there, I made heaps of Arab friends just walking around.
There's different Arabs, right?
There's Christian Arabs, there's Druze Arabs, there's Bedouin Arabs.
Those are integrated Arabs.
Muslim Arabs.
No, I'm talking about Muslim Arabs from villages out.
So like I was in Kal Sabah, there's all the villages around.
Yeah, yeah.
And they would come in and work in Khal Sabah.
And like, you know.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Keyword is work, manual work.
And it's like, why can't you?
I'm thinking of one specifically that I probably shouldn't mention, but she was very beautiful.
And she would do my haircuts.
And like, we hung out a fair bit.
Did you hang out more than a fair bit?
Listen, listen, I wouldn't go to her village and hold her hand.
Let's just put it that way.
Yeah, let me smart.
I got to run in like two minutes because I met.
Quickly, before I let you go, and I appreciate it.
I think this was a great conversation.
It's funny that you say you hate people with hypocrisy, which that's where we first met.
And like people will watch this and go, well, that's exactly what NASDAQ.
But I agree with the sentiment and I actually do agree with what you're saying.
But lastly, what do you think about Syria?
What's happening in Syria now?
Do you think it's a good thing?
Do you think it's a bad thing?
People love to point at Israel saying, oh, this works so well for Israel.
Although I'd argue, I don't know if al-Qaeda, Assad wasn't great for Israel, but at least he was in control and giving minority some like there was no crazy thing, but there was this Iran had the thing.
But al-Qaeda on Israel's doorstep is not a great thing.
Look, if I look at what is the most dangerous thing in the Middle East and the least dangerous thing in the Middle East, if you ask a Columbia University student, they would say Zionist movement is the most dangerous thing in the Middle East, which is crazy.
For me, the most dangerous thing in the Middle East is radical Islamic extremism.
And unfortunately, Syria is becoming that.
Anybody that says the name of a god and then kills somebody, for me, is dangerous.
Period.
So that's what's happening in Syria.
Therefore, it is dangerous.
And I agree with you.
And I think that the most dangerous thing about Assad was the fact that he was giving radical Shia Muslims a pathway to Lebanon.
Like he was giving them the route, the road.
So it gave access.
It was not about Assad himself.
I think Assad himself was probably not so bad for the Middle East.
He was okay to the Christians, to the Alawites there.
He wasn't friendly with Israel, but who cares?
He wasn't going to start a war with Israel.
The problem with him is he was allowing a sect of radical Islamists come to Israel from the other side.
So I actually totally agree with you.
Mate, I've really enjoyed this conversation.
I hope you have as much as I have.
No, no, we could do this for hours.
And, you know, we should do this again end of this year, next year, whatever.
Maybe, hopefully, I'll see you at the WEF and maybe we can both have this.
If this episode makes money, we'll do it again.
That's hey.
No comment.
Thank you, brother.
I hope you get remonetized.
Thank you, guys.
And to every hater in the comment section, where I'm sure there will be, F you.