AVI YEMINI and Don Keith expose how Tommy Robinson’s imprisonment stems from a UK documentary Silence revealing a Syrian refugee’s violent threats against Bailey, despite five witnesses. A judge ruled against Tommy, awarding £100K to the refugee while ignoring evidence, amid claims of a two-tier justice system favoring non-white perpetrators—like a Muslim molester or immigrant rapist facing no consequences. Robinson’s solitary confinement, exceeding UN/ECHR limits, allegedly worsened his mental health (ADHD, PTSD), while authorities strip him of phone access and food. Elon Musk’s legal support contrasts with Nigel Farage’s hypocrisy, as Farage avoids Tommy despite praising others. This case highlights lawfare weaponizing courts to silence dissent, eroding free speech under terrorism charges that could endanger whistleblowers. [Automatically generated summary]
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Welcome back to the Yamini Report, where we talk to people making a difference doing important things.
And I think one of the most important things that has happened in the last year, especially in the space in the UK, and with regards to our very good friend, Tommy Robinson, is his political persecution and jailing.
And one man that's really making a big difference in that space is, of all people, a Yank, Don Keith.
How are you doing, mate?
I'm doing great, brother.
How are you?
Yeah, good.
Welcome to the show.
We'll start there.
Well, thank you for having me.
Now, for people that don't know who you are or what you do, give us a bit of a history of who this man that we've seen taking up the cause for Tommy Robinson, somebody probably a tenth of his size, but we'll get into that a bit later.
Who are you and where did you come from?
Yeah, my name's Don Keith.
You know, like I said, I'm an American and I was born in South Georgia.
I'm an engineer by trade and education, so I've done that most of my life and always had an interest in politics, but really became more involved in politics in the last few years from a vocal perspective.
I followed Tommy for quite a few years, probably at least 10 years, I would say, online, messaged back and forth with him for quite some time.
And then I had a chance to go to London last year and just looked at Tommy up and said, hey, man, I'm going to be in London.
You want to go grab a bite to eat or meet or whatever?
And he's like, sure, come on, man.
And, you know, it was like an instant friendship.
I always, you know, something strange too, though.
I always knew if I met the guy, I said, me and this guy would be amazing friends if we ever met, just because I think we share a lot in common with, you know, the passion we have for our countries and the love we have for our countries.
So yeah, that's who I am.
That's how I got involved with Tommy and his team.
And where did you go for lunch?
Did he take you to one of his curry places?
No, we actually got the English roast, man, for the first time.
First time I ever had the English roast.
Must have been me.
Must have been he just assumed I like curries the first time we went out for lunch.
Well, he does like curries.
I have to say, he does love a good curry, Tommy.
He does love a curry.
And he goes to, you know, these full Pakistani place.
I'm like, dude, this doesn't actually fit the whole story I've been told.
It really is.
You wonder, are they going to put something in your food?
Are you going to leave here with your head?
It's kind of, you know.
Spending time around.
You guys here with Tommy of all people.
When you spent time with him around the UK, I'm assuming you hung around the UK and you got to see how people actually engage with him on the street, not online.
What was that like?
What was your experience walking around with him?
It's a hero's welcome everywhere he goes.
And I'm not blowing smoke.
That's the honest to God's truth.
Anywhere you go with Tommy Robinson, it actually just blew me away.
Now, keep in mind, I've been in the last year to London six times.
I've been to five demonstrations.
I've spoke at four of them.
And I've been to Benador and Spain with Tommy, Portugal with Tommy.
I've been to Canada with Tommy.
Everywhere he goes, it doesn't matter where he goes, people love this guy and they appreciate what he does.
They say, thank you, Tommy.
Thank you so much for what you're doing.
Because everybody knows he's a passionate patriot.
Regardless of what you hear in the media, the truth is the people love him.
And I'll tell you what was one of the most telling, one of the most memorable experiences I had with him as far as an encounter with another person was when we were walking through the airport.
You know, Tommy has this in the media.
They call him an erased, an Islamophobe, and all these catchphrases that they love to call all people who are conservative.
We were walking through the airport and I'll never forget this black man with his family.
I had a little boy and a little girl and his wife, whole family.
Guy walks up to Tommy, bumps his fist.
Tommy bumps his fist and said, what's up, bro?
The guy walks away and the little boy says, Dad, who was that?
He said, that's Tommy Robinson, son, a man who knows.
So it blew me away.
I was like, here's a guy that you hear all over the media.
They call the racist and the worst slurs that you can imagine.
But when you meet the actual people, they just love the guy and they know that it's all a lie.
And I don't know if even the media understands how much the people realize that they have their number.
They know they're lying about everything.
What I witnessed that was interesting to me is that it wasn't only a hero's welcome from who you'd expect, you know, I guess, football, white football hooligans.
It was actually like even young Muslim lads were coming up to him for photos and he would talk to literally anyone.
He was cool with anyone.
He'd have a joke with anyone.
You know, they were coming up going, I remember a couple lads, a couple of young Muslim lads came up to him and go, hey, Tommy, can I get a photo for the boys?
Yeah, for bands.
And Tommy's like, no, fuck that.
Let's do a video and does like a whole video, you know, that's going into like a group of Muslim young men who they were genuinely excited by being unanimous.
And I found it amazing because it's just in complete contrast to how he's described in the media.
And I did see with my experience with him hanging around is he'd be nice to anyone.
But if things changed, he could go from zero to 100 in like I've never seen it.
You know, I had experiences with him where we would be at a, you know, it was actually funny.
It was in Luton around Luton area where we were at the time.
And he and he goes, we were going to go out one night with a couple of the guys and we had a couple, a couple of girls from America, I think, as well with us.
Whatever.
But he had to select where we're going to go out.
So he goes, you know what?
The place I love to go to is this gay bar because the Muslims are never there.
So it's just like, it's just, you can go have a good time.
And, you know, and we get there.
And, you know, by luck that night, there happened to be a group of a couple of Muslims there, which I do have questions.
Oh, yeah.
But they, but anyways, and he was chatting.
They were big lads, like big ones.
And I saw it, like I was, I wasn't next to him at the time, like I was standing back.
And I remember I watched and it looked like all banter at first.
And then I saw them trying to put it on him because he's a small guy, Tommy, and they were like towering over him.
He's fearless, little man.
He's fine.
And I watched it and I saw, like, and I could see, I could read his body language even like, you know, a few meters back.
I'm like, oh, crap, this is escalating.
Like, I go towards him and it's already basically kicking off.
He's just, he, he, he won't, you know, he doesn't, he's happy to be friends with anyone, but as soon as you threaten his, his spat his personal space or you try to put it on him, he'll, he'll flip.
Now, security ended up, this was back when, I don't know if you used to follow him.
Oh, you said 10 years you've been following him?
About 10 years, yeah.
Yeah, so 20 years ago.
Actually a little longer, probably about 2011, 2012.
There you go.
So you'll remember the period where he had like Facebook, where he would go on, he would go live on Facebook and there would be, he'd be walking down the street and just go live like five times a freaking day.
And then 30, 40, 50,000 people would just watch him live because the way he communicated was so real, so raw.
And the bonus was often shit just happened with this guy just walking down the street.
Like he was the most entertaining person.
And so this was in that period.
It was at the end, like right before they banned him off Facebook.
So it probably, it must have been 2017, 2018.
It was right before they kicked him off.
And I remember security drag us out and basically left those three guys upset.
And he goes, listen, lads, you didn't see what happened.
Go look at the security cameras.
Look at exactly what happened.
I did not start these, these lads put it on me.
They tried to, and I just reacted.
He goes, if you don't, he goes, I don't care if they stay, you can let them stay.
But if you kick us out for them trying to start a fight with me, I'm going to have 10,000 people out here at a protest tomorrow.
You know, we're on the piss a bit.
But they knew he wasn't joking.
And they went and checked the security cameras and they go, boys, most come, can't.
They let us back in.
And I think they kicked the other guys out at the end.
But I don't know why I got into that story.
It shows a few things.
It demonstrates that he's actually nothing.
He's nothing like how they describe.
He's one of the most genuine people.
Does he do some stupid shit?
100%.
But that's what makes him so raw and real.
Like he's not, he's not.
He's a real person.
Exactly.
And he also comes from a certain culture that even I don't like particularly get.
You know, the whole football hooligan culture is a bit wild when you think of it.
And like when I first got there and he was explaining to me about how it works, you know, he goes, dude, he goes, I love that stuff.
You know, going to the, going to the games, it was hooligans.
It was basically organized fights between consenting adults.
He goes, what's the difference between that and a boxing match?
He goes, if one lad would hit somebody that's not part of the firms, both firms, his own firm would turn on him.
He goes, it's like a code.
It's like it's a culture.
Now, I don't get it because I do everything in my life to avoid getting punched in the face.
But that's not, but that is what built the guy.
That's what created a man that walks around fearless.
And he is genuinely like, as far as fearless you can go, Tommy Robertson is that.
And I know that because like I know just the amount of hate that I get.
Yeah, and the amount of precautions and security I've got to take here in Australia, he's about a hundred, a thousand times worse.
I've witnessed it just walking down the street and with his family that, but it never stopped him.
He never, ever, ever backs down.
Most people would quit at the first sign of trouble where you're threatened or anything.
But he's been hit.
He's been attacked.
He's been jailed.
He's had all his teeth knocked out in jail.
Yeah, well, what you're talking about, it defines him on a personal level, but it also defines him.
That same spirit defines him in his politics too, in his activism.
Exactly.
So that's that spirit he has with people individually and that fighting spirit.
That's what takes Tommy through his activism and the way he's willing to fight the government and risk his freedom and safety and security and everything.
You know, that's who Tommy Robinson is down to his core.
And the fact that he never, and this is an important one these days, because I think since in the last year and a half, whatever it is, we've seen a lot of people captured by their audience.
A lot of people, especially on the right, people that I used to follow, just suddenly there was this shift and they're all following their audience instead of leading.
And Tommy is one of those guys that never falls for that.
He's been consistent on everything.
He was consistent when everyone loved him on it.
He was consistent when people who loved him turned on him.
He didn't care.
In fact, it's crazy that they ever called him a Nazi or whatever, because he's one of the only guys.
In fact, he's probably the only guy in the world that I know that got done for actually punching a Nazi that refused to leave his protest.
And then the media uses that exact story against him to say that he's, you know, like he's a violent, he attacked a protester.
And it's like, hold on.
What was the context of that?
You mean he punched a Nazi that refused to leave his protest?
Now, you may not agree with dealing with matters in matters like that, but you're the media that you call him a Nazi all day, but you leave out the fact that he's actually the one that hates Nazis.
And when so many, you know, so many, so much of his fan base, like there would, there would be a, it would be a lot easier for Tommy Robinson.
I often ask him this.
It would be a lot easier for Tommy Robinson in 2024, you know, before he got locked up, to have turned against Jews, to turned against Israel, turned because he worked for Mossad, though, right?
Tommy Robinson's Dilemma00:04:28
So he can't do it.
I know, I signed his paychecks.
Everybody wears the Mossad t-shirt.
That's what Mossad agents do.
They wear a t-shirt for everybody.
We all wear it.
This is actually rabbi news.
But the thing is, it would have been so much easier for him because it's not like the Jewish establishment, the Jewish community establishment, they haven't been good to him.
So he's got no loyalty to them.
You know, after COVID, he actually, I think he got a lot of sympathy from even a lot of young Muslims in Britain.
That kind of blew up for him as well.
And his own base, so many in his own base that follow other people and kind of got caught in that rabbit hole after October 7th.
He could have done what everyone else did, which is easier.
And we've seen some of the big names in America do it.
And they flip-flop on issues.
Like somebody like Alex Jones, I think flip-flops on those issues really based on what the viewer, what he knows his fan base wants.
Tommy never does that.
Never did that.
Because for him, it's always been about this issue, going, there is a threat against our Western civilization, against Britain for him, but he looks broader than that.
And that threat is an ideological threat.
And yeah, you can get short-term.
And he's explained it to me, not in these words.
He goes, you can get short-term success by turning against the Jews.
But the fact is, if you look at those that are doing that, you look at someone like Candace Owens that has started doing that.
Suddenly she's excusing all the Islamists.
She refuses to call out jihad.
She actually blames the Jews for the hate against the Muslims and pretending like there's nothing actually, you know, systemically wrong with the ideology.
What is it?
What is it that first attracted you to following Tommy?
What was it?
Do you remember?
Well, it's definitely his passion.
And I like the way, I liked his fight, probably his fight and his spirit.
You mentioned that earlier.
We talked about that.
But seeing him on the streets when he was by himself, maybe there were one or two guys with him or something.
But these Muslim guys would come up to him in the street and he would just talk smack to him and didn't care.
Didn't care how big they were.
Didn't care if he was by himself.
And he would just, and the guy, I don't know how well you know him, but the guy is hilarious.
I mean, he's so funny.
He keeps you in stitches.
But, you know, I tell people ask me that question a lot.
How did you, an American, a country boy from South Georgia, get hooked up with this guy from Britain?
And, you know, it's just something about him that I've always liked.
And I kind of, in Australia, you guys have like a Ned Kelly or I think Edward Dunlop.
Big heroes there.
If you could, if somebody brought you a time machine and said, hey, you can take this time machine, but you can only go back and see Ned Kelly or Edward Dunlop, you'd like to go do that hang out with them, right?
But we don't really have the option of going back and hanging out with the heroes we'd love to hang out with and just see what it was like.
But I tell people Tommy's alive today and I see him as that type of folk hero.
And I think in the future, history is going to remember him that way.
And so if I have a chance to hang out with somebody like that, like Tommy, who has that passion, then I'm going to do it.
And, you know, because he instills, he inspires me to be passionate that way.
He inspires me to be passionate for his country.
I'm passionate for my country, but now I'm passionate for his country because he loves his country so much.
I mean, you know, I'm an Anglo-Saxon heritage.
So, I mean, my people are from England and Ireland anyway.
So, I mean, that's really my motherland as well.
So, yeah, I'm passionate about it.
I'm passionate about the British people.
I really feel for them now that I've learned more and educated myself more and got to know people in the movement, Tommy and his team and everybody, Richard Inman and all those great people who've educated me a little bit more on what's really going on as far as the law and how the government's coming down on them, cracking down.
It really, my heart really goes out to them.
So I'm very outspoken about, I mean, I think half my Twitter feeds about, you know, the UK and half my Twitter feeds about here.
And I guess that's probably because I feel like I'm probably a dime a dozen over here and I'm probably a small voice over here, but I feel like I can make an even bigger impact over there, maybe.
You know what I mean?
Because there's so many people like me here.
I figure I feel like maybe I can even help more there than I do here.
Loyal Friend's Back00:02:17
I don't know.
No, man, to be honest, but I can't put my finger on it.
It's just Tommy's such a passionate guy.
I mean, anybody who meets him and hangs out with him for any amount of time, they just fall in love with the guy just because he's just a solid, he's a loyal dude.
I mean, he's got your back.
If you're a friend of his, man, he's going to have your back.
He's a ride or die friend, man.
And I can tell you that in ways that people don't even know personally.
So I used to work for him back before I worked for Rebel.
I know.
Yeah, Tommy was actually the one that got me into Rebel.
So I worked for Tommy, I think it was 2018, 2019.
He had TR news at the time.
That was his.
Oh, yeah, I remember that.
And I got into, I had a case.
I just got to be careful how I say it just because of Australian.
No, it was.
You guys are all alike.
I know all of you.
Look, no, no, it wasn't criminal.
It was.
I needed, I was going through a really bad time.
It was to gain access for my kids, but I needed for my kids.
But I needed in one day, and nobody knows this.
I don't think I've said this anywhere, but I needed in one day.
I said to him, I had to pay the lawyers so that they would show up.
And they said 25, I needed 25,000 Australian dollars, I think it was.
Or no, 25, no, I think it was 25,000 pounds.
I think it was 50,000 Aussie dollars at the time.
And he goes, oh, don't worry about it.
And like he knew, he was, I was talking to him.
I was like stressed because I just did not have that kind of money.
He goes, bruv, don't worry.
No, I'll have it to you by the morning.
Don't worry about it.
And like, I didn't sleep that night because I thought like I trusted him 100% about everything and it wasn't his problem.
This was not his problem.
And in the morning, it was there and it was sorted and the lawyers were paid and he expected nothing in return.
Like he's just a genuine, loyal person that will have your back.
And that's why, and I think that that translates into his politics as well.
Tommy's Investigation00:15:08
You know, I talked to him since then, probably, you know, outside before he went, before he got locked up, we would talk probably once to twice a week, like just shit, like, you know, not even talk.
It's just WhatsApping, you know, either funny or real stuff.
You know, you could, you could go between, I think my, my WhatsApp messages with the guy would be bizarre, I think, to many people because we could have two conversations going at once.
Like you would have this full banter while something like really serious.
And they're kind of, you know, I'm answering the banter, then the real and the bad, and it's just like, holy shit, these people are bipolar or something.
is wrong with this conversation yeah that's just kind of so um i think now everybody knows Let's quickly recap on what's happened with him because you've been right around this issue from the beginning.
So remind us why he got locked up now.
And again, update us because I'm sure I think you've been to see him or you've been speaking to him.
Yeah, I saw today that Mayor Tusi got in to see him and Mayor says he's going to break his NDA and report on him.
I haven't seen that report.
I just looked actually right before you and I got online and I didn't see anything.
So I'm waiting very patiently.
I think Sammy Woodhouse, who's joined us.
Yeah, Sammy was with him.
That's right.
I mean, she also went to see him and they allowed her in.
So there seems to be a shift there.
But just remind us, for the viewers here in Australia that are not across this full story, remind us what happened.
Why is he locked up now?
Tommy is currently locked up because he made a documentary film called Silence.
There was a video, a 30-second video clip that went around in the UK a couple of years ago.
It was of an English boy and a Syrian refugee who were basically in a little schoolyard scuffle.
Of course, the media plays the one clip where the white English woman meets.
Did you meet Bailey?
I didn't.
I think maybe I shook his hand.
I saw him at one of the demos.
I can't remember if I spoke to him or not, but yeah, I was like, I was there around that time and Tommy took him in.
I don't know if people know this.
I don't even know if it just goes to show who Tommy is.
I mean, he's a good person.
Tommy put him up in a house with his family because the government wouldn't protect the family.
So this kid, they destroyed his life because they made it like he was this big, evil bully picking on this Syrian refugee.
And they took him.
Well, Piers Morgan said he deserves severe retribution.
And it was after sometime after that, and Bailey tried to commit suicide.
That was another reason Tommy took him in, was to kind of take him under his wing and help him because he was having so many problems at school.
But of course, the media took that story and run with it.
And I mean, people like at such a high level of media, as Piers Morgan, a grown man, think about being a man in your 50s saying that a 15-year-old boy on national television should suffer severe retribution.
Piers Morgan will say anything for clicks.
Anything for cliques, but it's really despicable.
So basically, the reason Tommy's in there is because the whole thing went to court because Tommy did an investigation where everybody was castigating young Bailey and blaming him for what happened.
They said he waterboyed the waterboarded the refugee.
Well, it turns out after Tommy's investigation, the Syrian refugee had threatened to rape Bailey's young sisters earlier.
So Bailey was taking up for his sisters and giving him a little bit of what for, you know, say, don't talk about my sister.
Don't say that to my sister.
You're not going to say that.
So he's just defending.
He wasn't waterboarded, boarding him at all.
And then more of the investigation revealed that the, I believe it was the Kirkley's counsel paid $250,000 to the staff of that school there to keep them from talking about anything.
Made them all sign NDAs.
They could not discuss anything they knew about this Syrian refugee, who it turns out had several instances at the school where he'd been found with a knife.
He had stabbed a boy with a protractor or a compass, I think they called it, at school.
He'd been detention.
He would call grown women bitches at school.
So this kid, this Syrian refugee that had threatened to rape Bailey's sister had had all of these altercations at school that the media never reported.
The media never, Piers Morgan didn't send anybody out to investigate that.
They just went with the headline because it suits their narrative that all the refugees are good and white man bad narrative.
That's what the media wanted to portray.
Well, it turns out it was actually the refugee who was not, who had really provoked Bailey by threatening his sisters and all of these goings on, but the media chose to bully young Bailey.
And so after all that was discovered, the case goes to court.
And after the trial or during the trial, towards the end of the trial, Tommy brings in five witnesses who all attested to what I just told you about this Syrian refugee.
The young Syrian refugee had nobody as witnesses, right?
The judge in the case said that all five witnesses were lying and the only one telling the truth was this Syrian refugee.
And so he awarded Tommy because it was a civil suit against Tommy because of Tommy's reporting.
They awarded whatever the, I believe it was 100,000 pounds is what the kid was awarded in damages.
And they said Tommy cannot play his film silent.
And I think there was also, I think it might have been 100 or yeah, 100,000, but then it was also the costs were like way over that.
It was like 1.6 million total pounds.
But I think the award was actually only 100,000 when they saw it.
It was in the millions, as I understand it.
But then, so the judge says Tommy can't play the film.
Well, I was at the demo when Tommy played the film and decided, you know what, I'm going to get the truth out there.
I'm not going to let Bailey's reputation be tarnished forever.
I think he's going to me.
I think his message to me that day going, bruv, I'm getting locked up.
Yeah, yeah.
And he knew what was going to happen.
And so that's what happened.
He played the film and then Elon Musk retweeted it.
And as of now, it's got, I believe, 162 million.
That's the Streisen effect.
They didn't want anyone to see it.
And the thing is, he genuinely now might be a bad time to ask him.
But once he actually gets out and gets past it, he's going to look back and he's going to say to, I know what he's going to say.
He's going to say he would do it again.
Because obviously, that's what he wanted.
He wanted people to see the truth.
And it's insane.
The idea that so many of these commentators, like Piers Morgan, who say, who refuse to say that it's a political persecution, that they sit on the technicalities of it.
No, this was contempt of court.
Yes, it was contempt of court.
Now let's break down what was the contempt of court?
Why was he in contemporary court?
Why did he choose to play that film?
Well, let's look at this ridiculous trial where you said five witnesses were all lying and the one Syrian refugee was telling the truth.
But it's like even forget that.
Let's pretend.
Let's pretend the judge was right and all Tommy's mates and all Tommy's witnesses and everyone is wrong.
And it's just that one.
It was a video showing, you know, footage of people who didn't realize they were being filmed speaking what the truth.
You know, they didn't have a reason to lie.
They didn't.
They hadn't signed an they didn't know that he was being filled.
So the NDA didn't matter.
Like all these people just saying how they feel.
Why shouldn't the public be allowed to see that?
Not even in Tommy's defense.
In Bailey's defense.
Why would the Sheriff County Council pay $250,000 for all the staff to sign NDAs and not talk about what they knew about this boy if they were all telling the truth?
To me, that's kind of the nail in the coffin.
If you're paying people to be quiet, then you're guilty, period.
End of story.
Yeah, you're paying to be quiet.
And it just, it's insane to me that the mainstream media, the only reason they went so, the two reasons why they went so hard in order to protect the boy and ignore any evidence saying anything else.
So the evidence being footage of people that were there, people that know the boy, people that witnessed what the boy did, people not on the stand, people in their natural place, telling you actually, like it's pretty crazy, what really happened that, that you know what?
And the reason why they didn't stand up for Bailey and they stood up for the refugee is firstly, the identity politics of it.
The Syrian refugee is always going to be innocent.
The white British?
I don't know they don't do that.
They don't call them colonizers there, do they?
Because it's the only place they didn't colonize.
Colonizers in Britain yeah, and And here too, yeah.
No, no, yeah.
In America, I imagine they do.
No, no, they call them in the UK, in the UK too.
I hear them call them colonizers, you know, white people.
Okay, so they can't.
The white British boy can't be innocent.
It has to be, and that's the narrative.
And the fact that Tommy Robinson has gone out to bat for him, it makes it all worse.
And they will not stand up for this kid.
And I, like, in that period.
He was around us all day.
This Bailey, like he was a nice kid.
He was heartbroken.
He was torn.
He was in shock by what had happened, as in how he was being portrayed as the big evil bully when really he had come to the defense of not only his family, but also there was a long history in the school that he was saying that of this one Syrian kid.
So Tommy got 18 months and he has to serve nine.
Is that right?
That's right.
Because in Great Britain, they only have to serve half the sentence.
But I don't know if you've seen or not.
Did you see the deal with the sentencing guidelines they want now in Great Britain?
Have you seen that?
Where they want to base the sentencing.
The sentencing guidelines are based on the ethnicity of the perpetrator.
So basically, if you're non-white, then you would get less of a sentence.
The sentencing guidelines would be different than if you were a white person.
Have you seen that?
No, you've got to be.
No, it's getting really bad, man.
It's getting real.
So they have these new sentencing guidelines they want in the UK.
They want ethnic groups, non-whites, to have different sentencing guidelines.
So you would get lesser charge, lesser punishment, lesser penalties if you're non-white now in the United Kingdom.
From all the articles and all the examples I've seen, that's the case.
That's what they want to pass.
Where have you seen that?
I feel like this is, I want to see that.
If that is fair to income, if that is real, that is taking.
No, that's real.
That's real.
I mean, they're trying, that hasn't passed yet, but that's what they're trying to get.
It's a bill.
It's a bill in front of Parliament at the moment.
So they're trying to push.
And who is it?
Do you know who's pushing that?
Labor.
No, I don't have that off the top of my head who the exact person is.
But yeah, it's both sides would support it.
Yeah, it's getting really bad.
You know, the lawfare in general is really bad.
If you look at what they're doing to just the general population and the people there, you know, putting people in jail.
One guy was complaining about Palestinian flags and they came and got him and threw him in jail.
So many different things.
One guy was yelling at a police dog.
They threw him in jail.
Another guy made another post on Facebook.
They threw him in jail.
Someone was criticizing the prime minister.
I believe it was the prime minister.
They came to the house and questioned him just for, you know, basically, I guess, denigrating the prime minister online.
It's really Gestapo type stuff that's happening in the UK right now, man.
I've never seen anything like it from a supposed free Western country.
But it's happening in the UK.
It really is.
To your point.
To your point, you can, if you, all those examples you just gave are white people, but you can be a brown anti-Jew, like a Jew-hating terrorist supporting immigrant that's marching the streets in Great Britain, terrorizing people.
In fact, you saw during those Southport riots, you know, you saw one way of dealing with the, I guess, the hooligans that were fighting or attacking the...
But then when you saw gangs of Muslim men, armed gangs of Muslim men committing acts of violence, the cops were like, all right, guys, everybody, if you just put down your weapons, you can go home now.
Everybody's going to be in trouble.
Yeah, it's, you know, I saw recently the people that they're letting out.
You've talked about Muslims.
One Muslim guy molested a 14-year-old girl, got no jail time because he was the only English speaker in his family.
And the judge didn't want the family to suffer without their English-speaking patriarch.
So he didn't get jail time.
Another guy was an illegal immigrant, and he didn't know any better.
He didn't know it's against the law to rape or molest young girls.
So he got off scot-free.
There's several, actually a lot of examples of guys being let off who are non-white just for just ridiculous reasons like I just mentioned.
But yeah, it's definitely a two-tier justice system.
And what they're they're trying to codify a two-tier justice system with these new sentencing guidelines.
So yeah, I recommend you look that up for sure when you and I get off here.
But it's crazy, man, what they're trying to do over there now.
So back to Tommy before we wrap up.
When was the last time you spoke to him?
I haven't, the last voicemail I got from him was, no, actually, I did speak to him.
I get this.
I spoke, he called his son when I was in London a few weeks ago.
Yeah, this was your fault.
Exactly.
Well, his son, he says, no, well, it was actually Tommy's ID.
He said, let me talk to Don.
He said, you want to talk to him?
He said, yeah.
So I said, who is?
I didn't even know who it was.
His son said, he said, he wants to talk to you.
I said, who is that?
He says, dad.
I was like, what?
So I was like, oh, my God, I was so excited to talk to you about it.
Because for context, you were banned from talking to him because you were considered somebody with a social media following.
Unexpected Call00:04:26
Well, yeah, I guess I should have led with that backstory.
Explain this to people because this has been a big thing that I've never seen anywhere else.
And then bring it to what happened with you.
So what is this whole NDA and what's happening with anybody?
Who are they stopping?
Tell us that.
So the NDA is for anybody with any sort of social media presence.
So if they obviously, through the letters we write, Tommy, and the communications, they kind of get a feel for who we are and they research us and investigate us.
And this guy's got a social media, so he's going to have to sign this NDA.
So I was good with that.
I was prepared to sign the NDA.
What does the NDA say?
You can't talk about anything you hear in the meeting when you visit with Tommy.
You can't talk about anything he says to you, what goes on, what you see, any of that.
So you have to, you can't.
Well, I have a theory myself about that since I have to.
Can I explain to you why they don't tell you that?
From what I understand, it's just because they don't want you to know.
I feel like, and other people have told me, they feel like it's because could be one, what he looks like, what their treatment of him is, and whatever he could say about what the goings on in that prison, his treatment, and all of these things.
I think they just don't want it getting out.
And I've heard he's lost a lot of weight.
So I'm sure that's unsettling for people who see him as well.
So I can only imagine it would have to do with, because he can't get messages out only through letters that they dictate or that they inspect before they, so they know what kind of communications he's getting out.
So it can't be really much to do with his communication.
But if you see what's going on there, that's a whole different story than you can witness with your own eyes.
So I just think they don't want people knowing what he looks like and how he's being treated because they've already taken, actually took the guy's food away from him for a week.
I think it's canteen privileges, they call them.
And he had to eat tuna from a can for a full week as punishment for some phone call or something.
You got, I can't remember the details of that, but it had to do with someone he talked to.
So anyway, I was prepared to go to London.
There happened to be a demo the week we had planned to go see him, but my purpose, my main purpose of going over to London was to visit with him.
Well, as I'm about to get on the plane on my way to the airport, I get a letter and an email that says, we're sorry you're not going to be able to see Tommy at this time.
Yada, yada, yada.
And I'm like, what are you talking about?
And they basically said, because of my social media is what they told me.
It was like, I wasn't going to be busy.
I was like, what are you talking about?
It's about your social media presence.
Exactly.
And I was going to sign the NDA.
So I've already got the ticket.
I can't, no refund that late in the game.
So I flew to London because I was going to go to the demo anyway.
And I was asked to speak at the demonstration.
So, yeah, I was prepared to go over there.
And they told me I couldn't see, but I'm not the only one they've done that to.
They've done that to several people.
So that very same weekend, and this was probably Tommy's way of getting to speak to me and letting me know that he appreciates me coming over there, even though my visit was declined.
I was having dinner with his son and some friends.
And son gets a call.
He says, he's talking for me.
I was really even paying attention to his son.
And he's talking.
He says, here, and he gives me the, I said, who is that?
He says, dad.
And so, yeah, I couldn't believe it.
And I was, and that's the thing I know they took his privileges away because his son let him talk to me on the telephone.
They took his son's privileges away, phone privileges away.
I mean, how horrendous is that?
And his son's wife's got to be because he let him talk to me.
His son's got to be like 13, 40.
How was it?
I really don't want to say, but yeah, he's.
Yeah, he's young.
And they took his privilege.
I think the reason why the age matters is you're not talking about a big boy.
You're talking about a kid.
Yeah, a young kid.
He's definitely a young kid.
Yeah, he's definitely a young kid.
And yeah, they took it away from him because he, and what did he say to you on that phone?
He just asked me how it was and told me he appreciated me coming over and sorry he didn't get to see me and sorry for everything that happened.
Don't you love it?
He's apologizing to you that you can't.
Like it was his fault.
It was really an emotional phone call for me, man.
Nigel Farage's Controversy00:15:21
I'll be honest with you.
I got really emotional just thinking, you know, you know, him there rotting in that jail cell.
Do you reckon you can do it?
I just, I don't think I could ever, I don't think I could survive a tenth of a hundredth of what he's been through.
And even just in the last season.
I don't think you really have a choice.
I don't think you have a choice.
I think you probably, I think a situation like that probably would bring it out of you.
I would do what I had to do to get back to my family, that's for sure.
I'm not going to let them get the phone.
I would want to for sure, but I'm going to do what I got to do, man.
I'm going to do what I got to do.
And then I'm going to come out rip roaring and try to get back at him the best way I can.
And I know that's what he's going to do too.
People can say what they want, but he's going to come out fighting, I guarantee you.
And he's going to come out.
Look, I know that side of it.
It's a painful time.
And I know him.
He will survive it at the end of the day, especially knowing that so many people on the outside like you.
And, you know, thank you for doing that.
But the fact that there are people standing up on the outside and he knows that they haven't forgotten him.
In fact, think about it.
Before he went in, before he went in, he was trying to garner the attention of somebody like Elon Musk.
Over a long period of time.
I'm talking about like before Tommy was allowed back on X, he kept reminding me, tweet Elon today.
Let him, like, you know, we were campaigning to have him back on.
And it was funny because a lot of the people, I'm not going to name him, a lot of the people who, as soon as Elon got on the Tommy bandwagon, they were the same people who.
Paying for his defense now.
I mean, you know.
But the same people who in that period where I was going out every like, you know, I don't know, maybe once a week, we tweeted something to Elon, like, you know, making the case for bringing him back onto the platform.
And the same people that would tell me, you know, and I would ask, I would ask them to retweet.
Come on, like, try.
And they'd be like, no, he actually broke the rules.
You know, they were Elon, they were suck up Elon fans.
I'm not going to name anyone, but they were.
And they told me that Elon's decision was justified because Tommy had actually broken the Twitter rules.
And then suddenly now I see that those same people, they have no shame.
You see, that's the opposite of Tommy Robinson.
Those same people have no shame because as soon as Elon Musk finally Tommy, which happened to be from getting jailed and everything that happened, as soon as he caught Elon's attention and now Elon's, yes, he's paying for his defense and, or at least part like for the defense in that thing.
But as soon as Elon did that, now suddenly these people are rallying behind, which is great.
I'm not going to, I'm not, you know what?
It's probably the one reason why I won't call him out because all support to Tommy.
He deserves it.
He deserves it all.
He deserves everything.
And, you know, there was a moment there with when Nigel, so when Elon first started supporting Tommy and then Nigel Farage was like kind of hitting back from a real condescending, pompous Nigel Farage position of, yeah, I will educate Elon when I get to, I think he was saying, when he gets to America for the inauguration.
And I thought that night, I thought, did you ever, do you remember that?
When Nigel first, when Nigel first reacted to Elon's support, do you remember that?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it was like, it was, it was just so arrogant.
It was so typical Nigel Farage.
I went head to head once with Nigel Farage going about Tommy Robinson.
Really?
It was in Australia.
Nigel Farage had a tour in Australia and I was invited by the promoters to come and interview him.
All right.
But I wasn't going to sit in that.
Like I, Nigel Farage does a lot of great work.
Let's not pretend like he does.
He does.
I'm just not going to sit in a two-hour Nigel Farage blowing, smoke up his own ass for two hours and then talk to him.
So I went upstairs.
I don't know if you know this girl, Sidney Watson, who's she's now in the States.
I don't think so.
She's an Australian American.
She lives in Texas now.
But anyways, we went up to the rooftop bar and I just got, I was, you know, I just did what we do.
We had a few drinks.
And so by the time that, and the guys called me, they go, oh, he's coming out now.
And I was half sloshed.
I was slurring.
Anyway, I interviewed Nigel and I was the first one that was given the interview with Nigel backstage, right?
And all the other, it was like all mainstream media and then like alternative media, all trying to get in a quick word.
And I was the first.
And I got him so angry when I started like pushing him on like Tommy and I can't remember exactly.
It was for TR News, I'm pretty sure.
But it was about, you know, also the jihadi threat and he lost it.
He stormed out and he wouldn't do anyone else's interview.
Like he was such a, he was such a coward and so weak.
And I, that day I lost so much respect for him.
What I learned that day was that Nigel Farage will always play it safe.
And this whole, like when he came out and attacked and said to Elon, yes, I will educate Elon because he doesn't know.
It is absolutely, it has been the whole time of Nigel playing it safe, even though he knows so much of his base, so much of that base supports Tommy Robinson.
And Tommy was pushing to vote for Nigel and all that.
But then I thought that night, I wonder how Elon's going to react.
Like, is Elon going to backtrack or is he going to just go quiet?
I don't think it took Elon very long to figure out Nigel Farage and what kind of person he is.
I think that Elon bets on the person, not the organization.
I think Elon still feels like reform is probably the UK's best bet right now, but I think it's going to have to be, I think he said as much in a tweet.
It'd have to be, if he was going to back reform, it'd have to be without Nigel Farage as the head.
I don't think Nigel's going to give that up.
I was going to play, I don't know if you can, this guy, I found this today.
You know how Nigel's going to be able to do it?
What is it a video?
Yeah, it's a video.
I'm going to just play.
See if you can hear the question.
Dave is carrying a story about one of your aides and colleagues, George Cottrell, who has a conviction for wire fraud in the America and has been named in another criminal investigation in Montenegro.
Do you want him by your side on the campaign trail?
I firstly always stand by my friends.
And secondly, there is a thing called Christian forgiveness.
If people get convicted of something or do something wrong, well, they have another chance in life and to go on and prove themselves.
Mr. Farage.
What a hypocrite.
What a hypocrite.
All this time, Nigel Farage says he, this is a guy who bankrolls him, by the way.
This guy paid $15,000 for Nigel to go visit with Elon Musk.
That's who this guy is that he's offering this Christian forgiveness for.
But what does he say about Tommy Robinson and his convictions?
Reform wants nothing to do with him.
He wants nothing to do with him because of his prior convictions.
But this guy who's bankrolling him, he doesn't have a problem offering him that Christian forgiveness.
That's the kind of guy Nigel Farage is.
And I think that's what Elon Musk found out about him, is that he's all about Nigel Farage.
He's all about the money and what somebody can do for him.
So that's who Nigel Farage is.
I agree with you.
And I think, and it was even more delicious that it happened.
It played out the way it played out because he was a test.
And it was a test on Elon Musk.
Is he somebody that's going to stand by principle on this issue?
Or is he going to play it safe because Nigel Farage is like in the inner circle, I guess, of the Trump.
But he didn't care.
He actually, he turned around and gave Nigel the treatment he deserves and made the point of like, mate, don't be condescending about it.
I know technically it is contempt of court.
We're not dumb.
Just because he's been convicted of contempt of court, that doesn't mean we can't ask more questions.
And it doesn't mean just because of the reporters were talking to him.
He was like, oh, don't worry about Elon.
I'm going to go over there.
I'm going to educate him on why Tommy is really in prison.
That stupid rocket maker.
I mean, he thinks, Elon, that he's smarter than Elon Musk.
He's smarter than Elon Musk.
Elon Musk doesn't realize that if you're convicted of contempt of court, that it can in no way be a political prosecution, persecution.
It is that it's 100% kosher.
And the backstory just doesn't matter.
That doesn't matter.
And Elon doubled down and Elon made some fantastic points besides the fact that it is a political, it was political persecution.
And they were clearly going from that.
In what world is contempt of court justification for locking somebody up in isolation for nine months?
We saw what isolation did to Tommy Larson.
But in what world does that make any sense for a video, for posting a video that people can make up their own minds about with evidence that the court just didn't want to get out?
It's an insane story, the whole thing.
And you saw the, I don't know if you saw this most recent report from Tommy's team, the clinical psychologist did an evaluation of Tommy.
It doesn't look good.
She diagnosed him with several different conditions, ADHD, PTSD, hypervigilance, guilt, some sort of, what is it called?
Traumatic sleep disruption, social withdrawal, subjective sense of mental collapse, all these different things she's diagnosed with him.
And she says it's mental torture.
This is from this clinical psychologist.
It says it's mental health.
You know what?
I met Tommy when he came out last time, and that was, I think, only 90 days.
And he was a different man.
It took months for him to bounce back.
And to be honest, I don't think he ever fully recovered from that.
No, he still has PTSD from it.
I can tell you that.
He'll tell you that himself.
And I just, you know, you can see that if you're ever with him for any amount of time, you can sort of see the issues.
So I'm very worried about him, man, because he's been there too long.
You know, I don't know if you know this, but the international guidelines for solitary confinement are 15 days.
That's the UN Mandela rule.
It's the ECHR, European Commission on Human Rights.
That's a violation of both those.
It's a violation of the UK's own, I've looked at the UK's own prison policies.
It's 15 days.
But the, what's her name?
Secretary of Corrections, I believe they call her in the UK.
I can't remember her exact name, but she has to sign off.
I believe it's every 15 days.
I could be wrong about that, but she has to sign off, or somebody from her department has to sign off on that, so that they can keep extending him into this solitary confinement ever so many.
How often it is.
They have to sign off because they're breaking so many and because it's a, it's a violation of his human rights.
First off.
I mean that's, that's un policy there.
Echr is a violation of human rights.
But yet apparently human rights don't apply to Tommy Robins and they continue to violate his human human rights.
So um, and there's been so many uh, you know, psychologists and psychiatrists who've done these different investigations and evaluations and assessments of what solitary confinement does to a human being, and all of all of what this clinical psychologist is diagnosed with is evidence of that in Tommy.
He's experiencing that right now.
And they continue to torture this man uh, and they're not only torturing him with the solitary confinement, but they're just they're.
They're twisting the knife, you know, by taking visitations away from his friends, the phone, the phone from his son.
Son can't even talk to him.
I know his ex-wife, they took some of her privileges for a while too, other friends.
So they're just doing whatever they can to torture the guy.
And, you know, and now they've got him coming up on these terrorism charges this month.
As a matter of fact, he has to answer for those under this ridiculous terrorism act, which is a lot like our Patriot Act that was supposed to be to protect us from terrorism, but they actually used it to go against the citizens.
I'm sure you guys have something similar.
They all came about around the time of 9-11.
I actually think the UK came out before 9-11 and that whole terrorism thing.
They're trying to, I mean, they know Tommy's not a terrorist, but because of this Terrorism Act, if you come in in any port of entry, whether it be trains, planes, tunnels, anywhere across the border, ports of entry, they can stop you.
And in this terrorism act, it says I can stop you and ask you for your phone.
It doesn't matter if you're a journalist, doesn't matter if you work.
And you're supposed to have freedom of the press in the UK as part of their law as well.
So what we have here is two conflicting laws.
And I guess what we have to ask is which one of these are going to play out because with this terrorism act, they can say you have to give me your phone and you have to give me the passcode to that phone.
And if you don't, we can charge you under the Terrorism Act.
And so what did Tommy do, being the type of person that he is with the sources he has on his phone?
You think about who his sources may be and all the young girls who are victims of Muslims.
Muslims are heavily inundated in the justice system in the UK.
He gives up his phone.
He gives up these girls' sources, their locations, their phone numbers.
And so all these people have access to them to get retribution for these young girls that have turned in all these people who have, you know, these rape gang heads of these rape gangs and people in these rape gangs who committed these atrocities against them.
If Tommy gives over his phone to these authorities, he's risking these girls' lives.
And that's what these people asked him to do and he refused.
And now they're trying to charge him under the Terrorism Act and give him more jail time.
And this is one of the ones that Elon's backing.
Is that right?
Or is that not one of the ones?
Yes.
Yes.
That's one of the ones.
And I think the other is to get him out of his solitary confinement.
It's very hard to charge.
Yeah, I know he's paying for, I believe it's two, possibly three.
Someone said three.
I'm not 100% about the third.
I know for a fact on two fronts, Elon is helping him with the defense there.
Well, thank goodness for Elon.
And thank you.
I really like Elon Musk.
I think he's a godsend, especially I know for Tommy, and I think all around the world he is what he's done with Starlink and helping people, but for sure in American politics, what he did for the Trump campaign.
Reading Comments00:03:56
Maybe you and I on some other phone call.
We can talk about Trump and all that good stuff.
I know you're running out of time, but yeah.
We'll have to do that.
It's been great with you.
Yeah, man.
That's been a lot of fun.
I really enjoyed it.
Thank you for having me on.
Where can people find you before I let you go?
Yeah, at RealDon Keith on X. That's my main platform.
The Real Beef Don Keith on Facebook.
I'm also at RealDon Keith on Instagram.
So at RealDon Keith on Instagram and X are probably my two biggest, but really X is where I stay.
Mate, good night.
Well, I'll catch you next time and keep up the good work.
Yeah, I can't, did you and I have not met in person, I don't think, have we?
I know I've seen you at some of the events, and I think you were at one of the demos.
What year?
I haven't been for a while.
He bugs me every time.
You weren't at one this year.
No, no, no, no.
I've got to say, I hate London more than most things.
And it's very far for us.
So for me to get to London, it's a 24, and I've done, I've done it.
I used to go a lot with, especially when I worked with him.
And there was one time because it's about 25, 26, between 25 to 30 hours, depends on the route you take.
And so I was, you know, I think I got 25 or 26 hours there, maybe 20, 28 hours back.
And I was only on the ground for about 20 hours.
It was the most painful experience of my life.
And it's not like you're rocking up to the Greek islands or something where you're getting a relaxing fun.
No, it's you're out in what feels like Islamabad when you land.
And then it's like a protest or something like that that you're covering.
It was insane.
But I did spend when he ran as an MEP, his MEP campaign, I was there for, I think, about a month.
We were all caught up in the world.
What year was that?
I can't remember.
What year was that?
That would have been 2019, I reckon.
2019.
I was going to say that.
Oh, I think in 19.
Yeah, 2019.
We were there for like a month, maybe more.
It was wild.
It was fun.
There's lots of old videos of me there.
Just following him and dealing with people's reactions around him definitely was eye-opening.
But yeah, there's so much more to talk about besides for him.
But I thought it was important to introduce you to our audience for the thing that I think that you're doing the most great.
You know, everybody could talk about Trump.
Not many people that have been around Tommy so closely in recent times can talk about him.
So I rather have you on to talk about those things than Trump, because Trump I could talk about all day anyways, because it's just so much fun what's happening.
Yeah, thank you.
Thank you, Arby.
Take care.
Till next time.
See ya.
See you, brother.
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