Sheila Gunn-Reid and Chris Sims of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation (CTF) expose CBC’s $750M in undisclosed bonuses and ad spending, despite FOI requests, while criticizing Heritage Minister Pascal Saint-Ange for equating opposition to "unpatriotism." Their lawsuit targets taxpayer-funded journalism’s lack of transparency, with CTF’s waste.com campaign revealing Trudeau’s $2M Global Affairs grant for Cambodian cricket farming—dismissed by Gunn-Reid as a globalist health control scheme. Public petitions at taxpayer.com aim to pressure politicians on carbon taxes, gun grabs, and DEI policies, framing accountability as essential for democratic resilience. [Automatically generated summary]
Canada's Heritage Minister thinks you might be a bad Canadian if you believe in defunding the CBC.
I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed, and you're watching The Gunn Show.
Opinions don't represent the majority of Canadians, but if he wins a majority government, I think that statement might be tested.
So how is this plan worth more than the paper that it's written on if you can't enshrine it?
There's no parliament and there's no way to actually get this through.
Well, this is why it's so important for me to complete my mandate letter by proposing this very clear plan for the future of the CBC, because it's now or never the time for any person who wants to be the next prime minister to commit to making sure that we have a viable public broadcaster for the next century.
And there's going to be a leaders debate next week for who's going to be the next leader of the Liberal Party, who's going to be the next prime minister of Canada.
And I think it's important that we stop talking about defunding or funding CBC and we talk about a vision and a plan for the future of the CBC, what it could mean for Canadians, especially at a time where we know that our means of communications are controlled in most parts by tech billionaire oligarchs in the United States.
More than ever, it's important for Canadians to be able to rely on their own sources of information made by and for Canadians.
Radio Canada CBC has been there for the past hundred years through conservative and liberal governments.
It is more relevant than ever in the current context to have and to be able to rely on a public service media.
And to not understand that reality shows the lack of understanding of the global context that we're in.
And it shows the lack of love for our own country and for the fact that we need to be able to tell our own stories in our own way.
And Radzo Canada CBC will never be controlled by Musk, Zuckerberg, or any other private billionaire tech oligarch.
That right there is Canada's Heritage Minister, Pascal Saint-Ange.
And yes, I do believe in saying her name in the most obnoxious way until one of us is no longer on the face of the earth.
Because what she said is pretty darn obnoxious.
She is questioning your commitment to your own country.
Why?
Well, if you believe that there are better ways to spend billions of Canadian tax dollars than on a failing state broadcaster that nobody watches.
So we're going to discuss that today with my friend Chris Sims, who herself is a former broadcast journalist and now the Alberta director of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation, but that's not all we're talking about.
Budget Day tomorrow in Alberta.
We're talking about the Liberal leadership contestants and their fast and loose ideas about the carbon tax and so much more.
Take a lesson.
So joining me now is Good Friend of the Show and my good friend Chris Sims.
She's the Alberta director of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation and we've got a lot to talk about.
The Alberta budget is coming up.
We're filming this on Wednesday.
It'll go out Wednesday night.
Most of us suffered through the Liberal leadership debate last night.
If you're still alive, Mark Carney didn't drink all of your life force.
We've got a Canadian Taxpayers Federation lawsuit against the CBC and the suggestion by a minister of the crown that you are a bad citizen if you think that journalists should not be paid by the government.
Chris, it's a real packed pierogi of the show today.
Let's talk about the liberal leadership debate last night.
Three of the four on the stage talked about canceling the carbon tax.
Karina Gould hasn't gotten the memo that people find the carbon tax unpopular.
But the other three, they're not really canceling the carbon tax.
They're hiding it, aren't they?
Yeah, big time.
And it took forever.
I did watch the entire thing.
Franco Terrazano and I were texting back and forth while we were all over Twitter.
I will point out, first off, it took them nearly an hour to get to anything.
It felt like five hours.
I know it felt like it was like dog ears watching it.
So it took them about an hour to get to anything remotely affecting the affordable life for Canadians, the cost of living for Canadians.
The first hour felt like I was watching some rerun of BBC World.
Like, you know, one of kind of the alternate shows too.
Like I wasn't even covering like Europe.
It was covering like more boring stuff.
So droning on and on about foreign affairs when literally half of Canadians now are within 200 bucks of not being able to pay their bills, meaning half of Canadians are broke.
Like they don't have enough money to buy stuff here in Canada.
But there they went, droning on and on.
And it's easy to understand why, because the vast majority of the people who were standing on that stage were current or former cabinet ministers and or global bureaucrats, excuse me, who've been overpaid now for years.
So they don't notice when peanut butter is $9 a jar.
Like they don't get that stuff, but it was still really incriminating.
So when they finally get to the carbon tax, you're bang on.
Karina Gould's the only one who isn't saying she's going to hide the carbon tax.
And I want folks to listen carefully if they go back, go back and listen to Carney carefully.
The disdain he has for people who want to scrap the carbon tax is rolling off of him.
He said, oh, they've got the hat.
They've got the t-shirt.
Yeah, we've got the bumper sticker too.
Does that bother you there, Mark?
So he is not going to scrap it.
He's going to hide it from you so that you can't see it on your home heating bill.
You will still get screwed by this cost.
He's just going to keep it secret.
The other element here, which blows my mind, is that he actually thinks that he is going to make big businesses pay this huge, cranked up industrial carbon tax.
And it won't have any effect on what's happening in Canada.
I just wanted to do a little thought process.
Okay.
So picture Trump.
He's in the Oval Office.
He's on the phone.
He loves making deals.
He's on the phone talking to fertilizer plants and steel manufacturers.
He's, come here, come do business here.
Set up shop in Ohio and Pennsylvania and Michigan.
Like make the Rust Belt chrome again.
Imagine him talking to these international mucky mucks of these companies who have locations here in Canada.
And at the same time, they're on the phone, Fox News business pops up.
Canada is imposing massive industrial carbon taxes on fertilizer plants and steel manufacturers.
Like you would be able to hear the whoops of joy coming from that Oval Office across the Potomac River.
Like this is so crazy.
If folks are so worried about Trump stealing our jobs and industry, maybe we should stop strangling our own industries here in Canada and chasing them out.
It's just an idea.
Yeah, they're just sending Canadian business into the loving bosom of Donald Trump.
He's like, get over here, you big lugs.
They're taxing you and they don't appreciate you.
I know how to love you.
No carbon tax here.
No carbon tax, lower taxes, lower regulations, access to export markets.
There was also something I wanted to talk to you about.
I don't know if you watched the French language debate.
I tried.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It was actually painful, and I don't speak much French, but it was painful even me listening to it.
I actually found Mark Carney more palatable in French.
I like the translator better than the auditory abuse of his monotone in English.
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But there was a point at which the moderator asked, Hey, what's the average cost of a week's worth of groceries for a Canadian family of four?
And Mark Carney was completely unable to answer that question because he's so rich it doesn't matter.
And I'm not convinced he's buying a lot of groceries in Canada, if you know what I mean, between his three passports, his house in Manhattan and his house in the UK.
I don't know how much time he actually spends in Ottawa, but it reminded me of that meme from Arrested Development where Lucille Bluth is like, it's just a banana, Michael.
How much could it cost?
$10?
Like, it's completely checked out from what normal people have to pay at all.
Big time.
So I found that so interesting.
And it would have been more effective if this had happened in the English debate, but I noticed they kind of skipped that.
The short answer is: the current average family of four spends about $323 per week on groceries.
For my family, which is a family of four, that checks out.
It's also being pretty careful.
That's not including things like vitamins or extra health food supplements if you care about your kids' health.
It doesn't include like surprise, mom, I have to go to a birthday party tomorrow, like any of those expenses.
To me, shopping for the same things I always do, mostly meat and dairy and some vegetables, things like that.
Yeah, $323 for four people that checks out.
Yeah.
And he had no clue.
Like some of them said $200, some of them said $300.
And yeah, that's just a standard family of four.
I've got six people under my roof most days with my in-laws here.
And then, of course, an adult son who does a lot of grocery shopping in my fridge, as my kids tend to do from time to time.
But yeah, I mean, completely, these people are completely checked out from reality.
And see, this is why this is important, because like I mentioned off the top, half of Canadians are broke.
Right.
That is the highest that number has ever been.
So MNP, so for people to understand, MNP, it's kind of like a financial clearinghouse where they do a lot of financial analysis.
They're international.
Okay.
And every, I think it's every six months or so, they do a survey where they ask people about their means, meaning how much money they have to cover expenses.
And the question usually is something like this: Are you within $200 of being able to not be insolvent, meaning make your minimum payments on your bills?
And usually that number of yes, I'm this close to the brink fluctuated around high 30s, low 40s, okay, for most of the time.
Now, after 10 years of inflation and cranked up carbon taxes and terrible government spending, it is 50%, half of the country, which is an astonishing number.
And so it was really important to point out that Mark Carney stayed mute when they asked that question of how much does the average Canadian family spend on a week's worth of groceries.
And the reason why this is important is because that means he's disconnected from the normal costs of living for normal people.
Meaning, he won't notice or care if he cranks up the carbon tax because he won't understand the pain he's inflicting.
The late, great Margaret Thatcher always insisted that her cabinet ministers, gentlemen, knew how much a jug of milk cost.
She was adamant about this.
And that was because she wanted them to be connected to working people.
And she, of course, was famously raised above the shop.
Her father was a shopkeeper.
So this is why that question was vital.
I really hope this comes up during the election campaign, if we ever get one.
Yeah, if we ever get one.
I wanted to talk to you about staying on the topic of government spending.
The Alberta budget drops tomorrow.
I've heard some buzz about a tax break from Rick Bell.
Tell us what your expectations are for this.
Yes, so to set the stage for folks who aren't here in Alberta, Premier Daniel Smith, leader of the UCP party, campaigned on an income tax cut.
Now that can sound boring, but it's not because it's a lot of money.
So she campaigned during the election on reducing the lowest income tax bracket from 10% down to 8% for the first $60,000 worth of earnings.
And normal people talk, basically if you move here and you're a police officer or a plumber, right, like a tradesman professional type person, you will notice likely that your pay actually goes down if you move here from BC.
That's because actually the Alberta income tax bracket at the low end is kind of high.
It's 10%, like all the way up to $140 something thousand dollars worth of earnings.
So they noticed this gladly, and then they campaigned on a tax cut for all Albertans.
So what this will do, if they make good on this promise and they have to, it will save the average Alberta worker about $750 each.
If you're in a two-person working family, that's more than $1,500 of savings per year.
To put that into perspective, we were just talking about groceries.
That would cover more than a month's worth of big Saturday grocery shopping for a family of four, a month.
You could rent, I was looking on Kijiji in that last night.
You could rent a two-bedroom apartment in Calgary for that amount of money.
That would cover a month's rent.
So this is nothing to sneeze at, this tax cut.
And so they've been pushing it back and pushing it back.
But Rick Bell got a great scoop in his son column and said it's happening.
And I've been told it's happening.
So this has got to have to happen at the budget on Thursday.
The other element that we are calling for as a taxpayers federation is to keep that budget balanced.
So here in Alberta, we have balanced budget legislation.
But we did notice last budget, a year ago, their surplus was as thin as a kitten's whisker.
It was like this big.
And the debt was going up.
And I called them on it and they said, oh, we have to borrow from the capital side now in order to save money in the future because of some interest rate, blah, blah, blah, credit rating.
There was a big long song and dance coming from staff as to why that total debt number was going up in the budget, even though they said this is balanced and we have a little baby surplus.
I'm hearing things and we have told them you must balance this budget.
If they come back with the deficit, I'm going to be getting my Doge chainsaw out and saying, here's where you can cut next time and you don't need to worry about it.
All that said, we're in pretty darn good shape here in Alberta.
What we really love is their spending restraint rule, which is they can only increase spending.
Say in the budget they bump up spending.
It must be below the rate of inflation plus population growth from the year previous.
That sounds totally wonky and it is, but if they had done this back in the mid-90s when they first said they were going to, we would have more than 300 billion in the bank now.
Not including investment, not including interest, like stuffed under the mattress in bills, $300 billion, just from that bit of spending restraint.
So we are in good shape.
They're on the right track, but they must stay vigilant and focused because we know everybody's coming hat in hand saying spend more.
Yes.
And, you know, there's the side quest of what the debt actually does.
So it's not just, you know, like, oh, we've borrowed this money.
We've got to pay it down.
The interest on this debt, the debt servicing charges, I mean, it's hospitals worth of payments that we're just giving away to international banksters.
That's right.
So it is billions and billions and billions of dollars per year that is added that we have to pay.
And you're right.
Instead of that money staying here in Alberta, leading to tax cuts or better serve something, it is going to bond fund managers on Bay Street in Toronto.
So this is a major problem.
And right now, people might remember that beautiful picture of Premier Ralph Klein holding up paid in full.
We are so far past that now.
Our provincial debt is over $90 billion.
Yeah, it's pretty gross.
And so they must make that number go down and not up.
Otherwise, they cannot say they are balancing the budget.
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I will point out also, just as more inspiration for them, because this is like, you know, somebody talking you off the ledge.
Do they really want to start fiddling around with the budget saying it's balanced even though their spending is going up on the capital side and even though total debt is going up?
Because that sounds a lot like Mark Carney saying, I'm going to split the budget magically in two.
I'll balance the operating, but keep on spending like a drunken sailor on capital.
Money's money.
There's only one taxpayer and there's only one total debt and we are paying interest on that sucker.
Yeah, they get creative and cute.
But at the end of the day, it's money in, money out.
Same household.
Yeah.
That's right.
It is a very simple calculation at the end of the day.
Now, I wanted to ask you about this because this outraged you and it outraged me.
Canada's Heritage Minister, the lady in charge of the CBC, Pascal Stang.
She said that you are, and I guess by extension, me, because I believe the same thing, you are a bad Canadian.
If you do not believe that we should fund the CBC in perpetuity, if you believe that the government should not be paying journalists, you are unpatriotic.
Tell us.
So as a preface for people listening, I'm sorry for just rage tweeting you or rage texting you.
No, I love it.
You were probably on the air.
I'm just like texting you.
So I'm going through her announcement and I'm watching it live and I'm super mad.
And of course I text Sheila about it.
So thank you for listening.
So what the Heritage Minister, what the Heritage Minister did is she came out, people probably remember where we've been telling the CBC what we want them to do for the last year.
That was actually all part of an official process, believe it or not.
The Ministry of Heritage was on a listening tour about the CBC.
What are we supposed to do with it?
How much should we spend on it?
What should its mandate be?
All that jazz.
It's why.
What have they been listening to, though?
Were they listening The CBC head offices just going up and down the elevator going from cubicle to cubicle because it felt like they didn't talk to actual normal people again.
No, they sure didn't listen to us.
I think they were busy delivering like kale smoothies to like their friends in Toronto.
But this is why the Taxpayers Federation went to Ottawa and why I testified and my colleague Ryan Thorpe testified to defund the CBC for three main reasons because it's a huge waste of money.
Next to nobody is watching it and it is a conflict of interest for a journalist to be paid by the government.
Okay, three big ones.
CBC clearly didn't listen to that.
Heritage Minister did not give a flying kite about it.
So she came forward for her big presentation.
Here's what we shall do with the state broadcaster.
Number one, they want to give them a billion more dollars.
So annual funding of $2.5 billion.
Second, they want to remove all advertising from anything touching news.
So you know the little bit of money that they do make themselves, it's around 500 million per year.
You could run a radio network on that, by the way, but they won't because they don't want to.
She wants to get rid of that.
And she wants to make the CBC the official fact checkers for all Canadians.
The guys who said that the Freedom Convoy was some sort of Kremlin operation at least twice.
Yeah.
You shouldn't, no matter what, you should not let the government be your arbiter of truth.
That is a bad thing to do.
If it were a liberal government or a conservative government, don't let the bureaucrats and the politicians tell you what reality is.
That is very bad for democracy and for advocacy.
So those were the main things she said.
And then she got really vicious.
And this is what caused me to get mad because I obviously, and thousands of Canadian Taxpayers Federation supporters, want to defund the CBC for the reasons we have articulated.
And outside of the Taxpayers Federation, there are tons more people, of course, who want to defund the CBC for good reasons.
This minister, who is paid $300,000 per year to open her mouth and say stuff like this, said that if you want to defund the CBC, you cannot say that you love Canada.
So that made me pretty mad because number one, who is that bureaucrat, that desk ruler, to tell any Canadian whether or not he or she can say they love this country?
That is not her place.
Number one.
Number two, speaking personally, I love Canada.
Both sides of my family fought in the wars and they pioneered in this country to build wonderful lives for themselves and for their communities.
There is no way I'm taking marching orders from that woman as to whether or not I can say that I love Canada.
So I just felt a lot of anger on behalf of my family circle and my supporting circle of like CTF and like freedom type folks who I know love this country.
They might love it for different reasons than Pascal Santange loves it.
But this is what gets me, Sheila.
Even if I were having a disagreement with someone who loves listening to the CBC, I wouldn't dare tell them, well, you can't say that you love Canada then because you want a state broadcaster.
Can you imagine telling somebody that?
Like dictating their patriotism to them?
It's crazy that that is a measure of their that for the liberals.
That's a measure of your patriotism.
Yeah.
Like you could be civically involved, you know, volunteer in your community, serve in the military, be a police officer.
I don't know.
Grow the food that everybody eats.
But you are told that you are not a good Canadian by some hackneyed government bureaucrat making a mint that you're not a good Canadian, that you don't care about your fellow Canadian citizen.
It's bizarre.
And I hope that she gets shown the door when we eventually get that election we deserve.
Yeah, we need to defund the CBC.
It was one of those things where it was such a, usually we send out kind of a note to our supporters right away when big things like that drop.
But I was actually a bit too mad.
Yeah.
I'll just be honest with you, to write it.
So because we want to be happy warriors at the CTF and we want to keep people engaged and give them fellowship because they have enough to worry about.
We want to give them hope.
But I was frankly, I was too angry to write it.
So now that I've kind of simmered down a little bit, I can focus more on the money.
But the money here would just choke a horse.
The fact that they want to be less accountable and spend more taxpayers' money is astonishing.
Did you want to get to the lawsuit too?
That just reminded me.
Yeah, I'll get to that in a second because it's funny because for some reason, the CBC is against, or at least Pascal Saint-Dones is against taking in advertising dollars, but they're sure not against spending them.
But I wanted to just touch on, I don't know if you saw from Black Locks the other day, yesterday it was, where they won, CBC wants to make their journalists ride bikes.
I thought it was a joke.
No, no, no, no, it was real.
Blacklocks had the access to information documents where CBC says in an effort to be more environmentally conscious, we're going to make the peons who work at the company ride bikes.
Because I do not believe for a second that Rosie Barton is in the bike lane on her way to work with Andrew Coyne every day.
I don't believe that.
And I definitely don't believe that former CBC CEO Catherine Tate was taking a bike from New York where she actually lived or off to Paris where she charged us for her vacation.
It's just the journalists.
And I thought, you know, on some level, good.
I hope they do because they sure like to lecture the rest of us.
Oh, man.
And of course, can I just tell you a little inside baseball?
Of course, it is the lowly, you know, interns and the, you know, cub reporters, we used to call them back in the day, who they would, of course, tell to ride bikes.
Right.
Full disclosure, I worked within the CBC for about six weeks, even though it was not a good fit for me, to put it nicely.
I imagine.
Bit of a different animal.
They were professional and I didn't have any actual personal beef with any of them.
Like my manager was fine.
Everything was fine.
And so, and it was actually shortly after that that Sun News Network started.
So I was doing some contract work for them.
They were pleasant.
Okay.
Just straight up pleasant.
So this has nothing personal.
What's that?
Yeah.
Or BBC.
Exactly.
My wish to defund the CBC has nothing to do with that.
It actually has to do with, one, it's a huge waste of money.
And two, as a journalist, it is just like spiritually, morally, ethically wrong to be paid by the government.
Like you, you can't do that.
You cannot be on government payroll and hold government to account.
The fact that I need to express this out loud is kind of weird.
So this absolutely, they need to be defunded.
But just a little thing.
The CBC treats their kind of new younger employees pretty poorly compared to other media organizations.
I'm not going to name names, but there were senior people at the CBC who would speak to their producers and interns in the way that would shock you in the private sector.
And I've worked in tons of private sector newsrooms.
I mean, like, snapping in their face, saying, go get me a sandwich.
Like, never.
Yeah.
Like, legitimately looking at them saying, you're in my chair.
Like, not as a joke.
Like, it was that part astonished me.
Now, I never hell or heard any of that, but I saw it happening to younger people.
And this is one of the reasons why they do need to be defunded.
Because if there is like a kernel, a phoenix deep down in there somewhere, if they're removed from government funding, they will have to find that and they will have to be reborn on their own merit.
They'll have to do telethons.
They'll have to do fundraisers from people who truly want good journalism out of that shop.
And hey, they could do it if they actually plotted their course correctly.
Doesn't mean that a lot of your viewers would watch them, but at least they'd be on their own ticket.
And it would clear out a lot of that weird entitled waste of, hey, interns, you guys all need to bike while the executive makes half a million dollars a year.
I will point out they have a new executive now.
I have requested information to find out how much she is making because the previous one, Catherine Tate, was a CEO level seven, which means she makes about $500,000 per year.
With a huge bonus.
Yes.
Plus the bonus.
So as of right now, though, I don't know what level their new CEO is at.
She's also a former CBC type person.
So we'll see.
She could be lower, could be higher.
I will report back to you as soon as I find out.
What I thought was interesting about that bike story was that CBC found a way to also make it expensive.
They said, you know what we're going to do?
We're going to add bike shops, bike repair shops to the CBC offices so that while you're biking around with your camera gear on your back like some sort of two-wheeled Sherpa, we can fix your bike for you.
We'll hire bike mechanics and we'll just put them in the CBC offices.
No, yes, yes, read the story.
Okay.
I didn't, so I only saw the Canada Proud tweet, so I thought it was half a joke.
It was real worse than that.
This is going in my op-ed, Sheila.
This is worse.
This is way worse.
Never mind.
See, there you go.
You're taking my glasses again.
Take them.
Take those rose-colored glasses and just put them on the shelf.
Let them collect us.
Okay, fine.
Now, lastly, I wanted to.
Well, and the reason I really wanted to talk to you today is you guys at the CTF are suing the CBC for accountability.
And I alluded to it that apparently the CBC, they're not for taking advertising dollars, but they're definitely for spending them.
We just don't know how much.
Yeah, this is a big deal.
So people know we've been wanting to defund the CBC for years now.
That's understood.
What some people may not know is that one of the main, the main reason why we have a lot of this information, including stuff like millions and millions of dollars going out in bonuses, even while they're crying poor and broke, is because of the work of our full-time paid Canadian Taxpayers Federation investigative journalist, Ryan Thorpe.
And he's the real deal.
He loves journalism.
He totally disagrees with the government funding journalists.
He loves journalists so much, Sheila, he actually has a tattoo of the old 30-30, like the dash 30 on his forearm.
Like he means it.
And so Ryan, very mild-mannered, he was at the committee hearing with me.
He has been very calmly and politely doing freedom of information requests with the CBC, saying, okay, we know the amount that you guys are dishing out in bonuses.
So which executives are getting these bonuses and how much are they getting?
Very simple question, because this is taxpayers' money.
If this were a private company, that's not our wheelhouse at all.
This is taxpayers' money.
So you and I and all of your viewers and listeners get to know where they're spending that money.
They have refused.
Also, Ryan has been asking, okay, how much money do you spend on advertising and where are you spending it?
Meaning they're taking taxpayers' money into the CBC and then buying ads elsewhere, but we don't know how much they're spending and where they're spending it.
So we have gone through all the proper channels repeatedly over and over again, okay?
Freedom of information requests, access to information.
Tell us this information.
These are financial documents.
We know you have them.
So share them with us.
And they have refused.
So the Canadian Taxpayers Federation is taking it to court.
So we also have an in-house counsel, which is a fancy way of saying our own lawyer, Devin Drover.
He is also the Atlantic director.
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So anything that happens out on the East Coast.
So he is spearheading.
Yeah, he does do double duty.
We all do a bit of double duty here at the CTF.
So he is spearheading this along with our other legal team.
So we are taking the state broadcaster to court to force it to be accountable to taxpayers.
So I guess that's a great place to sort of wrap up everything.
Do we have a timeline on like, no, no, just filings now?
Whenever I ask a lawyer that, they kind of look at me fondly.
Like I'm asking them about the Easter bunny.
Like, aren't you cute?
I've been told we should hear something six to 12 months around there.
Sometimes they move fast, sometimes they move slow.
But the short answer is no, we don't know.
But we are really active on this.
Like once we get rolling on something, we move pretty fast.
Same way that we do.
We were an intervener opposing the No More Pipelines law, you know, fighting for Alberta Energy.
We've been really active on the free speech file, that sort of stuff.
So we don't just do the media stuff.
We do like in robes with the funny outfits in court stuff too.
This is part of that.
Yeah, I mean, we could have, I mean, this, everything moves at the speed of government and the courts, but we could have a new, potentially a new heritage minister in an entirely new party by the time this weaves its way through the court system.
But I think it's either way important for accountability because to borrow a phrase from Donald Trump, there's a deep state in the bureaucracy.
And when the government changes, those people are so entrenched that they will work against the new government and the new government's agenda.
Yes, even if things change politically in Ottawa, to your point exactly, everybody's got to stay in the arena.
Like we must, because this stuff will not get done.
It will not change.
Because even if the prime minister wants to defund the CBC, the roadblocks, I can only imagine that will be put up in front of them will be crazy.
So hopefully, to your point, this case is moot because the CBC is defunded and there's nothing left to take to court by that time.
But we'll see.
We'll see.
It's really important to get your ground game going and to dot all of your I's and cross your T's.
And this is one of them.
And again, we've been really calm and nice about this.
Like Ryan's a super calm, friendly dude.
He's been very carefully filing access, filing access, and it's been stonewalling for ages.
So this is why we've been now pushed to this.
So, I guess lastly, how do people get involved in CTF's fight for accountability?
Because it's not just this, as you said, you're interveners on other things.
And then those access to information requests do not file and read themselves.
So, there's a lot of work happening at the CTF behind the scenes before people get the press release and their email like I did this morning saying, hey, we're taking the government to court.
Yeah, a lot of work went into that press release.
So, you're right.
So, I really wanted to appeal to people in the sense of fellowship and being in the arena, like I just mentioned.
So, I know things are tough out there.
I get emails all the time about it.
Like we were saying, half of Canadians are struggling.
That can be tough out there.
So, join us.
You'll get email updates from us all the time.
You don't need to spend money to do it, but you'll be part of the fight.
You'll be in the arena and it builds fellowship.
So, you can go to our website, taxpayer.com, click on the little petition dropdown, and then really read through them.
Sign ones that speak to you.
There is everything on there.
There is scrap the gun grab, there is defund the CBC, scrap the carbon tax.
I even have one in there for you and me, Sheila, for the day that we do go to BC and go thrifting to take the PST off of thrift shop items, which, yeah, the provincial government targets poor people.
Isn't that disgusting?
So, there's all sorts of petitions there.
Sign one that speaks to you.
Oh, no home equity tax, scrap capital gains, big ones.
Yeah.
And then you'll get updates from us on this is where we're at.
Here's a court fight.
Here's our next media campaign.
Phone the minister right now.
We're going to crash the phone lines.
And it really does push politicians because they don't move unless they're pushed.
So go to the website, sign the petitions that you really love, and you'll be part of the tax fighter army.
Yeah.
And, you know, for people who are like, well, the liberals are in charge, or I'm in BEC and the NDP are in charge, what's that going to do?
You know what this does for the opposition politicians?
It shows them which direction the parade is marching.
The bigger the parade, the more likely an opportunistic politician is going to jump in front of it and try to lead it.
And that's really important to show them where the momentum is.
Ralph Klein famously said that.
He did.
And he was a very smart retail politician.
So yeah, exactly to your point.
And this also, it shows what's possible for the political parties.
Because if they see us out there fighting, like completely scrap the carbon tax, including the industrial carbon tax, that has to be gone too.
They see us out there fighting, that gives them more room and it gives them more confidence.
So yeah, join the fight.
Chris, thanks for coming on the show today.
Good luck.
Having a budget lock up.
Don't make too much trouble in there.
I'll try not to get kicked out.
I think you'll be fine.
But thanks for all the work that you do to advocate on behalf of families just like mine and to hold governments to account on behalf of the voters because you pull no punches.
Politicians on the left, politicians on the right, what you care about is smaller, more accountable government.
Amen.
Thank you, Sheila.
Final portion of the show is yours because without you, there's no rebel news.
I turn it over to you.
I want to know what you think about the work that we do here at Rebel News, not just here on The Gun Show, but around the network.
And staying on the topic of government waste, I thought I would go see what you guys had to say about our expose the waste.com campaign, where we document all the weird woke DEI ways the Trudeau government has been wasting your money over the years.
A couple of days ago, I did a story about how Global Affairs Canada sent $2 million to Cambodia to farmers in Cambodia.
Now, not just any farmers in Cambodia.
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These were lady farmers, and a lot of the money was targeted at alternative protein sources, more climate-resilient protein sources.
You know what I'm getting at?
Crickets.
They want the Cambodian lady farmers to grow crickets.
And so I went to the YouTube section, comment section to see what you guys had to say.
So let's go.
Gary 5622 says, Trudeau should switch from beef Wellington to bugs first before pouring millions into bug farming for the little people.
Does he have aspirations to continue to lead by decree and not by example?
Oh, the bugs are for us.
Do you think Klaus Schwab, the former head of the World Economic Forum, the founder of the World Economic Forum, the guy really behind the alternative protein push?
You think he's eaten a lot of crickets during the day?
I don't think so.
The crickets are for us because their plan is to make beef too expensive through carbon taxes and all those sorts of things for the normal people.
And I think there's a more sinister push.
Regular viewers of my work know that I am really sort of focused on personally, not in my work, but I will mention it from time to time, that I am sort of undoing in my personal life.
Again, I reiterate, I'm not here to give you health advice, but I should tell you that everything you know about the food pyramid is absolutely wrong.
And I think that served big pharma's purpose for a time, right?
Make you sick by inverting the food pyramid and then offer you the medicines to fix what they've done to you by advising you to eat not in the optimal human way.
But now, if you are a globalist looking to control the masses, one of the best ways to do that is to make sure that they are weak, both physically, but also psychologically, mentally weak.
They don't want you to be able to fight your way out of control, but also think your way out of what they're trying to do to you.
And one of the best ways to do that is to deplete your brain of things that you need that are found exclusively in animal proteins.
One of them being DHA, which scientists have called the consciousness chemical.
Helps you think.
Babies who are deprived of DHA by virtue of being born to vegan mothers, a lot of them never catch up.
So it's essential for your brain.
It's found in animal products.
And guess what?
They're pushing you not to eat animal products.
Wonder why that is.
Brandon Hallam, 51, says, so farming bugs is natural, but farming cattle and chickens and sheep isn't.
You know, I'm glad you brought this up because cattle, especially in the Western world on the prairies, on the Great Plains, they actually only replace the large ruminant herds of a couple hundred years ago.
When before we used to have large herds of bison roaming the Great Plains, beating up the earth, throwing seeds around, leaving them all over the place, aerating the soil.
Now we have cattle to do that.
Grazing cattle actually sequesters carbon if you care about those sorts of things.
I don't.
And isn't it funny how in the developing world, they don't tell you to get a chicken?
Because if you get a chicken, you can have other chickens, but you can also have eggs, which are high in those things that the developing brain needs.
And the chickens eat the bugs and the garbage.
Chickens are magic.
They eat bugs and garbage and then give you food.
But rather than say, okay, well, the developing world needs chickens and small ruminants, they say, no, just cut out the chicken, cut out the middleman of the chicken, and you just eat the bugs.
Again, think about the reason they're telling you to do that.
Let's go on the criticism side of my story.
Love you, Amber Rappel, writes, why are you lying?
Why don't you do more research before posting?
They're not rewriting food traditions or undoing cultural norms and reshaping communities.
Cambodians have been eating crickets for decades.
I'll keep reading because you'll get where I'm getting at.
Crickets became part of the Cambodian's diet during the famine years of the Khmer Rouge during the 1970s.
This is, in fact, in line with the Cambodian diet, but I guess that doesn't play well into your message and Big Bad Trudeau.
Do you get what you're saying?
You're saying to me that Cambodians resorted to eating crickets during a genocide.
And so now that should be just a normal thing that Cambodians eat.
Are you crazy?
They ate crickets so that they didn't starve to death and die during the genocidal rule of Paul Pot.
And so you think that now that this should just be a normal thing?
Instead of giving them chickens if you're worried about nutrition in the developing world.
Maybe you guys should read some of your comments on the criticism side.
Read your comments before you send them to me.
Read them to a friend who loves you, who cares about you and doesn't want you to embarrass yourself.
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And then after you go through that, post.
All right?
Find someone who loves you before you post something saying that just Cambodians should always eat crickets because they did it so that they didn't die of starvation during a genocide.
Okay.
Well, everybody, that's the show for today.
Thank you so much for tuning in.
I'll see everybody back here in the same time in the same place next weekend.