Avi Yemini hosts Zach Bunfilio, the Misfit Patriot, who critiques right-wing figures like Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson for shifting stances on October 7th, now downplaying Hamas’ violence while ignoring broader Islamic extremism—including ISIS beheadings and Congo atrocities. Bunfilio ties his pro-Israel, anti-terrorism views to Genesis 12:3 and 9/11, calling opponents "Christ for clicks" opportunists exploiting faith for clout. He predicts Trump’s "4D chess move": relocating Gaza’s Palestinians, rebuilding with Saudi/Jordanian funds, and leveraging it against Iran, while praising Israel’s self-reliance despite U.S. aid. The episode exposes hypocrisy in conservative narratives, blending religious conviction with sharp political analysis to challenge mainstream right-wing trends. [Automatically generated summary]
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Funding And Psyop00:15:17
Well, in the crazy world of, I guess, online conservative commentating, we've seen a rather bizarre shift in the last couple of years.
But some have stayed steady and true and consistent.
And I guess I wonder why.
So my next guest today, Zach or the Misfit Patriot, somebody that I've been watching keenly, because unlike those who have moved, I guess, by crowd capture, this man seems strong even when.
I wonder why.
Welcome to the show, Misfit Patriot.
Let's start with people who don't know who, what, when, why.
Who are you?
When did you start?
Why do you do it?
And why haven't you shifted?
Yeah.
Well, it started, it's funny.
I started like, you know, four or five years ago with this conservative commentary.
And I was just, you know, basically talking about the same thing everybody else is talking about, you know, Trump and conservative politics, daily news, what have you.
I think you're alluding more towards the October 7th type of stuff.
And that was weird.
I didn't approach it from like a pro-Israel perspective.
I approached it from an anti-terrorist perspective.
You know, you're in Australia, but in America, if you're over the age of 35, you remember what happened on 9-11.
And for some of us, me in particular, that stuck.
You know, that whole slogan, never forget, some of us actually meant it.
And, you know, it gave me reminders of the, you know, the journalists that had their heads cut off from ISIS and just the long history of, you know, radical Islamic terrorists doing horrible, unspeakable things.
But this time, they recorded it.
They recorded it.
They uploaded it and they put it on Telegram.
It was a blatant slap in the face like, hey, this is what we're doing.
This is who we are.
And I was taking a perspective that I thought was going to be very popular.
I didn't think that there was any way that I was going to be the outcast in my own party.
But as you were saying, there's this movement of people that have, they've either gone to the isolationist America only, the extreme Christian fundamentalists who don't interpret the Bible properly, or these even worse, basically just fucking Nazis, man.
Like, I don't like using the term Nazi because it sounds kind of like a liberal thing to do.
But these people are, these people are straight up emulating.
Like they are, you got accounts on the internet.
Like one of them becomes a mind, Myron Gaines.
You know, they're mostly just clout chasing.
I don't think that they actually really in their heart of hearts believe this shit, but they are saying Hitler had great ideas.
And so how did I stay true?
And how did I not get, how did I not, you know, sort of fall in line with the rest of the group?
It's because it's such an easy choice.
I could either be popular and like Hitler, or I can get a lot of pushback and not.
So the Jewish people saw me standing up to these types and they started messaging me.
And you get to know the Jewish community.
And then you obviously want to learn about what you're talking about.
I started learning about history.
And I'm also a Catholic Christian who, you know, I wouldn't say I'm a biblical scholar, but, you know, I was confirmed when I was a kid.
I went and saw the Pope in 2000.
I've been on and off practicing since I was a little kid.
And it states pretty clearly in Genesis, I will bless thee that bless them, and I will curse thee that curse them.
And that's another thing I take seriously.
So to answer your question, that long-winded answer, 9-11, never forget, Genesis 12, 1 through 3.
Those two things combined, I'm not moving on those two things.
And so many people have.
So I guess the question for many of us would be, especially Jews, like why?
I get that you haven't moved.
Why do you think there has been such a shift?
You know, I don't know Myron's history, but we look at somebody like Candace Owens and you know Candace Owens, five years ago, Candace Owens was saying the exact opposite as to what she was saying, what she says now.
Like the opposite makes the opposing argument.
It's not like well, it's not like, you know, when somebody can make the argument that they were just misinformed, they didn't understand much.
No, you're talking about people that were literally on the on the front line of the argument against her today.
And Tucker Carlson's the same.
You see Tucker Carlson that way.
Well, you see Tucker Carlson, old clips of him even from 20 years ago, literally bagging out people, him, himself today.
So it's not like when somebody acts like they're misinformed, it's like, I never actually knew there was another side of their story.
We're talking about people that say that whether in Tucker Carlson's case 20 years ago, whether in Candace Owens five years ago, where they knew the other side, they were taking down the other side, and then they shifted over to this new populist position on the right, which is anti-everything Jewish, ignoring all the Islamist stuff.
So as Islamic attacks happen now in Europe, suddenly you don't see people like Candace Owens or Tucker Carlson anymore talking about it.
And if they are, it's with a question, who does this serve?
As in like the Mossadis now creating these terrorist attacks just to gain sympathy in Gaza or something like that.
They literally become the exact opposite.
Why has that happened?
I think I have a good guess.
First of all, it's not just one thing.
Some of it's opportunism, right?
So there's opportunities that expand when you take a contrarian point of view.
Okay.
Candace Owens is notorious for this.
Now, I say all the time, Candace Owens is an actual anti-Semite because she's smart enough to be one.
Okay.
What you're saying is the ignorance and the groupthink excuse is a valid one.
And it actually is, right?
There are people that are literally just ignorant and they don't believe what they're saying.
They're not actually anti-Semites, but they think it's getting them views.
Candace is a mixture of both.
She's smart enough.
Like you said, five years ago, she was in Jerusalem freaking for the, I believe it was for the Golan Heights thing.
Seven or eight years.
I think it was Trump's moving the embassy to Jerusalem.
Moving the embassy to Jesus.
She was at the official, you know, she was one of the fangirls.
She was.
And, you know, a few years before that, she wasn't religious at all.
You remember in 2018, she was on the Joe Rogan podcast saying she doesn't understand Christianity.
So she became this new type of Christian that I'm not a big fan of, these Christ for Clicks people, I call them, where they just started Christianity.
Russell Brand, nothing against him.
He's another one.
Tucker Carlson is another one.
Tucker Carlson, just, I think last year or the year before, was like, I just started reading the Bible.
It's like, bro, okay.
How about you fucking wait a little bit before you start preaching?
I didn't know that about Tucker.
In fact, I didn't know that about, I didn't know that about Candace.
Well, there's a commonality, right?
Like I said, Candace Owens, Russell Brand, Tucker Carlson, these big people, I would argue that they're intelligent enough to know that they should not be speaking on something this deep if they aren't experts.
So maybe it's hubris, okay?
Maybe with Tucker and Russell Brand, they think, oh, I read it, I understood it.
Now I can talk about it.
And that's great and everything.
Candace is a different story.
So I want to separate them.
Candace, I believe, I really truly believe this is paid off.
I think that she is being funded in some way or being compensated in some way for her views.
Because her view is, I'm not anti-Semitic.
I'm just anti-Israel's a corrupt government.
And this is things that they do.
You know, let's talk about the.
But all these historic incidents that have nothing to do with Israel somehow lead to this group that I don't want to name.
I give them all other.
Yeah.
I know what you're talking about.
It's like, so the thing about Candace is today is a perfect example.
Okay.
Today is a perfect example of Candace Owens.
There is this, I don't know what you call it, a ceremony where Hamas is parading around these Jewish dead babies and they're putting them in adult-sized coffins.
And it's just this big spectacle and showing.
And she should be coming out.
Now, some people are like, she doesn't have to talk about every little thing.
No, no, no, but her whole content is about Israel.
Right.
So wouldn't you at least attempt to be even or objective and try to look like you're covering both sides?
Condemnation of at least the worst atrocities.
But no, she's talking about Blake Lively and Bridget McCrone having a penis.
So there's no, the silence, sometimes silence speaks louder than words.
And that's her silence.
There's also Muslims in, I think it's the Congo came out today slaughtering Christians.
And she's silent about that too.
Her page is all about the fact that the Bolsheviks slaughtered Christians and it's all about how she's this new good Christian.
But when Muslims are slaughtering Christians, she's silent about that too.
So I think that she's based off of that behavior.
I think that her, she is focusing on an agenda.
And that agenda is being a useful idiot for Islam in some way, right?
Like I would say there's somebody paying her, somebody compensating her.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but Qatari government, Andrew Tate is friends with her, her husband, and he's Muslim.
And I don't know the connections there, but there's something going on with her.
And to finalize this, to answer your question, the general overall, I guess you could call it a movement with this Jew hate, I would summarize the rest of these people as groupthink indoctrination.
It's the same thing with the BLM movement.
You know, it's not organic.
It's definitely manufactured, right?
If somebody's not moving the right chess pieces around on the internet, some people just call it a psyop.
If there isn't a psyop going on, useful idiots are only useful if they're idiots.
These people are mostly just idiots.
So when you talk about Candace, I hear what you're saying about thinking she gets paid.
I actually have a different theory.
I feel like she's self-radicalized during the COVID period.
We watched that happen.
And then there was a whole Kanye saga and she got a little taste of how much kind of that audience, that radical low IQ audience that get really hyped up as soon as you talk about Jews.
She noticed that.
Then she broke up with Ben Shapiro and she's like that vindictive ex.
Well, I told you it's both, right?
Opportunistic is definitely part of it.
Yeah.
Opportunistic and salty, right?
Like, so I think that's a good idea.
I just feel like, does anyone really need to pay her beyond, you know, she's making good bank on her website, on her on YouTube?
It's crazy.
She's been monetized through this whole period.
I was demonetized years ago.
So, and I've never said anything almost as hateful or as crazy as what she has.
So I don't know if she even needs other funding.
I guess maybe somebody helped to set up her project, but I don't even think she needs funding.
I think the funding is coming from that massive audience.
She does have a huge audience because guess what?
There are many groups that may disagree on a lot of stuff, like the extreme right and the extreme left, but they agree on probably their most important issue of the last year and a half, and that's about Zejudin.
And then you have the Islamists as well, the jihadis, the, you know, the groups within the West here.
So, you know, popular names on what they call dawah, which are, which are jihadis in the West that actually, again, agree on one main cause, and that's been Israel and the Jews.
So there's this huge audience that she's captured by doing this.
And that I get what you're saying is opportunistic, absolutely opportunistic, but does she need more than that?
Does she really need somebody to pay her?
Is she ideologically driven or is she barely driven?
So that's the thing, right?
If she's not ideologically driven, if she's a chameleon who can go from being a far leftist back in, you know, 2012, 2004 to 2015, and then switch over to the moderate right where she sounded to me like she was making a lot of sense and then sort of drain that well dry and then move to a completely different ideology of an unpopular right-wing view, which is anti-Israel, because the majority of people on the right are, they support Israel.
Then if she's not ideologically driven, then she's opportunistic.
So what is the opportunity that she's looking for?
And like I said, I think it's financial and maybe attention.
She could very well just be a narcissist who takes every contrarian view when she sees the opportunity because she likes attention.
Some people are like that.
Some people feed off of negativity.
If she's like that, then this is, it's just, it's just what it is.
And just wait and wait till it shifts back.
I always said this about with Trump getting in is that a lot of these voices, I don't know if necessarily her, but a lot of these voices because with her specifically, you know, she used the fact that she was, oh, I can't be anti-I'm not anti-Israel.
I was actually there when the when Trump booted DMs.
I am a Jewish producer.
Tommy Robinson Controversy00:11:01
Yeah.
It's like, but it's not, it's not even that.
It's like, yeah, you were there because you were grifting then.
Yeah, exactly.
Then you got in with the Trump administration at the time accepted you.
They welcomed you.
So you were, you're part, you were in the club and they invited you and you thought, oh, cool, I can get the photo of this historic moment.
You weren't there because you truly love and believe in Israel.
Yeah.
No, that's well, and that's what I'm saying.
When I say she's anti-Semitic because she's smart, she's anti-Semitic because she's smart enough to be one, I just mean that she knows what she's saying.
I don't mean that she necessarily is ideological.
I don't mean it like that.
You have to figure out who's just hating the Jews because they follow Candace and it's kind of like a Taylor Swift effect, right?
Like there was one girl who just said she was divorcing her husband.
She was divorcing her husband because he booed Taylor Swift at the at the Super Bowl.
And she's serious.
She's literally holding up the divorce papers.
So Candace followers, we don't have to use Candace, just the followers of these bigger accounts.
I think that they're just, if tomorrow Candace was like, we like the Jews, they would be like, oh, we like the Jews.
I think she'd lose a lot because I think there are.
She has a, I'd be interested in seeing her analytics because I believe that today a lot of them will be international.
You know, she'll have a lot of tech stuff on there.
She'll have a lot of what I noticed about Candace, because I used to be a huge Candace fan, like so many other people.
What I noticed, and this is a rule that I give to everybody, this applies to everybody.
If I'm agree, if your comment section and your supporters, right, the people that are agreeing with you are people that I vehemently disagree with, then I consider it meaning that I don't agree with you.
So when Candace started jumping on this bandwagon at the very beginning, who were the people that were being the loudest?
It was the radical left, the people that were doing the college protests, the college campus stuff, right?
The Democrats, the I stand with Ukraine people.
And when I see a lot of those people in Candace's comment section, like, yay, you have such good takes.
And I see the Ukrainian flag in their bio.
And I'm like, I'm like, hey, something's up here.
Like, Candace is just one creator.
There's so many others that do the same thing.
It's the hypocrisy behind these accounts, right?
Like these accounts who are claiming to be based trad Christians who are essentially what they really are is radical right activists.
Anything, if you go far enough away from the middle in either direction, you're a radical.
And I don't suppose, I don't agree with that.
And you tend to end up in the same position at the end of the day.
It's horseshoe theory, right?
It's horseshoe theory.
They end up in the same exact place.
So, you know, the further and further radical she got, the less I, and, you know, I'm seeing it with Tucker Carlson now.
I don't like it.
Let me ask you, because I was probably in the same boat.
In fact, I think I was on her show during COVID when the first red flags were coming out.
Even then, I felt a little bit uncomfortable.
But do you look back at some of the stuff?
Because I question myself.
I think, do I like people because of confirmation bias?
Because they're just saying what I happen to agree with.
And then I watch back some of the stuff and I go, oh my God, she was just as annoying and lacking any kind of real, you know, thought out position.
She was lacking original thought.
I talked to people that have been on her show in person and they said that she's very scripted and she's not a very smart person in person.
Now, I'm not gossiping.
I'm just telling you this, this has been perpetrated.
But yeah, I know exactly what you're saying.
It says more about me.
Like when I look back at that, like even Tucker Carlson, I've watched back some of his.
Once you pick up one of these things, once you get red pilled on anything, right?
You start questioning, how the fuck did I, how did I like Andrew Tate?
Same way.
I don't know how you feel about him.
And it's okay if you like him or whatever.
But there are certain people that I used to support that now I see the curtain opened on.
I went back and looked at Candace's hearings in Congress where she was talking about how Hitler was a nationalist and this, that, and the other.
And I'm like, holy shit.
She was actually stupid this entire time.
Tucker Carlson with his UFO shit.
I'm like, you know what?
Maybe these people that we are looking for confirmation bias, maybe some of the people that we're following and aligning with, we're subconsciously just agreeing with them and we don't realize it at the time.
How do we stop ourselves from doing that?
You know, there's probably viewers now looking at this going, shit, I can't wait till I disagree with Ivy and then realize he was actually he was silly.
He was stupid the whole time.
I don't know why I followed that little midget on.
You know, here's what you do.
And I, like I said, I mean, we've got two examples of me being tricked and fooled.
So I'm not going to sit here and say it's never happened to me.
But what I try to do, right?
What I try to do is I try to look at somebody and say, do I believe that they believe what they're saying?
Right.
And it doesn't matter if they're right, left, or center.
RFK would be a perfect example.
Okay.
Do I believe that he believes what he's saying?
Right.
And I think yes.
Right.
Do I agree with what he's saying?
No.
Right.
So I can be a supporter of somebody if I believe that what they believe they're saying is true to them, as long as it doesn't, you know, if it's not, you know, let's kill babies up until birth.
RFK said that and then he came and changed his mind.
I believe he, I believe that he meant it the first time.
But it's, you just have to look at, is this person being honest or are they being fake?
And I think if you apply that to Andrew Tate, it's actually a perfect example.
You know that before he reverted to Islam, you know, he used to have all these, in fact, he was friends.
I'm good friends with Tommy Robinson.
I have been for years.
And I know him and Andrew Tate kind of grew up together in Luton.
And Andrew Tate was as anti-Islamic as they come.
Yep.
In fact, if you look at his old stuff.
He's opportunistic.
I mean, if you're a Muslim in Romania, you're able to justify.
I'm not saying this is what he did, but Being a Muslim in Romania, and I don't know if you know about the Romanian law, about how fast and loose they are with looking the other way on certain crimes, especially like the ones that Andrew Tate is charged with.
But being a Muslim in Romania is exactly where I would go if I wanted to sex traffick young girls.
That's exactly what I would do.
So is Tate a real Muslim?
No, I don't think that's a good thing.
He was never.
Think about when he reverted.
He reverted at his lowest when they de-platformed him from everything.
And you got to remember, he saw what they did to his friend, Tommy Robinson.
And they actually successfully at the time depersoned Tommy Robinson.
He went from being like, I remember back in the days, you'd go on Facebook, back when the internet was like the Wild West and you could say whatever you want on any platform.
Tommy Robertson would go live, walking down the street, just go live, just talking to his phone, and there would be 20, 30, 40,000 people watching within minutes.
That's how captivated people were by this personality.
And I think a lot of that comes down to, and I haven't thought about it in the way you articulated it now, is that I think people are attracted to genuine, like, do they believe he's saying, and about those issues, he definitely, Tommy was 100% on point.
He did truly believe him.
He was willing to go to jail.
No, no, I know.
I don't agree with everything.
Tommy said that.
I've walked down the street with Tommy Robinson.
I've walked down the street with Tommy Robinson and I've seen, and I've seen from the inside what it's done to his fam, like everything.
You cannot do what he's done if you do not believe the core issues.
And people were attracted to it.
And then overnight, they took it away from him, like literally ended him.
He's only come back since Elon Musk let him back.
And again, people are attracted to the realness of him.
But Andrew Tate saw that happening.
And he tried to fabricate.
Well, he realized that, crap, I need an audience that are not going to be swayed by that these big tech or the government can control.
And the perfect group for that are Muslims, because there's so many of them in the world that even if they kicked, because Andrew Tate thought his only position will be Rumble.
So he needed an audience to come over to Rumble that would idolize him.
And he jumped onto Rumble and all these Muslims joined and he had this massive thing.
And they were all like, they were all promoting him.
All these jihadi Muslims, like Mohammed Hijab in the UK.
And what's the other guy's name?
All the big names.
Suleimani and all them.
Well, Suleimani is an interesting one because he's more of a minion.
Yeah.
Yeah, he started with Tate.
But that guy's just so weird.
The idea that anybody follows him, like if you identify somebody that follows Suleiman, it just is so cringy because when you hear him talk, he can never actually.
I spoke with him one time.
Yeah.
He sounds like he's been living in his grandmother's basement for too many years.
And he also looks like that.
But he's not an original.
He takes these weird positions.
He's a follower.
He's not a, yeah.
He's not like a.
Like, there's Mario Newfall and then there's Suleimani.
The fall of Syria was probably the interesting.
That's the only part where I started really watching those guys, because it was so.
It was exciting to see how they were suddenly, that they were fighting each other, because you have all these big names that all agreed, even just within the Islamic world, all agreed on one thing, and that was, Israel is the evil enemy.
And then obviously, you had the fall of Assad, and half of them were Assadists.
The other half were uh, aligning themselves with this, uh Al-qaeda guy.
Christianity's Dilemma00:11:08
And i'm just sitting on the side going pass me the popcorn.
This is amazing, because you guys actually don't stand for anything except what you hate for Israel.
That's the only thing.
But I don't know how we got to where we are now.
I I forgot too, but you know to to jump off of that one one point, um, you know, this is what I say all the time, Islam can't coexist with a peaceful society, and sometimes people say it can't coexist with Western civilization.
No, it can't coexist with a peaceful society, because if Israel isn't there to hate, they hate each other, just like you were saying.
If there's there's this um, there's this weird practice uh, that's called takiya I don't know if you're familiar with it where they uh, they basically use in the modern interpretation of it.
They use useful idiots and propaganda to confuse people about uh their, their true intentions.
All right, and in the Quran it says, you're allowed to lie if you know this.
And they, they further Islam.
Yeah, exactly so that in order to further Islam, you get useful idiots like, and furthering Islam is also the conquest like, that is part of the religion, exactly well, it's a convert, it's a converter kill death, cult.
But also it's an expansionist religion.
All right, the Christianity is, I guess you could say expansionist, where we're accepting, but we're not constantly trying to convert.
And Judaism is exclusionary, where they're not even trying to bring people in.
So you have to turn your way, trust me, my ex-wife took us six years to convert.
Yeah so, but you have one religion that is not a neutral religion like Christianity.
It's not an exclusive religion like Judaism.
It's an.
It's a con, it's a.
Basically, if you look at the expansion of the Arab nations in the Middle East over the course of 80 years, it looks like cancer growing.
It's everywhere they're going from you know these, these places like Iraq Iran Afghanistan, and they're moving all the way into Africa, wiping out the Christians in their way.
And I have.
Listen, I have nothing against peaceful Muslims, but we were talking about this last night on UM, on a, a space that I was in where, if you, if you look at the, the more you adhere to a certain religion right, what happens?
Right, if you adhere strictly to Christianity, you become an accepting loving tolerant, tolerant person.
If you, if you adhere strictly to Judaism, you become accepting loving, tolerant person.
If you adhere strictly to Islam, you become a convert or kill, radical Islamic terrorist.
So the peaceful Muslims that are out there and there are many, there's 1.9 billion of them, and a lot of them are are very peaceful.
Those people have to ignore their own religion in order to be peaceful.
So I I, I agree to you.
I'll tell you a little secret, i've got um Two Muslim stepkids.
And they come from a family that don't really practice.
And, you know, I've also got some neighbors right here that are, I mean, they just refugees that pray to God five times a day and they don't take the Quran to the letter and the Quran itself.
They clearly don't.
Yeah.
They can't be because it can't be contextualized.
So anyway.
So this phenomena that we're seeing within the Christian world, because that is interesting to me.
There are, you know, one thing I've always found is true Christians, and I'm obviously judging it as somebody who I grew up in an ultra-Orthodox Jewish family.
I don't practice anything myself anymore.
Like I said, I've got my, my, I'm so good at getting married.
I'm on my second marriage.
I've got two Muslim stepkids.
My, my wife comes from, um, she's a white Christian background.
But so I, I, I don't, I identify as Jewish more from the ethnic position rather than you're more agnostic.
Yeah, I probably don't care that much.
I, I, like everyone, I'm, I, I live and let live.
But one thing I've always noticed is, um, and I fight for people's right to practice and believe in whatever, as long as you're not hurting me.
But one thing I've noticed, like over the years, so genuine Christians are the ones that you probably don't see online that much, to be honest.
You don't have to see them.
They're not, they're not the loudest because they are really nice.
And, you know, they always preach to me about Jesus and, you know, but they do it in a really loving way.
Like they're always trying to bring me in a loving way, where, as opposed to, for the example, Islamists, when they try, so people that are radical Christians to me.
And I know you use that term when you were referring to the, I think that this new group of Christians from the, where I'm sitting, feel like fake Christians.
They're people.
Yes.
People that have jumped on it and then they're like, Christ is king, Christ is king.
And they use it back.
They weaponized Christ is king.
And then if you say anything back, oh, you don't believe Christ is king.
You're the demon.
You're a devil.
But that's how they've weaponized it.
Whereas the real Christians that I've always met over time come to me like, oh, and they preach to me to join them.
And then like I banter with them.
And they just, they, they go a lot like they, it comes from a place of love.
Yeah, well, that's Christianity.
I mean, Christianity, if you follow, so here's the, here's an issue with these Christ for clicks people that we were talking about.
I call them chat GPT Christians, right?
Where they're literally doing what you're what you said.
They're weaponizing passages out of the Bible to use as talking points so that they can have confirmation bias on their own ideology, not a religious ideology, just any ideology, right?
If they believe something, they're going to figure out how to make the Bible work so that it fits in what they believe.
And anybody that disagrees with them, you're, yeah, like you said, you're a demon.
You're a non-believer, right?
There are good Christians that are online, and you're right.
There are not that many of them.
Like Ali B. Stuckey and Johnny Root.
These are wonderful people, very nice people.
They don't swear.
I would say Charlie Kirk is in that camp too.
Nice people.
And they don't.
The thing about Christianity, if you look at it from New Testament forward, it's not Christianity, right?
You have to include the Old Testament.
You have to include all of the Bible.
Now you're going to start triggering people.
Just don't use the term Judeo-Christian.
Judeo-Christian literally just means that it's a shared value system.
I love how that term has triggered the rock.
That's the problem with Christ for clicks and chat GPT Christians.
You don't understand what something means.
Judeo-Christian doesn't mean I stand with Israel.
It means a shared value system between two religions that are connected and read the same book.
And Judeo-Christian applies to America because of that system.
They don't seem to be freaking out about the term Greco-Roman, right?
It's the same thing.
It's Greco-Roman.
It doesn't mean Greece and Rome or fucking, it's Greco-Roman.
It's just a shared value system.
So anyway, like I was saying, the Christians that are following Christ, your job is to be accepting, loving, and tolerant.
Accepting doesn't mean affirming, right?
So a lot of Christians, fundamentalists, are saying that, you know, homosexuality is a sin, right?
And the ones that are true Christians will accept a homosexual person, but they won't affirm a homosexual person, right?
You'll never hear a true Christian saying what you are doing is right.
That's not a true Christian.
But you'll also never hear a true Christian saying you're going to burn in hell for what you're doing because that's not a true Christian.
Judge not lest ye be judged.
All of the judgment and punishment in Christianity is reserved for one person and one person only, and that is God.
It's not reserved for us.
So we're so the soap box, fake chat GPT, Christ for clicks, Christ is king Christians like Candace Owens, who are constantly telling people that they're going to hell.
These people are not fucking Christians.
It's impossible for them to be Christians because they are their behavior is antithetical to everything that Christianity is.
And so just your background, I'm assuming you are a Christian.
Yeah, I'm a Catholic, man.
I'm a Catholic Christian, you know, and I do go to a non-denominational church now, but just because I went and saw, have you seen the movie Sound of Freedom?
No, but I have.
I've been told a lot to go watch it.
The movie actually changed my life, to be honest.
And I'm not even speaking hyperbolic.
I was a few years ago.
I think it came out on the 4th of July weekend.
It was either 2022 or 2023.
I went and saw that movie just because, you know, it looked like a good movie.
And I had one of these moments that you hear about from, you know, like all these reborn people, like, you know, where I was like, I just felt something.
And I go, you got, you should go back to church.
And a friend of mine at the time was going to this non-denominational mega church.
And I just text her after the movie and I go, Can I come with you to church on Sunday?
And she goes, Yeah, absolutely.
So I went to church.
I walked across the threshold of this church.
And I'm not joking, bro.
I felt God.
Like you feel something.
The same thing happened to me years ago.
And in the year 2000, I went to Italy and I saw the Pope.
I saw Pope John Paul in person.
And I walked into St. Peter's Basilica and I had the same feeling.
It's just this overwhelming.
It's like a hug.
It's like a hug from something that you can't see.
So that was a couple of years ago.
And it was before October 7th.
So I was already right.
It was actually 2023.
I remember it was 2023 because this was a few months before October 27th.
Yeah, October 7th.
So for me, I was a non-practic, I was a very heavily practicing Christian Catholic growing up.
I went to Sunday school.
I was in a youth group.
I went and saw the Pope in Italy.
And I've always sort of been a Christian, but I also had my bad boy phase where I was, you know, living in Florida doing lines of Coke off of a fucking toilet seat and sleeping with every girl that would say hi to me.
And then I grew up, you know, I started my own business and I started living the homely lifestyle.
And a couple of years ago, I just said, I said, yeah, fuck it.
I'm back on Team Jesus.
And here we are.
It's almost like I believe that God has a plan and my path was supposed to put me here to be a voice for these people that are 0.2% of the population.
If I'm not speaking out, if people like me aren't speaking out, then they won't be heard.
That's the thing.
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If it's Muslims and Christians against Jews, Jews lose.
Right?
It's going to happen every time.
And if it's Muslims.
And I'd argue Christians then will lose too.
Correct.
We have a shared value.
It's so bizarre to me that, but it's so bizarre to me that these guys that I like the term, what was it, Christ for clicks?
Christ for clicks.
Christ for clicks.
Because, you know, you see that they do whatever mental gymnastics they can to avoid ever having to call out, you know, jihadi attacks these days.
And they're thinking the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Well, the thing is, as soon as you get the Jews out of the way, that's who you're going to have to face.
And guess what?
Unlike the Jews, the Jews don't put up much resistance.
You think they're in all these positions of power, but you think they run the media.
Heck, they've got a really bad rap for somebody that runs the media in the last two years.
Exactly.
They're doing a bad job.
We can't even agree on the most basic things.
Like Jews is like.
Well, they're doing a bad job at everything that they accuse them of.
They're doing a horrible job at genocide.
The Palestinian population has increased by 2%.
But, you know, to piggyback off of that, right?
First they come for the Saturday people, then they come for the Sunday people, right?
If it's, if these, I know you're not American, but most of these accounts that I'm seeing are American.
Okay.
These Americans that are using this tagline, America first.
I don't fucking support the Jews because I'm America first.
Right.
It's like you're America only.
You're talking about isolationism.
Okay.
And if you want to look at it and take God out of it, take the religious part out of it.
Israel, the nation state of Israel, right?
Not the land of Israel from the Bible, the current nation state of Israel is an ally for these reasons.
They are fighting our enemies and we have a productive, net positive financial relationship with them, right?
So if you're America first, you should be standing with Israel from a purely selfish perspective, right?
If Israel isn't there to stop these terrorists, right?
Then what are they going to do?
Do you think that they're not going to try to plan another 9-11?
We just had a fucking guy with an ISIS flag on the back of his truck drive into a crowd of people.
But what you're missing is they only do all of that because America helps the Jews.
Exactly.
I mean, it's the problem that I've found in the last couple of years.
Like there is zero point arguing with any of them because it's just a big circle.
And the only way you can actually prove that they're a special sort of person is until the terrorists are at their gate and after there are no Jews left because you can't actually prove to them that they're going to lose.
Yeah, good, good on you.
You won the Jews.
I even think who look, these people think they're so brave.
And I love when they talk about, you know, when they post that, you know, who is the one group you can't criticize?
That's who controls you.
It's like, dude, that's literally all you do online is criticize this group.
And yeah, you know what?
I don't think you ever will defeat them because you're so dog shit dumb.
But if you ever did succeed in your mission, you are done.
You're next because the people in front of you are those Jews that you hate so much that don't enforce anything on you.
Yes, sir.
You ever seen Game of Thrones?
Did you watch Game of Thrones?
Yeah, Game of Thrones.
You remember Hodor?
You remember?
Yep.
You remember what he's doing?
He's holding the door.
That's where he got his name.
Yeah, yeah.
It's like, that's the Jews, bro.
It's like the Jews are literally this tiny little country the size of New Jersey fighting an entire fucking in their own region fighting radical Islamic terrorists.
So that there's this.
They're just holding this door shut and you people are fucking trying to stab Hodor like fuck Hodor.
Let me ask you before you go, what?
Where do you think this is going?
So, I think, because everything that happens in America kind of follows suit here in Australia, in the UK, across the West.
Where are you heading?
Is is, is this thing going to become worse?
Are we going to see more people jump on that bandwagon or are they going to lose their um, their appeal soon?
Here's, here's the good news, everybody.
Okay, i'm pretty good with predictions.
Um, I get a good read on certain things.
The the, the Anti-jew crowd is going to be flat earthers in about five years.
Right they're, because the thing is, what they're saying is ridiculous.
Okay, but what's happening right now is the same thing that happened with flat earthers.
Right, when flat earthers were were this movement in the 90s, where they were, like you know, just constantly talking about conspiracy theories whatever, people didn't care to even argue with them.
They didn't even really give a shit because what they were saying was so ridiculous.
The initial past couple of years, a year and a half or so right, people haven't really understood how ridiculous they're saying.
What they're saying is because they're so ridiculous, but now that they're getting louder, it's a good thing.
It's it's in.
There's a lot of people that think you should silence these people.
Right like oh, take Kanye, take Kanye up, take Kanye's account down.
I'm like why my post was, why would you do that?
Are you crazy?
Kanye right now is associating a mental disorder with Anti-semitism.
He is the biggest gift that you could possibly get right now.
Right, it's like you want them to keep speaking because the more they speak, the more people will look at them.
And when they get big enough, when they get to flat earther level, where people are actually paying attention the right people they're going to hear what they're saying and they're going to go wait.
What?
No, what are you talking about?
No, terrorists are bad.
Not, it's, it's not as big of a movement as people think it is a problem, and that's what i'm doing here right, what i'm doing here is I I don't know if you've really caught on to what my my strategy is, but it's mostly trolling.
It's mostly making fun of them, right?
I grab these people up and whenever they say something ridiculous, I say something that's educational and funny and people get a get levity out of it, Because that's how you should treat these people.
They are a joke.
So make them a joke.
I agree.
I think Mockingham in Australia passing all this new legislation and often in the Jewish community's name when ironically they haven't enforced the actual laws that we have against incitement and hate or whatever.
Yeah.
Anyway, you got to take time there.
I will say one more thing real quick because it's tied to that question.
I don't want to forget.
The move that Donald Trump is talking about with moving these people, the Palestinians out of Gaza and rebuilding it, this is a 4D chess move that is going to potentially create a long-lasting peace situation in that region.
Um, why do you reckon?
Because I actually think it's a 4D chess move just because it's good negotiating strategy like tariffs.
I don't believe he's ever going to do it.
Think about it, okay?
If that does come to fruition, you get Saudi Arabia, you get Jordan, you get a bunch of other surrounding nations to invest while Donald Trump sort of delegates this and put a bunch of properties in the middle of a region that used to be occupied by people that wanted to shoot rockets out of it.
Now, if Iran or any other country decides, hey, you know what?
We still hate the Jews.
Let's attack them.
They're not just going to be attacking Israel.
They're going to be attacking Saudi Arabia.
They're going to be attacking Jordan.
They're going to be attacking Egypt.
But Donald Trump could be, I think he's doing this.
I think what he's trying to do is create a visual representation of the Abraham Accords with buildings and resorts.
And if he does that, that is going to be a very damaging tool to the Ayatollah.
So my question to you is, do you think he's really means moving the 2 million people in Gaza or he's looking for investment into something in the Gaza Strip where the Gazans will still end up remaining there?
That's just...
No, he's moving them.
No, he's going to move them.
I just was on a podcast with the opposition leader to the King of Jordan last week, and he was talking about how the Palestinians in Jordan and in Egypt would be very accepting of these Palestinians.
And those Palestinians that are there don't want to be there because Trump's right.
It's a fucking parking lot now, right?
Israel bombed every fucking building over there, right?
So they're not, they don't want to stay there now.
Even if they want to stay there for an ideological reason, they don't want to stay there because it's rubble.
So moving them out, what he's going to do, what I believe he's going to do, is Trump's going to actually literally move them out.
He's going to create settlements and he's going to make deals with Jordan and with Egypt.
He's going to make these little, I would say, trailer parks, most likely, right?
And he's going to actually move out these 2 million people.
Then he's going to go in and he's going to rebuild, not America, by the way.
He's going to delegate the rebuilding of Gaza to anybody that wants to invest in it.
And once you get Saudi Arabia and other surrounding nations, it could be England.
It could be Australia, right?
If Australia puts a resort in the middle of Israel and Iran fires a rocket and it hits your resort, don't you think that Australia would be a little bit pissed about it?
No, no, no, I hear what you're saying.
I look, I think out of everything you've said in this interesting conversation over 47 minutes, I just can't see it happening.
I just far-fetched.
We'll see.
Hey, you know what?
I feel like Trump is doing what he's done with the tariffs.
And he's, you know, he's, and you see, it worked immediately.
They went from saying they're not going to release any more hostages because Israel broke the ceasefire to suddenly releasing hostages as normal again.
And, you know, that's kind of what Trump has been doing.
He says some like crazy thing up here and it brings the person back to where they are.
You know what?
He also said something crazy, like, we're going to rename the Gulf of Mexico.
And then he fucking did it.
So you can't think that Trump is always just bluffing.
I think the reason why his strategy is so effective is because everybody knows that if you push him, he might just do his crazy idea.
And that's what makes it so if somebody just bluffs crazy things all the time, then at a certain point, people are not going to take him very seriously.
They're not going to be worried.
Russia's not going to be scared.
No one's going to be worried.
So I think that he, I think that the reason why it is so effective is because he will, like I do think Trump would do that if everyone mocks him about it.
If everybody- It is just a theory.
It's just a theory.
And I'm not saying that it's 100% going to happen.
What I'm saying is...
I think it would 100% happen if everybody laughs at him about it, if everybody calls his bluff about it.
I think he will force Egypt and Jordan to take it.
And anybody who thinks that he doesn't have the power to force Egypt and Jordan to take it are delusional.
That just shows how much they don't know.
I love all these experts, you know, people who couldn't point to Israel or Gaza on a map before six months ago, suddenly telling me how Egypt and Jordan are going to operate when Trump tells them what to do.
You saw Jordan capitulate.
He capitulated straight away.
Talk tough to the, you've got to understand the mentality, but also you've got to understand the facts.
Like, like it or hate it, Jordan is a propped up government by the U.S. Egypt, same shit.
Like none of these people can survive the Middle East.
The only group that could survive, ironically, in the Middle East without America, it will be a painful thing.
And I think that they should work towards that is Israel.
I think Israel's biggest problem.
I think right now there's going to be four great years for Israel.
Hopefully Vance gets in.
So you have another four or eight years after that.
But after that period, at some point, the pendulum is going to swing the other way.
It's not going to be good for Israel.
Israel needs to step away from being so reliant on American aid.
I think that Israel should set themselves up.
We're not real.
Well, the thing is, the relationship with Israel, the aid is often misquoted because it's agree.
I know that, but I'm saying like, so that nobody can make that up.
Israel does need the U.S.
And the self-reliance factor of them having the technology and the nuclear capability to fight off their enemies is a straightforward, that's a factual argument.
But what America does is it keeps them from having to even go there.
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Right.
Where it's like, but if they had to go there, I would take Israel in that fight, believe it or not.
And people don't realize how powerful they really are.
Before I let you go, again, I've said this.
I'm having too much fun in this conversation.
There's so much in the last, what has it been now?
What are we?
It's been a month, a bit over a month.
Like almost every day, every second day, there's something amazing.
Trump does it.
I just, I wake up.
And in Australia, we wake up.
Like it's your evening.
So everything's happened while we've been asleep.
We wake up in the morning and holy crap, Trump's done this.
What has been your favorite action, executive order thing Trump has done since in this first month?
Well, there's so many to choose from.
You put me on the spot.
I mean, look, here's the deal.
The thing that I think that most people are excited about is Doge.
The thing that was most necessary is the border.
But what I've been noticing about this, you want to judge how effective Trump's moves are by the reaction to them from the left, right?
And the thing that they have reacted to so negatively and so forcefully is Doge, right?
Is finding all of this money that has been wasted on bullshit like Sesame Street in Iraq.
And he's literally just being so transparent with it.
They have a fucking website where you can go and look, right?
And like, now they're going to go and they're going to audit the IRS.
They're going to get rid of the Department of Education.
They're going to go in and do this and do this and do this.
And what they also did was, if you go on usdebtclock.org, you can see the amount of trillions of dollars that just keeps going up.
It's a ticker and it's at $36 trillion.
And right under it, he put a fucking Doge clock.
So it's showing in real time how much money they've found.
And in four weeks, it's over $115 billion.
So that's my favorite thing for sure by far.
Because every day I can go on and I can type in U.S. debt clock.
I can see how much money.
And then I'm autistic.
I'm being serious.
Like I am a fucking rainman with numbers.
And I'm going, okay, $115 billion divided by $350 million.
That's $365 per citizen a day.
And if it keeps going at this pace, it's going to be $1.7 trillion by next year if it continues at this pace.
That is the coolest thing that I think anyone has ever done is actually come in and say, we're going to show you where your fucking money is going.
That is no president, no congressman, nobody has ever wanted to do that for us before.
I got to say, yeah, I think he's, for me, I'm watching it.
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And I think the way he manages to trigger all the right people from all the different parts of the, you know, of the political spectrum.
So it's every day.
He hits every right note.
You follow Dan Bargino?
Have you, you watch him at all?
Dan Bargino says rock'em sock'em robots, right?
Where the little robots are constantly punching.
And that's what he says.
That's the strategy.
The strategy is don't stop punching because the time they're with their upset about the right cross that they just took, you're already throwing a jab at them with something else.
Like they get mad about Doge and then he just goes, no more trans people in the military.
And then they get mad about no more trans people in the military.
And he goes, we're going to defund the Department of Education.
And then Department of Education, he goes, we're going to make Canada the 51st state.
He's just not stopping.
Sure, sure.
I agree with that.
But I think that beyond that, on top of that, he's managing to piss off.
Like, it's not just the left.
He's pissing off that, you know, woke right, which are, you know, they're trying to tread carefully because they also know like they're going to be politically isolated in a minute because if they go totally against Trump, like they did, you saw a bunch of them did in the lead up to the election.
And then they realized when Trump won, they were politically isolated and they were politically irrelevant because Nick Fuentes.
Yeah, Nick Fuentes is a perfect example, somebody who literally led the charge of campaigning against Trump in the lead up to the election.
And he wasn't, you know, nobody can say he's part of the Democrats.
He's not the left.
But then he saw at the end of it, and I predicted as he was doing it, when they lost, when Trump won so much, it meant that by definition, Nick Fuentes and that campaign were so irrelevant that they had zero effect on the outcome.
And so Nick Fuentes had to crawl back, like pretending like this was all part of his thing, because if he dared to support Trump, they were going to make it like Trump is a Nazi, which is just so laughable because the left already, the left always reported as Nick Fuentes as a Trumper anyways.
That had zero effect.
His campaign, he was such a failure.
And so, but I think broader than that, that entire new what you like, what you've been doing.
We call it the unity party, right?
The Unity Party of bringing in RFK, Tulsi Gabbard, and bringing in these moderates and former Democrats.
We are not Republicans anymore.
MAGA, I don't think ever was.
But you got these, you got, like I said, alt-right, Wolf Wright, Nick Fuentes, and types.
They know that if they don't have MAGA, like this is why Andrew Tate, look at how these people hate the Jewish state so much.
And the one person they will not criticize for liking Israel is Donald Trump.
Some of them do, but then they like, not even Trump.
RFK Jr., so he's a massive Israel supporter, like huge.
You know, he goes way too far for me because he accepts Rabbi Shmuley.
And I don't accept Rabbi Shhmuli.
That's a little too much.
That's too far for me.
Like, I'm willing to.
I fought in the Israeli army.
I was in the Lebanon War.
Most of my service was in the Gaza Strip.
But I will not go to Rabbi Shmuley.
Rabbi Shmuley is the clown.
Rabbi Shmuley almost makes me want to join Hamas.
Like, that's how bad Rabbi Shmueli is.
But you see somebody like Ian Carroll, who's popped up out of nowhere, who goes on and like just insane.
But he is in love with RFK Jr. goes on about him.
He's promoting it.
It's all about RFK Jr. is the biggest, you know, biggest win for Trump, but he ignores the fact that RFK Jr. is the guy that will never fold because of what you said in the beginning.
He believes in what he believes in what he can.
He truly believes in the state of Israel and the Jewish people.
And this Ian Carroll that spends his entire day trying to point out how evil, how pretty much the most evil thing is the Jews and Israel.
But the guy that he's promoting because exactly.
Why is that?
Well, that's what I was just about to say.
It's funny how we're about to wrap up because this is exactly how you opened.
You asked me how I was able to keep my principles.
And the difference between people like me and Ian Carroll is if I was Ian Carroll, I would be calling out RFK, right?
Because I have principles.
I believe what I'm saying, right?
If Trump tomorrow was anti-Israel, I have Trump tattooed on my fucking leg, bro.
Oh, no.
No, I got the fight tattoo and it's part of, that's just my arm.
I got the one where he just got shot.
Oh, okay.
And I got the, I'm getting the statue of liberty.
It's going to be a whole America theme.
But anyway, if Trump tomorrow was disagree, I said Trump, I don't, I don't agree with Trump on the TikTok ban.
I didn't agree with him on the bumstock ban, the e-cigarette thing.
There's things that Trump have done, and I have vehemently called him out, right?
Because I'm like, that's not constitutional.
I'm a constitutionalist first, and I'm a Trump supporter second.
So Ian is a opportunist who knows he can't call out RFK, even though he wants to.
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And I'm the type of person where I don't give a fuck.
I will call out anybody because I have this core belief system and nothing and no one can supersede that.
Well, on that note, mate, thank you so much.
I'll have to have you back because I feel like there's so much to talk about.
I enjoyed this conversation and I appreciate your time tonight.
Where can people find you?
People that want to hear you?
I think your videos are entertaining.
The short videos, you're kind of the counter to people like Ian Carroll.
And I know that I started on TikTok, so I got to.
It's much harder to do what you do because you get ratioed a lot more than taking the popular position that every far leftist, every neo-Nazi, and every Islamist wants to support.
Yeah.
Well, it's 10 seconds on that.
That's because most of it's fake engagement.
I get attacked with bots and everything.
And I'm not making excuses.
It's just a fact.
I've done the studies.
uh you can find me on rumble uh my my podcast is tuesdays through thursday mornings at seven central and it's called tmp uncensored And then I'm also on Instagram and X under the Misfit Patriot.