Ezra Levant at London’s ARC Conference (Feb 18) highlights a 4,000-strong "freedom forum" opposing the World Economic Forum, featuring Kemi Badenoch criticizing the European Convention on Human Rights for enabling frivolous deportation delays and Nigel Farage pushing small modular nuclear reactors to cut UK energy costs—now four to six times higher than the U.S.—while blaming high taxes and mass immigration for societal decline. Attendees debate dystopian surveillance, Tommy Robinson’s solitary confinement, and Canada’s euthanasia program as a warning, with Sammy Woodhouse exposing $260B human trafficking and its brutal aftermath, including unprotected children born from exploitation. Adea and Amanda Ackman contrast Western moral decay with Indigenous prisoners’ life-affirming values, underscoring the conference’s call to rebuild civilization through Christian ethics, sovereignty, and resistance to state overreach. [Automatically generated summary]
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All right, here's today's podcast.
Tonight, the world's biggest freedom fighting conference gets underway in London, England.
It's February 18th, and this is the Ezra Levant Show.
Shame on you, you censorious thug.
Oh, hi, everybody.
Ezra Levant here for Rebel News.
Rebel News, of course, is a citizen journalism and activism organization based in Canada, but we are viewed around the world.
In fact, here in the United Kingdom, where I'm standing today, we have a team.
Sammy Woodhouse and her videographer, Schillitz, have joined our team to cover interesting things in the UK.
One of the interesting things is this conference that I'm at.
It's called ARK, which I think stands for the Alliance of Responsible Citizens.
Jordan Peterson is one of the key proponents of it, and it's a thinkers' conference, it's a doers' conference.
I think one of its ambitions is to become a freedom-oriented counterweight to the World Economic Forum.
I'm in the middle of an exhibition room, sort of a trade fair attached to the conference where there's over a dozen freedom-oriented NGOs.
GB News and the Spectator, two freedom-oriented media companies.
There's universities here.
There's Toby Young's Free Speech Union.
It's, I'd say, the largest freedom gathering in the UK.
In fact, the very first speaker was the leader of the opposition here in the UK, Kemi Bedenock.
Here's a quick slice of her speech.
In order to fix things, we need to know what went wrong.
I believe that loopholes in liberalism have been found and easily exploited.
We have been hacked.
Rule of law is what built so much of the West.
It is in the corruption of the rule of law itself that we see where the problems begin.
The most extraordinary example is how the European Convention on Human Rights, designed to stop the persecution of individuals by the state, is now weaponized by those who wish to erode our national identity and border security.
The current system is being exploited.
The public are enraged at the perception that the UK has become a haven for foreign criminals.
One case involved a man who was allowed to stay.
It was claimed that his son disliked foreign chicken nuggets.
In another, a drug dealer reportedly avoids deportation because of his daughter's gender identity issues.
We were members of this convention for half a century without this madness.
What's changed?
It's not the values, it's the people.
They are afraid of creating any kind of conflict.
They use the most novel and expansive interpretations of human rights law to avoid it.
And we see that lack of confidence now in everything from law and order to national defence.
A fear of sticking up for young girls being abused by rape gangs over so many decades so as not to upset community relations.
Well, Kemi was in government for 14 years, so some Conservative critics would say, why didn't you implement those freedom ideas when you were on the inside?
Someone who would say that is Nigel Farage.
He's the leader of the Reform Party UK.
Even though they only have a half a dozen or less MPs, believe it or not, they're leading in all recent opinion polls.
Here's a slice of Nigel.
Most effective way of enriching the absolutely poor and likely of serving long-term environmental needs is to make people wealthy so they can afford to care about the future, especially in the developing world.
And so I'm kind of wondering, you have an opportunity now, because the right is split in the UK, to really hash things out on the Conservative side.
And this sort of thing happened a bit in Canada.
And that means that it's possible now for Conservatives to push the envelope.
And I'm really curious about your view on, it isn't exactly even on net zero, which I think is an appalling policy, to get that right out on the table.
But more than that, it's like, how appalling is it?
Good morning, everybody.
Yeah. Yeah.
Old-fashioned upbringing couldn't help it.
First things first, the right is not split in this country.
The Conservative Party is not on the right in any measurable way.
14 years that brought us the highest tax burdens since 1947.
14 years that saw mass immigration, legal mass immigration on a scale hitherto never even dreamt of.
14 years that saw illegal immigration, small boats crossing the Channel and the government completely incapable of dealing with it because they couldn't face up to what membership of the European Convention on Human Rights was all about.
And 14 years that saw net zero enshrined into law by a Conservative government and Boris Johnson, Theresa May, as evangelical about net zero as the current Ed Miliband.
We take the view that if we're going to be using gas, if we're going to be using oil in this country until 2050, and even the most zealous net zero types accept we'll be using these commodities for years to come, our view is if we're going to be using them, we may as well produce them ourselves in our own country and genuinely become energy independent.
And our platform, our platform, is to reindustrialise Britain.
We've closed down our steel industry.
We think closing down the steel industry is good because it means our national CO2 output is down.
happens is the plant closes in Red Car, the plant closes in South Wales, it reopens in India under lower environmental standards and then the steel is shipped back to us.
So let's produce all the stuff we need in this country.
Let's become not just energy independent, we could actually become an energy exporter.
Right now, every day we import 10 to 15% of our electricity and our industrial energy prices are between four and six times higher than America.
Not only that, but everybody out there, and of course this hurts the poor more than anybody, we've had 20% subsidies on domestic electricity bills going on now for best part of two decades.
And it's a truth that no one dares tell.
So look, net zero is a complete and utter disaster if you want to have energy production that is very, very low in carbon output.
There is only one way ahead.
That is small, modular nuclear reactors, dozens of them all over the country.
The only way forward.
It's the only way forward.
And, you know, if you look at the way the Far East produces nuclear energy, we can do it a damn sight cheaper than we've ever done it before.
Okay.
Well, that warms our Canadians' heart.
Well, those are partisan politicians, but there are people here who are outside partisan politics.
They're more philosophers, thinkers, scholars, academics.
And there's about 4,000 people gathered here at this massive East London Conference Centre.
I'm told about a third of them are American, about the same number are Brits.
My own guess is that there's about 150 Canadians, and then there's people from Australia, pretty serious contingent.
And then there's folks from the continent.
I met people from Germany, France, Switzerland.
I really think this is destined to become an annual conservative, freedom-oriented conference.
I say conservative, but I would expand it beyond that.
There are some people here who are interested in religion.
The State of Freedom Complexity00:11:58
There's people who would call themselves probably more libertarian.
I don't know.
I find it interesting because it's still very nascent.
The first gathering was only a year and a half ago, so they're still sort of figuring out themselves.
I think the state of freedom in the UK, it's a little bit complex.
In some ways, things are much worse than they are in Canada.
Our Online Harms Act was vaporized when Justin Trudeau dissolved Parliament.
But here, they have a de facto Online Harms Act.
Every year in the United Kingdom, thousands of people are arrested for what they call non-crime hate incidents for posts they make on Facebook.
I'll just pick a random example.
Take a look at these cops going to someone's home over social media posts.
Nope.
The Hampshire Police would realise how ridiculous this is.
It is ridiculous.
It is, of course, I'm happy to come to this.
What, what, what, what?
What did it need to come to?
Tell us why you're estimating it to this level, because I don't understand.
I posted something that he posted.
You come to arrest me, you don't arrest him.
Why has it come to this?
Why am I in cuffs?
Because there's something he shared then I shared.
Because someone has been caused, obviously, anxiety based upon your social media page.
That's why you've been arrested.
And it's not even for what people say out loud.
One of the most bizarre things about the United Kingdom is how often people are arrested for praying silently in their own head.
I don't know if you remember, but just a week or so ago, I talked to one lady who's been arrested several times.
Take a look at this.
It is causing people to rattle harm and stress.
And although I know you're not saying anything, it is causing people these issues.
They know who you are.
Do you understand?
So, because somebody knows who I am, then that's causing them harassment.
Because you're the lead of an anti-abortion organization, it is causing people issues.
I'm not going to go into the internet a bit because you know that.
You know, you shouldn't be here.
No, I don't.
I don't.
I think I'm perfectly entitled to be here.
What do you do, African pleasure?
Do you leave 150 meters?
I really don't see that I need to.
I'm literally just standing here silently saying some prayers.
Is there anything I can reasonably say or do to make you leader this map?
I don't think that is a reasonable thing to ask me to do.
Simply because of my beliefs that I'm being asked to move.
Yeah, so this happened about a week ago in Birmingham, and it becomes even more ludicrous when you realize the backstory to this.
That already I was arrested previously for my silent prayers on exactly the same spot.
I went to court.
I was acquitted.
I was re-arrested two weeks later by six police officers who took me away in a police van telling me my prayers were an offence.
And even after that, I had police officers coming out trying to give me tickets, telling me I'd be fined.
And in the end, I had to resort to making a claim against the police for unlawful arrest, for force imprisonment, and for assault.
And I received a settlement for that.
And now, since then, this has happened.
So, you know, before I was being told that my prayers were an offence, now effectively, it's me that's the offence.
It's all very well giving me compensation, but if that doesn't translate into changes, what's it worth?
It was never about me being out of pocket.
It was about officers across the force behaving very unprofessionally or grossly misunderstanding the law, which still seems to be happening.
There's other dystopian things here in the United Kingdom.
We talk about 15-minute cities.
That sounds sort of cool.
Sounds like a cool neighborhood.
Now, the reality of 15-minute cities is when the state says you must live in your little hutch and you're not allowed to go beyond it.
Here in the UK, they have a phrase called ULES, which stands for ultra-low emissions zone, which means they're trying to stop cars from going in and out.
And if you dare to drive in a ULES, an ultra-low emissions zone, when you're not allowed to, a spy camera, a surveillance camera, captures your license or I don't know what other sensors they have, if it's facial recognition, and you'll be issued a fine.
They have these so-called ULES cameras all over the place.
I think, second only to Communist China, the UK has got to be the most surveilled country in the world.
But I said it's a complex situation.
I'm telling you all the bad things that happened.
For example, last summer, when there was a murder by an Islamic terrorist stabbing little girls, there were riots in response, and hundreds of people were charged for social media posts.
So things are very dark in the UK.
But at the same time, there's a spirit of freedom resilient.
That, I don't know, that Churchill response.
And I also want to show you sort of a naughty response.
It reminds me of George Orwell's book, 1984, when he said, if there's any hope, it lies with the proles.
And I've mentioned this to you before: those ULES cameras, there's rogue bandits that call themselves blade runners, and they operate quickly.
They go out with a little steel-cutting saw, which is not no one, it's not a common thing, but you can get a little saw that cuts through a steel pole.
And in under 30 seconds, these blade runners, when they spot one of these ULES cameras, they go there and they cut it down in and out in one minute.
So look, that's the dichotomy.
You've got sort of the rule of law, traditional Brits who might say, well, we don't approve of such vigilante action, but at least there's a spirit of freedom underneath it.
And I see the same thing, for example, here in the UK, they have a freedom-oriented TV station called GB News.
I'm a big fan of it.
And I'd say it's by far, obviously, more freedom-oriented than anything in Canada.
And I'd put it on par with Fox News in the United States.
However, it labors under a heavy regulation.
There's an office of media called Ofcom that you can complain about any TV show, and the government will investigate you at great lengths.
But even the press here, even like the printing press, the newspapers, I think they are less cancel culture-ish than in Canada.
I mean, the idea that Nigel Farage or others like him would be on TV talk shows or have columns in these newspapers, again, would be unthinkable in Canada.
I think, would Maxime Bernier, the leader of the People's Party, be allowed to have an op-ed in the Globe and Mail?
Probably not.
Would he be interviewed on CBC or CTV?
Probably not.
And Nigel Farage is in the UK.
So it's sort of a checkerboard.
You've got some deep problems.
For example, they are so further down the road than we are in Canada when it comes to mass immigration.
They have terrible problems like that, and they have a lot of terrorist incidents.
I mentioned the recent stabbing.
So it's very interesting to be a conservative in the UK.
And I love coming here.
You know what I say?
It's like a dystopian time machine.
I can look five years into our own future.
Now, I was attempting to do one more thing.
As you know, we try and help Tommy Robinson in a number of ways.
And I visited him in prison about two months ago.
I had scheduled another visit at HMP, His Majesty's Prison, Woodhill, on Sunday.
I flew in.
I was going to go straight to the prison, but I received an email from the prison governor banning me from the prison.
And the accusation against me was that I might talk about the visit afterwards.
Now, of course, that's no reason to deny someone a prison visit.
I'm a free person.
I can talk about the visit.
In fact, I think I have a duty to talk about how Tommy Robinson is doing in prison.
And I think he has the right to talk to me.
We both have the right.
He has the right to tell me things.
I have the right to hear it and to say it.
But I was so committed to visiting him just to see how he's doing in solitary confinement that I wrote back to the prison governor and I said to her, I don't need to go in as a journalist.
I can go in on a private capacity as Tommy's friend, as someone who's trying to help him help his family financially.
As you know, we're raising money for the kids.
And I said that I'm a former barrister and solicitor.
I would take it very seriously to give my solemn promise not to chat about things if that really was the reason she was banning me.
No answer back.
So I didn't see Tommy Robinson.
And the reason why that's troubling is because I have things to tell him and I have things to hear from him.
But he also needs the visits.
He's in solitary confinement all day long.
He's allowed out to have a quick shower and he's allowed out to exercise for about an hour a day and that's it.
And the thing is, no human being is designed to live nine months in solitary confinement.
He's not even in as a criminal prisoner.
So it's very concerning what's going on.
And by canceling my visit, they're not just denying me the substance of the visit, but the visit itself.
And they're canceling a raft of Tommy's visitors, which means he's simply not getting the human contact.
I think it's a strategy not just to cut Tommy off from his political and journalistic friends, but to drive the man mad.
You cannot put someone in a cage for nine months.
You know this from the zoo.
In a zoo, the elephants have challenges.
They have things they can play with and scratch against and play.
Otherwise, the tigers and the elephants and the other creatures will go mad.
I don't know if you know that, but they have to stimulate the mind of these more intelligent animals or they'll go mad.
If that's the case for dumb beasts like an elephant, surely it's that way much more so for a human being.
And I'm terrified of what they're trying to do to Tommy Robinson.
So that was one of my purposes to come to the UK as well.
Anyways, I want to just show you, we'll show you while I'm talking some of these booths here at the on exhibition here, sort of a trade show, and we'll show you some clips from some of the more interesting speakers.
My favorites, of course, are the ones who talk about the deep civilization divides, like Douglas Murray and Ian Hirsi Ali, both of whom spoke here.
Let me give you a taste of their comments.
So good to see all of you here, and thank you to the organizers of ARC for inviting me.
Perhaps I could just start by saying that I think that the challenge that Philippa and the organizers of this conference have laid out is much bigger even than we speakers have been told.
It's a sort of challenge upon a challenge to be invited to be optimistic about the future from the wastelands of East London.
And I'd like to tell all foreign visitors to this conference that if you go just a few miles from this conference center, you'll find a most charming and historical city with many landmarks worth seeing.
Age of Reconstruction00:02:38
One of the questions, I think, that all ages ask themselves is what do they call the age that they are in?
Almost every age has had this question.
Most recently, the Age of Modernism asked what comes after modernism.
And the rather unoriginal idea was postmodernism.
Postmodernism, of course, included its offspring of deconstructionism, and nothing came from that.
But I would like to suggest a name for the age that we should be in and the age that this conference can help bring in.
The age of reconstruction.
We should be the reconstructionists.
The deconstructionists knew something about how to take things apart, but like children with bicycles, had no idea how to put them back together.
So it'll be the job of people like those in this room to try to put that civilization back together.
And I'm delighted that that's one of the things that we're gathered here to do.
The belief that all humans are created in God's image, Genesis 1.27, underpins ideas of equal worth, human rights, and dignity for all individuals, including the poor and the neglected.
Biblical teachings such as, love your neighbor as yourself, Leviticus 19.18, emphasizes care for others and fairness in governance.
The Bible's distinction between God's sovereignty and earthly authority, Matthew 22, 21, influenced the Western principle that the state should not overreach into matters of faith and conscience.
Biblical ethics stress that rulers and citizens are accountable to a higher moral law, ensuring that government acts justly and protects the vulnerable.
Romans 13, 3 to 4.
These principles collectively shaped Western values like democracy, human rights, and constitutional government.
That is why my message to you today and the message of Courage.media is to stress that responsible citizenship in the West is inseparable from Christian morality.
Euthanasia and Collective Morality00:13:39
Hey, one more reason I came over here.
I mean, Jordan Peterson, by the way, is a real leader of this event.
He gave a speech.
He's on panels.
And I think that's wonderful.
I think he's truly Canada's leading public intellectual.
And that just drives all the failed left-wing professors kooky.
It drives them mad that a conservative opinion leader like Jordan Peterson is as successful as he is while they toil away at some second-rate Canadian university pumping their woke Marxism into young minds.
It's good to be here with the 150 Canadians.
It's good to see the speeches and to see some sort of collective, I guess as collective as conservatives can be.
But there's one more reason I came, and that is to welcome our new team in the UK.
As you know, Tommy Robinson used to be a journalist with us years ago.
Now he's on his own with something called Urban Scoop.
But we hired Sammy Woodhouse, as you may recall.
She was a victim and whistleblower in the case of the Rotherham rape gangs, and she's been an activist fighting against that phenomenon for a dozen years.
Anyhow, she's joined us as a journalist.
So I'll close today's show with some of the interviews that Sammy did here.
And I think she's coming along great.
I think she's going to be a great citizen journalist.
So let me close with videos of my colleague, Sammy Woodhouse and our videographer, Schillitz.
Take a look.
So tell me what brings you to the archivist today.
So I'm here with Help for Justice.
We're an anti-trafficking organization and we're here to talk to all the people here about the work that we do and to bring the issue of trafficking to a wider audience.
I think it's one of the fastest growing sectors in the world.
It's worth about 260 billion.
Trafficking in humans is a growing issue and a challenge globally.
And we're here to tell people what we're doing to try to end slavery.
So yeah, and we're trying to do that through the work that we do with companies and through our Slave Free Alliance organization and also through the work we do directly with through our INGOs, working with partners, governments and other organizations.
So yeah.
Is there anything that you would like to say to the females of the UK?
Yeah, thank you for let us speak.
And I would like to say to English girl, if they want to create something like collective nemesis in England, we'll be really happy to do it.
I think England needs to have a collective nemesis with denounce all violence against women.
So no doubt, if you want to be engaged, engaged.
You can follow us on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and YouTube.
And collective nemesis.
And let's work together.
Adea, you are here today at the ORC event.
What brings you here?
So I'm here because I'm concerned about the direction of travel in terms of a lot of conversations that are happening in the public sphere and things in relation to social cohesion, the economic situation of the country as well.
And I'm just here to meet like-minded people and discuss certain things in terms of how our country can progress and how we can rebuild certain traditional things like the family community and things like that.
It's amazing to see so many people from so many walks of life and countries.
What a reunion here, working on all kinds of issues, education, family, culture, politics, and this whole vision toward telling a better story.
A posture of confidence is palpable.
This is what has changed.
Now, no longer in a position of insecurity and tepidity, people are starting to find their courage and act with boldness.
That's what I noticed here.
Wow.
Yeah, it's exciting.
Last wee spoke, you're working on fighting against MAID, medical assistance in dying, which is the latest euphemism for mercy killing.
But they have so many phrases, and once it gets too toxic, they discard it for a new one.
Medical assistance in dying, it sounds so medical, but it's really just doctor Jakovorkian stuff.
Now we're in the UK, and the word here is assisted dying.
This is an issue right now being discussed by many people in England who are concerned that there's a risk of following suit.
Canada is on the one hand a cautionary tale of what not to do and has in many respects led to countries staving off the euthanasia experiment in their own places.
But the UK is on the brink and it's passing through Parliament.
So there's a lot of discussion here about euthanasia.
I'm finding many people working on this, concerned about it.
And Canada is the warning.
So I'm grateful that we can stand as a sign of what not to do, but it also tells us how much work we have to do, given that one in 20 deaths is a euthanasia death in Canada.
And so this is touching so many people to the extent that I recently met a man for coffee just a few years older than me and he told me that three out of four of his grandparents were killed.
Two of his grandmothers within eight months.
This is shattering and I'm grateful that this is a gathering where we're learning that we belong to one another, that there's a social fabric, that there are things we actually seek to conserve as conservatives, that life has dignity, that hope needs to be reawakened.
So it's a great forum for delving into all of these themes.
Well, I mean, that's crazy.
If one out of 20 deaths is doctor assisted dying, like that's got to be more than many forms of cancer or other disease.
That's crazy.
Last question.
JD Vance came to Munich last week at a security conference.
He talked about freedom, freedom of the press, freedom of speech, and democracy.
You didn't actually talk that much about security.
I think the US is reclaiming sort of its global mantle of moral leadership.
I don't think you're going to see a global cop.
I don't think you're going to see American Empire with tanks and invasions.
Trump's not that way.
But in the form of Marco Rubio and JD Vance and even Elon Musk, I think you're seeing ideas being exported.
At least that's how it feels to me.
What's your observation about that?
Certainly, countries are taking note and wondering, are our countries also worthy of protection?
Do we have a national identity that we want to safeguard?
Is there a vision around which we can coalesce as a basis for integrating such that people kind of fall away by their own decision if they don't opt into some set of shared values?
And I have been grateful as well to see the emphasis on combating anti-Semitism in all the respective contexts in which this has become a massive global crisis.
And regimes will begin to differentiate themselves for a kind of moral sanity in the face of this new anti-Semitism, which is old but always mutating into new forms.
And I'm just so grateful to see that this has been on a lot of people's radar here and has been a basis for some of the concerns and discussion around security.
I mean I've been working around trafficking for over 12 years.
I was trafficked myself.
I was exploited.
So you probably are aware that there are thousands of children being groomed, abused, raped, trafficked, tortured, criminalized, impregnated.
Do you find that a lot of women and children as well was made pregnant through their exploitation?
So I'm in our global programmes.
Yes.
Yeah, so we heard cases of that, but it's like something our frontline staff deal with.
It's not something like, you know, that I deal with on a day-to-day basis.
But I know it is a challenge to deal with.
Addich out to my exploitation as well.
What I found in the UK, because I'm trying to change laws around that, is that there are no support services, no laws, no protection for children that are barned from rape.
Do you think that support services and this help should be in place for children born from this?
Well, of course.
But I'm not, I would have to refer to, like, I'm not a UK expert on this, so I think, like, you know, I mean, it just sounds like, yeah, support services should be in place for children, like in any of those circumstances, but I wouldn't know like the details.
And I'm really sorry to hear about your experience, it's awful.
And I'm glad that you're an advocate for survivors now.
Like, that's really, really.
And yeah, and I hope the UK does more in this space.
So pitting groups against each other.
So, for example, ethnic minorities sort of trying to, there's these toxic narratives that makes it seem that they can't achieve or move forward, you know, without some kind of, you know, to be very, you know, specific, without white saviors coming to their rescue.
And then it's taking away that sense of agency, right?
That individual accountability and responsibility that harms us ethnic minorities by making them feel like victims or making them feel like they are able to, you know, take charge of their own circumstances and their own lives.
What were you doing in prison?
I went to visit one of the federal prisons in Canada in Saskatchewan, and there I actually had the occasion to meet two men serving life sentences.
These are Indigenous men in a prison that's a predominantly Indigenous population there.
And I was able to discuss euthanasia with them and to ask if they had heard about our so-called medical assistance in dying, which they had.
How?
There's very tight security and there's no media, they're not on the internet.
They had heard about Canada's euthanasia program from the CBC.
Imagine prisoners serving life sentences and where does the idea become planted that they could have not capital punishment, which has become illegal in Canada, but a kind of voluntary capital punishment of euthanasia.
They learned about it on TV in prison, catching wind about Canada's euthanasia program from the CBC.
That is terrifying and that is deeply saddening.
Now when I spoke with them, I asked them, do you see a value to your own life?
One of the men said, well, I wake up each day.
I'm breathing.
I hope so.
How can these Indigenous men who are serving life sentences see more clearly the value of life than those who are trying to propagate our euthanasia society?
This visit moved me very deeply and I realized that for many prisoners, if a prisoner is actively showing signs of suicidality, they will actually put that person in an isolation room with a camera to kind of monitor that they don't harm themselves.
It's not necessarily the best remedy.
And yet if someone asks for euthanasia, there's a doctor who will come, they'll be made comfortable.
It's almost like assisted suicide is the more accompanied form of dying.
And so we're really abandoning the most vulnerable, including prisoners.
And it's been a couple years since we've seen data on how many prisoners have opted for euthanasia in Canadian prisons.
This demands more investigation.
I bet they're pushing it.
How could they not?
It's a risk.
From a budget point of view, from a hassle point of view, it's in the government's interest to get these people to kill themselves.
It is so sad.
And yet when I visited these men, I gleaned so much from them because, again, they're capable of seeing a certain value to their life, even though they're in prison.
Let me tell you, I asked one of the men, what do you miss most about your freedom?
And this man said, I miss being able to take out the garbage when I want to do it.
Who is asking for euthanasia today relishes getting to take out the garbage on their own terms?
And so we have so much to learn from those who are at greatest risk of being discarded, dismissed, and discounted in our society.
And what might we lose if we eschew that?
Wow.
Thanks for telling that story.
You bet.
Thanks.
Well, whenever you're done, what you're doing, you got to come and work for Rebel News.
Thanks, Ezra.
Take care.
Amanda Ackman, what's the best way to follow your work?
DyingTomeetYou.com.
There you have it.
Amanda Ackman.
I hope she comes work for Rebel News.
I make her that job offer every year or two, and she always, she never says no, but she never says yes.
One day maybe.
All right, take care.
See you.
Well, that's our show for today from East London, from this huge exhibition hall.
Until next time, on behalf of all of us at Rebel News, to you at home, good night.