Ezra Levant and Barbara Kay expose Justin Trudeau’s alleged Islamist-driven immigration policies, including unvetted migrants from Gaza and countries with anti-Semitic textbooks, fueling Montreal’s rising violence—three arrests for 10,000 rioters. They critique Trudeau’s absence at key moments, like the Notre Dame Basilica protests or Paris Cathedral opening, and compare his approach to Obama’s Al-Azhar speech. Levant warns Canada’s demographic shift risks making Montreal less safe than Dubai by 2049, while Kay highlights police prioritizing mobs over Jewish protesters. Trump’s re-election offers hope for a global counterbalance, but Levant urges sustained activism against Canada’s perceived ideological surrender. [Automatically generated summary]
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Tonight, is Dubai a safer city for Jews to live in than Montreal?
It's December 10th, and this is the Ezra Levant Show.
Shame on you, you censorious wubug.
Well, as I said yesterday, I'm not quite sure that the rebel commander, that's my nickname, who has taken over Syria is much of a liberator.
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I think it's out of the frying pan into the fire.
I don't, for one second, defend Bashar Assad, and some of the scenes from those political prisons are absolutely shocking, the most depraved conditions imaginable.
I will even use the phrase Nazi-like or certainly Stalinist.
And no doubt people who have hated the Assad family for two generations are delighted to see it replaced.
But I fear what has come in its place is even worse.
It reminds me in so many ways of Muamar Gaddafi, the tyrant of Libya, who was deposed only to have absolute chaos, lawlessness, open-air slave markets, and aversion of ISIS take over that country.
And it was a starter pistol to millions of migrants from Africa and the Middle East into Europe.
Perhaps the most fateful decision ever done by Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State.
I see many of the same forces at play now.
And I wonder if the celebrations around the West by Syrian expat communities mean some of them will return home to Syria or the opposite, if others will flee Syria toward the West.
That's a question that every Canadian should think about.
Justin Trudeau got elected in part by his promise to bring in tens of thousands of Syrian migrants to Canada.
And he thinks he can extend his stay by doing the same again, ramping up immigration to never-before-seen levels and breaking the Canadian consensus of immigration at the same time.
But I think one of the cities most racked by violence or threats of violence from these Syrian migrants and others of the Islamic persuasion is that of Montreal.
Montreal is a favorite for many refugees and migrants from French-speaking countries like Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, and others from the Maghreb, as it's called.
And it was only a couple weeks ago that Montreal was the site of a Damascus-style, Gaza-style, perhaps you could say Amsterdam-style riot.
While that Prime Minister Justin Trudeau partied the night away, exchanging friendship bracelets with teenage girls at the Taylor Swift concert, at that precise moment, a combination, a coalition of pro-Hamas extremists and antifa street thugs smashed their way through the city while the collected leaders of NATO watched in astonishment.
Trudeau was nowhere to be found.
Here, take a look at some of that riot footage.
I should say, despite the fact that hundreds, maybe even thousands of people participated in those riots, that night there were literally only three arrests made by the police of Montreal.
Well, that's violence at its worst so far.
May it not get any worse.
But what we see in Montreal is a constant low-level assault on normal.
Here's some imagery of pro-Hamas extremists parked outside the Notre Dame Basilica, not to be confused with the Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris, but the marvelous cathedral in Montreal.
When Islamic extremists who call for Sharia law protest outside a Catholic church, it's not for any reason other than to intimidate and displace.
Perhaps one day conquer, perhaps one day torch as its namesake in Paris was torched.
Recently, François Legaud, the Premier of Quebec, announced that he was sick of having Middle Eastern, he said, Middle Eastern migrants on the streets praying in a place that blocked the public.
Here's what he said about that.
Well, it's nice for him to wake up some 14 months after it began, but I put it to you that we don't need more laws, especially laws focusing on the religious aspect.
It's the territorial aspect.
It's the breaking of existing laws.
You don't need to ban religion in the public place, a ban that will surely be used against Jews and Christians too.
You need just to enforce the regular laws against nuisance, mischief, trespass, vandalism, uttering threats.
Had Quebec done that from the beginning, it wouldn't be in the riotous situation it's in now.
Well, joining us now to talk about what's happening to Canada's second most populous city is our friend Barbara Kay, who lives in Montreal and has been watching us from a front row seat.
Barbara, great to see you again.
Good to be here, Ezra.
You know, Montreal was such a Jewish city.
Obviously, it was a Catholic city and a French city and an Anglo city.
But for, I don't know, 50 years, maybe 100 years, it was a city also of Leonard Cohen, of Mordecai Ritzler, of, you know, of Delhi's and Jewish street life and Ashkenazi.
And there were so many things about it that were safe and peaceful and happy.
But that Montreal's gone forever, isn't it?
It seems that it is.
I mean, I hope it's not gone forever, but it certainly doesn't look like it's going to come back anytime soon.
And I agree, it was always a city in which Jewish culture flourished, both Ashkenazi and Sephardic, since the 1960s.
You know, probably half the population now is of Sephardic origin.
They bring their own wonderful traditions from the Middle East and their own, of course, they're French-speaking and very vibrant.
Of course, very strong institutional life.
You know, the Jewish general hospital and the Jewish agencies that serve the entire city, Jewish theater, Yiddish theater.
It's not gone, but it certainly could be gone if things don't turn around, that's for sure.
I'm glad you mentioned Sephardi Jews, just for our viewers who don't know.
Ashkenazi Jews are typically Western European Jews, Central European Jews, typically from Germany or Poland or Ukraine, you could say, where Sephardi Jews are often from Arab lands, places like Morocco, Iraq even, where they were expelled often in the 50s and 60s as a kind of ethnic cleansing.
Some of them went to Israel, but some of them, being French speakers, would have gone to Quebec as well.
I don't know.
Things, I mean, demographics is destiny.
Our friend Mark Stein has been telling us that for 20 years, I suppose.
And, you know, Canada's demographics were deliberately altered through a campaign of mass migration.
I think Trudeau accelerated that, and he had an Islamic immigration strategy for political reasons as much as anything else.
There's no particular economic reason for it.
But if Stephen Harper was known as a friend of the Jews, and if Trudeau couldn't compete with that, well, if he would bring in a million Muslim migrants on his watch, that would more than offset the Jewish vote.
I really do think it was political.
What do you think?
I think it was political, and I think there's something very fascinating and exotic to a certain kind of mindset.
They have no use for their own culture.
They're bored with their own culture.
They think their own culture is old-fashioned, and it's time to turn the page on.
You know, Christianity is old news to them, and they pride themselves on being post-religious.
But there's something about Islam that they find very exotic and very attractive.
And so, yes, I think it was political.
He did want to change the character of the culture.
He did want to make it multicultural, and what was the easiest way to do it?
And a way that attracted him, too.
I see that he is attracted to Islam, and he does not see Islamism as a force that is changing this country in a rather alarming way.
I think his brother had an impact on us too, his brother Alexandra, who has never met a tyrant he doesn't like.
I guess that runs in the family.
Pierre Trudeau was the same way.
Alexandre Trudeau produced a movie called The New Great Game that was entirely sympathetic to Iran and the Ayatollah.
Now, that may be his natural point of view.
I'm sure it is.
But the film was actually produced by state media in Iran.
So it's not just that he was a pro-Iran shill, which I think should question his judgment and his ethics.
He literally worked for the government of Iran, propagating their message, the definition of propaganda.
Despite that, Trudeau, Justin Trudeau, made Alexandra his policy advisor in his leadership rhyme.
No, I agree with you.
Alexandra definitely holds views that I find distasteful, to say the least.
And I think I'm reminded in Trudeau's sort of fascination with Islam and Iran.
I'm reminded of President, ex-president, former President Obama, who was infatuated with the idea that Iran should be the strong man of the Middle East, and that he had this idea that if Iran was the leader or had the power to kind of be the force that kept a lid on everything in the Middle East,
that that would be a good thing.
He was completely wrong in his estimation, and a great deal of the unrest and disturbance and violence in the Middle East that we have seen in the last few years is a result of his failed and misguided policy.
And I think Trudeau, in his own way, reminds me very much of Obama in terms of letting his fascination with this culture that is completely different from our own and for that reason, very appealing.
He has allowed our country to, well, as you can see, and as you've said, he has not put a lid on the violence that has erupted since October 7th.
He's done very little.
And by the way, that riot, the anti-NATO riot, it wasn't anti-NATO.
They happened to be there.
That riot, I believe, erupted because he made a public statement saying that he fully supported the International Criminal Court.
And yes, he would arrest Netanyahu and Yoav Gallant if they were to come to Canada because he felt bound to, you know, to support that court.
And they took from that the message that it was, yes, open season on Jews because to them, Jews and Israel are all the same.
So I believe that that was actually connected.
And it's tragic that, look, fish rot from the head.
Trudeau has shown zero leadership on the growing anti-Semitism, and he has issued platitudes.
It's very easy for a leader to say the right things and do the right things.
And we have seen Donald Trump make pronouncements.
You will see anti-Semitism subside in the United States after he becomes, he's inaugurated.
And you will see campuses take control of their campuses because he has threatened to withhold funding if they don't.
And you will see that people will be deported or that people will be jailed or that there will be a very strong leadership on that file and you will see a direct result and things will get better, I believe, once he is in power.
If you don't take a strong stand, the leadership does not, the message is sent.
I don't care.
I don't care that this is happening and I'm not seeing it.
I'm not prepared to do anything about it.
He is giving permission for these riots to continue and for anti-Semitism to be rife in our streets.
But can I just say, you said something I would like to respond to.
You said religion isn't the issue and Muslims praying in the streets, there's nothing wrong with that in the public forum.
I actually disagree with you.
I think that when aggressive activists, Muslim activists, take to the streets to pray, it's not about expressing piety or faith or their love for Allah.
It's about saying, we are dominating your public spaces and we will triumph in this country.
Our religion is going to triumph in this country.
So I do not see Christians praying in the streets.
I don't see Jews praying in the streets.
I don't see Hindus praying in the streets.
Nobody prays in the streets.
The public forum is for everybody to enjoy and everybody to meet and greet each other.
It's not for one group to start chanting prayers and everybody else has to sort of, you know, walk around or not speak up or not.
That's no longer a public forum.
They've turned the public space into a prayer space and their prayers are often tinged with political ideology.
Islam is both a religion and an ideology.
And in these spaces, when they do these organized performance theater of praying in the street, there's a very strong message there.
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And it's a political message, not a message of faith, in my opinion.
I agree with every word you said.
I think maybe I expressed myself too briefly.
It's the political domination using religion as the excuse and daring us say, well, you wouldn't violate your belief in civil liberties and multiculturalism, would you?
It's a two-fold tactic.
It's weaponizing Islam and it's daring us to do something about it, relying on the fact that we're apologetic liberal Westerners and we will always accommodate the other.
Oh, I agree with you.
I mean, my point on that is Lego doesn't actually need to ban religion in the public square because there are plenty of laws to get people off the street.
You can't just walk on the street.
At the very least, you get a jaywalking charge.
You can get more than that.
But I think, but wasn't he more commenting on the seven schools that he, there were seven schools that he was saying that they were allowing prayer in the school and that the teachers were themselves Muslim and encouraging prayer in the school.
And he was very exercised about that because, as you know, Quebec is militantly committed to secularism in schools.
I happen to agree with that.
I'm perfectly okay with Bill 21, and I am perfectly okay with all prayer in the school not happening.
And I think that it apparently has been in certain schools that are dominated, that have a strong population of Muslims, including amongst the teachers, that this is going on and it should not.
I agree with him on that.
I want to tell you that I really don't disagree with a word you said.
I think maybe I was being too subtle by suggesting that the Premier has other.
It's like when I hear people saying we need laws against online anti-Semitism.
We need the Online Harms Act to stop anti-Semitism.
And I think, are you kidding me?
I see anti-Semitism in real life every day.
The police in my own town abide threats, vandalism, mischiefs, you know, almost like a Kristallnacht.
And you're saying, oh, if only we had this extra law, we could do something about it.
My point to Lego would be the same point to those who support a censorship bill, which is we're just not even enforcing the laws right now for whatever political reason.
And I don't think we need to say no religion on the main street of the city because we already have other laws saying no nothing on the main street of the city without, you know, you get a parade permit.
Maybe there's a St. Patrick's Day parade or whatever it is, a controlled planned community event, not a hate march.
But you said other things that I forgot about Obama and how exotic he was.
And I don't know if you remember this, Barbara, but do you remember the very first international speech that Obama gave after he was inaugurated?
It was not in Canada.
It was not at the United Nations.
It was not even in Afghanistan or anything like that.
It was, if I'm not mistaken, I'm going from memory here.
I haven't thought about it in a while.
It was in Cairo.
Cairo, it was in Cairo.
At the Al-Azhar sort of university.
And he invited the Muslim Brotherhood, which is basically a multi-tentacle terror group, an Islamist extremist group.
He invited Iran to sit in the front row.
And I don't know if you remember this, but he actually introduced himself.
The only time I've ever heard him do that, I'm Barack Hussein Obama.
So he leaned into how exotic he was.
And the message he gave that day was, we're not going to judge you.
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Iran can choose its own future.
Any country here can choose their version of democracy.
And America's not going to respond.
Here's a quick clip of that speech, which was translated and subtitled into a dozen languages.
It was the greatest, most important foreign policy push of the Obama administration, at least the first term.
Here's a reminder to what that looked like.
Now, much has been made of the fact that an African American with the name Barack Hussein Obama could be elected President.
The fourth issue that I will address is democracy.
I know there has been controversy about the promotion of democracy in recent years, and much of this controversy is connected to the war in Iraq.
So let me be clear.
No system of government can or should be imposed by one nation by any other.
That does not lessen my commitment, however, to governments that reflect the will of the people.
Each nation gives life to this principle in its own way, grounded in the traditions of its own people.
America does not presume to know what is best for everyone, just as we would not presume to pick the outcome of a peaceful election.
But I do have an unyielding belief that all people yearn for certain things: the ability to speak your mind and have a say in how you are governed.
Confidence in the rule of law and the equal administration of justice.
Government that is transparent and doesn't steal from the people.
The freedom to live as you choose.
These are not just American ideas.
They are human rights.
And that is why we will support them everywhere.
Now, there is no straight line to realize this promise.
But this much is clear.
Governments that protect these rights are ultimately more stable, successful, and secure.
Suppressing ideas never succeeds in making them go away.
America respects the right of all peaceful and law-abiding voices to be heard around the world, even if we disagree with them.
And we will welcome all elected, peaceful governments, provided they govern with respect for all their people.
And I think you're exactly right.
I think Trudeau, when he plays dress up all the time, when he's always trying on a new costume, I think it's because there's no core to him.
When he says Canada is a post-national country, I think he's just sort of projecting he has no core.
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Who is he?
And the crazy irony there is he comes from a pillar of Canadian history.
He comes from a terrible but great prime minister.
He comes from a prime minister who served 16 years, who was elected time and again, who had strong views on bilingualism, on the Charter of Rights.
You can disagree or agree with Pierre Trudeau, but imagine being an apple that falls from the Pierre Trudeau tree and being so hollow and like, as the Bible would say, salt that has lost its saltiness.
I mean, he's not only hollow, he's ignorant of, and I don't think he's stupid, but he is ignorant of the world.
And this is a kid who, from the time he was very young, six or seven, he was accompanying his father around the world, meeting leaders of countries all over the world.
And if ever a child would have been encouraged to be interested in history and be interested in politics and be interested, it would have been him.
And I think he did study history, wasn't he a history teacher or something?
But this is somebody who is absolutely ignorant of the Middle East and has no interest and has no interest in foreign affairs.
So otherwise, he certainly would not have appointed Méleny Jolie to that role.
He has never shown that he knows what he's talking about when he talks about the Middle East or anywhere else.
So this is rather distressing too.
Obama is far more intelligent than Trudeau and is definitely interested in history and politics, but his choice of Iran to suck up to and to make his shining star to, you know, so that the mid the so that America could withdraw from the Middle East was simply misguided.
He had a vision.
He misunderstood Iran.
He misunderstood their intentions.
He misunderstood everything.
And that's not for lack of intelligence.
It's arrogance and a kind of a belief in his own, that his own reason told him this is what it should be.
This is what we, you know, what a reasonable policy would be, instead of actually looking at the facts on the ground.
Well, it'd be amazing to see what happens with Iran in the weeks ahead.
I tell you, between the destruction of Hezbollah, their terrorist group in Lebanon, between the collapse of Assad and Syria, between Israel eliminating Iran's air defenses, and between basically the end of the Gaza war.
I acknowledge there's 100 hostages yet to be released, but I mean, the ability of Hamas to cause strikes on Israel is very limited.
The Middle East has changed more in the last year than I think in the decade previous, other than the Abraham Accords that Trump achieved in his first term, and that I think he's going to build on quickly in his second term.
I don't know if we can.
I agree.
It's held up throughout all this turmoil.
Those accords have stood up.
And thanks to Israel's response to Hamas, Hezbollah, the dominoes that are falling in Syria, clearing a path to Iran.
Israel has destroyed all the air defenses in Syria.
They've destroyed the routes that are allowing Hezbollah to no longer get any arms.
So Hezbollah is crippled.
Hamas is pretty well defeated.
Assad is gone.
This is unbelievable what's going on in the Middle East today.
And you said you didn't know if these groups would be any better than Assad because they're like ISIS.
I mean, they're Islamist groups.
But I've noticed something very interesting about the one that's the big leader.
Sorry, I forget his name.
He did something very interesting.
As they paraded, as they made their way to Damascus, he said to, he told his men, do not harm the Christians or the Yazidis or the minorities.
He said, things are going to be different this time.
Maybe they will, and the Druze.
Maybe they will, maybe they won't.
But, you know, once again, Syria was put together as a country.
It had no actual rationale for, you know, was it a fit between the Alawites, Assad is an Alawite, the Sunnis, the Shiites.
It should have been, that should not have been the case.
You should not have had an Alawite leader for a largely Sunni population.
Anyways, I wouldn't say that even though they're Islamists, that they're not a lot more politically sophisticated than they used to be.
I honestly seem to see a glimmer of that, you know, very often former terrorists end up being, they turn into legitimate political leaders.
That has happened in the past.
And I see some hope here that there could be intelligent leadership there, but it's too soon to tell.
Well, I mean, there's the Trump effect, of course.
If you recall, short days after Trump was elected, the Houthis, the terrorist group in Yemen, unilaterally announced they were going to stop attacking freighters and other commercial ships going through the Red Sea and the Suez Canal.
And I don't think they would have made that announcement had Kamala Harris won.
Totally agree.
Totally agree.
And then Trump said, you better give back those hostages, or you're going to see to Hamas, or you'll rue the day you were born.
I mean, I think they're taking that very seriously.
I hear there's lists being drawn up of hostages that are going to be released.
It'll be interesting.
And I think that, I mean, if you remember, Obama toyed with ISIS for years, but Trump wrapped them up.
And in a matter of weeks, Trump took out a senior Iranian commander, Sulamani.
I think that there is something to be said about walk softly and carry a big stip.
In Trump's case, he walks very noisily, but that seems to do the trick.
Well, in the Middle East, power is what people respect.
This idea that you can de-escalate and get diplomacy, diplomacy, this idea that you can talk your way to peace.
It has never happened yet in the Middle East.
And, you know, unless things change very radically, it's like Osama bin Laden said, weak horse, strong horse.
People respect the strong horse.
That's the way it's always been in that corner of the world.
And it seems to be still the case.
So I would say, you know, you're going to see a strong horse coming in.
And it will be for America's good and for Israel's good, I would say.
So I'm looking forward to that transition.
You know, there was never a rally for Gaza or for Hamas in Abu Dhabi, in Dubai, in Riyadh.
In fact, the most atrocious places were in the West, were in Amsterdam, Montreal, Columbia University, Columbia University was single-handedly.
That's such a sewer.
That's such a sewer.
They're the worst.
They're the worst.
And it's in such a pearl, such a golden place.
It was.
And it's the West that houses these radicals.
It wouldn't put up with this for a moment.
No, I mean, you bring up a very good point.
The Abraham Accord countries, they really have learned a lot of lessons in the past 50 years.
And I would say if there's one really encouraging sign is what you said, that they were very quiet during the whole thing.
And right now, today, probably the safest place for Jews in the world, as the Emirates, as the Emmers say, is the United Arab Emirates.
They have consciously chosen to become pluralistic and to boast about their pluralism.
And they welcomed Christians, welcomed Jews, welcomed them to enjoy their religious freedom.
This to me is a very shocking thing because it's almost like Islam in their countries went through a reformation without using the word reformation.
So I really, we can't give up hope for the Middle East because there's reason to hope.
About the West, I don't think there's too much reason.
As you say, I don't think there's a lot of reason to have hope about the West.
I think we are in serious decline, except we'll see what happens in America.
But in Europe, Canada, Australia, these countries, they're just giving in.
They are giving in and accepting their decline as if that was a natural thing to happen when you have multiculturalism.
And if, you know, you just let it happen.
Yeah.
You made me think of a little anecdote, a little factoid.
Of course, there was always a direct flight from Toronto to Tel Aviv on Air Canada, and there were other airlines too from time to time.
Those are canceled.
You can't fly direct to Tel Aviv.
But one airline that never stopped flying to Tel Aviv was the Emirates and fly Dubai.
And airlines from the United Arab Emirates never stopped flying direct to Israel.
In fact, if you wanted to go from Canada, that's probably how you would have wound up going.
I find that little anecdote interesting.
I think that it'll be interesting to see what happens when the wars, when Abraham Accords Round 2 kicks in.
I think Lebanon may be the most hopeful part of that.
Lebanon has used to be a Christian majority.
Now it's a Christian minority, but there's still, they remember what life was like.
They used to call Beirut the Paris of the Middle East.
I've never been there, but it looks beautiful.
And they have had peace.
And I think that removing Hezbollah was a favor to many people in Lebanon.
Oh, I agree with you.
And I think most Lebanese would agree with you.
The problem is that their own non-Hezbollah infrastructure, political infrastructure is weak.
It's such a great opportunity now for the country to take back its government and to, if its army could impose themselves in the places where, because Hezbollah is very demoralized, if it's not going to happen now, I don't think anybody else can do it for them.
You can't, I mean, it would be stupid to ask Israel or any other country to come in and, you know, set them up to become a client state for any other country.
They have to do it.
They can be encouraged.
The West should encourage them and do everything they can to stand by Lebanon.
Same with Iran, because Iran is ripe for a revolution again.
You remember Obama did not support the one, the Green Revolution in, was it 2011 or 2012?
Remember Obama had, they begged America to help them and they were ready to rise up.
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And America, like under Obama, said, no, no, no.
But now Iran is weak.
And now's a good time for activists to start getting their act together.
It's going to happen.
A lot's going to happen.
Yeah, I bet.
You know, I mean, Donald Trump was very clear a couple of days ago talking about Syria, no U.S. troops there.
Part of his message is to disentangle Americans from the forever war.
And it'll be interesting to see how that works.
In his first term, it worked wonders.
No new wars.
Terrorism mopped up.
And by the way, neither China nor Russia nor Iran dared do anything because they were worried what would Trump do in response.
I actually do think that Trump, I don't know if it'll happen within 24 hours.
When he said he'll solve the Russia-Iran, the Russia-Ukraine war, he said he'll do it in a day.
I don't know about that, but it wouldn't surprise me if it's done.
They're obviously working on it now.
Trump and Zelensky met again in Paris at the opening of the cathedral.
And that's another thing.
Justin Trudeau refused to attend that cathedral.
I mean, that was a moment for Christendom, for anyone with a connection to France.
You would think that Trudeau from a French, the largest French city in North America, you would think he would have gone there Francois ago.
Why didn't he?
Why didn't he?
There's no good reason.
I mean, I could come up with my theories as, you know, he doesn't want to seem to be a supporter of the Catholic patriarchal church.
I mean, it was a very traditional, like there was no transgenderism, there was no feminism on display, there was no Black Lives Matter.
It was France encapsulated.
It was actually a beautiful ceremony.
I don't know why he didn't go.
Maybe because he, I have no idea why, because he likes to travel.
He likes to go to fancy places.
I don't know the real reason he didn't go.
He likes to hobknob.
He likes to hobnob with, you know.
Maybe he feels like he's on the back foot now.
He was given a dressing down by Donald Trump and Trump's arrival there.
He was the center of attention other than the church itself.
I don't know.
But maybe Trudeau is for the first time a little bit adrift and not knowing exactly what to do.
I think that the pressure on Trudeau is ramping up.
You mentioned how ditzy Melanie Jolie is, and that's very true.
And I think Trudeau knows that.
He didn't bring her down to the Mar-Ilago desperation meeting.
He brought Dominic LeBlanc, who's probably the closest thing to a competent cabinet minister in Trudeau's circle.
He brought his chief of staff, and I'm trying to remember who else he brought.
He did not bring the foreign minister.
Don't you think that's a bit weird that you don't bring your foreign minister to meet with the most important foreign leader?
But I think he didn't bring Deputy Prime Minister Christia Freeland because he knows they hate her.
And that was the closest thing to a grown-up dinner that Justin Trudeau had in a long time.
Yes, that is interesting.
Very interesting.
Well, I want to tell you this.
I'm more confident about the Middle East than I am about our own country.
I'm more confident that Israel can make peace with its neighbors than we can find peace on our streets.
And I think in part that's because, as you say, we have terrible moral leadership in this country.
I think also because we're continuing to bring in people we don't vet in any way.
There are no longer interviews when you immigrate to Canada.
You don't have an in-person interview.
They don't screen for anything whatsoever.
They don't check ideology.
They don't check extremism.
They don't check anti-Semitism.
And you bring over a million people from countries where anti-Semitism is endemic.
Don't be surprised when you have a lot of Hamas supporters.
We're one of the only two countries in the world stupid enough to bring in migrants from Gaza.
Are you going to be surprised when they're going to be able to?
No, no.
Of course, we're not going to be surprised.
But you know what would be the easiest thing to do?
You don't even have to have interviews because people can lie in interviews.
All you have to do is ask them where they went to school and then check out those schools and look at their textbooks.
Honestly, and you know what these people had been, at least you can't know if they're all, you know, going to have like that they all are full of hate or not full of hate.
But if you've ever, if they've been brought up in places where all the textbooks are full of hate for another people, then the odds are that they're not going to feel terrific about those other people when they see them in the majority.
It's much bigger than textbooks.
I mean, remember, a lot of these countries, people don't really have a lot of formal education.
I think it's just ubiquitous hatred for the West, hatred for the Jew who is seen as the epitome of the West, the Western enclave in the region.
But it is possible to pull it out by the roots.
I mean, if you were to ask me which will be a better city to be Jewish in 25 years from now, Montreal or Dubai, I would, you know, I would rather live in Montreal because it's Canada, because it's the country I'm from, because I have memories and history there.
But I would be lying if I thought that it would be safer for a Jew in Montreal 25 years from now than Dubai.
just don't think I could honestly say that it would be.
And you see Jewish doctors talking about leaving.
This isn't just about Jews.
I mean, the Jews are first, but when hundreds of pro-Hamas activists have a street protest outside the Notre Dame Basilica in Montreal, it's not the Jews they're after now.
It's, as they say, the Saturday people first and then the Sunday people.
I don't know.
I think these are dark days, but there's a glimmer of sunshine out there, glimmer of hope in the Middle East and in America.
Give me your final thoughts.
Is there anything that's caused for giving you some hope or optimism?
Yeah, I think I really, honestly, since Donald Trump got elected, and believe me, for a long time I was a Niver Trumper because of the obvious things about him.
And I felt that his first term was quite chaotic, even though he did a lot of good things.
I was very nervous.
I was very nervous about seeing him elected again.
But I have to say that because he was elected with such decisiveness, and when I saw that a lot of people, like blacks and Latinos and people that were unexpected, states turning that hadn't turned before, I said, this is a good thing.
The people of the United States have majoritarily decided they have had enough of the kind of thinking that has dragged our culture into a kind of despair, disunity.
And that is what gives me hope because people listen to America, whether they like America or they don't like America.
And I feel hope that this new administration is going to bring us to a better place, all of us, whether we like it or not, whether Canadians like it.
I think a lot of Canadians will like it, but that's my source of hope.
Yeah, I saw a poll that Donald Trump is now more popular in Canada than Justin Trudeau is popular.
That's so.
Well, that's very good.
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Okay.
That's a surprise.
That is.
Well, Barbara, it's great to catch up with you.
And I love Montreal.
How can you not love that city?
It's got the best of everything, but it has taken that suicide path of bringing in, of letting down the drawbridge to let the barbarians in.
And that never ends.
Well, great to see you.
Keep up the fight, my friend.
Same here, Ezra.
Good to see you.
And you keep up the good fight.
You're doing fantastic things.
You're all over the globe.
And I'm out of jail.
Bars couldn't hold me, Barbara.
Oh, no, they wouldn't want you.
They'd keep you in jail for one day.
You'd get everybody in the jail, like, you know, activated.
They'd kick you out.
They couldn't handle you.
Well, hopefully I won't be arrested again.
But you know what?
If that's where we are, I mean, I don't know if you followed that at all, but the police literally said my mere presence on the street was inciting others to breach the peace.
And in that moment, I understood why the cops said that.
I absolutely disagree with him.
But he was saying, let me translate into plain English.
This Hamas mob will get violent if I don't take the path of least resistance and move the Jewish guy.
So I'm going to do the bidding of the mob because otherwise my job gets hard.
That's what he was really saying.
That's their orders.
I mean, listen, they're following orders, so it goes up the chain.
You know, it's not, they didn't come up with this idea that we don't arrest anybody from the other side.
You know, that's their orders.
So that's true.
Really bad on our leaders.
It's the leadership.
We'll keep it up, and hopefully I won't go to the slammer again anytime soon.
But if I have to, I will.
All right.
Take care, my friend.
Nice to see you.
Keep the Aspedistra flying.
All right.
There you have it.
Barbara Kay, a columnist for the National Post and a good friend of Rebel News.