Ezra Levant slams "regime comedians" like Jimmy Kimmel and Stephen Colbert as political propagandists, mocking their emotional overreactions to Trump’s 2024 win—including claims it harmed women, immigrants, and NATO—while questioning their moral authority. He dismisses foreign attacks (e.g., UK’s David Lammy calling Trump a neo-Nazi) as undiplomatic, contrasts Canada’s weak defense spending (1% of GDP vs. NATO’s 2%) with Trump’s potential Middle East peace push via expanded Abraham Accords, and predicts Trudeau’s anti-Trump messaging will backfire amid voter demand for change. Levant argues Trump’s victory reflects working-class priorities ignored by elites, not media-fabricated fears like "Latinx" identity politics or DEI-driven support for Harris. [Automatically generated summary]
Well, I'm still digesting the election from a couple nights ago.
We're going to talk to Barbara Kaye about it.
She's got her own perspective.
We're going to talk about ways that it impacts Canada.
I mean, the whole world sees what Trump will do for America, but what will it mean for immigration and defense and transgenderism and Canadian foreign policy?
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All right.
Here's today's show.
Tonight, late night comedians are really the worst political propagandists in America.
It's November 7th, and this is the Ezra Levant Show.
Shame on you, you censorious bug.
I don't really think we have late night humorous TV in Canada.
I mean, there's been some attempts over the years.
The closest thing we have to a Saturday night live is this hour is 22 minutes.
It's not as funny, it's pretty political, and it doesn't have a big audience.
But American mainstream TV does have late-night shows.
They're not as culturally significant as they were, let's say, in the 70s and 80s.
And a lot of that is because anyone with a YouTube channel can get millions or tens of millions of views.
And the regime comedians, they really are, really can't compete, but they still have big audiences just by default or by inertia.
And I don't know, I think it's more accurate to look at these late-night comedy shows as product placement shows rather than actual arts or entertainment or comedy.
I mean, remember Stephen Colbert, who actually is in the old Ed Sullivan Theater in Manhattan?
Remember what he did during the pandemic?
This was a sketch or a bit or a scene.
No, it wasn't.
It was an ad by Pfizer.
remember this?
I mean, cringeworthy, but if you're getting paid a million bucks to do it, why not?
So gross.
Like I say, it's not really a show.
There's no artistic freedom to it.
It is all scripted by advertisers.
I suppose everything in mainstream media is that way, but this show pretends to be genuine, authentic, and funny, and it's not.
It's product placement with a laugh track is what it is.
Why would you go?
What boggles me is, you know, you can watch it when you're bored in the evening, I guess, if you just want to see a celebrity talking about their latest project.
But the idea that people line up and go in person in New York City when you could do any of a million other things is incredible to me.
Obviously, the ads for sale, their skits and sketches that are for sale, are for sale to anyone with cash, and that meant Pfizer, but also to political parties too.
We've learned that the vast majority of celebrity endorsers for Kamala Harris were paid, paid huge amounts of money to do so.
And they have done so, and they've been atrocious.
And watching them last night, though, after Trump won, I wouldn't say it was satisfying because it's still gross to see them.
It's still gross to see them try and control the psychology and political outlook of their audience.
I mean, look at this guy, Jimmy Kimmel, who actually I think is a full-on member of the Kamala Harris campaign team.
I mean, he's not even pretending to be independent.
He's as partisan, certainly as Elon Musk is.
Take a look at this from last night.
Let's be honest.
It was a terrible night last night.
It was a terrible night for women, for children, for the hundreds of thousands of hardworking immigrants who make this country go for healthcare, for our climate, for science, for journalism, for justice, for free speech.
It was a terrible night for poor people, for the middle class, for seniors who rely on Social Security, for our allies in Ukraine, for NATO, for the truth, and democracy and decency.
And it was a terrible night for everyone who voted against him.
And guess what?
It was a bad night for everyone who voted for him, too.
You just don't realize it yet.
Hang on.
Was that a tear?
Was he crying or was he crying for NATO?
By the way, Donald Trump is the biggest supporter of NATO.
The reason he says to Europe, pay more money or we're going to get out of here is he thinks the threat will get them to pay more money.
He is strengthened NATO, but imagine crying, shedding.
I think he shed a tear there.
He wanted us to think he was.
Oh, and the things he says are going to be lost under the Republicans' democracy and decency.
Yeah, Hunter Biden is definitely decent.
Doug Emhoff, literally punching his girlfriend's decency.
But free speech, you're telling me free speech is stronger under Democrats.
Journalism?
Yeah, like I say, they really are more cult members than campaigners.
Stephen Colbert, in many ways, is worse.
And he had the same sort of tearful open to his show yesterday.
He's not doing great, guys, as if Republican presidents aren't catting it for these guys.
They never mock or parody Democrats.
They're never actually rough and tumble with Democrats.
The way they treat Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, just, in fact, her last ditch campaign ad was so obviously an attempt to normalize and humanize her.
There's got to be something deep in the bones of the joke writers of these shows that actually want to do satire again and are excited to have such an exciting person to work with as Donald Trump.
I mean, love him or hate him.
Donald Trump is a great person to talk about and joke about as opposed to an empty blather skite who just says word salad like Kamala Harris.
And here's another clip.
Hey there.
How are you doing?
If you watch this show regularly, I'm guessing you're not doing great.
Yeah, me neither.
You know, today, some people said to me, sorry you have to do a show tonight, which is nice of them to say, but I don't have to do a show.
I get to do a show tonight.
I'm so grateful to be with all of these talented people.
Those people over here, those people that you'll never see, with the audience and the Ed Sullivan, with you people at home.
Because especially at times like this, what do we most want to be?
We're Not Alone00:07:24
Not alone.
So thanks for being here.
We're going to do a comedy show.
It's a comedy show.
We're going to do some jokes in just a minute, because that's what we do.
And I'll let you in on a little secret.
No one gets into this business because everything in their life worked out great.
So we're built for rough roads.
You guys ready?
Are we cool?
Okay, we're going to start the show now.
And correct me if I'm wrong, Lewis, we usually start with a cold open.
Yeah.
Something like that.
Do we have one?
Yeah.
We do.
Great.
Jim?
America's allies and its enemies bracing for a second Trump presidency.
It's an election millions around the world were invested in, even though they didn't have a vote.
NATO will be greatly diminished.
I think our European allies will be very, very nervous.
I think leaders are bracing for what another Trump term could mean.
And now the world reacts to America's decision.
I'll be in my bedroom, making no noise and pretending that I don't exist.
Got it.
So the moral condemnation of America is best made by foreigners.
So why do foreigners have moral authority over actual American voters?
That's really weird, but that is sort of an elitist thing, isn't it?
Oh, you hick Americans, you better vote the right way.
Otherwise, what will they say about us in Finland?
Hey, let me just show another clip of something like that, because actually the Finnish parliament and I think the Danish parliament, they had this video of female legislators just sort of crossing their arms and looking very stern.
Take a look at this just for one second.
Yeah, how is that supposed to?
How is that?
I mean, first of all, there's no argument there.
It's just we are European socialist women and our glaring and staring should communicate enough.
There's no argument there.
There's no message other than shouldn't you be morally inferior to these people and do what they say.
But they're also tone deaf and that the glaring and the scolding is exactly what Kamala Harris has done for the last three months and it just didn't work.
It's really weird that they think you're supposed to take your moral leadership on voting in America or Canada from what people overseas say.
Anyways, back to one more clip from late night TV.
Here's Colbert again.
Well, it happened again.
After a bizarre and vicious campaign fueled by a desperate need not to go to jail, Donald Trump has won the 2024 election.
Almost like you rehearsed that.
The deep shock and sense of loss is enormous.
Okay, but let's look at the bright side.
This way, at least there'll be a peaceful transfer of power.
Mike Pants, ali ali oxen free.
All day yesterday, I was walking around proudly wearing my I voted sticker.
Today I wore my, I am questioning my fundamental belief in the goodness of humanity sticker.
Now they give those out.
They give those out at the bake sale.
Right outside.
Now as a late night host, people often say to me, come on, part of you's got to want Trump to win because he gives you so much material to work with.
No.
No.
No one tells the guy who cleans the bathroom, wow, you must love it when someone has explosive diarrhea.
There's so much material for you to work with.
Come on.
Now.
You understand that?
Is that good?
I wish you wish, so many of us wish this hadn't happened, but that is not for us to decide.
This is a democracy.
That's democracy with a capital duh.
And in this democracy, the majority has spoken, and they said they don't care that much about democracy.
And I want to take a moment to congratulate Kamala Harris on Tim Walz on running an amazing 107-day campaign.
No, come on.
That was extraordinary.
Right out of the gate.
They headed right out of the gate.
I hope they stay in touch.
I know they're really good at texting.
As we're all about to plunge back into the Trump hole, here's what occurs to me.
The first time Donald Trump was elected, he started as a joke and ended as a tragedy.
This time he starts as a tragedy.
Who knows what he'll end as?
A limerick?
There once was a man who was orange.
Damn it!
Who knows what the next four years are going to be like?
What we do know is that we're going to be governed by a monstrous child surrounded by cowards and grifters.
And my brain keeps pumping out an unlimited supply of ramifications.
It's really hard to see a bright side here.
Got it.
So he's questioning the goodness of humanity, by which he means he's questioning the goodness of Americans.
Americans are good enough to buy the Pfizer or buy the soap or whatever he sells on his show's ads.
They're good enough to pay his bills, but they're not.
He doesn't, because they disagreed with him, because Americans disagreed with how he voted, they're not morally up to snuff.
And Americans apparently don't care about democracy, and they show that by participating in a democracy in a way he doesn't like.
That's so gross.
I'll just show you one more clip.
And here's Jimmy Kimmel asking who.
I mean, you know, it might be interesting for Jimmy Kimmel to have on Joe Rogan or someone who used to be a Democrat.
Joe Rogan used to support Bernie Sanders, the socialist, who's come around.
Imagine if Stephen Colbert or Jimmy Kimmel actually interviewed a Republican, not to attack him or do a gotcha, but just say, tell me what happened and don't be mean about it, but explain to me how I got it so wrong.
They did the opposite.
They brought on this super gross sort of boy band.
It's called Pod Save America.
It's a podcast completely made up of former Obama staffers.
And asking them for an explanation of things.
Well, I'll save you the suspense.
They basically call Trump a Nazi.
Take a look.
I think one lesson we've learned over the last eight years is people don't care about Boss.
Do you think it would be easier or more difficult to write for Trump?
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You know what?
You don't speak German.
So easy.
So I will say this.
You know, the speech writers that write speeches for Trump, you can tell when he leaves the prepared remarks behind and starts kind of riffing because he's annoyed and a bit bored by his prepared remarks.
Because I do find like the kind of high-dudge-in, kind of like Deutschland Uber Alice vibes, blood and soil.
He's like, oh, kind of boring.
I want to talk about some windmills of what RFK is going to do for the women.
I want to riff.
Yeah, I don't know.
I mean, sometimes late-like comedy, there really are some laughs if they have comedians on.
And I'm not saying that there's never a laugh, but most of the time it's a laugh track laugh.
It's the kind of laugh where you go, huh?
It's more like a sneer than laughing, wouldn't you say?
Stay with us.
We'll talk to Barbara Kay next.
Well, it's been a couple of days since the U.S. election, and I feel relief more than anything.
I felt for months that the campaign for Donald Trump was going very well.
He sort of had a dream team with him, and he had new weapons in 2024 that he didn't have in 2020.
The social media platform X, formerly known as Twitter, being chief amongst them.
He had a bit of a dream team campaigning with him.
It wasn't just him.
It was proxies in the form of Elon Musk of said Twitter account, but also Vivek Ramaswamy.
JD Vance was excellent compared to his counterpart on the Democrat side, Tulsi Gabbard.
There were so many people.
Robert F. Kennedy Jr. brought a very interesting, nonpartisan, traditional liberal vibe to it.
And it was a nod to people who felt like we've gotten too far away from natural health and maybe we went too far down the Pfizer road during the lockdowns.
It was an interesting campaign.
And I say the feeling I have is that I was shot at and missed.
That feeling of relief.
And I'm not going to say I'm ecstatic by the win.
I'm more relieved that it wasn't stolen.
Relieved for America.
And here we are about 48 hours.
You're not quite into it.
And I haven't seen mass riots either, which I was certain would happen.
Now, maybe the Democrats are still too stunned to know what to do.
I think their first move would be to litigate and try and outlaw this outcome.
But with such a massive outcome, winning every single one of the battleground states and even moving the needle in places like California and New York, in the deepest of blue states, Donald Trump improved the score of the Republicans by 10% or more.
Even some districts in New York City, Queens, was almost 40% Republican, unheard of in New York City.
California is no longer totally blue.
If you look at the map, the number of counties that went Republican is growing.
Latinos voting Republican, in some cases, a majority for Republican.
It was such a comprehensive win that I think any strategies or tactics of rioting or trying to litigate a victory just simply evaporated.
And I think the Democrat Party genuinely doesn't quite know what to do.
Donald Trump, on the other hand, has been thinking about this moment for four years non-stop.
And he is a very able transition team that had been working already.
He's not, he didn't wait until now to start it.
He has been working on, I think, what was his number one weakness in his first term, which is a checkerboard of personnel hire.
Some were outstanding, but many were not.
Many did not share his agenda.
Here's a clip of the head of Trump's transition team talking about how it's going to be people who are loyal to the agenda.
And he uses the analogy of a new CEO putting in people loyal to his corporate vision.
Here, take a look.
Do you feel fortunate to be in the position of the transition team?
Why would you take on an assignment like this?
So this is the most fun you could have.
You have a president.
He knows the job.
He knows exactly what he wants.
He's learned everything before.
He's got one term, four years.
He's going to hit it so hard, so fast.
We're going to have the greatest athletes you've ever seen take the field in administration.
So I've got the best 150 Republicans in the United States of America, from Chuck Schwab to Mark Rowan.
Only hiring Republicans?
Yes.
What a shock.
The Republican president is going to hire Republicans who are going to be fidelity to him, his policies, and him, because he's the CEO.
Why would you pick someone who's going to try to go the other direction?
That would be silly.
How do you make anything better, Howard, if you pack yourself with fealty over people who are just good at it and can work with the other side and give you different ideas?
How do you get anywhere better than where we are right now?
So you think it's trouble in 80 million Republicans to pick rock stars?
I promise you, it is easy to pick rock stars from either side.
Democrats could pick rock stars.
Republicans pick rock stars.
When it's your company, right?
He's the boss.
He gets elected.
The concept of these people working against him needs to end.
Everybody's got to be going where his policies go.
So I'm sort of excited.
I'm excited as a longtime Trump supporter.
We at Rebel News are the only Canadian media outlet that supported Trump in all three of his election campaigns.
I was very proud to have reporters down in Mar-a-Lago on election night, Abiyamini and Lincoln Jay and our friend Yankee outside.
Of course, we crisscrossed America.
But let me bring it back to Canada.
Let me not talk about my own feelings.
That's sort of a, that's not real journalism to talk about how you feel about things.
Let's use our brains instead of our hearts for a moment.
How will this affect Canada?
Not in an emotional sense, although we see absolutely pitiful performative videos and statements by every Canadian liberal about how they're bracing for this.
Let's be grown up for a minute and say, what will this actually do to the Canada-U.S. relationship?
What should we be prepared for?
What are the risks?
What are the opportunities joining us now to talk about this?
It's one of our favorite people.
I'm talking about Barbara Kaye, the columnist and friend.
She's with National Post.
I'm so glad she is.
And she joins us now via Skype from the great city of Montreal, Quebec.
How you doing?
I'm fine, Ezra.
And thank you for articulating some of the feelings that I had on election night.
I, too, had wanted, if he was going to win, which I hoped he would, I wanted him to win bigly because I was also very afraid of what would happen if it was a very close call and, you know, the tensions could have erupted into the streets.
And I thought that would be the worst possible outcome.
So the fact that it was definitive and that it showed that the entire country really was slightly, you know, shifting red, even places where the state actually went Democrat, they went Democrat by lower margins than they had in the past, as you say.
So I was happy about the outcome.
And yes, let's talk about how it'll affect.
I'm actually, my column this week touches on more than touches on.
It's about two issues that I had that I think are going to have an effect on Canada.
And one of them is something that you know because you published our book is the field of gender ideology.
Two Issues Shaping Canada00:03:07
Trump, Harris, made a big mistake in assuming that the only thing women care about is abortion rights.
She just, that was her one big policy push, her platform, you know, unfettered abortion back to we're going to put Roe versus Wade, we're going to change all that.
She never addressed another gender issue at all.
Trump, of course, one of his great assets is his ability to read the room long before it becomes evident to everybody else what's on people's minds.
And back in 2022, he saw that gender ideology was getting way out of hand and that that could be a good election issue for him.
And he started talking about the unfairness of males competing in women's sport back then.
And he said, when I'm elected, I'm going to not allow men to be competed against, you know, in women's sport.
And then when he was elected, he said, he was asked, what are your day one priorities?
And that was amongst them.
He said, I'm going to ban male athletes competing against women.
And I think this is going to have a big effect if he does manage to do that.
And the NCAA changes so that, you know, known biological men in women's sport, that's going to have a big effect on sport in Canada.
We've been hoping for a long time to have something very definitive come along to force Canadian Canada, you know, Athletics Canada to, look, this is, you know, we got to move on this because every year it gets worse.
We have concussions in volleyball.
We have those fighters in the Olympics, dangerous, you know, it's a question of both safety and fairness, blah, blah, blah.
So that's one aspect that I think will have an effect on Canada.
Another is going to be the Foreign Affairs Department.
And he is going to be farm, he's going to be very different in terms of his management of the Middle East conflict and other conflicts, but certainly in the Middle East.
And I think that's going to have an effect on how Canada is forced to deal with UNRWA, terrorism, all these things that our prime minister has been slow to act on and to recognize the necessity for.
And I think that will have an effect on that as well.
So those are my two big issues.
And certainly there's many other fields in which he's going to have a very, very powerful effect on Canada.
It's incredible how quickly the foreign affairs landscape has changed.
I mean, without missing a beat.
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I mean, Donald Trump gave his victory speech, I can't remember what time it was.
So it was something like 3 a.m.
And he was up at him.
First thing the next morning, he did not sleep and he was making and taking phone calls with the world leaders.
And things are already moving.
I see that Vladimir Putin's spokesman is talking about a call between those two men about the Ukraine situation.
Narendra Modi of India, Aye Bukele of El Salvador.
I don't think Trudeau will be a phone call in his first days or even the first week.
But the world is changing.
I see Hamas.
I don't even know who their spokesman would be talking about changing their strategy.
The whole world is suddenly changing.
So of course Canada will change too.
And I know that Canadian politicians like to virtue signal how different they are from Trump.
And Trudeau.
and his team have insulted Trump personally, but I got to tell you, Barbara, it's nothing like the insults that the British Labour Party have hurled at him over the years.
I don't know if, I mean, I follow the UK a little more closely than maybe I should because I'm interested in the case of Tommy Robinson.
I just got to play for you this clip of their new foreign secretary.
His name is David Lamy, and he has been using the most harsh and vicious language towards Trump.
So personal.
I mean, listen, you disagree with the guy, be tough.
But the personal vitriol, I don't even know how such a man could be in the same room as Trump.
Let me just play it for you.
I just want to show you.
And the reason I'm showing you is because it's amazing.
But also, we can thank, you know, thank God for the small blessings.
Our cabinet ministers are bad, but they're not this bad.
Take a look at David Lamy.
This is before he was foreign secretary, of course.
Take a look at this.
Donald Trump has been tearing up all of the accords that we maintained on climate change.
If you care about climate change, you care about the future of this world, then you must stand against Donald Trump.
This is a man that is someone who thinks it's okay to describe women in the most horrendous of ways, their body parts, to speak about them in a misogynistic and deeply offensive fashion.
This is the Donald Trump that we are rolling out the red carpet for.
And you know, we don't always give a state visit to American presidents.
That was afforded to George W. Bush.
It was afforded to the great John Kennedy.
It was afforded to Barack Obama.
But we don't do it for all presidents.
Lyndon Johnson, Ford, Carter did not get one.
So why?
Why is Theresa May putting Donald Trump in this position, this pivotal position, having him alongside the Queen and all the great dignitaries across the country and in the corporation of London sitting alongsiding him and lauding him for this shameful behavior on an international stage?
We stand with the American people, but we absolutely say that our democratic values are opposed to the misogyny, opposed to the racism, opposed to Steve Bannon and the horrible white supremacy that he seems to stand for.
I played too much of that, but listen, you can agree with David Lamy in all the policy positions.
A lot of people believe in global warming, but calling him a misogynist, a white supremacist, in various tweets, he called Trump a neo-Nazi.
I just, I mean, you got to be a bit of a grown-up.
If you're going to be the top diplomat for the UK, you should be slightly diplomatic.
I suppose I shouldn't have shown that because we're talking about Canada.
Let's jump right in, Barbara.
I want to show you a press conference.
I think this was actually earlier today.
Melanie Jolie, our foreign minister, who despises Trump just as much as David Lammy.
But fortunately for us, she rarely says anything that's not in a cue card in front of her.
So she doesn't have the innate ability to go on a rant like that.
Here's Melanie Jolie talking to the state broadcaster.
I'd like your thoughts on this because Quebec really is the front line for immigration, Wroxham Road and whatnot.
Quebec borders New York.
I mean, that's where a lot of it's coming.
They're not generally coming up through North Dakota, for example.
U.S. Melanie.
Take a look at this.
You know, the mass deportation policies that Trump was elected on could potentially send people north, or it could reroute Sentinel trafficking and other things coming from the southern border into Canada.
What do you make of this warning?
Well, when it comes to migration, I think that people clearly want us to have a strong system.
And they want us also to make sure that people are confident that they trust our immigration system.
And that's why we decided to lower the basically the targets, the immigration targets by 20%.
I think that was a really important decision.
Actually, also that was highlighted by Trump himself while he was campaigning.
At the same time.
But this sounds, Minister, like it could be a surge like Wroxham Road, but on a much larger scale, right?
I take the former ambassador's words as that.
I hear you.
So you're referring to Wroxham Road.
It was myself and the former Minister of Immigration, and of course the Prime Minister that work on a deal to make sure that we would have a renewed safe country, safe third country agreement, which we were able through that agreement with the U.S. to close the Wroxham Road and address this issue.
And of course, we'll work with the administration.
But we need to bear in mind that, yes, indeed, President-elect Trump has said that migration was a key priority for him.
And so therefore, we are ready.
How are you ready, though?
If, for example, all the Haitians who are still there in temporary protected status during Trump won presidency, just the talk of it had people fleeing for the Canadian border.
Now he's talking about mass deportations, potentially millions of people.
That's going to be an added incentive for people to flee for safety.
And they're unlikely to head towards Mexico.
I mean, how do you deal with this potential movement of desperate humans if this comes to pass?
So David, of course, I won't give you the entire plan right now as you're asking me the question, because I think we need to have the first conversations with the Trump administration.
We need to understand their concerns.
We need to understand their plan, of course.
And we will work through the CBSA, which is in charge of our border protection.
We'll make sure that indeed this northern border, which has been extremely effective and extremely well guarded because it's the longest and safest border in the world, stays the same.
And so we have that in common with the Americans, that we believe that border protection is important.
And so therefore, we'll have these conversations.
They may be tough conversations, but I'm never shy of having tough conversations.
And I think that Americans expect us to have tough conversations with them too.
That's the point.
That's why diplomacy was actually invented, David.
You know, I don't want to be mean and I don't want to come across as sexist, but she's dumb, Barbara.
I know.
I thought of, I think of her and Kamala Harris on the same kind of level when it comes to foreign affairs.
At least she doesn't have the Kamala Harris cackle.
I mean, I don't know.
That's true.
So she was asked about mass deportation.
It's a very specific thing.
Trump says he wants to get rid of millions of people.
And I think he means it this time.
I really think he does.
I know Elon Musk, his new best friend, certainly means it.
And I think the party's unanimous on that.
And when he asked her specifically about mass deportations, like we know what's going to happen.
Someone who knows they're going to be deported, I suppose some of them will self-deport, but many of them will say, Canada will let us hang around forever.
It's an unguarded border.
They're stupidly generous with their welfare.
They don't kick out criminals.
Let's go there.
Like that, like that CBC reporter, David Cochran, I think is his name, actually put the question fairly clearly.
And what did Jolie said?
We have a point system.
We're reducing our immigration levels by 20%.
That's not even the question.
The question is.
No, it wasn't.
But to give her, to be fair to Jolie, the one thing that she could not possibly do would be to say something that would stir up fear of exactly, you know, people rushing the border and to say, yes, that's a legitimate fear and we don't know what we're going to do about it.
She couldn't possibly say that.
So she had to deflect.
And I think that was a tough position to be put in because they probably don't have a plan yet.
But by the way, do you really think Trump, when he says I'm going to deport millions, that he really means millions?
Like to me, what Trump does is he sets, he's like the art of the deal kind of thing.
Just like he says, I'm going to slap a 10% tariff on everything.
Do you think he really means that?
Or is that like his opening gambit?
And then he'll negotiate down.
I don't think he's going to deport millions, maybe a million in the end.
Over time, I think it'll be done in a way that doesn't have people screaming, look, they're putting people in concentration camps.
I don't think he would want to set off that kind of a chain reaction.
So he says a lot of things that if he followed through on them exactly as he says them, could be pretty scary propositions.
I just don't believe that it's going to be millions.
I think it's going to be less.
And I think it'll be much more, it won't be all at once.
Like it's not going to be, they're all going to be rounded up on the same day and put on 5,000 buses or anything like that.
So I think we should, knowing Trump as we do, and we know him very well by now, I think we should take it with a grain of salt when he makes these pronouncements.
He's a wise observation.
I mean, he and he's publicly said this.
You're right in his book, Art of the Deal.
He talks about making a shocking offer just to mix things up and to change the whole paradigm.
You're right.
He does that.
But I've also met with a number of people who I believe have been with his sort of deportation squad before and are expected to be tapped for that position again.
I think they will be, first of all, I think they're going to put in the wall and they're going to stop the catch and release.
So I think they're going to turn off the tap, first of all, and I think they will bail it out.
And maybe you're right.
Maybe you don't want to say, oh my God, we're going to maybe Canada doesn't want to announce some new plan because you're right, people will rush in the days or weeks beforehand.
But I don't think they have a clue.
I think that they believed in their heart of hearts that Kamala Harris, of course she's going to win.
I mean, they're so deeply connected with the U.S. Dems.
And Kamala Harris, in her own way, was not just like Melanie Jolie, but she was like Justin Trudeau.
Word salads, bit of a corrective.
Yes, combination.
Absolutely.
But by the way, I saw the, I was at a gig on election night early in the evening.
I was on a panel, you know, discussing, and one of the panelists was from Leger Polling.
And he was giving us some stats here, there, and everything.
And he gave us the stats on Canadians, who they favored.
And it was like remarkable.
It was like 60 or 70% for Harris in Canada, as opposed to in the States.
It was supposed to be supposed to be a very close, close, close, you know, race.
In Israel, of course, it was 66% wanted Trump.
Yeah, it's interesting by country.
I saw a chart of that today.
Some of the Scandinavian countries, it's like 95% against Trump.
And that goes to your media diet.
If all you consume are CNN, New York Times, and for diversity, you go to MSNBC and the Washington Post.
Oh, I have multiple sources.
If that's how you base the world, you do think he's a rapist, a felon.
You do think he actually said Liz Cheney should be shot.
You do, like you believe all the hoaxes.
And if, you know, garbage in, garbage out, if that's all you know about this man.
And I have to say, one of the little pleasures I had on Tuesday night, Barbara, was following the Twitter accounts of Canadian pundits who were going through performative emotionalizing.
But I think what they really revealed is how little they knew about real life America.
And because they looked through the prism of the Washington Post and New York Times and thought themselves very, you know, very worldly and thoughtful.
And that was the Wall Street Journal's opinion.
Their editorial today was, or their reportage of the election was the big observation they made was that they just never went, they never understood small town America.
They never understood rural people's feelings.
He went, Trump went to counties they never even heard of and listened and talked to these people.
They don't have, they really are in a bubble.
The Dems are really in their own salons, highly educated, you know, all from the top universities.
And they just do not, they are not in touch with a huge swath of the American public.
And to their credit, a lot of them, I noticed I was on Twitter too today on X.
And was it Scott Jennings of CNN?
Oh, he was excellent.
Very forthright.
He said, we are to blame.
We have not listened.
We have not done our job.
We have not done our job.
And I thought, well, good for you.
And that's CNN, which nothing more mainstream than that.
Let me play that clip.
That was actually just, I think it was only about a minute and a half.
And I think he was crystal clear, but let me just show you that, Scott Jennings.
This is a mandate.
He's won the national popular vote for the first time since, for a Republican, for the first time since 2004.
This is a big deal.
This isn't backing into the office.
This is a mandate to do what you said you were going to do.
Get the economy working again for regular working class Americans, fix immigration, try to get crime under control, try to reduce the chaos in the world.
This is a mandate from the American people to do that.
I think I'm interpreting the results tonight as the revenge of just the regular old working class American, the anonymous American who has been crushed, insulted, condescended to.
They're not garbage.
They're not Nazis.
They're just regular people who get up and go to work every day and are trying to make a better life for their kids.
And they feel like they have been told to just shut up when they have complained about the things that are hurting them in their own lives.
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I also feel like this election, as we sit here and pour over this tonight, is something of an indictment of the political information complex.
I mean, we've been sitting around here for the last couple of weeks, and the story that was portrayed was not true.
I mean, we were told Puerto Rico was going to change the election.
Liz Cheney, Nikki Haley voters, women lying to their husbands.
Before that, it was Tim Walz and the Camo hats.
Night after night after night, we were told all these things and gimmicks were going to somehow push Harris over the line.
And we were just ignoring the fundamentals.
Inflation, people feeling like that they were barely able to tread water at best.
That was the fundamentals of the election.
And so I think that both parties should always look at the results of an election and figure out what went right and what went wrong.
But I think for all of us who cover elections and talk about elections and do this on a day-to-day basis, we have to figure out how to understand, talk to, and listen to the half of the country that rose up tonight and said, we've had enough.
Barbara, we're having fun chewing over the election, but we do, let me try and get myself back on track.
I meander a lot.
Let's talk about Canada.
I want to show you a clip, and I showed this a few days ago.
You mentioned foreign affairs, and it'll be so refreshing to have a pro-freedom, pro-anti-anti-Semitism guy in the White House.
I mean, and it's going to immediately change the Middle East.
It will change Ukraine.
Part of the reason why the world fears Donald Trump is because he's so blunt and he just does things.
And unlike sort of the slow-motion, diplomatic deep state.
But of course, the main reason is because he's the commander-in-chief of the most powerful military force ever known to man.
And he's really the global hyperpower.
He's the global cop.
But Trump doesn't like being global cop.
He hates the fact that American taxpayers are subsidizing Europe through NATO.
So he's always telling NATO: if you don't pay your fair share, I'm pulling out.
Now, again, this is reported as Trump's against NATO.
No, he's using that Trump-style threat, saying if you don't spend 2% of your GDP on the military, we're going to leave you.
Of course, he means the opposite, but that's how he negotiates.
And really, Canada is one of the lowest spenders and the biggest freeloaders.
Can I show you a quick clip when Trump was lecturing Trudeau?
This was obviously about five years ago.
Look at this.
And Trudeau tries to sort of fudge the number, but Trudeau actually, sorry, Trudeau tried to fudge the number.
Trump knew the real number.
Just watch.
It's about a minute and a half.
Take a look.
Canada does not meet the 2% standard.
Should it have a plan to meet the 2% standard?
Well, we'll put them on a payment plan, you know?
We'll put Canada on a payment plan, right?
I'm sure the Prime Minister would love that.
What are you at?
What is your number?
The number we talk about is 70% increase over these past years, including and for the coming years, including significant investments in our fighter jets, significant investments in our naval fleets.
We are increasing significantly our defense spending from previous governments that cut it.
Okay.
Where are you now in terms of your number?
We're at 135?
1.3. 1. 14. 14th.
And continuing to move.
They're getting there.
They know it's important to do that.
And their economy is doing well.
They'll get there quickly, I think.
And look, it's to their benefit.
And the president knows well as well that Canada has been there for every NATO deployment.
We have consistently stepped up, sent our troops into harm's way.
We're leading in Iraq.
We're leading in NATO, in Latvia.
We continue to step up like most of our allies.
There are some countries that, even though they might reach the 2%, don't step up nearly as much.
And I think it's important to look at what is actually being done.
And the United States and all NATO allies know that Canada is a solid, reliable partner that will continue to defend NATO and defend our interests.
And we do have tremendous coordination with radar, with all of the different things that, you know, technologically, we have tremendous coordination between Canada and the United States.
You know, Trump was actually being a little bit gentle there, but he could tell Trudeau was BSing.
He wanted the number, and Trudeau said, oh, we're increasing it.
Oh, but what is the number, Grasshopper?
And Trudeau lied.
He spoke aspirationally.
Now, none of the things he said, that was about five years ago, Barbara.
And none of those things came true.
We still don't have our fighter jets.
We only, despite all our tough talk, there was only one single tank we actually delivered to Ukraine.
The rest of them were not suitable to send over.
We no longer participate in many exercises because our equipment is not interoperable.
We can't keep up.
We have not refurbished our equipment.
So everything Trudeau said there was untrue.
I think the only blessing we have is that Trump thinks so little about Canada, as in so rarely about us.
He doesn't care about us, so he doesn't pay attention to us.
And I noted on election night, Trump never actually visited Canada once, except for with multilateral gatherings, which he was doing there.
Like I think there was a G7 meeting and something like that.
But Trump never came to town just one-on-one to meet Trudeau.
In his entire term, he never thought that was a valuable use of his time.
And I think that will continue to be the case.
And lucky for us, because holy mackerel, are we behind when it comes to military participation?
True.
Well, let me ask you about foreign affairs, because I think Canada has, frankly, disgraced our history as a peace-loving and freedom-loving country, more and more supporting terrorism, Hezbollah Hamas, the UN Relief Works Agency.
Do you think I was going to say Angelina Jolie?
Do you think Melanie Jolie and Justin Trudeau will lean into the difference and say, we're not like Trump?
Do you think they're going to try and campaign against Trump in the election expected in 2025?
Like one approach would be, okay, there's a new sheriff in town.
Let's do our best to make this a win for Canada.
The other approach is, we're 20 points behind.
Nothing's working.
We've got to, you know, Pierre Polyev, we've got to paint him as the MAGA mini Trump.
And we've got to run against Trump.
And everything Trump does, we've got to demonize and try and hang it around the neck of Pierre Polyev.
I think that that's what they're going to do.
What do you think they're going to do?
I think that's what they're going to do, but it might not work because that's what Kamala Harris tried to do with Trump.
She tried to lean into he's a fascist, he's dangerous, he's a risk to democracy.
None of that worked.
If a culture is in the mood for a change, scaring them is not going to help.
And by the way, by the time our election comes around, it could be that there have been so many advances made in the Middle East towards peace that he won't be able to do that because Trump does know.
I agree with you.
He doesn't want to be the world's cop, but he doesn't want to also be the world's fall guy either and look stupid.
He does believe in sometimes the best way to stop a war is tough love.
I noticed maybe it wasn't a coincidence that the Houthis declared that they were stopping their operations on the Red Sea at the same time as Trump was being elected president.
So maybe they know something that we don't know.
But when he was president before, he was the one that took out Salome, you know, Qassam Salome, the head of the Revolutionary Guard in Iraq.
And everybody said at the time, oh, you're going to inflame the regional war.
No, on the contrary, it made Iran back off.
And I think, unlike, look, I think Biden and Harris would have continued.
It was Obama's policy that has been, one of the reasons I'm glad Trump won is because it denies Obama basically a fourth term.
Obama has basically been running both Biden and Harris on their Middle East policy.
They are loyal to his vision of Iran being the hegemon in the Middle East.
He has this vision of a rational Iran kind of keeping things stable in the Middle East.
They hated the Abraham Accords because the Abraham Accords took a completely different direction and because the Arab states that are in the Abraham Accords are anti-Iran.
So they've tried to scupper the Abraham Accords.
By the way, you never once in four years did you hear Biden utter the words Abraham Accords.
He wouldn't even say them because it was Trump's achievement.
Anyone else in the world would have won a Nobel Peace Prize, by the way.
Anyone else in the whole world?
Exactly.
And honestly, I think you're going to see some, it's going to be very definitive.
Whatever happens in the Middle East now, Trump, and by the way, both Biden and Obama did not like Netanyahu.
It was very clear.
And Harris also.
So there was a lot of tension between them.
But Trump and Netanyahu get along.
And I think that Trump and both of them will figure out a plan that is tough, fair in terms of what they're entitled to do, and it will set Iran back on its heels.
We have seen that Iran is in some ways a paper tiger.
And I think that Trump is the right president to nail down that fact and to make it clear to Iran that if the U.S. gives Israel license to do greater damage than they've done so far, that Iran will regret it.
So, I mean, maybe I'm off base here.
I'm not an analyst.
I'm not a foreign policy analyst.
But I see that Trump will be a force for definitive and good action in that region.
And it gives me greater hope that there will be peace, that the Abraham Accords, that Saudi Arabia will come on board, and that this is going to be a fantastically positive four years for the Middle East because of Trump.
And maybe he'll get that Nobel Prize after all.
I think you're right.
And his promise to the Arab and Muslim population of Michigan, and apparently he had 15 meetings with them.
Yeah, he got support from them.
He got support from them.
And not by throwing Israel under the bus.
Like Pierre Polyev, he says the same thing in all groups.
And his message was: A, Kamala Harris is hanging out with the Cheneys.
They killed a million Arabs in the First Gulf War.
Why would you hang out with those warmongers?
B, I'm a peacemaker.
I'm not going to hurt Israel, but I'm going to stop the wars.
And how can you doubt him?
And frankly, if you're a Muslim or an Arab, you're thinking, well, who does Israel listen to?
Well, Trump is such a close friend to them that if Trump has a peace, and by the way, Trump made peace between Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Sudan, United Arab Emirates.
That's that Abraham Accords.
And I think, and yesterday, I won't do it again.
I read Jared Kushner's lengthy tweet about Israel's neutering of Hezbollah in a preemptive, a series of preemptive strikes.
And Jared Kushner said, I could never figure out how to solve the Hezbollah problem.
They had 100,000 rockets.
That was the gun point at the head of the whole thing.
But now all sorts of peace is possible.
I think Lebanon could be the focal point of a new Abraham Accord.
And I think America, Israel, Lebanon, and others could fix up Lebanon, which has had some damage, and make it part of a regional peace.
And you know what?
Let Trump be proven true that he was blessed are the peacemakers.
I'm very optimistic about that.
And I agree with you about Lebanon, by the way.
There's many Lebanese people that absolutely, they're like, yes, go ahead, get rid of Hezbollah, help us.
We've been dying to get, you know, and you've given them new hope that Hezbollah colonized Lebanon.
It's a foreign body, this Shia Axis acting for Iran in Lebanon.
Many Lebanese would be thrilled to see them out of there.
And by the way, I think he is also giving hope to people in Iran who would love to overthrow this regime.
You remember that when they asked Obama for help in 2012.
There was this moment where an uprising was possible, and they were all waiting for a signal, and he said nothing.
No, because he wanted them in place, the Islamic regime.
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And I'll never forgive him for that, amongst a hundred other things.
Yeah.
Well, when you say, when you note that Hamas is waving the white flag, the Houthis have unilaterally announced they're not going to attack ships anymore.
Vladimir Putin says he's eager to talk about a peace proposal.
Of course, it's not a coincidence.
America has a leader who's almost in place, but he's de facto in place.
He's holding court.
He's got his transition team.
He is a de facto president.
And I think he has had four years to think about what he's going to do.
And you know what?
I don't want to sound like more partisan than I am, but I think it is going to be a golden age for American industrial policy, foreign policy.
And because he has only one term, he said this is it.
I think he will make decisions that perhaps someone looking out for a second term might be too shy to make.
And Elon Musk, I really think he's going to help unlock and unblock the economy.
I mean, he has proved himself to be the indispensable citizen, not just through his engineering, but how he gets things done and cuts through things.
Listen, when he took over Twitter, he fired like 80% or more of the people working there because there was so much dead wood in there.
And it never stopped for a day.
It kept on ticking.
He says he's going to save the American government.
He's going to slash the civil service, a bloated, a very bloated civil service.
He's going to save them a trillion dollars over the next couple of years.
So I kind of, you know, he's a kooky guy.
He's quirky, but he is a genius.
And, you know, you can't deny his success in his own incredible businesses.
So, yeah, I think that's going to be really interesting to watch.
And I have a feeling that could turn out to be really good for the economy.
You know, of course, if you're going to fire a million civil servants, you're going to have a problem on your hands.
But Musk said, give them a two-year severance.
Just get them out.
Give them what it takes to get them out.
I mean, that's an enormous severance for a lot of them.
But that's how he saved Twitter.
That's how he saved his other companies.
Well, Barbara, I invited you on to talk about Canada-U.S. relations.
That was the least of what we did.
But if I had to sum up what we said, that transgenderism, I think by fixing American sports, that will have a knock-on in Canadian sports.
Because, of course, every sports team in Canada, when they go on tour, they love to go to America.
It's the easiest, friendliest place to visit.
So I think that will have a tremendously positive effect.
I think immigration is going to be massive.
You know, Haitians alone is a huge issue.
It was in Springfield, Ohio, that one town alone.
And if Canada doesn't watch out, we're going to have 50,000 Haitians come to this country to get away from Trump.
I think the military, Trudeau's answers in that clip five years ago, have all been false.
And I think you're going to see the U.S. put real pressure on Canada.
And finally, and most hopefully, I think America is in control of global policy, global foreign affairs now, not this blob of left-wing, laborite, Macronite losers.
I think the world, I am optimistic about the world again.
I'm more hopeful about the world.
Wait, we forgot to mention one big thing.
Ezra, I'm praying that he's going to fix the UN because the UN is the greatest force for evil in the world.
And it needs to be overhauled so badly.
I would love to see him once he's fixing everything else.
I would love to see him.
And he could because the America, what is it, a quarter of their budget is of the UN's budget.
He could fix it.
Well, the only fixing I'm hoping is when they talk about fixing your pets.
That's the only kind of fixing I'm hoping for the UN.
Barbara Kay, it's great to see you again.
I'm sorry, I'm too chatty.
I talked more than there's so much going on.
I'm so excited.
I've had four years of stress, and I thought they're going to, and they tried everything.
They tried to jail him.
They tried to bankrupt him.
My God, someone shot him, literally shot him.
And but for an inch, he would have been dead that day.
I know, it's crazy.
And, you know, more religious people than I would say that's a miracle.
God had other plans for him.
And it may be true.
Anyway, we'll keep in touch.
Thanks for spending so much time with us.
Thank you, Ezra.
It was great fun.
Right on.
There you have it Barbara Kaye, one of our favorite people, calmness at the National Post.
Well, stay with us.
Your letters are next.
Hey, welcome back.
Your letters to me.
Someone with the name The Frozen Canadian says this.
They had the Electoral College vote, the popular vote, and pretty much the entire floor in Congress.
Pretty much good times for the States, while in Canada, we just sit in the middle and suck on it.
Well, listen, change is coming.
There's no way it's not.
I mean, every single poll in this country for more than a year has shown that we're likely to have a Conservative Party majority.
In fact, that Trudeau is going to be smashed to pieces.
I think Trudeau is actually going to try and use Trump as a foil and try and be anti-Trump and hang that around Polyev's neck.
I don't think it's going to work.
I think people want change here even more than they want it in the States.
Rory Kennedy says, Trump's going to nail this presidency.
He has a fantastic team on his side this time around.
You are so right.
There were so many people that Trump allowed into his inner circle that he didn't know and, frankly, were opposed to his agenda.
They were just part of the permanent bureaucracy, the military-industrial complex.
You could call it the deep state.
And this time around, I think he's been thinking about his staff for four years.
Bryant says, Harris was a DEI candidate.
She was there because of her identity status.
She was also a promoter of DEI ideology.
The U.S. rejected this kind of racism when it elected DT.
You're so right.
And by the way, the gains in Republican support from minority groups, especially Latinos, but also black people and even Jews, suggest that DEI is popular in woke circles, but not normal places.
I mean, we don't have a large Latino community in Canada.
They do, obviously, in the States.
It's larger than the black community.
But woke white liberals use this word Latin X instead of Latino and Latina.
They just have this gender-neutral Latin X.
And it's so weird.
It would be like replacing, you know, there's Mrs. M-R-S, there's Miss, M-I-S-S, there's Ms. M-S, which is sort of, you know, a little bit more feminist.
It would be like M-X.
What?
What do you know when no one talks like that?
But that's how they just, that's the liberal way of saying Latino or Latina, Latinx.
And it's just so weird and so Marxist and so engineered and so fake.
I think Americans were sort of sick of that.
The thing about Trump is there's no fakeness there.
He'll blurt it out.
And sometimes he goes too far.
But then again, I think every human does.
And they see Trump do that and they say, yeah, that's just a normal guy.
We know that about him.
But they, everything Trump has said is, don't take it literally, but take it seriously.
Do you know what I mean by that?
And I think that's something Barbara said to me today, is, will Donald Trump deport 10 million people?
Don't take it literally, take it seriously as a way to, and I think Barbara Kay was making that point to me.
Is Trump really going to deport 10 million or will he just close the wall and deport 1 million?
Well, that would be a heck of a progress too, wouldn't it be?
We need mass deportations in Canada.
Absolutely, we do.
And what I'm worried about is that Trudeau is going to make another tweet saying, hey, Americans, if you're being deported, come up here.
Hopefully he's not that stupid this time around.
That's our show for today.
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