Ezra Levant and guests dissect Kemi Badenoch’s rise as UK Conservative leader, critiquing her ties to the ECHR—blocking deportations of criminals like a Ugandan gang member and an Indian child abuse suspect—while questioning Brexit’s incomplete implementation. They contrast Labour’s DEI-driven leadership with Farage’s potential role in Trump-era UK-US relations, citing Musk’s exclusion despite his free-speech advocacy and Robinson’s imprisonment in a 37% Muslim prison as signs of civil rights erosion. With Reform projected to gain 100 seats and Labour facing collapse by 2029, the episode warns of a fractured right-wing future and escalating tensions between UK progressives and Trump’s America. [Automatically generated summary]
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All right, here's today's podcast.
Tonight, as we all wait for the results from the United States, what's happening in the United Kingdom?
And what could a Donald Trump win mean for that country?
It's November 5th, and this is the Ezra Levant show.
Shame on you, you censorious bug.
Well, it's election day in the United States.
I hope you'll tune in later on tonight.
We've got an amazing lineup for you.
I'll be here at our world headquarters in Toronto.
David Menzies will be in Washington, D.C. Alexa Lavoie will be in New York City outside Trump Tower.
And of course, Avi Yamini will be in Florida.
I understand he'll be in Mar-a-Lago.
We also have 10 other guests who will be joining us throughout the night.
So it really is going to be amazing.
So make sure to tune in tonight.
But for now, let us talk about one of my favorite countries.
Canada is my most favorite.
But in recent years, I've really learned a deep appreciation of our mother country, namely the United Kingdom.
Not only do I love it because of its history, its architecture, its language, its poetry.
I'll skip cuisine, although it's not that bad, but because I sometimes call it a dystopian time machine.
If we want to see how things will be in Canada in five years, if we keep on current trends, whether it's censorship, the Islamification of the public square, mass immigration, street crime, well, look to the UK today.
That's Canada in five years.
We've also gotten involved a little bit over there, as you know.
Our former journalist, Tommy Robinson, who has gone on to his own journalism and activism, from time to time winds up in prison, never for a violent crime.
In fact, his last imprisonment isn't for a crime at all.
It's for civil contempt.
And we find ourselves reporting on it and, in some cases, even crowdfunding his legal fees.
So there's a lot to talk about.
And a man who follows things closer than most is a journalist and broadcaster from the UK, our friend David Atherton, who's agreed to spend a little bit of time with us today.
David, welcome back to the program.
It's great to see you again.
Andrew, it's always a pleasure to go on the show.
Well, it really is.
You know, I certainly call that a niche amongst the Commonwealth these days.
I do quite a bit of work for Australia as well.
Well, that's excellent.
I mean, I think Australia and Canada are very similar in terms of our size and some of the same issues that I just talked about-freedom of speech, immigration, etc.
Now, there was some news in the past couple of days from the UK that normally I think would be huge headlines in Canada.
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The Conservative Party of the UK, which got crushed in the last election under their sort of robotic leader, Rishi Sunak, had a leadership race.
And there were two finalists.
One was named Mr. Jenrick, who was actually very hardline on a number of issues.
He talked about mass deportation of foreign migrants.
And the other contender was Kemi Badenock, a Nigerian Brit who is really tough on those issues too.
And Kemi won.
She's more hardline than Rishi Sunak was.
Give me a word on Kemi Badenock.
And I say that it would be bigger news if she were a woman of the left, because a black woman leading the Conservative Party, the party of Margaret Thatcher, would be huge news.
But because she's a Conservative, no one over here in the media, in the regime media, wants to give it any airtime.
Give me your thoughts on Kemi.
Well, it's very interesting that, you know, sort of the small C Conservatives and the Conservatives, you know, said, you know, Kemi Baynock's prime minister, you know, moderate policies.
And all the left of the liberals are going, oh, she's black.
You know, it's ironical that the Conservative Party in Britain had the first Jewish prime minister, 1865 Benjamin Disraeli, had the first, sorry, leader, I should say, in 1975 they had the first woman, um, first woman leader, which was obviously Baroness Thatcher.
And 2022 was Richie Sunak, the first Asian prime minister, and now she's obviously the first African black African uh leader that the Conservative Party's got.
And it's a lot more what the socialists have done.
You know, they've been, you know, they just do not seem to appear to be able to attract the talent, you know, from the BABE community that's worthy of getting to the top.
And the thing is, you know, there's always a suspicion with the socialists and the Labour Party, everybody else, that if somebody from a minority or sex or whatever did become leader, is it a DEI higher, you know, diversity, equity, and inclusion higher, rather than with a Conservative Party, you know for sure she's there on merit and not because they're sort of you know, um, you know, you know, what's the word being patronizing towards people of uh no bisex, sexuality or um uh or colour.
Yeah, you know, um, Kier Starmer, the Labour Party prime minister, put out a tweet congratulating her and didn't refer to any of her ideas or accomplishments other than her blackness.
And, you know, it on the one hand, it is a powerful antidote to the accusations that conservatives are racist.
On the other hand, it sort of reduces her to nothing more than her immutable characteristics that she really has nothing to do with.
Let me play a little clip for you, David.
This is a montage put together by Turning Point UK of some of Kemi's stances on different issues.
Let's just show our viewers that and then let's come back and you and I can talk a little bit about what she stands for.
Here's Kemi Badenock in her own words.
Take a look.
I don't think that a culture that thinks gay people should be stoned is as valid as ours.
We do not want to see teachers teaching their white pupils about white privilege and inherited racial guilt.
People should not be made to feel guilty for questioning levels of immigration, legal or illegal, if it is changing the place they know and love.
If people don't want their taxes to pay for foreign criminals to be in our jails or on our streets, those criminals should be removed.
Our country is not a dormitory for people just here to make money or a hotel for those passing through.
It is our home and no one else will look after it.
The things she said there are not particularly controversial if you ask a severely normal Brit.
But, you know, if you are an indigenous white Brit and you say those things, you will absolutely be called a racist for it.
So maybe Kemi Badenock is the only person who can say those things without being tarred as a white supremacist.
Although, as soon as I say this, a very senior Labour MP, a black woman herself, said that Kemi Badenock is the black face of white supremacy.
So even though she's black, she's called a white supremacist.
And I don't know.
You can't win, can you?
You know, somebody recently was let off in court for describing Richie Sunak and Swella Braverman as coconuts, you know, and I've got the Oriel jokes and the house N-word jokes and things like that, you know, or insults, I should say.
They get it all the time, you know, and you know, it really is.
You know, the left are the real racists of the world.
The liberal left and the progressives are the most disgusting people when it comes to outright in-your-face racism.
You know, if Nigel Farage has said something similar about black people, he'd be crucified.
He will be thrown out of parliament, he'd be deplatformed, he'd be cancelled, and he'd be shunned from all polite society, never to be seen again.
The barefaced hypocrisy of the left is just butter clenching.
You know, the two finalists in the UK race, Mr. Jenrick, who I think was even harder line than Kemi, both of them really seem to me to be a response to Nigel Farage's Reform UK.
Although Reform UK only got, I don't know, five or six seats in the parliament, they got millions of votes.
And it was primarily for talking about mass immigration and the problems that flow therefrom.
It seems to me that the Conservative Party's leadership was an attempt to deal with that.
Would you agree with my assessment?
And would you say that Kemi will be able to win any of those Nigel Farage Reform UK voters back?
Or are they with Nigel for good?
Right.
Did you want the entire story on Kemi, which you won't necessarily hear this anywhere else?
Kemi Badock, I think, is the establishments, the elites, the elites, the World Economic Forum types, the globalists, is what I'm referring to.
And she is the blobs, the swamps choice.
And so she said all the right things to get elected.
Apparently, the person behind her campaign is a guy called Michael Gohm, who used to be the levelling up minister.
And he's a weasel, he's a snake.
And there are two wings to the Conservative Party.
One is sort of what's called the One Nation Tories, which is basically the left of the party.
They're kind of woke.
In fact, they're very woke.
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And then you have sort of the right of the party, which is the traditional, the traditional side of Conservative, as it was under Margaret Thatcher.
But, you know, basically, Kevin Baintock is not the real deal.
I think she was totally insincere.
And her major, major fault, which will never be forgotten, is that she wants, she will not be looking to get Britain to leave the European Court of Human Rights, the ECHR.
Now, what that does is it goes beyond, it goes, if you're American or whatever, there is one court beyond British courts you can appeal to in a case, and that's based in, I think it's based in Brussels, certainly based in Europe.
And these judges are not British.
They're foreign people and they're creating British law when they don't have any knowledge of British law.
And there's a case recently of a Ugandan guy.
He was part of a gang that were involved in a fracas with knives and baseball bats in Woodgreen in North London.
And one of the guy was stabbed and he was placed in an ambulance by the paramedics.
And this Ugandan-born guy went in there and stabbed him to death.
And because he was at the end of his sentence, which comes up in about three or four years' time, they wanted to deport him back to Uganda.
But the ECHR ruled that they couldn't because his mental health wasn't good enough and the mental health services in Uganda weren't good enough to treat him.
There are scores and scores.
There was an Indian guy who, for example, was producing and selling chole pedophilia.
Some of it was AI generated.
Some was actually real kids who were actually abused.
And he produced them, he sold them, and he made money out of them.
He won't be deported because of the decision from the ECHR, because we send him back to India.
His right to a family life, I think it's Article 8 of the ECHR Charter.
He won't be able to see his wife and children again or partner and children again.
The ECHR gives outrage after outrage when it comes to these judgments of the people.
We're not in charge of our borders.
A foreign court is in charge of our borders.
I don't understand that because I know that the Brexit vote called to leave the EU.
So letting a European court be the court of final appeal to the UK sure doesn't sound like Brexit was followed through.
All right, let me just qualify that for you.
The ECHR is not a part of the European Union.
Oh, it's not.
Yeah, internally, it's the European Court of Justice, which is the European one that was run by the European Union.
But the ECHR is external to the EU.
However, if you're a member of the EU, you have to be a member of the ECHR.
So there is some tie-up there.
You know, it sounds very un-British.
I mean, I should tell you that Canada, our final court of appeal until the 1940s was called the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council in the UK.
So when we were still almost like a colony, you could appeal your final ruling to London.
But part of being a grown-up country in Canada was getting our own Supreme Court.
And it's not a disrespect to the UK.
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It's okay.
We're a real country.
Now it's time to grow up.
The fact that the UK would allow judges in a foreign court, foreign judges to have sovereignty over basically a veto over the elected legislators of the UK.
I find that astonishing.
And it's not like you're a newish country like Canada.
You're centuries old.
I don't get that.
have some of the oldest written in Europe modern European times, you know, the oldest written constitutions, for example, Magna Carta for 1215.
You know, we've had common law since going back to Anglo-Saxon times, and we're more than capable of running our own country as a legal basis.
So there, you know, whether it's going to be in print, TV, mainstream media, or social media, we can externally look into what a British Supreme Court would do.
No, that's fine.
And the ECHR is causing complete outrage.
And the thing is, getting to the point is Kemi Bainhog said she's not committed to leaving it because she thinks there's going to be too much of a civil war in the Conservative Party.
Well, Robert Jenrick was.
Yeah.
Isn't that interesting?
Well, I have one more question for you about Kemi Badenock, and it's sort of the same question that Kamala Harris was asked on The View, which is sort of a women's TV show during the day, which is she was asked, is there anything you disagree with Joe Biden on over the last four years?
And she said no, which is an honest but astonishing thing to say when things have not been going well.
And I have sort of a variation on that question for Kemi, which is if she's talking tough about the things that we showed in that turning point montage there, where was she for the past 14 years of Tory rule?
Like it's like you can be against the last three months or however long it's been since the Labour's been in power.
But all the things that are a problem today have been a problem for years.
And she was on the inside.
And I think this is Nigel Farage's argument, which is why should she be trusted when suddenly she discovers she's a tough conservative today?
Yeah, as I mentioned, she's the Conservative Party continuity candidate.
She reflects the last 14 years of Conservative rule.
And if she ever does become Prime Minister or near Prime Minister or whatever, she is going to be in very, we will just get more of the same old, same old that we've had the last 14 years.
You know, whether Robert Jenrick was sincere, I think he was actually.
I think he was.
I think his time as an immigration minister saw the full horrors of what immigration, how much it costs, what actually goes on, what level of crime they're committing.
I really think it was a wake-up call.
That's one of the reasons he turned to the right and reformed reform.
But no, no, I think Kemi Bain will prove to be a complete disaster for the Conservative Party.
It's obviously particularly early days, but I just get my water tells me, my gut instinct tells me that this is going to be the same old, same old Tory party.
The king is dead, long live the king, meet the new boss, same as the old boss sort of thing.
And it probably will be a terrific opportunity for the Reform Party.
You know, Nigel Farage must have been rubbing his hands in glee at her election rather than Robert Jennerick.
Time will tell, but I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't think Kemi Badenock is the ticket we're looking for.
You know, I want to play just one more Kemi video before we move on.
As I mentioned at the top of the show, we have a personal relationship with Tommy Robinson.
He's a former employee of ours, and from time to time, I help with crowdfunding his legal fees.
I mean, he is his own independent shop.
He has not been a member of our company in half a dozen years, but we have an affection for him.
And I know he's prickly and I know he's a rambunctious fella, but I see within him someone fighting for certain British values.
And as Majid Nawaz says, he's filled the void left by others.
Here's Kemi Bidnock when she was asked about Tommy Robinson's recent sentence.
Was there in the court in Woolwich when he was sentenced?
Here's Kemi giving her views on that.
Take a look.
Well, he pleaded guilty, so that means that he felt that he had done something wrong.
And once you plead guilty, then the court process takes over.
I don't think that many young people support Tommy Robinson.
I'm sure that there are some who do, but I think it's very important that young people understand that the justice system in this country is fair.
And where people believe that it isn't, they should contact their local representatives, their members of parliament, so that we can do what we can to make it better.
Lots of people do support Tommy Robinson.
Do you think his activism is good for the UK?
I'm sure lots of people support all sorts of people.
We should look at what it is we're trying to achieve in society.
And I believe that we want a society where there is a lot of social cohesion.
It doesn't mean that there are, you know, that there's perfection or that we are living in a utopia.
But all that I try and do as a politician is bring people together.
You look at some of the work I did as a minister on inclusive Britain, making sure that people, whatever their ancestry and heritage, believe that they have a place in this country and love it rather than feel embarrassed about their history or don't have pride in their country.
We want people to be patriotic and have pride.
You know, I was there in court and I understand why he pled guilty because the facts are he was in contempt of the injunction.
I think it's almost a word trick to say he felt he admitted he had done something wrong.
I think I don't think he feels he did something wrong.
That's why he refused to take down the video and is going to serve a sentence of 18 months.
He'll only serve nine.
But when she says that we have a fair justice system, I think a lot of people on the right look at what there's a phrase two-tier cure, as in Keir Starmer, that he has two tiers of justice.
And I think you see that every day.
There were people who were thrown in prison for two plus years because they tweeted something considered Islamophobic, like a word crime, two years in prison.
And yet, actual street crimes are not given that same sentence.
And I just feel like I was listening to a defender of the status quo, not the leader of His Majesty's loyal opposition there.
She was defending, and I'm not asking her to be friends with Tommy Robinson.
That's an acquired taste.
But for her to say, no, no, everything's fair, everything's fine.
If you don't like it, fill out this form and talk to this local committee and blah, blah, blah.
And it's all about cohesion and smoothing over any disagreements.
There is an essential disagreement in the UK, and I don't know if it can be smoothed over.
It has to be dealt with head on.
What do you think?
Well, absolutely.
Funny to say that.
When you were playing the clip, you probably saw me furiously flicking through my phone because I actually replied to that clip this morning from Kemi Blake.
So far, it's got 40.40,000 views at the moment.
I thought that was absolutely appalling, what she said there.
She probably, you know, it's tough to work out whether these people know what the real score is with Tommy.
You know, I've always said Tommy's a flawed character.
You know, he's sometimes the architect of his own downfall.
I've said it to his face as well.
And but on the other side of that, on balance, I think you think he's a gross force for good in this country.
You know, and no one, you know, he's been right on most issues, whether it's the grooming games after his interview in 2011 with Jeremy Batman on the BBC, whether it's sort of Muslim gangs running prisons in this country, or whether the Digbury boss seven years ago was a den of extremism.
It's only been recently revealed again by the establishment that he is actually a dead deliverance of Islamic extremism.
So he's right on everything.
And Kami Bainhog, dismissing him in like he is, they either know he's right and they want to suppress what he's saying, or they brought into the media narrative towards him.
Both are equally as bad.
I think Kemi Baknock probably knows what the score is, but he's forced to sort of parrot these misses of attacking Tommy Robinson.
By the way, in a reply, because I actually replied to her, that's all clip to her.
I estimate that probably 20% of the population genuinely agree and completely stand behind Tommy Robinson on that.
I would guess another 10 or 20% are reasonably mildly sympathetic to what you say.
It may be more.
I just deliberately went for modest figures.
But when you're sort of speaking for 40% of the electorate, that's a lot of people you're speaking for.
And also what I've nothing I'll notice as well, I wrote an article for the Conservative Woman actually, and I'm dead at the weekends.
And where I sort of looked at sort of the conundrum that the Reform Party have when it comes to Toby Robinson, because whilst not all reform voters are Tommy Robinson fans, most Tommy Robinson fans will lean towards the Reform Party.
That's work.
Look at things.
And it seems to have moved the dial a bit.
And also, as well, there's two presenters on Talk TV, which is sort of, you know, it's straight down the line.
The presenters are sort of centre-rightish, classical liberal, you know, tell it how it is, free speech absolutists.
And they've also done all the private YouTube and podcast channels.
They've done some sympathetic stuff on Tommy Robinson.
And also Rupert Lowe, the reform MP for Great Yarmouth, I think it is, or certainly encumbers his lower stuff.
But Rupert Lowe has written to the Ministry of Justice because his constituents have written to him, wanting to make sure that Tommy Robinson's welfare is looked after in prison.
And also as well, one thing I noticed as well, Richard Tyson, who was very, very rude about Robinson.
You know, I think he referred to his supporters as we don't want that lot.
Maybe the tide is slightly turning in Tommy's favour.
Maybe there may be some time in the future whereby the Samsung will have to deal with him.
Rather than dismiss him, they will have to speak to him and maybe meet us, meet him and his supporters and the rest of the public halfway on immigration and the way we deal with Islam in this country.
Things could be reasonably encouraging.
If only he hadn't bloody broadcast that flaming video, he could have been well on the way to redemption.
The example I always give is, what would you think of somebody who was part of a prescribed terrorist group whose members planted bombs in department stores?
What would you think of somebody like that, Ezra?
Well, I would be against that.
Okay.
Yeah, that's Nelson Mandela.
One of the great people of the 20th century.
That's how he started off.
He was, you know, you look at the way Sinn Fen IRA was included into the processes in the Northern Ireland Northern Ireland Windsor Agreement, whatever you.
It only goes to show you that everyone is beyond, you know, everyone can have redemption.
So, yeah, you know, Nelson Mandela was, its members planted bombs in the barber stores to kill civilians, you know, and they were prescribed to international prescribed uh, terrorist organization, the NC.
So no, I I think things are looking slightly better.
I think one of the other reasons will it if I, if I just explain, I think like, because the Labor Party is is so far to the left, so far to the left, they've left a massive gap for the, for the overt window to expand And, you know, whilst, you know, one time calling all the people coming over the channel, an invasion was thought to be highly racist and you're cancelled, that's acceptable now.
And also, as well, the other thing that's sort of slowly coming into the fore is the talk of re-immigration.
You know, Robert Jenrick was talking about re-immigration and both other talk is very much a talking point for people in this country at the moment.
Well, we'll know later tonight, or perhaps it won't, we won't know tonight, if the U.S. votes for Donald Trump, who has talked about mass deportations.
And it's certainly something that is pregnant in Canada too.
Justin Trudeau is letting in 2 million people a year in a country of 40 million.
It's an astonishing number.
Sure.
Although Nigel Farage has gone on record saying he will not support mass deportations.
Let me close on Tommy Robinson.
I would not compare him to Nelson Mandela, although I see your point, which is Nelson Mandela was part of a prescribed group, but I understand your point.
I see Tommy Robinson as someone who is keeping millions of Indigenous white British people, working class people, poor people, keeping them hopeful and engaged in the system.
And without, because Tommy's trying his best.
He's trying to be a journalist.
He's trying to, you know, he didn't run away from the law.
He came back to the UK to face his fate.
He didn't run away.
He's a civil prisoner, not a criminal prisoner.
So he's trying to play by the rules.
And if he's being unpersoned, he is the link that keeps like if he's gone, God forbid, if he's killed in prison, and they're putting him in the worst prisons, these people will say, oh, if you have no room for Tommy, if you'll denounce him, marginalize him, and perhaps even kill him, then there's no chance for anyone like me.
And they'll drop out of the system.
And perhaps there will be more riots.
You talked about support for him.
There was a major British poll in the wake of the race riots earlier this year that showed what you said.
A lot of people, while they didn't support the riots, they at least understood them.
And I fear for the path of the UK.
If Trump is elected, what does it mean for the Labour Party?
Because they rhetorically despise and disparage Trump at every turn.
And there was a recent hullabaloo of a bunch of Labour Party volunteers talking about going to America to door knock and campaign against Trump on the ground.
Now, who knows?
Maybe Kamala Harris will pull it out of the rabbit out of her hat.
If Trump is elected, just in that hypothetical, what will the relationship be between those two countries?
It was, you know, it's the special relationship, US and UK are best friends.
What happens when you've got a woke bully like Keir Starmer versus a stubborn man like Trump?
I think I think we're adding for a disaster here, aren't we?
Just very briefly, I've always thought that the special relationship is the vanity of the British.
You know, we only have a special relationship with America because it suits America, you know, rather than the other way around.
I think the bad relations between Trump and the Labour Party started off with David Lammy, who's currently the now foreign secretary, where about five years ago, he called it racist, he called him a bigot.
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He's probably had the same old, bory, old clichés that took the CNN talking points.
Then that Labour Party employee, she wasn't an activist, she was an employee of the Labour Party, was arranging for 100 Labour supporters to go over to America and help with the canvassing and what have you.
I think that made back fire.
I think that made back fire.
If an American knocked on my door and said, oh, well, you're voting for the Labour Party, I probably think of a few choice words to say to him.
It really is completely bad manners to interfere in somebody else's election just because you don't happen to like the candidate.
I'm sorry, it's not your business.
You should stay out of it.
You can tweet your support.
You can say, oh, Hurrah Campbell or whatever her name is.
But you should not be out of there.
And also, just to rub everyone's nose in it.
What's his name?
Robert Buckland used to be the Attorney General in Britain under the Conservative administration.
He's gone to America to canvass for the Democrats as well.
So it's not only the Labour Party, there is a Conservative member party as well.
I think Trump has vowed to go after the Labour Party if he does get into power.
I wish Donald Trump well.
And so I think the person who will be in charge of Anglo-American relations should Trump get in will be Nigel Farage.
Wow.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, I don't know if the Labour Party would like that.
I mean, I think that you can.
You know, you want to have a chat, mate, you know, I've got his number.
Yeah.
I mean, there's a couple of Brits that Donald Trump gets along with.
Nigel Farage, and I think Pierce Morgan is another.
They were buddies on his show, The Apprentice.
Let me show you a clip.
It's not just that.
I mean, I think perhaps the second most famous person in the world, I think the most famous person in the world is probably Donald Trump.
And I think one of the, perhaps the second most famous would be Elon Musk, who has gone in full tilt with the Republicans.
He's campaigning every day.
He's giving away a million dollars a day to people who sign his petition.
Like, it's extraordinary.
But he recently said he was afraid to travel to the United Kingdom because everyone from Keir Starmer on down has been talking about criminalizing mean tweets.
And, you know, the creator, the CEO of the social media app Telegram, Pavel Durov, was arrested in Paris.
Here's Elon Musk saying he's literally afraid of visiting the UK for fear of being arrested.
Although, you know, we've got quite a lot of bureaucracy here, but in Europe, they've got country-level bureaucracy, and then they've got EU bureaucracy on top of that.
You know, I mean, the EU headquarters in Brussels is a monument to bureaucracy.
It's really next level.
You know, and they don't, unlike America, they don't have a First Amendment.
You don't actually have freedom of speech in Europe.
So, you know, we're kind of like a pretty rare situation having freedom of speech.
So, like there's crazy stuff happening in the UK where people are getting like two, three-year prison sentences for Facebook posts.
I've retweeted stuff that I can get set to prison.
Yeah, like, I'm like, I don't think I should go to, you know, visit Britain because I'm like they're gonna like drag out some you know tweet and say two years in prison for this tweet or something bullshit like that, you know.
So anyway, I think I think that's, you know, with Trump elected, we got we can put a stop to that stuff and say like oh, no way no no nope, no.
Throwing people in prison for for random social media posts, that's crazy.
Yeah, it's happened a lot.
No, I mean it's so crazy in Britain that they were that they're released.
They actually have released convicted pedophiles in order to imprison people for making social media posts.
That is a real thing.
That happened insane.
Now he may be overstating things a little bit, but let me show you this exchange between one of my favorite British broadcasters, Trevor Phillips, and a Labour cabinet minister who was putting together an investment symposium of foreign billionaires trying to gin up investment in the UK.
Well, who's got more money than Elon Musk?
Musk has expressed interest in the UK for a number of his projects, and look at Trevor Phillips.
Ask, I think, three times why the Labour government will not invite Elon Musk.
This, I mean, I love Trevor Phillips more every day.
And, by the way, I bumped into him at the Tommy Robinson rally at Westminster on last weekend.
Now I don't know if he was just passing through, but I saw Trevor Phillips and I chatted with him for about 10 seconds, so maybe he was there to get the facts on his own or maybe he was passing by.
Trevor Phillips versus the Labour Party.
On Elon Musk.
Take a look, why didn't you invite Elon Musk?
You're desperate to get a company which sacks its employees by Zoom, but you're siffy about the biggest car maker in the world because he put something on social media you didn't like.
Look, I'm not going to comment on particular invitations from particular personnel.
Elon Musk is not some some odd invitation.
It is Elon Musk, biggest car maker in the world, richest man in the world.
Why didn't you invite him?
Look, I'm not going to comment on the, on the reasons for any specific person, but I can tell you we have 300 of the most significant investors, business figures, people who can bring significant amounts of capital to the UK, big names, things that will make a big difference to working people.
Yeah, you're happy to talk to me about DP World, who sats their workers.
You're happy to invite the Saudis who authorize the murder of Jamal Khashoggi, and they get the red carpet.
Why isn't Musk being invited?
Well, I'm not gonna.
This is you in opposition, isn't it again?
No, not at all.
This is about who can bring the kind of investments that will make the biggest difference to the UK, to working people's lives.
The fact that we have oh, I think, in a hundred days, Musk hasn't got a bob or two that he could put in a car in into Britain.
Well, look the criteria and the selection.
This is a summit.
I know that everyone wants to come.
I do understand that not everyone can come and I'm not gonna be right to go through the individual decisions for individual people, but this is about what will make the biggest difference.
Look, you understand how weird this sounds.
You want people to come and invest in Britain.
You want people to bring their money.
Yet the one person who probably's got more money to burn and would probably like to invest in Britain in fact he says so publicly when he didn't get the invitation you're deciding he's not good enough.
For what reason?
No look, if people have an investment proposition for the UK, of course I will talk to them about it.
I'm not gonna go through the thousands of people Trevor wanted to come to this summit.
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Of course they did.
Elon Musk is not that thousands of people.
Well look I'll simply say that the people coming, you'll see the scale of the investments.
You'll see the opportunities for the UK.
You'll see the kind of quality and depth of the engagement this new government has.
And I think to individually talk about a certain person here or there.
That's not right.
So the Labour government hates him, not because they hate billionaires.
They love billionaires on the left.
They hate this guy because he's for free speech.
He's anti-woke and he's not your typical CEO who's afraid of governments.
What do you make of this?
Would they actually arrest Elon Musk?
Are they going to try and attack his company legally, like give it a huge fine?
What do you think the Labour Party in the UK wants to do, Elon Musk, on Twitter?
I don't think he would be because the publicity that it would give the Labour Party negative publicity would just be even worse.
As far as I'm concerned, democracy is over in this country until we have a change of government or a change of leader.
I do not see Britain that we live in a democratic country anymore.
Free speech is under threat.
We now have political prisoners like Tommy Robinson.
The most egregious example of little prisoner is a guy called Wayne O'Rourke, who looked after his disabled partner.
And he was given three years for saying that the killer was a Muslim, when that might now hold water.
Certainly the person who was accused of the murder of the three little girls in Selfport has an al-Qaeda manual.
I also know some other information which I can't reveal, which confirms that Wayne O'Rourke was probably almost certainly correct.
So, yeah.
So therefore, somebody went to jail for telling the truth.
And that is an absolute disgrace.
And three years as well.
I can see a six month suspended sentence because the guy hadn't done anything wrong in the past.
He had a clean record.
I could see six months, maybe a big fine, something like that.
But the draconian, spiteful and nasty, ghastly way that Stavel went about stitching up all those people and railroaded them in the police station.
He set up 24-hour courts.
You're sort of dragged in at two o'clock in the morning, blearing out the plead guilty to violent disorder.
And also, yeah, probably the one that really makes it the worst example is Peter Lynch, 61.
He hung himself.
Apparently, he hung himself in prison because of depression.
We don't know why, but he hung himself in prison.
He did not throw a brick.
He did not throw a bottle.
He did not strike anybody.
All he did was standing on the sidelines, screaming scum at the police and generally abusing them verbally.
He got two years, eight months for that.
Absolutely disgraceful.
And the other thing is, the other factor which we don't know about Peter Lynch's death is whether he was bullied by other inmates, particularly Muslims.
We don't know that.
We want to find out.
Yeah.
Well, Tommy Robinson was moved from Belmarsh to HMP Woodhill, which is 37% Muslim.
And of course, the reason there's so many conversions to Islam in prison is that's how you stay safe.
You convert to Islam, join the Muslim gang, and you're protected.
And if you're in prison, either because you're Tommy Robinson and you're notoriously a skeptic of Islam, or you're someone like Peter Lynch or these other people, you're going to be a target.
They'll immediately become marked and any member of the Muslim gang that kills you or harms you is going to be a hero.
And it's so obvious that the prison governors do not run the prisons.
UK prisons are completely out of control.
That's why they have to put Tommy Robinson in solitary confinement so he's not killed.
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I'm very worried about the UK.
Tell me, let's can you leave me on a hopeful note?
Is there any reason to be hopeful?
Because we don't want to, there are some great things going on in the UK in the name of freedom.
There are some.
I can think of some, but I'd like to ask you if there's what are you hanging on to?
What observation, anecdote, factoid trend or person even is reason to be optimistic?
Sure.
I think the Labour Party will take to let me start again.
The Labour Party, I think, will completely combust.
There will not be a Labour Party in five years' time.
There'll be ashes of a Labour Party.
There may be a new Social Democratic Party.
Maybe the Liberal Democrats will take their place as Britain's second party.
But the Labour Party will have done everything wrong with civil rights, the economy, the way they deal with immigration.
They're going to be absolutely hopeless.
And people are going to really loathe, you will even hate them by the end of it.
I think they're going to see their destruction.
The Liberal Democrats, as they might take over.
What I hope for is a renaissance of the Reform Party.
I did speak to one of the insiders a couple of months back, and they said if this Russian rubbish hadn't turned up, they probably would have won another 20 seats.
They lost 3% in the last week of the campaign.
And they lost, let's say, possibly up to as much as 20 seats.
So I should imagine at the next general election, we will have a reform party, which may get maybe even 100 seats.
And that will give them substantial influence, substantial power in parliament.
And let's hope that that will be a springboard for a far better Britain.
Because at the moment, it's very grim.
I think everyone's kind of hanging on by the skin of their teeth and the skin of their fingertips and fingernails, that kind of thing.
Britain's a really quite depressing place at the moment.
And as you mentioned, you ought to be slightly positive about things.
The three Tommy Robinson rallies, everyone went away feeling positive.
Everyone went away feeling better about themselves.
But tomorrow's another day, it's an Austrian Euro, as they say, in France.
So yeah, onwards and upwards, chin up.
We're British, stiff upper lip, carry on and keep calm and carry on.
Well, thank you so much for spending better than almost an hour with us.
It's great to see you again.
I look forward to meeting you one day when I go to the UK for one of Tommy's interminable court hearings.
You have left me with a bit of a sinking feeling that Kemmi Badenock, who I really am trying hard to admire, you scared me because I think she does, especially her answer about, oh, the justice is fair, everything's fine, social cohesion, that really did feel like a deep state answer rather than the answer of a reformer.
And I'm worried that there'll be a split on the right between Nigel Farage and Kemi Badenock, which might allow the rump of the Labour Party to come up the middle.
But we'll keep reporting on it.
And hopefully that you and I can keep in touch because I'd love from time to time to have you update our viewers.
Yeah, you know me.
You know, I'm 24-7 available.
So, you know, it's very civilized as well.
You know, we can speaking, you know, four o'clock, five o'clock in the afternoon.
Good time for me.
I can then open a bottle of wine.
Well, that's great.
Nice to see you again, David Atherton, a British journalist and broadcaster.
Good luck over there in the UK and good luck to the whole world tonight.
And bless Canada as well.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Bye-bye.
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