Ezra Levant and Dr. John Robson dissect Justin Trudeau’s evasive testimony at the Hoag Commission, where he claimed ignorance of NSICOP memos warning about foreign interference—despite 700 alleged agents in Canada linked to hate marches. They critique his deflection on China and Iran threats, labeling it the "Canadian Jedi mind trick," while linking his diplomatic failures to declining Five Eyes/NATO trust. Trudeau’s baseless Russian trucker-convoy smear and Emergencies Act misuse worsened divisions, Robson argues, mirroring his own lack of accountability. The episode also spotlights Rebel News’ Avi Amini’s border reporting, revealing pamphlets directing migrants to shelters based on identity, raising concerns about assimilation and voting power amid distrust of mainstream media. [Automatically generated summary]
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All right, here's today's podcast.
Tonight, Justin Trudeau takes the stand in the Foreign Interference Commission of Inquiry.
Oh, he said some atrocious things.
It's October 16th, and this is the Ezra Levant show.
Shame on you, you censorious bug.
Well, it was extremely irregular the other day when the RCMP had a press conference saying that India was implicated in some of the most atrocious crimes on our Canadian soil.
And they excused their press conference by saying they had a duty to warn.
I haven't heard of that duty before.
Perhaps it exists.
I didn't know it was a duty to have a press conference.
Typically, I would think the police, if they have detection of something nefarious, would go to the government, would go to the prime minister, the foreign minister, would do something like that.
But no, apparently, duty to warn meant having a spectacular press conference, which just happened to change the subject of the national discussion from the mutiny in Justin Trudeau's liberal minority.
Well, today, Justin Trudeau has doubled down on changing the channel.
He was a witness at the Hoag Commission of Inquiry.
That's named after the judge presigning.
It's an inquiry into foreign interference in Canada, which, of course, Trudeau himself is up to his eyeballs in.
You might recall that a few years ago, Justin Trudeau's brother Alexandra personally accepted a six-figure check from a People's Republic of China connected businessman, six-figure check for the Trudeau Foundation.
Personally, he went to pick it up.
11 members of parliament have been implicated in Chinese influence operations.
Some of them we know their names, like Handong, others, we don't know their names.
Well, Trudeau was there today, and I don't know, the only way I can explain what he was saying and doing was again, he would rather have a crisis and controversy of his own choosing than one of the choosing of his backbench MPs, terrible by the opinion poll.
So that's just my thoughts on things.
But I noticed today that as our friend Sheila Gunread was posting interesting video clips of the Hoag Commission, that our old friend, John Robson, Dr. John Robson, documentary filmmaker, author, columnist, and executive director of the Climate Discussion Nexus, I noticed he was following it closely too and giving his commentary on Twitter.
I thought, well, let's have John back on the show and talk to him about this very interesting case.
And he joins us now via Scribe.
Dr. John, great to see you again.
Good to be with you.
Well, it's nice to have you.
What do you make?
I don't want to go down the road of my theories too much because the substance of what Trudeau says is something we should talk about.
But it felt irregular to have police release details in a press conference and claim they had a duty to do so.
I mean, I suppose the police announces when they lay charges.
So police press conferences are not a rare thing.
But the way this went on, it struck me as highly irregular.
Am I being too sensitive?
I don't think so, especially given the reasons the government has given us not to trust them.
Because I agree that the police do have a duty to warn, but where has it been for the last nine years?
It's clear that at least some people in power have been well aware of attempts to subvert our democracy.
And the main villain here almost certainly is communist China.
And they haven't felt the obligation to tell us anything.
In fact, we keep getting the Canadian Jedi mind trick.
I mean, almost any subject you ask the government, they say, you Canadians don't need to see that information.
But especially on foreign interference, even after we were told that there are a number of MPs whose behavior has been probably worse than merely naive, but nobody will tell us anything about it.
And then I just saw the public safety minister today saying, oh, it's so hard to have a rational conversation in this partisan atmosphere.
No, it's hard to have a rational conversation because we know that you know something we need to know and you won't tell it to us.
And then you say, trust us, but you don't trust the citizens.
And so then to have the RCMP suddenly going all out of this Indian issue when they've never told us what's going on with China just again makes one suspect that they're not being frank with us and that they're protecting one another instead of protecting the public.
Yeah, that's a great point.
A duty to warn is a duty they didn't really live up to these past nine years.
It's not just China.
Iran, we learn from various investigative reports, including one in Global News, has up to 700 foreign agents running around our streets.
In fact, many of them are whipping up these anti-Semitic hate marches.
So that's a very manifest, in-your-face, conspicuous form of foreign interference.
Of course, it's using the pawns on the chessboard of Canadian permanent residents and Canadian temporary visa holders, but it's being orchestrated by Iran.
No duty to warn there.
No press conferences there.
I find the whole thing very curious.
But let's get to what the Prime Minister said today.
You were following along, and we have a few clips that I saw you react to.
Let's play the first one.
This is a clip from the Hogue Commission today.
John, we'll play it for our viewers, and then I'd like your thoughts on it afterwards.
Olivia, go ahead and put in the first clip.
And if we can scroll down to paragraph 126.
Prime Minister, for your benefit, this is a discussion about a succession of memos suggesting that essentially unclassified briefings be provided broadly to parliamentarians.
And what we see here is that NSICOP made this recommendation in 2018 and 2019.
And there are three memos that were intended to go to you in some way, shape, or form.
So one in December 2019 that was sent to PMO but never followed up on.
And we heard from your staff that that sort of fell through the COVID cracks at the beginning of the pandemic.
One in December 2020, which was discussed within PMO, but ultimately not actioned.
And that the report mentions one in 2022, which was never finalized or even sent to PMO.
So just to confirm, first of all, that none of these memos ended up reaching you.
Is that correct?
Correct.
Okay.
And we know that this initiative of broadly briefing parliamentarians eventually did happen in June 2024.
So if none of these reached you, first question I'd like to ask is, should this have happened earlier?
And are you troubled that it didn't?
My position has always been that providing more briefings to parliamentarians is a good thing.
I am fully in favor of it.
We all receive security briefings when we first get elected on not leaving documents hanging around, being careful about when you're speaking about delicate matters in a restaurant or on an airplane or anywhere people can overhear.
We learn the basics of phone hygiene and how to keep your information secure.
And I'm a huge believer in empowering parliamentarians to be able to be safe and thoughtful in how they do things.
The briefings to parliamentarians that you receive when you get elected and security briefings ongoing are not directed by the government of the day.
They're directed by the House of Commons itself, the sergeant-at-arms, if it's a matter of security, the Speaker's office.
Briefings to all parliamentarians is not in general something that the government of the day is directly involved in.
But these various documents are certainly something of these, you know, CSIS has the authorities to go to either the Speaker or the Sergeant-at-Arms and request for those briefings.
These briefings didn't get to me, but these decision points didn't get to me, but I made it very clear throughout conversations that I would have approved of or encouraged briefings of parliamentarians.
There is a process that I see regularly invoked.
About every week or so, I sit down with the clerk of the Privy Council and we go over changes to the senior ranks of the public service.
We talk about particular issues that are coming forward and part of our regular meetings is the clerk highlighting, okay, there's this note that we sent to your office that has been there for a week or two or for too long and we need a return on this because this is important and we need this to be acted on.
And I'll say, okay, we'll follow up and we dig it up from the pile of notes that we get and make sure that we prioritize that.
In this case, nobody, neither CSIS through their minister to me or directly to the clerk or to the NSIA, flagged that this was something that was of importance to them that was stalled.
And therefore, as you pointed out, they were not acted on in my office.
You know, I don't want to call Trudeau a stupid man because I don't think he is.
He's not a serious man.
I'm told by people who know him that he spends most of his free time reading science fiction books.
So he just chooses not to be briefed.
We learned in past meetings of this commission of inquiry that staff would have to read him Cece's notes like a bedtime story because he literally would not, could not read them himself.
He just didn't care enough.
They treated him like a child that way.
So he's sort of stupid in that he chooses not to know things, but he's obviously not stupid if he can win election after election after election.
He has what's sometimes called an EQ, sort of an emotional intelligence.
And what I saw there is a guy who was talking out the clock.
He was asked specific questions of why he didn't see security briefings.
And he started with a five-minute story about how when you go to parliament, you're told not to leave documents around.
He's just, I mean, there's no other way to say it.
He's a bullshitter.
And that works on 99% of the press gallery.
And the 1% it doesn't work on are not allowed to ask him questions anyway.
I mean, it wasn't a spectacular, catastrophic answer like you might see from Kamala Harris, because she's not as good a talker as him.
But I think we have a fool as a prime minister.
What do you take away from that long ramble we just heard?
I'm afraid I agree with you by and large.
I mean, he avoided the most catastrophic way that he sometimes presents.
He didn't do the sneering glibness, which would have created endless disastrous clips.
But his testimony was not intended to tell us what the foreign threats are to the country and how afraid we should be of them.
It was all about how none of it was his fault.
And it's rather peculiar listening to it because, on the one hand, he didn't get the briefings.
The memos didn't get to him, but that wasn't his fault.
It's not as though he created the expectation that he shouldn't hear about these things.
But at other points, he would say, well, look, what's in those briefing points was never said to me.
On the other hand, it didn't need to be because this sort of thing had come up in other conversations.
So at the one at the same time, he was never informed of anything that it might be embarrassing to know why he didn't act on it.
But on the other hand, he wasn't clued out.
He knew everything because, of course, he had these deep conversations with people of which there is no record and on which he cannot be pinned down.
And the overall effect, though, he is good at it.
Again, I agree with you that he is not a stupid man, but he is not a wise man.
But he totally missed the point.
If you want to rebuild trust, if you want to have a rational discussion, those in power need to tell us not just when they knew things or what they knew, they need to tell us what's going on.
Who are these MPs whose loyalty is suspect or whose judgment is obviously terrible?
How big are the threats to Canada?
Where are they coming from?
And what really is being done about it?
And instead, Trudeau did a very kind of put you to sleep performance about how he himself couldn't be proved to have done anything wrong.
And even though it was a good performance, it was a good answer, but to the wrong question.
Because the question is, how badly is Canada penetrated by hostile foreign actors from Islamists to communists?
And this is not an unreasonable question, even if sometimes people, including sometimes people in parliament, put it in ways that could be improved on.
NATO's Shadow Over Friends00:06:06
And he didn't even try to address it.
In fact, he tried not to address it.
And so no matter how good his performance was today, it was terrible because we still don't know.
And we know that he's not going to tell us what he knows.
He's not even going to let us figure out how much he knows that he's not telling us and how much he just doesn't know deliberately or through incapacity.
So in that sense, you know, it was one of these disastrously successful performances.
You know, Canada used to be part of a Justice League, if I may use a comic book phrase.
You know, there's the good guys, there's NATO, but NATO is a pretty big group.
G7 is a pretty group, big group G20.
But there was a group called the Five Eyes.
Super friends, you could call them.
The close, close friends.
It'd be like on Facebook.
You can be friends with someone you don't really talk to, but you have close friends.
And this group of five people called the Five Eyes was the United States, the United Kingdom, Australia, New Zealand, and Canada.
We were part of the super friends.
And we're not really part of that group anymore.
NATO had an exercise we did not attend.
There's this new group called AUKUS, Australia, UK, and US.
It's a military and trade alliance.
We weren't even invited.
We used to have something called Operation Maple Flag, which was like an exercise, like a top gun exercise in Alberta every year.
We don't have that anymore because we just don't have aircraft that can fly along with the rest of NATO.
We have slowly been pushed out of the Good Guys Club, not in a spectacular way.
No one has shamed us.
Donald Trump tried to shame Trudeau a bit about our underspending, but I don't think it's just that we don't have a strong military anymore.
I think it's that we're not serious diplomatically anymore.
And I actually think that the penetration of our system by foreign interferers, Communist China especially, but also Iran and others, I actually think that Washington, D.C. does not trust Trudeau or the Canadian government.
And they're not being angry.
They're not being noisy about it.
They're just sort of backing away from us and they've made new friends.
And I think that's happening.
What do you think about that?
It is happening.
And it's a very shameful and dangerous thing.
I mean, the five eyes, it's interesting.
Another way of describing them is the Anglosphere, right?
The United States, Great Britain, Australia, New Zealand, and Canada.
And I'm not going to go too far into that.
Although, remember, Trudeau did infamously say that politicians from Quebec were much better than politicians from the English-speaking part of the country.
Maybe he was not entirely right about that.
But one of the problems here is that anybody who's even partway serious about security knows that Canada is a soft touch, not just for terror groups that we let operate here, that we finally, you know, banned Samadun, but also for money laundering.
And there was just this huge problem with one of our major banks.
We don't police international crime of all sorts, and our allies know it.
They can't trust us.
Our politicians are frivolous.
Our institutions are complacent and mediocre.
And we're just not the country that we were.
Vital in both world wars, a key ally in the Cold War, someone you could count on to do the right thing, even if like all politicians ours tended to do some silly stuff, the so-do-American ones.
But we've lost that status.
And I don't know why they're so shy about shaming us.
It might help wake us up, but they know.
They know that you let the guy with the socks do his selfies and things.
And then once he's out of the room, you have the serious discussions.
And we ought not to tolerate this.
I mean, again, you can't always just blame the politicians.
We're the voters.
This is still a self-governing society.
I call it the picture of Dorian voter.
The more hideous they look, the more we should worry about how we're behaving.
But for whatever reason, and this comes back to the subject of the inquiry, Canada is badly penetrated by hostile actors.
And the whole focus of our elite is making sure that we never find out what's happening rather than saying, yeah, this is a big problem.
We trust you, the citizens.
We're going to put it on the table for you.
If we made mistakes, we're going to confess, but let's get it fixed.
And that's the last thing they're ever going to say.
So our status will just continue to dwindle.
Yeah.
You know, you're so right about the socks.
I remember Trudeau's first big international trip after he was elected in the fall of 2015.
It was actually the World Economic Forum in Davos in January 2016.
And he went and he took a huge entourage and he had photos taken of him with you two, the band, and all these Hollywood types.
And he met with George Soros.
And he was showing everyone his fancy socks, which he was really into.
And people, the first time he showed Angela Merkel his fancy socks, like it would be like you're at a cocktail party and someone shows you it tells you a funny joke.
Okay, that's cute.
Okay, can we get back to why we're meeting here?
I have such a packed agenda.
I have so many serious things to say.
So Trudeau would do his fancy socks thing, and the other leaders were wise to sort of laugh at first.
Okay, fine, he's got this quirk.
But it was all fancy socks all the way down.
There was nothing underneath the fancy socks.
So he would have these unserious tricks.
And very soon, you would see all these video after video, and they weren't just selectively edited, of him at these NATO meetings, G20 meetings, by himself.
No one sought him out.
If he sat down next to someone, they didn't immediately dive.
Oh my gosh, I'm so glad I caught you, Justin Trudeau.
There's something I've been meaning to say about a very important file we have in common.
No one ever says that to him because as he testified before an ethics commission inquiry when he was in trouble for taking the free trip to Billionaire Island, he doesn't get briefed on things.
He's all about relationships.
He leaves the heavy stuff to others.
I really think he's undone our country.
I want to show one more clip, John, and I want your reaction to this.
Overview And Insights00:02:24
This is another clip from the Hoag Commission today.
Here, take a look.
The special report then was the product produced by IAS, the PCO Intelligence Assessment Secretary, at late 21, early 2022.
And this was, for everyone's benefit, drafted in collaboration with CSIS and essentially an overview of PRC foreign interference activities in Canada.
This, as you've said, is one that wasn't finalized and ultimately never reached you and that you have now read.
So in that time period where this was under discussion would be winter-spring 2022.
And having read it again, and you may have given part of this answer already, but is that something you would have wanted to have at that time?
And are there any problems ensuing from the fact that you did not receive it then?
Again, there were elements and facts and examples in there that I had not seen before.
But the overview and the pulling together of information, while useful, I'm sure, for people who were coming at this without the kind of regular briefings that I got, could have been very useful.
I don't feel that there was anything in there that I didn't already understand and know about how China was engaging across different fields in Canada.
It wasn't particularly new.
It was a very useful and good piece of work that combined and compiled everything.
And for someone new to the job, it would have been extraordinarily important.
Even not just new to the job of prime minister, new to a role in the office or trying as an introductory level of, okay, now you need to understand this.
But it was a compendium of many themes that I have been grappling with over the past number of years in regards to China.
Concerns Over Russian Influence00:14:14
And I, again, feel that the NSIA was justified in not feeling that it was imperative that they put it rapidly on my desk, particularly because, as you say, it wasn't yet in its final form.
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That's absolutely classic, right?
So on the one hand, he's not guilty of being ignorant of any of this stuff just because he didn't get any of the briefings.
But on the other hand, you can't prove that he knew anything particular if it turns out that it would be embarrassing to have known it and not done anything about it.
And you get to the end of that and you wind up knowing that Justin Trudeau feels that he personally never makes mistakes of any sort on anything, except perhaps he should have done electoral reform.
But you have no idea what the threats are, how much he was told, what he did or didn't do about it, and how bad things are now.
The end result of statements like that is you're actually more ignorant when he's done.
He has sucked knowledge out of your brain instead of putting any more in.
And again, he fails to grasp that we need to know now what's going on.
You cannot continue this discussion successfully on the basis of making sure that the citizens are kept in the dark.
But that's exactly what a statement like that does.
It doesn't let us know anything about what's happening.
It doesn't let us know anything about what he did or didn't know, what he was told, what anybody's doing about it.
The whole thing, again, it's that Canadian Jedi mind trick.
You don't need to see this information.
And he thinks we'll all just go away hypnotized because the force has a strong effect on the weak-minded.
But trust is crumbling in our institutions because this sort of thing is just having a disastrous effect and we know it.
You know, I think he did know a fair bit about what China was doing, but he was fine with it because it was to his benefit.
When China targeted conservative MPs that weren't pro-China enough, it was to Trudeau's benefit.
When China bust in delegates to vote for certain candidates, he didn't object.
When China funneled money to the Trudeau Foundation, his own brother picked up the check.
He knew what was going on.
He didn't say anything because it was to his benefit.
He didn't read critical memos.
Search warrants weren't signed for months because it was all sort of going his way.
He was happy to be a useful idiot to China.
I want to play one more clip, though, because Trudeau talks about foreign interference and he talks about misinformation and disinformation.
I think that sometimes you see little flashes of his own little world he's created so he can make sense of things based on disinformation.
I mean, I don't know if you remember that clip from that CBC TV anchor who once said that the Russians were behind the trucker convoy.
Here's a reminder of that.
Take a look.
I do ask that because, you know, given Canada's support of Ukraine in this current crisis with Russia, I don't know if it's far-fetched to ask, but there is concern that Russian actors could be continuing to fuel things as this protest grows, but perhaps even instigating it from the outset.
Well, again, I'm going to defer to our partners in the public safety, the trained officials and experts in that area.
Now, that was just a TV anchor, not a wise person, not anyone entrusted with anything.
I suppose their job is to tell the truth, but they're a government journalist.
What are you going to do?
But today, Trudeau blamed Russia and attacked Russia for the trucker convoy, for vaccine skepticism.
And astoundingly, he even claimed.
Tell me if you hear it differently.
I think he's claiming that Jordan Peterson, the guy whose book says to young men, clean up your room, you know, fix yourself before you fix the world.
Him, that he, the Canadian, Canada's leading public intellectual, is a Russian agent.
So he won't deal with the real crises, but he'll call everyone else a Russian spy because it suits him.
Take a look at this.
Now, this is in French, so you'll hear the translators.
I think this is fascinating because he's insulting his enemies and accusing them of being on the Russian payroll.
But he's so obviously rehashing disinformation himself.
Take a listen.
Based on these findings, it is reasonable to infer that there was Russian involvement in the 2022 truck convoy, though the scope and impact remains to be determined.
Est-ce que vous croyez que la Russie a amplifié le convoi de la liberté en février 2022 pour distraire le monde ou le Canada de son invasion en Ukraine?
Je suis certainement d'accord que la Russie a amplifié le chaos et les désaccords indifférents au Canada autour du convoi.
Ils sont très opportunistes à ce niveau-là, qui vont amplifier tout désaccord ou différend, surtout dans notre démocratie, dans nos processus démocratiques.
But I implicit these activities of RT, information and Direct on the invasion and Ukraine and Canada,
because these activities of propaganda, disinformation and misinformation are constant in our social media, in our Canadian democracy by Russia.
So learned directly to more concrete.
I don't want to make the link necessarily, but I appreciate your response.
We can just see the messages that were transmitted or amplified in this context.
From page 7, there are some captures of screen that have been reproduced by the searcher.
We can also see why news, I think, in a second, except José.
So, Canada's convoy has perfectly exposed legacy media's conceded bias.
One half of Canadians say Trudeau is not up to the job, or MEP accuses Canada of human rights violations.
So, when you are talking, but it's messaging today, we see that messages of anti-vax panels convoir and the pandemic,
which is amplified by the propaganda, particularly in the DRAT, continued by the message in the same way, people who are designed anti-vax messages, but there is a legitimate and anti-vax Canada answer, but it is amplified enormously by the Russian propaganda,
and a Ukraine we buy from this Canon this transformed propaganda pro-Putin.
We see and how Jean Marcerné recently was entering financing of bloggers and YouTube in America,
and we created no very connected Jordan Peterson or Tucker Carlson to amplify the message that destabilized democracy.
He won't tell us what China is actually doing, according to CSIS, according to the RCMP.
He'll give that vague fog machine answer.
But he'll make up out of whole cloth that Jordan Peterson is a Russian asset.
His comments about the trucker convoy being a distraction for the war.
The Emergencies Act was invoked on February 14th, weeks before there was a war in Ukraine.
Like, even his timelines don't add up.
He'll smear anyone he doesn't like as a Russian agent, McCarthyist style.
He'll make up things like Russia today flooded the zone with anti-like no one in Canada watches Russia today.
I don't even think you can get it.
I suppose you can go online.
Just he is living in his own conspiracy theory world.
The guy who accuses everyone else of being a conspiracy theorist and a disinformationist, he's living in a bizarre alternative universe where Jordan Peterson is a Russian spy.
He's crazy.
Crazy is the wrong word.
He's a sociopathic liar who alters reality so he can keep his worldview rather than adjusting to the world around him.
What do you think?
I think that answer didn't go very well for him.
I mean, he started out quite reasonably saying, yes, Russian propagandists do try to amplify dissent in Western societies, and they do.
It's the old Soviet phrase about muddying the waters so that you can fish in them.
But then he did drift into that sneering thing that he mostly avoided.
And by the time he was after Jordan Petrovich, I mean, come off it.
Let's get serious here.
Jordan Peterson is many things, but I don't think he's a Russian spy.
But more to the point, I mean, if you want to see, okay, who exacerbated divisions over the Truckers Convoy and over vaccines in this country?
Who refused to concede that there might be any moral or mental decency on the side of people who disagreed with him?
Well, how about Jay Trudeau?
You know, but he refused to meet with the Truckers Convoy.
He smeared them as racist and misogynist before they even got to Ottawa.
This was a terribly obnoxious thing to do.
And it's, again, done lasting harm.
You think about the alienation of the West and of rural Canada.
Trudeau played into everybody's worst fears about the Laurentian elite.
And it did far more damage than RT and any Kremlin black ops could ever possibly have done.
And I'm not, I don't like the Russian government.
They're up to no good.
And certainly they do try to promote disharmony in all kinds of ways, including social media in Canada.
But if you don't give them fuel, they won't be able to get the fire going.
And so again, he has no self-awareness.
I mean, talk about what's distorted about his worldview.
Part of it is that he's never to blame for anything.
And therefore, he must find some way that his reaction to the Trucker convoy wasn't Trudeau at his sneering, glib, offensive worst.
But it was.
It was really, I think, his worst performance as prime minister.
And there's some other places where you might say, okay, here's a contender too.
But and to go off onto that ramble, he could have given quite a short answer and said, I know the Russians are up to no good, but I don't think it's all that important.
And if we conduct our affairs properly, they won't have cracks into which they can insert levers.
That's all he needed to say.
And you're like, okay, you don't like Jordan Peterson?
Fine.
But, you know, like the Shinsuke going off about the white guard insects and Trotsky being a Japanese spy.
There comes a point at which you should hear the words coming out of your mouth and think, I've just got to find a way to stop this sentence and not say another one.
Avi At The Border00:09:08
Yeah.
It'll be interesting to see how that last one is covered.
A lot of Canadian journalists are on the left.
They despise Jordan Peterson.
They despise his success.
He really is, by most measures, the most successful Canadian public intellectual in terms of the tickets he sells, the number of books he sells.
He's a multi-millionaire.
So I think he's despised for his success, that he's had success outside the country, that he has been such an opponent of cancel culture, and he just absolutely whips Trudeau.
So I think that this attack on Peterson will be echoed by the media party, not criticized by it, but we'll see.
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Thank you so much for taking the time with us today.
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I want to end by showing you a clip that Avi Amini recorded on the California-Mexico border.
As you may know, Avi is in an RV recreational vehicle, a camper, and he's going from San Francisco in a very circuitous route, making his way to Florida on election days.
He's going from sort of headquarters of the Democrats to headquarters of the Republicans.
And he's got a driver and he's got a videographer, and they're making videos along the way.
We're calling it Avi Across America.
It's almost like a reality show, but it's real journalism.
And boy, are they having fun down there?
I was with them for a day in San Francisco.
Here's Avi at the U.S. border.
I think there's some fascinating stuff.
Let me say goodbye to you now, but I'll see you later.
Watch Avi and tune into his show all the time.
All right, good night.
Keep fighting for freedom.
Can I ask you, do they?
Are there crossings here every day in this area?
You know what?
We're getting crossings, but it's when it comes down to it, it's super politicized as far as what's going on out here.
So they passed some type of like executive order.
So it slowed it down.
I know you probably saw the news.
What's the executive order?
It's just limiting crossing, returning people back to their country and stuff like that.
Oh, is he actually turning them back now?
Some of them.
It's not as effective as some of the other executive orders, but it is working to an extent.
So it kind of slowed down.
But we were getting people every single day and we're getting thousands.
Avi Mini for Rebel News on the U.S.-Mexico border in an area called Hakumba, California.
It's a notorious hotspot for illegal migration.
As you can see, where we are standing right now is a completed section of the Trump wall.
Secure.
Nobody's getting through here, but we're going to head into town and talk to locals to find out what's really happening here and where the illegal crossings are actually taking place.
And of course, as part of the AviacrossAmerica.com tour, how they feel about the looming elections coming up next month.
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You ready?
Let's go.
All good here.
No one crossing.
What?
No one crossing today.
Can I give you a number and if they're crossing, you tell us where?
I cannot.
It's for Australia.
No one will even know you did it.
Well, you can reach out to our public affairs office if you like.
Yeah, but you know how they are with Aussies.
They don't like us.
They make us their visas.
Can you just covertly?
Can we covertly follow you around?
People wouldn't even notice us.
No.
You gotta be careful going over it.
That's either you're renting one, so be careful of that.
Really?
I don't know what else we're gonna do.
Obviously, can't go that way.
Jesus, it's really good.
Holy shit.
Well done.
I do not think we'll get how does it feel to get out of that?
It was cut and go for a second, but I had a lot of confidence in my four-wheel driving skills.
A little shout out to Cruise America.
Thanks for putting together a solid rig.
Recently, they've been like walking straight up the street freaking like hundreds of amount of time.
I don't know who they are.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, who's paying the freight for all these people?
Taxpayer, I imagine.
You.
You got it.
Not happy with that?
No.
Why should I be?
We got homeless down in the streets.
We know they need help.
We got vets that need help.
Why should somebody else come in and just get a free pass and everything?
How do they determine who they turn around and who they?
It's one of those things where it's easier.
It's mostly an agreement with the country so far.
Venezuela is refusing to patriate a lot of their citizens.
So you have to take them in.
Yeah.
I, as a single individual, am not going to change anything.
But if you could.
You're going to have to get like-minded people together to do it.
But if you could change something, if you could decide what would happen, what would you do?
Let's just have legal immigration.
And what would you do with the illegal migrants that are crossing that border there?
Well, they're illegal.
So what would you do?
They don't belong.
Has it gotten worse or better over the last four years?
Oh, it's definitely gotten worse.
It's definitely gotten worse.
I don't know what's going on specifically right now.
I'm not going to lie and be like, oh, I know exactly what's going on, but it's definitely gotten worse for sure.
And then what do you do with them?
You put them on buses and process them?
We set them up for an order of removal.
And if they make some type of agreement with the country, eventually those order of removals will take an effect.
Yeah.
For the most part, we can't.
The government can't do nothing right now.
They aren't picking them up.
They're just moving them on.
I mean, that's obvious.
When it stops, I don't know.
Maybe after the next election, things will change.
But if it stays the same, it's going to be that way.
Immigrants and migrants come in and just walk in and then the Border Patrol will pick them up and they bus them.
They take them in buses and I don't know where they're taking them.
I really don't know.
What are they bringing?
Are they bringing skills?
Are they bringing some way to invigorate our way of life or their way of life?
Are they assimilating into American, American culture?
Or are they setting up their own little culture in their own little town somewhere where somebody shipped them?
And then, of course, you got the voting block to deal with.
They're getting benefits.
I'm like, I don't get no benefits.
Why don't you put a backpack on and get taken in one of the buses?
Right?
I know, but then they would ask me for my Mexican ID.
If they get the voting block and then all of a sudden they start them voting, what do we have?
20 million, 30 million, 40 million?
People voting?
Yeah, to sway a vote?
Sure.
Will it change it?
Of course it'll change it.
It's obvious.
Harris or Trump, who are you voting?
Trump.
Why?
It's just my opinion with the way he makes our economy.
It's be a lot better for me personally.
Just like with the gas prices, the way with the oil, all that stuff, it's just a lot better for me because I can barely afford to go down the hill and get groceries for me and my son and my wife.
You know what I'm saying?
So we just pulled in to get some gas and something to eat and met a gentleman who's willing to take us to the border to show us how they have to do it to avoid Trump's border wall.
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rebelnews4gold.com just after you finish watching this video where are we What are we seeing here?
This is Incapaw Park.
But right here, this is where probably four months ago, you probably had like 200, 200 or more migrants all here.
Fires everywhere.
Now, see, us as locals, we can't come out here and just camp and have fires.
But they had fires all over this mountain.
You can see their trash is still here.
They've actually done some cleanup, but there was a blue tarp tent that covered this whole area right here.
See, and you got Border Patrol, they'll keep coming by.
And you got Homeland Security that'll come out.
But this camp, I mean, you can see the dirt area all the way to the hills.
This whole area was covered with migrants.
And they were just taking these blue tarps and popping the blue tarps up like that and starting fires.
So you could drive by the freeway and there'd be 20 open fires out here during fire season.
So when either Border Patrol or Homeland Security catch these guys crossing illegally, what do they do with them?
Well, see, they're all sitting up there right underneath the electrical thing.
They bring them down here.
They give them all their paperworks or whatever, wherever they're going to go, New York, Chicago, you know, all over the United States.
Then they just go drop them off in town.
You're literally allowing an insurrection of our country.
You know, it's like you have all these people coming in.
And I talked to the guy the first time and he just brushed me off like I was nobody.
We used to literally shoot skeet out here and do all kinds of recreation out here and they took it all from us.
I see there's toilets set up here.
Who's done that?
That's the city.
San Diego, Border Patrol, Homeland Security.
This is the first time we've been out here in probably eight months where there's nobody been here.
You had China over here.
You had Africa over here.
You had the people from India over here.
You had all the different nationalities separated in just this area from all over the world.
It's like kennels for dogs.
Yeah, it's like kennels.
If you see groups of like 15 of them, it's usually there's one, one, maybe two coyotes, and you'll be able to tell them apart from the others because they're going to have their faces covered.
They're going to have gear on, you know, where the other people just going to have what they got.
Just a regular old backpack, something that you'd see like at Walmart.
You can tell the cartel is different than just the regular people.
So we've been camped out here for a few hours now waiting for the sun to come down because we understand from what witnesses, locals have told us is that the illegal crossings generally happen a little later in the day in the evening, probably when it's a little cooler and easier to come to walk those long distances.
And well, our driver, Lyndon, has found something amongst the fire pits.
So my observation was it was underneath the rock in a place where the fire wasn't getting to, attempted to be burned.
LGBTQ+ Rights at Border Crossings00:03:10
It seems like an interesting document.
I'm not sure if they get past this as they start their travels or right at the border and if they're told to get rid of any evidence of this.
But it seems like once you're illegally into America, here's what you should do.
This is all just instructions.
If they send him to an immigration center, if you have a criminal or immigration record, you're more likely to be sent to an immigration detention center.
It is possible that they will send you to a center in California, another state.
Due to the large number of immigrants crossing the California border, the Border Patrol can take you by plane or bus to Texas or Arizona for processing.
From there, they could release him into the community or send him to an ICE detention center.
This one's wild.
It says if you have a physical intellectual, you are pregnant, you are over 55 years old, or you are LGBTQ plus, you will have the option of going to a shelter, I assume paid by the taxpayer.
I saw like they had these little notes, like these pamphlets without like no branding, no border patrol thing on it.
But it says like if you're LGBTQ, we can give you a hostel.
Yeah, there's just different sides of the aisle that are playing into what's going on.
That's what I was telling you earlier.
So that's not government, that's political, oh, that's political organizations helping.
Politicize this is what's going on.
So what they're giving him out fly is telling them how to basically gain the system.
there's different sides that are more friendlier to what's going on so yeah those are mostly of those guys are so they're helping him like telling him how to play it Yeah, exactly.
Oh, wow.
It's crazy.
Wild.
All right.
Have a good day.
Stay safe.
Over 55 and gay.
I would prance right over that border.
Give me the hostel.
Why would they lump a pregnant woman, people with intellectual disabilities, over 55 and LGBTQ plus people into one kind of thing?
What do they have in common?
Yeah, they have absolutely nothing in common.
In fact, if I was LGBTQ plus, I would be a little insulted that one would think that I would need that extra special help.
But maybe that's what the intersectionality is all about.
So it's getting super late now and we have an entire country to cross.
So far, no sign of illegal crossings in this section of the wall tonight.
So we're going to pack up so we can continue the trip at rviacrossamerica.com.
Let's keep going.
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