Ezra Levant and Alex Jones examine the 2024 U.S. election’s stakes, with Jones warning of deep-state election fraud and assassination attempts against Trump—citing $1.5B lawsuits targeting Infowars, China’s media influence, and globalist threats like BlackRock. They contrast Canada’s censorship laws (C-11, C-63) and Ireland’s forced migrant relocations with historical Islamic slave raids, framing it as a clash between "Team Humanity" and "Team Demon." Musk’s free speech fight in Brazil, where 200,000 protesters faced VPN fines and media blackouts, underscores the urgency of resisting coordinated suppression to preserve truth and geopolitical sovereignty. [Automatically generated summary]
An interesting show for you today, if I do say so myself.
It's almost two hours long.
Also, I interviewed Alex Jones of Infowars down in Austin, Texas, but he interviewed me for almost an hour.
And so did his co-host of another program there, Owen Schreier, for almost an hour.
Altogether, the program today is about two hours long.
And I think you'll find it interesting and challenging and entertaining and outraging.
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Tonight, a visit to InfoWars Studio and Alex Jones.
It's October 1st, and this is the Ezra Levant show.
Shame on you, you censorious bug.
Oh, hi everybody, I'm I am back in our world headquarters in Toronto, Canada.
I just got back this morning from a trip to Austin, Texas.
What an interesting city that is.
It's Texas.
It's the capital of Texas, but it's a little bit weird.
In fact, that's one of their unofficial mottos: weird Austin, keep Austin weird.
It's a high-tech city, too.
In fact, Twitter is moving its head office there.
Elon Musk has a big presence in Texas near Austin.
A lot of interesting people are there, Joe Rogan, and a lot of other broadcasters, including Alex Jones of Infowars.
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A controversial man, to be sure, but a man for whom many things that he said as that were labeled conspiracy theories later became true.
In fact, when I talked with him yesterday, you'll see my interview with him.
I said there's two ways to be wrong.
You could believe too many things to be true and be gullible, or you could believe too many things are false and be overly skeptical.
Those are two kinds of errors.
Ideally, we're skeptical for things we should be skeptical about, and we believe things we should believe in.
But if you had to choose one of those mistakes to make, given the way of the world these days, I would choose an omni-skeptic.
I would choose someone who challenges and cross-examines and doubts things more than someone who is too gullible.
That got Alex Jones into some trouble a dozen years ago when he saw a mass shooting in a school at Sandy Hook, and he thought that it looked wrong.
He said it was fake.
He later retracted that and apologized to the families of the kids shot in that school shooting, but not before they sued him and were awarded $1.5 billion in a defamation case.
That's a staggering amount of money.
For example, when the Libyan government blew up the flight over Lockerbie, Scotland, they paid reparations $10 million per family.
Alex Jones had to pay $50 million per family, and he didn't kill people.
He just talked about it.
You could call it lawfare.
You could call it a bunch of things.
But one of the things that emanated from that is InfoWars itself is going to be auctioned off by the government to pay part of that debt.
I went down there to talk a little bit about that.
You'll see I asked a question to Alex Jones about that.
But basically, I wanted to talk to him about the state of the world.
I wanted to talk to him about his fears for the upcoming election and if he's hopeful, if he thinks the election might be stolen again.
I wanted to hear what he thought about several assassination attempts against Donald Trump.
There was so much to talk about.
I interviewed him for about 20 or 25 minutes, and then I appeared on his show for a full hour.
And then he has a fellow broadcaster, Owen Schroyer, and I was on his show for an hour.
It was an interesting visit.
They really are the granddaddy of citizen journalism.
I don't know if you know how Alex Jones got his start.
It was by sneaking in to sort of a weird, occult summer camp for grown-up billionaires called Bohemian Grove.
Have you ever heard of that before?
It's an astonishing thing.
A very young Alex Jones sneaked into like a cult-like gathering of mainly Republicans, actually.
The Democrats have their own weirdness, primarily around the late Jeffrey Epstein.
Here's just a little clip of what Alex Jones saw in Bohemian Grove.
I think that was a very important news report that Alex Jones made.
People said, oh, no, there's nothing funny going on in Bohemian Grove.
Definitely not a cult or a sex cult.
Definitely nothing you need to be concerned about.
And he proved all of that was true and more.
And if your strange accusation turns out to be true and then some, you have a confidence that forever, if someone says you're wrong, that's a conspiracy theory.
I suppose it gives you a confidence to say, no, I want to continue pressing on to find the truth because I mean, that's almost a once-in-a-lifetime level scoop he had in Bohemian Grove.
Anyhow, that's Alex Jones.
I like the guy.
I find him a great storyteller, an entertaining storyteller.
I find he's naturally curious.
He's a voracious reader.
I think he gets his facts straight, certainly more than the mainstream media.
I don't know if you remember he went on Joe Rogan's podcast, and Joe Rogan and his staff really fact-checked him in real time.
And Alex Jones is right.
Here, take a look at how some of that went.
Scientific research.
I definitely believe that.
Did you ever see Trinity and Baba?
William Chattanooga.
But let's start slow because you go over so many different things.
Hydrogen bombs trying to ignite the atmosphere in the 1960s.
Oh, no.
The U.S. Air Force tried to destroy the atmosphere in 1968.
Yes.
Operation Starfish Prime.
They actually took a lot of time.
They talked about the nuclear psychotic.
They adopted a detonated nuclear bomb in the upper trying to blow up the Randall and Radiation Bomb.
Yes.
They've done a lot of goofy shit.
But see, that's the thing.
That's why I got mad at you.
And I love you.
You're a smart guy and everything.
No, listen, you got mad at me.
You know all this stuff I know.
You're even better at saying it.
And then you sit there because you can't handle it.
And you sit there and dull it out.
I can't handle it.
It's not that I can't handle it.
There's two factors.
One, I don't have any time.
I don't have enough time to go into it as much as you do.
You ask why I flipped out and got mad at you.
That's it right there.
Every time I bring up a fucking subject, you know all about it.
I don't know all about it.
You fucking know all about this shit.
I don't know all about this.
Bullshit.
You're a smart guy.
You don't have to be able to go, oh, Joe hybrid.
Joe's dumb.
Joe just is a pot bullshit.
You know exactly what you're doing.
I don't think you're a bad guy.
You're trying to survive for you and your family and do good.
Okay, but my family, your family, none of us are going to make it.
There's a post-human era coming.
The breakaway civilization, the deal's been made.
It's not in the third dimension.
They've made freaking deals with interdimensional aliens.
Okay.
And notice the media never attacks you for that because that's the truth.
Maybe this is true.
I do not know this.
We'll get into it.
Okay.
I do not know this.
And even these human-pig hybrids, Jamie just pulled this out.
I believe it's true.
I mean, I'm worried about human-pig hybrids.
I'm sorry the Sandy Hill kids died.
My identity is not that.
I get it.
They admit 5G in all the studies, LA Times, causes massive mutation and cancer.
Wait a minute.
It literally rattles your DNA apart.
All of our kids are under attack.
You mean 5G?
I'm mad at Trump for allowing 5G to come in.
This is the new internet.
You know why they won't let China put in WAPO?
You know 5G and Major?
That's the big Chinese.
We are on fire today.
No, they make 5G.
You're on fire.
No, Joe.
Joe, the 5G.
You're on fire.
Okay.
Okay.
Remember how I told you there was a BBC article in 96 about human-animal hybrids with pigs and cows?
Yes.
You got to make you part cow so the cow keeps you and doesn't reject it or part pig.
Okay.
Okay, but let me expand.
And you know about pigs and rats were most closely related to it.
Something chimpanzees.
That's why a lot of the organs don't get rejected.
Okay.
You know about that?
Yes.
Okay.
Yes.
Pigs are very close to humans.
They even use pig organs and people.
As usual, you know everything.
Show.
No, it's true.
I mean, you know, in a general knowledge, you know everything I know.
No, no, no, I don't.
Listen, let me tell you, Joe, Joe, this is literally, we know what they're doing.
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Anyways, I went down there, and I always enjoy my discussions with him.
Obviously, I don't agree with everything he has to say, but then again, I don't know any two people who do agree with each other 100% of the time.
Certainly not husbands and wives or people that close.
But Alex Jones is important.
He's an important symbol of citizen journalism, of freedom of speech, and of the fact that I think the regime media gets away with too much.
The fact that he was canceled by 14 different social media platforms on the same day, I think should have been an alarm to the rest of us.
It wasn't really because it was just Alex Jones.
Whatever you think of the man, let me know.
But first, watch my interview of him when I went down there.
And then later, if you have the time, this is an extra long episode today because after my interview of Alex Jones, I'll play in full my one hour on his show and then my one hour on Owen Schroyer's show.
You'll see that we do play a few clips from Rebel News, including my trip down to Sao Paulo for the free speech rally.
I'd like to hear your feedback on this.
Do you think I asked the right questions?
Do you think I answered the right questions?
What do you think about Alex Jones and the fact that his property is going to be auctioned off?
Without further ado, my visit to Austin, Texas.
By the way, tomorrow I'll have a clip for you of when I went downtown after my visit to Alex Jones.
And I went to Joe Rogan's comedy show.
Now, the comedy show itself was sold out, but I thought, let's interview the people waiting in line.
Let's do streeters about freedom of speech in Texas.
You won't want to miss that.
That's tomorrow.
But for today, my visit to Alex Jones and Infowar.
36 days to the U.S. presidential election.
The whole world hangs on it.
Not just America, but even us in Canada.
What are your thoughts?
Well, Ezra, it's great to have you here in Austin.
You know, I got to say, I've been on here 30 years and nothing even comes 10% as close to the suspense, the danger, just the incredible crossroads that not just America, but the whole world is in right now.
We see populists winning elections all over the planet.
see a global awakening to the whole BlackRock New World Order cashless society slave grip that's being put in place.
We've seen two attempted assassination attempts on President Trump.
We see Kamala just plunging even in the establishment polls.
And so the system is very, very desperate right now, but it's going to try to launch some black swan events, I believe false flags and other crises and October surprises to try to scare the public back into submission or at least have a big enough crisis that they're able to steal the election like the evidence is overwhelming they did in 2000 and to make that believable.
So we are living in the most interesting times, undoubtedly in modern history and probably in human history.
Assassination attempts on Trump, then I think what could only be called a coup, removing Joe Biden.
Like, I just have never seen anything like it.
And there's still a month to go.
I'm actually worried about another assassination attempt.
To me, that's the most terrifying thing.
Do you think Donald Trump is taking his security seriously?
Is he relying too much on a partisan Secret Service?
Do you think he has like some of the Blackwater guys advising him?
Are you worried about Trump's safety?
I know he's taking it more seriously than he did in the past.
The guy's tough.
He's got ice water in his veins, but absolutely, he's taking it more seriously.
In fact, recently they've been having to downsize the smaller venues and turn tens of thousands away because they just doesn't have a secret service he needs to even have adequate or basic protection.
And that's because of the Biden-Harris control of the DHS and Majorcas, who's a total globalist and the one that's running all the child trafficking and open borders.
And so they're doing that deliberately, just like they didn't give RFK Jr., even though they killed his dad and uncle, the attorney general and the president, any coverage.
So they know exactly what they're doing.
And each time, and the evidence is overwhelming, it was the deep state, failed to kill him the last few times.
It just gets more and more crazy from that point on.
And so that's really all they've got now is to try to assassinate him.
People ask, will Trump win?
There's a lot of information out there that goes into why I believe he will.
But if they know the landslide's so big that the fraud can't overpower that, they'll try to kill him.
And that's why they've done it.
And if you follow the trajectory of them trying to block him in 2016, putting him under investigation, all the fake dossiers, the law affair, the impeachments, the indictments, the kangaroo trial, the criminal conviction, it was easy to predict they'd try to assassinate him as you did and as Tucker Carlson did, as I did, because that's the trajectory.
And then each time they fail, it becomes more desperate.
So it's good news, paradoxically on one side, that all these different corrupt institutions around the world, the leftist globalist combine, is in so much trouble.
But again, they're a cornered animal.
So that's the paradox.
They're so dangerous now.
I think a lot of people have their opinion on Donald Trump, and they're really not going to change it.
I think most conservative leaning folks, they don't care about the lawfare, the charges, the convictions, because they write that off as sort of sham trials.
And likewise, there's Trump haters that they'll never vote for Trump.
I think a lot of Americans, seems to me, are already set.
But Kamala Harris, she's not as well known.
She was disliked.
She's dislikable.
She dropped out of the presidential primaries very early.
Less than 2%.
So they're trying to, by they, I'm talking about the regime media, the media-industrial complex.
They're trying to make her attractive and compelling, mainly by not having her due interviews.
Do you think they'll succeed?
Do you think they'll make her, I find her very unlikable.
Do you think they can turn her into a likable candidate?
They got a month.
It's really turned her into more of a joke.
They're just trying to convince us that they can convince some people so they're able to steal it.
It's believable.
That's why they had to get rid of Biden.
No one's going to believe that the cripkeeper, who couldn't even string a sentence together, actually was going to be able to win this.
So if they were able to steal it, they knew he wasn't believable.
That's why they had to get rid of him.
You talked about free speech.
I think 2016 was a free speech victory.
I think Trump won largely because of social media.
2020 was a censorship victory.
What's 2024 looking like?
You got Elon Musk really empowering people on Twitter, but you've got other social media networks.
Who knows what they're doing?
Mark Zuckerberg claims he's neutral.
I don't know if I believe him.
Do you think it's going to be a freer election?
Do you think it's going to be fair?
Do you think Republicans are more alert to the kind of ballot shenanigans that they were last time?
Well, that's what goes into the calculus earlier.
I heard a lot goes into it from all the different experts and different research we've done, looking at past polls, polls that are accurate, polling agencies that aren't.
Trump won in a landslide in 2016.
And because of that, the election fraud was like a seawall, but his landslide was so big, he was able to still get in and handle it.
Then in 2020, because of the Q stuff and Trump's invincible and everything's fine, a lot of folks didn't really worry about it.
And Raspusson and others that have been very accurate in the past predicted that he would probably lose.
And I've talked to the head of Raspusson polling.
He believes because of Baked 10 fraud, Trump really won, but Trump won by a little, so they were able to steal it.
Now the Raspusson head pollster is one of the most accurate out there, says that this is a bigger landslide than 2016.
So again, that's why they tried to kill Trump because of the fact that they know that he's going to win.
And then you add that you've got Texas taking over a million illegal aliens and dead people off the rolls, North Carolina taking hundreds of hundreds of thousands off, Nevada hundreds of thousands off.
I mean, it's massive what they found.
And so, yeah, and Zuckerberg's still behind the scenes over any step, but he's not as robust as he was.
So it's a lot of dead reckoning goes into that, Ezra.
But yes, everything's pointing towards a major Trump landslide, which will then look like a narrow victory in my view.
And again, that's why they want to kill him.
I'm also worried for Elon Musk because he's, in his own way, just as provocative as Trump.
I can't believe some of the things he says on Twitter.
He's very different than most billionaire industrialists.
It's like Ezra Levant or Alex Joe Turker Carlson took over his brain.
Now, he said, I mean, he uses hyperbole, but he can usually back it up.
And he's had hyperbolic success.
He said this election is the do-or-die moment for the Republic.
What do you think he meant by that?
And do you think he's right?
Well, he's totally right.
This is an existential crisis, which means a death battle.
It means America's very existence is on the line here.
We have powerful global financial forces backed by Communist China and others that are on record wanting to basically turn the United States into a vassal of the larger new world order system.
And that's where we are, where America becomes a permanent, deep state-controlled one-party state.
And just like Venezuela and now more and more Brazil, they'll still have elections, but they'll be completely fraudulent.
You know, America has to do what's in its own interest, but a lot of people around the world feel the result on November 5th will affect their interests too.
I feel that way in Canada.
And I look around the world, and there's some countries that are more freedom-oriented, or let's say against mass immigration as well, against globalism.
They're betting on Trump, whereas people who I regard as anti-American, it's sort of funny how anti-American countries like a weak U.S. president makes perfect sense.
Who do you think is, play out for me just briefly, scenarios?
God forbid Kamala Harris wins.
What does China do?
What does Iran do?
What does the European Union do versus if Trump wins, what do those same foreign powers do?
America has to do what's right in its own interest, but I know there's people around the world, their lives will change too.
Well, I saw Hillary was from yesterday, but it was on the air today.
We talked about it.
And she's just lying as usual in between calling for censorship and arresting people for speech and talking about black swans.
She said, oh, you know, the communist Chinese are for Trump.
And, oh, you know, Iran is for, no, Iran got caught hacking Trump's campaign.
Communist China dominates and funds a lot of our media in Hollywood.
It's all pro-Biden.
I mean, half the Democratic Party, it's been estimated on the communist Chinese payroll.
And so it's just absolutely imperative we get Trump in.
Trump is respected.
We had no major wars when he was in.
We had major peace deals because people respect a strong American presence.
The world sees that.
And when Trump said we're open for business again, all that business flooded back in until they launched COVID to try to block it because America's not been open for business for 30, 40 years.
There's all these special deals to make sure it gets transferred to India or China or Mexico or 160 other developing or third world countries.
And Trump discovered what we already knew, but he really got into it, that there were these middlemen, he said, making more money than Americans or even the Chinese that had made the deals going back decades with the communist Chinese leadership and the generals that control really that they call it communist, but China is more like a fascist state.
It's the government corporations working together for a whole bunch of Communist Party leaders that are billionaires using their people as a slave state.
I mean, it's got communism as kind of its functioning government, but it's really more of a kleptocratic fascist state.
And so I keep going back to China over and over again because we've got major forces in the United States allied with them, and that's where we transferred most of our jobs.
And so that's another reason.
Also, energy independence, we became the biggest energy producer and exporter under Trump.
And then, of course, we slipped way back after Biden got in.
And inflation's already so bad and all of the endless quantitative easing is so huge that Trump's not going to be able to totally reverse or stop inflation.
That's been going on for over 100 years, what's gotten us to this point.
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But he'll be able to cheapen energy a lot.
He says, probably cut it in half, and I agree with him.
And that itself will slow it and put a lot more money back in people's pockets to be able to get the economy going again.
But right now, we really kind of have a scenario where it's more like stagflation, where we have a stagnant economy, but also inflation, which is the worst possible economic situation to be in.
You've been generous with your time.
I just have one last question.
It's a little more personal.
Tucker Carlson was thrown out of Fox.
He was the top guy on cable, but he's found sort of a second act on Twitter.
You were canceled on one day by 14 different social media companies.
Elon Musk has revived your Twitter account, which has just led to a renaissance.
I feel like free speech is the actual battleground.
In Canada, Trudeau's bringing in a new censorship suite of laws.
Can you tell us about what they're trying to do to knock Infowars off the air?
And if they're able to seize Infowars, do you plan to continue to speak maybe on a different platform or in a different corporate entity?
Well, that's a great question, Ezra.
You kind of started the interview talking about free speech and Musk, and it's a good place to finish up, but it's huge, huge issue, obviously.
We could talk about it for hours.
But first off, Elon Musk is a total game changer.
He's done incredible things.
I don't think that we would have any chance of winning this election, much less be winning it right now if it wasn't for Elon Musk.
And I believe he is, like you said, in just as much danger or more so than Trump.
Trump and Elon are two titans promoting liberty right now.
They have so much energy and so much intelligence versus Kamala the puppet and Biden the zombie.
It's very paradoxical to see that.
And so, yes.
It's come out in court that the FBI created the fake lawsuits against me, had judges find me guilty, which is un-American and illegal, and then had show trials to send a message to everybody that will destroy you.
And they admitted on CNN, MSNBC, that this was an example for everybody else.
So they're trying to set the precedent.
Now they've arrested the head of Telegram until he rolled over.
And the EU wants to arrest Musk.
Brazil wants to.
The Australians talked about it.
So they thought they had a problem with Alex Jones or Tucker Carlson.
Now they've had to move on to something like Elon Musk, who reaches conservatively.
I've tried to look at the numbers just on the videos and the posts he puts up.
Easily 500 million people today are seeing his videos and tweets and things he does.
And then that spread everywhere else.
He's able to punch through the news cycle and change the subject from the diversionary topics to really central topics, human trafficking, fentanyl, World War III, the national debt, just incredible things.
He's 90% of all satellites launching now is him.
He's brought us back into space dominance.
I mean, he's a Mavericks Maverick.
And I'm not here to kiss ass, but when I see something that's so spectacular and so game-changing, I'm just thank God every day for Elon Musk.
I actually say prayers for Elon Musk and President Trump because Trump says this all the time.
And Elon hasn't said it yet, but I think he should because it's true.
They're not trying to destroy Trump.
They're trying to get through Trump to get to us.
And so they're trying to get through meetings with the people, but I'm more junior to this, which is great.
I couldn't imagine being that targeted.
They are literally coming after those guys for everything they've got, all because they're pro-team humanity, aren't for depopulation, don't want to make everybody porter control them, and are just more laissez-faire type capitalists that believe in what made America so great.
And so InfoWars is up for sale in liquidation.
They've tried so many times to shut it down.
They didn't want to settle.
So the only path left was that.
So the judge said, okay, they wanted it.
The Democrat Party-controlled plaintiffs wanted it just closed.
But we went to federal court instead, so at least he'll allow it to be liquidated so that somebody outside who may be good can buy it and then I can work for them.
And in this storage studio, 16 years in this one office, 30 years on air, we can continue on without a hiccup.
But that's coming up.
I am separately having to pay the legal bills even to defend InfoWars.
That's the way it works.
I'm completely out of money.
Regardless, obviously I've got a lot of offers, a lot of places I could go work and do things.
But the system really sees this like it's a Roman standard or captured a flag.
And they also want to come in and get my intellectual property and then try to harass me further and try to take my material down off the web.
I knew that it was their strategy months ago.
They've actually been in the news lately.
George Soros funded Media Matter says they want to come in and get control of it and then harass me and harass others and just do a bunch of dirty tricks.
So there are some people that are pretty substantive that say they're going to bid on it.
Other people are welcome.
You can just search and you'll look into it and how to find the auction, the Texas federal bankruptcy system of the Southern District of Texas.
I'm going to post soon.
We're 44 days out from the auction, some stuff on the side for people who want to go see it.
And if somebody buys it that comports with my free speech and what I want to do and sees what's happening, it's a successful company.
You never see companies going bankrupt because they're doing well.
And the people that don't want to settle with them if they win a suit.
They don't want any amount of money, and they've said that.
They turned down $70 million in a payout over the years.
And they said, no, we don't want that to the news.
We want him silenced.
So these are classic totalitarians.
They're not even hiding it anymore.
So people want to support what I'm doing.
There's a separate great sponsor that's been very supportive.
It's going to help us regardless going forward.
That's the AlexJonesStore.com.
I don't own that, but some great folks at Bigley do that create some of the best Patriot t-shirts.
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But now is the time to try to back what we're doing over the years.
I've helped countless other people that are being censored and attacked and come to their aid.
And now I really am asking people to come to our aid at thealxjonstore.com.
And they can also follow me on X. Even they're trying to take my real Alex Jones.
The law says they can't, but they're going to try.
And if I don't go fight that in court, they will win.
So it's just a war of attrition.
They want to punish me.
The left thinks I got Trump elected.
Sure, I was part of it, but everybody was.
And I'd take credit if I was the one that did it.
But that's how they see me.
And so they see me as a symbol they want to take down.
And at what level, I'm honored by that.
But there's a lot of important things happening now.
And people are now listening to us more than ever.
They know that most of what we predicted came true.
So InfoWars has more credibility it ever had.
So I think I'm entering the best phase of my career fighting tyranny.
So I would humbly ask the viewers and listeners to keep us in the game and keep us in the fight.
And they would do that by following me at real Alex Jones, supporting the sponsors, and getting a t-shirt or a ball cap that's politically incorrect at thealxjonstore.com.
You know, I was poking around.
You got some great stuff in there, like really some fun designs, the alexjonesstore.com.
Well, listen, I wish you well.
You were prophetic in many ways, and prophets are often not recognized in their own time because they say things that are discomfort, uncomfortable to the establishment.
But even your phraseology, Infowars, there's a battle on for your mind.
Those things, which may have seen far out 15 years ago, how they've come true in recent years.
And I think one of the reasons I like you, and I mean, I find you energetic and passionate and well-read.
But I think there's two kinds of errors someone can make in these days.
One is trust everything.
The other is trust nothing.
But if you have to choose between these two mistakes to be an omni-skeptic, to put every conventional wisdom to the acid test, that is the safer road to go in these insane times.
It definitely is.
And Ezra, I admire your great work over the years and Rebel.
And I know you guys have been through hell at Rebel News, but you've stayed the course and gotten stronger.
And that's the thing is we've survived so long and thrived.
They've really gotten apoplectic and crazy, wanting me off the air.
But it's even worse for Trump.
I mean, all they've done, imagine the frenzy now that they're like degenerate gambles.
Well, gamblers, we're going to get Trump this time.
We're going to get Trump this time.
Yeah.
Well, it's great to talk with you.
Thanks for hosting me in your beautiful studios.
And God willing, in, so I guess that's two days after the U.S. election is your auction day.
A few days after.
Yeah, well, that's very momentous.
We'll keep an eye on that.
Good luck to you.
Thank you, Ezra.
God bless.
Thank you.
Well, that's my interview with Alex Jones.
Stay where you are if you're interested in more, because for the next two hours or about an hour and a half, you'll see when I was interviewed by them.
All right, I'll say goodbye to you now, but enjoy the next hour and a half of my visit to InfoWars.
Well, it's been a couple years since he's been in studio.
It seems like five minutes ago, but also a thousand years ago.
One of the most amazing independent journalists and owners of a media company in the world is Ezra LevantRebel.com, RebelNews.com, RebelNews.com at Ezra Levant on X.
And I wanted to talk to him when I heard he was coming to town last week about Elon Musk and the fight for free speech and everything that's happening.
Elon's Triumph in Brazil00:15:35
He's also recently been to Brazil during a huge protest down there.
We've got a lot of great footage.
He's going to be showing you coming up.
Really, to this audience, nobody needs to have Ezra Levan introduced to them.
I mean, covering Debos, covering the wars, covering everything with reporters all over the planet fighting the COVID lockdowns there in Canada with the horrible leader, Trudeau, up there.
I mean, Ezra, you and your team are literally some of the most prolific and effective people out there.
It's great to have you here.
Thank you.
You were like the grandfather of contrarian dissonant media around the world.
And that's why we're so interested in your freedom of speech battles, because if they can take out Alex Jones, they can take out anybody because no one fights like you.
So if they can defeat you, well, then everyone's in jeopardy.
It's very interesting to us to follow what's happening.
Well, we're all in this together.
Exactly.
We've got to have solidarity.
And I know you genuinely care about me.
I care about you.
But when they're attacking Trump, they're attacking you.
They've attacked you a bunch and the rest of your reporters and stuff too for everything.
I mean, this is an attack on us all.
And it's a globally coordinated.
You know, I was down in Sao Paulo, Brazil, a couple of weeks ago.
Oh, sorry.
I'll wait for you to.
No, no, I'm just saying, there's the camera.
Perfect.
No, no, it's podcast style studio.
I just kind of need to put a camera over here.
It's great to be here.
Why did I go to Sao Paulo?
They had a more conservative, freedom-oriented president named Bolsonaro.
He was defeated by an outright communist named Lula.
And Lula started banning his political opponents and contrarian journalists on Twitter.
And he had a judge who would do this.
And the judge would do it in secret and would order Elon Musk to suspend the critics of Lula in secret.
And then Twitter finally said, we're not obeying this anymore.
We're not going to follow this illegal censorship.
So this judge banned Twitter in the entire country, 20 million people.
And that's the Count Dracula lookalike guy.
Yeah, he dressed, he wears a cape.
Who wears a cape?
So in Sao Paulo, which is a huge city, 20 million people, they had a rally for free speech and for Elon Musk and for Twitter.
That's some of the footage we took when we were there.
200,000 people marched for free speech.
I've never been inside a 200,000.
That looks like more than 200,000.
Oh, it extended a mile in every direction.
It was incredible.
And Bolsonaro was there.
And then you pointed out then the dictator, evidence shows, stole the election.
Lula had no one for his event.
Yeah, and there's that Dracula.
That's the judge, the guy in the cape there.
I mean, he really is slouching back to tyranny.
Remember, they were a military dictatorship just 40 years ago.
So the idea that, you know, you can lose, you can gain freedom, but Brazil is falling back.
What's so exciting, though, is ordinary people of all backgrounds saying, no, this is about freedom.
People go to a rally for a bunch of reasons, Alex, for the camaraderie, maybe for partisan feelings.
But so many people at that rally, when I asked them, why are you here?
They said freedom.
It was inspiring.
Alex, I've got to ask you, do you think there's a city in the United States where 200,000 people would rally for freedom?
I would like to.
Only in D.C. for our Trump rally.
Yeah.
And then they tried to set us up or did, but January 6th.
I did some streeters.
Not a lot of folks down there speak English, but if you guys have the clip, I talked to some folks down there.
I found it was inspirational.
If you got the clip, I'd love to.
Yeah, let's go ahead and roll the clip with audio.
Go ahead.
There it is.
Because if you go X from VPN, they could block this show.
Well, I might be in trouble because I'm using X through the VPN.
I am for other countries in Brazil.
It's okay.
Do you use social media?
Yes, I use.
I used to.
My favorite was Twitter, like X.
But now I'm using Blue Sky, Instagram, TikTok.
I use a lot of social media.
So, you stopped using X when it was banned by the government?
I stopped it because more I stopped.
Elon Musk has stood up to Alexander de Moraes very noisily, and he's pushed back.
What do you think of that?
I think it's good for Brazil because he's not Brazilian, but he's gonna help us a lot.
So, I go for Broquiato Quarterly here.
He's blocked.
But we can't use it anymore, it's blocked.
Do you use VPN?
Do you use VPN?
If I say this, it's dangerous to be mutated.
So it's $50,000.
If I say that I use VPN, I'm subjectable for a fine of 50,000 reais, which will be $10,000 fine.
Maze indoctio.
We are here because this, because he is led us to talk in the biggest platform of Brazil.
So, we are here to fight for this platform and our freedom of speech.
I love Elon Musk.
I love Elon Musk.
Brazil loves Elon Musk.
Thank you.
If you had one message you could send to Elon Musk today, what would it be?
We are on your side.
How do you feel about Elon Musk?
He's taken a great interest in Brazil.
I love Elon Musk.
Oh, love Elon Musk.
He's helping us so much.
I hope so because he has a lot of power, a lot of money, a lot of everything.
I hope he can help us.
You trust him a lot.
If you had one message for the owner of X, Elon Musk, what would it be?
Brazil, we need to fight for our future and we need to stop more ICE.
Elon Musk, thank you for fighting for our freedom.
We are with you.
Thank you very much.
You are the friend of Brazilian people.
Elon Musk, help us, please, please.
Musk, stay firm, don't get excited, help us, because the Brazil needs you and the world needs you, because we need freedom, and you are a warrior, a fighter, for us it is of great importance for what you are doing, not for money, but for what you are, so this is a lot of pride.
So, I fed more, but I'm not sure.
And again, whether you're in Australia, whether you're in Europe, wherever you are, these fights are important because it's the same globalist doing it.
And now, Elon Musk came out yesterday and said, if Trump is not elected, this is a quote, this will be the last election.
And it'll be like Venezuela or now like Brazil, where they still have them, but it's known to be fraudulent.
And now we have John Kerry and Hillary and all of them saying ban free speech, arrest people.
You got California passing their so-called AI law that outlaws memes.
They are really desperate.
I don't see that as a sign of strength out of the tyrants in the UK.
I mean, everywhere.
Well, remember, Sherlock Holmes would ask, what's the dog that's not barking?
So if Elon Musk and Twitter are being banned from Brazil because they refuse to secretly censor the enemies of the regime, what about Meta, which owns Instagram, Facebook, and WhatsApp?
What about the blind?
Well, that's right.
The fact that only Elon Musk is being targeted tells us implicitly that all the others are playing along with it.
And that's happening in regimes around the world.
And that's come out in Congress that millions of requests by the government on Facebook, now Meta, and Instagram, one of their holdings, to censor people questioning the COVID narrative.
And it turned out we were right, they were wrong.
You know, one of the things they did to get back at Elon Musk, because of course he owns Twitter, but they couldn't really touch Twitter, is they started going after Starlink, the internet company, which is really for people in rural places.
And Brazil is so huge, and there's a big Amazon jungle.
So Starlink is critically important for a lot of small towns, villages, hospitals, schools in the Amazon.
And that crazy cape-wearing judge.
Because they couldn't smash Elon Musk and Twitter, they went after Starlink, even though it's a completely different company with largely different shareholders.
And what got me, Alex, is where is the United States defending its companies, its property, its people?
The U.S. trade representative is one of the most terrifying people in the world.
That person gets tough with countries that cheat on American industry.
Why didn't the president of the United States say you unhand that Starlink property in 24 hours?
Instead.
Or don't you think you're going to fly planes to this country?
We're going to freeze your currency.
I don't even know what levers they could pull, but I don't know why they allowed one of America's leading citizens to basically have his property expropriated and go to squawk.
And you're hitting something here.
We have Australia, we have the EU, we have Brazil, we have the Democratic Party and the different federal agencies already coming after Musk because he really is a champion of free speech.
And, you know, just a year ago, people were tepidly saying, okay, he's helping us.
But I mean, the guy, now if you read his post that reach hundreds of millions a day, he is as hardcore as we are.
It's incredible to see the evolution.
I was skeptical 10 years ago.
I thought, oh, this guy is a grant seeker.
He's looking for subsidies for his eco car.
I was skeptical, but give the man credit.
And as the more wealthy he becomes, some people get shy when they're wealthy.
They think, I don't want to risk it.
I don't want to alienate powers that be.
Elon Musk is relishing his power.
Well, he said it was his brother almost dying from the shot and a bunch of his family getting sick from it.
And then he sent his son to a super liberal school that his ex-girlfriend or baby mama wanted.
And then they basically turned, you know, he said his son is dead.
So he's been public.
He said, look, I didn't believe all this.
I was more of a liberal.
Now I realize that the left is a tyranny and it's a mind virus and I'm done.
I mean, so you'd think the left would be smart enough not to scalp his son.
You'd think they'd, but no, they targeted him.
So he is a convert through being abused.
And I'm worried about that because they took you out.
They took Tucker Carlson out.
They're trying to take Trump out using lawfare, using, God forbid, violence against the president.
Elon Musk not only is fighting for his own freedom, but he has in a way socially and journalistically revived you from the dead.
Yeah, absolutely.
He's created a giant mothership for all these other people to be able to have a beachhead.
I mean, I don't have enough to say about him.
I mean, I can't say enough.
It's just insane.
You judge a tree by its fruits.
Elon Musk is hitting on all cylinders and is just as important as Trump is.
And when I told him, I said, you need to get more security.
He said, I will.
He goes, I agree.
Me and Tucker talked about it.
He responded reach way and said, absolutely doubling it now because he understands.
And that's why he moves around a lot.
He's had a lot of threats.
People have come to Austin a bunch to try to kill him.
I believe that.
And you know what I like about him is he, I mean, no man is perfect.
And, you know, they say, don't put your trust in princes.
And don't put all your eggs in one basket.
But, I mean, he is as close to the essential man as it gets.
A lot of things turn on him.
I mean, I was reading the other day that SpaceX is responsible for 90% of all Earth payloads into space.
If it weren't for SpaceX, China would be number one, Russia would be number two, India, and only after that would the Boeing consortium.
America didn't even have heavy lifters for 15 years.
Now we have the biggest heavy lifter.
And so when Elon Musk says this election, if Trump doesn't win its lights out, that sounds like hyperbole.
But not only does Musk consume an enormous amount of information, he must have his own sort of private, almost like security info trapline.
I'm sure he knows things that we don't, that are not public knowledge.
When he says something that grave, I don't think it's just him being mischievous.
I think he does.
Oh, he's got, well, he's had a bunch of national security clearances.
You've got to.
I mean, besides Starlink, there's Star Shield.
That's his military aspect of SpaceX.
You know what?
People have been talking in European countries.
They've been threatening to arrest him.
Keir Starmer, the Labor prime minister, the new Labor prime minister in the UK, has been quarreling head to head, butting heads with Elon Musk, and has suggested that people overseas from the UK who were retweeting some of the race riots a couple months ago, they could face charges too.
Remember that European Union poo-bah who wrote the letter before Elon Musk and said, don't you say rough things in your trouble?
Well, what about the arrest of the Telegram head?
Oh, exactly.
They would do that to Musk if they could.
The lad's got to be careful with himself.
I mean, protect Elon Musk at all costs.
Absolutely.
Talking about you guys at Rebel, Canada has descended a beautiful country, wonderful people, but they're, like Americans, think they're free, so tyranny is able to take over.
The trucker convoys, your people being arrested, not just biological men in girls' sports, 60-year-old men in high school girls swim teams.
I mean, it's not just like, oh, I'm a girl now.
No, now I can compete against little girls.
I mean, it's just madness.
You guys are just constantly nailing it.
You know, we're trying to fight the good fight again.
InfraWars is the inspiration.
We're like a mini Canadian version of that.
I don't know about many.
My God, I've seen you get hundreds of millions of views.
I mean, per story.
You know, I have this dream, Alex, that one day you'll come with me to Davos for the World Economic Forum.
I'll go.
You know what?
You wouldn't, we don't get credentialed.
We don't get past the drawbridge.
But they come outside the capital.
That's right.
And these VVIPs, I call them, they're in their safe place.
It's because it's hard to get to Davos.
You got to fly to Zurich.
You got to take the train up.
You got to, and they book up literally every hotel room and Airbnb in town.
So they make it hard to get there.
And once you're there, the only other, there's a lot of media there, Alex, but they're all regime media.
They all sponsored.
They all paid hundreds of thousands to be there.
So the only people who can ask a question that's independent are the street rabble like us.
You would, and the thing is, you'd be like a kid in the candy store.
The entire globalist elite meets.
They walk around without bodyguards.
Now, there's a ton of Swiss police there.
Don't get me wrong.
It's high security.
But they're not like police in Canada.
They will let you get right up to VVIPs and put a microphone to them as long as you don't touch them.
As long as you don't.
Klaus Schwab, Albert Borla.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, when I bumped into Albert Borla, he was just walking with his assistant, and I scrummed him in close quarters for five minutes.
The police watched.
Oh, they were watching.
Don't make a mistake about it.
But they were fine with it.
And, you know, it's John Kerry, Tony Blair.
It's fun to catch the U.S. Republicans there.
I caught up with a couple of senators and governors, and I always said, what are you doing here?
What's your Republican doing here?
And some of them are shy.
Some of them try and sort of run away.
I don't know if you saw it.
I bumped into the president of the Bill and Melinda Gates.
Oh, I watched it all, yeah.
And you would be, I tell you, you'd be like a hot knife through butter.
It's my goal is to get you to come with me.
You'd love it.
I'll go.
I'll go next time.
The Balance of Power00:04:43
What is it, January?
It's always in January.
We're sending a team again.
It's, you know, it's a journey, and you're running around on the streets, and it's cold, but you get your steps.
I've always wanted to see Switzerland.
I've been around Europe a lot, but never Switzerland.
Expand on this, though.
You know, pulling back, because you're a guy that's been all over the world and seen things.
How would you describe the state of the world right now?
And I would answer the question in my way and then get your take on it.
What was the theme, the official theme of that event this year was regaining trust?
And I watched the Clinton Foundation.
They say everybody hates us.
Nobody believes us.
Corporate media has a less than 10% approval rating, just like our Congress, just like Trudeau was able to get in with less than 20% of the vote because they do all these manipulations, but they are unpopular.
The world really is waking up.
But instead, they're coming in to try to outlaw and officially just normalize tyranny.
How would you describe the state of the world right now?
It's the worst I've ever seen.
And here's, let me prove that to you.
In America, you've got Kamala Harris or Joe Biden or a Paul Bureau that we don't know running things.
They're for censorship.
They're for lawfare.
In the UK, they just elected Kier Starmer, a labor extremist who wants to go even farther.
In Canada, you've got Trudeau.
In Ireland and Scotland, you're bringing in censorship laws all around the world.
The bad guys are working.
It's like the Super Villains League.
And that's why Trump's, the election in November 5th is such a watershed.
Everything turns on it, not just in America, but in Canada, the knock-on effects in the UK.
And I know America is for Americans, but I also know as a Canadian that we look up to America to be the great champion of freedom, the exemplar.
And what do we do?
How do we fight back if you guys succumb?
Don't do it for us.
Do it for yourself.
Well, I agree, but there's also the World War III issue.
The U.S. elites are running the Ukraine war.
Russia said two weeks ago, we're going to nuke you if you hit us with missiles.
I mean, this is all insane.
I mean, the time we're in, Ezra, I know you understand this, but maybe elaborate.
I have trouble believing it's gotten this crazy.
I mean, we're living in very insane times.
You know, I grew up believing the narrative of the neocons.
I believed it.
It seemed right to me.
But when Trump ruled without a new war, with only peace, with harmony, and actually making the Abraham Accords peace deal, it felt utopian.
And I think when you think about the trillions of dollars that will turn on Trump's election and national board, if Trump is, why did Zelensky meet with Trump last week?
Because he knows there's a real chance Trump's going to be president.
He wants to start that conversation.
But look how glum he was in the press conference.
Everyone knows.
Ukraine knows it.
Russia knows it.
Everyone knows it.
If Trump is elected, that war will be over in a month.
And you know who will benefit by that?
Hundreds of thousands of men, women, and children.
But think of the industries that will fail.
There is a deep state, and it's military, and it's journalistic and it's political.
And Trump is the threat to it as never before.
That's why his win is so essential.
And I say this as a foreigner begging America to save itself and thereby save the world.
What did you, what was the first thing that ran through your mind when Trump got grazed with that bullet two and a half months ago in Butler, Pennsylvania, and then the latest one with another U.S. Ukrainian-trained CIA-connected lunatic at his golf course?
My heart, I could feel it pounding.
I was so scared.
But when he stood up and showed he was okay, the relief, the terror, and the relief all in a matter of seconds.
And it was horrific because I had been worrying about that.
And I know you had too.
Because in history, assassinations work.
They work.
They're evil.
They're immoral.
They're anti-human, but they work.
Think of the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand and what that set in motion.
World War I.
And Murdering people in, they almost killed Bull Sonar.
I don't know if you remember Bill Sonar.
He lost half of his blood with a knife.
And I mean, in America itself with four assassinations.
And I'm worried about Trump because he's, you know, he's bold and he loves those huge rallies.
And when there was that second and third attempt on him, I thought, come on, this can't be happening.
But there are people who would do anything.
Countries are in the balance.
Trillions are in the balance.
That's why I'm worried for him and for Elon Musk.
Assassinations Work00:03:51
Oh, no doubt.
Each time they try to kill him and it fails, it only makes them want him more.
You know, I saw Hillary Clinton a moment ago talking about the October surprise.
Yeah, I mean, it will be engineered.
It will be manufactured, whether it's by a foreign entity or a domestic enemy.
They will do anything.
One of the things that we're talking about a lot at the last World Economic Forum meeting I went to in Davos, the two names on everyone's mouth were Donald Trump and Elon Musk.
The second, because it enabled the first.
But the big theme was AI.
You know, every country was pushing AI.
And one of the things they do is they want AI to use, you know, the algorithm to automatically censor things, but in a way you don't even know you're censored.
You think you're broadcasting to the world, but AI is basically meaning that only you, you're shouting into the abyss.
And I'm worried that AI will censor us and we won't even know it.
Talk about a simulation.
We'll have a simulation within a simulation.
We won't even know that we're being censored.
That's my fear.
And I got that fear when I went to Davos.
Well, that they admit the UN said last week, because you know they put this big global compact that we're going to protect you from disinformation, people tell the truth, and AI with global AI.
I want to talk to you after the break about the news license that Trudeau has in Canada, and the courts ruled we don't get it.
I'd love to tell you that story.
Oh, wow.
A news license.
So they're saying you don't get your license?
We don't get a news license.
I'll tell you what that means.
Wow.
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What got you to Austin?
You know what?
I wanted to see how you were doing.
I was worried about the news.
I heard about the auction.
I wanted to talk to you about it.
Did you fly all the way here from Canada?
I did.
I am.
Wow.
We got to get to show the other shows.
You got to, wow.
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43 days, 12 hours, 26 minutes, 24 seconds.
The most important election in world history.
And then 76 days with President Trump being president-elect.
You know, a lot of people when they tried to kill Trump again a few weeks ago thought it was like entertainment, like we're watching a drama or a cop show or a thriller.
No, this is the real world.
And I've been on air over 30 years, 30 and a half years now.
And I like to sleep.
I usually sleep seven, eight hours, no problem.
I sleep like five hours now.
I jump out of bed because of the epicness of everything and the fact that good is rising, but evil is rising and just so much is happening.
You can see the fear in the globalist whole BlackRock, you know, big pharma system, but they're not giving up and they're doubling down.
And they've been pre-programming cyber attacks and power outages and terror attacks and just assassination attempts and just all of this insanity.
Baltimore, Ireland, and Slavery Raids00:04:37
And then people seem so focused only on their country.
People say, why do you care so much about Brazil?
Well, it's the sixth most populous country in the world.
Or why do you care about Canada?
Or why do you care about Australia?
Because we have the same enemy, the same programs, the same brainwashing, the same transgenderism, the same attacks that are going on because these big corporations want full control.
They want weak, stupid people.
And we just can't turn the world over to them.
And then we start having such success.
That makes me even more urgent because so many people that fight for liberty don't get to see the freedom in their lifetime.
And then later, you know, for a few generations, their actions have an effect.
We're seeing it in real time.
And in humanity struggling back so hard.
And General Flynn yesterday made the point that we have the initiative.
Humanity has the, and I'm on the air with Elon Musk in two plus hour interviews and others.
And Elon, call it Team Humanity.
Yes, Alex, we're on Team Humanity versus Team Demon.
I mean, this is epic, Ezra Levant.
You know, there's another reason to study other countries.
It's why I do it, is to see what's coming to hit us.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Give you an example from Ireland.
I was in Ireland a couple of years.
Oh, wow.
Talk about that.
There's a small village named Dundrum, but the most beautiful place I've ever been to in my life.
Oh, I'm not Irish, but I wish I was just to be there.
200 people in Dundrum.
The government announced to them, told them, didn't ask them, we're bringing 280 migrants to your town of 200 people immediately in one fell swoop, making the Irish a minority in their own community.
Can you imagine?
These are military-aged men, single men.
With no job, no future.
And they're fake refugees.
No one is a refugee in Ireland.
They make their way across Europe, cross the channel into the UK, go into Northern Ireland, and then walk across the border, shredding their passports.
They get free everything.
And the Irish government, for some weird reason, has this policy of overwhelming local communities.
Well, it's replacement migration.
They did the same thing in Germany, everywhere.
You know, the word replacement migration, you know, the left is trying to demonize that as a conspiracy theory.
There is a United Nations study 20 years ago called Replacement Migration.
2000.
It's their own study.
It's their own thesis.
But it's crazy to see that.
And this whole thing in Springfield, Ohio felt a little bit like that dundrum situation.
Why are you overwhelming a local community?
Absolutely upping.
Well, you take them over because then the government funds come in.
Now you have a group that never gets a job.
80 plus percent of the migrants don't in Europe.
And then now that's a per, it's a takeover.
You know, and where do you put 280 migrants in a village of 200?
Well, there's this beautiful country hotel, golf club.
It was like the community center.
Everyone had their weddings and events there.
They cut a deal with that guy.
And the deal is secret.
We don't know how much money.
We don't know how long it's for.
Suddenly, the whole center of the community, it was for cash.
It was just someone made a deal to house migrants there.
And Dundrum.
And it's the state departments of the different countries everywhere that are financing this with our tax money.
It's just crazy to see.
Ireland never colonized anybody.
Ireland doesn't have to apologize.
It's not, you know, it doesn't have to.
It's innocent of imperialism.
Yeah, in fact, I don't know if you know, let me tell you a quick story, but a village named Baltimore.
I don't know if you know the story of Baltimore.
Tell folks.
Ireland.
A couple hundred years ago, the entire village of Baltimore was raided by Islamic slave traders.
They sailed up to Baltimore, took every man, woman, child, and baby, kidnapped them, and took them back to Arabia as white slaves.
The entire town.
Guys, pull up the story.
I've read about this.
I forgot about it, of Baltimore, Ireland and slavery.
People don't know that slavery's been around forever, but the Atlantic slave trade, all that was picked up from the Muslims.
The Moors invaded Spain and other areas to get more slaves, and they brought them all over.
North Africa, all over the Middle East, and even shipped them out to Islamic countries as far away as Indonesia.
I mean, this is an ongoing thing, but where is that on the news?
Most people don't even know.
Tell people more about Baltimore, Ireland.
More people were captured by these Islamic slave raids than were African slaves sent to North America.
That's a fact, just in terms of sheer numbers.
And I guess the reason I mentioned that is Ireland has been sort of resisting bad things for centuries, and now they just sort of throw open the doors.
I just find it astonishing and to see how the immigration issue is wedded to the censorship issue.
I'm going to read this to TBR.
Yeah, there it is.
Amish Tech Resistance00:12:59
Sorry to interrupt.
If you type in Baltimore, Ireland slavery, it says in 1861, the village of Baltimore in West Cork, Ireland was raided by pirates of Turkish soldiers, resulting in the capture and enslavement of all of its residents.
The sack of Baltimore on Wikipedia, we can show it there.
I mean, but no one knows about that because only white people were ever involved in slavery in history.
Sorry to interrupt you.
Go ahead.
You know the Battle Hymn of the Republic from the Halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli.
That's when the president at the time, who wrote our Constitution, will wrote our Bill of Rights, Declaration of Independence mainly.
That's when he sent the Marines.
I'm interrupting you.
And why did he send the Marines?
Because to stop this piracy and slave trade.
I mean, the slave trade was winding down by then.
I mean, but anyhow, Thomas Jefferson.
It's shocking to me.
You're right.
There was slavery in every continent in the world.
And yet somehow it's put around the necks of the UK and the U.S.
And I'm being obnoxious stealing your thunder.
It's not because I even want to go.
No, it's incredible.
I'm just backing up what you're saying.
This is all true.
But let me tell you what's going on in Canada because that I can report with first-hand observation.
Justin Trudeau, he's very unpopular right now, and he has it in his mind that he can fix that by censoring things.
He's brought in four different censorship laws.
C-11, which is law, gives him dominion over the NGOs.
And he ordered this years ago.
Yeah.
And he has the power to order companies like Facebook, Twitter, YouTube to boost or de-boost the algorithm to hide or promote media of his choice.
So that's a government censor bureau.
Yeah, that's C-11.
C-18 was he basically said to Facebook and Google, anytime you link to a Canadian news story, you got to pay them.
You got to pay to link to someone.
Facebook said, no thanks.
We get out of the news business.
Google is forking over $100 million a year.
That gets parceled out to approved journalists.
I'll tell you about that in about 30 seconds.
There's a bill in parliament right now called C63.
Includes a life imprison sentence for standalone hate crimes.
Includes you can be liable for anything on your social media going back to any, as far as in time, there's no statute of limitations.
As long as you have the power to delete it today, you're on the hook.
So they can complain not just for what you're doing now.
They can work their way back through your historical oeuvre, your portfolio of issues, and file a complaint.
And every complaint that you get hit with is a $20,000 bounty to the complainant.
So what they're doing is they're opening up something called the Canadian Human Rights Commission.
If there's anything in social media you don't like, you can complain about it to this Human Rights Commission.
Malice.
You don't even have to be the victim of the slur.
If you get the complaint adjudicated in your favor, you get a 20 grand bounty and the person has to pay up to 50 grand to the government.
Well, they're incentivizing going and being someone that complains.
Wow.
And here's the last.
So I mentioned C11.
That's where they alter the algorithm to boost or throttle their friends and enemies.
I mentioned C18, where they grab cash from the tech giants to pay off their friends.
I mentioned C63, which has this bounty on hurt words.
But the last one is something that we're facing right now.
Trudeau has created a news license, a journalism license.
He calls it the QCJO, Qualified Canadian Journalism Organization.
And the government determines whether or not you get that.
Now, if you don't get that, you're still allowed to publish a website, but it's a credential you're denied, so you can't go to government press conferences.
They won't let us in.
You don't get any of the dough that's being handed out.
$30,000 per journalist is the average subsidy in Canada.
Now, we wouldn't take that, but that's another thing we're being denied.
But here's what terrifies me.
If you're not a QCJO news license news outfit, and you would never be, and we're not.
Well, guess what Trudeau can say to the tech companies?
He would never say ban Infowars.
He would never say ban rebel news.
He would just say, hey, big tech companies, boost the quality journalism and throttle the fake news.
And I didn't mention the word rebel news, and I didn't mention the word Infowars, but the QCJO news license can tell you who's on which side.
And let's be clear, Google's been involved here and with the EU.
They're setting up similar systems.
Google wants this.
For some reason, I don't know why they like paying $100 million a year for Canadian journalists.
Maybe because it sort of makes them regulation proof of the public.
Well, because they're about management of information.
They're part of the deep state.
And this gets them off the hook because Trudeau is the guy who gets to determine who is and isn't a fake news.
And then Google and the tech companies just implemented it.
So how do we get rid of Trudeau?
Because, I mean, he only got like, what, 20% of the vote or something?
Yeah.
And right now in the polls, he's so far behind.
Well, explain to people that don't live in a parliamentary system how that happens.
Well, we don't elect our prime minister directly like you elect your president directly.
The prime minister is basically the guy who commands the most seats in our legislature.
It would be like you vote for your Congress and then whichever team has the most seats, their leader becomes president.
That's our system.
And Trudeau does not have a majority.
He only has a minority of the seats, but there's a socialist party that supports him.
There's a Quebec socialist separatist party that supports him.
So he can cobble together a working majority.
He's so low in the polls.
He's so hated.
But these socialist parties back him up.
He's probably got one more year.
He can choose the timing of election.
That's another wrinkle in the state.
How do you guys get in and reverse all this?
Well, there is a Conservative Party leader in Canada who's, I have to say, is pretty good.
He, for example, he's banned any of his people from going to the World Economic Forum.
He says no one in my government will go to the World Economic Forum.
And they've demonized him for me just saying nice things.
Yeah.
And he's starting to talk about immigration now, which used to be verboten in Canada.
Canada's gone absolutely nuts.
We have 1 million international students with visas in Canada.
There's not even a million Canadian students in college.
Like, it's just, you can feel it just in the country.
I think we have proportionally more mass migration than you do.
So Pierre Polyev is the name of this conservative leader.
I'm hopeful.
Again, everybody that thinks of things as countries being separate, it's not.
I mean, it's, but the good news is people like Klaus Schwab has to at least not be the head of the WF anymore.
He's so unpopular.
Bill Gates is hated.
You've got Zuckerberg coming out and saying, I'm not going to be political anymore, which isn't true, but at least he's not being openly pro-leftist and hoping steal the election.
We're really seeing, you know, like you said, Zelensky coming over and kind of tipping the hat to Trump.
They can see the writing on the wall.
That's why they're trying to kill Trump because they know we're winning if they don't kill him.
No, they're at least hedging.
They still want to defeat him, but they're placing their back.
Don't think Zuckerberg for one second is actually for freedom.
He's trying to rebrand himself.
And he's doing a good job just in terms of images, but it's the substance accounts.
He was, he, like I say, he is censoring like a vicious taskmaster in Brazil.
Bolsonaro organized on WhatsApp, which is that meta platform.
Yes.
And it was Zuckerberg who basically, and same thing in France.
Zuckerberg stopped Le Pen from winning in France.
Zuckerberg stopped Bolsonaro's reelection in Brazil.
I blame them.
They're a meddler.
People at that level, Alex, they regard countries as playthings.
They're really not much different than Soros.
They regard politicians as things that, you know, if you follow Alex Soros on Twitter and Instagram.
Now tell most about him.
I recommend you do.
That's the son of Astros.
And you'll never see a video clip of him.
I don't know if you guys can find one.
It's very rare to find a video clip of him because when you listen to the guy, he's, yeah, he can't.
I don't know if it's a speech impediment or if he's genuinely dumb.
I don't think he's dumb because I see him with every, not just every Democrat.
He's hanging out with Kamala Harris and every top Democrat.
Every politician in the world.
Tampon Tim.
He collects politicians around the world.
His father was behind the color revolutions in Europe.
So they don't believe they're bound by citizenship.
They don't believe in borders.
They are above all that.
And the leaders of Google and Facebook are the same way, Alex.
It's a messiah complex.
It's a God complex.
It's, I've done everything else in the world.
Now what can I do but have the world bend to my will?
That's what's scary.
What are they going to do though as opposition keeps rising?
What's happening?
Well, if every source of information is filtered through an algorithm before it comes out of your phone, you don't even know what world you're living in.
Let me give you a super quick example from Canada.
Oh, boy, Alex, you're going to find this a crazy story.
You know what the Amish are, right?
They're old Christian farmers.
They reject modernity.
They don't even have electricity.
They don't drive cars.
Well, there's a bunch of Amish in Canada.
And Trudeau, during the lockdowns, brought in an app, a smartphone app you had to download coming in and out of the country.
You had to disclose your COVID jab status.
You had to download an app and fill it out.
And if you didn't, there was a $6,000 fine.
Okay, so these Amish are going back and forth across the border from Canada to the States because they got family in other communities.
Every time they come across the border, the Trudeau's border police say, did you download the app on your smartphone?
That's the canary in the coal mine for the global social credit score.
They're going to try to make us all have.
That's right, but the stoppers say, these are folks who don't have phones.
They don't have cars.
Not electricity.
And they say, what are you talking about?
So every time they would come across the border, they'd get a $6,000 fine.
Now, they didn't know what it was for.
And so they just sort of ignored it.
This one community had $300,000 or $400,000 worth of COVID fines for not downloading the app.
One of these Amish goes to the bank to get a loan to buy cattle.
The banker says, sorry, old man, I can't do that.
You got a lien on your farm.
Turns out the Trudeau government prosecuted those fines, didn't collect, slapped every Amish farmhouse with a lien.
Evil.
But I went out to visit these farmers and I asked them about COVID.
They didn't, they barely knew what I was talking about.
You know why, Alex?
Because they weren't on their smartphones.
They weren't watching CNN.
They weren't listening to me.
So the answer to the AI false reality is being like the Amish.
Well, I mean, I wouldn't want to live like the Amish, but it was amazing to the COVID thing was a nothing to them because if you didn't have, if you weren't as wired in as you are.
Well, they don't even have autism, basically.
And the idea of wearing a mask was absurd to them.
The mask was a flag to keep you scared and to show which side you were on.
If there were no masks and you didn't have social media, you would not have known that COVID was a thing.
The Amish didn't know that COVID was a thing.
And if there's some way we can break out of that matrix and stay in reality, but it's hard because boy, that's another thing, the UN treaty, they couldn't get it through, but they still declared an emergency with monkeypox, even though that's only a thing that homosexuals get.
I was in Geneva when they tried to negotiate this latest pandemic treaty.
Every single public health officer in the world, they didn't get laid off after COVID.
COVID was their bumper crop.
But they're all still working at it.
Well, you and I have moved on to other things.
They're beavering away.
And the fact that they failed to get the deal they wanted, they'll come back next year.
Well, have you seen Hotez and Tedros and Eric Schmidt of all people saying we need to use the UN and NATO to censor everyone now ahead of the next pandemic?
Well, that's who's funding a lot of these so-called fact checkers.
They get government grants, military grants.
I don't know if you heard of NewsGuard.
I'm sure you have.
I'm sure you've done a lot of work on NewsGuard.
Big military contracts.
No wonder they censor basically according to your political views.
They censor us up in Canada.
Ezra, I just need listeners to understand.
I know they know this.
This is not your show, my show.
What we do is not just, it's not entertainment.
And I know people consciously get that, but it has to really sink in that we're living in an incredible time right now.
You say it's not entertainment.
You've got to get people's attention before they're going to listen to you.
And an entertaining style and good story.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, we try to add it.
And I get it.
And you're the master.
I don't know about that.
I used to be a lot funnier.
Things are so serious now.
People are like, people confuse your storytelling panache with a lack of substance.
I think you're one of the best read people I know.
I'm just look at the table here.
And I know, because whenever I'm on your show, you make gentle corrections when I get something just slightly.
No, you correct me, Colin.
No, no, no, because you've got, but I'm saying there's a depth to it.
And that's why when you go on Joe Rogan and went on Joe Rogan and had the debate, I mean, the guy in good faith was trying to fact check you in real time.
You had your answers.
And the thing is, the other side, they're just repeating message tracks.
They have like a very shallow depth on any issue.
Two men can have a baby.
Protests and Persona00:04:16
If you take the COVID shot, you're protected.
It's all lies.
And they've never been pressed on it.
You ask the ordinary normie a question.
They'll have a set message recording that they heard.
But if you press them to go deeper, they can't.
And it's the same thing with protests.
I've been at 100 protests in my life.
When I go to protests on the right, like the trucker convoy in Canada, you ask people, why are you here?
Okay, you better get ready for a half hour lecture.
You're going to hear.
When I was in Brazil, you saw I was asked.
Very smart, but informed.
But you go to many protests on the left.
They always say, I can't talk, talk to the spokesperson.
And they'll never talk.
They do that because they're obedient, but they also do that because they don't actually know why they're there.
They were told to be there.
They just, I'm good because I'm holding a communist flag.
Or I'm getting paid to be here.
The left pays protesters all the time.
AstroTurf.
Yeah.
It is interesting times, but I think we can still win.
I'm still hopeful.
I remember a couple of years ago, I said to you that something I was really hoping for was those Hong Kong students that were having the protests.
Remember in 2019?
Yes.
I was here and I said, don't, it's not bad news everywhere.
Look at the, well, then they were crushed.
Crushed, jailed, and civil liberties have been wiped out in that city, Hong Kong.
That was one thing I was hanging on to into 2019 was those guys.
But I actually think that Trump's renaissance and Elon Musk reviving people who were canceled, that's reason for, if you ask me for the number one reason to be hopeful today, it's that people have been brought back from the literal social media dead.
Tommy Robinson in the UK, he was persona, he was written out, persona non grata.
He's got an enormous following and they're going to try and well, I think the story is the globalists think they can, the evil corporate forces think they can take over if they punish the leaders.
But as long as the people keep celebrating the leaders and supporting them, then it only makes us more successful and we can win.
But look at Tommy.
They want to put him in prison now for his speech when he comes back to the UK.
And I've told him, don't go back.
Well, he's got the UK in his blood.
He just won't stay away.
I know he's going to go back and face the music.
And for each contempt charge, there's possible two years in prison for him.
And that's for playing a movie.
It's not for any violent activity.
It's for him exposing he was set up by the court.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So what do you think would have happened?
It's a horrible question, but it's important if Trump would have been killed in Butler or in Mar-Lago.
Well, the first thing I think a lot of people would have been demoralized and would have just withdrawn from public life.
And I think the energy and the spark of America would have flickered.
I think some people would have had an overreaction that made things worse, but I don't know what the path forward is.
I mean, I like JD Vance and all, but he's not Trump.
It's Trump the world wants and needs.
I don't know what would have happened.
It's a terrifying thought because he really is a unique person.
I don't even want to, that's why my heart pounded so hard when I first saw that.
I don't know.
I mean, you would know better than me.
I'm worried what would happen.
I mean, when Kennedy was killed, that demoralized America for a generation.
That sort of, I don't know.
I don't even want to contemplate it, Alex.
You would know the answer anyways.
Well, I don't know the exact answer.
I believe they were going to stage false flags and blame it on angry Trump supporters.
I believe at the time they were thinking about killing Biden, saying a terrorist did it.
That way to put Kamala in, but instead they just grabbed him from Las Vegas and flew him to Delaware where he disappeared for eight days.
I mean, we have a coup already in place, and now they're talking about a coup against all of our liberties out of desperation.
We are not in the normal political system right now, and I just continue to put out the urgency, but God's hand was on Trump.
And I agree, some would have become demoralized.
Others would have just become more stalwart in what's happening.
But the left knows how to take over institutions.
And we have to peacefully, through the process, take them over, but also support new institutions.
And that's why in the information war, the globalists say the number one thing they're facing is disinformation.
That means people telling the truth.
So there's an old internet saying no one knows who first said it.
The propaganda would not be necessary if the situation was hopeless.
And so it's not hopeless.
Going Harder Against Globalists00:06:17
And I just go back to free speech, standing up, speaking out.
I mean, I flew to Upby with Tucker in Pennsylvania about a week and a half ago.
And I'm in the line and almost everybody's face scanning, even though it's voluntary.
And I probably shook 20 hands in the line.
And I said to people, I said, you don't have to do that.
You're going in a database.
And they said, oh, we love you.
You're right.
But they went ahead and did it.
And so, and then soon it'll be mandatory while the border's wide open.
Well, that's the thing.
Joining the Matrix is fun.
It's convenient.
It feels like a video game.
It's titillating.
It's never-ending.
It gets you dopamine.
It is an addiction.
And that's the thing that Orwell didn't count on.
He said the future is a boot stamping on a human head forever or something to that.
Ezra Levan, we've got the great talk show host and top trends forecaster, Gerald Salint, coming up.
Let's do five more minutes and finish up talking about rebel media.
Then in one hour, Owen Schroyer, the war room.
Stay with us.
We'll be right back.
Final segment with the owner of Rebel Media, Ezra Levan.
Ezra, I always love having you on.
This has been a great interview, but I started thinking about all of the exploits you guys have done and all the countless reports I see, like every few days.
It's just bombshell stuff.
Everybody sees your stuff, but they should all magnify it as well.
In closing, as soon as you leave today, and every time we have a big guest, I'm like, I didn't try to book you on Owen's show or the other show with Harrison Smith.
So hopefully, you know on Owens' show today as well.
And maybe play some of your greatest hits because they're so timeless.
But in closing, I think about the pastors and people that we've had on that you showed us being put in jail over and over again for opening their churches when the topless bars and Walmarts and hotels were still open, but churches weren't.
I mean, the left just goes out of its way to be so obvious.
And they're closing the other religious centers and places and beating people up in New York because they were out on the street without masks or closing synagogues or mosques.
I mean, it's just, and it's the same thing worldwide.
They really, it's like Trudeau said, he goes, I like basic dictatorship.
I like Xi Jinping.
I mean, these are real villains who aren't even hiding it now.
Yeah.
You know, it's been years since the pandemic receded, but in Canada, they're still prosecuting people.
Tamara Leach, the leader of the truckers, she's still on trial right now.
She hasn't had a 47-day trial.
They tried to turn the truckers into the people about that.
It's huge.
The Trucker Convoy was the most incredible movement in Canada.
Completely peaceful.
Trudeau tried to get a January 6th insurrection narrative.
He was trying to copycat the Democrats.
Didn't work, but they still had horses running over families.
Yeah.
In fact, the violence came from the government.
Trudeau declared martial law, something he didn't even do during 9-11.
So they arrested all these peaceful leaders.
They froze the bank accounts of 200 people involved in the truckers and family bank accounts.
So the wives couldn't buy groceries or medicine or rent for the kids.
Which is a preview of the future under the social credit score.
Absolutely.
And it was just, and when later they were asked, how did you come up with the list?
Oh, just in the media.
Like they just read in the media, oh, this is the name of some guy.
Like it was, not that there would be any proper science behind it, but it was just an enemy of the regime.
You know what we did?
We were scared they were going to freeze our bank accounts because we didn't give money to truckers directly, but we gave money to lawyers to help the truckers.
So we prepaid our whole staff a month's pay and we sort of squirreled away the rest of the dough because we were worried they were going to shut us down because they hated the counter narrative.
The entire regime media was saying, go harder, go harder.
And everything that bad guys need worldwide, they're all part of the WF thing.
We penetrate the cabinets, is that we don't have a voice.
So it's voice, voice, voice.
So they threw the leader of the truckers in jail for 49 days.
I remember.
He's a little Metis grandma, you know, the sweetest person.
I mean, that's not as bad as these J Sixers, but they were trying to do that thing.
They put her on a 47-day trial, hasn't even got the result yet.
The Christian leader, Arthur Pavlovsky, I think you've had him on the show before.
He's got that Polish accent.
He says, Nazis out.
He's still before the courts, too.
They convicted him of giving a sermon in support of the truckers, a sermon.
They call that incitement to mischief.
That's still before the courts.
So it's lawfare, similar to what you're going to do 12 years' worth of law fair.
These Canadian cases aren't quite as bad, but it's the same species.
It's like what they're doing to Trump, and they're going to come for Elon Musk next.
I mean, they're already doing that through the, you know, these bogus charges against SpaceX.
I'm worried the left is relentless.
They are relentless, and this is what they do for a living.
Absolutely.
You know, again, I have faith, and I agree with General Flynn here today.
I see a global awakening, and I see people everywhere coming together, and I see nationalists and populists getting elected just like we saw in Austria.
And so, but we don't have a question of it.
We have to stand up.
We have to take civilization back.
And the enemies of freedom got a head start on us because people were asleep.
We were in freedom.
We thought everything was okay.
Couldn't have an ear.
But now we're discovering those old instincts of freedom.
Again, I think we're going to win.
Thanks to you and your great team, Ezra Levant.
You got so many great reporters, so many great people.
Well, you're nice to see it.
We love citizen journalism, and we're always happy to share our footage.
And I hope to see you in Davos one day because you would be the king of that town.
Oh, well, I'm always getting pinned down.
I'd love to go show.
You know what?
I'm intending to go with you.
All right.
Oh, Tucker wants me to go on tour with him in Europe.
Oh, wow.
That's next summer.
But hopefully, we're not in World War III.
That's right.
All right.
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And so we will definitely talk about that.
Media Blackout Battle00:15:32
But I couldn't help when I was watching you on the Alex Jones show earlier and then seeing the reporting you did in Brazil.
I couldn't help but be fascinated by that.
And for people that haven't been to Brazil or kind of studied the geopolitics, Brazil kind of gets overlooked in the geopolitical conversation.
They kind of get overlooked as what I think should be our number one ally in the United States of America, the resources, the people.
And you can just walk around at a rally and people speak English.
Portuguese is their native tongue.
People speak English down there.
So, I mean, it's just, it's a sad thing to see what's going on.
So, just kind of talk about your experience.
It was your first time there.
Talk about your experience in Brazil, the events that you were at, and just what it was like to hear from the people.
Sure.
I had never been to Brazil before, but I was watching out of the corner of my eye the fight between Elon Musk of Twitter and the president down there, the authoritarian socialist president named Lula, but even more so Lula.
He spent time in prison for political corruption, by the way.
That's right.
And he's back in now, having beat Yair Bolsonaro, who was more Trump-like.
There's some questions about the fairness of that election.
But Lula has a right-hand man named Alexander DeMaurais, who's a hunter-killer judge.
He dresses absurdly.
It's crazy.
So does the leader, so does the speaker of your parliament kind of dresses a little crazy too.
So, I mean, I'm just saying, it's a very similar thing.
They got the cake going on, but he owns it.
He like flaps the cape around.
I'm surprised he doesn't pull out a wand and like do a curse next.
You know, I was at this huge protest, and I and I saw that the thing about Elon Musk is he acts like he's a pundit or a talk show host.
Like he just says what's on his mind, even if it's rude, even if it's suggestive.
He doesn't care.
That's one of my favorite things about him is he doesn't take himself too seriously.
So the sparring with DeMaurays, this judge, because what happened just super quick is this judge would order certain people to be banned from Twitter.
A judge?
What's your business?
And the thing is, he ordered it done, but he ordered it to be done in secret.
So these political opponents or journalists of Lula would be silenced, and Twitter was told, you're not allowed to explain anything.
You're not allowed to say we ordered you.
That's contrary to Brazilian law, according to Twitter.
So you saw this battle and Elon Musk just getting in there.
And so they banned, because Elon Musk refused to comply.
DeMares banned the entire app from the entire country.
20 million users were banned.
By the way, not a peep from the American media about this.
I don't even know if I heard anything from a single congressman or woman about this.
And that's not it.
That's not all.
DeMaurais and Lula were so angry at Twitter and Elon Musk that they took it out on the other Elon Musk company, Starlink, the internet that specializes in rural places because it's satellite internet.
So they started seizing Starlink assets, totally different company.
Elon Musk.
Total authoritarianism.
And where's the U.S. trade representatives standing up to that?
I mentioned that to Alex today.
They're making sure Soros can buy 200 radio stations.
So I heard there was going to be a big free speech rally.
And look, I go to rallies.
I get a kick out of it.
I know you do too.
But I rally for an ideal for freedom of speech.
I thought, really?
I wanted to check it out with myself.
And I wanted to see if real life was like Twitter.
Because on Twitter, Elon Musk and this DeMore said it was fun theater.
But what's it like with real people?
Did real people, were they engaged?
Went down there, flew 10 hours straight from Toronto down to Sao Paulo, huge city, 20 million souls.
There were 200,000 people at least in that protest.
I had never been in the middle of a 200,000 person protest in my life.
It was amazing.
It had a festival feeling.
There were even people dressed up as that shaved head judge, DeMores, like they were impersonating.
He's Voldemort.
Oh, it was incredible.
And people really were, I asked them, why are you here?
And the number one answer every time was freedom.
It was real.
I thought, gee, I've gone halfway across.
Did you bring a translator with you?
No, but we found someone pretty quickly in the crowd who sort of appointed himself interpreter because he wanted us to connect better with people.
And we had some translation back home.
So we managed to, it was a little tougher than it sounds like you had some ease.
I'd say.
Well, I went to Rio.
I spent most of my time in Rio.
I spent a little time in Sao Paulo and Curitiba.
Rio is the tourist area.
So they're more inclined to learn English there because more people are coming in and touring there.
But, I mean, if you can't find somebody that speaks English, you'll find somebody that says, hey, I'll help you.
That's what happened to us.
And I'm really glad I was there because I didn't see any other English-speaking media cover this.
I got to tell you, 200,000 people.
Media blackout here.
If it wasn't for your coverage, I wouldn't have heard of it.
I was really glad to be there.
There was one American named Schellenberger.
You know who I'm talking about?
Michael Schellenberger.
Yeah, he's a good egg.
And I think he's affiliated with Twitter in some way.
He definitely was working with Musk to expose some of the Twitter files.
Yeah, so I saw him there, but I don't think I saw another American.
And I didn't, even though you got CNN down there, in fact, CNN's headquarters was like two blocks away from the epicenter of this massive protest.
I didn't see anything on CNN.
I feel like there was a news blackout on this.
100%.
And I talked to people there.
I have to use a VPN.
I'd never used a VPN on my cell phone before.
I just, maybe I should, but I never did.
Because if that story gets crazier, I mentioned how this judge, DeMarais, was banning individual people.
And when Elon Musk wouldn't comply, he just banned every single Brazilian.
And people started using VPNs to get around the block.
But then they brought in a huge fine of about 10,000 bucks American if you're caught using a VPN.
I was a little nervous because I was.
You don't have to incriminate yourself here.
Well, I announced it when I was down there once I was through.
But that's a don't tread on me for, did I see a don't tread on me flag in there?
You know what?
There were some great flags.
And I don't know whose footage this is, but it was amazing.
It was, oh, this is great footage.
This is someone who was standing.
Yeah, that first, guys, that first shot zoomed in on the other side.
I could have sworn I saw a don't tread on me flag.
There were some fun ones, some homemade ones.
A lot of Elon Musk.
So this went a mile in each direction.
Whoever filmed this was standing on the stage.
Wow.
Yeah, I really enjoyed looking at those flags.
And I saw the odd American flag in there.
I saw a lot of Elon Musk signs.
And that sort of surprised me.
And I talked to some folks.
I played the clip when I was on Alex's show.
Everyone was sort of saying, Elon Musk, please help us.
They realize they need a heavyweight like that.
Now, we've been praising the guy, and I think Elon Musk deserves a lot of praise.
I think he's the number one global force for free speech right now.
My God, a lot rests on that man's shoulders.
You only do so much.
Well, and when you talk about a media blackout, of course, there's a media blackout.
Where am I going to find this footage?
I'm going to find it on X, which is banned in Brazil.
Where am I going to find this footage?
I'm going to find it on Rebel News.
I'm going to find it on Infowars, which gets mass censorship.
The corporate news media pretty much all works together to either highlight or cover what they want or not cover, you know, blackout what they want.
So absolutely media blackout on this.
And the fact that you can't even get it on X from Brazil, like these people have to break the law for you to see that.
Yeah.
And so some people are breaking the law, but you know what?
It's not the easiest, simplest thing in the world.
Of course, you know what, though, we should, they're not breaking the law.
The government is breaking the law, not letting them share it.
Right.
But between the people being afraid of that and it's a couple of extra hurdles and okay, I got to download a VPN and how do I do that for some people?
It's a barrier.
So it's going from 20 million active users.
I'm guessing there's less than a million now.
So, so, and by the way, um, they're obviously having the same orders for Facebook, Instagram, and other apps.
Just those companies are complying.
You know, I think if I look around the world, who are the free speech champions?
I think Elon Musk definitely head and shoulders number one.
You know who I think is making a bit of a difference to JK Rowling.
Because she's focused mainly on one issue of transgender extremism because she's come out against men in women's spaces, which is what a lot of transgenderism is.
And she's from the UK, and the UK has really been tilting towards censorship.
Scotland, Ireland, UK, they've all been introducing what they call the Online Harms Act.
Yeah, they'll show up with police officers at your door.
And so she has basically said, anyone says anything they're charged with about transgenderism, I'll restate it.
Come and get me.
Now that, if you're a billionaire with a huge public presence, high profile.
I mean, you're daring the cop.
And could you imagine being the cop that goes to her mansion and tries to arrest her?
She's perp walks her down into a car.
And I think she's very brave in her own way.
I think Elon Musk is probably the bravest.
He's got a lot of pressure points.
He's got a lot to lose.
I'm worried that they'll try and Donald Trump him, try and Alex Jones him.
By that, I mean lawfare the guy to death.
I mean, I don't know.
Well, they already are.
Yeah.
I mean, in many ways, they already are.
Their BS complaints about, you know, his rocket paperwork.
Yeah, he's got like ethnic complaints, FCC, FEC.
He's got all these different groups up his ass.
You know, he, I don't know if you ever read Ayn Rand's book, Atlas Shrugged.
I read that when that was a little bit.
Oh, it's only like, what, 20,000 pages?
Yeah, it's pretty long.
But you know what?
She talked about this protein figure that carries the burden of the world on his shoulders and is an inventor and an industrialist and an entrepreneur.
She was talking about Elon Musk, a man who by sheer will forces things to get done when everyone says you can't.
And he's such a wealth creator.
I know I'm sounding like I'm gaga for him, but he is, if he wasn't there, Alex Jones would still be deplatformed.
Tucker Carlson would have a fraction of his platform.
How many people did Jones, sorry, did Elon Musk bring back from the dad Twitter once?
I would have been completely wiped out.
In fact, it might have even been, maybe it was this week or last week.
Officially, I'd been back on X for a year.
I've been able to gain almost a quarter million followers.
And so I wouldn't have any of that.
I wouldn't be able to have any of this reach.
There's a lot of videos from InfoWars or myself that we're just kind of reposting there.
People are like, oh my gosh, I've never seen this.
So, I mean, they do the censorship because it works.
It is effective.
It does work.
And it makes groups like Rebel News or Infowars have to fight that much harder to get our coverage out there, to get our videos out there, to get these reports.
And it's so good that you're here after your trip to Brazil because people would have never seen that.
They wouldn't have known.
The people in Brazil are crying for freedom.
They're begging.
And the thing is, they've passed a law down there that Bolsonaro can't run again.
I mean, again, this is some ruling.
Like what they're trying to do to Trump.
It's so similar.
By the way, they tried to kill Bolzonaro too, stabbed him in the streets.
And he lost half his blood.
It was terrifying.
That's the left for you, absolutely without compunction.
I hate to say they know assassination works.
It has changed the course of history time and again, and they are trying to do that to Trump.
And it scares me even as a foreigner.
I'm a Canadian.
I don't have literal skin in the game because I'm not part of the election.
But let me tell you, everyone around the world is looking at America for this election.
You don't think, I mean, look at Zelensky.
He met with Trump because he knows what happens in America on November 5th will affect China, Russia, Ukraine, the entire Middle East.
Is there a country in the world that won't be affected by Trump?
I mean, Netanyahu basically gave a middle finger to Biden Harris and begged to go meet with Trump.
I think that I don't think Netanyahu would have done what he's done the last week, were he not thinking, you know what, to heck with it?
I'm betting on Trump.
I just like, I don't think he would have done this if he didn't think a prospect of Trump winning.
Well, Trump, in a way, did say, hey, look, if you're going to do it, do it fast.
Yeah.
And then, you know, we've seen what has followed.
But, you know, you think about, again, you go down to Brazil, you cover this.
It's a total media blackout.
It's this uphill battle to get this information.
And you talk about, hey, they use censorship.
Hey, they use lawfare.
Hey, they use assassination.
All of this is history repeating itself.
I don't claim to be some big history buff.
I'm still kind of learning as I go, just because I came up in a sports matrix, whatever, that was my thing.
So I'm kind of still reading history, learning history from people that are more knowledgeable.
But it all points to the same thing.
History repeats itself.
The left's tactics have never changed.
The political left tactics, there's different brands and there's different little channels and there's different little means and different little mechanisms, but it's all the same.
The political left believes bigger government, government control, the individual cannot be in control.
The political right is smaller government, self-government.
The individual determines its own fate.
I mean, that is, if you can put these two things in a box in a nutshell, that's it.
One believes in government, one believes in self-government.
And the left always has to do the same thing when they, because most people want freedom.
Most people want to choose for themselves.
So what does the left do?
First, they do the censorship.
Then they do the lawfare.
Then they try to kill you.
This is just history repeating itself.
I'm not sure how closely you follow Dr. James Lindsay or Shee Van Fleet.
Lindsay has convinced me to use the word communist.
I never really did because I thought it sounded over the top or I thought, well, are they really a communist?
A lot of the tactic, even the language, Kamala Harris, what can be unburdened by the past is in zero out history, start from year one, forget the four olds.
That is communist phraseology.
And, you know, it's modern communism.
And I think we have to call it out.
They certainly call us fascists.
I think that's baseless.
Let me say one more thing before I forget about it on the Twitter side.
I think one of the greatest innovations is community notes.
And why would I focus on that?
Because when else could you ever force a retraction or force a correction on a regime media outlet?
You couldn't.
Especially if they knew they were wrong, what could you do?
Pound send.
You could write a letter to the editor that you would ignore it.
Now in this public forum, you can tag an editor's note effectively on the bottom of a regime media lie.
And I think community notes are the best part of Twitter.
And it's actually caused some regime media to occasionally delete some posts and correct them.
And that offends the communist notion of controlling the media.
I mean, if you look at Trotsky, one of his famous speeches was, we need a newspaper.
What was the first move of communist revolutionaries?
Take command of the radio station or then the TV station.
The communists know the importance of controlling communication, and surely we should know it, therefore, and know the importance of citizen journalism.
Controlling The Narrative00:10:22
That's why the war against Infowars is much more than just a court case, and it's much more than just a war on Alex Jones.
If you can set the precedent that you can silence and demolish a countervailing voice, you can do that.
If they can take on Infowars, it can take on any blogger, any sub-stacker, any YouTuber.
That's why even if people have a disagreement with Jones on this or that, they must rally to the defense of InfoWars.
It's the communist move to silence a minority dissonant opinion.
And they've shown that whatever they're going to do to Alex, they'll go on and do it.
Whatever they'll do to Infowars, they'll go on and do it to the next person, whether it's Rudy Giuliani or Clay Clark or Donald Trump.
I mean, the list just goes on and on and on down the list.
And I think this, you know, the most recent trial and maybe tribulation of Infowars is going to be just kind of the next test case.
It's like, okay, can we just shut you down?
Can we basically steal someone's identity in the public forum and say, we own your social media?
We're Alex Jones.
What are you going to start putting out Alex Jones?
Oh, I love globalism.
I love corporate government.
Yay, I'm voting Koala Harris from Alex Jones' Twitter account.
It's like, what are you planning on doing?
You know, there was a Roman concept, damnatio memoriae, if I'm saying that correctly.
Sometimes a new emperor would come and he would, that's Latin for condemn the memory, to damn the memory.
And every single law made by the old emperor would be repealed.
Every sculpture or statue of him smashed.
Every painting or mosaic of his face would be defaced.
Damnatio memoriae.
And we don't know if it ever actually works because if it worked, we wouldn't know that the person was eliminated.
It was the ancient version of the Stalinist retouching of a photograph to eliminate people.
They are not just trying to silence Alex Jones going forward.
They're trying to condemn the memory of him, to erase the mosaics, to smash it.
I fear that someone like Alex Soros, for whom money is nothing, this is my, maybe I shouldn't say this fear out loud, but I'm sure he's thought of it, that he comes in, God forbid, and outbids a conservative and takes the asset and pulverizes it and destroys it to try to condemn the memory, to erase Infowars from the history.
I don't agree with everything Infowars says.
No two people agree on husband and wife.
We're not in a cult.
It's not what it's about.
It's about silent.
And you know, you know, I mean, they pretty much have said that that's a plan.
I mean, we'll see if they go through with it.
But Media Matters published the story that, yeah, they'll consider doing that.
Well, and for them, I mean, look at all the fake money that would prop up left-wing fake clickbait sites.
I mean, even Vice itself.
Was that ever a legitimate investment?
Or that left-wing VCs laundering money, taking some losses, but pumping up a pro-Democrat narrative for five or 10 years.
Well, that's exactly what it is.
They buy the Washington Post.
It doesn't make any money.
The Los Angeles Times hemorrhages money.
George Soros just bought 200 radio stations.
I bet you, if not all, most were probably running in the red for years.
So it's not even about money.
Like you said, it's about power.
It's about mass communication.
It's about getting the propaganda out there.
And so then it's like people look around, same reason why they want to probably get rid of X. People look around, they see the same messaging everywhere.
They just seem, they just assume, oh, this is real.
This must be reality.
You know, I'm sure you're familiar with the Ash conformity test.
Solomon Ash professor in the 60s.
It's related to the Milgram experiment.
You know, the one where the line is convinced people to give a shock to someone in the other room or hollers, it's actually an actor.
But if someone's wearing a white lab coat and a clipboard and saying you must give them a shock, it was startling how many people would deliver that pain because someone looking authoritative said so.
There was sort of a sister experiment to that called the Ash ASTH conformity test.
And what it was, a bunch of people in a row, they were shown two cards.
On this one, there was one line.
On this one, there were three lines.
And it was a child's test.
Which of these three lines is the same length as this one?
Like a child could answer it.
And they would all have to give their answers out loud.
Line two, three, three, three, three.
Isn't that just insane?
But then here's what happened.
Here's the interesting part.
Five out of the six people in the test were actually in on it.
There was only one naive person.
And so on cue, the people who were in on it would all give the wrong answer together.
They would say, which one is the same length?
And they would all say one, one, one, one.
And they would get to the naive person.
What would he say?
Would he speak the truth and say, no, it's two.
Was it by like the third or fourth one he always went along with the lie?
30 odd period.
Yeah, this is it right here.
You could see it on the screen.
And I don't know if you got time to play this sound up, but it's such an incredible thing.
No, it really is.
Peer pressure.
You see the lines there?
And so they would all say it out loud.
And soon the one naive person would go along with it.
And they said for one of two reasons.
Either, number one, well, maybe they're right and I'm wrong.
Maybe I just couldn't see it right.
But much of the time it was, well, I know they're wrong.
I know I'm right.
But I don't want to make a fuss.
I don't want to be the odd man out.
I don't want to stink up the joint.
I'm going to go along with the mob, even though I know it's wrong.
The ash conformity test, these are American people or British people conforming for the sake of conformity.
Here's the lesson, though.
And this is the Rebel News lesson and it's the Infowars lesson.
There was a variation on the Ash conformity test.
If there was one other person who spoke the truth, just one other person, then the compliance of the naive person fell to 5%.
What I'm saying is if you know you're not alone, if you know there's just one other person calling out truth and lies, then the peer pressure compliance fades away because you know you're not alone.
You know you're not crazy.
During the lockdowns, during the COVID crisis and the civil liberties bonfire, it was terrible in Canada, not quite as bad in America.
We had no Ron DeSantis during the lockdowns.
Everyone was in on it.
Every media, every college of physicians and surgeons.
There was no one being the contrarian, except for Rebel News, except for the InfoWars of the world.
That's our role, to allow people to think for themselves by letting them know they're not alone.
Well, we're up against a break.
I want to continue this conversation because, and maybe some stories from you, but I can tell stories forever about exactly what you just said.
People tune into this.
They say, wow, I thought I was alone until I heard this.
And now they tune in every day.
So it's such a great point.
All right.
So we're talking about the power of propaganda.
And I mean, to me, the conformity test experiment is the most powerful way to show.
And we were kind of getting into how they've done this throughout time, really, of how they've convinced the masses and kind of used our own instincts against us, if you will, where you can clearly see that line B is two times longer than line A and C, but the others in the controlled experiment said that A was the longest, and so therefore it must be A.
So now by the third round, I'm going to say it's A.
And it's, and it's just, oh, we're going to go along with the pack.
And the other thing we were getting into, and we can go back into how, you know, one person stands up and then it's more likely the second person was going to stand up.
But it's like dealing, let's say with the mass psychosis during COVID with the masks and the vaccines.
They get somebody in a lab coat.
They get somebody dressed up like a doctor.
You know, maybe they even have their stethoscope right there, whatever it is.
And it's just, oh, well, this person knows this person is a doctor.
And so they've been using it, whether it's the guy on TV in the suit and tie and the perfect hair and the perfect makeup, or it's the king with his big giant crown and the queen and her scepter and everything.
It's all this illusion of, oh, this is what a person in position of authority looks like.
So then I have to go along with it.
Part of that is the result of centuries of a high trust society.
We've come to trust doctors not by accident, but because they actually over the years have helped us and have cured us and we're generally doing the right thing.
But who has co-opted that?
Well, on the one hand, I mean, Pfizer itself would pay doctors a fee or health HMOs would pay a fee for how many people got the jab.
The government did the same thing.
So what happened is people tried to hijack that trust that was built up over years or decades.
And there's a reason why there was a COVID lockdown.
The climate lockdowns haven't really worked because we don't trust.
I mean, weathermen were actually quite well trusted, but the activists who want to lock.
They just blew this recent hurricane coverage.
Yeah.
I think people, when they had their trust in authority shattered, when police started being more political, when doctors started being more political, we're losing the trust.
People are becoming omni-skeptics.
And, you know, you have to be.
But I sort of lament the passing of an era where we could have our guard down because it was sort of an idealistic time.
And another thing is we're bringing in an enormous number of people who come from low trust societies.
And I see this in Canada, the wildness in the crime, the taking advantage of social assistance.
They're doing, they're fishing the illegal fishing now, stopping the salmon and everything from getting upstream.
You know, and I just, it took maybe a millennia to build a high trust society.
Imagine a society where a young woman can walk for free, freely down the street.
And if you, if at night, and if she cries out, help, help, people will come to help.
Whereas in low trust societies, if a woman yells, help, help, other predators come to be a part of the wolf pack.
And it took us so long as a society to build up that trust.
And we are frittering it away, partly through mass immigration of people who have come from a very low trust society and see us as suckers.
Oh, well, we are suckers for bringing them in here, paying for everything.
And I mean, so in a way, they're kind of right.
We are suckers.
It's unfortunate.
It's not what we want, but that's where we're at.
Demonetization's Silver Lining00:12:05
Ezra Levant in studio here, RebelNews.com.
We were covering his incredible footage out of Brazil.
I want to get to something you just said because this is so key.
And it's, and, you know, Elon Musk has kind of done this.
Alex Jones has kind of done this.
You have kind of done this.
Some of your other reporters have even done this when they're actually out on the scene.
And that's the phenomenon of when one man stands up, the other man stands up.
It's the famous scene and quote from A Bug's Life.
And I was telling a story last week.
I was telling you in the break how, you know, normally if I do interviews, I'm in a studio, but I just decided last week after like a dozen interviews when the InfoWars news broke, I was like, I want to get out of the studio.
So I'm sitting, I'm sitting in a pool and I've got my iPhone and my headphones in.
I'm doing this interview.
I finish up.
I pop the headphones out.
I say, well, you know, the people around me obviously heard it.
I said, I hope you guys enjoyed my political diatribe.
And every single person was like, yeah, that was incredible.
Nobody talks like that.
Some couple of them were like, gee, you know, I thought I was alone in believing this.
I thought I was the only one that felt this way.
And so how do we, like, how do we turn that into the Bugs Life phenomenon?
Like, how do we defeat the damn grasshoppers?
You know, Mickey Kaus, the LA commentator, used a phrase.
I think he coined it, the undernews, the undernews.
What's underneath?
It's news that everyone sort of talks about sort of in their inside voice, quietly, only if the people around them are sort of trusted.
Things like immigration.
These days, what's the undernews?
Everyone's talking about it.
You won't see it in the regime media.
You won't see it in the overnews, the official news.
Transgenderism and sports.
Now it's starting to break through because of outrageous incidents.
What are the things that real people care about, but they're afraid to talk about because of the conformity reasons we just talked about?
Because they don't want to be at odds with official domain.
But if you finally stand up and say, you know what, I think it's nuts to have a physical man in a change room with girls, people will say, finally, yes, I believe the same thing.
And by the way, what's another underneath?
It's sort of like moms, what turns a mom conservative?
What turns a young woman from being the kids?
Having kids, but not just that.
Go one step further.
You know, they're worried about their kids getting on drugs.
They're worried about their kids.
All the worries that a mom has for the kid turn that mom conservative.
And I think that to give voice for things that people are talking about that the official regime media will not let you talk about.
And that's why Twitter is important.
That's why community notes are important.
That's why not banning the outliers is important.
Well, that's why Ezra Levan is important.
That's why Alex Jones is important.
That's why Elon Musk is important because it's one person and then it's like a domino effect.
I mean, I probably wouldn't have left sports media and gotten into politics if it wasn't for Alex Jones.
I mean, I listened to radio.
I listened to conservative talk radio mostly just because I liked the medium.
I never thought about breaking into that in this regard until I heard Alex Jones talking on the air the way he talked on the air.
Then it was like, oh, maybe there is a space for me to do this.
I don't.
And so I left sports.
I joined politics.
So that's kind of, I think, why they realize, hey, if Elon Musk has an impact on maybe some of these other billionaires, some of these other people in tech, you know, if Donald Trump has an impact on some of these other billionaires, some of these other successful business moguls, if Ezra Levan, if Alex Jones, if they motivate people younger to start their own thing and have their own voice, like that's the process they're trying to cut out.
Same reason why the grasshoppers say, we have to kill this ant.
He's going to destroy us if there's anyone else like him.
And so, you know, to me, that's what the censorship.
And then you get back to X.
And I'm sure you've seen this too.
And I got a crazy story on the transgender thing.
I'm sure you'll get a laugh at.
I mean, it's actually not funny.
You've got people getting hurt.
But I'm sure you've seen this.
There's some, let's say, infamous twins on X.
They love promoting leftist propaganda.
Yeah.
Who knows what else they're into, but they're really into that.
And I've noticed that now that X is actually a free speech platform, that they complain and they say, oh, all my poll results lean right and all my replies are disagreeing with me.
I mean, you go look at a Kamala Harris post.
You go look at any big leftist post.
Everybody disagrees with them.
And there's complaining like, oh, what is going on?
That's the real world.
See, I always say this because it's true.
Liberals are lost in a world that doesn't exist.
And when the world as it exists is presented to them, they just black it out.
They just say, nope, I don't want this.
Get it out of my face.
And now that X has actually had this public forum where there is a free exchange of ideas, stuff that they don't agree with, it's like, oh, no, I don't want to look at this.
I don't like people disagreeing with me.
I don't want these in my replies.
Don't want these pool results not going the way I want.
That's not the real world.
They're getting a hit of the real world and they don't know what to do with it.
Yeah.
You know, I think back to when Elon Musk started shaking things up at Twitter and a lot of people said, oh, he's destroyed the company.
What a vanity purchase.
He's wrecking it.
Well, it's the most popular news app out there.
I don't know how it's doing financially, but in terms of the product itself, you fired 80% of the staff.
The product's never been better.
Yeah, it's not like the Washington Post that's a vanity purchase and loses money and nobody reads it.
And what I'm excited about is there's one piece of the puzzle that's missing.
I mentioned before these political investments by left-wing venture cap companies that are just money laundering to prop up politics.
The right doesn't have that, even a fraction of that compared to the left.
And how do you pay the bills in right of center or freedom-oriented or dissident meaning?
How do you do that?
It's something we wrestle with all the time.
But I see a twinkle of a prospect in what Elon Musk talks about for his future of the app.
And I think it also is why he likes Doge, that cryptocurrency that's worth just a few pennies, is because imagine where hundreds of millions of users can, I'll give a couple of cents to this guy or a couple, or I'll buy this article for one penny.
If you can get the transaction, look, let's say you load up your Doge account on your Twitter account with a hundred bucks worth of crypto, and then ordinary content creators who could never get a YouTube ad because it would be blocked.
If you can say, hey, if you like this, give me a penny or something.
Well, how am I going to make any money?
Well, if a million people come with a penny, that's 10 grand for you.
Congrats.
I guess what I'm saying is it's not just the free speech.
It's that if he creates a free speech where everyone wants to be there and then allows this.
He hasn't really moved that way fully yet.
He started to pay a little bit to content creators.
But I just have a hope that we can break away from the Mark Zuckerbergs and the YouTubes.
YouTube demonetized Rebel News when we published Donald Trump on January 6th.
That's when YouTube demonetized us because we played a clip of him.
And we were on track to make a million bucks a year, which was enough to pay our whole payroll at the time.
YouTube cut it down to zero.
And they expected us to go out of business.
When you're an independent media, that was our dough.
That was the majority of our dough.
We'd had to totally rebuild around crowdfunding.
And that's a terrible form of censorship.
I think Elon Musk could solve that problem and have a, there could be a hundred new InfoWars and Rebel news, or more likely, just 10,000 really interesting people who get paid for their really interesting ideas and who are smarter at commentary than the fools we see on regime media.
Well, and it is a competitive market because the mainstream media is not going to Springfield, Ohio, where the breaking news about the illegal immigrants crashing cars and, you know, maybe eating geese or whatever is coming out.
The mainstream media is not going.
So independent journalists go out there.
Hey, let me see if I can get a couple million views on my videos.
Maybe I make a thousand bucks on my X account.
So it creates a competitive media market, too, where the mainstream media just doesn't even show up.
They're not even on the field anymore.
But, you know, what you talk about, it's, you know, it's kind of behind the scenes stuff.
Don't air your dirty laundry stuff, but it's true.
And this is why some other independent creators out there, and I won't name them.
It's not an insult.
It's just what they have to deal with.
They'll be on their show and they'll say before you go on, hey, we don't talk about these things.
I'm on YouTube.
That's how I pay my bills.
We also have Google ads.
If we get pulled from Google Ads, if we get pulled from YouTube, I'm done.
I got it.
So, again, I'm not trying to throw anybody under the bus.
That's the nature of where it's at when you're relying on these big tech platforms.
You know, we were demonetized by YouTube in January of 2017.
And then they took away our, they were called super chats or whatever.
So we get zero.
We got almost 2 million followers.
We got zero money.
I still love talking to those folks, but it's not a business thing.
It's just propagating the message.
We're crowdfunded now.
But here's the blessing in disguise.
We lost whatever ads we had from the boycotts.
We were demonetized by YouTube.
We don't take any government money, unlike 99% of Canadian media.
So we learned a way to survive in 2017, 2018, et cetera.
Little did I know at the time we were preparing for something that we didn't know was coming.
I'm talking about the pandemic crisis of 2020.
And had we still been reliant on YouTube, well, then YouTube could say you stop criticizing or questioning the narrative.
Like, I don't know if you ever looked at YouTube's community guidelines for talking about COVID.
If you talked about the origin of the virus, if you contradicted health officers.
You told the truth, in other words?
Yeah, and I'm not talking about going really far out there.
If you just contradicted Fauci, you were at risk.
So it was sort of like we were a hostage, but they shot us already.
So they had nothing more to do to us.
So we were immune to government sanctions.
We were immune to corporate sanctions because they had already pulled those triggers on us.
So it was that very freedom that allowed us to speak candidly when very few other Canadian media did.
Well, and it kind of made you train yourself on how to survive in the age of censorship, too.
So it's kind of like it's like if there is a silver lining or a blessing in disguise, it's like the first people that got hit with the censorship wave were kind of prepared to survive when it really came down.
I was thinking more about the day where Alex Jones was canceled on the same day by 14 different platforms, if I recall, including August 2018.
There you go.
And you know what?
And it was an umbrella.
It was like anybody who works out of this building, they hit you too.
Wow.
I didn't know that part.
Now, let's just do a little thought experiment here.
Shoe on the other foot.
Let's say under an administration where, well, I guess you're saying that was under Trump.
But if it was pushed by the Republican Party and if some Democrat outlet was banned, obviously with collusion in an anti-competitive way, don't tell me there wouldn't be an investigation in an anti-competitive, like, don't tell me 14 companies made the same decision on the same day together on their own.
I don't believe it.
And don't tell me that they didn't do so without being coerced in some way by some authorities, whether it's Gavin Newsome or someone I don't know.
I know this.
It would have been investigated as some sort of anti-competitive act.
It would have been investigated as some violation of the First Amendment.
Not only did that government protection for freedom of speech and protection from corporate collusion not happen, but where was the ACLU?
Where were the media organizations?
And that was a test drive.
Okay, we can get away with it with Alex Jones because he's spicy and he's a conspiracy guy and he's fringe.
We've already done the character assassination.
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Yeah.
And so, okay, who can we go up against next?
And who can we do next?
And that was a great failure by a lot of civil liberties organizations and by true journalists.
You don't have to be a right-winger to support the freedom of speech for a right-winger.
And that was the thing.
And those of you right-wingers were celebrating it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, and I don't know.
I don't want to go too into the weeds on this deal, but I mean, I watched that whole thing play out.
It was really about a two-year operation.
And I watched that whole thing play out from the front row.
I mean, I would probably, I mean, I'm even in the arena.
I'm watching him hacking up Alex Jones.
And so I watched that whole thing lay out.
And once they kind of got away with it with Alex, and then I started seeing him doing the same tactics to Trump and some of his biggest supporters, Mike Lindell, you name it.
I was like, they're coming for you now.
And so, but now Mike Lindell has Lindell TV, and so everybody's had to build their own thing.
And then thanks to X, we're kind of back in the competitive market.
I want to jump to something that you talked about with this transgender deal, because I got a story here.
And I know it's probably worse in Canada.
I think because you guys have highlighted some stories in Canada where even some of your reporters have gone out and confronted some of these men that are playing with women, or I guess some of them are in high school.
Boise State women's volleyball forfeits match over transgender opponent.
Boise State is, they forfeited their match this weekend against San Jose State University because the San Jose State women's volleyball team has a man that plays for their team.
And I'm just going to, this is maybe one of the easier tests you've ever taken in your life, but I'm going to put you on the spot here.
San Jose State has played nine games this year, according to their website.
They've played nine games this year.
What do you think their record is?
And so this is the one with the guys on it?
Yes, this has a man on the team.
I'm going to guess they've won them all.
You're going to go 9-0.
You know, I don't, I'm trying to measure by your face if I'm guessing wrong.
You're right.
No, you're right.
No, they are undefeated.
They are undefeated.
Go figure.
The women's team with a man on it is undefeated.
You know, and you say that's volleyball.
Okay, so volleyball, you could hurt someone, I guess, but imagine rugby.
There have been issues.
There have been issues with, I believe it's happened twice where a man spiked a ball onto a woman's head and cracked her skull.
I believe it.
But in Canada, there are men on rugby teams, which is by nature a contact sport.
And you're right.
We've sent reporters out into the field many times.
And the terrifying thing is that the women are so brainwashed, they sort of lock arms around the trans guy.
So it's beyond the conformity.
They're terrified of A, being called transphobic, of B, breaking away from all the authority figures are saying, we're going to have a guy and we're going to call him a her.
He's got male pattern baldness.
He still has his twig and berries.
He's a manly.
Five o'clock shadow.
And they're all in this delusion together.
You use the phrase mass formation psychosis.
There's something going on there, something cult-like.
And they're so terrified.
They just keep chanting their slogans.
How can girls, you know, well, the answer is they're terrified.
And if they speak out in Canada, especially, they get sanctioned.
Not only do they have their dreams as athletes ended, but if they speak out, they're banned from the league or from the sport.
Canada's really bad on that stuff.
Well, and imagine, too, here in America, it was a huge story in the early 2000s, mostly because of baseball or Lance Armstrong, about steroids.
So, oh my gosh, you know, this person used steroids.
That person used steroids.
Lance Armstrong was doping.
And it was all about an unfair advantage.
It was all about what an unfair advantage, how unfair it was.
You cheated the integrity of the game.
You cheated the integrity of the sports.
You cheated the integrity of the whole history books and the records.
But a man competing against women doesn't count in that?
Yeah, and you have to understand what's going on here.
You know, there was a in Canada, there was a 50-something male-to-female trans swimmer who would compete on a team with teenage girls.
And then he would go and change in the girls' locker room.
Now, there was also an all-gender family locker room, which had individual stalls.
He chose to go into the girls' change room, even though there was an all-gender.
Why would he do that?
There's another case in Canada where a fella, male to female transgender, says, I want to help in the women's shelter for battered women.
And they say, okay, no problem.
You can be with the guys on the fundraising committee.
You can't get into the actual shelter.
That will cause terror amongst the women in there.
He said, no, I insist on being in with the women.
Why would these guys do that?
Because they want absolute final proof that you are willing to go along with the delusion that they are women.
And the only way they can do that is for you to say, yes, you can be in the women's change room with the girls.
Yes, you can be in the battered women's shelter with the battered women.
They need to go where they are forbidden to fulfill their psychological quirk.
They must compete against women.
They would not, if there was a transgender, if there was male sports, female sports, and trans sports, no one would go into the trans category because they're not looking for that.
They're looking to colonize what it means to be a woman.
I wonder why you wouldn't just do that.
Because it's not, because they have to get you to it.
The reason why they're so insistent on the pronouns, it's ma'am.
You know, all those people.
But I'm saying, like, nobody even suggests what you just said as a concept.
Like, hey, let's just have a league for trans.
No one would, not one person would go to it because they're not looking to be trans.
They're looking to be a woman.
And that's why they always say, well, I mean, that's why Matt Walsh's movie was such a hit.
What is a woman?
You've got to say it or you failed the woke test.
You must say it and you must believe it.
It's so frustrating, too, because you're just, these people are not intellectually honest is the problem.
They're just completely intellectually dishonest.
Because on one hand, they'll tell you, if you're a man, you can't talk about abortion issues because you're a man.
You're not allowed to.
Only women.
That's a woman's thing.
But wait a second.
Over here, you're saying that there's no, there's not even a distinction between a man and a woman.
So what do you mean?
I can't.
So it's just, there's no logical consistency.
And I mean, even you could even go into the conversation of like first wave, second wave feminism, which created women's sports.
They didn't even used to have women's sports.
Yeah.
The era of women's sports lasted about a century.
It was only about 75 years ago.
That's why I'm like, part of me is like, okay, maybe I just go into this and I just say, yeah, you know what?
Male dominance, like we're coming into your sports spaces and we're going to kick your ass literally.
South Park, exactly.
You're quoting the South Park strong woman.
I'm a strong woman.
I'm going to say.
And then the feminist woman is like, wait a second.
You know, it really is too bad.
I don't know if you ever saw that photo of the first woman to run the Boston Marathon before women were allowed.
Do you ever see that photo?
And she was running and sort of officials tried to grab her.
I bet your team could Google it pretty quick.
The first woman to run.
They're up against the clock.
And they ran and grabbed her and tried to physically pull her out.
So women's sports is a new thing.
I think it's a great thing.
And for safety and for sexual safety, you can't have guys physically attacking women or changing with them.
Men have colonized women's spaces.
And this is part of the high trust society.
We're allowing men into women's spaces.
We're forcing it on them.
This is the largest underneath story, I think, in America right now.
They found it.
Yeah, that's her.
You know, the women women's sports got it.
Oh, my gosh.
They even, see, women sometimes are their own worst enemy.
So now what you're going to have in the WNBA is eventually men will take over the WNBA, but it's like they always complain they want more money.
They always complain.
Nobody goes and sees their sports.
Now they finally have an athlete that's drawing crowds and putting money in their pocket and they all hate her.
Yeah.
They all hate Caitlin Clark.
They all try to kill her on the court.
So it's ironic.
All right, we'll do one more segment.
Final closing words from Ezra Levant.
All right, final segment here with Ezra Levant from RebelNews.com.
We're just talking about the future.
And I mean, look, I have hope too.
I think you have hope for Canada.
I have hope for America.
It's getting over that hurdle of corruption and propaganda and everything else that comes with it.
But you were mentioning you got this event coming up.
You guys do these events all the time over there at Rebel News.
And you were saying that one of your speakers here is a former powerlifter who got banned, a female powerlifter.
Why did she get banned?
Yeah, I mean, there's some interesting characters there for folks in Calgary.
We're having an event on Saturday.
You can go to RebelNewsLive.com.
We've got two interesting characters at that event.
One is Tamara Leach, the head of the trucker convoy, who was jailed for 49 days and has just been through another year and a half trial.
She's going to be one of our keynote speakers.
Just an amazing woman.
And then do you see the lady on the bottom right?
That's April Hutchinson.
She's a powerlifter, a female powerlifter.
But because she dared to criticize the trans guys in powerlifting, she was banned for speaking out.
And that's the thing.
A woman like that trains for years.
Her heart's set on joining the national team, maybe going to the Olympics.
But you say one word about the trans guys, and your whole life's ambitions are like that.
Imagine the terror.
You've gotten up early.
You've gone to the gym.
You've trained for years.
You're hoping to make the team.
But if you dare say a word about the trans guy who's campaigning against you, you'll have your dreams vaporized.
That's how they keep female athletes in line.
It's a kind of a, it's a kind of, I don't know, gaslighting.
You're not, you have to pretend you like it or will destroy your career.
I mean, imagine.
Well, it's like you're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't.
So either the man comes in and beats you or you better shut up about it and you get kicked out.
That's why the team, anytime a team refuses to play against another team with a trans on it, absolute kudos for them.
Yeah.
And which sucks for them, but I mean, got to take a stand.
Yeah.
I'm curious if there's any Canadian athletes because slowly but surely, we've had American athletes that are more, let's say, open to speaking their mind or even, you know, promoting Donald Trump, which we probably didn't see at all in 2016.
If we did, it was like, I think the one instance was like Tom Brady kind of hid a MAGA hat in his locker and it was like, you know.
But other than that, it was like, now people come out, they take photos, they promote Trump.
They say he's great.
They say they like him.
Is there anybody like that in Canada?
I mean, I guess maybe the biggest athlete is Connor McDavid.
He likes to skate around in a rainbow flag.
Is there anyone else?
You know, the only people I've seen in athletics speaking out for Trump are MMA fighters.
Yeah.
They're really deeply involved.
What about like against Trudeau?
You know what?
They don't dare do it because it's so corporate and so woke and so politically correct.
These guys would be marginalized.
There was an incident the other day.
Someone came close to expressing an opinion.
They were just destroyed.
Hockey players in Canada, that's our main sport.
They're pretty guys, guys.
The NHL is like 90% conservative.
I worked NHL for four years.
But they don't dare say a word because it is so tightly controlled.
It would be like if Bud Light owned the franchise, people would be scared to say anything.
Like they're so politically correct.
They just shut up and play, which I suppose is a good thing.
Like we don't necessarily, maybe people would prefer that athletes do athlete stuff.
But I think it's out of terror that they don't say a word because they would destroy their careers.
Not because the fans would want their careers.
No, they'd have the top-selling jersey.
Yeah, it's just that the league.
There was that one Canadian player who refused to do the gay pride event and he had the top-selling jersey like the next day.
You know, and I remember that now that you mentioned it.
And he said, well, my religious beliefs, I don't think.
He was a Russian.
He was a Russian.
That's a very rare counterexample because all the other examples go the other way where there's total conformity.
That's Canada for you.
Cancel culture is strong up there.
It's so crazy, though.
NHL is probably the most conservative, maybe MLB.
But I mean, I would go into the broadcast booth with these Canadian broadcasters.
They're the biggest Canadian patriots.
They're just beer drinking, hockey-watching, hockey-loving Canadian patriots, man.
But it's like, hey, you say the wrong thing on air.
You got to be careful.
The corporations come for you.
All right, Ezra Levant, RebelNews.com.
Where are other places people can follow your work?
Well, that's the best place.
I mean, I am on Twitter, obviously.
Ezra Levant is my name.
And we have a company Twitter account, which I think is pretty fun.
It's called Rebel News Online.
But we're pretty easy to find.
We mainly cover Canada, but we also have a great guy in Australia, Abiyamini.
We cover American stuff sometimes, and we love going.
Rebel News, InfoWars, Brothers in Arms.
All right.
Great hour with Ezra Levant.
That's about as Alex Jones of Canada as you're going to get right there.