Ezra Levant and Joel Pollack examine ABC News’ alleged bias in the 2024 presidential debate, where Trump faced seven fact-checks while Harris went unchallenged despite misstatements. Pollack cites 2020 election irregularities—court-imposed rule changes, media censorship (e.g., Hunter Biden laptop suppression), and potential swing-state elector manipulation—to question legitimacy. In Ohio, Haitian migrants like Mirzu seek jobs, with McGregor Metal CEO Jamie McGregor confirming their reliability, but locals dismiss absurd pet-eating claims while media access is blocked. The debate reveals systemic distrust in electoral fairness and media transparency, framing 2024 as a test of democratic credibility amid deep polarization. [Automatically generated summary]
It is just 53 days until the U.S. presidential election.
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We're going to talk about is the risk for cheating and vote rigging and jiggery pokery as high in 2024 as it was last time.
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Tonight, just 53 days to the U.S. presidential election.
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We have a feature interview with our friend Joel Pollock from Breitbart.com.
It's September 13th, and this is the Ezra Levant Show.
shame on you you censorious bug it's only 53 days until the u.s presidential election I can't believe how quickly that's coming up.
There's a phrase, the October surprise, which means something happens in the last few weeks that might jolt the campaign.
Well, I already think we've had quite a few surprises in the last month or two.
Donald Trump faced an assassination attempt and an inch over, and God forbid the bullet would have killed him.
Then even more crazy, the incumbent president, Joe Biden, was simply removed as the leadership candidate, the presidential candidate, and Kamala Harris was anointed.
There was no public process.
Just absolutely astonishing.
Let's check in on the state of that presidential campaign with our best friend down there, Joel Pollock, senior editor-at-large at Breitbart.com.
Joel, great to see you again.
53 days, that is so soon.
But in another way, that's an eternity.
Almost anything could happen.
There could be a war.
There could be, God forbid, another assassination attempt.
What do you think the next 53 days are going to be like?
Well, voting starts already in a few days with some of the ballots already going out.
So I don't think 53 days are as dramatic as they once were.
We have an election season now, no longer an election day.
Election day is really just a deadline and a kind of antiquated ritual, I suppose, for those of us who think that elections involve going somewhere to vote.
Now we have this vote-by-mail system, which is universally associated around the world with fraud or the potential for fraud, but somehow we have allowed it to become part of our system.
And we have absentee voting for just about any reason you can think of or no reason at all, really.
So it's not as dramatic as it once was.
In fact, I think that this election is basically over and it's overbar the shouting.
We have a lot of shouting to do over 53 days, but I do think most people have made up their minds and the campaigns will be fighting over whoever's left, which is going to be a small number of people.
And it may come down to a few votes.
So these fights are important, but basically the election is done.
Well, you know, that's an astonishing way to look at it, but it makes total sense.
You wrote a book about the 2020 election.
Going from memory, I think you called it neither free nor fair.
Is that right?
That's right.
Because of all of the various ways in which Democrats tried to rig the election.
And I stayed away from the term rigged because I think that the election results could have been legitimate.
We don't know that they were necessarily different than they might have been had all other things been equal.
And one of the phenomena, for example, that people who believe the election was stolen can't quite explain is that even though Trump lost at the top of the ticket, Republicans won in many congressional races.
Democrats had expected to pick up 12 seats.
And in fact, the Republicans won many seats.
Voters seemed to have split their tickets.
You wouldn't expect that it would be very easy to cheat in such a precise way.
But I do think that the election was neither free nor fair.
There was violence and there were threats of violence.
There were rule changes imposed by the Democrats through the courts against the will of the Republicans.
You know, if you're going to change the rules of the election, you have to do that together in a bipartisan way.
Everyone's got to agree on the rules for a fair fight.
If you're just imposing the rules that benefit your side against the other side, that's not fair.
There were also attempts at media censorship.
The Hunter Biden laptop was, in fact, censored a month before the election.
Many people said they would have changed their vote if they had known that Hunter Biden had confirmed the accusations of his father's corruption and influence peddling.
So there were many factors that went into making the last election unfree and unfair.
And we're heading in that direction.
It's not as bad this time because Elon Musk now owns Twitter, now known as X.
And I think the scrutiny has also forced some of the other people who openly participated in the unfairness to stay on the sidelines.
Mark Zuckerberg, for example, CEO of Facebook, gave $400 million in 2020 to so-called voter protection projects or I think it was safe election projects or whatever it was.
But invariably the money was spent in Democratic districts in swing states on getting out the vote, ostensibly for a public purpose, but really to benefit Democrats.
So he's staying on the sidelines now.
We have seen some attempts.
I mean, the debate that we watched this past week on ABC News was rigged against Trump.
There's no other way to put it.
When the moderators interjected, by my count, seven times to fact-check Trump and never once interjected to fact-check Kamala Harris, it's not because Kamala Harris never told lies or misstated the facts.
There were many cases in which she referred to hoaxes, completely debunked claims, and the moderators said nothing.
So it looks very much like the debate was rigged against Trump.
And that's not an overreach to say that.
I think that ABC News deliberately made the debate harder for Trump.
That's not to say Trump couldn't have done better.
I think he could have had a better debate, but he was up against not just his Democratic rival, but the two moderators as well.
Having said that, I do think this is a more winnable, fairer, maybe not completely fair, but fairer fight than in 2020.
Well, and that's what I was getting at, because I remember your thesis four years ago was unfair.
Yeah, but they got that unfairness in legally.
So it wasn't like they were fraudulently rigging it.
They were legally rigging it by changing the rules, by having this mass mailing, vote harvesting, voting that's so different than what we're traditionally used to.
So I guess my question is, where there is this easy peasy, no voter ID, mail-in vote mush, is that, are those in places like California that really the Republican presidential candidate would have no hope whatsoever?
Are the battleground states, Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, some of those places, are they as rigged or as tilted as they were last time?
Like, really, I think this election is going to probably come down to a half a dozen key states, right?
Nevada, maybe Colorado.
Counties in states that are going to swing the election in their states.
In some places, they've managed to tighten things up so that even if they have vote by mail, people trust it more.
But Pennsylvania announced several weeks ago that people should not expect a result on election night.
Now, Florida has more people than Pennsylvania does, and Florida still turns out a result on election night.
Pennsylvania has said it can't.
And that's because Pennsylvania is going to be relying once again on vote by mail, and it's going to take them a while to count all the ballots that have been postmarked by election day, but not received by election day, and all kinds of other problems.
So, yeah, we're living in this weird situation where we're not going to know who has won the election potentially until several days after it.
And then there will be challenges in court.
Plus, there's the weird system that we have, which I actually like, but it's weird and Byzantine, really, the Electoral College.
And I think that if Trump wins by a small margin overall, that is to say, if he wins, let's say, 280 or 290 Electoral College votes, the minimum for victory is 270.
I think that the media and the Kamala Harris campaign and the Democratic Party will try to convince those electors who usually don't have a choice, but who have to cast a ballot.
They're going to try to pressure those electors to vote against Trump when the Electoral College meets to vote in mid-December, thereby denying him that majority.
It's also possible, by the way, that if Michigan and Pennsylvania go to Donald Trump, but Harris wins all the other states that Biden won in 2020, you could have a 269, 269 tie, and then the House of Representatives would decide the winner on January 6th, 2025.
So it's going to be a tough fight long after Election Day.
Are they still using those voting machines?
There was a lot of litigation for people who criticized Dominion voting machines.
Believe it or not, we got a legal threat from Dominion and their high-powered law firm.
We pushed back at them and basically said, come get us.
And they didn't.
We didn't say anything defamatory.
We just said they were involved in various scandals up here, which they were.
Are they still involved?
Are those, and I'm not going down any theories here.
I'm just saying in Canada, one of the few things that I think we can toot our horn about is that we actually mark a ballot, you know, on paper and they're counted on paper.
I was in the United Kingdom for their election, and they count them and they stack them and they review them in hand in one building.
And everyone's there till 4 a.m. because they check and double check and no one leaves that room.
And I felt like that was the most secure thing I'd ever seen in my life.
How come America has this weird system?
Are they still using the weird system, which is the digital machines?
So I don't think the machines have much to do with it.
I mean, if you're looking for the potential for fraud, you have to look at the standards used when the ballots are checked, when signatures are verified and things like that.
I'll give you an example.
A few years ago, we had an effort here in Los Angeles County, where I live, to recall the district attorney, the public prosecutor, who is a far left-wing George Soros-supported prosecutor who has allowed a massive crime wave here in Los Angeles.
And the people organizing a petition drive to force a recall election turned in 26% more than the minimum number of signatures required.
The LA County officials went through the petitions and they disqualified 27% of those submitted, just enough to disqualify the petition drive and to prevent the recall election.
And what's interesting to me is they found an error rate of 27%, basically one in four.
But during the general election of 2020, they found errors in fewer than 1% of the vote-by-mail ballots that were sent in.
So how does the error rate go from less than 1% in a general election with so many more ballots and so many more people participating to one in four, 27%, in a signature drive?
Now, I understand that these signatures can be collected outside stores and maybe people have messy handwriting or whatever it is when they put their addresses down.
But the difference to me, and I did some investigative reporting about this, is basically in the way they verify the signatures.
When they do it in the election, they can set the machines to count signatures certain ways.
But when they do it in the petition drives, they actually have county officials sitting through and going through each page and comparing the signatures on the petitions to the ones on file.
When you have humans intervening in every single signature, you have a far higher likelihood that the signatures are going to be rejected.
And they can be rejected for small reasons.
We don't know.
Maybe the loop on the L or the J was too large or something.
So we have this different way of measuring signatures.
And when the Democrats who run Los Angeles County want to count ballots, they are more lenient in their standards.
They let the machine do it.
And, you know, you can set the machine in different ways.
And I'm not, again, I'm not pointing a finger at Dominion at all.
I'm just saying this is how it's done.
I don't know if it's Dominion machines at all used in LA County, whatever system they have, a computer that takes a picture, I don't know, but they can set the parameters there.
And when they want to stop something from happening, then they have their own county employees sit and go through the signatures.
And by the way, there are no campaign observers allowed in the room when they do that.
Unlike an election when you have campaign observers watching the vote count, when it comes to petition drives, suddenly, miraculously, we don't have any provision for allowing the observers in the room.
So there are so many ways to do this and so many ways to get the outcome you want.
And I think this is now a crisis of legitimacy, really, in American democracy.
And I, again, I don't think, look, the point I made in my book, Neither Free Nor Fair, was if you look at the counting of the votes, and everyone likes that phrase by Stalin, you know, it's show me who counts the votes, right?
But it's not happening just at the counting of votes or what ballots are in the box.
It's everything that happens leading up to that point.
So if you're suppressing information, if you're prosecuting people, and I have said this election is better, but I'm reminded now that my former boss, Steve Bannon, is basically a political prisoner taken off the political field in a partisan prosecution.
When you do things like that, you are creating a system that is unfair.
I have a question to ask you, actually, since you mentioned the Canadian elections.
And you want to know why it's different in America.
There are ways we could certainly improve our elections here.
I'm very much in favor of that.
However, it runs into a problem, which is that we don't have a parliamentary system.
And I don't want to move to a parliamentary system.
But in Canada, how many things do you vote on in a typical election?
Voting Beyond Ballots00:02:34
How many choices, how many questions are on a ballot?
You mean like referendum questions?
When you show up to vote, I mean, you have, you know, in most countries, it's just one choice, which party?
You know, you're asked to vote which party.
Well, in Canada, it's which party's candidate.
So you have the name of the candidate and then the name of the party.
And there's a list with all the names of the candidates and the parties under it.
Okay, so you just mark an X.
And you don't have a ranking system.
You just mark one X.
Okay, and how many other things are on the ballot?
So when we vote, we're not just voting for president.
We're voting for governor and senator and representative.
And then we're voting dozens of judges.
And in fact, you don't actually vote for the prime minister.
You just vote for your local member of parliament.
And then afterwards, the party that has the most members of parliament, their leader, is chosen as the prime minister.
So we don't have a direct election of our prime minister.
So anytime anyone says we need to count ballots by hand, and I've observed elections in South Africa where they do count ballots by hand.
And again, there it's just a question of which party do you want in local elections, which counselor do you want?
But basically, it's one question on one ballot.
In my typical California ballot, I may have something like 30 to 40 things to vote on.
And it's ballot initiatives, it's judges, it's local offices, state offices, federal offices, the president.
So how do you hand count ballots 30 or 40 times for each of these different offices?
You can't do it.
So we have to actually have some kind of automated system for counting the ballots.
You can have a hand count if you want for specific offices when you have a recount, for example, if you think the machines haven't counted properly or there might have been some mistake or irregularity somewhere.
But we do need an automated system.
We also, however, can improve the safeguards around that automated process, such as voter ID and such as making sure people register in advance and not simply on the day of so that they show up somewhere and log the system and you can't verify people in time and you just wave them through and let them vote.
I mean, there are so many other things we can do that we're not doing.
So I don't think we need to move to hand counting of ballots unless we want to adopt a parliamentary model.
And, you know, there are some people who suggest we should do what they call straight ticket voting, which is basically our version of a parliamentary vote, where instead of voting for all this stuff, you just say, I'm voting for whoever the Republicans have chosen for all 40 of these questions, you know, and you vote a straight ticket.
It's difficult to go to hand voting, but we can improve everything else around the voting process.
What Trump Has to Do00:07:55
And we're not doing it.
And the reason we're not doing it right now is because Republicans can't force Democrats to accept the changes.
Democrats believe the current system favors them, but also because when Republicans get into office, they don't change things when they think it favors them.
We have a problem of incumbency and incumbents not wanting to change a system from which they benefit.
Well, I'm terrified by what you said because I think the Republicans have to win by the margin of lawyer.
You know, they have to win by so much that it can't be finagled or litigated.
And I'm not sure if that's going to happen.
Now, Kamala Harris, I find her grating, that cackling voice.
So I think aesthetically, I find her a turnoff.
But just on the substance of it, I think she's, I don't think it's contentious to say she's the most left-wing.
She was the most left-wing senator in the chamber.
I think she's, I think she's awful, but she has the entire orchestra of the mainstream media behind her that are making her look as good as possible and unanimously pressuring for her throughout all the cultural levers out there.
I mean, I think you could take a fence post and get them to 40% in the polls if you just have the Democratic war machine behind them.
I remember you and I talking about her before.
I mean, she dropped out of the race for the presidential nomination four years ago.
I think with 1% of the support, she didn't even have her own state of California behind her.
Can they do the Pygmalion story, you know, turning an ugly duckling into a beautiful princess?
Can they just fake it till they make it and get her across the finish line?
They can, if Trump lets them.
And I think Trump has to step up and do a better job of explaining the case for his election and explaining the case against her.
And it's been very frustrating because the media don't ask her questions.
And in that debate, the moderators were completely on her side.
They fact-checked Trump so many times and fact-checked her never.
And you can't expect any objectivity from our media.
You just can't.
So you've got to make the case yourself if you're Donald Trump.
And at Breitbart, we've actually put up 100 videos showing Kamala's positions.
It's in one article, and it shows you, in her own words, what her radical left-wing positions actually are on the issues.
And that's the sort of thing that needs to happen.
The Trump campaign can't do it all.
But it is possible that she'll win with this effort because Democrats are unifying around her.
They don't want to talk about her policies, which are terrible.
They don't want to talk about her achievements, which are nil.
But they do see her as a standard-bearer for their party against Donald Trump.
They are an anti-Trump party at the moment.
That's basically what unifies them.
And they are going to rally around her.
That's going to be enough for them to be very competitive on November 5th.
What Trump has to do is make the case that America cannot survive another four years of the same people running the country into the ground, and it needs to re-elect him, to bring him back, remember the prosperity of the four years under Trump before the pandemic, and remember the peace in the world, the Abraham Accords, the fact that Russia didn't invade anybody during the period that Trump was president.
I think people know that.
I think people understand that.
And I don't think Kamala Harris has done much to convince voters in the middle or voters who are sitting on the fence that they should move over to her side.
She really has not done a good job of reaching out to independent voters or voters in swing states.
It's mostly just been a message aimed at driving out her base and getting them out to vote.
Yeah.
I know you got to run, but I want to ask you one last question.
It's about Joe Biden.
I saw this video of Joe Biden at some event, and someone was wearing a ball cap, MAGA, make America Great Again.
And they had a little bit of banter.
And then Joe Biden said, Here, let me put on that hat.
And he put on the Trump hat, and then he made some joke about pets.
We have reporters in Springfield, Ohio right now, where Trump in the debate talked about Haitian migrants eating pets.
And you'll look at this hat video.
Just take a look at this, and I want to say something and then ask you about it.
There you go!
Remember, no eating dog and cats.
So people are laughing at that because it is sort of funny to see Biden wear a MAGA hat.
And some people are saying, oh, he's really sticking it to Kamala Harris.
I don't think so.
I don't think he even knew what was on it.
I think he really feels oblivious, that sort of stare he has.
And when he just sort of stays very, very still and then says something cryptic, almost like Chauncey Gardner in that Peter Sellers movie being there.
You know, he says like five words and people say, oh, that was very deep.
I don't know if you ever saw that movie with Peter Sellers.
Here's a clip of it to show you what I mean.
In a garden, growth has its season.
First comes spring and summer, but then we have fall and winter.
And then we get spring and summer again.
I don't think Joe Biden is mentally engaged.
I saw a statistic that 40% of his time since becoming president has been on holiday.
I bet it's more than that.
And when he's in Washington, I don't think he's engaged.
I don't know who's running the country.
I don't know who's making the decisions about the wars in the world.
I don't know who's making the decision about anything.
I'm pretty sure it never was Joe Biden.
Kamala Harris is busy campaigning.
Can I ask you who's running America right now?
Well, we don't know.
And it's the staff, basically.
And it's always been like that with Joe Biden, as you point out.
Ron Klein was his chief of staff who basically was acting as president for two years before he left.
Look, that incident with the hat, I think what happened was more likely, and I don't know everything around what happened there, but my impression is that Biden showed up on September 11th in Pennsylvania to pay honor and pay homage to the people of Flight 93 who resisted the al-Qaeda terrorists and plane ultimately crashed.
But Biden showed up there, and it's a rural part of Pennsylvania.
It happens to have a lot of Trump supporters there.
So the people who came to his event were wearing Trump t-shirts and Trump hats and so forth.
And they included a lot of children, people that you can't say no to.
And I think what happened was Biden was caught in a bind.
He was at this 9-11 memorial that was the focus of his day.
And there were all these people who showed up in Trump gear.
And I think if he had refused to play along, I think it would have looked bad.
He couldn't leave.
He couldn't walk out because it would have been disrespectful to the memorial.
So he posed for pictures with some of the people with their Trump gear.
And I think it was all in good fun.
And maybe, look, maybe he just, I don't want to speculate about his mental state, which, as you point out, isn't always there, but maybe he's just enjoying not having to run.
And he can have the kind of playful moments with Americans that aren't set up and managed by consultants.
And he knows Trump is a cultural phenomenon.
I don't think he's throwing Kamala Harris under the bus, but the fact is that Trump is a folk hero.
And even though half the country is going to go out and vote against him, he is still, in some ways, revered by Americans.
I interviewed left-wing Americans right after the assassination attempt who were very impressed that he got up from a bullet wound.
They're not going to vote for him.
They want to see him defeated.
But there's something about that moment and other Trumpian moments that have made him a familiar figure.
I mean, you know, I try not to talk politics too much with my kids, but at dinner the other night, my three-year-old burst out and just started shouting the name Donald Trump.
I don't know where she heard it, but kids know who he is.
And, you know, it's part of our popular culture now.
So I think Biden was just having some fun.
Skeptical Views on Trump00:04:55
I mean, that's my explanation.
That's what I think is likeliest.
I don't really know.
I think he was having fun, but I don't even think he knew what was on the hat.
I honestly don't even know if he knew.
I think he knew.
I think he understood when he saw the red t-shirts.
And this was a friendly crowd, but not a politically supportive crowd.
And I think he just had to roll with it.
Well, you know, I'll go with your happier interpretation of things.
Well, Joe, listen, it's great to catch up with you.
I know you're so busy and I appreciate you carving out some time for us.
And, you know, we're going to send, we're going to have a very special project.
I'm not going to announce it now, but we have a very special way to cover the U.S. presidential election.
We'll announce it, oh, I guess in a couple of weeks' time.
So we'll have our own.
We're from Canada.
We don't have a strong presidence in America, but I think we'll have a special way of covering it.
Joel, we'll make sure to let you know about that.
Take care, my friend, and thanks for your time.
Thank you so much, Edward.
All right.
There you have it.
Joel Pollock, Sr. Editor-at-Large at Breitpart.com.
Stay with us.
Letters to me next Hey, welcome back you Your letters to me on the immigration poll I showed you a couple of days ago.
Cruella says, take surveys with a grain of salt.
We don't know what the question that was asked in entirety to the surveying percentage ill represent or misled the narrative.
Okay, I'm slightly less skeptical than you because most polls actually in sort of the fine print show you the exact wording of the poll question.
Listen, you're good to be skeptical.
I agree with that outlook on life, especially with discredited political institutions.
But I think pollsters, at least most mainstream pollsters, they ask questions that can withstand scrutiny.
I just don't think they would get clients otherwise.
Crazy Cana Corso lady, if I'm saying that right, says, my city, Syria in British Columbia, now looks like India.
Even my local park, there's no baseball anymore.
They play cricket.
Trudeau literally imported India into Canada and erased our Western traditions and values.
It really is astonishing.
I've never been to India.
It's the world's most populous country.
It's now larger than China.
And it's a democracy.
It has its flaws.
But the idea that we are going to take literally millions of people from India makes no sense.
That we're taking them as students here makes no sense.
That we're taking them as foreign workers to undermine our own workers makes no sense.
And the worst of all is that India, if you can believe this, you're not going to believe the words that come out of my mouth next.
India is the number one source of refugees to Canada.
India is a country at peace.
It is a democracy.
It has an opposition.
It is a multi-ethnic country.
They had a Sikh prime minister fairly recently.
They have a Hindu prime minister.
They have different ethnicities.
I wouldn't want to live there myself because I'm not Indian.
I want to live here in Canada.
But the idea that someone from India is a refugee and we take them, and Mexico, that's in the top four countries too, absolute madness.
And I think economically, it's devastating to this country, but I think culturally and just the sense of nation at Trudeau is destroying this place.
On Cats Canada, the woman who was smeared by Mark Gerritson, Wamba, says, Christy Freeland studied Russia in university.
So if anyone is a Russian asset, it is her.
Well, I mean, I think she is some sort of a spy operative.
She went to the Soviet Union and I think was kicked out.
This was when she was a student.
I think that she has been a, more likely a CIA asset, not just with her trip to the Soviet Union, but her interactions with the Ukrainian government.
I don't know.
I think that the way I would characterize Christia Freeland is without merit.
I don't think she has the skills to be a finance minister.
I think that she is a terrible communicator.
I think she's atrociously condescending.
I wouldn't call her a Russian asset, though.
I think she's an anti-Russian asset.
Neither of which has anything to do with her Canadian obligations now, does it?
That's our show for today.
Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, good night, and keep fighting for freedom.
David Menzies for Rebel News here in Springfield, Ohio.
And of course, Springfield is very much in the news these days.
Haitians and Jobs00:10:50
President Trump referenced this small city a couple of nights ago in the presidential debate.
In Springfield, they're eating the dogs, the people that came in.
They're eating the cats.
They're eating the pets of the people that live there.
And this is what's happening in our country.
And it's a shame.
And the reason is the large influx of Haitian migrants.
The numbers range from 12,000 to 20,000.
And it's a significant number because Springfield's population is around 50,000.
So it is a huge influx of migrants from a different culture.
They speak a different language.
And of course, the most notorious thing, we're trying to confirm if the rumors are true, is that wildlife and pets are being kidnapped and either eaten or sacrificed in some kind of voodoo ritual.
But I know he was crying and upset because they killed his cats.
You know, people talked about their dogs being stolen and ate.
It's ridiculous.
They're mongrels.
Biden did this.
We need Trump back in office.
We do.
And I'm voting for Trump.
Trump gets back in office, we might get our city back.
I mean, this city's small anyway.
But as you can see behind me, this is the factory for Dole.
And we were tipped off by one local source in Springfield that many of the Haitian migrants are indeed employed in factories at industrial parks like this one.
His allegation was that the wages are too low and the work is too arduous for the locals to take on.
I don't know if that's true or not, but that was his take.
And he said that is one of the drivers for the Haitian migrants coming to Little Springfield, Ohio.
Mirzu says he came to Springfield for the same reason most Haitians did.
He heard that housing was cheap and jobs were plentiful.
Jamie McGregor is the CEO of McGregor Metal, which makes welded parts for the auto and farm industries.
Right now, about 10% of his workforce is Haitian, over 30 employees.
I wish I had 30 more.
Our Haitian associates come to work every day.
They don't have a drug problem.
They'll stay at their machine.
They'll achieve their numbers.
They are here to work.
Now, my cameraman, Lincoln Jay and I, we've been out here for almost an hour.
We tried to get an interview.
We were told by security we had to leave immediately.
And we were also told that Dole corporate media affairs, they would have nothing to say to us either.
And that we weren't the only media outlet to come by in recent days.
Bonjour, how are you?
My name is David.
I am a journalist.
And we're doing a story about Haitians.
Creole.
Creole.
Okay, then.
Are you from Haiti?
Haiti.
Yes.
And yourself, ma'am?
No.
And do you work here at the Dole plant?
Okay, then.
All right.
Thank you very much.
How you doing?
Hi, I'm David Menzies.
No?
Oh, French.
Are you from Haiti?
Flanch.
Okay, French?
Haitian?
You speak Flanch?
I don't, unfortunately, no.
So are you Haitian?
No, no, no.
No?
You're not from Haiti?
Jean-Council Bam.
Okay, then.
Yeah.
All right.
The locals don't want to work or can't work in these jobs.
And that's what's driving this Haitian migration.
Is that correct, or is there some other reason?
I honestly believe you can go down any street on South Fountain and see it's not the Haitians that's asking for money.
Okay.
It's Americans.
And Americans have, since I think COVID hit, become lazy and they don't want to go to work.
So the only way to get the economy back up and rolling is get people working.
And sir, how many Haitians would you say are working in the Dole plant?
A few.
Okay, a few hundred, a few thousand?
A few.
Okay, you're being cryptic about that, but how about what kind of workers are they?
What kind of jobs do they do at the Dole Factory?
They do every job that anybody else does.
I don't know a supervisor that's a Haitian, but I can tell you they are fully capable of doing every job that any American does in here.
A lot of things get stereotyped.
I mean, we can watch the debate and people talked about people are eating dogs and cats.
They're eating the dogs, the people that came in, they're eating the cats, they're eating the pets of the people that live there.
And this is what's happening in our country, and it's a shame.
I think you would have to be absolute dumbass to even think that another human being is going to eat a dog or a cat.
Did you eat that cat?
Did you eat it?
Now why'd you kill it?
Get in there.
Did you guys see all this?
No, we pulled up if she was just laying there with me.
She's here eating it.
She was eating it?
Yeah, she was.
She said, but in flooding the button, Springfield's around 50,000.
The number of Haitians I've heard is anywhere from 12 to 20,000.
And it's a different culture, a different language.
Are they assimilating into the American lifestyle?
I mean, I think everything's a big adjustment.
I mean, put yourself in shoes if you go to another country.
How long is it going to take you to adjust?
I know here at jobs, at other jobs, it takes 30 days to break a good habit or a bad habit.
So to think that they're just going to come here and know something.
I know a bunch of kids, everybody got kids.
Do your kids know something or do you teach them?
And the same things here.
If Haitians are having issues or whoever's having an issue, instead of talking about them, why not take the time to show them?
Is it true that the jobs aren't necessarily very high paying and that the jobs are tough?
For example, working for hours in a cold room.
Is there any credibility to those allegations?
Working in a cold room, there's plenty of jobs all the way across the United States that have 35 degrees.
There's also other factories that have over 100 degrees.
It's kind of like your preference.
Do you want to go to work and work in cold or do you want to go to work and work in the heat?
Do I want to go outside and lay roofing shingles?
Do I want to go mow grass or do I want a factory job?
Do I want an STNA job where I clean and take care of older people or do I want to go to school and teach?
It's kind of like what profession fits you best.
So to answer that question correctly, I don't think there is a correct answer because there's so many opportunities and I believe that's what Haitians, immigrants of any sort, they come here just looking for the American dream and whatever dream that they're having, I'm pretty sure that the reason they're here is because it's better than the situation that they were in.
I would like to say I am almost a hundred, well I can't say almost and then say a hundred.
So I'm about 99.9% sure that people are not eating pets.
A lot of those allegations are false.
I believe somebody actually said that they saw a tree, a cat hanging from a tree.
Now if I came out and saw my pet hanging, I'll probably call the police.
But there was no police call ever made.
A lot of people are taking Facebook and images of things that happen in other cities and other states and try and make it seem like it's here.
And instead of being a follower, Springfield needs more leaders.
I spoke to the supervisor Sean who went to bat for the Haitian workers here.
Unfortunately, Wuntel is precisely how many are here.
We were talking about there are ads online in French enticing workers to come to some of the factories in this industrial park.
And the question arises, why would it be in French?
Are you attracting workers from Haiti?
Are you attracting workers from Quebec or France?
So it looks like there is very much credence to the position that Haitians are being brought over here indeed to work in these factories.
I wish somebody from Dole would come on camera, but as we were told, that's a no-go.
Not even media relations will touch this.
Perhaps it's just too much of a third rail issue.
Hey, how you doing?
We were asked to have you guys leave.
Oh, okay.
Is this the problem?
We'll continue to go on the property.
We've been pushing on surveillance to see if we can get it.
What is the property line, sir?
As of right now, you guys have trespassed many times.
So Springfield Police will be here about five minutes to actually trespass you guys.
We didn't think we were trespassing.
I asked you guys nicely.
Oh, no, no, but we didn't go into the parking lot even.
Isn't this berm municipal property?
I'm sorry, this is our property.
The whole entire grassland is our property.
We asked you guys to please leave.
So if we cross the police, is that okay?
Well, as of right now, Springfield Police are going to come here and probably tell you guys to leave anyway because right here you're not likely to park.
So there's no parking either.
Okay.
I asked you guys nicely.
I think you guys got a job to do, but the entire town is open for you.
But this one spot.
All right, we'll leave.
I didn't know we were breaking the law.
I didn't think that was your property.
And we didn't even step on your parking.
There you go.
Yes, sir.
Well, folks, we're back in our car.
We're going to head back out into the main section of town.
Things are getting a little testy here.
The security guards have told us that this berm, which I thought was municipal property, evidently that's their private property.
I had no idea that I was trespassing and I immediately got off the berm.
I mean, we didn't even go onto the parking lot.
So we are leaving because he threatened to call the police.
We don't want to cause an international incident.
But the question arises, why is there such uber sensitivity about Haitians being employed here?
We've seen it with our own eyes.
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We've spoken to a supervisor at the plant that confirms it.
The cat's out of the bag, Dole.
So I don't think shutting down the media, especially here in the land of the First Amendment, I don't think that's a good PR strategy, but we don't want to spend the night in jail, so off we go.
For Rebel News, I'm David the Menzoid Menzies.
Well, folks, the reason why we came all the way from Toronto was to really find out what is happening in Springfield, Ohio.
Why is there such a huge Haitian migrant influx to this city?
And really, are those rumors about the animals and pets, are they true or are they outrageous allegations?
I think it's an important story.
I hope you agree.
Could you please go to our website, thetruthaboutspringfield.com?
That's thetruthaboutspringfield.com.
All in, Lincoln, and I are probably going to run up expenses of $1,200 for gas, food, and lodging.