Sheila Gunn-Reid and Tom Harris from Canadians for Sensible Climate Policy (CSCP)—backed by Action for Canada—launch a right-wing activist training hub at sensiblechange.ca, mirroring Al Gore’s leftist Climate Reality Project. Using Saul Alinsky’s tactics, they mobilize "Pathfinders" like Danielle Mayo and Mindy Thomas to disrupt Ottawa’s climate policies, exposing flaws such as $25B annual carbon tax costs by 2030 and child labor in Congo cobalt mines. A 2022 Hague brief by physicists Happer, Koonin, and Lindzen calls IPCC claims unscientific, warning net-zero could cause mass starvation. Gunn-Reid frames this as a fight against leftist overreach, urging resistance to bills like C-59 and Trudeau’s inflation-fueled green mandates, which they argue threaten Canada’s economy and free speech. [Automatically generated summary]
I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're watching The Gunn Show.
Did you know that every single year Al Gore brings climate radicals to Tennessee to train them how to be climate activists,
to advance public policy on issues of the climate scare?
They are taught speaking techniques.
They are taught how to turn up at public hearings to advance Al Gore's and Times agenda.
There's never really been all that much balance or training for the other side to train normal people to show up at town halls to advance the agenda of normalcy, to advance the agenda of life-affirming fossil fuels, how they won't spell the end of the earth.
They will help us live longer than ever before.
Why hasn't anybody really thought about doing this in an organized way before?
Well, thankfully, somebody has.
That is my friend Tom Harris from the International Climate Science Coalition Canada.
And he joins me today to talk about a new organization he's been working with to replicate something he did in the city of Ottawa to other towns and cities and possibly across the country.
Take a listen.
I wanted to have Tom on to bring us up to speed on a new initiative he's working on.
And we were talking off air about how we need to lead politicians sort of in the right direction sometimes.
They don't really know what we care about until we tell them.
One of the things that made Ralph Klein so successful was he said, show me which way the parade is marching and I'll jump in front of it and lead it.
And so as citizens, we have to do that.
We saw this with Pierre Polyev.
He didn't really say anything about parents' rights until there were parents' rights rallies all across the country.
He knew that all of a sudden his voters cared about this stuff.
He had to be told.
And so part of what Tom's doing, if I understand correctly, and he'll tell us, is that he is helping citizens tell politicians that they want sensible climate policy.
Tom, thanks for coming on the show.
Tell us about this new group that just launched in Canada and your role within it.
Yeah, sure.
It's a group called Canadians for Sensible Climate Policy, which sounds like a pretty sensible group at CSCP.
And their website is sensiblechange.ca, sensiblechange.ca.
You know, they are an interesting group because what they're trying to do is not reinvent the wheel and do what we're already doing with Friends of Science and ICSC Canada.
They actually have a website that acts as kind of a pool where it pulls together great sources of information from all sorts of places.
And what you do and what we're encouraging people to do is to register as a Pathfinder because on their homepage, there's a button you can click and it says register as Pathfinder.
And once you become a Pathfinder, you will be directed eventually through artificial intelligence to all kinds of information that relates to what you are personally interested in.
And this is one of the things that really attracted me to CSCP.
They're actually working to help people.
So, when you actually register as a policy as a Pathfinder, it asks you various questions.
What are your interests in different things?
And what do you believe about certain things?
And that thing is stored by the system.
And the long-term result will be that those people are forwarded information that supports the things they're interested in.
And, you know, they're trying to actually change the information that's available to the public, okay, to give them a fair amount of information that will allow them to actually fight back and understand what's really going on.
And I'll just read a couple of their objectives.
CSCP's website enables a curious surfer to access directly all of the Bangladesh websites that offer realistic evidence about the present state of climate in all regions of the globe.
And here's the thing that really attracted me: CSCP, that's Canadians for Sensible Climate Policy, provides training and coaching to those informed Canadians who are willing to speak out on the topic of whether the elimination of fossil fuels will achieve a benign climate in 2100, which of course it won't.
And, you know, the statistics they give here is they say the federal government and custodians of our savings and investment wealth are telling Canadians the upfront cost of implementing net zero at 2050 will be between $50,000 and $90,000 per person.
Okay.
Now, that's more money than presently exists in our public pension funds.
Now, one of the things that really got them interested in me was what they had been doing in Ottawa.
And, you know, it was interesting because it turned out that Ottawa, like Calgary, there's an insane climate plan.
And, you know, basically people didn't know about it.
So I made a point through you, you know, Rebel News and also through America Outlook and other Epoch Times, other sources, starting to inform people.
But like you said at the beginning, what really matters to the politicians is where the parade is going.
And so I worked with a number of Ottawa ones who were very keen on, you know, actually starting to lead the parade and actually push the parade in a certain direction.
And we have some video clips, which I think were the things that got CSCP interested in contracting me to actually work with them on helping educate Pathfinders across Canada, eventually to begin with, across Ontario.
So the first one here actually is Danielle Mayo.
Okay, she's a French Canadian lady.
And she took a question that I worked on with her and she personalized it.
And this is really important.
You have to own the question.
It's not just a matter of reading the script from somebody else's question.
Okay.
It's true that I helped her.
I got the information for her and coached her.
But at the same time, she took the question and she changed it to be her question.
I'm a mother, I'm a grandmother.
So yeah, we'll play it right now.
And you can see what I mean when I say a person who takes a question and makes it theirs.
The city of Ottawa plans to back up its wind and solar power using a huge amount of batteries.
But we all know batteries are made using cobalt, mined by children, 40 to 100,000 children in the Congo.
This is destructive.
The cobalt is then shipped in China.
Again, disrupting human rights.
The price tag is very hefty.
I'm a mother, I'm a grandmother, and I do not want to pay that price.
Is Ottawa ready to support this?
The next person I want to show you, it was interesting.
It was another mayoral debate.
These are male debates that happened in the city of Ottawa a couple of years ago during our mayoral election.
And it's quite curious because she went to the microphone.
You can tell she was a former teacher.
Okay.
And it's great to have teachers on staff, not on staff, but on our side because they actually ask questions that are very clear and easy to understand.
And we'll play that one next because what it actually showed is the discomfort of the politician when absolutely ludicrous policies are pointed out by the question.
So I won't say anymore.
I'll just let that particular one play because she talks about, when are you going to put 710 industrial wind turbines taller than the Peace Tower?
And then watch the answer from the leading candidate for mayor who was an extreme climate activist.
That's Catherine McKinney.
And you can see how these questions start to underride her authority or credibility.
In Ontario, there must be a distance of over half a kilometer from a wind turbine to a residential dwelling.
Where is Ottawa going to put 710 industrial wind turbines taller than the Peace Tower?
And what about the millions of birds and bats that these turbines kill?
After all, one wind farm in California has killed thousands of golden eagles.
Okay, candidate McKinney.
Thank you.
So I don't believe that there is space in the city for a massive amount of wind turbines.
I just don't.
I know that it's part of energy evolution.
I know it's part of the plan, but I guess perhaps the way I framed it the last time, I really don't see it as being a substantive part of the plan.
I don't honestly see wind farms occurring in the city.
I think that we have other ways of, you know, like we have other ways of moving away from fossil fuels.
We have other ways of reducing our greenhouse gases and making sure that we have better energy products without wind.
The candidate McKinney actually backed off on wind turbines.
She said, oh, well, it's not really that big a part of the plan.
That's what it was.
These people have never actually thought about what their stupid ideas mean to the people that have to live with them.
And that's what that lady did, is she made Catherine McKenney, who I think part of these debates really did nuke her candidacy for mayor.
She was a favorite.
They're saying, oh, you know, we're going to save the earth.
We're going to build all these wind turbines.
And then the little people who have to live underneath these three armed crucifixes, you know, they, when they say, hey, I have to live underneath that droning noise and light, you know, shove it back in their faces.
McKenney's not going to have to live underneath these things.
Well, yeah, exactly.
Especially for people in rural areas.
You know, this is the water that is in East, or sorry, West Lincoln.
Yeah, West Lincoln, Ontario.
What happened is the water was pristine for generations, but when they drove the piles through into the black shale, which was under the water table, it broke the black shale into the water table.
And now it's not, you can't drink it.
So, I mean, there's kinds of problems with wind turbines.
And, you know, people say, oh, it's way out in the country.
You know, it's not going to bother anybody.
Well, no, actually, some of those aquifers are huge.
And you start busting the black shale into the.
By the way, it was Chatham.
That's right.
This is from Chatham, Chatham, Ontario.
But the other thing, of course, is the infrasound.
You know, the low frequency sound that penetrates solid walls goes right through your body, makes people sick, makes people dizzy, heart palpitations, all kinds of things.
So, yeah, when you start having average citizens start to speak out and say, I'm not so sure about this.
So, she backed off in that last answer that we were just watching.
She backed off.
And, you know, the fact is, she actually contradicted herself because wind turbines are a major part of Ottawa's plans.
In fact, it's three times as much as solar.
So, the I so you have to sort of ask yourself, she's kind of giggling.
She says, Oh, haha, you know, I don't really think they're going to play a major role.
Well, you say, then why did you pass the climate change master plan and the energy evolution that make a major role?
You know, yep.
Now, the next one is that same teacher who actually spoke at a committee meeting.
You could do it by Zoom, and she did it by Zoom.
And I love her question because you can see one of the counselors, Kavanaugh, I guess her name is, she kind of smiles because she realizes that the questioner caught them.
Okay, so I won't say anymore, but it's not very clear video because of the fact that she was doing it from home.
But the audio is completely clear.
And being a teacher, of course, it's very easy to understand.
But I think it's worth playing that because it shows how, yeah, you think it's such a great idea.
Why don't you do it?
And then tell us how good it is.
Can you tell us about any other city of a million or more population that has successfully followed the sort of transportation-related climate and energy plans being planned for Ottawa?
If no such example exists, why not carry out a pilot study on a small subset of Ottawa's population, perhaps composed of the members of this committee or city employees who are promoting the plan?
Such a study would entail all participants switching over to an electric vehicle and an electric home, heating, and only commuting by transit, walking, and cycling.
Participants could also commit to retrofitting their homes in accordance with the plans the city now wants us all to follow.
Then, after a reasonable timeframe, they could report to the committee their experiences during the trial period to better inform you on the likely real impacts of cities' plans, where they are to be carried out on the whole of Ottawa.
If a student were to approach me with suggestions that the class switch over to a radically new way of learning, I would ask, have you tried it yourself?
If their answer was no, then I would tell them to try it out and let me know how things went.
Similarly, I ask this committee to do your homework before further considering compelling the whole city to radically change the way we live.
Thank you.
Thank you very much for your delegation.
Supporting Quiet Agreement00:05:53
I'm just seeing if any committee members have questions.
It doesn't appear so.
Thank you for being here.
So, I mean, that's the question, eh?
If the actual committee members are not prepared to do the things themselves that they want all of us to do, you have to say, like this teacher said, she said, look, if a student had a new idea and it was radically transforming the way we learned, ask them, you tried it out yourself.
And if the answer was no, she'd send them away to do their homework.
And, you know, that kind of answer is that kind of question, of course, is ideal.
Now, the last video I wanted to show is interesting because to be a Pathfinder, it just means that you're getting information.
Okay.
It doesn't mean that you have to speak out.
But what you can do then is you can stay up to date on the field and you can support those who do speak out.
And that's why I included the next little video clip.
The next video clip is the conclusion of my delegation to the Ottawa City Environment and Climate Change Committee.
Now, remember, these meetings are not supposed to have a cheerleading crowd.
They're supposed to be very quiet.
The audience isn't supposed to say anything at all, and yet we oh man, there must have been at least three dozen supporters.
I I did not organize this okay, they just heard I was giving a delegation and 36 or 40, I don't know brave souls showed up and they broke all the committee rules and they cheered and whistled and everything else.
At the end of my delegation and that again is just like what you said about Klein the counselors say, oh wow, I guess lots of people agree with that, So let's play that one.
And I think people will get a kick out of the reaction in what was supposed to be a very quiet, polite audience that don't react.
We'd be pleased to meet with any of you personally and to present our findings to a committee or to the full council.
We're convinced that following Ottawa's plans will leave us bankrupt, hungry, and freezing in the dark for no environmental benefit.
I look forward to your comments and questions.
Okay, thank you very much.
So there we go.
I mean, you can actually go and support other people who are speaking out.
So register to be a Pathfinder, click on the button, fill in the link, and you'll be actually given information by CSCP to help you learn about the field, but also to go and help people who are prepared to speak out.
Okay.
I mean, I think that is the key is that we have to show them support.
If you, you know, it's interesting, if you go to a party and you're the one person saying this unusual thing, it doesn't go over so well.
But if everybody says, yeah, I agree, I agree.
Yeah, whoever's listening is going to take it much more seriously.
So, I mean, this is one of Alinsky's rules.
You know, Saul Lewinsky wrote rules for radicals.
And, you know, it's interesting that, I mean, that's how the left took over our institutions.
If you read Rules for Radicals, it's the playbook.
Hillary Clinton did her graduating thesis on Saul Olinski.
So we have to use the same tactics.
And one of them is if your group's small, you have to raise a din.
You have to make a lot of noise.
You have to actually get meetings and cheer for people who say what you think is correct.
Okay.
And it gives the impression that you're much bigger than you are.
But in many cases, you are a big group.
Most people just don't speak out.
I think, Sheila, that there's been a complacency on the part of a lot of conservatives over the last few decades.
I mean, they were on the inside.
And well, now they're not.
It's the other side that's on the inside.
So you should use Alinsky's rules to fight back against them.
Well, and, you know, I think people have really learned the rule, the lesson of the convoy, right?
There were a lot of people who generally felt alone.
They felt like maybe I'm crazy for thinking that the lines on the grocery store don't prevent COVID, that it only goes counterclockwise or something like that.
And, you know, there were people who were scared to speak out, but then Tamara Leach stood up and then people piled out onto the overpasses to greet the trucks and the trucks kept rolling and the trucks kept rolling.
And then tens of thousands of people are on the streets of Ottawa saying, you know what?
No more.
And it does take one person to stand up, one person to be that Tamara Leach.
And everybody knows that it's okay to think differently too.
And I think that's an important psychological effect of this project that you're doing.
Yeah, that's right.
And, you know, one of the other things is that many people are reluctant to go to the microphone in these public events.
They say, well, I won't be first, you know.
Well, no, that's wrong.
You should be first.
There's a couple of reasons for it.
First of all, you break the ice.
You bring up a topic that many people in the audience probably agree with, but are afraid to say.
If you go to the mic early in the discussion period and you say, you know, I don't think this climate change thing is worth spending, you know, $4,000 a year, which is the kind of loss in income that we're talking about, you know, by this net zero stuff.
I mean, for the average family, I calculated that it's something approaching $4,000 per year before tax income that you're going to lose.
And, you know, when someone goes to the mic or calls into a talk radio show early in the program, you find that other people follow.
So, so, I mean, there's a very good strategic reason to get to the mic as soon as possible.
There's also a psychological reason because it's a great relief when you've done it.
And then you sit down and you say, I did my job because this is stressful.
I mean, it is stressful to get up and actually say things that are politically incorrect, even though they're scientifically right.
So it does two things.
It gets you off the hot seat and then you can enjoy the rest of the meeting.
It also breaks the ice and you find other people follow you.
Rogers TV Videotaping Debates00:08:31
So, you know, the thing I did in Ottawa is I read Stanjelinsky's Rules for Radicals.
I'd never read it before, which is pretty negligent on my part, but I read it and I said, wow, this is the blueprint for how we can get back into power, how we can actually start to influence the political process.
And so you'll notice in the videos that I just showed that in many cases, we're employing Sangielinski's rules.
Okay.
One of the things we did, and I think it's really important, is Rogers TV were assigned the job of actually videotaping the debates.
And they were apparently in support of McKinney because there were a couple of questions asked in some of the debates, which made her look really stupid.
I mean, really stupid or dishonest or not doing her job.
So I should say, no, you wouldn't take it out.
You'd leave it in.
And then for sure.
You highlight it.
So Rogers removed it.
And we had seen a little bit of this in the early debates where they didn't show all the questions from the audience.
They chose which questions they would broadcast so that their listeners and viewers would only see what they wanted them to see.
Now, I think that's probably against CRTC Reels.
I mean, if you have a, you know, I think if you have a mandate or a contract, whatever they had to end the debates, I mean, I don't think you're allowed to censor them.
Here's the question.
There was one question that was asked.
It was really good.
It was by Mindy Thomas.
And happily, we thought this might happen, the censorship.
So one of our friends actually videotaped himself the debates.
And we put those links, and they're actually on our website.
We put links to the videos that we captured to show what questions Rogers censored out.
And, you know, here's something to give you, if you'll get a kick out of not that many people watch community TV.
So I mean, if Rogers, no, if Rogers TV had broadcast it, you know, maybe 500 people in the city would have seen those inconvenient questions.
But that is enough to flip some districts.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
But what we did was this, and this was actually quite fun, actually.
We took the videos, we put them on our website, and then I read an article for PJ Media about the censorship.
Now, PJ Media gets about 5 million readers a month.
And we estimated that there were tens of thousands of people that saw the censored videos because they were censored, because people want to see what they're not allowed to see.
So they kind of shot.
Oh, yeah.
So people were saying, well, what was the questions that we weren't allowed to see?
So we estimate that probably 100 times more people saw the questions that were censored than would have seen it if they weren't censored.
Yeah.
So now the thing I have to emphasize is these Ottawans are self-motivated people.
A number of them are from Action for Canada.
Okay.
Action for Canada, amazing group under Tanya Gaw, go to actionforcanada.com.
So they were doing these things on their own to a large extent, but I mean, I helped them out in the background.
I didn't have to push, though, because they were, they were going anyway.
So, what CSCP want to do is they want to replicate this.
Oh, and by the way, I should tell you the question that was canceled, or at least one of them anyway.
Catherine McKenney, in an effort to get the wind turbine issue, because it came up again after the lady we just saw, she said, well, wind turbines are not a major part of the plan.
It's mainly solar and energy distribution.
Well, she said things that didn't make any sense.
So, Mindy Thomas went to the microphone and she read the quote.
And then she said for McKenney, she said, that is deceptive and wrong.
It is wrong because the distribution issue has nothing to do with the source.
It's just how you distribute the energy.
And it's deceptive because unlike what you said about minimizing wind, it's not much of the plan.
It's triple the plan for solar.
It's a massive part of the plan.
So here's the question that Mindy asked.
And this applies one of Alinsky's rules, which is two rules, actually.
One is ridicule.
Okay.
Ridicule stings.
It really stings and it's worth doing.
And the other is to personalize it.
In other words, not just say the city voted for something that was crazy.
You say you voted for something.
That's right.
So the question that Mindy Thomas asked, she said, after reading McKenney's quote and then saying what was really in the plan, which was totally different, did you vote for a $57 billion plan with reason?
Great.
And of course, the audience went, ooh, wow.
And she danced around, didn't want to answer the question at all.
And, you know, so that sort of thing uses Alinsky's rules.
It uses common sense, basically, and holds the politician personally accountable.
So what CSCP wants to do is when people fill in the Pathfinder form, as I say, they go into a database.
And when we start to teach people, I'll be actually teaching people not only the science and the economics and policy and stuff, but I'll also be teaching them how to be effective in public events, public speaking, that sort of thing.
Some of them, you know, the more advanced Pathfinders are called trailblazers, and they're people who will actually give presentations themselves.
Okay.
And so we'll be helping, you know, CSCP will be helping provide them with slides and that sort of thing.
So there's actually a fair similarity between this and Al Gore's climate reality project.
You know, in Al Gore's case, people go to Tennessee and they're trained to be speakers.
Well, if CSCP is successful, and I really hope it is, because if we spread what happened in Ottawa and we do it in other cities across Canada, CSCP has the potential to totally change the direction of the climate debate in Canada.
And, you know, one of the objectives here is to actually stop these Marxist policies that are coming through.
You know, CSCP believe that if they don't stop them by January 2025, and I'm talking about things like the Climate Aligned Finance Act, the Senate S-243, we're also talking about Bill C59, the greenwashing, you know, and companies are just paranoid about that.
Weren't you saying that a lot of them are just caving in?
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, I wanted to talk to you about that.
But I'm just so happy to see that you are focusing on municipal politics when you do this.
But I think maybe the municipal politics is the training ground to roll this out.
Maybe as we approach the next election, is that why you're doing this now?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, that's a good point.
And also, you've spoken with Michelle quite a lot about this CSSB, the Canadian Sustainable Standards Board.
I mean, they are ludicrous financial standards that will radically change the way we do business in Canada.
You know, a crazy example is a farmer who grows potatoes.
Not only does he have to account for the greenhouse gas emissions that he emits when he, you know, or she farms the potato, they have to look at what are called scope two emissions, which are how is the electricity provided to them?
What are the emissions produced there?
But, and here's the thing that's really crazy and puts Canada at a massive disadvantage because the U.S. aren't doing this.
It's what are called scope three emissions.
How is the potato used?
Okay, how does the it's crazy because it actually makes the farmer responsible to account for how the consumer gets to the shopping center to buy the potato and how they cook the potato, what they do with the bag they got the potato in.
I mean, the farmer will be held responsible for this.
Now, the big impact, of course, will be on the oil and gas industry because they have to then account for how their products are used, you know, which is virtually an impossible administrative nightmare.
I mean, it's going to cost huge amounts.
And of course, the big consulting companies love it because they have great computer models that can forecast approximately how much scope three emissions are going to do.
So it's going to make them an absolute fortune.
But yeah, so the main objective I would say over of CSCP is to gain public support and following and speaking out to end net zero by 2050 completely.
Because net zero is a death knoll for not only the oil and gas industry, but for all of us, because we rely on the oil and gas industry for our survival.
Investigation Into Greenwashing00:07:17
Yeah.
No, I wanted to talk to you about Bill C59 because you just touched on it.
And that is the anti-greenwashing bill.
But really, as Premier Daniel Smith has said, it's a gag order on oil patch and anybody who says nice things about life-affirming fossil fuels, which includes you.
And they're doing this through the Competition Act.
They're saying that, you know, it's false advertising to say that fossil fuels save lives because they do.
Just try living without them.
But what we're seeing now, the panic in the oil patch, by the way, you touched on this also.
Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers pulls down their website, folds turtles, leaves the battle to people like you, Friends of Saudi Pathways Alliance 2.
They shut her down and then they say the little guy, basically the battlefield is now Tom Harris's, Robbie Picard's, Michelle Sterling's battlefield.
These guys have millions of dollars and all the big paid lawyers, and it's your problem all of a sudden.
But you have been fighting with the left, the green left, at the Competition Bureau before.
They did this to Michelle Sterling once.
They did this to you once.
My Competition Bureau here.
Yeah, they went after us.
We were accused.
Now, the Competition Bureau didn't have to launch an investigation.
They could have said that this is stupid.
This is stupid.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We were accused of lying to the public to please our donors.
Now, of course, that didn't make any sense because, first of all, our donors are confidential.
Nobody knows who donates to us.
We don't want to inflict on our donors hate mail and death threats and things like that that our scientists get.
So the next thing we're going to do is say who funded us.
But the other thing, of course, is we don't lie to the public.
We say what we think is true.
So, you know, and it's funny because Chris Essex, who is one of the advisors of ICSC, he actually said, look, the Competition Act doesn't apply to the marketplace of ideas.
You know, I mean, it shouldn't be applied to that.
It's for things like, if you say, oh, my toothpaste, you know, it stops cancer.
Right.
Or my competitors' toothpaste causes cancer.
I mean, those kinds of things are part of the Competition Act, and that makes a lot of sense.
And so what happened in my case was they launched an investigation, strangely.
And, you know, I got email, I got letters, registered mail, you know, saying, keep all your records.
Tell all of your contractors to keep all their records.
Make sure that nothing is deleted.
This is a serious investigation.
And of course, they talk about all the possible penalties, which are pretty severe.
And nothing happened.
And then I get another letter saying, you're still under investigation.
So the man of it was the.
Penalty is the process, because that process yeah, that process went on for 15 months until eventually they just dropped it.
But when they dropped it, they said, rest assured that this can be reopened at any time.
Now it is interesting, Sheila.
I'd been operating with ICSC since 2008.
It was only a few months after Justin Trudeau came in that this Competition Bureau, uh threat against us and friends of science and others uh, that that all came in, you know, three months or something after he Gave came in as prime minister.
Now there's supposed to be an independent bureau, but it's kind of coincidental that I could operate for seven years and never have it go out, have the Competition Bureau go after us, but then, as soon as Justin comes in bam, you know, you're under investigation.
I didn't do anything.
Fortunately, I was advised by a lawyer, look, don't fight back, don't aggravate them, don't do anything.
Eventually they'll conclude they have more important things to do, more realistic things to do, and they'll drop it and they did.
You know.
People can look up though, on the web, and i'll i'll send you the link.
Um, Anthony Fury, who was at the SUN Media Chain at the time.
Yeah, he thought this was something that was worth publicizing after it was closed.
So we did, we.
I wrote an article called Big Brother watched me Was Right in 1984, and he got it published from, you know, an ALL OF Sunshine which i'm sure gave him a bit of a black eye.
Probably somebody inside the Competition Bureau said, what the heck I mean?
You know, this is a useful agency if it's used properly right, not like this.
Yeah, they went after Friends OF Science for saying that perhaps the big burning ball of gas in the sky plays a role in the heating and the cooling of the planet.
And then they went after Friends OF Science for that.
Who went after you again?
Which green was the Competition Bureau oh, was.
You know who filed the complaint?
Well, it's signed by deputy commissioner of competition.
Well, that's the one that was the discontinuity, discontinuance of an inquiry.
And the first one was, you know, the big one, the letters with all of this commencement of an inquiry pursuant to section nine of the competition act blah blah, blah, you know that, with the penalties and everything that was signed by assistant deputy commissioner, commissioner of competition.
Um, so they were very official about it.
Yes, so actually I learned a bit, you know.
I guess I could write my own 1984.
Yeah, you're pretty stressed out.
I was actually at the Paris climate agreement and this thing came out and I actually called the Competition Bureau personally on the phone I said, you know i'm kind of worried about this because I know this is very serious, but you know we're not lying.
Nobody knows who our donors are and they were kind of nice on the phone but they continued the investigation for 15 months.
You know, I just want to say one thing quickly, and that is why CSCP is important right now.
Yes, please.
There is a huge window of opportunity right now because in the European Union, there have been a big backpedaling on the climate issue.
A lot of people are starting to question it.
And you probably noticed there was a huge loss of power by the green parties.
And, you know, so people are starting to become a lot more practical.
And I think that is a really good thing.
There's another thing, and that was, of course, the federal carbon tax.
And here's the total price tag.
They're saying now that, well, the government's own agency said that by 2030, the adverse impact of the carbon tax and clean fuel standards is more than $25 billion a year.
Okay, that's another one.
And this one here, and this is worth actually spending a minute on, if you don't mind.
Three of the world's most renowned physicists, okay, William Happer, Koonin, and Richard Lindzen, they wrote a brief to the Hague Court of Appeals.
And this is available on the CSCP website.
It's well worth reading.
And they concluded, and again, these are some of the most renowned physicists in the world.
They said the UNIPCC is not a scientific organization because it does not follow the scientific method.
And here's what they said.
In our opinion, the district court of The Hague findings that quote dangers on quote climate change and extreme weather are caused by CO2 emissions from fossil fuels are contradicted by the scientific method and only supported by the unscientific methods of government opinion, consensus, peer-reviewed, and cherry-picked or falsified data.
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I mean, you can't get more definite than that.
They're saying the whole thing is wrong.
And they're saying the results would include mass starvation if we try to get to net zero.
The biggest consequences being on the poor.
Now, all 27 pages of that briefing to the Hague court is on the website at sensiblechange.ca.
So I really, really encourage people to take a look.
So, you know, with leading experts speaking out, with the public starting to say, I don't know about this, and massive defeat for the Green Party, this is a great opportunity for CSCP to actually get going.
And to take what I did in Ottawa and what the citizens here did, because as I say, some of them didn't require any push from me, you know, like that 36 or 40 or whatever that came and gave the applause after I spoke.
That's a big surprise, actually.
You know, I thought, oh, I'm going to get booed here.
You know, it was wonderful.
So yeah, average citizens properly trained, you know, very motivated, very brave.
And that's where Action for Canada people are wonderful because they have this built-in armory.
You know, they feel they're protected, of course, by God.
So they go up and they, you know, it's interesting.
Danielle Mayo, I'll just tell you a real quick story about her.
She was the first video I showed.
I said to her afterwards, because remember, this isn't even her first language.
For her to go to the mic and do that is pretty awesome.
I said to her, wow, where did you get the courage to do that?
And she said, well, before I went to the microphone, I left the room and I called a friend and we prayed together.
So when she went to the mic, she was completely centered and she nailed them really hard.
And there isn't time, of course, to show the counselors' answers.
But I mean, McKenney was very uncomfortable.
What's she going to say?
Oh, we don't care about the children.
We're going to electrify the city.
Or is she going to say, oh, I guess we're not going to electrify the city?
And, you know, Aram Singh, who was another candidate, he said, I'm not going to lie to you, but I don't know.
So, yeah, I mean, I think that all of this demonstrates that we can win.
We just have to have the courage to do it right.
Well, and I think there's a huge opportunity as we approach the 2025 federal election here in Canada.
Because I think it was leger polling a couple of months ago.
The number one issue for young people, of course it's not climate change.
It's never been climate change.
No matter what the media or the liberals, but I'm probably repeating myself by making a distinction there.
What they say, it's affordability.
Young people. are saying, I am never going to be able to afford what my parents have.
And if somebody is out there personalizing the issue with the microphone and putting together these wacky climate policies and how they affect you and pick your pocket, it will change hearts and minds of young people because they are struggling with affordability.
You need to tell them the cause of the affordability crisis.
Right.
Yeah.
Well, that's interesting because so many people tell me, oh, I'm not interested in climate change.
I'm interested in buying a house.
I'm interested.
I'm not interested in you.
Yeah.
And you say, yeah, well, then you better be interested in climate change because at least climate change policy because that's going to stop you from owning a house.
That's going to massively, you know, cripple yourself financially.
And, you know, the climate issue has permeated through so many areas in our society.
I mean, it's really sick.
It's affecting safety.
It's affecting all kinds of things, you know, that people don't see on the surface.
It's changing the building code, which makes houses more expensive.
It changes land use bylaws, which makes building that house more expensive, permitting the house more expensive, electrifying the house more expensive.
Everything that a young person sees when they just want to starter home.
Add tens and tens and tens of thousands of dollars onto the top of that house after Justin Trudeau's inflationary policies.
That's what climate change policies do to the young people.
Well, totally.
And one of the questions that Rogers canceled out actually gave the numbers, the actual cost, and then it gave the impact for 0.00001 degrees.
And the person said to the candidates for mayor, Jay Nara, a very good outspoken person, bodybuilder, so nobody was going to challenge him.
He said, so you're expecting Iwans to pay billions and billions and billions of dollars, you know, bankrupting them, making they can't afford all sorts of normal things for a one ten thousandth of one degree change in 100 years?
Like, what the heck?
And of course, Rogers took that out.
And of course, we publicized it.
Yeah, we publicized the heck out of it.
So, I mean, we're not just going to have, you know, CSCP obviously is, it has a lot on the science, but as much as anything, it has a lot on the finance.
And that's where I actually encourage people, go to sensiblechange.ca and take a look because they actually talk about the impact on the next generation and it will cripple us financially.
You'll never own a home if they get through with all of this different stuff.
Tom, I could talk to you forever.
Both you and I are back from respective camping trips and we need to get caught up on our regular work.
Yeah, I'm all sunburned here.
Me too.
Tell us how people can stay on top of the work that you're doing at International Climate Science Coalition Canada, where they can hear your podcast at America Out Loud, find some of your other work.
Let us know.
Yeah, for sure.
For the podcast, it's pretty straightforward.
You just go to AmericaOutLoud.news, AmericaOutLoud.news, and you click on podcasts and you click down.
You look at the other side of the story, you know, and I've had you on there actually.
And it was fun.
I now have a new co-host.
His name's Todd Royal.
Nobody's going to ever replace Jay Lair.
Sadly, of course, he died a year and a half ago.
Yeah.
But Todd Royal is my new co-host.
And Todd is an energy expert from Texas.
He's also a former actor.
Okay.
He actually was in Hollywood.
And so he's a wonderful guy to have on.
You know, I might go through all the facts.
He goes through the empathy and, you know, I understand how you feel.
So it's a good combination.
Our website is icsc-canada.com.
But I really, really direct people to sensiblechange.ca because quite frankly, I think that with that particular project that I'm working with them on to help train people in other parts of Canada, I think that's going to become my major activity, Sheila.
I think so too.
I think it's exactly what the other side of the climate debate, our side of the climate debate needs.
We know that they have summer training camps for the left.
And we're just too busy going to work and maybe getting in the odd camping trip because who can afford an actual vacation in Justin Trudeau's Canada.
But they have summer training camps to equipped these people with the tools to direct public policy.
And we're just going to work and struggling to pay the bills.
And, you know, it's really rewarding.
I mean, there was one particular public event that I couldn't go to, but a number of the people that were, you know, sort of in our team, it was a kind of loose team.
They said they went.
Okay.
So we had about six, six people go and they called me and we had a joint phone call and it was like kids in a candy shop.
They were so excited to say, oh, we did this.
And then I got up and supported him.
And we all sat separately.
So nobody knew that we were related in any way.
And we just totally crashed the meeting.
And, you know, you could actually have a lot of fun doing this stuff, especially if you're as brave as Action for Canada.
So it's very rewarding for me.
It's kind of like when, you know, when your daughter or your son does something fantastic that you help them learn how to do, like your daughter of playing rugby.
I mean, yeah, it really makes you feel good.
And when I see people that I've helped train and just take the world by storm, I think, oh, man, that is so great.
Especially when, you know, it's people very different to me who bring their own sort of touch to it.
I mean, that would be just really neat.
And that's why I really like Danielle Mayo's approach.
Yeah, I remember during the Northern Gateway pipeline hearings, the left had this strategy of mobbing the mic.
They would show up at all the hearings and it was called Mob the Mic.
They would monopolize the mic and our side didn't even show up.
Like they're over there taking the mic, directing public policy, creating this image that there are a lot more of them than of us because they were louder and we didn't even show up.
So hopefully your initiative and your work on this inspires people to engage in public activism, public policy, and not just holding a sign and marching in the streets, but going and speaking truth to power to these politicians.
Because let me tell you, that is part of my job here.
And that hit of adrenaline you feel before you hold a politician to account, the politician is feeling it way worse.
Why?
Because they have never had to face a person whose policies will hurt.
Oh, yeah.
They've never had to answer for their policies to the people directly affected by them.
They don't like you being at the public hearings.
So go to the public hearings and make them comfortable.
That's right.
That's right.
So go to sensible, sorry, get it right here.
Sensiblechange.ca and register to be a Pathfinder.
It doesn't commit you to having to do anything, but it means you'll be kept informed.
And, you know, we can win.
And we demonstrated in Ottawa.
I mean, it had a big impact on the election.
I'm not saying that we caused McKinney to lose, but boy, we had a contribution.
And McKenney caused McKenney to lose.
Exactly.
She wanted to spend a quarter of a billion dollars on bike paths at the same time where they were turning people away from drug rehab centers.
You know, so I mean, yeah, she shot herself in the foot in so many ways.
But these people, very brave.
And I just hats off to them.
They're just wonderful bunch of people.
Well, I think you're a wonderful bunch of people too, Tom.
Thank you so much for coming on the show.
Thanks for the work that you do advocating for families just like mine.
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Today's viewer feedback actually comes from the YouTube comments.
It comes on last week's show with my friend Robbie Picard from Oil Sand Strong about Justin Trudeau's gag order on the oil patch you might not have heard about.
It's called Bill C-59 and it uses the Competition Bureau to silence what the liberals describe as greenwashing.
By greenwashing, they mean saying actual true things about the oil patch.
Basically, they're saying it's false advertising.
If you say that fossil fuels are life-affirming, that the oil patch has reduced emissions 30% over recent years, that you will die without having fossil fuels in your life, that perhaps maybe even that they won't spell the end of all humankind.
And that's not even something that the oil patch would be so radical as to say.
They usually just sort of go along with the green agenda by buying wind turbines and saying, look at us, we're Sun Core.
We're so green we have wind turbines.
Well, look at that.
It didn't save them anyway.
The oil patch capitulated to the censorship, as you know in the show, from my discussion with Tom Harris today.
But Robbie is not one to be silenced, as you know.
In fact, it's very difficult to get a word in edge-wise with my friend Rob Viva card.
But anyway, the comments are from Robbie on the show last week, and the comment is from Alcobum.
As you can tell, I take a lot of these at random.
I'm not screening you by username folks out there.
Alcobum or Alchobum says, if the oil and gas industry went on strike, no oil, no gas or gasoline, no chemicals, no a lot of things, and said mere production and delivery shows the benefits of oil and gas, of course, and will lead us to being sued, sanctioned, and fined under Bill C-59.
Therefore, we have no choice but to shut down.
Have a wonderful day.
Soon, no fuel for Trudeau to jet around.
Yeah, I mean, what did Ralph Klein say?
I'm not even sure it was Ralph Klein, but he sort of got the credit for it.
Let the Eastern Bastards Freeze in the Dark.
It's a great idea in theory, but if oil and gas production stopped, advocates like me and you and all the normal people who need fuel to get to work to stay alive, to electrify our homes, to freeze our groceries that we bought on sale because they're trying to fight inflation.
We would pay the price.
If we could just turn off the fuel for Justin Trudeau, that would be one thing.
But if we turn off the fuel, we turn off the fuel for all of us, and including the oil and gas jobs, right?
Turn off the pumps.
Our husbands, our fathers, our sisters, our mothers, they don't go to work either in the oil patch, but also anywhere else.
So great in theory if we can only get Justin Trudeau to stop jetting around.
But unfortunately, it's all of us too.
I think the only thing that we can do is mass resistance to this nonsense.
Don't let people like Tom and Michelle Sterling and Robbie Picard fight Justin Trudeau's censorship alone.
We must all speak up.
You know, I'm Spartacus.
No, I'm Spartacus.
No, I'm Spartacus.
They can't silence us all.
So let us all speak up.
Even if you don't care about the oil patch, maybe you care about freedom, truth, reality.
Stand up, speak out against Bill C-59.
Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight.
Thank you so much for tuning in.
I'll see everybody back here in the same place next week, possibly the same time.