Ezra Levant dissects his exclusive interview with Geert Wilders, whose PVV party won 2.5 million votes (24% of the Dutch election) on December 1st, reshaping European politics. Wilders prioritizes slashing immigration and asylum seekers, redirecting funds from climate/nitrogen policies to tax cuts, and rejects military aid for Ukraine, favoring negotiations instead. His pro-Israel stance—despite liberal backlash—frames the Israel-Hamas conflict as ideological, warning Western cities could face similar threats if Jerusalem falls. Levant contrasts Wilders’ boldness with Canada’s establishment parties, like the NDP’s Ben Aldritt, reinstated despite prostitution sting ties, and Pierre Poilievre’s lack of immigration reform, suggesting Wilders’ rise signals a global shift against elite policies. [Automatically generated summary]
I'm going to go through that Geert Wilderss interview line by line now because I had so many things to say in the moment, but I didn't want to say it because I wanted maximum talk time for Wilders himself.
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Tonight, going over the interview here at Builders line by line, I've got some more thoughts to share with you.
It's December 1st, and this is the Esmeraldant show.
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Occasionally, I like to travel to foreign destinations when there's news that we can learn from for here in Canada.
For example, the massive street battles of the pro-Hamas activists in London, England.
I think that's very interesting to us here, related to, for example, when earlier this year I went to Marseille, France, where they had Muslim riots against the French government.
I think there's things we can learn from here when it comes to mass immigration without integration.
And over the last few days, as you may know, I was in the Netherlands, a great European country with deep ties to Canada, by the way.
We helped liberate them during the Second World War.
They had a shockwave in their latest parliamentary elections.
Geert Wilders, the leader of the Party for Freedom, shocked the country and I think himself by coming in first by a country mile.
And I was delighted to be the first Westerner, pardon me, the first non-Dutch journalist to talk to him about it.
That's sort of neat.
And he did allude in our conversation to the fact that Rebel News is independent citizen journalism, which he said is very important to contrarian non-conformist parties like his.
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I showed you the whole interview last night, and I hope you thought it was interesting.
I knew I only had 15 minutes to talk to him because they jammed us in at the last minute between other appointments he had, and he really was extracted from that room one minute later.
You know how I am sometimes in interviews.
I say a long thesis and I say to the interviewee, what do you think?
I didn't want to do that in this.
I mean, I should never do that, really.
But I really wanted to get maximum talk time for him, maximum time for him to say.
And I wanted to cover certain issues, not just go deep on some of them.
So what I thought I would do today is play a question and an answer from our tight interview and then give you some thoughts afterwards.
That is, to give you some thoughts that I would have said had we had half an hour instead of 15 or 20 minutes.
Here, take a look.
First of all, congratulations.
You looked genuinely surprised by the result.
Yes, I was.
And not in a way that we won some parliamentary seats, but, you know, I hoped and I predicted that if we went from 17 to 25, we would have an excellent result.
But it was not 25 or 37.
You know, one out of four Dutchmen voted for my party, which was an earthquake in Dutch and maybe also European politics.
So of course I'm very pleased and grateful to all those Dutch citizens and voters, almost two and a half million people who voted for my party.
And that's an enormous compliment.
Now it looks like there are a number of other parties whose voters tell pollsters they want them to form a coalition with you.
But it looks like some of the opposition parties don't want to do a coalition.
It looks like they want to sort of deny the results of the election.
How's that going?
Yeah.
We are now in the process of talking about this issue in parliament.
And you are totally right.
If you look at the four parties that I think is possible to form a coalition with the Conservative Liberal Party, the Farmer Party and the new party of Peter Onsicht, the four of us would have a big majority in parliament.
And more than 80, sometimes even 90% of the voters of all those four parties want us to work together.
Still, it's not automatically in a normal situation or country.
We would have almost formed the government already.
But some of those parties are hesitant.
Some because they have lost the elections and believe that it's not their place now to govern, whether that's a real reason or not.
That's what they're saying.
Others because they believe that some points out of our party program against Islamization are against our constitution and they don't want to work with a party who works against the constitution.
So it's not automatically.
So I have to do my best to at least get those four parties around the table and talk to one another.
It will probably take time.
And I hope that that will be the result and that not other parties will take the initiative and indeed, as you said, steal those elections away from us.
It's not that far yet.
It's a possibility.
But I'm still hopeful that we have a chance to form a coalition and the government.
Let me tell you a few things based on that little back and forth.
First of all, you can see we were in their caucus room, the same room that they had the meeting with all their new MPs.
And you can still see on the floor some of the party balloons there.
So we really were in the heart of parliament in a high-security building.
What's interesting is from our Canadian point of view, getting a quarter of the vote isn't particularly impressive, right?
I mean, although Justin Trudeau is below that in the polls these days and only got 33% in the last election.
But in the Netherlands, getting a quarter of the vote is enormous because of their electoral system.
It's so fragmented.
There's so many different parties.
There's about 20 political parties because you're not wasting your vote on a small party as you might think you are in Canada by splitting the vote because they don't have the same district-based system.
Anyways, it's an enormous win.
And I think Wilder's main point there is that not just his voters, but the voters of like-minded parties tell pollsters they want Wilders to form the next government.
I thought that was very interesting.
But there is going to be, and Wilders accepted my question, an attempt to, I don't know, steal the vote from him, to use a phrase.
Think about it.
Until very recently, Holland was ruled by Mark Rutte, who was like Gavin Newsom, Leo Paradgar, Justin Trudeau, Jacinda Ardern.
He was one of these completely interreplaceable World Economic Forum globalist robots.
They believe all in the same thing, global warming, extremism, censorship, mass immigration.
So to go from a Trudeau style prime minister to a populist conservative close the borders prime minister is such a shock that the deep state, as it were, in the Netherlands is doing everything to stop it.
As Wilders says, you know, if you had this kind of massive victory before, normally the government would coalesce immediately.
What I thought was interesting and hopeful was that Wilders is absolutely dedicated to making a coalition work.
And as he tells me shortly in the interview, he's willing to put a little bit of water in his wine.
He would rather win and form the government and be the prime minister and get, say, 50 or 60 or 70% of his agenda done rather than insist on 90% of it and not become prime minister.
That's the kind of negotiation necessary in a coalition-style government.
Okay, back to the Q ⁇ A. You have a lot of ideas that you stood for over the years on immigration, on Islam, on a Brexit for the Netherlands.
Obviously, in any compromise or coalition, there would be some high priorities and other things that you would maybe do later.
Have you thought about, have you expressed what your absolute priorities are that are non-negotiable and other things that are maybe less important?
Of course.
You're totally right.
In Holland, unlike the United States or the United Kingdom, we don't have a two-party system.
We have a multi-party system.
We have something like 20 parties in parliament today.
And to get a majority, you need to compromise.
You cannot make sure that your whole party program will be the government program.
It's impossible.
If you aim for that, you will always be in the opposition.
So I have to compromise.
And it's a very good question.
What are our priorities?
Our first priority is to cut back in the enormous figures when it comes to immigration and asylum seekers.
You know, Holland cannot face it anymore.
The European Union cannot face it anymore.
All the measures that the European Union as a collective is making are totally ineffective.
And we are overcrowded and the people are fed up with it.
So the first thing is that we should take measures to stop the influx of so many asylum seekers and non-Western immigrants.
This is my first priority.
Second priority is that people feel that they are totally nejected, the Dutchman, the indigenous people.
They believe that while we spend 60, 17 billion euros a year when it comes to nitrogen or climate change or all those other things, that they have trouble paying for their utilities, the rent, the gasoline for their car, the social security or the healthcare system.
So we believe that we should stop feeding those leftish liberal ideological nonsense issues, and we should make sure that our people have enough money in their pocket and really can help our economy and help themselves.
So those issues are the two most important.
Stop the immigration and asylum seeking.
Be proud of our own identity, culture, and everything that goes with that.
And make sure that we make better choices with the Euros that we have.
Don't spend it to Africa.
Don't spend it to other countries in the European Union as a transfer union that we almost have in the Eurozone.
Don't spend it on nitrogen and other issues.
Give our own people their money back with lower taxes and lower burdens for the Dutch.
The cost of living issue, it's not just in Canada.
It's in the United Kingdom, certainly.
And there it is in the Netherlands also.
You know, it was sort of surprising, shocking to my ears to hear him twice say the word nitrogen.
Listen, I know what nitrogen is.
It's an element in the periodic table of the elements, like oxygen and fluorine and things like that.
So to hear a politician talk about nitrogen, I mean, I know exactly what he's talking about.
That was the essence of the farmer rebellion in the Netherlands.
Mark Rutte was having a war on agriculture, saying nitrogen was our enemy.
It sounds insane to us, but how much more insane is that than Trudeau's obsession with carbon?
Same thing.
In fact, carbon and nitrogen are next to each other on the periodic table of the elements, if memory serves me correctly.
Both of them are naturally occurring elements.
Nitrogen, in fact, is the number one element in the air.
Imagine having a prime minister obsessed with eliminating nitrogen, which of course is essential in fertilizers for agriculture.
It's just so, it's such madness to our ears.
Didn't you find it odd when he mentioned nitrogen twice?
I did.
But how much more weird is that than our carbon obsession here?
And it has the same effect.
It makes everything more expensive.
I think he's smart to focus on the issues, he says.
He didn't use the word Islam in his top issues, did he?
He talked about immigration.
He referred to himself and the other Dutch as the indigenous people of the Netherlands.
And I think that's a very interesting vocabulary choice.
And I hear that from time to time in the United Kingdom.
I hear it in Ireland.
The recent riots there after an Algerian refugee stabbed children.
And there was riots in the street.
And even Conor McGregor, the MMA fighter, got involved.
We hear the word indigenous in Canada.
We take it to make First Nations or Indians.
But to hear a Dutch person talk about the Indigenous people is very interesting.
It's a kind of nationalism of saying, what about us too?
Why are we sending money to, in this case, Africa?
Why are we wasting money on the European Union?
It was very interesting.
You can see how that would resonate.
And if you saw the streeters, the man on the street interviews I did when I was in the Netherlands, you can see those things clicked with people.
Because it's not just in Canada that people can't afford groceries and gas and housing.
And they don't understand why we're on fool's errands against carbon or nitrogen.
And they don't understand why foreign asylum seekers, as they're called in the Netherlands, get free stuff, free hotels, free food, free everything for years, when clearly they're just opportunity-oriented migrants.
They're not actually fleeing from danger.
Very interesting.
He's more moderate now than his comments have been in past years, but he's still very firm compared to the Mark Rutz of the world.
Okay, let's play some more.
You're not the prime minister yet, and I imagine some world leaders would wait until you have that position before congratulating you, but you did win the election with an enormous number.
Have any world leaders publicly congratulated you or wished you well?
Or how have other world leaders treated you since the election?
Well, I get more invitations or nice messages than I ever had before.
I don't know whether they are all public, so I should be careful what I say.
But for instance, from Israel, I got from ministers, Minister of Foreign Affairs, Minister of Intelligence, people from Likud who invited me and congratulated me.
I had a phone conversation with Viktor Orban, who called me.
I know him already for a long time, but still who called me and congratulated me.
There were politicians from all over the world, from South America to America, who, public or not public, did that.
And I mean, it's really news, you know, you see that in Europe.
It was unexpected that so many people would vote against the sitting elite.
They didn't expect it.
They are not prepared for it.
They are in panic now.
In Brussels, for instance, what should we do if this guy would get to power? is also what makes it more difficult today to form a coalition in the Netherlands.
So I have to be responsible.
I have to be able to compromise.
I have to make sure that the two and a half million people who voted for my party also get the influence, what they voted for.
And that means I also will have to compromise.
But the signal throughout Europe and many parts of the world is quite clear that the people are a growing lot of people are fed up. with how they are dealt with by the current and sitting elite in so many countries.
You know, you saw it in other countries like Hungary, but also you see the growth of Marine Le Pen in France, of Mr. Saufvini, who is in government in Italy now.
We saw it in Sweden.
We see in Belgium that the Flames Berlang is doing well.
We see in Germany.
So you see a kind of revival of the what I call patriotic movement politically.
And we need it to be politically, because if you want to change anything in our society, you need to be in charge and influential in your national democracy.
And it goes for the better.
And the best way to prove it is that the sitting elite is totally shocked, don't know how to deal with it.
And I think that proves that we are on the right track.
I went to Hungary a couple of months ago, did not achieve meeting with Viktor Orban.
Again, I was doing the same sort of show up and it might happen move in Hungary that I tried in the Netherlands.
It worked in the Netherlands.
I'll try again maybe one day in Hungary.
But I'm not surprised that Viktor Orban called up Geert Wilders to congratulate him because Orbán has similar policies.
He is for the indigenous Hungarian people.
He is against foreign migrants, especially Islamic migrants who he feels are not integrated with Hungarian society.
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And he is hostile to the European Union.
So it is no surprise at all.
You heard some of the other countries that were mentioned there, and some Marine Le Pen of France, Giorgio Maloney in Italy.
There are these populist movements.
And that's, I think, why the deep state is going to try so hard to block Geert Wilders.
And one of the other parties on the right that is such a natural fit for a coalition, whose party members have said in polls since the election, more than 90% of them want their party to be in coalition with Geirt Wilders, they are surprisingly resisting it.
And I think that there are some very deep subterranean movements afoot trying to deny Geirt Builders the right to be PM by any means necessary.
Because imagine if Geert Wilders became prime minister.
Imagine the green light, the encouragement that would give to these other populist nationalist parties throughout Europe that are fed up with the European Union, fed up with the elites, fed up with the carbon and nitrogen obsession, and frankly, fed up with unintegratable immigration.
I think absolutely the Netherlands would be encouraging for France, for Belgium, for the Nordic countries.
And I think that's why Geert Wilders has not been able to form government yet.
And he actually may have it stolen from him.
I think he's coming across very reasonably here.
And I shouldn't be surprised.
He's been in politics for decades.
And I think he's had a chance to really think through what he will do with his enormous seat count.
So I think he's putting a great foot forward.
One quick point before we go back to the interview.
I remember when Yair Bolsonaro won in Brazil a few years back, Brazil, one of the largest countries in the world economically, population-wise, an enormous country.
Trudeau refused to congratulate him.
Just refused, because Bolsonaro was a populist Trump-like figure.
And Wilders, you know, in his own way, and same with Javier Millé in Argentina.
Trudeau was so petulant that he put his own personal distaste ahead of the national interest and would not reach out to Bolsonaro.
I thought it was super gross.
And last I checked, Trudeau didn't reach out to Millé in Argentina either.
It does not surprise me that he hasn't reached out to Georg Wilders.
Now, it's true that Wilders is not yet prime minister.
And perhaps in some sense, it might be premature to congratulate him as prime minister since he's not that yet.
But to congratulate him on the vote.
Trudeau won't do that, though, because to him, it's all about friends and enemies.
Not Canadian interests, but his personal interests of friends and enemies.
And I suspect that Canadian-Dutch relations will suffer because of Trudeau's petulance.
I mean, seriously, is there a single country in the world that Canada is closer to, friendlier with, that looks at Canada better now than when Trudeau was first elected eight years ago?
I can't think of one from India and China being the two biggest examples to Joe Biden walking all over Canada to like, really, I mean, maybe Cuba is friendlier to Canada now.
I'm not sure.
Maybe Ukraine is because Trudeau's giving him dough.
But even then, I think actually Harper was a much stronger and more meaningful ally to Ukraine.
Trudeau is awful at foreign relations, and I'm not sure why anyone ever thought otherwise.
All right, let's go back to the interview.
I saw you last night at an event.
There must have been 30 or 40 police there.
And I remember when I visited you before, your security is a very high priority because of threats of violence.
But there's also another fear.
People who criticize immigration or Islam, they don't just have fear of assassination.
They have fear of being called racist.
What advice would you have for people in other countries who want to take the same position as you on immigration, but are afraid of either violence or more likely, they're afraid that they'll just be called racist?
Well, the one thing that really helps is to find a political party, to start a political party, to support an existing political party that makes it something that is more common.
You know, this is what you saw in Holland, where we started.
When I started my political party, exactly the same happened.
I'm in the problems now with my personal security because I got five fatwas from Pakistan, from many Arab countries, where Imams and mullahs said that I had to be killed.
Today you see in Holland that not only when it comes to immigration, but also when it comes to other issues, that people are not afraid to say it anymore.
That's one of the differences of last week.
People were whispering to one another in the last few years that, okay, I vote for this PVV and this will this guy, but they said it while having a coffee at their work instead of publicly.
And now people are, for the first time in Holland, they are proud to do so.
They say it at work.
They say it when they go to the gym.
They say it on a party, a birthday party with their neighbors.
So at the end of the day, we make this criticism normal because we know that the elite was ignoring it and was calling us racist, but we are everything but racist in Holland and in so many other countries.
The indigenous people are the people that are discriminated against.
It's not the people who are entering our country.
In Holland, people get housing.
Asylum seekers get housing and they get preferential housing before the Dutch indigenous people.
So who is discriminating who?
And people are really angered about that.
And if you want to capitalize it, you need a political institution, a political group who does it.
And that's what I said.
We are in many more countries in Europe.
Parties are getting successful.
So people like you and the alternative media really help a lot by saying what a lot of other media doesn't want to broadcast or to say.
But at the end of the day, you need a political translation to influence in a parliament and a government.
And so that's what I would advise.
Don't be afraid.
Speak out, but try to cannot it, cannalize it in a political group.
You know, when I did those streeters, again, I was outside a train station.
So I wasn't over sampling any particular group.
There were right-wingers and left-wingers and immigrants and indigenous people and young and old.
And I spoke to several Moroccans.
And, you know, so I really spoke to a random mix.
When you're outside the main train station, I think that's a random sample of people.
I was really surprised, by the way, by how many ordinary Dutch people stop to talk.
I think in Canada, to be honest, people are a lot more brusque.
And certainly in Toronto, they're a lot more rude.
Not a single person was rude to us.
I was being my friendly self, but it was a lot easier to get people in the Netherlands to talk to us than it is in Canada.
I don't know if, I mean, and it happened so many times.
I'm not sure if it was just an anecdote or an anomaly.
I think maybe they're a tiny bit friendlier over there.
Sorry.
But none of the people I spoke with, including Moroccan Dutch, including visible minorities, none of them had vitriol or antipathy towards Kirt Wilders or his Freedom Party.
None of them did.
And I spoke to several people who said, well, I didn't vote for him and he's not my cup of tea and wow, it's not my first choice.
But no one was full of a derangement.
Like it wasn't that Trump derangement syndrome.
You know, if you mention Trump, people start shouting at you.
And like there wasn't any of that craziness.
Now, Geurt Wilders has tweeted in recent days that the mainstream media has gone absolutely nuts against him, absolutely smearing him in a number of ways.
And I'm sure that's true.
But I just found on the ground that he actually has been normalized.
And if you have a quarter of the Dutch population voting for him, that means you can't just say, oh, some kook, because in your own family, in your own friend group, as he said, you know, to barbecue the gym or a birthday party, odds are if you're with a group of four people, one of you voted for him and maybe another one thought of voting for him.
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So it's very interesting.
He's been plugging away at it for 20 years.
And even his language, like, what about the indigenous Dutch people?
He says that and it resonates.
And I think that ordinary Dutchmen were just no longer scared off by the regime media because, you know, the media has lost its credibility.
When you talk about we have to stop nitrogen and carbon to save the world, people say, really?
When you have the establishment discredit itself with lockdowns and vaccine mandates and abuse its trust, as has happened over the last three years, I think people are more willing to embrace contrarians and rebels than they were before.
And I thought that was just a very interesting encouragement.
And he's absolutely right.
I think of the parties in Germany, the AFD, the alternative for Deutschland, which is like Gerd Wilder's party.
I think that if Geert Wilderss can become PM, that will encourage other countries to do the same.
And that's why this is such an important battle.
And remember, they tried to strangle Brexit in the cradle when the Brexit election happened in early 2016.
People were shocked.
They didn't believe it.
And even the government that held the Brexit referendum, which was a nominally conservative government, didn't believe in it, didn't want it.
They thought the referendum would just be a way to blow off steam and say, look, no one agrees with this.
They were shocked by it.
And they spent years trying to stop it from actually being fulfilled.
And I think that they're going to try and do that to Kirk Builders.
They're shocked by it.
They're going to try and stop it from being fulfilled.
And that's why it's such an interesting race to follow.
Okay, back to the interview.
Other countries like Canada, the Conservative Party is pretty conservative and pretty freedom-oriented, but it still has an open borders immigration policy.
In the United Kingdom, the Conservative Party open borders policy every day across the English Channel.
What advice would you give to freedom-oriented Conservative parties who are obviously afraid of losing the vote of new immigrants?
What advice would you have for Canada or the United Kingdom?
Well, don't be afraid.
First, don't be afraid.
A lot of people will support you.
Secondly, it's a totally misconception that the immigrants would disagree because maybe for some people, surprisingly, the immigrants agree.
Many of the immigrants agree.
For Holland, many of the immigrants, even many Muslims, voted for my party because they know that when there is too much influx of immigration, that the integration and the success for them will only diminish.
So they also are in favor of less immigration.
They know, they see what will happen with the housing, with the income, with the jobs, with everything.
So surprisingly, it's not surprisingly, but surprisingly to many people, they are often our allies.
They don't want more immigrants to come as well.
And the own voters, the indigenous people, they, in a growing majority, also feel the same.
So don't be afraid to be political correct or incorrect.
Just state your mind.
People believe.
I always make the comparison to one's person's house.
You know, you have to be able in your own house to decide who will be your guest and when the guest should leave.
And this should be your autonomous and nationwide and national decision.
In Holland, most of it, we gave those powers to the European Union.
Canada is a sovereign country.
There is no European Union in Canada.
So the Canadian government really can decide to close the borders for people they don't want to enter, like President Trump did and is planning to do if he would win next year by people from certain countries.
So don't be afraid.
Just do it and you will be surprised how many people support it, including the immigrants themselves.
Well, that's undoubtedly true.
I mean, incredibly, pollsters for the first time are starting to ask questions about immigration, about diversity.
Is diversity our strength?
And I've seen it in a number of newspapers.
Léger, for example, Canada's, one of Canada's most reputable pollsters.
We've actually done some work with them too, by the way.
They show that, if anything, people want less immigration, not more.
And people are doubting that diversity is our strength.
Of course, there are some benefits from having a mix of people from all over the world.
That's undoubtable.
But having a common bond amongst us, common beliefs, is more important.
This is what the polls say.
And I think Wilders is right.
If you are a new immigrant to a country, you're trying to fit in.
You don't want to be picked on.
You want to be liked and trusted.
And if so many immigrants are coming in that it's creating a national crisis, you don't want that because you'll be on the brunt of any negative feedback.
And I think there's some truth to it.
And just because someone themselves is an immigrant to Canada, for example, doesn't necessarily mean that they want a million immigrants a year to Canada also.
Not just because it may redound to their discredit, but because they also don't like housing prices being driven up and wages being driven down.
I think Wilders is right.
Trouble is we've never had that chance.
You know, I saw a tweet by our friend Candace Malcolm, the boss of True North the other day, and someone was talking about Pierre Pollier being alt-right or far-right.
And Candace Malcolm posted this tweet, and I just want to read some of her skim it because she was right on.
I mean, how right-wing is Pierre Polyev?
Does Polyev want to lower immigration numbers, focus on integration, and abandon Canada's failed multiculturalism agenda?
No.
He barely mentions immigration and hasn't committed to lowering levels from Trudeau's historic highs, doubling the number of annual newcomers.
Does Polyev oppose radical Islamists?
No.
He barely mentions radical Islamist ideology and occasionally uses Islamist talking points like the ill-defined and always weaponized Islamophobia.
And then she asks other questions like, does he support protectionism and big government programs?
No, his focus is on sound monetary policy, curbing inflation and lowering debt to GDP ratio.
I'll skip ahead.
Does he want to protect kids from gender ideology?
No.
He voted for Bill C4, which makes it illegal for psychologists to offer anything but gender-affirming care to confused and indoctrinated citizens.
Anyhow, I won't read the whole tweet to you, but you know, just how right-wing is Pierre Polyev on immigration and multiculturalism and Islam, there's actually no difference between him and Trudeau.
Now, someone might think, well, maybe he's just waiting to get elected before he reveals his true self.
I'm not sure if that hopeful approach to politics has ever worked in history.
There's no doubt about it.
Pierre Polyev must win the next election, in my view, and Trudeau must be ousted.
But he is no right-wing conservative populist in the vein of Kurt Wilders, at least not yet.
But you have to shape the political battlefield before your champion enters the ring.
You can't expect Pierre Polyev to be the cutting edge on issues.
The political debate has to be opened up and chewed over first for people to come to a national consensus to lower immigration, to get away from diversity is our strength, equity, inclusion, to get away from transgenderism.
And that's one of the important rules of independent journalists, by the way.
That's why I'm excited to see other media doing polls and talking about these same questions.
Okay, we're almost done the interview.
Let's watch a little more.
I'm grateful to you for fitting us in your schedule.
I know you have to leave in about three minutes.
Can I put some ideas to you and you can give me like a 30-second top-of-mind response?
What are your thoughts on Russia, Ukraine in 30 seconds, if it's possible?
Yeah, well, I believe that Russia is the bad guy here.
I believe that whatever you think of the Ukraine, corrupt country, but it's a sovereign nation, and Russia should not have started the war against Ukraine.
So I'm on the part of the Ukraine here.
I believe that the Dutch should not give defense material to them because we have very little material ourselves and other nations are doing it.
I believe there should be negotiations instead of a war.
But I'm very clear that the one who started it is Russia and nobody else.
Isn't that interesting?
He started off by saying Russia's the bad guy.
And then he immediately said, well, that doesn't mean that we have to support money or give money or give weapons or things like that.
I think that's a principled position, but you would never hear that in Canada either.
There's such a lockstep by all the political leaders.
It's like, I mean, it is absolutely the entire political, military, media establishment in Canada isn't just that Russia is wrong, which I think most people would probably agree with that.
I mean, invading another country is a violation of so many norms.
But once you say that, as Wilders said, does that mean we have to shovel money in military and refuse to even contemplate a diplomatic solution?
I don't know.
I think Wilders has a more realistic position.
It's more in line with Viktor Orban.
And even though the Netherlands obviously is part of the Western Alliance, I think it shows that other countries have a more wide-ranging debate about key issues like that than we do here in Canada.
In many ways, what Hiert Wilders is saying is part of a conversation that I think many Canadians would like to have, but we don't have it.
And I think one of the reasons is their multi-party system.
If you really do have 20 parties in your parliament, that means you're going to have a wide range of opinions on almost anything.
We don't have that in our country.
We have the Liberals and the Conservatives, the only two parties ever to form government in the last century.
You've got the NDP and the Bloc Québécois for some smaller agendas, but neither of them will likely ever win.
And then you have a handful of green candidates coming in at the margins.
But you really don't have a diversity of opinion.
I recall this scene in the last federal election where all five party leaders essentially held hands and made a, I don't know, like a public service announcement for vaccines.
Do you remember this at the last leaders' debate where all five leaders basically agreed on everything?
We're all in this together.
We've come so far in the fight against COVID.
It's time to finish this pandemic for good.
So get vaccinated.
If you know someone who hasn't, talk to them.
For our kids, for our communities, for our economy.
It's how we get forward together.
Vaccines are safe and effective for use.
Vaccines are the best way for you to protect yourself, your family, and your community.
So get vaccinated.
Let's fight COVID-19 together.
Pour vous protéger vous-même, pour protéger les plus fragiles d'entre nous, pour protéger l'ensemble de la population, le meilleur moyen connu demeure le vaccin.
We all agree getting vaccinated is the way forward.
We're all in agreement.
This is not a partisan issue.
So please get vaccinated.
We're united, and it's time to get the shot.
Vaccines save lives.
They're how we're going to beat COVID, and it's time for everyone to do it.
Get the shot.
Get the shot.
Yeah, I think in some ways the Netherlands political system is healthier than ours.
It's more complicated and it's more messy, but I think it's freer than ours.
What do you think?
All right, back to the interview.
How about the war between Israel and Hamas?
Any thoughts on that?
Yeah, it's not a war about land.
That is my message.
It's a war about ideology.
If you give land, like my friend Ariel Sharon, I knew him very well.
I was his guest when he was started to become a president, prime minister.
I was at his funeral.
I know him for so many years.
He was a great guy.
One mistake he made was giving Gaza, return Gaza to the Palestinians.
Don't make the mistake that if you give a part of land to Palestinians or others, that the problem will be solved because it's not a problem of land, it's a problem of ideology.
It's people who hate, who like, who love death against people who cherish life.
Israel is fighting our war.
We should support Israel because they have our values.
They are a democratic nation.
And if Israel falls, I always say if Jerusalem falls, Rome, Paris, Amsterdam will be next.
So I support the decisions that Israeli make.
They should make the decisions what they should do militarily or politically.
But I believe we should all support Israel all the way instead of criticizing them.
You would never hear a statement so strong in support of Israel by any political leader in Canada, and certainly not by the President of the United States, Joe Biden, who in fact is putting handcuffs on Israel to limit its ability to fight back.
And again, this is something confusing to the liberal mind.
Here is someone they like to portray as alt-right or bigoted.
And that's the most pro-Israel comment you'd ever hear.
I think he's been to Israel literally 40 times in his life, which is more than almost anyone else I've ever heard of.
I mean, the guy is a friend to the Jews.
And I think that confuses some Jewish liberals who like to paint anyone who's for controlled immigration and for integration as some sort of racist.
Vilders is not a racist at all.
I thought that was a very interesting comment there.
And again, it's something that we don't have here in Canada now, do we?
Okay, back to the interview.
I think I only have time for one last question.
Earlier, you mentioned independent media like Rebel News.
In Canada and in the United Kingdom and in Ireland and many countries, there are new censorship laws.
You yourself have been prosecuted for hate speech.
Are you worried about global censorship, New Zealand, places like that?
What are your thoughts on censorship?
No, I'm very worried about that.
It's that the governments, the parties, the institutions that know that they cannot win on the base of arguments, that they are afraid for opponents to speak the truth.
And even if they don't consider it the truth, it is an opinion and people should be informed by both ways.
I don't mind if there are government institutions or government television, but there should also be free speech for almost everything.
I really long for a kind of First Amendment that the Americans have, that we should have, that Canada should have, that the whole free world should have.
We should never accept that they would not allow us to speak our mind.
And stations like Rebel Media and yourself are the most important today.
I believe many more people follow you and watch your programs than they did 10 years ago for exactly the reason, not only because you have a good program, because they have no alternative to look at.
So this is also why politics is important.
We had in Holland now in the last few months, we had this new public broadcaster called Ongrot Nederland.
They were within the public system, but they were very critical.
And the all-elite said we should forbid them because they said something wrong about whatever.
And they didn't like it.
And finally, now, after the elections, when they saw that my party was big, the secretary of media said that they could stay in the air and they should not have to shut down.
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And I don't know if it's a direct result of our winning the elections, but it's too much of a coincidence that they did it a few days after the elections.
So again, here, political power fighting for freedom of speech against what the elite wants to do and not to let us speak the truth is the only way.
And we will get there.
I mean, our, if my, the winning of the PPV means anything for other nations, is that there is hope for change.
Congratulations again, and thank you for your time today.
Thank you for coming here.
Well, I really enjoyed that.
And I was grateful to him for his compliments.
Of course, he did an interview with me years ago when Rebel News was much smaller and when he and his party were smaller.
I'm flattered that he remembered that.
I actually went on tour with him across Canada.
That's when I first saw the massive security entourage he needs to protect him from all the fatwas.
Very interesting.
Again, I was very honored to be given the opportunity to be the first non-Dutch journalist to interview him after his election result.
I went on the CBC website, cbc.ca, and I typed in Hirt Builders in the search bar.
And at least when I did this a couple of days ago, there was only one story about it.
And it wasn't even a CBC written story.
It was some repurposed wire copy from Associated Press or something.
Which is odd because there's a lot of Dutch people in Canada.
And the Netherlands is a fair-sized country.
It's not as big as Canada, but it's about half our population.
And in any event, this is a momentous occasion.
It's a very interesting result.
But the CBC doesn't want to talk about it.
They don't want to give him any credit.
They're hoping that the election will be taken from him in some way.
And I think a lot of CBC viewers would be confused because the CBC has not talked about him.
They've sort of pretended he doesn't exist.
And I've always said that that is actually the worst form of bias in the media.
Not how they cover a story, but whether they cover a story at all to begin with.
I mean, you can see that in the crazy world of transgenderism.
Every transgender issue, even if it's a one in a thousand people who care about it, is given enormous coverage because the CBC is actually promoting the narrative, whereas important news is often completely blacked out.
I think that's a way that the news is controlled.
Well, there you have it.
My thoughts on the interview.
I mean, there were so many things I wanted to say in the moment when he was talking about, I don't know if you heard that when he said, you know, it's Jerusalem today, it's Rome tomorrow.
That's his way of saying, you know, once the Islamists are done killing the Jews, they're not done.
Then they'll move on to the Christians.
And I don't know if you saw this the other day.
You know, in New York City, one of the great traditions of that city is, I think it's in front of Rockefeller Center.
They have this enormous Christmas tree.
Like it's got to be one of the tallest trees in America.
It's brought to New York City every year on a huge long flatbed truck.
And they like the Christmas tree.
It really is a magical downtown New York City Manhattan moment.
And it's a Christmas thing.
It's not political.
It's mildly Christian.
And by that, I mean it's not just for Christians.
It's not a particularly religious moment, but it is the Christian holiday and it's Christian people.
And absolutely, it's a Christian thing, but it's not just a Christian thing, I'm saying.
I mean, Jews, we're having a Christmas party here at Rebel News.
I'm not Jewish, but we have a Christmas party.
But look at the violence, the riots that happen in New York by pro-Hamas extremists.
They're not targeting Jews this time, so targeting Christmas.
Take a look.
Yeah, that's what Wilders is talking about.
Jerusalem today, Rome tomorrow.
That's his way of saying they're going for the Saturday people first and then the Sunday people.
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Well, thanks for watching that review of my interview.
It was really exciting, and I'm grateful to I had a video from Monsanto who accompanied me on that whistle-stop tour.
By the way, we were set to come back just 36 hours on the ground, and then we ran into a snag and we were trapped at the Amsterdam airport for 27 hours, which put a test to my famous patience.
But I'm glad to be home and I'm not going to go anywhere for days.
Stay with us.
Our friend Sheila Gunn-Reed is next.
It really was a journalistic feather in my cap.
I was so grateful for the opportunity.
But listen, there's important news going on in Canada.
And one of the roles we have is to hold the NDP to account because the CBC and the rest of the regime media, they never really do, whether it's Jack Meet Singh or Rachel Notley.
They're more in the form of cheerleaders than actual journalists.
Luckily, we have a real journalist in our team.
Her name is Sheila Gunrid.
She's our chief reporter, and she broke some news about the NDP in Alberta.
Sheila joins us now from her home in the Edmonton area.
Sheila, great to see you again.
Thanks for having me on the show, Boss.
Well, it's my pleasure.
You know, I enjoy covering dramatic international stories from time to time, but Canada is our home.
And, you know, Jordan Peterson says, you want to save the world?
Start by cleaning up your room.
We want to save the world, but we also have to pay attention to local matters, including Rachel Notley's NDP.
What's the latest on her?
You know, this is where I started.
I feel like I've come full circle holding the NDP to account on behalf of the people.
What happened is that we received some leaked court documents from 2019, and they involved somebody named Ben Aldritt.
Now, that might not be a name that a lot of people know, but he is frequently quoted in the media as being an NDP spokesperson.
In fact, when all of this went down, he was the chief of staff to Sarah Hoffman, our health minister at the time.
In December 2018, Ben Aldritt was arrested in a prostitution sting in Edmonton.
And we know that because he made his first court appearance on it in January.
And the NDP hushed this up because that was just four months before the election, wherein the United Conservative Party's Jason Kenney would sweep into power.
And so they wanted to make sure that nobody knew anything about a staffer in their midst being accused of sexually exploiting vulnerable women.
And I'm making an assumption here that it's a woman just based on, you know, the overwhelming majority of these cases happen to be women.
But if you look at Ben Aldritt's Twitter account, you might not know because he's got his pronouns in there.
He calls himself a spouse and not a husband.
He said he's the parent of a child, not the father of a son or daughter.
So, you know, I'm making a lot of assumptions here.
But the NDP hushed this up and for years.
They put Ben Aldrich on a leave of absence quietly, but he recently came back into the fold.
In 2021, he's quoted as a spokesperson for the NDP.
And in 2022, I believe he was the director of communications for the NDP caucus.
This went through two election cycles and not a single member of the mainstream media touched this story.
I assume they probably knew about it.
But if they didn't, they know now.
And you know what?
They haven't uttered a single word on this.
And if you know that this was UCP, the mainstream media would be lighting their hair on fire about this.
You know, any crime is a serious matter if you're in the government.
You have to be law-abiding.
I'm not saying that there's no such thing as redemption or people paying their price and coming back.
I actually, as I get older, I believe in second chances more, as long as you're contrite and have done a penance of some sort.
But there's something, a special character to sex crimes, especially prostitution.
It's not just, you know, it's not shoplifting or a drug offense, where frankly, I mean, and a lot of crimes are sort of victimless crimes, especially on the drug side.
Well, it's probably not true.
Your family is a victim.
But when you engage in female trafficking, it is always under duress.
And there's an exploitation there that is very political.
And it's what feminists claim to be against.
And that's why I think this is so noteworthy, is that the NDP will tell you that conservatives hate women and they are the champions of women.
But here you have someone who exploited trafficked women who in many cases, they have some psychological problems, some mental health problems.
They're being abused and exploited by pimps and human traffickers.
They are in an extreme position.
And for a man to come and take advantage of them and for that man to be in a feminist party is so gross.
But how different is that from Trudeau, who sexually assaulted Rose Knight in BC and then later said, oh, she experienced it differently.
There's nothing worse than a male feminist, Sheila.
And this guy apparently is a male feminist.
If you go through his Twitter account, and I did, it's nothing but repeated instances where he is accusing the United Conservative Party about not caring about women and in particular racialized women, to use his language.
Well, guess who the majority of sex workers are on the streets of Edmonton?
Racialized minority women.
And this guy was exploiting them for his own sexual means.
I'm reliably informed by the NDP that they don't care for the commodification of women's bodies.
But they kept this guy in their midst.
They covered up for him and then brought him back into the fold and gave him a promotion after all of it.
Well, you know, let's not forget that Jack Layton, Saint Jack Layton of the NDP, was caught in a brothel, a massage parlor in Toronto by police with young immigrant women.
And the police gave him a pass and the media gave him a pass.
And it finally came out through citizen journalists.
And I think the Toronto Sun, to their credit, did a story on it.
But it was just completely forgotten about.
And no mainstream reporter would dare sully themselves by asking a grubby little question like that.
It was as if it was, oh, that's just Jack's private life.
It's not a private life when you're exploiting minority immigrant women who have been trafficked.
And just for Jack Layton to pass himself off as a male feminist, there's nothing grosser.
I think of Gianne Gameshi of the CBC, who actually had a women's studies degree.
And it's obvious now in retrospect why.
That's where the women are.
It's like asking Al Capone, why do you rob banks?
Well, that's where the money is.
Why did you join, why did you get a women's studies degree?
Because that's where the women are.
And these serial abusers, they are preemptively feminists to put everyone else on the back foot so you won't think that they're sexual predators and to preemptively take away.
I mean, I'm certain that Trudeau's entire feminist shtick is just a preemptive defense against questions about things like when he sexually assaulted Rose Knight in Creston, BC.
It's so gross.
What's he doing now?
Is he still with the NDP?
That's not clear.
He says he works in freelance communications.
But like I said, up until very recently, he was being quoted in media reports as working for the NDP.
When I did this story, he had the NDP URL, the link back to the website in his Twitter bio.
So, and even worse, I can't get the NDP to respond to this.
I can't get him to respond to this in an effort to be a responsible journalist.
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I reached out to both sides, and we just are doing our best to get to the bottom of this.
And like I said, if this were the UCP, it doesn't matter what the press conference is about.
They would be absolutely hammered with questions about this.
But all the mainstream media journalists have their blinders on.
We even publish the documents so that people don't have to believe us, so that the mainstream media journalists, lazy little people that they are, they could take my work and turn up at a press conference and ask a question.
They haven't done a single thing on this.
Yeah.
And they wonder why no one trusts the mainstream media anymore.
Sheila, great work, great journalism.
Thank you.
Keep it up.
And I'm glad you are holding the NDP to account because the regime media certainly are not.
Stay with us.
Actually, my final thought's next.
Well, thanks for your patience.
And I should have thanked Sheila for hosting my show when I was on my journey to the Netherlands.
I think it was worth it to sit down with a newsmaker, the man who's likely to be the next prime minister of the Netherlands.
It felt like a moment where Rebel News sort of proved that we can play with the big boys, even beat them, being the first non-Dutch journalists to interview Geertwilders and to see what's going on there because those issues, wasn't that an interesting interview?
The way he talked about indigenous Dutch people standing up for themselves and about stopping wasting money, sending it outside the country and the crazy war on nitrogen.
And it sounded even crazier just hearing that, but we do the same.
I think there were a lot of things to learn there.
And his advice to parties in the West, including in Canada, I thought that was very useful.
I'm going to think about this interview for a long time.
And if he does become prime minister, which I hope he does, I got to have a keen interest in that country because I've got a bit of a connection to their boss now.