Ezra Levant critiques Joe Biden’s Canada visit, framing him as a compromised leader amid China-linked controversies—like TikTok’s forced data-sharing and DJI drones sending U.S. mapping back to Beijing—while contrasting Biden’s perceived weakness with Stephen Harper and Donald Trump’s tougher stances. He highlights Justin Trudeau’s alleged corruption ties, including Han Dong’s 2021 CESIS-flagged conversations with China’s Consular General over detained Canadians, and Huawei’s university partnerships. Levant also warns of Canada’s rapid expansion of MAID ("doctor-assisted suicide"), with 10,064 deaths in 2021—one in 30—compared to California’s 486, calling it a moral and systemic failure. The episode suggests Canada’s progressive policies risk normalizing euthanasia as a cost-cutting solution, undermining dignity for vulnerable groups. [Automatically generated summary]
Besides my own commentary on TikTok, Joe Biden and Justin Trudeau, including a cat video and a bird video, I have a great heart-to-heart talk with our friend Barbara Kay about medical assistance in dying, which is the new code word for doctor-assisted suicide.
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Here's today's program.
Tonight, Joe Biden comes to Canada, perhaps the only world leader who can make Justin Trudeau look smart.
It's March 24th, and this is the Ezra Levant Show.
Shame on you, you censorious boobug.
Hey, I want to give you a monologue about a few things, but before I do, I really want to invite you to stick around for my feature-length interview with Barbara Kay about medical assistance in dying.
Very powerful conversation I just recorded with her.
That's going to be in about 15 minutes when I'm done with my monologue.
Sharing User Content Widespread00:04:01
So please, please stick around for that.
But first, I want to talk to you about yesterday, the CEO of TikTok, the social media app, was grilled by U.S. lawmakers on Capitol Hill.
I think he should be grilled.
TikTok is a Chinese-owned company, and China has laws that clearly state every single tech company in China must give unfettered backdoor access to their entire systems to the Chinese security state.
As in, anything TikTok knows, the Chinese secret police and military know.
They don't need to ask.
They don't need to go to court to get a search warrant.
It's China.
It's a dictatorship.
They just take it.
It's not a secret that they do this.
You might say, well, what does TikTok know about its users that is so damaging to U.S. or Canadian national security?
I mean, half of TikTok is silly video trends.
I mean, tell me this isn't funny and a bit gripping and a bit tempting to try doing it yourself.
I thought that was fun.
That's the bait.
That's the fun sing-along videos.
That's the fun video filters like the one that I don't know how they do it.
Makes you look like you're 30 years younger.
That's me trying it out.
It sort of looks like me 30 years ago, not really, but still it's fun.
I mean, come on.
How much fun is this doing a duet, singing in harmony with the cat?
But the worrying part is that the app is in your phone and it has access to everything.
You give it access to everything on your phone, your friends list, your photos, your videos, your GPS location.
It asks you, you click yes, over 100 million Americans have.
Here's an excerpt from their privacy policy.
I went online to look it up.
Who do we share your information with?
We share your data with third-party service providers who help us to deliver the platform, such as cloud storage providers.
We also share your information with business partners, other companies in the same group as TikTok.
Okay, that means the Chinese, everything Chinese.
Content moderation services, measurement providers, advertisers, and analytics providers.
Where and when required by law, we will share your information with law enforcement agencies or regulators, China, and with third parties pursuant to a legally binding court order.
It's a general way of saying they share it with anyone they want to share with, including the Chinese government.
Look at this paragraph in their terms.
User content and behavioral information.
We process the content you generate and view on the platform, including preferences you set, such as choice of language, photographs, audios and videos you upload or create.
Comments and live streams you make.
User content.
We collect user content through preloading at the time of creation, import or upload, regardless of whether you choose to save or upload that user content, in order to recommend audio options and provide other personalized recommendations.
So even if you don't publish it, they get it.
We may collect information about the images and audio that are a part of your user content, such as identifying the objects and scenery that appear, the existence and location within an image of face and body features and attributes, the nature of the audio, the text of the words spoken in your user.
They're recording everything about you and the room you're in and every word you say.
We may access content including text, images, and video found in your device's clipboard, with your permission.
So if you copy and paste something in an email app, they got it.
You give them everything forever for free for them to do whatever they like.
I mean, it's bad.
Dong's Controversial Role00:06:43
Sure, but is it as bad as having an accused Chinese agent sitting in your parliament as part of the government?
Take a look at this.
In February 2021, Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor had been detained in a Chinese prison for nearly 800 days.
But while they languished away, Ontario Liberal MP Han Dong allegedly advised a top Chinese diplomat to hold off on immediately freeing them.
Two independent national security sources have told Global News that Dong spoke with China's Consular General in Toronto, Han Tao, and suggested to him that if Beijing released the two Michaels, then federal conservatives would benefit.
How exactly is not clear?
Dong allegedly initiated the discussion with the Consul General, where he also allegedly recommended that Beijing offer some show of progress with the two Michaels cases to help benefit the Liberals, according to the two sources.
Dong confirmed to Global News that the conversation took place, but he denied he initiated the discussion and says that he advocated for the two Michaels to be set free.
At every opportunity before they returned home, I adamantly demanded their release to Canada without delay, said Dong.
Any suggestions otherwise are false and are attempts to mislead you, your readers, and slander me.
The two Michaels had been jailed in apparent retribution for Canada's detention of Huawei executive Meng Wangzhou.
But at the time of Dong's conversation with the Chinese diplomat, the prime minister had publicly been calling for their release.
This is an issue that is a top priority.
Truva's office says the prime minister only learned of the conversation with the Chinese envoy after Dong told PMO.
But Dong only informed the Prime Minister's team after Global News reached out for comment.
A national security official told Global News that by the time the alleged conversation in February 2021 took place, CESIS had already classified Dong as a close friend of the consulate based on his history of calls.
But they had also considered if Dong was acting as a back-channel interlocutor between the Canadian and Chinese governments.
The PMO denied that theory, saying at no time was Mr. Dong ever used as a back channel.
Global News has not been able to independently verify what was said in the communication between Dong and the Consul General.
That's just a blockbuster.
They would have lawyered that article, that video, very carefully.
Here's Hen Dong's response.
I rise on a point of order.
I have informed the Prime Minister and the leadership of the Liberal Party caucus that I will be sitting as an independent at the conclusion of these remarks.
Mr. Speaker, I'm in your hands as to what happens next.
To all my colleagues in the Parliament, media reports today quoting unverified and anonymous sources have attacked my reputation and call into question my loyalty to Canada.
Let me be clear.
What has been reported is false, and I will defend myself against these absolutely untrue claims.
But let me assure you, as a parliamentarian and as a person, I have never and I will never and would never advocate or support the violation of the basic human rights of any Canadian, of anyone, anywhere.
The accusations are false.
My family came to Canada for freedom.
I have had the privilege of being elected to this House, and I believe I have served honorably and pledged to continue to serve honorably and fulfill my oath of office.
I will continue to serve the residents of Dalmati North as an independent member of this House.
I'm taking this extraordinary step because to sitting the government caucus is a privilege, and my presence there may be seen by some as a conflict of duty and the wrong place to be as an independent investigation pursues the facts in this matter.
I will be sitting as an independent so that business of government and indeed the business of parliament is not interrupted as I work to clear my name and the truth is presented to parliament and to Canadian people.
I am a proud Liberal and I am proud of the work our government does day in and day out to serve the people of Canada.
I also don't want to distract from that important work.
Before concluding, I want to assure Mr. Michael Spavard and Mr. Michael Colbert and their families that I did nothing to cause them any harm.
Like everyone in this House, I worked hard and advocated for their interest as a parliamentarian.
The allegations made against me are as false as the ones made against you.
To my constituents, I will continue to work on your behalf as a member of parliament.
To my staff, I thank you.
I know the days ahead will be difficult, but I will be there to support you as we continue to serve the people of Dalmati North.
To my family and in particular my parents who brought us here to Canada.
To my wife Sophie and my kids.
I love you.
I thank you for all the support and love you give me.
The truth will protect us.
Our owner and our family will get through this together.
Sorry, both of us.
Thank you, Speaker.
The applause?
He was accused of working with the Chinese dictatorship, advising them to keep the two Michaels in prison longer, and they applauded him.
They applauded him.
That was last night.
Here's today's news in the Globe and Mail.
Trudeau government decided CESIS transcript of MP Handong provided no actionable evidence.
Compromised Leaders' Emails00:04:44
Oh, really?
The Trudeau government determined that there was no actionable evidence after it received a CESIS transcript of an early 2021 conversation between liberal MP Handong and China's top diplomat in Toronto, according to a senior government source, saying conclusions could not be drawn.
Mr. Dong asked Beijing to keep two Canadians in prison for political reasons.
What was he doing reporting to Beijing at all?
What was he doing?
He's not foreign minister.
I mean, TikTok is awful, and don't think Facebook and YouTube are any better.
We know from what Twitter has disclosed under Elon Musk that they were the same.
Twitter was basically in the service of the CIA and FBI.
So of course, TikTok is in the service of China's People Liberation Army.
I mean, I don't mind the idea of banning TikTok.
Really, it's malware.
It's spyware.
It feels like a toy, a game, a hobby, whatever.
It feels like an entertainment, but it's actually an espionage tool.
Just like DJI drones, you know, all those drones that people fly around.
Almost every single drone sold in Canada and America are Chinese-made.
And all of their data goes through their servers back in China.
I would say that every single square inch of America by now is mapped in high-definition video by Americans using drones for fun.
And that's all in China's hands right now.
And 100 million humans and all their social connections and everything in their houses and their rooms, they have all that info, all of it.
They've been doing this sort of thing for years.
Here's a story from back in 2021 in the Globe and Mail.
Ottawa partners with Huawei to fund university research despite security concerns.
The federal government is partnering with Huawei to sponsor leading-edge computer and electrical engineering research at Canadian universities, a move critics say threatens this country's national security and economic interests.
Oh, and by the way, Huawei gets the patents.
You pay for it.
Huawei, which is China's version of Google, gets the patents.
So yeah, on your app, TikTok, on your Huawei phone, or in your telecom hardware, you can't avoid it.
Or in your MPs, you can't avoid them.
Or your prime minister, or your former governor general, or your former prime minister who went to work for China less than two months after retiring as prime minister.
Now, Joe Biden might even be worse.
He might even be on the payroll indirectly.
His son, Hunter, takes millions from China.
Some reporting suggests it's much, much more than millions.
For no apparent work or skills, it's one of those no-work jobs.
Look at this story.
GOP probes China-linked payments to Biden family, provides no evidence tying directly to the president.
Oh, so they can't prove it went to Joe Biden himself, just that millions went to his son, who just happened to fly to China with Biden on Air Force One 10 years ago when Biden was VP.
So you have two of the most compromised leaders in the world when it comes to China, Biden and Trudeau, two of the most corrupt leaders in the world.
And frankly, two of the stupidest leaders in the world gathering.
At least Biden has an excuse.
He's lived a long life.
He's in his twilight years.
turns 81 this year and I'm sorry he's losing some of his sharpness.
Don't ask me.
Ask TikTok.
How would you say your mental focus is?
Oh, it's focused.
I say it's, I think it's, I haven't, look, I have trouble even mentioning, even saying to myself my own head the number of years.
I no more think of myself as being as old as I am than fly.
I mean it's just not I haven't observed anything in terms of there's not things I don't do now that I did before, whether it's physical or mental or anything else.
It's a huge problem, but our government was corrupted the old-fashioned way, money and power.
Before I stop talking about TikTok, let me tell you that I downloaded the app, then I deleted it because I was worried about security, but then I downloaded it again because how can you say no to content like this?
How would you say your mental focus is?
Oh, it's focused.
I say it's, I think it's, I haven't, look, I have trouble even mentioning, even saying to myself my own head the number of years.
I no more think of myself as being as old as I am than fly.
I mean, it's just not, I haven't observed anything in terms of, there's not things I don't do now that I did before, whether it's physical or mental or anything else.
That was my excuse for showing you a bunch of cat videos and bird videos because those mental acuity parodies of Joe Biden are almost worth letting the communist spy on your phone.
Whatever conservatives are in power, Donald Trump or Stephen Harper, the media party and the left tells us they're warmongers, they're cowboys, they don't know how to do international diplomacy.
It's a lie, actually.
Crossing Roxham Road00:02:39
Harper had stronger relations with almost every country in the world at the end of his term than at the beginning.
He improved Canada's standing in the world, maybe with the exception of Russia.
Trump brought peace to the Middle East, peace to the Korean Peninsula.
Russia, which invaded Ukraine both before and after Trump, didn't dare do it when he was in office.
Harper didn't have such military power, but he had some respect from world leaders.
Even Barack Obama, who disagreed with Harper on most things, agreed to exempt Canadians from his by American trade rules, agreed to a software lumber deal.
Obama didn't approve Keystone Excel, but at least he didn't kill it until Trudeau took office.
It's true that Trudeau opened our borders to take every fake refugee in America, but it's also true that the Democrats are bussing their illegal migrants up here.
That's easier than them deporting them.
Speaking of which, did you see our new trailer for our undercover video from Roxham Road?
Let's take a look at this teaser.
Yeah, it's BlackBerry.
Is it Roxham?
Yeah.
Roxham Road?
Yeah.
Well, I've learned on the internet.
You came to Mexico and did you ask for asylum?
Yeah, yeah.
A friend of us was here in New York.
He went there and gave him the permission to work.
Stay in your own country.
I'm here with the purpose there is a process to determine whether someone is a refugee There are steps to go through.
Those who are seeking to go somewhere else, not we're pushing or forcing, if they're seeking to go somewhere else, we are helping in the reticketing process.
There's so many homeless here, and they're bringing people from other countries where there's people here struggling with mental wellness.
The issue starts at our southern border, where the U.S. has declined to enforce proper immigration.
And you allow them to live in a hotel, but yet the major crisis of homelessness is very, very big.
Helping Refugees Reticket00:08:31
So, I'm in Wroxham Road, and I'm waiting actually for Lincoln G to arrive.
He just arrived in Pattsburg and he took a cab.
Just like that, I'm in the back of a taxi cab, waiting to go to Wroxham Road.
Why wouldn't you ask that?
You're running across the border.
That's going to be incredible.
Anyways, back to Ottawa, the Dumb and Dumber Show.
These guys, they have the same speechwriter.
Literally, here's Joe Biden talking about Build Back Better.
We've seen the Senate advance two key pieces of my economic agenda: the bipartisan infrastructure bill and the budget resolution that is the framework for my Build Back Better plan.
And back in the campaign, you know, I said we're going to build back and we're going to build back better.
Not just, we can't just build back, we've got to build back better.
And today, I want to outline some of the key pieces of this Build Back Better agenda and what's going to do for the people of Illinois and the people of the United States.
To meet the challenges of the day, we can't just build back the way things were before, we have to build back better.
Yeah, and here's Trudeau talking about build back better.
We will continue to offer supports that will help keep their doors open and grow their businesses during this difficult time and beyond.
Because we can only build back better if we lean on one another.
This week, the government outlined our plan to get Canada through the pandemic and build back a better country for everyone as we work to finish the fight against COVID-19 and build back better.
What does that mean?
Look, it's insane that Joe Biden says he's going to run again.
And it looks like he means it.
It's even crazier that Trudeau will run again, too.
Stay with us for more.
You know, I was at the formerly known as Manning Center Conference.
Now it's called the Canada Strong and Free Networking Conference.
And I mentioned this in my show the other day.
There was a panelist who said he asked, I don't know, a dozen or more Conservative Party candidates to define what is a woman.
So these are conservative candidates, and none of them, not one of them, would.
We all know what a woman is.
A child knows what a woman is.
It takes a very educated and sophisticated grown-up to pretend not to know.
And I understand why.
To get the answer wrong could mean you're political doom.
Do you remember this?
I don't know if you saw this.
I mean, Scotland is far away geographically from Canada, but it is not very far away politically.
Take a look at this when the first minister of Scotland, I think that would be equivalent to being the premier of Scotland.
It's a little bit more than that.
Was asked a question about a male-to-female transgender who was, I'll let it speak for itself.
Look at this.
This pushed the first domino that caused her to be ousted as first minister.
Take a look.
My question is: are all trans women women?
You haven't answered that question.
That's not the point that we're dealing with here.
Trans women are women, but in the prison context, there is no automatic right for a trans woman.
There are contexts where a trans woman is not a woman.
No, there is circumstances in which a trans woman will be housed in the male prison estate.
Any context in which a woman born as a woman will be housed in the male estate?
Look, we're talking here about trans women.
And I'm now asking about women born as women.
I don't think there are circumstances there.
So it's different for trans women.
Well, yes.
And I'm not.
So they're not equal.
That is not.
There is a risk assessment process done for trans women that takes account of the nature of the crime.
Clearly, significant concern arises out of sexual crime and whether it's appropriate for them to be in a female prison or a male prisoner.
Well, I think that goes to show that if you are a politician and cannot bring yourself to say that a woman is an adult human female, then you are in trouble.
But these dozen or more Conservative candidates in Canada felt the opposite.
They felt they dare not say that a woman was an adult human female or they would be destroyed by some cancel culture mob.
And they are correct.
I think the case of the Scottish First Minister being ousted was a rare example of that compared to the ubiquitous examples of transphobia being the cause of so many political demise.
But I think the point that the panelist at the Manning Center was trying to make to me, and to the crowd, rather, was that show some courage, people, and understand that real life is not like Twitter and real life is not like Parliament where, I mean, Trudeau famously said, we don't say humankind, we say people kind.
Remember that video?
Here's a flashback of that.
Well, I always admire when people, especially people with something to lose, take a stand for common sense because it's not very common these days.
I think of J.K. Rowling, the great author behind the Harry Potter series, a billionaire, a self-made woman in so many ways.
And if they try and go for her, well, then surely they can go for you.
So when I see people standing up, for example, when we interviewed the powerlifter April Hutchinson last week, she has a lot to lose.
Her competitive career, her reputation, and yet she chose to take a stand.
One Canadian who takes a stand so often, she's almost the evil knievel of daredevils in terms of living freely in this unfree age.
One of my favorite people, a great writer, and someone who, at least for now, thank God, has a platform where she reaches millions of people, not just in the National Post, but also in Epoch Times and other outlets.
I'm talking about my friend Barbara Kay, who joins us now via Skype from Montreal Barbara.
It's such a pleasure to have you back.
You are evil knievel is the wrong analogy because that's a daredevil who did deliberately, I would say, reckless things.
You are very thoughtful about your decision to speak plainly.
And what you do shouldn't be odd or crazy.
It's just rare.
And so I salute you for it.
You talk about the things that other people are just afraid to talk about.
Yeah, many people say you're courageous, but I myself do not feel that I am particularly courageous.
And I obviously am able to phrase what I want to say in ways that my newspapers, the National Post and the Epoch Times are comfortable with what I have to say.
And I think it's because I speak not only with common sense, but everything that I say, everything that I allege is evidence-based and it's rational.
So far, I've been lucky, but I will continue as long as I'm able to speak common sense.
Otherwise, as Soljanetson says, live not by lies.
Life doesn't seem to be very much worth living if you can't say, speak what is an obvious truth to others.
I quote Solzhenitsyn more often than I ever used to because I remember during the pandemic, during the lockdowns, during the Civil Liberties bonfire, during the vaccine passports, during the brutality, and there was brutality, people being forced out of their jobs, the prime minister saying, should we even tolerate these people?
It was easy for me to fight in a way, Barbara, because who's going to fire me?
I work for myself, and I'm at my own workplace, and I'm not going to impose rules on people.
I'm not going to invade their privacy.
But if you were a working mom and it was your job or your conscience, well, what about your kids?
If you were, not everyone had the luxury.
So what Solzhenitsyn said that I always held by was, and I'm paraphrasing, of course, you don't have to fight.
You don't have to be a dissident.
You don't have to be a refusenik, as they were called in the Soviet Union, but just don't let the evil work through you.
Huge Announcement for Transgender Athletes00:05:51
Do not participate in it.
You don't even have to speak out.
Just don't speak for it.
And that micro step is actually more than most people did.
And I think of that again when I think of April Hutchinson, who just simply went to her competition and refused at the last moment to compete with the male-to female transgender, because what more could she do?
If she tried to make a fuss, she would be kicked out.
Her career would, and that was her one.
And I thought about it, and I thought, that's as much as she can do.
But I have some news, and this was brought to my attention by you.
The International Association in Charge of Amateur Track and Field Events, it's called World Athletics.
They have taken a step towards sanity on transgenderism in sport.
What do you know about that?
And would you say it's a breakthrough?
And do you think they're going to hold to it?
Or do you think they'll be bullied out of it?
What do you think about World Athletics, which is actually a pretty big deal?
It's almost like a mini Olympics just for track and field.
What do you think of that?
Yeah, I know it is very big news.
People have been waiting for this for some time.
And up until very recently, and up until the announcement came, I think a lot of athletes were not expecting them to go that far.
They were not expecting them to make a distinction between biological males who identify as female and athletes with DSD, which is differences of sexual development.
And that is athletes that present as, or who have been raised as female, but that actually have a condition that they don't have external genitalia.
Anyways, long explanation, but the point is that a lot of the time they're lumped together, but it's two different situations.
So I'm glad that they separated them out.
And what they have said is biological males who have had the post-puberty advantage, who've gone through puberty, will not be allowed to compete in the female division.
This is for all international events.
So that means that, say, Athletics Canada can decide, well, we're not going to change our domestic policy.
We're going to allow our athletes to self-identify into males into female category.
We're going to maintain that position.
But then, of course, that puts them in a bad place because if those people then want to go on to international competitions, they can't.
So they're not going to, if, if, if Athletics Canada does not follow through with the same policy here, they're going to get to have the athletes mad at them and they're going to have activists mad at them because they're not going to satisfy anybody.
So This is a huge announcement.
If athletes are looking for a pathway to the Olympics or to any other international world championship or whatever, they know now that, or female athletes know, that they can be sure that at least when they get to those international events, they will be competing only against other women.
I think that's huge.
It's a real shot in the arm for athletes who have been very discouraged by the ongoing this commitment to self-identification, which has spread like wildfire through the sporting world.
It looks like some sanity has returned in a very big way.
Same with rugby, same with swimming.
I think we've reached a pivotal moment.
And I think this could be the beginning of the end of the whole irrational movement that has allowed males to simply self-identify into female sport.
You know, I hope you're right.
You know this file much better than me.
You're the co-author with Linda Blade of Unsporting, which I mean, you really know your stuff on this.
You brought this to my attention, obviously, today.
So I don't dare disagree with you, but I am more pessimistic than you.
Maybe I come from the political world way back when, and so I'm used to disappointments.
And I don't know if this can hold because the power of censorship and compliance and conformity around transgenderism is greater than anything else I've ever seen.
On social media, certainly.
You misgender someone, you dead name someone.
These are phrases that didn't exist 10 years ago.
Misgender is call a natural born man a man, even after he says I'm a gal.
And dead naming is the name your mama gave you as opposed to your new name as a new gender.
Those two things are now they will get you suspended or blocked on many social media platforms more than any other species of, I don't know, hate speech or whatever was being regulated in the past.
There's an extremeness to it.
And that's why I was stunned by the news because World Athletics, I mean, there's nothing more political than the Olympics.
There's nothing more politically correct than the Olympics.
And this is really a feeder organization for the Olympics.
And I'm really afraid, Barbara, that something big, someone bigger than World Athletics is going to come and smash them into compliance, whether that's woke TV networks announcing, we're not going to cover this, cutting off their money, or someone from the Olympics saying you better conform to our policies or we'll disconnect from you.
I'm just worried that they are not so big that they can't be smashed back into compliance.
Maybe that's just the pessimist inside me.
World Athletics Controversy00:14:55
No, no, you know what?
You know what?
Maybe I'm over-optimistic here.
And maybe you could be very right because just on Twitter the other day, we got into a conversation about who are the biggest bullies you've ever seen.
And I did tweet the other day.
I'm 80 years old, and I've seen a lot of bullies come and go in political life.
But I agree with you that the trans cultists, they are cultists, are the most vicious and relentless and determined and also very well-organized, well-funded.
I've never seen a movement like this in my entire life.
And so I can't say you're wrong, Ezra.
I'm looking to be optimistic because I want to believe that reason is coming back to sport.
But I listen to you and I say, well, you know, Ezra is very plugged into.
Well, I don't know if I'm plugged in.
I just, I'm used to losing.
Not because I'm necessarily a loser, but because I know the odds, the odds against us.
Hey, listen, speaking of movements and bullies, I want to refer to an article you wrote about a week ago in the National Post.
The headline is, thanks to Trudeau, Canada's death care system is top of the line.
And it's just absolutely incredible.
Just before we turn the cameras on, I floated to you a statistic that I saw on an American network that in Canada, one in 30 deaths is an assisted suicide.
And as I ran that by you, I noticed you referred to stats in your article.
Let me just quote one paragraph from your article back to you, and then I'd love you to expand on it.
California, as everybody knows, is one of the most progressive and woke jurisdictions in America.
It's a laboratory for many bad ideas.
It's not just blue.
It is a deep blue place, politically speaking.
Here's from your article.
Consider that California, with the same population as Canada and universally regarded as a singularly progressive domain, legalized medically assisted death in 2016, just like Canada.
And then here's the incredible part.
In 2021, 486 Californians availed themselves of the program.
In the same year, 10,064 Canadians ended their lives with MAID, medically assistance in dying, a term for euthanasia used only in Canada and brazenly stolen from palliative care where it rightly belongs.
10,000 people euthanized?
That is the annual death toll of the coronavirus that we were told was the greatest threat to humanity in generations.
I believe that American stat now.
If I'd have to do the numbers, but one in 30 people who dies was killed by a doctor in this country on purpose.
I find that shocking and demoralizing.
Well, I would have found it shocking a few years ago even, but it just shows you how quickly this way of dying, this method of dying, has become normalized in Canada.
It is now 100% normal.
Most people consider that it is, there's nothing wrong with it at all, that in fact it's a blessing that so many people want to save the taxpayers money by not extending their life by artificial means and all the rest of it.
And we are very much as it has been in the Netherlands for some time, where people dying by euthanasia has been normalized for the last 20 years.
We're catching up really fast.
And the people that are driving that were the prime movers behind the bills that got us this far are agitating.
It's a step-by-step process for them.
Even David Lometty said, well, we're not doing everything all at once.
This is a step-by-step.
And the next step in the wings is advance requests and euthanization of minors who are in severe, you know, that have severe disabilities or diseases.
So There's, I mean, in the Netherlands, there's a tired of life bill that is, I think, passed or going to pass soon.
There's no end to this slope because people that are fascinated with, you know, death by choice and death when you want it, who think it's wonderful, they won't stop until they get, well, I'd like to be killed simply.
I don't need to give you a reason, just do it.
And that'll be someday down the line, too.
So, yeah, it's a normal way to die here in Canada now, and it'll continue to be normal.
And that'll be the answer for our aging population, which is becoming a serious.
We have a broken healthcare system, and most of the people using it are older people.
And this is, instead of fixing the healthcare system, this is the federal government solution.
Encourage people to choose MAID and to choose it more often and to choose it for less pressing reasons than it was originally designed for.
And hey, Presto, you're really going to, you know.
I find it very troubling.
And I think the people who are promoting and advocating it know that they're outside the norms of morality.
I saw some guidance in Ontario from, I think it was the College of Physicians and Surgeons.
It was a proposal that doctors who commit medical assistance in dying, that they list on the death certificate not that they killed the person, but that the underlying condition that was causing the person distress be blamed for the death.
So they're clearly alert to the fact that 10,000 killings a year by a profession whose ancient motto is do no harm.
Yeah, that actually is in my column as well.
The fact that the death certificate reads whatever, diabetes or heart disease or whatever, instead of they died from the drugs that were administered to them.
So yeah, I think it's evidence of a guilty mind, evidence of a guilty mind for sure.
If something that this government seems very proud of themselves for being so liberal, so progressive, why obfuscate?
Why deflect in the death certificate?
Why not just say if there's nothing wrong with it?
You know, Pope John Paul II, and I think all of Catholic faith, but that Pope in particular, they talked about the culture of life and fighting for the culture of life.
There really is a culture of death.
You know, I know that, and I'm not talking about the abortion battle in particular, but the pro-choice size always says we're pro-choice, we're not pro-abortion.
We're not actually advocating for the killing.
We're just advocating for the right for the woman to make the decision.
That's the language of pro-choice.
But I think that creeping into these progressive movements, they actually are pro-death, at least on this M-A-I-D side of things.
I think they're constantly looking to expand the list of reasons why someone should kick the bucket.
Now it's not just terminal illness for which there's no reprieve.
Now it's, I'm depressed.
Now it's just, I'm poor.
Now it's, as our military says, oh, you have PTSD.
Well, I don't know if you're going to get any better, but how about just exit?
And by the way, you're going to save us all money.
The grossest thing was a few months back when that women's fashion store, Simons, ran a cryptic ad for euthanasia, never coming out and saying what it was for.
Here's just a flashback to that really creepy ad.
I think they've taken it down now.
But imagine how many people agreed with that, participated in that.
That would have gone all the way up to the CEO who, in fact, boasted about it.
Here's that creepy euthanasia ad.
Buy a clothing fashion retailer.
Take a look.
Blaspras are sacred.
When I imagine my final days, I see bubbles.
I see the ocean.
I see music.
Even now, as I seek help to end my life, there is still so much beauty.
You just have to be brave enough to see it.
I think there really is a culture of death.
I...
You know, people can mock it, but throughout the millennia, they really did throw virgins into the volcano.
They really did sacrifice people.
I mean, if you know anything about pre-Columbus Central America, they sacrificed people by the thousand, to the gods, to whatever.
Like human sacrifice, child sacrifice, these have been diabolical elements of civilization since before time was, before history was recorded.
And I think there's something in our society that is reconnecting with that, I don't know if pagan is the word, but that death cult.
Like that, there is something.
And it's not just about money, Barbara.
In your article, you mentioned that there were studies that this would save taxpayers tens of millions of dollars.
That's a trifle in the tens of billions we spend.
It can't just be about money.
There are people who love death.
I mean, the Jews have a saying, lechayim.
That means to life.
A lot of Jews, if they wear a necklace, it says the Hebrew word for life, which is chai, lechaim.
The Pope talks about life.
I mean, there's the forces of light and life.
And then there's people who prefer, I think they actually prefer death or dying.
I think so.
It can't just be explained by dollars and cents, Barbara.
What do you think?
I honestly do think that a lot of it is, I think, yeah, I think some of the people, the activists, you know, this death with dignity and all these organizations that that's all they think about is how to make it easier to, yes, I agree that some of the activists are definitely there.
For the government, I think it's a lot of it is about their unwillingness to put more money into palliative care, which is still unavailable to, I would say, the greater proportion of people that cannot access palliative care.
I think it's only for cancer, cancer patients in bigger centers.
That's wrong.
Everybody should have access to palliative care, and everybody who is disabled should have access to adequate services in their own home if possible.
They should not be warehoused.
They should not be warehoused in these horrible conditions that you often discover when you start to do a little digging behind the scenes.
So they don't want to spend more money on that.
The more they can encourage people, and then you've co-opted this word dignity.
In other words, if you're not in full physical capacity, if you don't have full control over your body or if your mind isn't quite, that you no longer have human dignity.
And this idea that there's only human dignity when you are physically independent or physically and mentally independent, this is basically telling disabled people or mentally ill people, it's too bad you don't have human dignity, but there is something you can do about that.
That's the subtle message behind this, and this constant talking about dignity, dignity, as if dignity weren't inherent in the human estate, no matter how, whether you're abled or disabled or blind or not blind.
This is a very insidious kind of messaging that comes out of this movement.
So I agree with you in principle.
And by the way, I'd like to add that I'm not against people, adult people, having the right to kill themselves or to have assisted suicide.
I just don't want the government doing it.
I don't want the Medicare system doing it.
I don't want doctors doing it.
There's ways to, this should be a separate activity that is privatized and paid for by insurance.
It should have nothing to do with the healthcare system at all because it's not health care.
It's not palliative care.
So this feels related in some ways to the pandemic and the lockdowns and the mandatory medical procedures where doctors are doing things that we learned in the Nuremberg trials doctors should not be doing.
Doctors must be on the side of life, not death.
And, you know, I was thinking about in ancient times how they really did sacrifice children, sacrifice virgins.
Like these, these ideas didn't come from nowhere.
They actually were how things were.
And when the Ten Commandments was brought down, it was limiting things like thou shalt not kill or thou shalt not murder is probably a more accurate translation.
That was a novelty.
That was an innovation designed to check the wild animal-like state of man.
What's the fifth commandment?
Honor your mother and father.
I think that's related.
Don't off them when they're inconvenient and are costly.
Don't kill them.
So these very basic ancient rules that govern people, there's just ten rules.
And number one, you know, thou shalt not kill.
That's not number one.
It's a little further down.
And number five, honor your mother and father.
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We forget those at our peril.
And there was another group of laws that the Jews called the Noahide laws, which are laws that don't just apply to the Jews, they apply to all mankind.
Let me throw one of them at you.
It's a weird one.
You're not allowed to eat an animal that's alive.
And that's, well, of course not.
Well, why?
Why?
Because it doesn't taste like it.
No, because there's a deep morality to it.
There's a deep morality.
I think I know why.
I think I know why.
And that's because there was a custom.
I don't know if it's still extant, but there was a custom for Bedouins who had no refrigeration to cut a limb off living animals in order to eat that limb.
And then the animal would still be alive.
And eventually it would be killed.
But I think that this was about kind, you know, not having cruelty towards animals.
Well, that's my point.
Why would you care about cruelty?
Why would you care about a limbless animal?
Well, because we're better than that, because we have a spark of God in us, and we care about even a dumb animal, a dumb ox.
We care about that.
The fact that they are in pain, that matters to us, to our character.
And surely if you treat an animal with some basic respect, maybe you'll treat a human with as much respect.
The reason I'm talking about the Ten Commandments and the Noahide laws, and I'm sorry to do it to you, but I'm going to quote part of a poem by Rudyard Kipling called The Gods of the Copybook Headings because I'm not particularly religious.
I mean, there's different religious customs.
There's Judaism, there's Christianity, there's Islam.
But if we throw out everything, we go, why did these religions and these customs and these codes of morality and then that move from religious texts into general secular philosophy?
Why?
Why did we do that?
Because if we don't do that, terrible things happen.
Terrible things happen when we say, kill him, kill him.
You can live, you can die.
Can I read a little bit?
This is a poem from Rudyard Kipling called Gods of the Copybook Headings.
And if you don't know what a copybook heading was, when kids used to learn how to write, they would practice copying something that was written at the top of the page.
It was a copybook, and they would write it almost like writing lines.
They would write, and what would they write?
They would be little aphorisms, little sayings, little proverbs.
So while they were doing the rote, learning how to write, they would also have this proverb drummed into their head.
Let me just read.
Give me a minute.
I know I'm so far afield here.
But when we're talking about things like, oh yeah, death is no longer, not just death, but killing people.
It's no longer taboo.
Let me just read a little bit.
It's from Kipling, Gods of the Copybook Headings.
As I pass through my incarnations in every age and race, I make my proper prostrations to the gods of the marketplace.
Peering through reverent fingers, I watch them flourish and fall.
And the gods of the copybook headings, I notice, outlast them all.
We were living in trees when they met us.
They showed us each in turn that water would certainly wet us as fire would certainly burn.
But we found them lacking in uplift, vision, and breadth of mind.
So we left them to teach the gorillas while we followed the march of mankind.
We moved as the spirit listed.
They never altered their pace, being neither cloud nor windborne like the gods of the marketplace.
But they always caught up with our progress, and presently word would come that a tribe had been wiped off its ice field or the lights had gone out in Rome.
I'm halfway done, Barbara.
With the hopes that our world is built on, they were utterly out of touch.
They denied that the moon was Stilton.
They denied she was even Dutch.
They denied that wishes were horses.
They denied that a pig had wings.
So we worshiped the gods of the market who promised these beautiful things.
When the Cambrian measures were forming, they promised perpetual peace.
They swore if we gave them our weapons, that wars of the tribes would cease.
But when we disarmed, they sold us and delivered us bound to our foe.
And the gods of the copybook heading said, stick to the devil, you know.
On the first Feminian sandstones, we were promised the fuller life, which started by loving our neighbor and ended by loving his wife.
Till our women had no more children and the men lost reason and faith, and the gods of the copybook heading said, the wages of sin are death.
I won't read the whole thing.
I recommend it.
It's basically Kipling 100 years ago saying, you can give up the old morality.
And that's not even Christianity.
He's not referring to the Decalogue.
He's not referring to the Noah's laws.
He's not referring to the Bible or the Jewish Torah or the Muslim Quran.
He's calling them the gods of the copybook headings, basic things that we know are true.
And when you are sacrificing children, when you're killing the weak, when you're killing people who are merely unhappy, when you're killing people who are inconvenient, you are toying with, I think, things that we put away 5,000 years ago, 10,000 years ago.
And we are inviting an era of evil and despair and darkness that took us thousands of years to put away.
That's what I think when I read your article about killing 10,000 people a year and making like it's normal.
Back to you, Barbara.
Thanks for letting me read part of that poem.
No, no, I get it, and I'm impressed by your passion on the subject, and I really do agree that there is something that is pretty creepy when you allow this death as normal.
When you allow euthanasia to become normal in a society, you're making a statement about the sanctity of life, that it really isn't.
It's only sacred if it appeals to a certain band of people who identify life worth living as life that gives pleasure and satisfaction and that you are totally in control of.
There's something very creepy about that kind of a society because it puts a target on the back of the weak, the vulnerable, the very poor, the very old.
You know, when you know that your society is basically has become a society that would prefer that you were dead, I think that's a terrible message to send to people like the person at the heart of my article,
Roger Foley, who is disabled, but whose mind is sharp as a tack and who has, to me, as much dignity as anybody else, just because he needs assistance for his physical needs does not make him less dignified and should not make anybody less dignified in the eyes of their fellow citizens.
Yeah.
Well, Barbara, this is heavy stuff.
And as I started, I'll end, which is that you're not allowed to talk about these things in most places.
And you talk about it all the time in the Epoch Times and the National Post.
We're very grateful to you.
We're glad that you come and join us and that you have to suffer through me reading old poems.
No, no, not at all.
I really think that I like Kipling.
I love Kipling.
Oh, yeah.
Well, I mean, if he were alive today, he would be raging at the world.
He was raging at the world 100 years ago before most of the terrible things even happened in the last century.
Great to see you again, my friend.
You take care.
Thanks, Ezra.
Thanks for having me on.
Oh, what a pleasure.
There you have it, Barbara Kay.
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Thanks, Ezra and Dr. Malone.
Talking about my interview with Dr. Malone, I thought that was a very interesting interview.
And hopefully, you could pick it up despite the fact that there were some problems with his Skylink.
Spielman says, imagine the son of a known eugenicist having such global control over everything and believing he's not malevolent.
How stupid can you be, people?
I'm worried about Bill Gates.
He has more power now than ever.
He's more wealth now than ever.
He has spent hundreds of millions of dollars buying peace in the media.
Occasionally, once in a while, a journalist asks him a prickly question, but it's very rare.
He is treated as polite company.
What he did with Jeffrey Epstein was enough for his own wife to divorce him.
And that's just what we know about.
And yet that man is the moral leader in the world and everything from vaccines and pandemics and lockdowns and climate.
What did we do to deserve that Dr. Evil character?
Well, that's our show for today.
I hope you don't mind me getting a little emotional and reading that poem to Barbara Kay.
find Kipling has a poem for so many crises.
He lived over 100 years ago.
In fact, I had the good fortune to pick up a couple of first edition books.
He wrote so many great short stories and poems.
I was just telling a colleague here, the Jungle Book, one of the most beloved books for kids, was written by Roger Kipling.
Obviously, wonderful poems like If, Gunga Din, incredible poem, short stories, and very politically incorrect poems about empire as well.
But I think that poem, I mean, if is one of, I'd say one of his most famous poems.
You know, every Remembrance Day, I read his poem, Tommy Atkins, about the treatment of British veterans.
But today's poem, Gods of the Copybook Headings, is just terrifying.
Just terrifying.
And I point out that it wasn't explicitly Christian.
He was just talking about, you know, the wages of sin is death.
And if you, he, I think, was a man of the empire and a man of history and culture and order.
And he saw the way the world was going and he was appalled by it.
On that ambiguous note, let me say thank you to you for your support.